A question for Billiefan2000

[Roadtoad]

I have to ask you this in all seriousness:

Do you actually accept Christ as your Lord and Savior? In all honesty, I don't believe you do.

You do these hit and run posts, you post bilge that you've gleaned from other sites, and then you don't even bother to stick around and answer questions when people demand to know what it is you're talking about. You tell me: is this behavior Christ-like?

I'm going to suggest a book to you, and I'd like to see what you do with this: The Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis. It's been years since I read it, but I'm going to take it on again in the next few weeks. Personally, I don't think you have the courage to crack the cover, but we'll see. Frankly, I've had enough of this game your playing, and I'd like to see it brought to an end.

[Yahweh]

BillieFan2000

[billiefan2000]

The Signs of the Times for one.


We have wars and rumors of wars,and immoral behavior becoming worse and plagues we have never had before.


Israel being a Nation (which is a Key End Times Prophecy)

also because I did research and did my own soul searching into seeing if Jesus was he said he was.


http://christjesus.us/greenleaf.html

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
We have wars and rumors of wars
Oh, we never had that before

Originally posted by billiefan2000
and immoral behavior becoming worse
Immoral behaviour lies pretty much in the eye of the beholder.

I think it becomes better and better!!

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Israel being a Nation (which is a Key End Times Prophecy)

What has Israel got to do with it?

[billiefan2000]

Good Question.

first you may wanna check out:

http://www.israelinprophecy.org/


and second:

Does the Bible Teach a Second National Return of Israel?

Isaiah 11:11

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt. . . and from the islands of the sea.




What Happens after the Second Return of the Jewish People?

Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,

Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13

Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8

Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11

False christs will increase Matthew 24:24

False prophets will increase Matthew 24:24

False signs and wonders increase Matthew 24:24



With the Jewish People back in their land after 2000 years, what next?

Demon worship increases 1 Timothy. 4:1

Sorcery with drug abuse increases Revelation 9:21 (Gk= "pharmakeia" translated means: "a spell-giving drug, magic, witchcraft, sorcery")

Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3





I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS EMSWORTH and from anyone else here as well.

[Finella]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
The Signs of the Times for one.


We have wars and rumors of wars,and immoral behavior becoming worse and plagues we have never had before.


Israel being a Nation (which is a Key End Times Prophecy)

also because I did research and did my own soul searching into seeing if Jesus was he said he was.


http://christjesus.us/greenleaf.html

But what about _you_, Billiefan? Your own soul searching based on what others say isn't about you, it's about your trust in others. What is your personal experience with Jesus?

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[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
We have wars and rumors of wars,and immoral behavior becoming worse and plagues we have never had before.As Lord Emsworth pointed out, there have been wars and rumors of wars pretty constantly since before Jesus was born. Really since before man was man. It's applicable to any time period. Ever.

So is immoral behavior. There is not a period in history that did not have immoral behavior. Especially if you go looking for it.

Billie, you don't know from plagues. Ever hear of the Black Death? Killed a third of Brition's population. The stuff we have now is tame and more or less under control in comparisson to what our ancestors went through.

[billiefan2000]

Did you read the part:

and second:

Does the Bible Teach a Second National Return of Israel?

Isaiah 11:11

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt. . . and from the islands of the sea.




What Happens after the Second Return of the Jewish People?

Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,

Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13

Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8

Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11

False christs will increase Matthew 24:24

False prophets will increase Matthew 24:24

False signs and wonders increase Matthew 24:24



With the Jewish People back in their land after 2000 years, what next?

Demon worship increases 1 Timothy. 4:1

Sorcery with drug abuse increases Revelation 9:21 (Gk= "pharmakeia" translated means: "a spell-giving drug, magic, witchcraft, sorcery")

Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3

[justsaygnosis]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth

Oh, we never had that before




LOL!!!
Isn't peace and civility the exception historically?
Especially so in the Middle East.

[Gregor]

Billifan
Ever heard of the Millerites?

Check 'em out

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,

Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13

Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8

Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11



1. Have earthquakes increased? And how do you know this?

2. IMO the number of wars and the relative deaths in these wars has decreased.

3. Again, this hasn't happened. All right, there might be a higher absolute number of people who suffer from hunger but the percentage has gone back.

4. Does the Black death count as a plague? If yes, É(go figure)


Originally posted by billiefan2000
Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3



1. What's wrong with a little disobedience? I love being disobedient, because I think blind obedience is the root of all evil.

2. Oh, and there is definetly nothing wrong with self-esteem! Why hate yourself.
If you are to love your neighbor as yourself, how does that work without selfesteem.


I've left out a few, though, but that means only that I don't have an opinion at the moment.

[justsaygnosis]

Originally posted by billiefan2000




What Happens after the Second Return of the Jewish People?

Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,

Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13

Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8

Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11

False christs will increase Matthew 24:24

False prophets will increase Matthew 24:24

False signs and wonders increase Matthew 24:24



With the Jewish People back in their land after 2000 years, what next?

Demon worship increases 1 Timothy. 4:1

Sorcery with drug abuse increases Revelation 9:21 (Gk= "pharmakeia" translated means: "a spell-giving drug, magic, witchcraft, sorcery")

Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3

Are there more of any of the aforementioned or is it we are more acutely aware of all these things due to the media and modern communications?
One part in particular I've got to go after is famine.
Famines are almost exclusively a political contrivance now.
We live in a world where food can be mass produced and mass transported.
I don't know how old you are but anyone near 50 distinctly remembers having seasonal foodstuffs SEASONALLY and not in the off seasons.
Due to air freight we eat foods from all over the globe now.
Your paranoia is blinding you to what's in front of you.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Did you read the part:Did you read what I said?
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt. . . and from the islands of the sea.What I've always wondered about people who point toward Iseral as a sign is wether they think it's exists because God made it exist or because people, wishing to force the prophesy to be true, made it exist. One would make the prophesy true, the other would make it a self-fullfilling prophesy with no more legitimacy than what the people give it.
What Happens after the Second Return of the Jewish People?

Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,
Has it?
Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13Quite the opposite has occured.
Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8Again, the opposite, thanks to genetically engineered produce.
Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11As I mentioned previously, this simply isn't the case.
False christs will increase Matthew 24:24
Got me. Who do you know is proclaiming to be Christ?
False prophets will increase Matthew 24:24This one I might grant you, simply because there are more people in the world and more mass media coverage.
False signs and wonders increase Matthew 24:24Hmm... False signs, eh? How do you know Isreal isn't a false sign? Interesting paradox.
With the Jewish People back in their land after 2000 years, what next?

Demon worship increases 1 Timothy. 4:1If anything, in a more secular society, I'd say there's less.
Sorcery with drug abuse increases Revelation 9:21 (Gk= "pharmakeia" translated means: "a spell-giving drug, magic, witchcraft, sorcery") uh... Revelation 9:21 reads, "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." Even if something is lost in the interpretation, it says nothing about increases.
Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5What on Earth makes you think there is more of this going on now then ever throughout history?
Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3 Yes. That would mean the end of the world. :rolleyes:

[St_Hereticus]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
The Signs of the Times for one.

Israel being a Nation (which is a Key End Times Prophecy)
Well, billiefan, it's pretty easy to fulfill prophecy when opposites are predicted, huh?

The virgin of Israel is fallen; she shall no more rise: she is foresaken upon her land; there is none to raise her up.
Amos 5:2 (KJV)

How does this square with the supposed "prophecy" of Israel once again becoming a nation?

[Roadtoad]

Nice dodge on my original question, Billiefan. Let me ask you once more: Is your behavior Christ-like? Are these hit and run posts you make appropriate to and in the spirit of Christ Jesus?

Yes, we know. You're convinced, in short order, that first shall rise the dead in Christ, and then we will in turn follow. Problem is, that only works IF YOU'RE A BELIEVER!

So, I put it to you: If I had to guess if you were a believer by your behavior, could I say that you were?

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by billiefan2000


What Happens after the Second Return of the Jewish People?

Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,

Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13

Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8

Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11

False christs will increase Matthew 24:24

False prophets will increase Matthew 24:24

False signs and wonders increase Matthew 24:24

Demon worship increases 1 Timothy. 4:1

Sorcery with drug abuse increases Revelation 9:21

Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3

Well, it is finally clear to me that Billie is an IDIOT who cannot (or will not) think for himself.

Billie, what will you do if you are ever unplugged from the the Matrix...err BUYBULL??

Barkhorn.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
You do these hit and run posts, you post bilge that you've gleaned from other sites, and then you don't even bother to stick around and answer questions when people demand to know what it is you're talking about. You tell me: is this behavior Christ-like?
Hmm... breezes in... spouts bilge gleaned from other sources... doesn't stick around to answer questions, leaving people demanding to know what he's talking about...

Yes, this might indeed strike some people as Christ-like behavior.

Just kidding!

Bravo for the reading suggestion.

[ntech]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Good Question.

first you may wanna check out:

http://www.israelinprophecy.org/


and second:

Does the Bible Teach a Second National Return of Israel?

Isaiah 11:11

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt. . . and from the islands of the sea.




What Happens after the Second Return of the Jewish People?

Earthquakes will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21,

Wars will increase Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13

Famines will increase Matthew 24, Revelation 6:5-8

Plagues will increase Revelation 6:8, Luke 21:11

False christs will increase Matthew 24:24

False prophets will increase Matthew 24:24

False signs and wonders increase Matthew 24:24



With the Jewish People back in their land after 2000 years, what next?

Demon worship increases 1 Timothy. 4:1

Sorcery with drug abuse increases Revelation 9:21 (Gk= "pharmakeia" translated means: "a spell-giving drug, magic, witchcraft, sorcery")

Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Self-esteem increases 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 3:3





I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS EMSWORTH and from anyone else here as well.


:eek:

[jj]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth


1. Have earthquakes increased? And how do you know this?

www.usgs.gov Click on "earthquakes". Looks like it's been constant since they've started gathering data, myself. Oooops, Billie, ooops, you're WRONG!

2. IMO the number of wars and the relative deaths in these wars has decreased.

The percentage of the total population is less, yes.

3. Again, this hasn't happened. All right, there might be a higher absolute number of people who suffer from hunger but the percentage has gone back.

Yeah. Perhaps we should start a thread on innumeracy among end-time fanatics.

4. Does the Black death count as a plague? If yes, É(go figure)

Exactly my thoughts. Cholera epidemics, Black Death, Smallpox, everything we have now is trivial in comparison.
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[Tricky]

About the only one of Billiefan's "signs" that appears to be true, is that false prophets do indeed seem to be on the increase, with Billiefan himself being an excellent example of this increase.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by Tricky
About the only one of Billiefan's "signs" that appears to be true, is that false prophets do indeed seem to be on the increase, with Billiefan himself being an excellent example of this increase.

Touche...

[SteveW]

Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5


Didn't Plato complain about the same thing. I guess he was wrong back then and good old Jesus gets it right.

[justsaygnosis]

I was going to jump at another of billie's rapture posts but I elected to speak here.
He obviously can't hang in in a firefight as well as some of the more infamous trolls of this forum so 'hit and run' is about all he can do to satisfy his evangelical missionary duties.
Respond or ignore is about all the real choices there are.

[scribble]

I just have to ask after reading this...

Is billiefan the same person as PAUL BETHKE? I've been away for a while, so if this is common knowledge, I still get credit for figuring it out myself.

[evildave]

An impertinent article.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Graham

[Finella]

Roadtoad --

I finally read some of Billie's posts. I think you've hit the nail on the head, here...

But, of course, it's not for us to judge... his fruit will show itself for what it is, I guess.:rolleyes:

Billie, can you get back to the original question in this thread? Do you actually accept Christ as your Lord and Savior? Hmmmmm?

[billiefan2000]

I have said many times already:

JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR OF MY LIFE and of my SOUL

[Finella]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I have said many times already:

JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR OF MY LIFE and of my SOUL

Saying it doesn't make it so, necessarily. Explain how your behavior here indicates that this is so.

[ntech]

Cheese and Rice is my lord and savior of my life and of my soul

[Yahzi]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Ever hear of the Black Death? Killed a third of Brition's population.
Ahem. Killed a third of Europe.

AIDs isn't even close to killing a third of Africa. SARs was a joke - more people probably died in auto accidents trying to get away from SARs infested cities than SARS actually killed.

No, we haven't had a real old-timey plague in ages. For which I am exceptionally grateful. I'm not sure which would be worse if we did - the massive fatalities, or the increased yapping of the end-timers.

[MartinGibbs]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I have said many times already:

JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR OF MY LIFE and of my SOUL

Just got off the phone with ol' JC. He says he's confused as to why you make that claim--he just thought it was a kind of drunken, experimental, "don't tell anyone if I don't", kind of thing and he's sorry.

Now get back to your regularly scheduled life.

[Gregor]

Which is worse?
I guess it depends on whether you were one of the fatalities or you were left to hear Billie flapping his pie-hole about "the end is near."

[MartinGibbs]

I'm also concerned as to what really happens after Rapture.

I would like to think all of the free-thinking, doubting, nice, kind, caring, selfless, good-hearted, down-to-earth, [insert cliche here] people would be "taken up" and all the self-serving, greedy, arrogant, judgemental, vindictive folks would remain.

Then half of Christianity would be stuck in traffic, if you know what I mean.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by SteveW
Children’s disobedience to parents increases 2 Timothy 3:1-5


Didn't Plato complain about the same thing. I guess he was wrong back then and good old Jesus gets it right.

Is there anything Jesus covered that Plato didn't?

[evildave]

I don't think Plato had any acolytes that ranted about "worship me" in books written 300 years after his death.

[ntech]

Originally posted by evildave
I don't think Plato had any acolytes that ranted about "worship me" in books written 300 years after his death.

lol:roll:

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by MartinGibbs
I'm also concerned as to what really happens after Rapture.

I would like to think all of the free-thinking, doubting, nice, kind, caring, selfless, good-hearted, down-to-earth, [insert cliche here] people would be "taken up" and all the self-serving, greedy, arrogant, judgemental, vindictive folks would remain.

Then half of Christianity would be stuck in traffic, if you know what I mean.

Amen...:D

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by c4ts


Is there anything Jesus covered that Plato didn't?

and is there anything that Paul of Tarsus covered that Aristotle or Socrates did not?

Speculation is that Paul had a Greek Tutor when he grew up in Tarsus, a Greek colony I believe.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by evildave
I don't think Plato had any acolytes that ranted about "worship me" in books written 300 years after his death.

Try reading the Symposium.

Wait, that was about Socrates while he was alive.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe


and is there anything that Paul of Tarsus covered that Aristotle or Socrates did not?

Speculation is that Paul had a Greek Tutor when he grew up in Tarsus, a Greek colony I believe.

I think Paul was a full blown Mithra follower in Tarsus. He had an epiphany and created Mithra/Jesus for the Jews (same story). It began as Gnosticism, and eventually deteriorated into Christianity.

[LeFevre]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Nice dodge on my original question, Billiefan. Let me ask you once more: Is your behavior Christ-like? Are these hit and run posts you make appropriate to and in the spirit of Christ Jesus?


are you out there billie?

[MartinGibbs]

Billie did NOT listen to Phil Collins and DID lose your number...

bummer