This place is overflowing with kooks.

[~enigma~]

That was northern vigilance pardalis.
It was Vigilant Guardian...did you get your info with a piece of chewing gum in the same package?

[~enigma~]

And at what time did Vigilant Guardian begin for NEADS on 9/11?



SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:dl:

[Morphology]

We have been waiting for more than twenty years to catch the murderers of the "Bende van Nijvel".

Call me Sherlock.

Breach of Rule 4 removed.

[Gravy]

Did somebody say this place was overflowing with kooks?

[Morphology]

Good comeback! :p

[Gravy]

Good comeback! :pRather than spamming the forum with random paranoid drivel, please provide links to the random paranoid drivel with a brief description of why you think we should read the random paranoid drivel. That way the kookiness won't overflow and spill into the forums where sanity predominates. 'Kay?

[Morphology]

Rather than spamming the forum with random paranoid drivel, please provide links to the random paranoid drivel with a brief description of why you think we should read the random paranoid drivel."

Sure thing chum. A previous poster expressed bewilderment over the Brabant massacres in Belgium. I posted an exerpt from Daniel Genser's book on Operation Gladio, specifically, the chapter dealing with the brabant massacres. Unnerstand? Good.

[Morphology]

On a related note...

Timothy McVeigh New Video Debunks OKC Bombing Official Story
WPvideo 1.0
Unseen McVeigh Video Proves He Was Still in Army in '93

Download this video!

This video shows alleged Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh at a U.S. military base specializing in explosives and demolition training at least a year after he supposedly departed ways with the army which puts the story we’re told of the April 19 1995 federal building bombing to doubt.

This video was released by Bill Bean, a film producer who has allegedly suffered intense surveillance and harassment since recording the footage.

Bill Bean was given a tour of the Camp Grafton military facility on Aug. 3 1993 in North Dakota as part of a research effort to scout possible filming locations for a video he was working on. Bill was permitted to film every location he visited by camp superintendent Col. Dahl.

The individual now positively identified as Timothy McVeigh, who according to the time line purported by the FBI, was honorably discharged for the last time on May 1992, yet is seen here on August 1993

Bean presented the video to Prof. Blomgren of the University of Utah for forensics analysis. The results showed an 86% match for voice characteristics heard in the video compared to his voice taken from 60 Minutes interview.

A Ryder truck just like the one used in the OKC bombing was captured on video by a pilot performing an overflight of the area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma. A Washington Post article on June 17, 1997 authenticates the photos authentic; in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs.

Video:
WPvideo 1.0
Ryder Truck on Military Base

Download this video!

McVeigh claimed in a 1993 letter to his sister that he was approached by military intelligence and had joined an “elite squad of government paid assassins.”

The FBI cannot explain the gap in the McVeigh timeliine for August 1993.

The FBI stated that McVeigh scouted the Alfred P. Murrah building weeks before the bombing but on the day of the OKC bombing; he stopped at a local gas station to ask directions.

Sweet dreams kids :cool:

[Firestone]

We have been waiting for more than twenty years to catch the murderers of the "Bende van Nijvel".

Call me Sherlock.

THE SECRET WAR IN BELGIUM

...
It's a little early to call you Sherlock.
All you do is quote some known theories (at least known to everyone in Belgium), for which the real evidence is very weak.
You have gossip, statements by unreliable persons and wild associations.

Standard CT-stuff.

[Gravy]

Rather than spamming the forum with random paranoid drivel, please provide links to the random paranoid drivel with a brief description of why you think we should read the random paranoid drivel."

Sure thing chum. A previous poster expressed bewilderment over the Brabant massacres in Belgium. I posted an exerpt from Daniel Genser's book on Operation Gladio, specifically, the chapter dealing with the brabant massacres. Unnerstand? Good.Um, but then you posted random paranoid drivel with your very next post, while ignoring the fact that there's an active thread about that subject.

That's a bit kooky.

[The Doc]

You twoofers have a knack for changing the subject in rapid succession when you're loosing don't you?

[Morphology]

random paranoid drivel

Not random kid. Hence: "on a related note". We're dealing with the so-called "strategy of tension." Here's a clue:

“This "strategy of tension," organized around a brutal campaign of terror and murder, resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people during the decades of the 1970s and '80s. The wave of terror led to the severe restriction of civil rights, with the 1975 law restricting popular campaigning and radical political discussion. Many people were locked up under "anti-terrorist" legislation (sound familiar?) or expelled from the country.”

“Gladio was "officially disbanded" by the Italian government
in December 1990 after the story broke. On January 29th, 1992 it
was officially declared to have been a clandestine and illegal
"armed band" involved in subversion, by an Italian parliamentary
commission on terrorism.”

'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

This was the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West -- against their own populations. Hundreds of innocent people were killed or maimed in terrorist attacks -- on train stations, supermarkets, cafes and offices -- which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other political opponents. The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and frighten the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders -- and their elitist cronies."

That's a bit kooky.

It is was it is, kid. But hey, I'm not the one setting off bombs and blaming other people. ;)

[The Doc]

Morphology,

Why are you calling Gravy "kid"? Are you THAT ignorant? Come on dude, bring some bullets if you're coming to a gun fight.

[Morphology]

when you're loosing don't you?

Hahaha. Funny guy. :jaw-dropp

[Morphology]

Why are you calling Gravy "kid"?

I calls it as I see it, young lady.

[The Doc]

when you're loosing don't you?

Hahaha. Funny guy. :jaw-dropp

Look, I used the quote button. You should learn it yourself.

You haven't established a valid link between your arguments. [Rule 8] or get off the pot.

I calls it as I see it, young lady.

Really mature. So who's the kid? Tell me, honestly... how old are you? That's not a personal stab, I am actually interested in knowing.

[Morphology]

You haven't established a valid link between your arguments.

Speak engrish?

I'll spell it out: bad people set off bombs, bad people blame their political enemies. Half-wits swallow obvious frame-up. Popuation terrorized. Population turns to state and begs protection. State runs amok.

Crystal? Al-righty then.

[Gravy]

random paranoid drivel

Not random kid.Operation Gladio

The "Secret War" in Belgium

Timothy McVeigh in the US Army in 1993


Random, paranoid, and drivel.

[Morphology]

Random, paranoid, and drivel.

Repeat: strategy of tension. Buy a thesaurus or something. Stimulate your so-called mind.

[The Doc]

You haven't established a valid link between your arguments.

Speak engrish?


You're kidding right?

[The Doc]

Random:
1.proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

Paranoid:
–adjective 1.of, like, or suffering from paranoia.

Drivel:
2.childish, silly, or meaningless talk or thinking; nonsense; twaddle. –verb (used without object)

I'm sorry if I misinterperated you, but you said those 3 words are the same?

[Firestone]

You haven't established a valid link between your arguments.

Speak engrish?

I'll spell it out: bad people set off bombs, bad people blame their political enemies. Half-wits swallow obvious frame-up. Popuation terrorized. Population turns to state and begs protection. State runs amok.

Crystal? Al-righty then.So, in the case of the Bende van Nijvel, what "political enemies" were blamed by whom, and how did the Belgian state run amok as a consequence of the 28 murders commited by the Bende? :confused:

(Sorry guys if this is off-topic.)

[Morphology]

Random:
1.proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

im·be·cile

1 usually offensive : a person affected with moderate mental retardation

Paranoid:
–adjective 1.of, like, or suffering from paranoia.

sa·ga·cious

keen in sense perception

Drivel:
2.childish, silly, or meaningless talk or thinking; nonsense; twaddle. –verb (used without object)

eva·sion

1 : a means of evading : DODGE

[PerryLogan]

Bad people set off bombs, bad people blame their political enemies. Half-wits swallow obvious frame-up. Popuation terrorized. Population turns to state and begs protection. State runs amok.

People vote government out by overwhelming margin. Game over.

[The Doc]

Morphology...

Clearly, you have lost your fingertip grip on reality and have descended into an abyss of irreversible lunacy. If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension.

Use the quote tool. Without it your posts are indistinguishable and I fail to see the point you made with your last one.

[Morphology]

People vote government out by overwhelming margin. Game over.

Did you vote for the CIA? How many out there think this country is a Democracy? Or is it more of a one party state masquerading as a two party state? The Democrats are on the inside what the Republicans are on the outside. Each having almost identical financial backers. . . Did you vote for the Pentagon? (NO!) Did you vote for Wall Street? (NO!) Did you vote for a nuclear arms race? (NO!) Did you vote for the CIA? (NO!) Ever try reading the Bill of rights to a cop? (No, LOL.) People didn't vote for star wars, people didn't vote for drug wars, no one voted for acid rain, no one voted for being homeless. Hardly anyone in this country votes at all anymore. Meanwhile people in places like China and South Africa are out their dying just for the right to vote. But in America, people take it for granted and they just pout and stay home, figuring their wishes aren't respected anyway
- jello biafra

In the hands of a people whose education has been willfully neglected, the ballot is a cunning swindle benefitting only the united barons of industry, trade and property. --Daniel Guérin

Our democracy is but a name. We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats, We choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
- Hellen Keller

[Morphology]

Clearly, you have lost your fingertip grip on reality

Whatever lets yous sleep at night, pal.

[The Doc]

Whatever lets yous sleep at night, pal.

Thanks Mr One Liner.

I see that you have made no effort to rephrase your previous post.

[Morphology]

Standard CT-stuff.

No, you're right. While the Gladio units in every other country were setting off bombs and assassinating promiment officials, the Belgium Gladio unit sat on its hands and decided to "take the decade off". Moreover, the fact that "Madani Bouhouche, who worked for state security and was a member of a neo-Nazi paramilitary group Westland New Post (WNP), was arrested with one of the murder weapons" is of little or no consequence. Finally, Jean Bultot's admission to Belgian journalist René Haquin that "the killings were a state security destabilization operation with government participation "at every level" was sensless, albeit self-incriminating, blather.

So, in the case of the Bende van Nijvel, what "political enemies" were blamed by whom, and how did the Belgian state run amok as a consequence of the 28 murders commited by the Bende?

Belgium is not a powerful state. Therefore the effects were not particularly dramatic, unless of course you’re a Belgian.

“The Supermarket massacres occurred during the period when the U.S. was pushing a plan to base the Euro-Missiles (nuclear-tipped Cruise missiles) in different European countries. The plan led to huge demonstrations in Europe, with certain countries threatening to break ranks with NATO. Belgium was one of those countries. The Belgian Parliament, which investigated the incidents, felt that they were another attempt to sow confusion and fear among the populace, thereby generating public outcries for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missles.”

Pretty basic stuff.

It is apparent to me that the individuals on this forum haven't the slightest clue of the way state intelligence agencies operate. You all need to visit your local library -- soon.

[OMGturt1es]

I notice that amongst these posts I encounter nary a single "debunker". Indeed, your pathetic ad hom parade confirms my previous contention: you got nuthin'! You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! Hahaha

you kinda have to make these things called "arguments" before others can debunk 'em, unless you believe in ESP...

it should be noted that relavent evidences you've alluded to thus far-- as i recall, without even posting source links!-- have been tracked down, and held to proper scrutiny, where they crumbled.

further insulting posts will result in nothing productive. you either are mistaken of how argument works, or you are just trolling so you can ***** with people. i am assuming you have some understanding of argument, so i suspect you are trolling. it seems apparent to me that you've no interest whatsoever in any sort of real argument.

[SezMe]

Morph, see that quote button at the bottom of this post and all othes? If you use it to respond to this, or any other post, it will show that you have at least a shred of competence. If not, buzz off

[Mobyseven]

Morphology:

Can you state your point as a series of propositions leading to a logical conclusion?

[Morphology]

you are just trolling so you can ***** with people.


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest. It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists. While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity. You simply haven't done your homework. You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state. Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory". It's a very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

[OMGturt1es]

Morphology:

Can you state your point as a series of propositions leading to a logical conclusion?

don't do it morph!! it's a trick!!! :o

[PerryLogan]

Many conspiracy nuts seem to be emotionally stuck at an adolescent level. That's why Morph sounds so much like a high-school kid. You get this constant sneering and braying, vaunting, false declarations of victory. It's like a football game.

[Firestone]

I'll spell it out: bad people set off bombs, bad people blame their political enemies. Half-wits swallow obvious frame-up. Popuation terrorized. Population turns to state and begs protection. State runs amok.
So, in the case of the Bende van Nijvel, what "political enemies" were blamed by whom, and how did the Belgian state run amok as a consequence of the 28 murders commited by the Bende? :confused:To this, you "answer" is:

Belgium is not a powerful state. Therefore the effects were not particularly dramatic, unless of course you’re a Belgian.

“The Supermarket massacres occurred during the period when the U.S. was pushing a plan to base the Euro-Missiles (nuclear-tipped Cruise missiles) in different European countries. The plan led to huge demonstrations in Europe, with certain countries threatening to break ranks with NATO. Belgium was one of those countries. The Belgian Parliament, which investigated the incidents, felt that they were another attempt to sow confusion and fear among the populace, thereby generating public outcries for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missles.”

Pretty basic stuff.
One thing is actually right here: Belgium is not a powerful state.

The rest is mainly baseless.

What where the dramatic effects for the Belgians because of the murders of the Bende (except the murders themselves of course)?

The murders had no political effect whatsoever. The same coalition was in place from before the start of the murders until after the stationing of 20 cruise missiles in Belgium. There was no "public outcry for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missiles".

No doubt you will now come up with a third theory about why "they" were behind the Bende van Nijvel. :rolleyes:

[Mercutio]

[/I]I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling.
Aw, too bad. I was kinda looking forward to your trying to defend killtown's list. I wanted to see Rushdie's connection that supports a conspiracy and rejects an act of terrorism.

At least you admit it is trolling; you don't have to make the pretense of supporting killtown. If you could, though, just for fun, I'd love to see the sort of mental gymnastics that one goes through in order to fit so many pieces together.

Freud 101. Ah... ok. If the rest of your list is as well-supported as Freud is, that explains a lot.

[OMGturt1es]

you are just trolling so you can ***** with people.


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.


a glance will provide a small sample from which to induce, providing less than accurate conclusions. the truth is that most folk here are simply tired of hearing the same **** over and over and over and over. a more exhaustive read of these forums should illustrate just how the current understanding of the events of 911 held by most posters here has slowly changed as new evidence has emerged.


I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will effect any of you in the slightest. It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists.


i have no emotional attatchments to the truth. i follow evidence as best i can. many folk here are the same way.

the fact of the matter is that the "911 conspiracy" claims are extraordinary. they require extraordinary evidence held to extraordinary scrutiny. if such evidence existed, i'd be a truther. perhaps such evidence does exist? all i know is that i've not seen such evidence.


While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity. You simply haven't done your homework.


that's an assumption you've made. you've no idea how much reading we have or have not done, other than gravy, who can cite any 911 document by memory.


You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state.


i don't know much about the operations of state. what little i do know is likely trumped by most folk here.


Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory".


i follow evidence.

if you have evidence that the government orchestrated the attacks on 911, please present it. don't simply allude to it, and dance around itl; just come out with it.


It's very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

on the contrary, it's more difficult for me to stick to the evidence, because i have an inherent bias to desire a nemesis. further, when i read the news, i find myself wanting to ascribe some real motives to the chaotic nature of our government and foreign relations.

ascribing to a set of intentions and orchestrations for which i've no real evidence, especially when all scientific evidence supports the official theory, would be the easy way out. i'd love to believe that i've plenty of money in my bank account, but all availabe evidence suggests otherwise. i can't take the easy way out, because i have no choice in what i believe.

but you seem to suggest that i do have a choice, which makes me wonder-- can you chose your conclusions?

[OMGturt1es]

you are just trolling so you can ***** with people.


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.


a glance will provide a small sample from which to induce, providing less than accurate conclusions. the truth is that most folk here are simply tired of hearing the same **** over and over and over and over. a more exhaustive read of these forums should illustrate just how the current understanding of the events of 911 held by most posters here has slowly changed as new evidence has emerged.


I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will effect any of you in the slightest. It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists.


i have no emotional attatchments to the truth. i follow evidence as best i can. many folk here are the same way.

the fact of the matter is that the "911 conspiracy" claims are extraordinary. they require extraordinary evidence held to extraordinary scrutiny. if such evidence existed, i'd be a truther. perhaps such evidence does exist? all i know is that i've not seen such evidence.


While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity. You simply haven't done your homework.


that's an assumption you've made. you've no idea how much reading we have or have not done, other than gravy, who can cite any 911 document by memory.


You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state.


i don't know much about the operations of state. what little i do know is likely trumped by most folk here.


Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory".


i follow evidence.

if you have evidence that the government orchestrated the attacks on 911, please present it. don't simply allude to it, and dance around itl; just come out with it.


It's very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

on the contrary, it's more difficult for me to stick to the evidence, because i have an inherent bias to desire a nemesis. further, when i read the news, i find myself wanting to ascribe some real motives to the chaotic nature of our government and foreign relations.

ascribing to a set of intentions and orchestrations for which i've no real evidence, especially when all scientific evidence supports the official theory, would be the easy way out. i'd love to believe that i've plenty of money in my bank account, but all availabe evidence suggests otherwise. i can't take the easy way out, because i have no choice in what i believe.

but you seem to suggest that i do have a choice, which makes me wonder-- can you chose your conclusions?

[Morphology]

There was no "public outcry for a law-and-order government

Re-read the post.

attempt to sow confusion and fear among the populace, thereby generating public outcries for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missles.”
Whether such an outcry actually occurred is irrelevant.

The murders had no political effect whatsoever. The same coalition was in place from before the start of the murders until after the stationing of 20 cruise missiles in Belgium.

But you got your missiles, didn't ja?

I find it fascinating that you made no attempt to actually argue the evidence of the case, including the fact that one of the Belgium Gladio participants actually confessed to the crime. Pretty astonishing wilful ignorance at play here.

Either way, Gladio in general is not controversial. It's all on the public record: intelligence agencies set up terrorist cells throughout Western Europe. These cells set off hundreds of bombs. They called it "the strategy of tension". The goal was to discredit the left and elect right-wing governments.
To anyone with a semi-functioning brain and the courage to look at the evidence, it is abundantly clear that a similar strategy is occurring as speak. It's called "Al-Qaeda", and 911 was the foundational event.

[Firestone]

Re-read the post.

attempt to sow confusion and fear among the populace, thereby generating public outcries for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missles.”
Whether such an outcry actually occurred is irrelevant.So now you claim that the murders by the Bende were commited to get something that didn't happen! :confused:
I'm sure the evidence for this is overwhelming! As overwhelming probably as for the claim that the US-government did 9/11 in order to install Martial Law!

Standard CT-stuff indeed.

But you got your missiles, didn't ja?Yes, with no connection whatsoever to the murders commited by the Bende van Nijvel. So what is your point?

I find it fascinating that you made no attempt to actually argue the evidence of the case, including the fact that one of the Belgium Gladio participants actually confessed to the crime. Pretty astonishing wilful ignorance at play here.

Either way, Gladio in general is not controversial. It's all on the public record: intelligence agencies set up terrorist cells throughout Western Europe. These cells set off hundreds of bombs. They called it "the strategy of tension". The goal was to discredit the left and elect right-wing governments. Gladio is well known. The link to the Bende is a totally unproven theory.

To anyone with a semi-functioning brain and the courage to look at the evidence, it is abundantly clear that a similar strategy is occurring as speak. It's called "Al-Qaeda", and 911 was the foundational event.I cannot look at evidence that is not provided.
And really, my brain is quite OK, thank you. :rolleyes:

And please, please, USE THE QUOTE-FEATURE of this forum. It's this button: http://forums.randi.org/images/buttons/quote.gif

[twinstead]

My 7 year old daughter provides hours of amusement for my wife and me as she so seriously describes how she perceives the world around her, and how she just doesn't understand how we don't 'get' it.

In her mind, her reality is "the" reality, she is the smart one, and we are all just blind fools.

Fortunately for her, a 7 year old is seldom arrogant about it; that happens when they get older but don't mature.

[Morphology]

There was no "public outcry for a law-and-order government

Re-read the post.

attempt to sow confusion and fear among the populace, thereby generating public outcries for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missles.”
Whether such an outcry actually occurred is irrelevant.

The murders had no political effect whatsoever. The same coalition was in place from before the start of the murders until after the stationing of 20 cruise missiles in Belgium.

But you got your missiles, didn't ja?

I find it fascinating that you made no attempt to actually argue the evidence of the case, including the fact that one of the Belgium Gladio participants actually confessed to the crime. Pretty astonishing wilful ignorance at play here.

Either way, Gladio in general is not controversial. It's all on the public record: intelligence agencies set up terrorist cells throughout Western Europe. These cells set off hundreds of bombs. They called it "the strategy of tension". The goal was to discredit the left and elect right-wing governments.
To anyone with a semi-functioning brain and the courage to look at the evidence, it is abundantly clear that a similar strategy is occurring as we speak. It's called "Al-Qaeda", and 911 was the foundational event.

[The Doc]

I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest.

Seriously, how old are you?

If we're "incapable of thinking outside the box" then pull your hand out of your a** and educate us.

You come onto an Internet message board and "**** with" people for your "own amusement". Why don't you go outside, and get a life. Using and issue involving the deaths of nearly 3,000 people for your own "amusement" is shameful and if I knew you personally I'd show you what I thought about you.

Unlike "Truth Seekers" us skeptics DEMAND to be convinced. The burden of proof is on you and you have provided absolutely none.

Time to grow up, child.

[WildCat]

I've always been fascinated by this line of troofer logic, could you enlighten us retards how having a war game facilitates an actual attack?
Bumping for Morphology, who must not have seen it the first time...

[Gravy]

The U.S. State Department's fact sheet on misinformation about Operation Gladio (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html)

Conclusion

A thirty year-old Soviet forgery has been cited as one of the central pieces of “evidence” for the false notion that West European “stay-behind” networks engaged in terrorism, allegedly at U.S. instigation. This is not true, and those researching the “stay behind” networks need to be more discriminating in evaluating the trustworthiness of their source material.

[Regnad Kcin]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity...

You kids are completely and utterly ridiculous. I’m sorry to put it so bluntly but there it is. I briefly considered penning a wicked satire on pseudo-intellectual buffoonery after reading only a handful of threads on this forum. That you would piss on the graves of 911 families by not supporting them in their call for a new investigation is deeply shameful. That you affect an intellectual posture and a strident skepticism while swallowing the most bald-faced lies is simply laughable.

Time to grow up, kids.What's that? A request for one of my greatest hits? Soitenly!

Dear 9/11 Alternate Conspiracy Theorist:

You are 100% wrong.

Love,

RK

[Wizard]

Dear 9/11 Alternate Conspiracy Theorist:

You are 100% wrong.

Love,

RK

Source?

[Gravy]

Source?Regnad is the Anti-Alex Jones. He hasn't been wrong yet. :D

[rikzilla]

Killtown? I must admit, I have not looked at all of them, but none that I have looked at have held water (and yes, I have participated in killtown threads here, have read his site, would not simply say this for the sake of saying it). Can you point to any that will actually stand up to a slight breeze?

ETA: Oh, my--it is Killtown's list!

Same comment applies, then--could you point to some and indicate how they support your view and how they are incompatible with the official view? (e.g., Rushdie? WTF?)

Don't bother with the list it's a waste of time. I went down it and it's nothing but the CT laundry list of innuendo, half-truth, fabrication, rumor, error, nonsense, and bald-faced lie. There's nothing new there. It's all the same-old, same-old which has already been debunked over and over again.

CTers are just basically dishonest; otherwise they would learn why their "evidence" is useless and they'd change tack.

"Stay the course" is the truther axiom.

-z

[beachnut]

There was no "public outcry for a law-and-order government

You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! Hahaha

Re-read the post.

But you got your missiles, didn't ja?
-event.

You are in the right thread; you started the thread; you are the thread.

[beachnut]

you are just trolling so you can ***** with people.


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest. It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists. While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity. You simply haven't done your homework. You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state. Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory". It's a very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

What do you have for your out of control mind?

Proof of your being a kook by starting the kook thread? You need to go to LC where reality is bad and fantasy is rewarded.

Did you get banned for being out-of-control like you are here over at Loose Change?

can you use bigger words, you put them together in such a out-of-control way.

Was this your best post?

[Kiwiwriter]

Do all of the CTers start in on the J word?


Yes, a lot of conspiracy theory stuff is anti-Semitic. It's usually a rehash of Henry Ford's 1920s "The International Jew," which itself is an updating of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," which in turn updates material that dates back to the Middle Ages, which seem to in turn date back to eight sermons delivered by St. John Chrystosom in 387 AD.

He denounced the Jews as being carnal, lascivious, avaricious, and as drunkards, pimps, and criminals.

When we study the anti-Semitic material that has gushed from presses down to the present, we see that the same story, the same conspiracies, the same lies, are passed down, updated, and regurgitated.

What I find interesting is that this grand Jewish Conspiracy, in the past 2000 years, has never been able to finish the job.

[Cuddles]

My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.

The box most of us live in has a large label on the side that reads "Real World". Thinking outside of it is generally not a good idea, and can often lead to making friends with the nice men in white coats and living in a room with bouncy walls.

[~enigma~]

How are you CT guys able to make it day to day?"

It's a constant struggle...not.

Actually sweetheart, us truthers lead relatively normal lives.

Yet there is always an instinctive urge toward revolution, I admit. We wackos conceive of a radically different society based on outmoded ideals like cooperation (syngergy) and equality.

The system is not just, therefore "truthers" oppose the system.. Some day, we hope and expect, the shills will go the way of the French Revolution. Not pretty, but necessary :)
Perhaps a few heads rolling round, but who's counting?

Bring it on.
So you propose violence and you expect to be taken seriously?

You preach bs about the FEMA camps and why you can be labeled as an enemy combatant and you stupidly call for violence and labeling yourself? Hope you enjoy life in gitmo. Can you hear the helicopters approaching?

[~enigma~]

If intelligence operatives plan a false flag attack it is possible for other operatives to get wind of the situation and not know its being planned by insiders.So an agent of espionage found out about espionage that he was part of yet told us about it? use your brain.
:dl:

[~enigma~]

Wrong. The operatives can provocateur the attack to make it look like arab terrorists. All that is needed are double agents
So your saying the good operatives were fooled by the bad operatives. In other words you are saying they were incompetant. Wonder where I heard that before.

[~enigma~]

Source?
RK...can't you read?

[beachnut]

I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling.

Troll? Are you more like an imp?

My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.


With your first post you have proven to be unqualified and not capable of rational thought, in or out of the box.


I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement.

Proof of your rude nature and that you have limited abilities to learn or comprehend; nor do you intend to.


I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest.

Seem like the only illusion you are not suffering from.

It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists. While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity.

There you go confusing faith with facts! Need not say more; you bring illusions and lies when facts are needed to argue. You start a pure junk and crap thread; Are facts beyond your simple comprehension?

You are the one with the CT problem; you are in the correct thread.


You simply haven't done your homework.


I hate homework; and doing homework to combat a troll is overkill. You are debunked as you post; each hunt and peck letter, debunked as it reaches the bottom of plunger of each key; each bit debunked as it moves across in 111011101010001011111000000101010000....

You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state.

I will not be looking forward for your perverted knowledge on this topic; it could be an Alex Jones view so far out only and Alex Jones idiot follower would understand. I expect as many lies from you as Alex Jones.

Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory".

I doubt if you could mitigate your own failure to understand facts and evidence that constantly debunk you without your knowledge.

It appears you are one whose terminal stupidity stands between truth and knowledge and you have chosen biased political rhetoric to guide your conclusions over reason.

You can not mitigate your own problems; thank you

It's a very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government.

We vote; what do you do? You have a biased political problem in your head that helps you see CT everywhere. You could vote. Can you vote?

Freud 101.

So how long have you hated facts? Have you always had an aversion to facts? How long have you used google to find your facts? Or is this your pathetic web site of junk?

[Arus808]

what a mass of confusion.

I suggest people dont respond to Morphology until he learns the valuable use of the Quote button on this forum.

Reading his glob of text is like reading a run on sentence.

[ConspiRaider]

what a mass of confusion.

I suggest people dont respond to Morphology until he learns the valuable use of the Quote button on this forum.

Reading his glob of text is like reading a run on sentence.
This is what I've been proposing for quite awhile.

Morphology - to use his beloved CT logic upon him - has STILL not provided a shred of evidence to conclude that he is NOT a baboon. Until he does that, it is rather pointless to engage him in any type of a debate.

Renounce your baboonery, Morphology, and you will then move into the next level of our rather stringent credibility tests: You will then need to prove that you are NOT a prepubescent boy just beginning to experience the overwhelming effects of rapid hormonal fluctuations.

By the way, here is a tangerine pellet...

[negativ]

I always aked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:

One sometimes hears "Gesundheit". Maybe it's a regional thing (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/GG/png2.html), though. I don't know.

[Alt+F4]

Morph...you are wasting time with these left-brain radicals. This is a suicide mission...abort now. That's an order, soldier.

The why do YOU keep posting on this forum?

[Alt+F4]

I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest. It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists. While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity. You simply haven't done your homework. You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state. Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory". It's a very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

You cut and paste from CT websites then accuse others of not being independent thinkers. I think you're funny hun. Please keep posting.

[Peephole]

Moreover, the fact that "Madani Bouhouche, who worked for state security and was a member of a neo-Nazi paramilitary group Westland New Post (WNP), was arrested with one of the murder weapons" is of little or no consequence.

Bouhouche was not a member of the State Security but a member of the then national police force. And as far as I know he was never arrested with one of the murder weapons, nor was he member of WNP. Stop making **** up.

So, in the case of the Bende van Nijvel, what "political enemies" were blamed by whom, and how did the Belgian state run amok as a consequence of the 28 murders commited by the Bende?

Belgium is not a powerful state. Therefore the effects were not particularly dramatic, unless of course you’re a Belgian.

“The Supermarket massacres occurred during the period when the U.S. was pushing a plan to base the Euro-Missiles (nuclear-tipped Cruise missiles) in different European countries. The plan led to huge demonstrations in Europe, with certain countries threatening to break ranks with NATO. Belgium was one of those countries.
Belgium never threatened to break ranks with NATO. Stop making **** up.
Belgium was one of those countries. The Belgian Parliament, which investigated the incidents, felt that they were another attempt to sow confusion and fear among the populace, thereby generating public outcries for a law-and-order government which would be amenable to the Euro-Missles.”

Actually, the Senate found no evidence that the Bende van Nijvel was in any way connected to the stay-behind Network.

http://www.senate.be/lexdocs/S0523/S05231297.pdf (page 100)

Stop making **** up.

[WilliamSeger]

I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement.

I was at a party last weekend where the host's brat 5-year-old was running around annoying people for his "own personal amusement." However, don't sell yourself short; I have to say that I find you much more amusing than that brat.

I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest.

From what I've read, I have to agree, but some accurate facts and logical reasoning might greatly improve your chances.:con2:

[DavidJames]

I was at a party last weekend where the host's brat 5-year-old was running around annoying people for his "own personal amusement."I'd say your analogy is very appropriate. Many loosers are closer to that 5 year old, emotionally, intellectually and maturity wise then they are to a normal adult.

Okay, that may be a bit of stretch but not much.

[stateofgrace]

you are just trolling so you can ***** with people.


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest. It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists. While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity. You simply haven't done your homework. You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state. Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory". It's a very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

Wow you are a funny guy eh? I bet you are just the life and soul of the party, cracking on your jokes about it all.

I bet everybody gathers around you and looks on in awe as you tell everybody how you are a freedom fighter and how you are going to bring down the nasty USG. I bet everybody you met just hero worships you and throws themselves at your feet. In fact I think you are GOD himself.

Please, oh mighty one forgive me for not believing your bolloxs. PLeeeease forgive me master, I am humbled to be even posting a response to your mighty thoughts.

Em maybe not, you silly little child.

[rwguinn]

but I have managed to put most of 'em on ignore. Welcome to the club, morphology

[Mashuna]

I've always wanted to have a go at breaking down an argument point-by-point, just like I've seen others do in this forum. I thought I'd make a start with my considered opinion on the following:


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling. My assumption, based on a glance at other threads, is that most of the people on this forum are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Oh, you're serious. . .

I'm *********** with you for my own personal amusement. I have no illusions that any argument I make will affect any of you in the slightest.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .wait, you're still serious?

It's sort of like arguing with religious fundamentalists.

AAAAAAhhhhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

While feigning a profound skepticism, most of you evidence astonishing credulity.

AAAAAAhhhhhh [choke, splutter] hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You simply haven't done your homework.

Stop it, you're killing me here!

You apparently know next-to-nothing about operations of state.

hahahahahaha ha ha

snigger

Rather than mitigating this ignorance, however, you choose to take a dogmatic contrarian position to deep politics and dismiss rational analysis as "conspiracy theory".

now come on, you'll set me off again [chuckle]

It's a very easy way, I admit, of protecting yourself from reality and ensuring that you don't have to do anything about your out-of-control government. Freud 101.

That's it, you've even set the dog off now.

:dl:

[Peephole]

Finally, Jean Bultot's admission to Belgian journalist René Haquin that "the killings were a state security destabilization operation with government participation "at every level" was sensless, albeit self-incriminating, blather.
And the supportive evidence for this criminal's stories? Yes, nonexistent. He later even retracted his claims and came up with a new version involving illegal gun-running.

Oh and a fun fact: nowadays Bultot lives as a medicin man in South Africa under the name Inyoka.

But you got your missiles, didn't ja?
Read Firestone's comment again:

The murders had no political effect whatsoever.
No political effect whatsoever, meaning they also did not influence the Martens V government decision with regards to the placement of the nuclear cruise missiles.

[Quad4_72]

I don't understand why anybody is even acknowledging Morphology. He obviously is not here to present facts, evidence, or any other relevant data in support of an argument or claim. He is simply here to cause a disturbance. He is also most likely still in high school, you know, thinks he knows everything there is to know about the world based upon the very few limited experiences that he has had. Best to just ignore him until he brings up an issue that can actually be supported by evidence. Don't waste your time with him.

[DarkMagician]

you are just trolling so you can ***** with people.


I'll be the first to admit that I am indeed trolling.Okay, well, now that you've admitted that you don't want to discuss or learn anything. *IGNORE*

[Peephole]

I don't understand why anybody is even acknowledging Morphology. He obviously is not here to present facts, evidence, or any other relevant data in support of an argument or claim. He is simply here to cause a disturbance. He is also most likely still in high school, you know, thinks he knows everything there is to know about the world based upon the very few limited experiences that he has had. Best to just ignore him until he brings up an issue that can actually be supported by evidence. Don't waste your time with him.
Oh but it's still fun to debunk his claims.

[T.A.M.]

Morphology uses one of the oldest tactics in the trolling textbook...patronizing his audience. He also tries to insult, keenly, through what he knows we value the most here...intelligent debate and conversation. I appreciate your tactics with respect to trolling, Morph.

You are a fine example of the "truth" movement, and I insist you remain, so that the numerous lurkers and undecided fencesitters who come to this forum (if you notice about half the visitors are "guests") can see what fine intellectuals the "truth" movement has to offer. I am sure with every insult you make, you swing another fence sitter into our corner.

Why don't you just start another thread about something useless, and throw around some more insults.

Throw some my way if you wish. The sad truth, for you my pathetic friend, is that your insults are not important enough to make me blink, let alone wince.

TAM

[ConspiRaider]

Oh but it's still fun to debunk his claims.
Which he obtained (in his baboonish manner) by cutting and pasting from the "internets".

He'll be back soon. Right after he assembles and reads his own genuine exclusive 10,000 page report from the NIST (Non-baboon Intelligence Simulation and Testing).

Expect a huge run on banana pellets...

[flim flam]

9 pages of troofer nonsense and only 1 kitty picture? i demand a kitty picture!! i'd better see one soon or i'm sending the black heliocopters.
seriously though, when is this guy actually going to make a coherent, rational, evidence based argument?
no i'm kidding, it's never going to happen. awfully funny to watch though.

[Gravy]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904558d6428eff8.jpg

[LashL]

Proof of your being a kook by starting the kook thread? You need to go to LC where reality is bad and fantasy is rewarded.


I'd give odds that he is a card-carrying member of the loosewiththetruth forum. One with lots of :socks: in fact.

The influx of cloned troofer kooks here recently is in direct correlation to the meltdown of the loosewiththetruth forum, which has been practically tomb-like ever since it re-opened. The poor little troofers are just bored over there so they come here to feed their hundreds-of-posts-per-day habit, and to tell themselves how very, very clever they are.

Pretty sad, really.

[DarkMagician]

BREAKFAST BACON QUICHE

Pastry for 9" quiche dish
1/2 lb. bacon, fried crisp
1 c. sharp cheddar cheese
1 c. Monterey Jack cheese
4 eggs
1 1/3 c. sour cream
2 tbsp. minced fresh parsley

On lightly floured board, roll pastry to fit quiche dish. Bake on low rack of oven at 425 degrees for 5 minutes. Gently press down any bubbles in crust; cool before filling.

Sprinkle bacon and cheese over crust. In medium bowl, beat eggs with sour cream and parsley until smooth; pour over crust. Bake on low rack of oven at 425 degrees for 20 to 25 minutes. Let quiche stand 5 minutes before serving.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904558d6428eff8.jpg

Dammit Gravy, that kitten scares me. Make sure it is at the front of the queue.

[Bell]

Dammit Gravy, that kitten scares me. Make sure it is at the front of the queue.

That's not a kitten. It's a... it's a... what the hell is it??

[Wizard]

I'd give odds that he is a card-carrying member of the loosewiththetruth forum. One with lots of :socks: in fact.

The influx of cloned troofer kooks here recently is in direct correlation to the meltdown of the loosewiththetruth forum, which has been practically tomb-like ever since it re-opened. The poor little troofers are just bored over there so they come here to feed their hundreds-of-posts-per-day habit, and to tell themselves how very, very clever they are.

Pretty sad, really.

Need I remind you that Oliver has had his 20th sock puppet banned from LC and at once stage he was the number 1 poster on the board.

There are numerous other JREFers with sock puppets at LC.

You are right, it's pretty sad really

[flim flam]

the kitty knows all...
the kitty see's all....
i'll hold off the helicopters ... for the time being.
now fess up gravy.. it's a NWO kitty isnt it?

[stateofgrace]

Need I remind you that Oliver has had his 20th sock puppet banned from LC and at once stage he was the number 1 poster on the board.

There are numerous other JREFers with sock puppets at LC.

You are right, it's pretty sad really

Why do you keep picking on Oliver?

Have you got a girlie type crush on him ?

Just asking questions.

[Wizard]

Why do you keep picking on Oliver?

Have you got a girlie type crush on him ?

Just asking questions.

Because he is the best example. No I do not have a crush, he's a 15 year old girl.

Now would you care to address the point about hypocrisy that I made?

[ConspiRaider]

the kitty knows all...
the kitty see's all....
i'll hold off the helicopters ... for the time being.
now fess up gravy.. it's a NWO kitty isnt it?
Gravy's got the final word, but I'd bet on an NWO kitty.

Regular kitties have ears on the outside.

NWO kitties grow their ears on the INside, where the micro-surveillance electronics can be safely hidden.

Curiousity killed the cat? Harrumph. Not in the NWO...

(Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph! Hedy, I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy!)

(That's Hedley!)

[stateofgrace]

Because he is the best example. No I do not have a crush, he's a 15 year old girl.

Now would you care to address the point about hypocrisy that I made?

Are the best example of a LC sock ?

Unless you are calling me an hypocrite I have nothing to address.

[Wizard]

Are the best example of a LC sock ?

Unless you are calling me an hypocrite I have nothing to address.

So why did you respond to my post if it wasn't directed at you?

[defaultdotxbe]

Are the best example of a LC sock ?

Unless you are calling me an hypocrite I have nothing to address.
oliver has a sock at LC
oliver is a JREFer

therefore, in CT-world, all JREFers have socks at LC and all LC members should be allowed socks at JREF

painting thousands of forum members with the same brush, classic CTer

[Wizard]

oliver has a sock at LC
oliver is a JREFer

therefore, in CT-world, all JREFers have socks at LC and all LC members should be allowed socks at JREF

painting thousands of forum members with the same brush, classic CTer

Other JREFers have them aswell. Stop complaining about socks then sending oliver over to LC on his latest wind up mission

[LashL]

Need I remind you that Oliver has had his 20th sock puppet banned from LC and at once stage he was the number 1 poster on the board.

Big difference. Oliver is honest about it. You troofer kooks who come here with your multiple socks are not.

There are numerous other JREFers with sock puppets at LC.


There may be a few, sure. Again, there's a big difference, though. At the loosewiththetruth forum, anyone who doesn't toe the troofer line is banned outright. Here, you only get banned for breaking the rules.

[defaultdotxbe]

Other JREFers have them aswell. Stop complaining about socks then sending oliver over to LC on his latest wind up mission
who else has them? are they the same ones who accuse you of being pdoh here? whos "sending" oliver over there?

[8den]

The system is not just, therefore "truthers" oppose the system.. Some day, we hope and expect, the shills will go the way of the French Revolution. Not pretty, but necessary :)

Perhaps a few heads rolling round, but who's counting?

Bring it on.

Yeah.... I think the day after the "glorious revolution" you'll wake up to find you've killed all the doctors, engineers, and scientists. And be left with a group of college dropouts, and liberal arts PhDs in the scholars for 911truth movement, along with some militant white neo nazis and some fundamental muslim fantatics. I look forward to seeing how you'll, do, er, anything.

[Aussie Thinker]

Wizard,

Hey I have an honest question for you.

You seem like a pretty reasonable bloke.

Do you HONESTLY believe some big dang fangled conspiracy happened with 911 ?

I am ok if you say well .. “it pretty much went down like they say.. but I think the Govt tried to cover stuff up or tried to cover their asses for being incompetent”…

Or do you think the Govt ORGANISED and executed 911 ?

[stateofgrace]

So why did you respond to my post if it wasn't directed at you?

Why post your beef with somebody who posts on this forum on the open forum if you was not inviting discussion ?

If you have a beef with somebody who openly admits he mocks you, why have you come here as a LC sock ? To even the score , maybe?

Are you here to defend the honour of LC ? So you come as a sneaky sock ? You dare not say who you are, for fear of what exactly ?

[WilliamSeger]

I don't understand why anybody is even acknowledging Morphology. He obviously is not here to present facts, evidence, or any other relevant data in support of an argument or claim. He is simply here to cause a disturbance.

Well, I'm only a semi-professional Internet psychologist (i.e. I accept donations through PayPal), but in my semi-professional opinion, Morphy is definitely trolling, but he's also definitely a conspiracy nut, so coming here to troll is very likely a desperate cry for help. He's taunting you about "thinking outside the box", but that may be a clue: he may well be getting pretty scared floating around out there without a rational tether, and is desperately hoping someone can pull him back in the box. If so, I believe everyone should continue to encourage him to try to put his delusions and scattered paranoid inferences in the form of logical arguments so that he can examine the logic for himself.

[Oliver]

Other JREFers have them aswell. Stop complaining about socks then sending oliver over to LC on his latest wind up mission

I love you, too.http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/love002.gif

[Wizard]

Wizard,

Hey I have an honest question for you.

You seem like a pretty reasonable bloke.

Do you HONESTLY believe some big dang fangled conspiracy happened with 911 ?

I am ok if you say well .. “it pretty much went down like they say.. but I think the Govt tried to cover stuff up or tried to cover their asses for being incompetent”…

Or do you think the Govt ORGANISED and executed 911 ?

I genuinely seek answers. As you can see in the timothy McVeigh thread, when I was presented with information about the bombs I admitted my mistake.

I find the whole 9/11 scenario suspicious and it may well be argument from incredulity but that's how it is

[Wizard]

Why post your beef with somebody who posts on this forum on the open forum if you was not inviting discussion ?

If you have a beef with somebody who openly admits he mocks you, why have you come here as a LC sock ? To even the score , maybe?

Are you here to defend the honour of LC ? So you come as a sneaky sock ? You dare not say who you are, for fear of what exactly ?

I am not a sock. I don't have other accounts here. Sure, I am not using my LC username but I don't have to.

[Aussie Thinker]

I genuinely seek answers. As you can see in the timothy McVeigh thread, when I was presented with information about the bombs I admitted my mistake.

I find the whole 9/11 scenario suspicious and it may well be argument from incredulity but that's how it is


Fair enough Wiz.. we are all “suspicious”.. I sure am anyway.

Most of 911 is a bit of a “no-brainer” though.

The USE of 911 (after the fact) to push other inane Govt agenda’s (like the invasion of Iraq) is reprehensible but the Govt actually being involved with 911 is a bit ludicrous !

[gumboot]

I find the whole 9/11 scenario suspicious and it may well be argument from incredulity but that's how it is


What specifically about the 9/11 scenario do you find suspicious?

-Gumboot

[beachnut]

I genuinely seek answers. As you can see in the timothy McVeigh thread, when I was presented with information about the bombs I admitted my mistake.

I find the whole 9/11 scenario suspicious and it may well be argument from incredulity but that's how it is

You site lies from PrisonPlanet and post them as discussion? Find some facts.

You do not seek answers you present lies from Alex Jones; Tell the true; you think the official story is falling apart and being exposed.

Just an answer!

[Orphia Nay]

I'd give odds that he is a card-carrying member of the loosewiththetruth forum. One with lots of :socks: in fact.

The influx of cloned troofer kooks here recently is in direct correlation to the meltdown of the loosewiththetruth forum, which has been practically tomb-like ever since it re-opened. The poor little troofers are just bored over there so they come here to feed their hundreds-of-posts-per-day habit, and to tell themselves how very, very clever they are.

Pretty sad, really.

I was thinking about posting something along those lines, but as usual you have put it much more eloquently than I was going to.

May I suggest that the term for these looosers should be called nonjas?


I genuinely seek answers.

But have you found any answers? (If so, please tell us in a new thread.) Or are you still waiting for one which you will then claim proves the whole 'inside job'?

As you can see in the timothy McVeigh thread, when I was presented with information about the bombs I admitted my mistake.

I find the whole 9/11 scenario suspicious and it may well be argument from incredulity but that's how it is

Questions are not evidence. I do find that you are refreshingly honest compared to almost all the twoofers I've seen. But in comparison to non-CTists, you fall too far short. You still seem to be arguing with confirmation bias. Can't you cancel out your incredulity by acknowledging your lack of evidence for an inside job?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Other JREFers have them aswell. Stop complaining about socks then sending oliver over to LC on his latest wind up mission
1) We don't have any control over what Oliver does, or does not do; and only our mods have can take action against something he does on the JREF forums.

2) LCF rules regarding socks The Loose Change Forums are a place for the intelligent, respectful exchange of ideas.

Certain theories perceived as extreme and divisive will be moderated at the discretion of the administration.

This is a privately owned forum and the administration reserves the right to restrict the participation of any user that is deemed disruptive for any reason.

Please take a minute to read the Invision rules which we are also subject to in detail.

Thank you.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=boardrules

JREF rules regarding socks

7. You may only have one membership account. Multiple accounts (sock puppets) are not permitted.

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