This place is overflowing with kooks.

[Morphology]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity.

Let me guess: Operation Gladio (revealed in a series of Italian parliamentary investigations) was an “honest mistake”. That Nato intelligence and the ÇIA organized a “stay behind network” after WWII comprised of fascists who proceeded to blow up train stations and blame it on socialists was an “aberration”. That the Russian FSB was caught planting bombs in a building in order to demonize Chechnyians was a bizarre freak of nature. That Israelis were caught blowing up American and British targets in Egypt and trying to pin the blame on the “Moslem Brotherhood” was an unfortunate tactical error. That Hitler faked an attack on a German radio station and blamed it on Poles was a distinctly Hitlerian phenomenon. That the Gulf of Tonkin incident was similarly staged was a fantastical coincidence.

You have to be seriously…how should I put this -- retarded to look at the constant stream of false flag operations evidenced throughout history and then dismiss 911 skepticism.

As with the events of 7/7, on the day of 911 there were “war games” “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred. The odds of this being a “coincidence” are astronomical. (You know, stars and stuff?)

You kids are completely and utterly ridiculous. I’m sorry to put it so bluntly but there it is. I briefly considered penning a wicked satire on pseudo-intellectual buffoonery after reading only a handful of threads on this forum. That you would piss on the graves of 911 families by not supporting them in their call for a new investigation is deeply shameful. That you affect an intellectual posture and a strident skepticism while swallowing the most bald-faced lies is simply laughable.

Time to grow up, kids.

“A scientific body to which had been confided the government of society would soon end by devoting itself no longer to science at all, but to quite another affair; and that affair, as in the case of all established powers, would be its own eternal perpetuation by rendering the society confided to its care ever more stupid and consequently more in need of its government and direction.”

Bakunin

[Dog Town]

Time to grow up, kids.


4572

[Mercutio]

You have to be seriously…how should I put this -- retarded to look at the constant stream of false flag operations evidenced throughout history and then dismiss 911 skepticism.

Fortunately, there's this stuff called "evidence". Because it would be equally...retarded...to look at the stream of false flag operations and simply assume that this was another.

Welcome to the forum. Take a look at some of the threads; use the search function; become familiar with what has already been said. Then, if you have anything new to bring to the table, bring it.

[ConspiRaider]

Operation Gladio? Wasn't that the plan to stop Spartacus from ravaging Rome? You mean - golly - this stuff goes all the way back to the Great Roman Empire? So Kirk Douglas - a Jooo - who also played Spartacus - is the focal point for the whole New World Order?

(I wonder how he shaves that chin dimple)

[WildCat]

As with the events of 7/7, on the day of 911 there were “war games” “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred. The odds of this being a “coincidence” are astronomical. (You know, stars and stuff?)
I've always been fascinated by this line of troofer logic, could you enlighten us retards how having a war game facilitates an actual attack?

[Wowbagger]

Let me be the first to say that you must be seriously - how shall I put this - naïve to think that any of your false flag operations are a substitute for evidence on what happened during 9/11.


(ETA: Dang! In the 15 minutes it took me to work out this retort, I was beaten to the punch. I thought I would get the lucky "first post", this time!)

[MikeW]

You have to be seriously…how should I put this -- retarded to look at the constant stream of false flag operations evidenced throughout history and then dismiss 911 skepticism.

As with the events of 7/7, on the day of 911 there were “war games” “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred. The odds of this being a “coincidence” are astronomical. (You know, stars and stuff?)
Retarded?

Well, okay. Plainly we need your education. Please start by showing us the evidence that shows there were 'war games “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred' on 9/11.

[parky76]

No..my friend. It is you and the 9-11 Deniars who are the kooks. For some psychological and emotional reasons, you all see the world as an evil, backstabbing, deceitful, untrustworthy place. Governmant cant be trusted, they are out to enslave you. There are conspiracies everywhere, from Zionists, to Freemasons, to Illuminati, to NWO, to PNAC, to Trilateral Commission, to CFR.

You live in a world where anyone could be an agent, a paid liar, an informant, a shill, etc etc.

Is it that hard for you to grasp why people look at you and see ultra-irrational paranoia? Ofcourse not. You have "the truth". You see "the light". Everyone else is a sheep, a slave, blind, stiff-necked, brain-washed..or worse....part of the conspiracy.

I feel really bad for ya dude. Seek help.

[Dog Town]

Retarded?

Well, okay. Plainly we need your education. Please start by showing us the evidence that shows there were 'war games “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred' on 9/11.

Yes...please! Bet, he runs from this!

[defaultdotxbe]

I've always been fascinated by this line of troofer logic, could you enlighten us retards how having a war game facilitates an actual attack?
its just another one of their clues that points in opposite directions

norad was ordered to stand down, but they were conducting drills to prepare for just the kind of attack that happened


of course truthers say they didnt know any of it was real, although transcripts of the conversations with ATC and NEADs seems to show this wasnt the case, it took all of 2 seconds for them to say "this is real life, not excercise"

[Oliver]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity.

Zumindest versucht er lustig zu sein. :)

[Alt+F4]

That you would piss on the graves of 911 families by not supporting them in their call for a new investigation is deeply shameful.

The CTers call the family members who received phone calls from the planes liars. They insinuate that victims are in someway responsible for their own murder. Why don't you ask your CT buddies about Bernard Black, Sr.? They say he was off playing golf on 9/11, knowing full well his 11-year old son was to die that day on AA77.

[Pardalis]

Zumindest versucht er lustig zu sein. :)

Gazunteit.

[Anti-sophist]

When do we get to see your evidence?

[Bell]

Thank you, good night.

[ConspiRaider]

Zumindest versucht er lustig zu sein. :)
Translation:

Zooming to the destination Seine Zoo sucks when there's luggage in the air.

[DavidJames]

When do we get to see your evidence?

When do we get to find out which sock this is?

[orphia nay]

Wow! There's so much jumping to conclusions in Morphology's post my eyballs have gone all googly. And it doesn't help that my eyes are rolling from his ad hominem arguments and appeal to pity.

Logic lesson #1, Morph: Just because A did B does not prove X did Y.

[David Wong]

What's frustrating about so many of these people is that what they're saying sounds like skepticism. But it's not. The real things they should be skeptical about are dismissed because they're too boring (funding of education, congressional redistricting, environmental policy and sustainability, bloated, ineffective government programs, lobbyists...) and they seize on sci-fi conspiracy theories instead purely based on how much more fun and interesting they are.

There's plenty of "conspiracies" and back-door deals in Washington that need uncovering, money and favors changing hands and common people getting screwed in the process. But nobody's terribly interested in those, in energy policy and trade policy and product safety and lender responsibility in bankruptcy laws and all the other things that actually affect our daily lives.

"Hey! The roof is leaking! I think the roofer screwed us!"

"You're right! The roofer landed on our house in a UFO and knocked a hole in it!"

"What? No. I'm saying when he fixed the roof he didn't bother to-"

"YOU NEED TO WAKE UP, MAN! IT'S ALL PART OF THE ROOFER REPTILLIAN AGENDA!!!!"

[Pardalis]

This thread needs a kitten.

[defaultdotxbe]

Wow! There's so much jumping to conclusions in Morphology's post my eyballs have gone all googly. And it doesn't help that my eyes are rolling from his ad hominem arguments and appeal to pity.

Logic lesson #1, Morph: Just because A did B does not prove X did Y.
the problem ith CTers is they dont see it that way, to them the government is a singular monolithic entity with an unchanging policy, in their minds its A did B, therefore A did B again

[Oliver]

What's frustrating about so many of these people is that what they're saying sounds like skepticism. But it's not. The real things they should be skeptical about are dismissed because they're too boring (funding of education, congressional redistricting, environmental policy and sustainability, bloated, ineffective government programs, lobbyists...) and they seize on sci-fi conspiracy theories instead purely based on how much more fun and interesting they are.

There's plenty of "conspiracies" and back-door deals in Washington that need uncovering, money and favors changing hands and common people getting screwed in the process. But nobody's terribly interested in those, in energy policy and trade policy and product safety and lender responsibility in bankruptcy laws and all the other things that actually affect our daily lives.

"Hey! The roof is leaking! I think the roofer screwed us!"

"You're right! The roofer landed on our house in a UFO and knocked a hole in it!"

"What? No. I'm saying when he fixed the roof he didn't bother to-"

"YOU NEED TO WAKE UP, MAN! IT'S ALL PART OF THE ROOFER REPTILLIAN AGENDA!!!!"

Nominated. :D

[Horatius]

This thread needs a kitten.

No kittens, but here's a cat wearing a shoe.....

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904587363560b05.jpg

....for a hat!

[Pardalis]

I only see a shoe!

[Oliver]

Gazunteit.

I always aked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:

[defaultdotxbe]

I always aked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:
bless you or god bless you

ETA: or you are sooo good lookin'

lol

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I always aked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:
Gesundheit is a nice non-religious term to use.

[Oliver]

bless you or god bless you

ETA: or you are sooo good lookin'

lol

Gesundheit is a nice non-religious term to use.

Aha. Interesting to know -thank you. :)

[PerryLogan]

Astronomically impossible war games or drills staged at astronomically improbable times prove there was no conspiracy, as these would tend to give away the game. The perps were trying to fool people, not leave clues.

[Big Les]

Damn! You lot are far too quick on the draw.

[jhunter1163]

bless you or god bless you

ETA: or you are sooo good lookin'

lol


It also means hello, goodbye, I love you, and there are termites in your basement.

[defaultdotxbe]

Aha. Interesting to know -thank you. :)
just to clarify, that last one is a joke from an episode of seinfeld :)

[uruk]

looks like a hit and run post. No cajones to back up his spew.

[Pardalis]

I always aked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:

Damn, the only word in German I know and I screw it up... :o

Sorry!

[Oliver]

It also means hello, goodbye, I love you, and there are termites in your basement.

I´m sorry but i already nominated David (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2186424&postcount=19). :boxedin:

By the way: Gesundheit has the same meaning as "Live long and prosper".

ETA: Where did he go?

[jhunter1163]

*sigh*... someday, I'll say something worthy of a nomination. Maybe I should post more kittens...

[Bell]

No kittens, but here's a cat wearing a shoe.....

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904587363560b05.jpg

....for a hat!

Here is a cat who is wearing a hat.
But what is so strange about that?
Is he wearing it the wrong site up?
Is it a kettle or a tin or a cup?
Is the size of the hat not right?
Are the colors not a pretty sight?
What is the reason the hat will not do?
Because it is not a hat, but it is a shoe!

[DarkMagician]

looks like a hit and run post. No cajones to back up his spew.

Yeah, P'Doh had his own little "armchair dianetics" he'd pull off when his ass was kicked.

ÇIA

Is that anything like the CIA? Might be more French and swanky.

[Oliver]

*sigh*... someday, I'll say something worthy of a nomination. Maybe I should post more kittens...

Nominated! :D

[Jedi_Master]

I always aked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:

Ya...it's...

"Hey man here's a Kleenex, wipe that snot off your nose"...

[orphia nay]

Wow! There's so much jumping to conclusions in Morphology's post my eyballs have gone all googly. And it doesn't help that my eyes are rolling from his ad hominem arguments and appeal to pity.

Logic lesson #1, Morph: Just because A did B does not prove X did Y.

the problem ith CTers is they dont see it that way, to them the government is a singular monolithic entity with an unchanging policy, in their minds its A did B, therefore A did B again

Sad, but true.

Let me guess... Operation Gladio (revealed in a series of Italian parliamentary investigations) was an “honest mistake”. That Nato intelligence and the ÇIA organized a “stay behind network” after WWII comprised of fascists who proceeded to blow up train stations and blame it on socialists was an “aberration”. That the Russian FSB was caught planting bombs in a building in order to demonize Chechnyians was a bizarre freak of nature. That Israelis were caught blowing up American and British targets in Egypt and trying to pin the blame on the “Moslem Brotherhood” was an unfortunate tactical error. That Hitler faked an attack on a German radio station and blamed it on Poles was a distinctly Hitlerian phenomenon. That the Gulf of Tonkin incident was similarly staged was a fantastical coincidence.


So let me get this straight. "Government = BAD, therefore MIHOP".

Or is it: "Italy = CIA = NATO = Israel = Russia = Hitler therefore MIHOP"?

Or would Morphology admit he's saying "A did B therefore X did Y"?

[Oliver]

Ya...it's...

"Hey man here's a Kleenex, wipe that snot off your nose"...

:D

By the way: I´m just asking because your Nickname:
Are you a relative of Abby?

[Brainache]

"This place is overflowing with kooks"

But it appears there's always room for one more.

[Kopji]

The bizarre thing I noticed while watching Gravy's excellent debate yesterday, is that 'post the outrageous lie and run away' seems pretty typical of their style. If there were really a conspiracy of this magnitude, surely some people of better character would be on their side.

[defaultdotxbe]

"This place is overflowing with kooks"

But it appears there's always room for one more.
i was just thinking, with christophera on his usual thing, geggy in a close orbit, 28th kingdom, se7ensnakes, wizard and nor morphology i think we are over our usual compliment of kooks

[Metullus]

i was just thinking, with christophera on his usual thing, geggy in a close orbit, 28th kingdom, se7ensnakes, wizard and nor morphology i think we are over our usual compliment of kooksAnd all concentrated in a single sub-forum...

Makes me itch.

[Brainache]

Can there ever be too many kooks?

Will that spoil our broth?

Because I'm Australian, does that make me a kookaburra?

I am the eggman, they are the eggmen Koo Koo Ka JOOOB

[Bell]

Can there ever be too many kooks?

Will that spoil our broth?

Because I'm Australian, does that make me a kookaburra?

I am the eggman, they are the eggmen Koo Koo Ka JOOOB

Reported...



... to the NWO.

You should know it by now. Never, NEVER, make referenses to the Beatles without the disclosure that Paul is really NOT death. Really.

[Dog Town]

i was just thinking, with christophera on his usual thing, geggy in a close orbit, 28th kingdom, se7ensnakes, wizard and nor morphology i think we are over our usual compliment of kooks

Ditto, I was just noticing all the threads by new Kooks! Is Hell overpyroclasticly flowing? Sheesh, great work though JREF. They love the negative attention. It is nice to see y'all pick them apart. Nothing new though, I'm waiting to see, how crazy the next theory is. I mean...where do you go after Space Beams?

DT

[Brainache]

Reported...



... to the NWO.

You should know it by now. Never, NEVER, make referenses to the Beatles without the disclosure that Paul is really NOT death. Really.

Sorry I thought that the current orders were that Paul IS dead and that John is still alive and that George was levitated to Nirvana by Hare Krishnas. We of course never mention the other one.

[jsfisher]

I only see a shoe!
How could you miss that block of shiny aluminum covered with thermite slag right in front of the shoe?

[Wizard]

Ditto, I was just noticing all the threads by new Kooks! Is Hell overpyroclasticly flowing? Sheesh, great work though JREF. They love the negative attention. It is nice to see y'all pick them apart. Nothing new though, I'm waiting to see, how crazy the next theory is. I mean...where do you go after Space Beams?

DT

Dog town have you seen how many JREFers are on the LC boards?

[T.A.M.]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity.

I appreciate you bringing up childishness here, as your "hit and run" post here reminds me of a child sticking his tongue out at someone, but then jumping onto his bike and riding away, chicken shaite to stay and face the consequences of his actions.


Let me guess: Operation Gladio (revealed in a series of Italian parliamentary investigations) was an “honest mistake”. That Nato intelligence and the ÇIA organized a “stay behind network” after WWII comprised of fascists who proceeded to blow up train stations and blame it on socialists was an “aberration". That the Russian FSB was caught planting bombs in a building in order to demonize Chechnyians was a bizarre freak of nature. That Israelis were caught blowing up American and British targets in Egypt and trying to pin the blame on the “Moslem Brotherhood” was an unfortunate tactical error. That Hitler faked an attack on a German radio station and blamed it on Poles was a distinctly Hitlerian phenomenon. That the Gulf of Tonkin incident was similarly staged was a fantastical coincidence.

Do you have a point with your statement, or are you just ranting?


You have to be seriously…how should I put this -- retarded to look at the constant stream of false flag operations evidenced throughout history and then dismiss 911 skepticism.

You have to be seriously...how should I put this -- stupid to base your view of the world on paranoid speculation and opinion rather than cold hard scientific facts.


As with the events of 7/7, on the day of 911 there were “war games” “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred. The odds of this being a “coincidence” are astronomical. (You know, stars and stuff?)

And the odds of winning the state powerball are similar...yet there are winners on many occasions. Blah, blah, blah...


You kids are completely and utterly ridiculous.

I am personally 36, married with 2 children. Many here are older than me, and all the people who debunk morons like yourself, at least have the courage to respond after making a post, rather than just spueing garbage and the running and hiding, like you.


I’m sorry to put it so bluntly but there it is. I briefly considered penning a wicked satire on pseudo-intellectual buffoonery after reading only a handful of threads on this forum.

go ahead, be my guest. Seems like something a coward would do, rather than actually try to engage in a debate here.


That you would piss on the graves of 911 families by not supporting them in their call for a new investigation is deeply shameful. That you affect an intellectual posture and a strident skepticism while swallowing the most bald-faced lies is simply laughable.

The entire truth movement, and all of Alex Jones shaite is founded on lies, so I guess that makes you and many of your co-CTers laughable.


Time to grow up, kids.

you are right...I suggest you start right away by reading some literature on critical thinking and skepticism. We demand solid evidence to prove a point, not heresay, conjecture, speculation, and paranoid delusion.


“A scientific body to which had been confided the government of society would soon end by devoting itself no longer to science at all, but to quite another affair; and that affair, as in the case of all established powers, would be its own eternal perpetuation by rendering the society confided to its care ever more stupid and consequently more in need of its government and direction.”

Bakunin

nice quote.

TAM:)

[Bell]

Sorry I thought that the current orders were that Paul IS dead and that John is still alive and that George was levitated to Nirvana by Hare Krishnas. We of course never mention the other one.

There were four? :eek:

[Oliver]

Dog town have you seen how many JREFers are on the LC boards?

4 - the rest was retroofed.

[Quad4_72]

Definitely a hit and run post. He can't back anything up so he just simply won't post.

[Kiwiwriter]

Operation Gladio? Wasn't that the plan to stop Spartacus from ravaging Rome? You mean - golly - this stuff goes all the way back to the Great Roman Empire? So Kirk Douglas - a Jooo - who also played Spartacus - is the focal point for the whole New World Order?

(I wonder how he shaves that chin dimple)

I thought "Gladio" was a World War II poster depicting the Italian invaders of Greece as being betrayers of the Roman traditions.

Well, we got us another Wooo! Or a Twoofer! :)

[Kiwiwriter]

Definitely a hit and run post. He can't back anything up so he just simply won't post.

I hate to see Woos bunt and run before they get smacked around. :)

[Dog Town]

Dog town have you seen how many JREFers are on the LC boards?

Besides Olivers socks, didn't notice any.They went on the banning binge again. Ever notice, that the people that cry "police state" the most, practice it? I guess when the board is so slow, and vacant like LC, a couple of reasonable voices, seems like alot!
Your point?

[Pardalis]

Definitely a hit and run post. He can't back anything up so he just simply won't post.

Auf Wiedersehen, Morphology!

(I did check that one out before I posted ;) )

[Brainache]

There were four? :eek:

SSSSHHHHH!!

Ring.....oops I mean Big Owl is watching.

[Wizard]

4 - the rest was retroofed.

Ok 100 of them were you but the rest are still there.

[Gravy]

This place is overflowing with kooks.

It was brimful before you arrived. Now it's overflowing. How's the weather in the Matrix this time of year?

[Bell]

Ok 100 of them were you but the rest are still there.

Not all JREF. A lot are gummit employees, keeping track on all you woo woos.

[Morphology]

it would be equally...retarded...to look at the stream of false flag operations and simply assume that this was another.”

I’m aware of Hume’s problem with induction. Thing is, when people see the sun rising every morning they tend to assume a sort of pattern at work. If I gaze at the horizon before day break and witness a general brightening effect I may very well conclude that the sun is about to rise. So it is with false flag operations and 911. All the indicators are there.

Operation Gladio? Wasn't that the plan to stop Spartacus from ravaging Rome?

You’re on the right track. The term “Gladio” refers to a short double edged sort used by Roman legionnaires 2000 years ago. In France Gladio was termed "Glaive", in Austria, "Schwert," Turkish Gladio was named "Red Sheepskin", Sweden's group was called "Sveaborg."

Belgium had a particularly noxious unit. They put on masks, strolled into supermarkets and gunned down old ladies and children – for a good cause, of course.

Incidentally, the man originally appointed to lead the 911 investigation – Henry Kissinger – was deeply involved in operation Gladio.

I've always been fascinated by this line of troofer logic, could you enlighten us retards how having a war game facilitates an actual attack?

Sure. War games serve as a “conduit”, as well as a means of plausible deniability (the first rule of intelligence). Thus, when Russian FSB agents were caught red handed planting bombs in an apartment complex, they claimed it was a drill. They also claimed, falsely, that the explosives were fake. The police chief said otherwise.

Oklahoma had a drill, 911 had several “hijacking” drills involving drone aicraft, 77 had drills based on a terror attack occurring on the London underground. Same time, same place, same scenario. Connect the dots.

Please start by showing us the evidence that shows there were 'war games “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred' on 9/11.

Google’s your friend. Use it. Apparently I cannot post URL’s on this forum. Go read Tarpley’s or Ruppert’s books and feast your eyes.

For some psychological and emotional reasons, you all see the world as an evil, backstabbing, deceitful, untrustworthy place.

I regard states as such. The world itself cannot be reduced to “good” or “evil”. Only a fool would place their trust in the benevolence of government officials. Put on your thinking cap.

Zionists, to Freemasons, to Illuminati, to NWO, to PNAC, to Trilateral Commission, to CFR.

This is called bracketing. It’s a common propaganda technique. You’re conflating actual organizations like the Trilateral Commission with alleged (or long extinct) organizations like the illuminati. I understand your reluctance to embrace a unified field theory. I do not believe in a “grand puppet master” either. I also understand that “conspiracism” can be a negative force, causing people to focus on the shadow rather than the substance. Ultimately, if we wish to understand the way our society functions, we have to embrace both conspiratorial and institutional analyses. That means taking seriously the ubiquitous “black op”.

You live in a world where anyone could be an agent, a paid liar, an informant, a shill, etc etc.

I try not to accuse specific individuals of shillery. Unfortunately, there are indeed plenty of paid liars running about. Joan Mellon’s book on Jim Garrison’s instigation of the JFK assassination reveals a massive effort by the CIA to discredit his work, involving literally hundreds of people.

I feel really bad for ya dude. Seek help.

I’ll be ok. But thanks for the kindly concern.

although transcripts of the conversations with ATC and NEADs seems to show this wasnt the case, it took all of 2 seconds for them to say "this is real life, not excercise"

Go Google “Robin Hordon”. You’ll find some interesting tid bits from an air traffic controller, which you will then dismiss out of irrational bias.

Zumindest versucht er lustig zu sein.

Danke.

The CTers call the family members who received phone calls from the planes liars.

Some do, some don’t. There are various theories. Some involve the “hijacking drills” occurring at the same time as the actual events. Either way, the cell phone calls are irrelevant as to the question: were elements within the US government complicit? The answer is yes.

ad hominem arguments and appeal to pity.

I apologize. I couldn’t resist. “Appeal to pity” is not apt, however. Appeal to justice better said.

The real things they should be skeptical about are dismissed because they're too boring

I agree in part.

the problem ith CTers is they dont see it that way, to them the government is a singular monolithic entity

Quite the opposite, actually. So-called Cters tend to view states as they actually are – complex. Conversely, a familiar refrain for OFT (official fairy tale) adherents is to attribute all-encompassing powers to specific individuals or administrations. Eg. “Bush is incompetent ergo 911 was not an inside job”.

Such opinions are easily debunked by a cursory glance at the history of intelligence. For instance, Eisenhower’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities concluded that the CIA was “operating for the most part on an autonomous and free-wheeling basis in highly critical areas”.

Looks like a hit and run post. No cajones to back up his spew.

Patience grasshoppers.

[Oliver]

Ok 100 of them were you but the rest are still there.

No no - with me i guess there are 4 JREF´ers active right now.
The rest of the sceptics were banned and i don´t know if they
all were JREF´er. I doubt that.

20 of the banned ones were me and 50 ones are still puppets.

[Pardalis]

The quote function is your friend.

[Dog Town]

That retort took you howlong? Jeeezis! Not worth the wait!
ROOKIE!

DT

[defaultdotxbe]

Such opinions are easily debunked by a cursory glance at the history of intelligence. For instance, Eisenhower’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities concluded that the CIA was “operating for the most part on an autonomous and free-wheeling basis in highly critical areas”.
this is my point exactly, you are citing the conclusion arrived at 50 years ago of how the CIA operated 50 years ago in the world as it was 50 years ago and it is not necessarily descriptive of the organizations activities today

is there a clintons board of consultants on foreign intelligence activities?

[Kiwiwriter]

Another "Twoofer" whose main argument is:

"Go look it up yourself and do the research for me. The burden of proof is on you. All I'm required to do is deny reality."

Your story, you prove your argument.

[Wizard]

No no - with me i guess there are 4 JREF´ers active right now.
The rest of the sceptics were banned and i don´t know if they
all were JREF´er. I doubt that.

20 of the banned ones were me and 50 ones are still puppets.

I didn;t expect you to be so proud of having so much time on your hands.

[28th Kingdom]

Morph...you are wasting time with these left-brain radicals. This is a suicide mission...abort now. That's an order, soldier.

[Gravy]

911 had several “hijacking” drills involving drone aicraftName one. Just one. You don't have to name "several." Just one.

Betcha you can't.

Can you, Morphology?

[defaultdotxbe]

Morph...you are wasting time with these left-brain radicals. This is a suicide mission...abort now. That's an order, soldier.
and take 28th and wizard with you when you go ^^^

[Gravy]

Morph...you are wasting time with these left-brain radicals. This is a suicide mission...abort now. That's an order, soldier.My challenge extends to you, 28th. Knock yourself out. We look forward to reviewing your evidence.

[Oliver]

I didn;t expect you to be so proud of having so much time on your hands.

I´m not proud and i posted only 15 messages in the
last 4 Weeks over there.

Thats 1.866 posts per day. :rolleyes:

[Dog Town]

No no - with me i guess there are 4 JREF´ers active right now.
The rest of the sceptics were banned and i don´t know if they
all were JREF´er. I doubt that.

20 of the banned ones were me and 50 ones are still puppets.

I was one. Started a thread about the Bermass DOD BS. Not only did Dylan ban me, he erased the thread. Something about Dylan trying to claim it was all a joke. I called him on it, then I got my second badge, and the rest is history!
FCUK'em...


DT

[Wizard]

Name one. Just one. You don't have to name "several." Just one.

Betcha you can't.

Can you, Morphology?


Vigilant Guardian

[Dog Town]

Vigilant Guardian
And what were they doing? Exactly!

[rwguinn]

My challenge extends to you, 28th. Knock yourself out. We look forward to reviewing your evidence.

Don't let him (it?) leave till he actually answers one (1) question. I don't even care which one. Just pick one! Any one!

[Axiom_Blade]

Ditto, I was just noticing all the threads by new Kooks! Is Hell overpyroclasticly flowing? Sheesh, great work though JREF. They love the negative attention. It is nice to see y'all pick them apart. Nothing new though, I'm waiting to see, how crazy the next theory is. I mean...where do you go after Space Beams?


I'm waiting for somebody to claim that the towers were holograms.

[Pardalis]

Vigilant Guardian

A simulation of a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union' on North America is proof of a 9/11 conspiracy?

:boggled:

[defaultdotxbe]

A simulation of a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union' on North America is proof of a 9/11 conspiracy?

:boggled:
yes, and a soviet bomber attack is also a hijacking simulation

[Buckaroo]

With the bewildering number of contradictory troofer scenarios out there, and the widely varying degrees of their plausability, I find myself wondering -- which one does Morphology himself subscribe to? It might help the discussion to know...

[Oliver]

FCUK'em...
DT

I know it´s a littlebit late... :boxedin:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745874bc16d2d0.gif

[Wizard]

A simulation of a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union' on North America is proof of a 9/11 conspiracy?

:boggled:

That was northern vigilance pardalis.

[Mercutio]

it would be equally...retarded...to look at the stream of false flag operations and simply assume that this was another.”

I’m aware of Hume’s problem with induction. Thing is, when people see the sun rising every morning they tend to assume a sort of pattern at work. If I gaze at the horizon before day break and witness a general brightening effect I may very well conclude that the sun is about to rise. So it is with false flag operations and 911. All the indicators are there.

"All the indicators" being...?

Your sunrise analogy works better if you can present a recognizable pattern. Your "stream of false flag operations" is more of an inconsistant drip, when held to history's timeline. Mightn't a better candidate for "sunrise" be the steady stream of actual hostilities by one group against another? As you say, "all the indicators are there."

What is missing is the specific evidence, the specific indicators, that are consistent with "false flag" but not with actual war or terrorism. Where is that evidence?

[Pardalis]

That was northern vigilance pardalis.

Not what is says here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Guardian

The Vigilant Guardian war game was discussed in chapter 1, footnote 116 of the 9/11 Commission Report:

"On 9/11, NORAD was scheduled to conduct a military exercise, Vigilant Guardian, which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union.

[Wizard]

‘‘Operation Vigilant Guardian,’’ a fourth drill, simulated hijacked planes.
During this event, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, a NORAD control and warning
officer, took the call from the Boston Center warning that it was tracking a
hijacked airliner. Her first words were, ‘‘It must be part of the exercise’’
(Seely, 2002).


Thats from:

http://physics911.net/jacobs.pdf

Its a 23 page well sourced essay on the war games. You might want to read it before betraying your ignorance again

[defaultdotxbe]

That was northern vigilance pardalis.
no, that was vigilant guardian

northern vigilance was a deployment of fighters and bombers to alaska and northern canada to monitor a russian excercise

[defaultdotxbe]

Thats from:

http://physics911.net/jacobs.pdf

Its a 23 page well sourced essay on the war games. You might want to read it before betraying your ignorance again

if his essay is well sourced why cant you cite the actual source instead of the essay itself?

ETA: here it is, is it really that difficult?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/newhousenews012502.html

[apathoid]

That was northern vigilance pardalis.

Vigilant Guardian, the semiannual NORAD exercise that had been running in conjunction with Global Guardian for several days and which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. Vigilant Guardian is a Command Post Exercise (CPX), meaning it is conducted in offices and with computers, but without actual planes in the air. The exercise involves all NORAD command levels.[3] Out of a range of scenarios being run on September 11, 2001, one was a "traditional" simulated hijacking.[4] According to General Eberhart, after the first attack, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation.[5] Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S., were available to make rapid decisions.[6]

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-military-exercises-scheduled-for-september-11-2001

No mention of drones, much less hijacked airliner drones......

[Zep]

Nothing new though, I'm waiting to see, how crazy the next theory is. I mean...where do you go after Space Beams?Lessee...

Mind control?

Six thousand year old Earth ACTUALLY HAPPENED??!!1!!

Sylvia Browne really can see dead people? (And not just while she is showering...)

Six billion year old gigantor aliens get trapped in a volcano, and they are now taking over peoples' bodies and can only be removed by applying two AA cells, some cheap electronic gizmos and heaps of money? Ably assisted by some moronic flunky jumping on a couch while being interviewed on TV?

OMG!! It's all TRUE!

[Gravy]

Vigilant GuardianAnd at what time did Vigilant Guardian begin for NEADS on 9/11?

(cue Jeopardy theme music)

[beachnut]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity.

Let me guess:

You have to be seriously…retarded .... are completely and utterly ridiculous.

I’m sorry...

I... a wicked pseudo-intellectual buffoonery....

... you would piss on the graves of 911 families ....

Time to grow up, kids.



You seem to have the same IQ as PH

Go ahead guess, it looks like that is the best you can do, guess.

I think you are also as you say others are. Thank you

You should be sorry, nice post of zero facts. good job

I agree you are!

No you are the one being disrespectful! Your lack of facts prove you are the one.

Let me guess your IQ is under 80 when it comes to physics and real rational thought.

You watch Alex Jones and think he has good ideas!

That should sum up you intellectual expertise. Did I miss anything fact man.

[Wizard]

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-military-exercises-scheduled-for-september-11-2001

No mention of drones, much less hijacked airliner drones......

But a hijacjing drill was being run on that day which is the question Gravy was asking

[JFM]

"VIGILANT GUARDIAN

The exercise involves all HQ NORAD levels of command and is designed to exercise most aspects of the NORAD mission. One VG is scheduled each year and the length will vary depending on the exercise scenario and objectives."

[Dog Town]

Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S., were available to make rapid decisions.

Such a surprise, CT'ers always miss this! Hmm...

[defaultdotxbe]

now i see, this is actually a misrepresentation of mr. seely's article

‘‘Operation Vigilant Guardian,’’ a fourth drill, simulated hijacked planes.
During this event, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, a NORAD control and warning
officer, took the call from the Boston Center warning that it was tracking a
hijacked airliner. Her first words were, ‘‘It must be part of the exercise’’
(Seely, 2002).

here is what seel;y had to say about vigilant guardian:

Sept. 11 was Day II of "Vigilant Guardian," an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot.

here is the part on the hijacked planes:

At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane.

"It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought.

At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.


the article seems to indicate they made the transition from simulation to real world in under a minute

[defaultdotxbe]

But a hijacjing drill was being run on that day which is the question Gravy was asking
then name the drill

its not vigilant guardian
its not northern vigilance

[Gravy]

But a hijacjing drill was being run on that day which is the question Gravy was askingI repeat: at what time did Vigilant Guardian begin for NEADS on 9/11?

Jeopardy theme music is running.

[Wizard]

And at what time did Vigilant Guardian begin for NEADS on 9/11?

(cue Jeopardy theme music)

30 seconds after the first hijack was reported to them.

Now, my question is if they were running this drill and they were extra staffed and had anticipated such a scenario why was the response not faster?

[Dog Town]

I know it´s a littlebit late... :boxedin:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745874bc16d2d0.gif

Aww, thanks Ollie, next pilsner urquell's on me.

DT

[defaultdotxbe]

30 seconds after the first hijack was reported to them.

Now, my question is if they were running this drill and they were extra staffed and had anticipated such a scenario why was the response not faster?
faster compared to what?

BTW vigilant guardian was not a hijacking scenario

[Bell]

30 seconds after the first hijack was reported to them.

Now, my question is if they were running this drill and they were extra staffed and had anticipated such a scenario why was the response not faster?

The response -by your reasoning- must have been faster than light and time since you think they shot down UA93.

[T.A.M.]

Morph:

You take that long to reply, and all you give is a sales pitch for paranoia.

You really think you are gonna come in here, and convince skeptics to become paranoid?

Bring up one aspect of 9/11 that proves it was an inside job, in your opinion....just one. Then try to back it up with hard facts.

No better yet, for your own sake, take the advice of 28K...just back away from the forum...now while you have the chance.

TAM

[Dog Town]

The response -by your reasoning- must have been faster than light and time since you think they shot down UA93.

* SNAP *

[beachnut]

Ok 100 of them were you but the rest are still there.

We are all over there! Isn't everyone?

[Wizard]

The response -by your reasoning- must have been faster than light and time since you think they shot down UA93.

They had a long time to get 93.

[Gravy]

30 seconds after the first hijack was reported to them.

Now, my question is if they were running this drill and they were extra staffed and had anticipated such a scenario why was the response not faster?Um, no.

Vigilant Guardian was scheduled to begin at 9:00 EST. It had not begun when the first hijacking was reported. Major Nasypany of NEADS was out for a walk when he got word of the hijacking. His first thought was "Somebody started the exercise early." Major Nasypany helped to design the one and only hijacking drill – not involving actual aircraft – that was to be run later that day. You actually think that they got word of the real world hijacking and then decided to hold their exercises anyway?

Are you that naive, Wizard?

[Dog Town]

They had a long time to get 93.

O'RLY ? Enlighten us, please. Show your work!

DT

[Wizard]

faster compared to what?

BTW vigilant guardian was not a hijacking scenario


It had a hijacking scenario within it. Faster than they did react

[defaultdotxbe]

It had a hijacking scenario within it.
can you provide a source for this? your physics911 article didnt pan out
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/newhousenews012502.html

Faster than they did react
what are you basing this on? when has the military responded faster to hijacked jetliners?

[Wizard]

Um, no.

Vigilant Guardian was scheduled to begin at 9:00 EST. It had not begun when the first hijacking was reported. Major Nasypany of NEADS was out for a walk when he got word of the hijacking. His first thought was "Somebody started the exercise early." Major Naspany helped to design the one and only hijacking drill – not involving actual aircraft – that was to be run later that day. You actually think that they got word of the real world hijacking and then decided to hold their exercises anyway?

Are you that naive, Wizard?

I was being flippant but the point is that these drills are said to have confused responders within the airforce

[apathoid]

They had a long time to get 93.

How much time, exactly? How much time passed between NEADS first notification that airliners were being hijacked and UA93 crashing in PA?

More time than the Payne Stewart intercept?

[defaultdotxbe]

I was being flippant but the point is that these drills are said to have confused responders within the airforce
and according to this article (which i found because of you, thanks :) ) the confusion didnt seem to last very long
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/newhousenews012502.html

[Horatius]

Dog town have you seen how many JREFers are on the LC boards?

Is that counting actual JREFers, or are you including all the people they accuse of being JREFers, just because they fail to toe the CTist line?

[defaultdotxbe]

Is that counting actual JREFers, or are you including all the people they accuse of being JREFers, just because they fail to toe the CTist line?
actually a lot those seem to come here to see what the hubub is about and become regular posters, lol

[Gravy]

I was being flippant but the point is that these drills are said to have confused responders within the airforce
You made a claim. You were wrong. Now you have made another claim. You are wrong about that. Any doubt about the reality of the hijacking was cleared up within the first few seconds with the answer to the question "Is this real world or exercise?" Since "these drills" hadn't started for NEADS, it was really very simple to get on the right page.

Agreed, Wizard?

If so, then please retract your statement.

If not, then present your evidence to the contrary. You will be the first to do so.

Is that a reasonable proposition, Wizard?

[babazaroni]

Don't let him (it?) leave till he actually answers one (1) question. I don't even care which one. Just pick one! Any one!

He actually did respond to a query with its "It was an optical illusion (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2185532&highlight=optical#post2185532)"

[beachnut]

30 seconds after the first hijack was reported to them.

Now, my question is if they were running this drill and they were extra staffed and had anticipated such a scenario why was the response not faster?

Was this was the kook discussion? (very ironic)

So what would the standard response be?

Shoot down what ever moves?

Here is how long it took to figure out 9/11 for the whole country. Flight 93 passengers based on knowledge of the events at the WTC figured it out and took action!

I say with facts in hand that the action taken by flight 93 is the earliest anyone could have figured out 9/11; unless there had been some chance intersection with some of my old flying buddies from Moody AFB, we could have intervened on all of the planes and made the terrorist miss.

But we were not in the air, we were not next to the airliners.

But flight 93 passengers had the knowledge, the means and executed our first strike. Without a doubt, that is the time it takes to figure out 9/11 and stop a terrorist. Make a note of it!

You could look up that data, that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth; and come up with the time to defeat the 9/11 terrorist.

All of the CT world are a bunch of whining kids who are of the school of could of, would of , should of small minds unable to grasp the real world.

[Wizard]

You made a claim. You were wrong. Now you have made another claim. You are wrong about that. Any doubt about the reality of the hijacking was cleared up within the first few seconds with the answer to the question "Is this real world or exercise?" Since "these drills" hadn't started for NEADS, it was really very simple to get on the right page.

Agreed, Wizard?

If so, then please retract your statement.

If not, then present your evidence to the contrary. You will be the first to do so.

Is that a reasonable proposition, Wizard?

I made no claims. You asked for the name of one drill scheduled for 9/11 that involved a hijacking. I provided that name.

What claims have I made and what have I proved wrong about?

[Gravy]

How much time, exactly? How much time passed between NEADS first notification that airliners were being hijacked and UA93 crashing in PA?

More time than the Payne Stewart intercept?Since NEADS wasn't informed about 93 until after it crashed, I'd say they had very little time, unless they have a time-travel machine that I don't know about.

[ConspiRaider]

They had a long time to get 93.
But you said on another thread that you don't believe United 93 was shot down. Just this weekend, is when. Remember?

[Wizard]

You made a claim. You were wrong. Now you have made another claim. You are wrong about that. Any doubt about the reality of the hijacking was cleared up within the first few seconds with the answer to the question "Is this real world or exercise?" Since "these drills" hadn't started for NEADS, it was really very simple to get on the right page.

Agreed, Wizard?

If so, then please retract your statement.

If not, then present your evidence to the contrary. You will be the first to do so.

Is that a reasonable proposition, Wizard?

I have seen quotes in which they say they went from exercise to real world in 30 seconds. How could they go from exercise if the exercise had not started?

Im asking a question by the way, not making a claim

[Gravy]

I made no claims. You asked for the name of one drill scheduled for 9/11 that involved a hijacking. I provided that name.

What claims have I made and what have I proved wrong about?You made two false claims:

1) That hijacking drills were being run on 9/11

2) That such drills confused military defenders.

Agreed that you are wrong?

If so, please retract your claims. If not, present your evidence. You will be the first to do so.

Is that a reasonable proposition, Wizard?

[Bell]

Since NEADS wasn't informed about 93 until after it crashed, I'd say they had very little time, unless they have a time-travel machine that I don't know about.

And why would you need to know? Come on Gravy... :rolleyes:

[Gravy]

I have seen quotes in which they say they went from exercise to real world in 30 seconds. How could they go from exercise if the exercise had not started?

Im asking a question by the way, not making a claimThey were speaking about THINKING that it was part of an exercise, to KNOWING that it wasn't. Could have been a surprise early start to the exercise, right? To keep them on their toes. It wasn't. The exercises hadn't started.

There were no hijacking drills being run at NEADS.

There were no drills being run at all. The NEADS commanders had just ended their planning meeting for that day's drill when they got word of the hijacking of AA 11.

[DanKirby]

Since NEADS wasn't informed about 93 until after it crashed, I'd say they had very little time, unless they have a time-travel machine that I don't know about.

Probably not, the NWO higher-ups are pretty stingy about loaning it out.

[Wizard]

You made two false claims:

1) That hijacking drills were being run on 9/11

2) That such drills confused military defenders.

Agreed that you are wrong?

If so, please retract your claims. If not, present your evidence. You will be the first to do so.

Is that a reasonable proposition, Wizard?

1) is not false, you admitted a drill was scheduled for that day

2) you admitted it confused them for a very short period so that isn't false either

[Dog Town]

1) is not false, you admitted a drill was scheduled for that day

Pay attention!

Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S., were available to make rapid decisions.

[beachnut]

I was being flippant but the point is that these drills are said to have confused responders within the airforce

I was in the Air Force; we hate drills; when a real thing comes we move as fast as we can to get to the real world stuff; we drop the drill and are happy to do something real. Find a better fact to twist to fit the CT world of lies.

Debunked.

[Mercutio]

1) is not false, you admitted a drill was scheduled for that day

2) you admitted it confused them for a very short period so that isn't false either
For what it's worth, Gravy, I think that both of these are reasonable interpretations of the claims you attribute to Wizard.

1) "being run" would include both the planning and the actual operation, so they were "being run"--including the planning session--until word of the day's events came.

2) is a matter of length of time. 30 seconds would not have made a difference, but does not make the claim a lie.

I don't see that Wizard is wrong enough to retract, but I also don't see that the drills made more than 30 seconds difference. I would hope that Wizard would agree to those things. If not...

[Wizard]

For what it's worth, Gravy, I think that both of these are reasonable interpretations of the claims you attribute to Wizard.

1) "being run" would include both the planning and the actual operation, so they were "being run"--including the planning session--until word of the day's events came.

2) is a matter of length of time. 30 seconds would not have made a difference, but does not make the claim a lie.

I don't see that Wizard is wrong enough to retract, but I also don't see that the drills made more than 30 seconds difference. I would hope that Wizard would agree to those things. If not...

Agreed. I think Gravy is out of order to say i'm making false claims. I just responded to his question with a factual drill.

[ConspiRaider]

I was in the Air Force; we hate drills; when a real thing comes we move as fast as we can to get to the real world stuff; we drop the drill and are happy to do something real. Find a better fact to twist to fit the CT world of lies.

Debunked.
Well whaddya know. Same thing in the Navy. Nothing worse than War Games. Military shines are about the only ones who like 'em. Dumping out of War Games was always a particularly treasured treat.

[Hutch]

Maybe not false, wizard, but definiitely disingenious of you...


1) is not false, you admitted a drill was scheduled for that day

Indeed, but the drill was NOT RUNNING YET at NEADS. Not running means no drill was underway. Whatever had been planned for the day was of course cancelled the second 9-11 began.

ETA: Merc makes a reasonable comment, but that was the upper management; the folks who were on the floor were probably just waiting patiently for the exercise to start..until real life landed on their desks.


2) you admitted it confused them for a very short period so that isn't false either

Indeed, those 30-60 seconds to establish that "this is no drill" prevented NORAD from stopping the aircraft...not.

Wizard, somewhere in thissubforum gumboot did a marvelous case study of the communications and timelines for the civilian Air Traffic Control, NORAD, the fighters at Otis and Langley, and the aircraft hijacks. I'd find it but its' closing in on my bedtime, so I'll leave that as an exercise for the student...

And Morph, I'm 53 and willing to bet a tattered Egyptian pound I'm older (53) and probably more well-travelled (23 time zones and 4 years living in the Gulf region) than you; being condescending will win you few arguments here...not that you're likely to anyway, given the dubious quality of your initial posts.

[DarkMagician]

And all concentrated in a single sub-forum...

Makes me itch.

*scratches*

...

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

[Gravy]

Agreed. I think Gravy is out of order to say i'm making false claims. I just responded to his question with a factual drill.No, you responded to my question with a false statement:
But a hijacjing drill was being run on that day which is the question Gravy was asking
Do you understand, Wizard? Your statement is false because no hijacking drill was being run on that day.

Do you agree with me or not?

If not, I suggest that you read this Vanity Fair article before continuing your willful obtuseness: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608

[Dog Town]

Agreed. I think Gravy is out of order to say i'm making false claims. I just responded to his question with a factual drill.

But you were responding to this statement, Gravy was challenging

Morph
As with the events of 7/7, on the day of 911 there were “war games” “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred. The odds of this being a “coincidence” are astronomical. (You know, stars and stuff?)


Or did you not read the thread first?

ETA: See Gravy took it.

[Morphology]

Wow. I’m starting to believe in the incompetence theory by sheer virtue of reading this forum. My romantic view of human nature has been changed utterly. People really are stupid.

I urged you dolts to use Google but you didn’t listen. A simple search provides the following:

[build up]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sometime between 1991 and 2001, a regional sector of the North American Aerospace Defense Command simulated a foreign hijacked airliner crashing into a building in the United States as part of training exercise scenario, a NORAD spokesman said Monday.

"Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft," the statement said. "These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures."

[A carpet of gold – or bombs]

"Obviously, the war against Afghanistan was planned for quite some time. We know for a fact that it had been war-gamed by the Pentagon going back to 1997. Right around September 11, two US Aircraft carrier task forces conveniently arrived in the Persian Gulf right at the same time on "rotation." Obviously, preplanned. Just before September 11, the UK had put together what was billed as the "largest armada since the Falklands War" and had it steaming towards Oman, where now 23,000 UK troops are on maneuvers. This had been planned for at least 3 years. Also, the US "Bright Star" operation is currently going on in Egypt. 23,000 US troops plus an additional 17,000 from NATO and its associates. This had been planned at least two years ago. Finally, NATO just landed 12,000 troops into Turkey. This had been planned for at least two years. It is obvious that we are seeing an operational War Plan being executed here that had been in the works for at least the past four years. September 11 is either a pretext or a trigger or both."

Here was an exercise which included many of the elements which were put into practice on 9/11. Amalgam Virgo thus provided the witting putschists with a perfect cover for conducting the actual live fly components of 9/11 through a largely non-witting military bureaucracy. Under the cover of this confusion, the most palpably subversive actions could be made to appear in the harmless and even beneficial guise of a drill."

[the war games of 911]

On September 11, 2001, the Air Force was in its second day of annual wargame drills, titled VIGILANT GUARDIAN, designed to test national air response systems, which incidentally involved hijacking scenarios. In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated...

Art Haubold told UPI, “It was just a coincidence. It wasn't an anti-terrorism exercise. It was an emergency response exercise. It was just a strange coincidence”.

Why was the NRO sending home personnel during what was likely the biggest military crisis on American soil in recent history? Who were the “most essential” personnel and what did those individuals do as events unfolded?

"It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought.
At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.
- "Amid Crisis Simulation, 'We Were Suddenly No-Kidding Under Attack'"

"Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told.

The National Law Enforcement and Security Institute will be holding a conference called "Homeland Security: America's Leadership Challenge" in Chicago on 6 Sept 2002. The star speaker is Rudolph Giuliani. One of the other speakers is CIA man John Fulton. Here is the crucial sentence from the promotional literature for the conference:

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building.

Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11
Associated Press
August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Regrettably the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised," said Gen. Ralph Eberhart, commander of NORAD.

[77 drills]

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants , which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

[I mean re—hee-heely. How ****ing gullible do you have to be? For a group of alleged skeptics you evidence incredible -- I repeat -- absolutely astonishing credulity. If I was a gubmint official I could sell you clowns anything. Say: I have some prime real estate on the moon. Care to buy?

KEAN: Three questions, then I know the general has to leave.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Ask about the war games that were planned for 9/11.

KEAN: Commissioner Gorelick?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Tell us about the 9/11 war games.

GORELICK: Could you please be quiet? We have only a few minutes with General Myers, and I'd like to ask a question. General Myers, the -- I'm sorry.

KEAN: I would ask please people in the audience to be quiet if you want to stay here.

Just don't get me started on the "Dancing Israelis".

"We were there to document the event".

Were you then.

[Dog Town]

I urged you dolts to use Google but you didn’t listen.

Really...

[David Wong]

His childish insults have convinced me!

[PerryLogan]

Logan's Law: the stupider the conspiracy nut, the smarter he thinks he is.

[beachnut]

Wow. I’m starting to believe in the incompetence theory by sheer virtue of reading this forum. My romantic view of human nature has been changed utterly. People really are stupid.

I urged you dolts to use Google but you didn’t listen. A simple search provides the following:

Were you then.

Making the statement urge you to use Google; make you the dolt young man.

Are you Alex Jones. You seem like an 81 IQ, so you can't be Alex Jones. Are you?

[Dog Town]

Logan's Law: the stupider the conspiracy nut, the smarter he thinks he is.

Next time I get to Austin were having some beers! My tab.

[Gravy]

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking exercises were being run on 9/11 that simulated what actually happened that day.

If you read the posts on the last two pages you will see that you are wrong.

If you disagree, please provide your evidence. You will be the first person, ever, to do so, and I promise you that your evidence will make front-page news.

Knock yourself out.

[beachnut]

Do all of the CTers start in on the J word?

[geggy]

Otis air force base, langley air force base and andrew air force base all had several fighter jets deployed to engage in drills during the time of the attacks, which may have minimize the necessary equipments needed for real world hijacking scenrios and reduce the chance of intercepting hijacked airliners.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=militaryExercises

[DarkMagician]

Wow. I’m starting to believe in the incompetence theory by sheer virtue of reading this forum. My romantic view of human nature has been changed utterly. People really are stupid.

...but enough about yourself[/leno]

I urged you dolts to use Google but you didn’t listen. A simple search provides the following:
What, can't even give us links?


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sometime between 1991 and 2001, a regional sector of the North American Aerospace Defense Command simulated a foreign hijacked airliner crashing into a building in the United States as part of training exercise scenario, a NORAD spokesman said Monday.
A crash is not equivalent to using the hijacked planes as weapons.

"Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft," the statement said. "These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures."
Have any proof that these planes are the same as the crash simulations?


[-snip of unsourced material-]
Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11
Associated Press
August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a [B]simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Regrettably the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised," said Gen. Ralph Eberhart, commander of NORAD.
Emphasis mine. This is not helping your case.


[Alex Jones Tripe]


Alex Jones takes liberties with reality. Like his declaration that Ben Chertoff is a cousin of Michael Chertoff, when the information he was given shows an unknown relationship, if any.


[I mean re—hee-heely. How ****ing gullible do you have to be? For a group of alleged skeptics you evidence incredible -- I repeat -- absolutely astonishing credulity. If I was a gubmint official I could sell you clowns anything. Say: I have some prime real estate on the moon. Care to buy?

Stop talking about your own movement in the second person.


KEAN: Three questions, then I know the general has to leave.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Ask about the war games that were planned for 9/11.

KEAN: Commissioner Gorelick?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Tell us about the 9/11 war games.

GORELICK: Could you please be quiet? We have only a few minutes with General Myers, and I'd like to ask a question. General Myers, the -- I'm sorry.

KEAN: I would ask please people in the audience to be quiet if you want to stay here.

The holy order of Ignoratio Elenchi fails to turn a common questioning into a service.

Just don't get me started on the "Dancing Israelis".

"We were there to document the event".

Were you then.

...and it's not going to work here.

[Morphology]

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking exercises were being run on 9/11 that simulated what actually happened that day

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”. You admit this, correct? If that isn’t enough to get your brain cells functioning, if that isn’t enough to make you glance at the 101 other anomalies of that day, you’re beyond hope. Admittedly, the 77 bombings were much more specific: they had the time, the place, the modus operandi. Spot on match.

Apparently some people think we need a signed confession by Dick Cheney in order to have a new investigation. Most 911 family members view the event as an inside job. They want a new investigation. Who the **** are you to deny them this “luxury”?

Every bombing attributed to “Al-Qaeda” is infested with intelligence links. You know that as well as I. Just as Oswald told a would-be jailer “call the FBI” – and was thence released – so did the alleged mastermind of the “Al-Qaeda” bombings in Africa when he was detained by Canadian police. Recently, a German associate of Atta claimed CIA and was also released from prison.

It’s not rocket science.

I’m not asking people to accept any and all theories with respect 911. But unless you have the IQ of your average juvenile chimp, you MUST accept the fact that the official story is full of holes. Indeed, it is ********.

The whole thing is rather obvious, and only a willfully ignorant stooge or completely brainwashed moron would say otherwise.

[Pardalis]

So you agree that these planes were hijacked by Muslim extremists geggy?

[Pardalis]

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”.

I would need to see your evidence for that.

The whole thing is rather obvious, and only a willfully ignorant stooge or completely brainwashed moron would say otherwise.

Insults are going to lead you nowhere.

[David Wong]

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking
The whole thing is rather obvious, and only a willfully ignorant stooge or completely brainwashed moron would say otherwise.

I'd better agree with your position, or else I'm admitting I'm a moron! This makes me not pay attention to your evidence and instead makes me agree as a way to preserve my self-esteem!

[defaultdotxbe]

Otis air force base, langley air force base and andrew air force base all had several fighter jets deployed to engage in drills during the time of the attacks, which may have minimize the necessary equipments needed for real world hijacking scenrios and reduce the chance of intercepting hijacked airliners.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=militaryExercises
if the drills didnt take place how many alert fighters would each base have had?

[DarkMagician]

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking exercises were being run on 9/11 that simulated what actually happened that day

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”. You admit this, correct?Morph, you're making a connection that is not there. Hindsight is 20/20, and all that. Things are only glaringly obvious if they've happened before. I doubt they would have made that connection before 9/11.

[ConspiRaider]

Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11
Associated Press
August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Regrettably the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised," said Gen. Ralph Eberhart, commander of NORAD.
You vomit up a hodgepodge assortment of gobbledygook on your little CT screen concerning 9/11 and expect to be taken seriously? This garbage you posted is all it took to convince you of an inside job? THIS IS IT?!?

By the way: Since you can speak so well about how the government operates, you must therefore list out your positions held in government service, how long in each, how many cumulative years you have accrued in experience. Things like that. We'd like to know. Actually we insist.

Your above snippet. Tell us all how a simulated corporate jet crash (due to mechanical failure) into a building relates in any way to - oh, let's say, the collapse of Building 7. Or of WTCs 1 and 2. Or Flight 93's actions, intended and otherwise. Or Flight 77 being rammed into the Pentagon at more than 400 MPH with the intention of murder and destruction.

Think you can handle that? And don't forget your government resume, because - GOSH - you know so much and we just want to behold the proof of experience that led you to the attainment of such awesome knowledge...

[Dog Town]

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”.
Not in the same excercise!

[beachnut]

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking exercises were being run on 9/11 that simulated what actually happened that day

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”. You admit this, correct? If that isn’t enough to get your brain cells functioning, if that isn’t enough to make you glance at the 101 other anomalies of that day, you’re beyond hope. Admittedly, the 77 bombings were much more specific: they had the time, the place, the modus operandi. Spot on match.

Apparently some people think we need a signed confession by Dick Cheney in order to have a new investigation. Most 911 family members view the event as an inside job. They want a new investigation. Who the **** are you to deny them this “luxury”?

Every bombing attributed to “Al-Qaeda” is infested with intelligence links. You know that as well as I. Just as Oswald told a would-be jailer “call the FBI” – and was thence released – so did the alleged mastermind of the “Al-Qaeda” bombings in Africa when he was detained by Canadian police. Recently, a German associate of Atta claimed CIA and was also released from prison.

It’s not rocket science.

I’m not asking people to accept any and all theories with respect 911. But unless you have the IQ of your average juvenile chimp, you MUST accept the fact that the official story is full of holes. Indeed, it is ********.

The whole thing is rather obvious, and only a willfully ignorant stooge or completely brainwashed moron would say otherwise.

I think you are writing about yourself; you are right?

When will the facts fly? Are you ready like Charlie Sheen to debate anyone on the facts you will never have?

[beachnut]

This place is overflowing with kooks.

Must be a small room he is in! FACT1

Need 9 more facts to prove his theory!

[Crungy]

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking exercises were being run on 9/11 that simulated what actually happened that day

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”. You admit this, correct? If that isn’t enough to get your brain cells functioning, if that isn’t enough to make you glance at the 101 other anomalies of that day, you’re beyond hope. Admittedly, the 77 bombings were much more specific: they had the time, the place, the modus operandi. Spot on match.

Apparently some people think we need a signed confession by Dick Cheney in order to have a new investigation. Most 911 family members view the event as an inside job. They want a new investigation. Who the **** are you to deny them this “luxury”?

Every bombing attributed to “Al-Qaeda” is infested with intelligence links. You know that as well as I. Just as Oswald told a would-be jailer “call the FBI” – and was thence released – so did the alleged mastermind of the “Al-Qaeda” bombings in Africa when he was detained by Canadian police. Recently, a German associate of Atta claimed CIA and was also released from prison.

It’s not rocket science.

I’m not asking people to accept any and all theories with respect 911. But unless you have the IQ of your average juvenile chimp, you MUST accept the fact that the official story is full of holes. Indeed, it is ********.

The whole thing is rather obvious, and only a willfully ignorant stooge or completely brainwashed moron would say otherwise.


Logan's Law: the stupider the conspiracy nut, the smarter he thinks he is.

We have a winner! If anyone knows the address to his mother's basement we can award him his prize.

[Morphology]

LMAO

young indy, also known as "conspiracy rader" -- what think you of the dancing Israelies?

A good time all round?

Face it: you're a stupid little whore. You can't explain the dancing Israelis because you're a tiny, tiny little man. lol.

People are focussing on the war games. That's positive. What you forget is that there are hundreds of other anomolies which support my position but debunk yours. In other words, you're screwed.

Let's hear it, kid. What of the dancing Isralies?

*consumes popcorn, laughs out loud.

Morphology, stop personalizing the issues.

[JamesB]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity.

Let me guess: Operation Gladio (revealed in a series of Italian parliamentary investigations) was an “honest mistake”. That Nato intelligence and the ÇIA organized a “stay behind network” after WWII comprised of fascists who proceeded to blow up train stations and blame it on socialists was an “aberration”. That the Russian FSB was caught planting bombs in a building in order to demonize Chechnyians was a bizarre freak of nature. That Israelis were caught blowing up American and British targets in Egypt and trying to pin the blame on the “Moslem Brotherhood” was an unfortunate tactical error. That Hitler faked an attack on a German radio station and blamed it on Poles was a distinctly Hitlerian phenomenon. That the Gulf of Tonkin incident was similarly staged was a fantastical coincidence.





Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who refers to "Chechyians", especially if they then start quoting Russian nihilists.

[Oliver]

Where can i find the footage of these young,
stupid, dancing teenagers on 9/11? Never saw
the footage and it´s not on G-V or YouTube...

[DarkMagician]

LMAO

young indy, also known as "conspiracy rader" -- what think you of the dancing Israelies?

A good time all round?

Relevance, please?


Face it: you're a stupid little whore. You can't explain the dancing Israelis because you're a tiny, tiny little man. lol.

Aaah, armchair dianetics. I call sock.

[Mercutio]

What you forget is that there are hundreds of other anomolies which support my position but debunk yours.
List these, please. Hundreds? I'll make it easy--list a couple dozen.

[Morphology]

Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who refers to "Chechyians", especially if they then start quoting Russian nihilists."

Interesting. Bakunin started as a nihilist but ended an anarchist. At least we have one semi-intelligent individual on board. I stress semi.

[Wizard]

List these, please. Hundreds? I'll make it easy--list a couple dozen.

Take a look at killtowns 200+ smoking guns

[Morphology]

"Aaah, armchair dianetics. I call sock"

Clever but silly. There comes a time when noble individuals can''t help but speak the truth. Clearly you're not there yet.

[Dog Town]

People are focussing on the war games

Pardon?

[DarkMagician]

"Aaah, armchair dianetics. I call sock"

Clever but silly. There comes a time when noble individuals can''t help but speak the truth. Clearly you're not there yet.

Could you please stop talking about yourself in the second person?

[Wizard]

List these, please. Hundreds? I'll make it easy--list a couple dozen.

Here you go:



PLANNED BEFORE / FUTURE IDEAS (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#plans)


1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods', a plan to commit terror acts in US cities, kill innocent people, hijack airplanes, and plant evidence as a way to trick the public into thinking Cuba committed an unprovoked attack against the US in order to support a war against Cuba. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#March13,1962-Operation_Northwoods) (ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1), Natl Security Archives (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/))
March '00 - Filming begins for The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode that depicts a US plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into WTC and blame foreign terrorists to provoke war and increase military's budget (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#March20,2000-LoneGunmen_filming) (KC Star), March '01 - 'Pilot' episode airs on FOX TV, 6 months before attacks (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#March4,2001-LoneGunmen_Pilot) (TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/default.htm?rmDate=06212002&cmsGuid={E6EC6806-5962-447A-BB59-920F85DAB911}&cmsRedir=true)), Lone Gunmen co-producer hopes WTC attack wasn't 'somehow inspired' by anything they did. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#March21,2005-Frank_Spotnitz) (KC Star)


PRIOR KNOWLEDGE / PREPARATION (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#prior_knowledge)
1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1999-NORAD_exercises) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm)), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#April2001-NORAD_exercise) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/04/14/pentagon_crash_too_unrealistic/))
Oct '00 - Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#October24,2000-MASCAL_excercise) (Army (http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html))
June '01 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts because of a 'threat assessment'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#June2001-Ashcroft_stops_flying) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml))
June '01 - Terrorist act exercise involving an explosion is conducted near the Pentagon to test first team's 'external response.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#June29,2001-MASCAL_Ft_Belvoir) (Military District of Washington (http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Exercise_tests_Belvoirs_first_responders.html))
July '01 - Twin 400 ft gas tanks near WTC are imploded by Controlled Demolition Inc. who will later do clean-up at Ground Zero. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July15,2001-CDI_Maspeth_tanks_demo) (Queens Gazette (http://www.qgazette.com/News/2001/0718/Front_Page/007.html), Phillyblast (http://www.phillyblast.com/benthere.htm))
Aug '01 - Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#August25,2001-Raytheon) (Der Spiegel (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/derspiegel102801.html), Raytheon (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=683193&TICK=RTN3&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2001/0001582324&EDATE=Oct+1,+2001))
Sept '01 - 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for 'Operation Swift Sword' and will help US in attacking OBL. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September2001-Operation_Swift_Sword) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1012044.stm), Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/01/wmil101.xml))
Sept 3 - Author Salman Rushdie given US air ban. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September3,2001-Rushdie_banned) (Ananova (http://web.archive.org/web/20011112070933/http:/www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_409236.html))
Sept 4 - An Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September4,2001-Zim-American) (Virginian-Pilot (http://www.geesgroup.com/past_zimamerican_article.html), Real Estate Weekly (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3601/is_15_48/ai_80776351))
Sept 5 - US pulls the plug on Muslim websites days before 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September5,2001-Muslim_websites) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,549590,00.html), BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1530361.stm))
Sept 7 - Jeb Bush puts the Florida National Guard on alert (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September7,2001-Jeb_Bush) (WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25051), MyFlorida.com (http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html)), Sept 10-11 - President Bush is in FL, state that controversially handed him 2000 presidency (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Bush_in_Florida) (Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/16/wbush16.xml)), 9/11 - Jeb Bush declares state of emergency in FL immediately after 2nd tower fell (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Jeb_Bush_declares) (WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25051)), A (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September16,2001-hijackers_Florida)t least 15 of the 19 hijackers have Florida ties. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September16,2001-hijackers_Florida) (Augusta Chronicle (http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/091601/ter_124-7402.shtml))
Sept 8 - Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September8,2001-Marines_move) (Leatherneck (http://www.mca-marines.org/Leatherneck/nov01pentagonarch.htm))
Sept 8 - Mock drill at Buffalo Niagara Airport simulated terrorists blowing up an aircraft containing 82 passengers and some of the participants will help at Ground Zero after 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September8,2001-Buffalo_airport_drill) (Univ Buffalo (http://wings.buffalo.edu/academic/department/medicine/emed800/phcare/Html/ap_drill.html), Highland Hose Volunteer Fire (http://www.highlandhose.com/memorial.htm))
Sept 10 - FEMA rescuer Tom Kenney says he was deployed to NYC late Monday night before going into action Tuesday morning, the day of the attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-FEMA_arrived) (CBS video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRQNCkdJxA))
Sept 10 - Group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of 'security concerns'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Pentagon_officials) (Newsweek)
Sept 10 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning 8 hours before attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Willie_Brown) (SF Chronicle (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL))
9/11 - Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Fort_Belvoir) (Connection Newspapers (http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?archive=true&article=9181&paper=69&cat=104))
9/11 - An airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Fort_Myer_exercise) (MDW (http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Belvoir_firefighter_among_first_responders.html), DC Military (http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_44/local_news/11746-1.html))
9/11 - E (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Odigo_warned)mployees at Israeli instant messaging company Odigo received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Odigo_warned) (Haaretz (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744), Washington Post (http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries3.htm))
9/11 - Donald Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:44am-Rumsfeld_1st_prediction) (Fayetteville Observer (http://search.fayettevillenc.com/cgi-bin/search/display-online.pl?id=13550)), later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:35am-Rumsfeld_2nd_prediction) (Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/16/wbush16.xml))
9/11 - White House staff given Cipro, a full month before first cases of anthrax reported. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WhiteHouse_cipro) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm))
9/11 - President Bush's cousin escaped death from the WTC thanks to a 'schedule change' the night before. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Jim_Pierce) (Ananova (http://web.archive.org/web/20011114215931/http:/www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_401406.html))
9/11 - Fiduciary Trust, located in the south WTC, had scheduled an emergency drill for the day. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Fiduciary_Trust_drill) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/nyregion/31cnd-tapes.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=09348674a8389597&ex=1144728000))
9/11 - Larry Silverstein is absent from his office on the North Tower's 88th floor because of a 'doctors appointment' along with his two kids who are 'running late'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#silverstein_absent) (NY Magazine (http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/realestate/urbandev/features/11718/index.html), NY Observer)
Sept 12 - FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September12,2001-Operation_TRIPOD) (9/11 Panel (http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing11/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-05-19.pdf), NYC.gov (http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/other/sub_news_pages/tripod05_22_02.html))

DECOYING / STAND DOWN (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#decoying)
Sept 9 - NORAD conducts operation 'Northern Vigilance,' planned months in advance, which deploys fighter jets to Alaskan region. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September9,2001-Northern_Vigilance) (NORAD (http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.news_rel_09_09_01), Toronto Star)
9/11 - Three F-16 jetfighters from Andrews AFB, 15 miles from Pentagon, are flown 180 miles away for training mission in the morning. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#F16s_AndrewsAFB) (Aviation Week (http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?view=story&id=news/aw090971.xml))
9/11 - Andrews AFB, home to DC Air National Guard and Air Force 1 & 2, had no jetfighters on alert. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Andrews_AFB_unprepared) (Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/ny-uspent122362159sep12.story), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/16/military-home-front.htm))
9/11 - US intel agency planned exercise in the morning to simulate plane crash into government building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:00am-CIA_exercise) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-08-22-sept-11-plane-drill-_x.htm))
9/11 - NORAD was running war game called 'Vigilant Guardian' in which the commander in charge thought first hijacking was "part of the exercise." (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Vigilant_Guardian) (Aviation Week (http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor.htm), NY Observer)
9/11 - FAA bans takeoffs at 9:26 am for all civilian, military, or law enforcement aircraft (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:26am-FAA_grounded) (FAA (http://www1.faa.gov/newsroom/factsheets/2002/factsheets_020812.htm), Time (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,174912,00.html))
9/11 - A simulated aircraft hijacking was scheduled for the morning by NORAD. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:40am-NORAD_hijack_drill) (Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01))
9/11 - Shoot-down authorization not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 crashed. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#10:31am-NORAD_shootdown_order) (9/11 Panel (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.htm), Seattle Post (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/123524_terror24.html))
Feb '05 - Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers confirm there were total of four war games on 9/11 from Rep. McKinney questioning. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#February11,2005-CSPAN_wargames) (C-SPAN)

WTC ATTACK (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#wtc)
Jan '01 - Frank De Martini, deceased Mgr of WTC Construction & Project Mgmt, says in documentary before 9/11 that he believes WTC towers could sustain multiple hits from large jetliners, comparing it to poking a pencil through mosquito netting. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#January25,2001-Frank_DeMartini) (WTC-A Modern Marvel,DVD Talk (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/print.php?ID=3734))
July '01 - WTC landlord leased the entire WTC complex 6 six weeks before attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July2001-Silverstein_lease) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2003/09/03/september11/whoswho571456_0_6_person.shtml), Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041206-103129-7334r.htm))
Twin Towers were hated, poorly designed money-losers subsides by the State and weren't torn down before because of expensive asbestos removal in which 9/11 benefited the owners by efficiently destroying the complex in a way that they didn't have to pay for any of it. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September12,2001-WTC_was_hated) (Baltimore Sun (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/baltsun/access/80432234.html?dids=80432234:80432234&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Sep+12%2C+2001&author=ARTHUR+HIRSCH&pub=The+Sun&desc=Loved%2C+hated%2C+center%27s+profile+was+towe ring), Salon (http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/09/17/wtc_obit/index.html), Front Page (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=1229))
Sept 6 - WTC officials recently took steps to secure towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September6,2001-WTC_security) (Newsday (http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/wtc/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,6794009.story))
T (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September6,2001-WTC_security)wo week heightened security alert at WTC is lifted and bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed days before 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September6,2001-WTC_security) (Newsday (http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/wtc/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,6794009.story))
Occupant in WTC says weeks before attacks they had "unusual" amount of evacuations from WTC and says he thinks "they had an inkling something was going on." (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September12,2001-Ben_Fountain) (People (http://web.archive.org/web/20010914230312/http:/people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-5,00.html))
Sept 10 - The roofs at the WTC are closed. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-WTC_roof_closed) (911DigitalArchive (http://911digitalarchive.org/photograph/details/1870)) 9/11 - Exit doors to the WTC's roofs are locked, preventing people to escape on to the roof. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_roof_locked) (NIST (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1Draft.pdf))
9/11 - A Fiduciary Trust CEO from the South WTC is invited to early morning charity event at Offutt AFB hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted to TV by military officers and sees 2nd plane crash into her offices. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Warren_Buffett) (Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/1015/070_print.html), SF Business Times (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2002/02/04/story3.html))
9/11 - A missile was reportedly launched from the Woolworth Building near the WTC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:06am-Woolworth_missile) (NIST (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-81.pdf), WNBC (http://www.wnbc.com/news/2439367/detail.html), NY Daily (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/113055p-102094c.html))
9/11 - Rudy Giuliani says he was told South WTC was going to collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Giuliani_ABC) (ABC video) July '05 - Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani was near the London Blasts. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#July7,2005-Giuliani_London_blasts) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4661409.stm))
Company hired to help clean up Ground Zero is control demolition experts, Controlled Demolition Inc. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September22,2001-CDI_plan) (Waste Age (http://sept11.wasteage.com/ar/waste_construction_company_proposes/))
Preliminary tests show steel quality did not contribute to twin towers' collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#August27,2003-steel_tests) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/08/28/steel_type_in_wtc_met_standards_group_says?mode=PF ), Pittsburg Live (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/terrorism/s_152121.html))
Oct '04 - Fire in 56-story Venezuelan skyscraper spreads over 26 floors and burns for over 17 hours, but does not collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October19,2004-Caracas_inferno) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/18/world/main649824.shtml))
WTC Ground Zero workers claim they helped FBI find 3 of the 4 black boxes from planes that struck WTC, contradicting official accounts that none were found. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October28,2004-WTC_blackboxes) (Philadelphia Daily News (http://web.archive.org/web/20041030023935/http:/www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/10033802.htm))

Bombs, flashes, other explosions <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">EMT Jeff Birnbaum near the South Tower says he heard an eerie high-pitched noise and a 'popping sound' then an explosion before the top of the tower leaned toward him and started coming down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (CEE News (http://september11.ceenews.com/ar/electric_broadway_electrical_supplys/))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firefighter Louie Cacchioli in elevator going to 24th floor hears a bomb go off and thinks bombs were set in the building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (People (http://web.archive.org/web/20010914235843/people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-3,00.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firefighter Edward Cachia says the South Tower gave at a lower floor then where the plane hit because they thought there was internal explosions going off from hearing successions of 'boom, boom, boom, boom' before the tower came down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Cachia_Edward.txt))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Fire Captain Karin Deshore says there was orange and red flashes followed by explosions that were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the WTC 2. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (SF Gate (http://sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10/ga_karin_deshore.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tom Elliott on 67th floor floor in WTC 2 felt explosion below him as plane hit, firemen going up told him of an explosion near 60th floor. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (CS Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0917/p1s1-usgn.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Commissioner Stephen Gregory along with a Lieutenant Evangelista from Ladder 146 say they both saw multiple flashes coming from the lower level of the WTC 2 right before it collapsed and mentions the flashes they saw are like what you'd see when they 'blow up a building.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Nadine Keller from her balcony in Soho, NY says she 'heard the bomb' before she saw the buildings collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">EMT Joseph Lovero reports hearing 'additional explosions' to dispatcher. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (WNBC (http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Edmund McNally phoned his wife from 97th floor of WTC 2 following the plane crash, says he heard explosions below him. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/nyregion/26STOWER.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=226620074d77467e&ex=1137733200))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mike Pecoraro and co-worker hear a loud explosion in WTC 1 basement and believes a bomb went off after seeing major damage to the basement floors. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Mike_Pecoraro) (Chief Engineer (http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Janitor William Rodriguez in WTC 1 basement hears explosion below him, then the plane crash above him seconds later, then saw severely burnt man come out of basement elevator. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:46am-Rodriguez_explosion) (CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/new.york.terror/))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Teresa Veliz on the 47th floor of the WTC 1 feels the building shake again more violently then the shaking from the 1st crash and hears explosions going off everywhere inside the building and also hears explosions when she was outside that she was convinced bombs were 'planted all over the place' and that someone was 'sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (September 11: An Oral History)
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kim White from 80th floor of WTC 1 hears an explosion near the 74th floor. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (People (http://web.archive.org/web/20010914235827/people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-1,00.html)|2 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010914235840/people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-2,00.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Witnesses reported hearing another explosion just before WTC 1 collapse, police said collapse looked almost like a 'planned implosion' designed to 'catch bystanders watching from the street.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,600839,00.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Third explosion reported at WTC 2 and part of the tower collapses afterward. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC2_3rd_explosion) (TCM News (http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/11/story23301.asp), TCM News (http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/11/story23302.asp))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Group of firemen discussing the collapse of WTC 2 said how each floor was pooping out as by being 'detonated' as if 'they had planned to take down a building'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (9/11 - The Filmmakers' Edit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEuDeU4IZjE))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A member of the FDNY says when trying to get some people out that there was 'secondary explosions' and then subsequent collapses. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (11 News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVYAPhhMKqw))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A FDNY Firefighter says as he was getting his gear on and making his way to the stairway, there was a 'heavy duty explosion'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (CBS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8RgEHw6p4))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">MSNBC Reporter Ann Thompson says at 10:30 when she got outside the building she heard a 'second explosion' and 'another rumble' then ran inside for cover when a fire marshal said they had to leave because if there was a third explosion the building might not last. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToXTufCL5Q))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">NBC's Pat Dawson reports that the chief of safety of the FDNY told him that he received word of another bomb going off and when he tried to get his men out he said that there was another explosion which took place and thinks there were devices that were planted in the building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (NBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHluIkUycA))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Eyewitness speaking in a studio interview says he was about five blocks away when he heard three explosions and turned around to see the building he just got out of collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (Studio interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApOt3jdn28A))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">An injured witness to one of the towers collapsing said it sounded like 'gunfire' and then all of a sudden he heard 'three big explosions'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (News interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NasentrtxdQ))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">NBC's Rick Sanchez reports that police have evacuated an area around the WTC because of a 'suspicious device' thought to be a bomb and say they think a van with explosives in it went off inside the WTC and fear that bombs have been planted in, or nearby the buildings. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdrUMfax8I))
BBC's Stephen Evans reports there was a big explosion from 'much, much lower' in the WTC from where the plane crashed. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC_witnesses_bombs) (BBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUQfRoA0n40))

WTC 7 (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#wtc7) <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">9/11 - 6:47am, WTC 7's fire alarm is placed on 8 hr 'test' mode which any alarms received are ignored (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#6:47am-WTC7_fire_alarm). (NIST (http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/chapter1.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">WTC landlord Larry Silverstein says he gets a call from a fire chief about the WTC 7 and he recommends to him to 'pull it' and after they 'decided to pull,' they all watched the 7 collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Silverstein_pull) (PBS video (http://killtown.911review.org/video/wtc7/wtc7_pullit.wmv))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A medical student watching the WTC 7 hears a clap of thunder, sees a shockwave rippling through it and windows bust out, then sees the bottom floor cave out followed by the rest of the building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#NYU_med_student_WTC7) (1010 WINS video@1:22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">WTC 7 becomes first steel high-rise building in history to collapse due to mostly fire. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#November30,2001-WTC7_fire) (Chicago Tribune (http://web.archive.org/web/20020214182921/http:/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0111290236nov29.story), Stanford Report (http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2001/december5/wtc-125.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The collapse of the 47 story WTC 7 skyscraper hardly gets any media attention. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#5:20pm-WTC7_collapses) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/29/nyregion/29TOWE.html?ex=1115092800&en=389855dfb7f35e3e&ei=5070&oref=login))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">WTC 7 debris was removed without investigators having the chance to examine it at the scene to help determine the cause of failure. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC7_wreckage_moved) (History Channel (http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=58))
FEMA report concludes specifics of WTC 7 fires and how they caused it to collapse remain unknown and call for further investigation and also says the facade was 'pulled downward', suggesting an internal failure and 'implosion'. (http://killtown.911review.org/wtc7/archive/fema_403.html#5.6.2) (FEMA (http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf))

Rescuers told and waited around for collapse <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A Ground Zero rescuers mentions that the WTC 7 will be 'coming down soon' as he walks away from the area. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (CNN video@2:20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A Ground Zero rescuers tells people they are walking away from the WTC 7 because it's about to 'blow up'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (CNN video@2:25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Captain Chris Boyle says 'they' said WTC 7 is coming down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (Firehouse Magazine (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firefighter Marcel Claes says he was kept away from WTC 7 because of the 'potential of collapse'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (Firehouse Magazine (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/claes.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Deputy Chief Peter Hayden says that by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon 'we realized' WTC 7 was going to collapse. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (Firehouse Magazine (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firefighter Scott Holowach says he and his crew were just 'hanging out' until tower WTC 7 came down and went right to work to put the 7's fires out. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (NY Times (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110114.PDF))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Battalion Chief John Norman says 'they’re telling us' that WTC 7 is going to fall down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (Firehouse Magazine (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norman.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Paramedic Steven Pilla says he and his crew didn't do any further because they were 'waiting' for WTC 7 to come down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (NY Times (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110104.PDF))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firefighter Lt William Ryan says he and his crew were told WTC 7 was going to collapse 'around 3 pm' and fell back until it came down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (NY Times (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110117.PDF))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firefighter Frank Sweeney says he and his crew were sent back down near the WTC 7 and 'stood and waited' for it to come down. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (N (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110113.PDF)Y Times (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110113.PDF))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Battalion Chief Tom Vallebuona says 'we thought' WTC 7 was going to fall and push the side of the WTC that was still standing. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (Firehouse Magazine (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/vallebunoa.html))
Deputy Chief Nick Visconti says Chief Frank Fellini responded to him saying WTC 7 'imminent collapse' and they moved the command post over because WTC 7 is 'coming down'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#3:00pm-rescuers_WTC7) (Firehouse Magazine (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visconti.html))

PENTAGON ATTACK (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#pentagon)
Sept 10 - Pentagon medic is on the phone with FBI talking about who has command of their emergency plane crash plan. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Pentagon_medic) (Army (http://history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf))
9/11 - Emergency equipment for Pentagon's emergency plane crash plans were already out of storage for inventory check before Pentagon crash. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#MASCAL_equipment) (Army (http://history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf))
9/11 - Hours before crash, a Pentagon medic was studying disaster plan based on unlikely scenario of a plane crashing into building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_medic_studying) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38407-2001Sep15))
9/11 - Flight 77's radar stops near Ohio/Kentucky border and is the only one of the four hijacked planes that wasn't able to be tracked all the way. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:57am-Flight77_radar) (Flight Explorer, Washington Post (http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/15m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/hijack091101.htm))
Flight 77 is piloted by ex-Navy fighter pilot who worked on anti-terrorism strategies in same area of Pentagon hit by his plane and a passenger on board is an ex-Navy Admiral, jet fighter pilot, and American Airlines captain who also worked at Pentagon. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:10am-Flight77_takeoff) (Newsday (http://cf1.newsday.infi.net/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=197), Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38407-2001Sep15))
9/11 - Multiple fire and medical units dispatched near Pentagon minutes before crash for high-rise apt. fire that was reported out when 1st responder arrived which allowed most units to proceed to the Pentagon. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:36am-fire_dispatch) (Arlington County (http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/Fire/edu/about/FireEduAboutAfterReport.aspx), Fire Engineering (http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=Archi&Subsection=Display&P=25&ARTICLE_ID=165238&KEYWORD=eoc))
Pentagon crash happened right in the middle of the only section being renovated to bolster it against an attack which severely limited damage and loss of life. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:37am-Pentagon_hit) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/attack/2002/01/01/pentagon.htm), Army (http://www.ftmeade.army.mil/SoundOFF/archives/SO2002/May02/html/05-02News-pentagon.htm))
9/11 - Many key emergency response people arrive at the Pentagon within 5 minutes after the crash. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_emergency_responders) (Arlington After-Action Report (http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/Fire/edu/about/FireEduAboutAfterReport.aspx))
9/11 - Gas station and hotel's security cameras recorded Pentagon crash, but FBI arrived within minutes and confiscated films. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#FBI_conficates_videos) (CNN (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0203/07/asb.00.html), National Geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html))
9/11 - Boy on Flight 77 is lectured by military father beforehand about dying who subsequently takes a 'rare day off' from working in same area of Pentagon that son's plane will later crash into. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Bernard_Brown) (MSNBC)
Pentagon construction worker says on Larry King Live that plane that hit Pentagon had 'fewer engines' than the other 9/11 planes. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#September8,2002-Flocco_fewer_engines)(CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/08/lklw.00.html))
9/11 - Air traffic controllers thought alleged Boeing 757 flying towards the Pentagon flew like a 'military jetfighter.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#at_controllers_jetfighter) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20011024150915/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020_011024_atc_feature.html), Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14365-2001Sep11&notFound=true))
Alleged Flight 77 hijacker pilot, Hani Hanjour, was described as a horrible pilot by his flight instructors, was the only hijacker who didn't have a passenger number or seat assignment, and was unable to rent a single-engine Cessna 172 one month before 9/11 because he had trouble controlling and landing it during a test flight. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Hanjour_skills_seat) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml), NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/national/04ARIZ.html?), Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/hijackers.html), Newsday (http://web.archive.org/web/20031221013952/http:/www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story))

Witnesses describing a missile, or other non-Boeing 757
USA TODAY reporter Richard Benedetto says aircraft he saw hit the Pentagon 'sounded like an artillery shell.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_missile) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/washscene.htm))
Pentagon Renovation project coordinator Michael DiPaula says aircraft that hit the Pentagon 'sounded like a missile.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_missile) (Baltimore Sun)
Space News editor Lon Rains was 'convinced a missile' hit the Pentagon by the way it sounded and how fast it flew in. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_missile) (Space News (http://www.space.com/news/rains_september11-1.html))
Pentagon network engineer Tom Seibert said he heard what 'sounded like a missile' crash into the building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_missile) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html))
Steve Patterson says aircraft he saw crash into pentagon appeared to hold about '8 to 12 people' and sounded like a 'fighter jet.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_missile) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html))
USA Today Editor Joel Sucherman says he saw the body and tail of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon, but 'did not see the engines.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_missile) (CNN video (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/day.video.09.html))
D. S. Khavkin says aircraft she and her husband saw fly overheard towards the Pentagon appeared to be a 'small' commercial aircraft. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_different_plane)(BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1540586.stm))

Witnessing hardly any plane debris
Engineer Steve DeChiaro says he was perplexed that a plane had crashed into Pentagon by seeing only a small hole in the building and seeing 'no tail, wings, no nothing'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane) (Memphis Online (http://web.archive.org/web/20021017045944/http:/www.gomemphis.com/mca/america_at_war/article/0,1426,MCA_945_1300676,00.html))
Army Captain Lincoln Liebner says remarkably there was 'no debris from the airplane' at the Pentagon when he got to the building. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane) (Army (http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:-cRcusY9vOAJ:history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Army Captain Allan Lindsley says he was 100 meters from the Pentagon crash site and didn’t see 'any of the plane.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane) (Army (http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:-cRcusY9vOAJ:history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Nurse Eileen Murphy upon reaching the Pentagon crash scene says she was real surprised that the plane 'wasn't there.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane) (Army (http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:-cRcusY9vOAJ:history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sergeant First Class Maybon Pollock says he was in awe that he saw 'nothing left from the plane' at the Pentagon crash site after being told the size of the plane that had crashed there. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane) (Army (http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:-cRcusY9vOAJ:history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Will Jarvis of the Office of Secretary of Defense tried but failed to see the plane at the Pentagon saying there was just 'nothing left' and couldn’t see a 'tail or a wing or anything.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane) (U of T Magazine (http://web.archive.org/web/20020823153725/http:/www.magazine.utoronto.ca/02winter/f02.htm#jarvis))
CNN's Jamie McIntyre live at the Pentagon scene says there's no evidence a plane crashed anywhere near the building other than pieces that are small enough to pick up by hand. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Jamie_McIntrye_reporting) (CNN video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATH8rH91ie0))

Hearing multiple explosions, or smelled explosives <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Pentagon attorney Gilah Goldsmith said she smelled cordite, or gun smoke near the crash site. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_cordite) (Jewish News Weekly (http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010921/usp14a.shtml))
Don Perkal of the Office of Secretary of Defense said he heard two explosions minutes apart and heard that a bomb had gone off in the building and when he smelled cordite, he says he knew 'explosives had been set off somewhere'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_cordite) (McSweeney's (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html))

PENNSYLVANIA CRASH (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#pennsylvania)

June '01 - A major terrorist exercise 'Mall Strike 2001' is conducted in a PA county next to county Flight 93 allegedly crashed at. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#June16,2001-Mall_Strike_2001) (FEMA (http://www.fema.gov/txt/preparedness/pennsmartpractice.txt), PittsburgLive (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/terrorism/oneyearlater/pittsburghlive.com/tribune-review/terrorism/oneyearlater/s_90895.html))
9/11 - Flight 93 reportedly lands at a Cleveland airport, adjacent to NASA Glenn Research Ctr, due to a bomb scare after a man over Flight 93's intercom says a bomb is on board and the plane will be 'returning to the airport' at about the time it is flying over Cleveland. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:34am-Flight93_bomb) (WCPO-TV (http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http:/wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html), Pitt Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/popup.asp?img=/images2/20011028Flight93map.jpg))
9/11 - Somerset county coroner Wally Miller says no remains were visible at the crash site as if the plane had 'stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed' and that the most 'eerie' thing was that he hadn't seen a 'single drop of blood' at the scene. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Wallace_Miller) (Pittsburg Live (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/oneyearlater/s_90823.html), Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8&notFound=true))
Shanksville, PA, is a military flight corridor. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_flight_corridor) (Daily American)
Dec '04 - Donald Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was shot down in a speech. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#December24,2004-Rumsfeld_flight93) (CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/24/nfcnn.01.html))


Witnessing hardly any plane debris

Homer Barron said it didn't look like a plane crash because there was nothing that looked like a plane, just a big pile of 'charcoal'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (Pitt Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912somerscenenat4p3.asp))
Chris Konicki told a FOX News reporter that there was nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (FOX News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SQWjtDK-Pw))
Nina Lensbouer said when she arrived there was nothing there but charcoal. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (Pitt Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912somerscenenat4p3.asp))
State police Capt. Frank Monaco said the scene looked like a 'trash heap' littered with nothing but tiny pieces of debris. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (Pitt Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912somerscenenat4p3.asp))
Mark Stahl said that the plane had pretty much disintegrated and there was nothing left but scorched trees. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/911.call/))
Shanksville mayor Ernie Stull said there wasn't much left of the plane after the explosion except for one of the engines lying in the bushes. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160-5,00.html))
State police Maj. Lyle Szupinka said the scene looked liked a 'commercial landfill' with papers flying around and bits and pieces of shredded metal. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_scene) (PittsburghLive (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_12969.html))


Small white plane seen circling area before and after alleged crash
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jim Brandt said that he saw another plane in the area and said it stayed there for one or two minutes before leaving. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Pittsburgh Channel (http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/957912/detail.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Dale Browning said everybody saw this plane in the sky, but no one can tell them what it was. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Bergen Record (http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091401.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Rick Chaney described the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Bergen Record (http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091401.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Susan Custer said she saw a small white jet streaking overhead. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Bergen Record (http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091401.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Dennis Decker saw a Lear type jet with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings flying low and fast that appeared to make a loop or part of a circle before it turned fast and headed out. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Bergen Record (http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091401.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Robin Doppstadt saw a small white jet that looked like it was making a single circle over the crash site then climbed very quickly and took off. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Bergen Record (http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091401.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Val McClatchey heard what she thought was a small plane roar over Indian Lake headed east towards the crash scene which is the opposite direction officials said Flight 93 flew in and caught a glimpse of it when she looked out her front window. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Pittsburgh Live (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_90823.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Susan Mcelwain saw a white plane with two rear engines, a big fin on the back with two upright fins at the side with no markings that looked 'military' rocket 40 or 50ft above her mini-van, but hardly made any sound and then heard an explosion then saw a fireball rise up over the trees followed by a white plume of smoke thinking it was the jet that crashed and later the FBI tried to tell her no other plane was around the area then changed their story to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Bergen Record (http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091401.html), Daily Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12192317&method=full&siteid=50143))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Lee Purbaugh saw a white jet circle the area about twice before flying off over the horizon. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Daily Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12192317&method=full&siteid=50143))
Tom Spinelli saw a white plane with high back wings flying around all over the place before and after the crash like it was looking for something. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Shanksville_small_white_plane) (Daily Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12192317&method=full&siteid=50143), Pittsburgh Channel (http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/957912/detail.html))


IGNORED WARNINGS / ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#ignored_warnings)
1994 - US intel warned that terrorists might attack US using airplanes as weapons (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1994-US_intel) (CNN (http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/18/intelligence.hearings/), CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/20/national/main522682.shtml)); 1995 - US warned of 'Operation Bojinka' plot to hijack planes and attack the Pentagon and CIA headquarters (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1995-warning_plot) (CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/)); July '01 - US and Italian officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July2001-Genoa_summit_warning) (LA Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20010927121241/http:/www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-092701genoa.story))
CIA had low-level spies inside Al Qaeda three years before attacks (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#November17,2004-CIA_AlQaeda) (MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6516592)), US intel overheard discussions of a major pending terrorist attack weeks prior to 9/11 (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#June4,2002-USagents_alQaeda) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/06/03/cia-attacks.htm))
Jan '00 - CIA information about 2 alleged 9/11 hijackers in San Diego is squelched before reaching FBI. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#January2000-blocked_memo) (LA Times)
US agents told to back off bin Laden's and Saudi Royals soon after Bush becomes president. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#November7,2001-backoff_OBL) (Ananova (http://web.archive.org/web/20011109171427/http:/www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_443114.html),BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm))
June '01- Convicted terrorist provided US with specific info about a terrorist attack, some was used in Aug. 6th memo. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#June2001-informant) (Newsweek (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7658468/site/newsweek/))
June '01 - Dept. of Defense changes hijacking rules, first time since 1997. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#June1,2001-DoD_hijacking_rules) (DoD (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf))
July '01 - Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July2001-armed_pilots_banned) (WorldNetDaily (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647))
July '01 - Briefing for senior US officials warns of spectacular attacks by terrorists with little or no warnings. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July2001-Government_warning) (CNN (http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/18/intelligence.hearings/))
July '01 - Agent's "Phoenix memo" warned FBI about OBL supporters taking flight training in Arizona, suggesting schools could be used for terror operations, but doesn't reached tops at FBI, CIA, and Justice Dept. until after 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July10,2001-Phoenix_memo) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/03/attack/main507943.shtml), CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/05/21/phoenix.memo/))
July '01 - Suspected 9/11 mastermind KSM receives US visa despite '96 terrorist indictment. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July23,2001-KSM_USvisa) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20040206103747/http:/abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040126_387.html))
Aug '01 - Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#August2001-Israel_warns_US) (Telegraph (http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml))
Aug '01 - Taliban warns US of huge attack from bin Laden. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#August2001-Taliban_warns_US) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2242594.stm))
Aug '01 - FBI supervisor said in conversation with headquarters that he wanted to prevent Zacarias Moussaoui from flying a plane into the WTC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#August2001-FBI_Moussaoui_WTC) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-24-moussaoui_x.htm))
Aug 6 - CIA memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" warns Bush of attacks and plane hijackings in the US by OBL. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#August6,2001-memo) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20020806063216/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html), FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52913,00.html))
FAA chiefs received 52 warnings in 6 months time period before 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#February9,2005-FAA_52warnings) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/politics/10terror.html))
All 4 hijacked planes were well below normal passenger loads, averaging only 27% full. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#passenger_loads) (CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/19/hijacked.planes/), Washington Post (http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/15m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/hijack091101.htm))
FBI whistle-blower Coleen Rowley accuses bosses of ignoring 9/11 warnings and sabotaging investigation attempts. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#May21,2002-Rowley_whistle-blower)(Time (http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/05/28/letter-fbi.htm))
FBI translator Sibel Edmonds: 'I Saw Papers That Show US Knew al-Qaida Would Attack Cities With Airplanes' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#April2,2004-Sibel_Edmonds_witnessed) (Independent-UK (http://web.archive.org/web/20040405232002/http:/news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=507514&host=3&dir=70))
9/11 Panel Chairman: 'Attack Was Preventable.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#December17,2003-911chair_attacks_preventable) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml))
Senior FBI officials were warned about 70 times of 9/11 plot. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2006.html#March20,2006-FBI_warned_70x) (WorldNetDaily (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49367))

COVER-UP (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#cover-up)
9/11 - Ari Fleischer claims that Bush received no warnings about the attacks (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#1:47pm-Fleischer_no_warning)(White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-6.html)), May '02 - Fleischer confirms that Bush was told by CIA a month before attacks about possibility of OBL terrorists hijacking planes in the US. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#May16,2002-Ari_confirms) (SF Gate (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/05/16/MN177958.DTL))
President Bush (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September16,2001-Bush_hijack) (White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010916-2.html)) Gen. Richard Myers (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October23,2001-Myers_hijack) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10232001_200110236.html)) Condoleezza Rice (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#May16,2002-Rice_hijack) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/17/attack/main509471.shtml)) Sect. Mineta and some NORAD officials all deny anybody was aware of the idea that terrorists would use airplanes as weapons (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#May23,2003-Mineta_testimony) (Seattle Post (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/123524_terror24.html)), 1999 - NORAD conducted exercises simulating hijacked airliners used as weapons. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1999-NORAD_exercises) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm))
Sept 22 - 'Airline Transportation Stabilization Act' becomes law which if 9/11 victim's families except, they can't sue airlines or US gov't for any reason. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September22,2001-compensation_fund) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3523614,00.html), LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092201airline,0,5553548.story))
Sept 26 - Mayor Rudolph Giuliani bans all video and photography at Ground Zero. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September26,2001-Giuliani_bans_photos) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/daily/26/photo_ban.htm))
Nov '01 - Bush signs Executive Order 13233 which limits public access to presidential records. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#November1,2001-Executive_Order_13233) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/09/21/bushs_passion_for_secrecy/), NS Archives (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20011128/)) Mar '03 - Bush signs Executive Order 13292 allowing for a broad range of documents to be kept secret for up to 25 years and gives classification powers to the Vice President. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#March25,2003-Executive_Order_13292) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/09/21/bushs_passion_for_secrecy/), National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200602160841.asp)) The number of documents classified by the Bush administration increased by over 50 percent since 2001 (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#September21,2004-Bush_classified_docs) (Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/09/21/bushs_passion_for_secrecy/)) and they have classified more records in their first 2 years than President Clinton's last four years. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#December12,2003-Bush_secrecy) (US News (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/usinfo/press/secrecy.htm)) Ex-Nixon legal aide says Bush Admin is the most secretive ever. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#April4,2004-Jean_Dean_book) (Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/04/wnix04.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/04/04/ixportaltop.html))
Jan '02 - Steel from the WTC is shipped to China and India for recycling which has angered investigators, engineers and victim's families who say the steel could hold vital clues about why the towers collapsed and GPS trackers were installed on trucks hauling the 'highly sensitive' steel scraps away to be melted. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#January2002-WTC_steel_recycled) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nphoto.htm), China.org (http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Jan/25776.htm), ACSS (http://securitysolutions.com/ar/security_gps_job_massive/))
Jan '02 - Fire Engineering says official WTC investigation is a 'half-baked farce' that may already have been 'commandeered by political forces' whose primary interests lie 'far afield of full disclosure.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#January4,2002-Fire_Engineering) (Fire Engineering (http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSe ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225))
March '02 - Pentagon security photos of crash are released, but Pentagon says gov't didn't 'officially' release them. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#March7,2002-Pentagon_cctv)(Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56670-2002Mar7&notFound=true))
May '02 - Bush Administration oppose a 9/11 investigation. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#May23,2002-Bush_opposes_911panel)(CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/attack/main509096.shtml))
June '02 - Records of 9/11 response not for public, New York City says. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#June23,2002-911_response_sealed) (NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50E10F83F5C0C708EDDAE0894DA4044 82))
Sept '02 - American Airlines continues to gag all employees from talking about Sept 11 hijackings. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#September11,2002-AA_gags) (WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28904))
Sept '02 - Bush admin denies lawmakers investigating 9/11 permission to reveal whether the president or White House staff received warning of potential terrorist attacks against US, including plans by al Qaida linked terrorists to use hijacked planes as weapons. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#September18,2002-Bush_911data) (UPI (http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20020918-035035-1042r))
Nov '02 - Bush names former National Security advisor and Unocal consultant Henry Kissinger to head 9/11 investigations. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#November29,2002-Kissinger_nominated)(CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/27/intelligence.probe/index.html), CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/12/politics/main532794.shtml))
Dec '02 - WTC surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the WTC collapsed. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#December10,2002-WTC_tapes) (Ft Wayne Sentinel (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/local/4702997.htm))
Dec '02 - Bush names Homeland Security Project Co-Chair who has business link to husband of OBL's sister to head 9/11 panel. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#December16,2002-Kean_appointed)(Fortune (http://web.archive.org/web/20030201090108/http:/www.fortune.com/fortune/print/0,15935,410237,00.html))
Jan '03 - 9/11 investigations get only a $3 million budget and 16 month time frame compared to the over $40 million spent on the 5-year investigation of the Clintons. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#January3,2003-911panel_3million_budget) (Washington Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20030129093939/http:/www.washtimes.com/national/20030127-19783672.htm), Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr082899.htm))
May '03 - White House refuses to release 900-page Sept. 11 congressional report. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#May5,2003-911report_blocked) (Miami Herald (http://web.archive.org/web/20030603213753/http:/www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/5792329.htm))
July '03 - 9/11 panel criticizes Defense, Justice dept's for not cooperating fully and CIA, FBI for intimidating witnesses. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#July8,2003-911panel_criticizes) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20030829055927/http:/abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20030708_1993.html), Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,994933,00.html))
July '03 - White House, CIA kept key portions of 9/11 report classified dealing with Saudi Arabia and reject Saudi requests to declassify. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#July25,2003-911report_classified) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A43291-2003Jul24))
Jan '04 - 9/11 Panel has to interview two of it's own members about attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#January15,2004-911panel_members) (UPI (http://web.archive.org/web/20050209145424/http:/www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r))
Jan '04 - Bush and Speaker Hastert oppose granting more time for 9/11 Panel. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#January19,2004-Bush_rejects_time) (Washington Post)
April '04 - Bush admin gags FBI translator Sibel Edmonds from speaking to 9/11 Panel about attack foreknowledge. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#April26,2004-Edmonds_gagged) (Independent-UK (http://web.archive.org/web/20040603023554/http:/news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=515270&host=3&dir=70))
April '04 - Bush, Cheney meet together behind closed doors with 9/11 Panel without recorders, stenographer, or being under oath. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#April29,2004-Bush_Cheney_911panel) (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bush.911.commission/))
FAA manager mangled, cut, and destroyed 9/11 tapes. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#May6,2004-FAA_destroyed_tapes) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A6632-2004May6&notFound=true))
President Bush's phone logs on 9/11 don't exist. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#June18,2004-911_phone_logs) (NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/204090p-176138c.html))
June '04 - 9/11 tapes reveal ground personnel covered-up attack response, kept things 'hush-hush.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#June21,2004-attacks_muffled) (New York Observer)
July '04 - Almost 3 years after 9/11, technology only now exists to enable cell phones to work on airplanes at flying altitudes. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#July17,2004-cellphones_planes) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2004-07-19-aircells_x.htm), New York Press (http://www.nypress.com/17/30/news&columns/AlanCabal.cfm))
9/11 report shows much of common wisdom about 9/11 was wrong. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#July26,2004-911panel_wrong) (Straights Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20040728050642/http:/straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,263424,00.html))
Oct '04 - NORAD takes their 9/11 response timeline off website (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October27,2004-NORAD_timeline)(NORAD) after US Senator accuses them and FAA of lying. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#July31,2004-Senator_Dayton) (Star Tribune)
Oct '04 - Inquiry begins about unreleased 9/11 report about civilian, military response timeline and will stay unreleased until after elections. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October30,2004-911_report_unreleased) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/politics/30panel.html?oref=login&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1099184871-GUoMwLXb2X5J16JMJvIl1A))
Alleged 9/11 hijacker rented room from FBI informant, FBI covered fact up. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#June14,2005-FBI_911coverup) (Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0524,mondo1,64920,6.html))
Some in 9/11 panel concluded the Pentagon may have lied about how they first reacted to the 9/11 attacks and debated referring the matter to the Justice Dept for a criminal investigation. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2006.html#August2,2006-Pentagon_mislead_911panel) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html))
Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by airlines industry. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#box_cutters) (9/11 Panel (http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm), CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/12/attack/main528967.shtml))

MOTIVES (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#motives)
1997 - CFR & Trilateral Comm member Zbigniew Brzezinski publishes a book urging the US to control the world's natural resources to maintain global domination despite public's uneasiness about US projecting external power and cautions it will become more difficult to get consensus on foreign policy with an increasingly diverse US society unless public perceives a massive direct external threat. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1997-TheGrandChessboard) (Brzezinski: 'Grand Chessboard' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465027261/102-9109842-4065764?v=glance)) Sept 14 - Council on Foreign Relation member Gary Hart says 9/11 attacks is chance for Bush to carry out a "new world order." (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September14,2001-Hart_NewWorldOrder) (CFR (http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=4049))
Sept 10 - Donald Rumsfeld announces Pentagon has lost track of $2.3 trillion (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Rumsfeld_trillions) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml), DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2001/s20010910-secdef.html)), attacks came near end of fiscal year & important budget information was located in the damaged area (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:37am-Pentagon_hit) (Arlington County (http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/Fire/edu/about/FireEduAboutAfterReport.aspx)), large number of fatalities at Pentagon were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:37am-Pentagon_hit) (Pitt Post-Gazette (http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-01/12-20-01/a02wn018.htm))
Oct '01 - Only 1 1/2 months after 9/11, the 342 page USA PATRIOT ACT is signed into law. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October26,2001-Patriot_Act) (White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011026-5.html))
Oct '01 - Hundreds of gold bars that was stored under WTC 4 are discovered in a delivery tunnel under WTC 5 that was being transported on the morning of 9/11 by a 10-wheel truck that was crushed along with several other cars by debris, yet no bodies were recovered. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October30,2001-WTC5_gold_found) (NY Daily News, Times Online)
WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein seeks $7.2 billion in insurance, double his coverage, claiming the attacks count as two separate events. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October15,2001-Silverstein_seeks_7billion) (Insurance Journal (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2001/10/15/14412.htm)) June '02 - Silverstein receives $861 million settlement for WTC 7, debt on it is only $383 million (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#June2,2002-WTC7_settlement) (Insurance Journal (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2002/06/07/15925.htm)), May '04 - Silverstein awarded single payout of $3.5 billion for WTC (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#May3,2004-Silverstein_payout) (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/03/attacks.insurance/)), Dec '04 - Silverstein wins extra $1.1 billion from court ruling saying attacks constituted 'two separate events'. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#December6,2004-Silverstein_wins) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/2004-12-06-wtc_x.htm?csp=34)) The new WTC is projected to cost between $9-12 billion with $5 billion coming from government sources. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#December20,2003-Freedom_Tower_unveiled) (MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3757111/), NYSCPA (http://www.nysscpa.org/home/2004/404/2week/article35.htm))
Bush administration has taken away multiple rights of the people since 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#September5,2002-lost_rights) (Newsday (http://web.archive.org/web/20020911191948/http:/www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.story)) U.S. ranks 17th in press freedoms largely due to 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#October30,2002-US_press_freedoms) (CNS (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200210/FOR20021030a.html))
Nov '02 - Dept of Homeland Security is created to lead the fight against domestic terrorism. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#November25,2002-Homeland_Security) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/19/politics/main522605.shtml))
Poll Cites GOP Gains Since 9/11 (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#May12,2005-GOP_gains) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/10/AR2005051001445.html)), Gov't terrorist warnings boost Bush's approval ratings. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October12,2004-terror_warnings_boost) (Cornell U (http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Oct04/terrorist.Bush.ssl.html)) '9/11 effect' won Bush votes on Democratic turf near Ground Zero. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#April20,2005-Bush_votes) (New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/43049.htm))
Military budget increase:
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sept '00 - PNAC calls to increase US defense budget, but says won't happen absent a catastrophic event like a "new Pearl Harbor." (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#September2000-PNAC_report) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20030315110705/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html), PNAC (http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sept 5, '01 - Rumsfeld asks Senate to approve new '02 defense budget which has largest spending increase since the mid 80's. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September5,2001-Rumsfeld_Senate) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09062001_200109064.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">FY 2002 budget request is a $37.8 billion, or 11.5% increase from '01 request. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#June27,2001-FY02_defense_request) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2001/b06272001_bt287-01.html))
FY 2003 budget request is a $40.1 billion, or 10.9% increase from '02 request. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#February4,2002-FY03_defence_request) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2002/b02042002_bt049-02.html))

Afghanistan, opium, pipeline
July '01 - US plans to invade Afghanistan by Oct '01 (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July2001-US_plans_Taliban_attack) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm), Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4264545,00.html)), Sept 4 - White House approves plan to invade Afghanistan (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September4,2001-Afghan_invasion_plan) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/11/attack/main518289.shtml), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm)), Sept 10 - Plan awaits Bush's approval (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-US_Taleban_attack_plan) (MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/)), Oct '01 - US invades Afghanistan. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October7,2001-US_invades_Afghanistan) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10072001_200110071.html)) War in Afghanistan would have been politically impossible pre-9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#March23,2004-Aghan_invasion_pre911) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm))
July '00 - Taliban bans cultivation of opium poppies in Afghanistan (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#July2000-Taliban_bans_opium) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/980251.stm)), Mar '05, Afghanistan opium production surges. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#March5,2005-Afghan_opium) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-03-05-opium-afghanistan_x.htm))
1997 - Taleban are in Texas for talks with Unocal about an Afghan pipeline. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1997-Taleban_Texas) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Feb '98, Unocal rep testifies before congress that an Afghan pipeline can't happen without a single stable Afghan gov't and asks the US to use it's influence to end conflicts there. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#February12,1998-Unocal_testimony) (US House of Reps (http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.HTM))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Aug '98 - Unocal suspends Afghan pipeline activities because of deteriorating political conditions there. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#August21,1998-Unocal_suspends)(Unocal (http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/98news/082198.htm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Dec '98 - Unocal drops out of Afghan pipeline consortium. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#December4,1998-Unocal_withdrawals) (Unocal (http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/98news/centgas.htm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">1999 - US paid entire annual salary of Taliban gov't in hopes to secure a stable Afghan gov't to allow US companies to build a pipeline there to connect to the Caspian Sea. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1999-US_funds_Taliban) (SF Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/02/ED90804.DTL))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">May '01, US gives $43 million to Afghanistan and becomes their largest donor two years in a row. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#May2001-US_43million) (CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/05/17/us.afghanistan.aid/))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Some say current military campaign in Afghanistan has hidden objective - revive gas pipeline and open the way for U.S. companies to build further facilities to carry central Asian oil. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#November8,2001-Afghan_pipeline_war) (BCC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1644813.stm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Dec '02 - Afghan gas pipeline deal signed. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#December27,2002-Afghan_pipeline_signed)(BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2608713.stm), SF Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/12/26/financial0859EST0011.DTL))
May '05 - Afghan pipeline draws closer to reality, Afghan President said project was a 'top priority.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#May13,2005-Afghan_pipeline) (Christian Science Monitor (http://csmonitor.com/2005/0513/p05s01-wosc.html))

Iraq, oil
1998 - PNAC calls for a war in Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein who they say threatens Israel and the world's oil supply. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#January26,1998-PNAC_letter) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20030315110705/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html), PNAC (http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jan '01 - Bush had pre-9/11 Iraq war plan according to Treasury Dept memo (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#January31,2001-Iraq_memo). (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Bush made plans for ousting Saddam and for Iraq's oil before 9/11 (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#March17,2005-Bush_Iraq_plans). (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">9/11 - Barely 5 hrs after the Pentagon crash, Rumsfeld begins strike plans against Iraq. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#2:40pm-Rumsfeld_Iraq) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Feb '02 - Bush admin was warned statements that Iraq trained Al Qaeda in weapon making was fabricated, yet they would later use same statements as foundation for military action in Iraq (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#February2002-Iraq_Al-Qaeda_intel). (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/politics/06intel.html?ex=1288933200&en=5a216116a0310ce1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss), AFP)
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">White House officials say privately 9/11 was main reason for war in Iraq (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#April25,2002-911_Iraq_war)(ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20030601203737/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/US/globalshow_030425.html)), Bush says US is in Iraq because of 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#June18,2005-Bush_911_Iraq) (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/18/bush.radio/), White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050618.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jan '03 - Memo reveals Bush was determined to invade Iraq despite UN backing and discusses ways to provoke Saddam into a confrontation. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#January31,2003-war_memo) (NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/international/europe/27memo.html), BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4849744.stm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sept '03 - Poll later finds 70% Americans believe Saddam-9/11 link (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#September6,2003-Iraq_911_poll). (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Downing Street Memo warned Saddam not a threat and US fixed intel around their war policy. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#July23,2002-DowningStreetMemo)(London Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1592724,00.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">9/11 Panel says no evidence connecting Iraq to Al Qaeda (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#June16,2004-911panel_no_Iraq_link). (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46254-2004Jun16.html))
<LI style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Oct '04 - CIA report later concludes no WMD's in Iraq as Bush used to help justify war (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October7,2004-no_wmds). (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/), BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3718150.stm))
Dec '04 - Ex-CIA agent says he was sacked for not faking Iraq WMD reports. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#December9,2004-CIAagent_sacked) (Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041209-093650-9019r.htm))

CULPRITS (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#culprits)
Of the 18 PNAC members who urged Clinton to remove Saddam in '98, 10 will be in the new Bush administration such as Dick Cheney, Zalmay Khalilzad, Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#January26,1998-PNAC_letter) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20030315110705/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html), PNAC (http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm))
PNAC member Vice President Dick Cheney was former Defense Secretary under the Bush Sr. Administration (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#March21,1989-Cheney_17th_SoD) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/cheney.htm)) and former CEO of Halliburton. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#October1,1995-Cheney_CEO_Halliburton) (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/01/cheney.halliburton/)) Cheney (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#March12,2003-Halliburton_paid_Cheney)is still being paid by Halliburton (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#March12,2003-Halliburton_paid_Cheney) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,912515,00.html)) and his stock options with them rose 3,281% in '04. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#October11,2005-Cheney_Halliburton_stock) (Raw Story (http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_stock_options_rose_3281_last_1011.html)) Halliburton was a large donor to Bush/Cheney campaign, is the top Iraq war contract recipient (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2003.html#October30,2003-Iraq_contracts) (Newsday (http://www.nynewsday.com/news/sns-ap-iraq-contracts,0,3993240.story?coll=nyc-topnews-short-navigation)), was awarded no-bid contracts by the Pentagon (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October29,2004-Halliburton_contract_probe) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/28/politics/main652183.shtml)) and announced a 2005 second quarter 284% profit increase. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#July21,2005-Halliburton_284_percent) (Halliburton (http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2005/corpnws_072105.pdf))
May '01 - PNAC member Dov Zakheim sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and CFO for Defense Dept and was former VP of a defense contractor which makes remote control and flight termination products. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#May4,2001-Dov_Zakheim_sworn) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/zakheim_bio.html), SPC (http://www.sysplan.com/Corporate/Overview/History))
Sept 4 - Robert Mueller, who oversaw the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing case and the 1991 BCCI banking scandal, becomes director of the FBI. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September4,2001-Robert_Mueller_FBI) (FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/libref/directors/directmain.htm), BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1424760.stm))
Sept 6 - large put options placed on United, American Airlines, Boeing and some purchases made through bank which used to be headed by Exec. CIA Director Buzzy Krongard. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September6,2001-Buzzy_Krongard) (SF Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/29/MN186128.DTL))
Sept 10 - 'Rumsfeld's Rules' are revised to include the rule, 'America ain't what's wrong with the world.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Rumsfelds_Rules) (Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/4/191558/4781), DoD (http://web.archive.org/web/20011214233710/www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2001/rumsfeldsrules.pdf))
Sept 10 - Former Pres. and ex-CIA dir. Bush Sr. met with Osama's brother at Carlyle Group meeting in DC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-BushSr_Carlyle) (Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A25406-2003Mar14&notFound=true)), is (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#BushSr_WhiteHouse)at the White House morning of attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#BushSr_WhiteHouse) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/29/earlyshow/leisure/books/main527361.shtml))
9/11 - The official bin Ladin family's website domain expires. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#BinLadenFamily_website) (Yahoo (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051017/lam054.html?.v=28), Philly City Paper (http://citypaper.net/articles/101801/sl.howcol.shtml))
9/11 - Sen. Graham, Rep. Goss, and other US Intel committee members have meeting in the morning with Paki ISI director who had authorized $100,000 wire transfer to Atta. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#ISI_meeting) (Wall St Journal (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=95001298), Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17&notFound=true))
9/11 - An elite Israeli military commando who understands Arabic is seated near all hijackers on Flight 11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Daniel_Lewin) (WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26973))
9/11 - Bush proceeds with scheduled reading event after Rice tells him a commercial plane hit the WTC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:55am-Bush_Rice) (9/11 Panel (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm))
9/11 - Chief of Staff Card whispers to Bush about 2nd WTC crash and says 'America is under attack' and immediately leaves without seeing if Bush would respond. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:07am-Card_whispers_Bush) (Boston Herald)
9/11 - After being told of attacks, Bush picks up book and reads with kids for 11 mins and after finishing, takes a few questions from kids before leaving. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:08am-Bush_reads) (FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122680,00.html), St Petersburg Times (http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/08/news_pf/911/The_drama_in_Sarasota.shtml))
9/11 - Bush gives speech at school exactly the same time he was scheduled to make speech there day before. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:31am-Bush_speech) (Federal News Service)
9/11 - Solicitor Gen. Ted Olson--who has admitted the US gov't lies and helped stopped FL recount that sealed '00 Bush win--claims wife Barbara called him collect from Flight 77 twice and is sole source that hijackers used box cutters. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:16-9:26am-Olson_phonecall) (9/11 Panel (http://www.faqs.org/docs/911/911Report-26.html), MSNBC (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3067613/), USA Today (http://usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/victims-olson.htm))
9/11 - 5 Israeli spies film the WTC before the attack then were seen celebrating afterward on top their white van with towers burning in the background and later were arrested and found with boxcutters, multiple foreign passports, maps linking them to the attack, explosives detected, large amount of cash, and FBI seized and developed their photos which one showed the driver flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smoldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Israeli_spies) (FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html), ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html), The Forward (http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html), Bergen Record (http://web.archive.org/web/20011108025936/http:/www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm), Globe & Mail)
9/11 - Bush is never evacuated by Secret Service from School. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:34am-Bush_leaves) (Globe & Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/special/attack/pages/where_article11.html))
Air Force Gen. Myers claims was never informed 2nd WTC crash and only became aware of it about same time Pentagon hit. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Myers_unaware) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10232001_200110236.html))
9/11 - Former Israeli PM Netanyahu is asked what 9/11 attacks meant Israeli/US relations and he replies "It's very good." (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Netanyahu_good) (NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D15F8395C0C718DDDA00894D94044 82)) July '05 - Benjamin Netanyahu was near the London blasts. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#July7,2005-Netanyahu_London_blasts) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-07-israel-londonblasts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA))
Sept 13 - Bush Admin allows Bin Laden family and top Saudi officials to evacuated from US before general public flight restrictions were lifted. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September13,2001-Bush_Saudi_flights) (NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60F14F63F590C738FDDA00894D94044 82), Tampa Tribune (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=TT&p_theme=tt&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_text_search-0=Phantom AND Flight AND From AND Florida&s_dispstring=Phantom Flight From Florida AND date(2001)&p_field_date-0=YMD_dat))
Oct '01 - Donald Rumsfeld says in a magazine interview that Pentagon was hit by a 'missile.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October12,2001-Rumsfeld_Parade) (DoD (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Nov2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html))
Bush twice says he saw WTC plane crash live on TV at Booker Elementary (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#December4,2001-Bush_speech) (Boston Herald (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/bostonherald/218980981.html?did=218980981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&desc=NET+LIFE), White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html)|2 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html)), 1st crash happened at 8:46 am (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:46am-Flight11_crashes) (9/11 Panel (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm)), Bush arrived at school at 8:52 am. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#8:52am-Bush_arrives) (ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/onair/DailyNews/sept11_moments_1.html))
Bush refers to 9/11 as 'an interesting day' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#January5,2002-Bush_interesting_day)(White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html)), says 2001 was a 'fabulous year' for Laura and he. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#December21,2001-Bush_fabulous_year) (White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011221-2.html))
March '04 - Madrid bombings happen exactly 911 days after 9/11. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#March11,2004-Madrid_bombing) (News 24 (http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,6119,2-10-1462_1497208,00.html), Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/madrid.asp))

PATSIES / OPERATIVES (http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html#patsies)
Osama had ties to the CIA (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#August24,1998-OBL_CIA) (MSNBC (http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1)), July '01 - OBL wanted by US since '98, undergoes medical treatment at the American Hospital in Dubai and is met by the local CIA chief (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July4,2001-OBL_hospitalized) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html)), Sept 10 - OBL undergoes kidney dialysis at Pakistani military hospital in which a "secret team" replaces regular urology staff. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-OBL_dialysis) (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml)), FBI's 'Most Wanted List' does not mention OBL is wanted for 9/11 because they have 'no hard evidence' connecting him to the attacks. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2006.html#Osama_FBI) (Muckraker (http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html), Milli Gazette (http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060612_bin_laden_911_fbi.htm), FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm))
Five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers receive training at secure US military bases. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#1990s-hijackers_US_bases) (MSNBC (http://web.archive.org/web/20030927023624/www.msnbc.com/news/create_p1.asp?cp1=1&cpm=1&cpe=1&URL=msnbc.com/news/629529.asp))
CIA had tracked two of the alleged Flight 77 hijackers. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#June3,2002-CIA_tracked_hijackers) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2022452.stm))
The five alleged Flight 77 hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Flight77_hijackers_NSA) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2033791.stm))
July '01 - Alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed receives a US visa despite authorities chasing him since 1994 and a 1996 terrorist indictment (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July23,2001-KSM_USvisa) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20040206103747/http:/abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040126_387.html), LA Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20021119000120/http:/www.latimes.com/news/specials/911/la-na-plot-1sep01.story)), Oct '04 - KSM 'missing' in US custody. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October12,2004-suspects_missing) (SJ Mercury (http://web.archive.org/web/20041128235151/http:/www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/9897476.htm))
CIA says 1st WTC plane crash was an attack and Dir. Tenet blames OBL for attacks even before 2nd plane crashes (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Tenet_OBL) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20021003210756/http:/abcnews.go.com/onair/DailyNews/sept11_moments_1.html)) and the US is claiming Osama bin Laden is behind the attacks before the day is over. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#US_blames_OBL) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20010913045322/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/WTC_washington010911.html), The Post (http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/archives3/sep01/091101/brief17.html))
Taliban rulers condemn attacks and says Bin Laden didn't have the means to carry out such well-orchestrated attacks (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Taliban_denies) (TCM News (http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/11/story23363.asp)), Sept 16 - OBL denies 9/11 involvement in press release (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September16,2001-OBL_denies) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,553156,00.html)), Sept 28 - OBL denies 9/11 involvement in 'Ummat' Paki newspaper, suggests Jews or US secret services behind attacks (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September28,2001-OBL_Ummat_interview) (Khilafah), Nov 7 - OBL denies 9/11 involvement in 'The Dawn' Paki newspaper (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#November7,2001-OBL_Dawn_interview) (Islam Online (http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2001-11/10/article14.shtml)),
Sept 13 - Airplane passenger lists from all four hijacked planes list no Arab names. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September13,2001-passenger_lists) (Guardian - 11 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551423,00.html), 175 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551418,00.html), 77 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551425,00.html), 93 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551409,00.html))
7 (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September20,2001-hijackers_alive) of alleged 19 hijackers are reported alive, FBI Director admits some identities are in doubt. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September20,2001-hijackers_alive) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm), LA Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20010927211945/http:/latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092101probe.story))
Hijacker remains from Flight 77, 93 hijackers were identified at same military base and by a 'process of elimination.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#August16,2002-hijacker_remains)(CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/17/attack/main519033.shtml))
Secret FBI report doubts Al Qaeda can stage another 9/11-type attack and says it knows of no sleeper cells in US. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2005.html#February16,2005-sleeper_cells) (ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=566425&page=1))
Mohammed Atta's father says Atta called him on Sept 12. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September12,2001-Atta_father) (Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/oneyearon/story/0,12361,784541,00.html), PittsburgLive (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/columnists/hiel/s_3023.html))

Framing
Sept 9 - Alleged Flight 175 hijacker pilot Marwan Al-Shehhi reportedly leaves behind Boeing 757 manuals, east coast flight maps, an airplane fuel tester, and a protractor in his hotel room. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September9,2001-Al-Shehhi_belongings) (Augusta Chronicle (http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/091601/ter_124-7402.shtml)), Flight 175 was a Boeing 767. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#9:03am-2nd_WTC_crash) (9/11 Commission (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm))
Sept 10 - Flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah reportedly sends farewell letter and flight training documents to girlfriend of 5 years in Germany, but allegedly wrote address wrong and letter comes back and is passed to FBI; relatives say letter was fabricated to frame him. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Jarrah_letter) (BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1664161.stm))
Sept 10 - Atta and two Arab men allegedly spew anti-American sentiments and leave a Quran and business card behind. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-FL_stripclub) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/14/miami-club.htm))
9/11 - Alleged Flight 11 hijackers Atta and Al-Omari caught on Portland, ME airport security video (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#5:45am-Portland_cctv_Atta) (ABC-AU (http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/resources/photos/airport.htm), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/13/investigate-cars.htm)), Father says it's not Atta on security video. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September25,2001-Attas_father) (PittsburgLive (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/columnists/hiel/s_3023.html))
9/11 - Atta was only passenger among 81 people aboard Flight 11 whose luggage didn't make the flight and where found with incriminated evidence. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Atta_luggage) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/10/04/portland.htm), WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28904))
9/11 - Press reports a group with 'Palestine' in the name claimed responsibility for attacks (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Palestine_claim) (CNN video (http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/11/brown.ensor.cnn.low.ram)), caught Israeli spy who was filming WTC burning says 'We are not your problem, Palestinians are the problem' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Israeli_spies) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html)), video shows Palestinians rejoicing over news of attacks, but later is shown to be staged (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Palestinians_rejoicing) (LA Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20011110144350/http:/www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-091601izpal.story), Der Spiegel (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.wtc-trauer.de/mirror/Spiegel_DieMachtderTVBilder.htm&langpair=de|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8)) '02 - Palestinian says Mossad sought to induce him to set up fake al Qaeda cell in Gaza and declare responsibility for various bombings. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html#December11,2002-Mossad_setup) (Arabia Online (http://web.archive.org/web/20021221182211/http:/www.arabia.com/newsfeed/article/english/0,14183,349243,00.html))
Sept 13 - Student ID card of Flight 77 hijacker Majed Moqed reportedly found at Pentagon, still able to read name on it. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September13,2001-Moqed_ID) (9/11 Panel (http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf))
Sept 17 - Passport is found belonging to alleged hijacker who's plane crashed into WTC. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September17,2001-WTC_passport) (CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.investigation.terrorism/index.html))
Sept 28 - FBI claims to find Arabic written letter in Atta's suitcase and additional copies at Flight 93 crash site and in car registered to Flight 77 hijacker at Dulles parking lot. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September28,2001-hijacking_letter) (FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/letter.htm), PBS (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/personal/instructions.html))
Dec '01 - Pentagon releases poor quality video showing 'OBL' bragging about attacks and wearing a gold ring and watch which are forbidden in Islam, Bush Admin uses this video to vindicate US invading Afghan. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#December13,2001-OBL_video) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/14/usat-inside-tape.htm)), Dec '01 - Osama bin Laden reportedly died. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#December2001-OBL_dies) (FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html), NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/11TAHE.html?ex=1121054400&en=e9bba30c22000a52&ei=5070&ex=1089432000&en=373a282aeff2716a&ei=5070&todaysheadlines&oref=login)), Oct '04 - Video of supposedly OBL admitting to attacks is released 4 days before election and gives Bush a boost in polls (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October30,2004-OBL_video_boost) (ABC (http://web.archive.org/web/20041124135714/http:/abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=210085), NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/247753p-212149c.html))
Many investigators believe that some of the evidence allegedly left behind by the hijackers was 'meant to be found' and whatever trail was left was 'left deliberately for the FBI to chase.' (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#October1,2001-evidence_trail) (New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content?011008fa_FACT))

Fundamentalist Muslims 'gone wild'
May '01 - Several alleged hijackers seen at Las Vegas Strip clubs (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#May2001-Vegas_stripclub) (SF Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/04/MN102970.DTL)), several also patronized Nardone's Go-Go Bar (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#Nardones_hijackers) (Wall Street Journal (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=95001298)) Flight 77 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi hang out at Cheetah's nude bar (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#Cheetahs_hijackers) (LA Times (http://web.archive.org/web/20021119000120/http:/www.latimes.com/news/specials/911/la-na-plot-1sep01.story)), Sept 10 - Atta and two Arab men allegedly spend hundreds on drinks and lap dances at FL strip club the Pink Pony. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-FL_stripclub) (USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/14/miami-club.htm))
July-Aug - Alleged hijacker Majed Moqed seen in two stores in Maryland looking over adult videos and books (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#July-August,2001-Moqed_adultbookstore) (Newsday (http://web.archive.org/web/20031221013952/http:/www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story), MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/modules/wtc/wtc_globaldragnet/investigation_moqed.htm)), Sept 10 - Alleged hijacker Hamza Alghamdi watches a porno in his hotel. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Alghamdi_porno) (Wall Street Journal (http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB1003180286455952120.htm))
Sept 5 - Two or three of the alleged hijackers go gambling on a SunCruz Casino boat. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September5,2001-SunCruz_casino) (St Petersburg Times (http://www.sptimes.com/News/092701/news_pf/TampaBay/Hijackers_linked_to_l.shtml), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/09/27/hijackers-photos.htm))
Sept 7 - Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi both seen 'wasted' at Florida bar called Shuckums. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September7,2001-Shuckums_hijackers) (St Petersburg Times (http://www.sptimes.com/News/091301/Worldandnation/FBI_seizes_records_of.shtml))
Sept 9 - Alleged Flight 11 hijacker sleeps with a high-priced prostitute (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September9,2001-Hijacker_bangs_prostitute) (Boston Herald (http://web.archive.org/web/20011010224657/http:/www.bostonherald.com/attack/investigation/ausprob10102001.htm)), Sept 10 - Four alleged hijackers spend the night looking for prostitutes in Boston. (http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html#September10,2001-Hijackers_seek_prostitutes) (Boston Globe (http://web.archive.org/web/20011011012426/http:/www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/283/metro/Hijackers_said_to_seek_prostitutes-.shtml))


Theres 262 for you. All mainstream media sources

[Mercutio]

Take a look at killtowns 200+ smoking guns
Killtown? I must admit, I have not looked at all of them, but none that I have looked at have held water (and yes, I have participated in killtown threads here, have read his site, would not simply say this for the sake of saying it). Can you point to any that will actually stand up to a slight breeze?

ETA: Oh, my--it is Killtown's list!

Same comment applies, then--could you point to some and indicate how they support your view and how they are incompatible with the official view? (e.g., Rushdie? WTF?)

[beachnut]

Take a look at killtowns 200+ smoking guns

200 fact less statements. good job

Debunked as you post, neat; sorry I wasted a post telling you it is junk.

[switchtech]

I’m sorry kids, but this place resembles a society of straight-thinking skeptics like Paris Hilton resembles virginity.

Yes, that's a truly inspiring simile. You're sure to win friends and influence people with that!

Let me guess: Operation Gladio (revealed in a series of Italian parliamentary investigations) was an “honest mistake”. That Nato intelligence and the ÇIA organized a “stay behind network” after WWII comprised of fascists who proceeded to blow up train stations and blame it on socialists was an “aberration”. That the Russian FSB was caught planting bombs in a building in order to demonize Chechnyians was a bizarre freak of nature. That Israelis were caught blowing up American and British targets in Egypt and trying to pin the blame on the “Moslem Brotherhood” was an unfortunate tactical error. That Hitler faked an attack on a German radio station and blamed it on Poles was a distinctly Hitlerian phenomenon. That the Gulf of Tonkin incident was similarly staged was a fantastical coincidence.

Having not studied any of the events you quote, I have no opinion of them yet. Because they are not pertinent to the current discussions, I'm not likely to, either. We skeptics most likely all agree that there are people and organizations that do bad things.

You have to be seriously…how should I put this -- retarded to look at the constant stream of false flag operations evidenced throughout history and then dismiss 911 skepticism.

Your logic lacks coherence. The "dismissal" - if you want to use that word - follows from looking at the evidence presented and concluding the government likely did not orchestrate the event - they aren't that competent - the official story better fits the facts than the alternatives. All presented evidence to the contrary so far boils down to conjecture - conjecture and evidence are not the same thing.

As with the events of 7/7, on the day of 911 there were “war games” “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred. The odds of this being a “coincidence” are astronomical. (You know, stars and stuff?)

War games run nearly continuously. It would be more unlikely that a terrorist event occurred when a war game wasn't in operation. Most of the war games center on events the brass believes they need to be prepared for. If the games in operation are accurately reflected in your OP, then the brass was right.

When I leave the house in the morning wearing a rain coat and then it rains, it isn't a conspiracy. It means I read the signs properly (and watched the morning news) and was prepared.

You kids are completely and utterly ridiculous. I’m sorry to put it so bluntly but there it is. I briefly considered penning a wicked satire on pseudo-intellectual buffoonery after reading only a handful of threads on this forum. That you would piss on the graves of 911 families by not supporting them in their call for a new investigation is deeply shameful. That you affect an intellectual posture and a strident skepticism while swallowing the most bald-faced lies is simply laughable.

Time to grow up, kids.


I have nothing polite to reply to this. You present no argument or evidence, merely opinion, and as such, you are entitled, no matter how utterly wrong and foul.

[beachnut]

Here you go:

Theres 262 for you. All mainstream media sources

Only a loyal CT guy could post such garbage.

[Morphology]

"Having not studied any of the events you quote"

You seem like a nice guy. Start with D. Genser's book on operation Gladio. Shocking revelations ensue.

Simple fact is: western intelligence love to target children with explosives. Outrage is good print for imbeciles such as frequent this site.

[beachnut]

LMAO

young indy, also known as "conspiracy rader" -- what think you of the dancing Israelies?

A good time all round?

Face it: you're a stupid little whore. You can't explain the dancing Israelis because you're a tiny, tiny little man. lol.

People are focussing on the war games. That's positive. What you forget is that there are hundreds of other anomolies which support my position but debunk yours. In other words, you're screwed.

Let's hear it, kid. What of the dancing Isralies?

*consumes popcorn, laughs out loud.

The only place overflowing is your room!, Warn your neighbors!

How are you CT guys able to make it day to day?

[Quad4_72]

Morphology, you can find anomolies and coincidences with any event in history. That does not make them conspiracies.

[beachnut]

"Having not studied any of the events you quote"

You seem like a nice guy. Start with D. Genser's book on operation Gladio. Shocking revelations ensue.

Simple fact is: western intelligence love to target children with explosives. Outrage is good print for imbeciles such as frequent this site.


Ganser Relies Upon Soviet Forgery for his Research

[ConspiRaider]

LMAO

young indy, also known as "conspiracy rader" -- what think you of the dancing Israelies?

A good time all round?

Face it: you're a stupid little whore. You can't explain the dancing Israelis because you're a tiny, tiny little man. lol.

People are focussing on the war games. That's positive. What you forget is that there are hundreds of other anomolies which support my position but debunk yours. In other words, you're screwed.

Let's hear it, kid. What of the dancing Isralies?

*consumes popcorn, laughs out loud.
Doesn't it bother you - deep in the pit of your "brain" - that you have already been so thoroughly slam-dunked that the only desperate tactic left to you is personal insults? Galling, isn't it? Have another drink and do not operate heavy machinery.

So, we can assume then that you are eating popcorn and laughing out loud at the grisly deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11, correct? This event was staged for your amusement?

State your age - because you may very well be 14 years old or younger, in which case you will get no cookies and be sent to bed. Show us proof that you are older than 14. Because ANYONE can go to Web sites and clipboard text and paste it. A baboon can be trained to do that. I will stipulate that you are a primate but we need to know the genus. That way we can get an idea what we're dealing with. Until then, you are not qualified to engage anyone in a discussion about 9/11.

[beachnut]

Morphalogy seems to toooo smarrt for hiss ownn godood.ddddd

Is this still the kook studies thread; about crazy CT guys

Is this thread a test?

[DarkMagician]

"Having not studied any of the events you quote"

You seem like a nice guy. Start with D. Genser's book on operation Gladio. Shocking revelations ensue.

Simple fact is: western intelligence love to target children with explosives. Outrage is good print for imbeciles such as frequent this site.

Stop talking ab--, oh, forget it. You're not reading anyway.

[Pardalis]

Morphology, or Wizard:

The USG had alledgedly foreknowledge of these attacks, right?

So you admit these attacks were the work of islamic terrorists, right?

[beachnut]

Morphology, uses state of the art google for CT kooks to find these things

Morphology, is on the leading edge of finding kooks, he found me!

But me fears he uses google as his primary catalyst to start his fictional engine running to build the CTs of the future! Good going; google away!

[Wizard]

Morphology, or Wizard:

The USG had alledgedly foreknowledge of these attacks, right?

So you admit these attacks were the work of islamic terrorists, right?

How does foreknowledge indicate that it had to be islamic terrorists?

[Anti-sophist]

I love the proof by overwhelming gibberish. He dodges providing any evidence for 4 pages and then when finally pestered enough he pastes so much gibberish that no one would bother to read it. Classic sophistry.

Why are CTers so afraid to pick a single issue and stick to it?

[Morphology]

How are you CT guys able to make it day to day?"

It's a constant struggle...not.

Actually sweetheart, us truthers lead relatively normal lives.

Yet there is always an instinctive urge toward revolution, I admit. We wackos conceive of a radically different society based on outmoded ideals like cooperation (syngergy) and equality.

The system is not just, therefore "truthers" oppose the system.. Some day, we hope and expect, the shills will go the way of the French Revolution. Not pretty, but necessary :)

Perhaps a few heads rolling round, but who's counting?

Bring it on.

[beachnut]

Morphology, uses state of the art google for CT kooks to find these things
I bet the facts are coming on this non thread!

[Pardalis]

How does foreknowledge indicate that it had to be islamic terrorists?

So they had foreknowledge of what, exactly?

[beachnut]

But you CT guys are living the post French Revolution; Jones vs Fetzer;

No one using their brains, just making up fiction.

Now that is a fact.

[Quad4_72]

How are you CT guys able to make it day to day?"

It's a constant struggle...not.

Actually sweetheart, us truthers lead relatively normal lives.

Yet there is always an instinctive urge toward revolution, I admit. We wackos conceive of a radically different society based on outmoded ideals like cooperation (syngergy) and equality.

The system is not just, therefore "truthers" oppose the system.. Some day, we hope and expect, the shills will go the way of the French Revolution. Not pretty, but necessary :)

Perhaps a few heads rolling round, but who's counting?

Bring it on.

You must be completely out of your mind. I can't imagine living in that kind of state of paranoia.

[Morphology]

"So, we can assume then that you are eating popcorn and laughing out loud at the grisly deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11, correct?"

Yeah, me and the first responders who demand a new investigation. Feel silly much ?

Seldom do I encounter specimens with such profound stupidity. You should donate your brain to science!

[Pardalis]

Seldom do I encounter specimens with such profound stupidity.

Here's one.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/88864572666395f81.jpg

[Anti-sophist]

"So, we can assume then that you are eating popcorn and laughing out loud at the grisly deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11, correct?"

Yeah, me and the first responders who demand a new investigation. Feel silly much ?

Seldom do I encounter specimens with such profound stupidity. You should donate your brain to science!

Personal attacks and distortions = sophistry. Appeal to emotions and Appeal to the majority are logical fallacies, my friend.

So far all you've done is insulted people, distorted the truth, appealed to emotion the majority... and then you link-dumped someone else's work in an attempt to prove via gibberish. If someone debunks some of Killtown's issues, you claim they cherrypicked. If someone debunks all issues, you shrug, having wasted many of their hours, and say it wasn't your opinion anyway.

When do we get to hear your opinion, and your evidence?

Anti-sophist's Law of Debunking: I will put in as much effort debunking your claims as you put into making them.

So far, you've put in 0, so you get this: www.911myths.com (http://www.911myths.com) . It debunks everything you have to say.

[Wizard]

So they had foreknowledge of what, exactly?

If intelligence operatives plan a false flag attack it is possible for other operatives to get wind of the situation and not know its being planned by insiders.

[David Wong]

Come on, he didn't come here to have a conversation about 9/11. He came here to insult people. The 9/11 topic is just a catalyst that gives him a launching pad for the insults.

Maybe he had a bad day at work, maybe he's an abrasive person. But he took the time to sign up and type out a post purely to spew insults and try to get responses that would give him an excuse to spew further insults. I doubt he even believes in the conspiracy, he just Googled and copied and pasted the first stuff he saw.

The term "troll" is thrown around too much, often at debaters who are too quick to insult. But this guy is a true "troll" in that he only came here to see how many replies he could rack up before retreating to a chat room and boasting about how he really stirred things up over at JREF.

[Pardalis]

If intelligence operatives plan a false flag attack it is possible for other operatives to get wind of the situation and not know its being planned by insiders.

Who are the "good" operatives and who are the "bad" operatives?

[Wizard]

Who are the "good" operatives and who are the "bad" operatives?

I thought you might be engaging me in an intelligent conversation. I was mistaken

[ConspiRaider]

"So, we can assume then that you are eating popcorn and laughing out loud at the grisly deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11, correct?"

Yeah, me and the first responders who demand a new investigation. Feel silly much ?

Seldom do I encounter specimens with such profound stupidity. You should donate your brain to science!
You must prove, before engaging in any kind of discussion about 9/11, that you are NOT a baboon.

Your very first post on this forum contained general insults to the regular members of this forum. There are only 2 possible explanations for such reprehensible behavior:

1. Since you have the manners of a baboon, you ARE a baboon.

2. You are a prepubescent male, not sure how to handle all of these crazy hormones starting to run loose in your system.

Let's go slowly. Because you are a conspiracy theorist, you understand the "logic" of proving a negative. For example, as an absurd CTist, you might say: "Prove to me it WASN'T Space Beam Weapons!".

Therefore, you must prove to us that you are NOT a baboon. Once we have a consensus here, we'll proceed to the next step. Which is, of course, a determination that you are NOT a prepubescent male suffering from raging and bewildering hormonal fluctuations as you slowly change from a boy to a man.

We're waiting, Baboon Denier...

[dubfan]

Yet there is always an instinctive urge toward revolution, I admit. We wackos conceive of a radically different society based on outmoded ideals like cooperation (syngergy) and equality.

The system is not just, therefore "truthers" oppose the system.. Some day, we hope and expect, the shills will go the way of the French Revolution. Not pretty, but necessary :)

Perhaps a few heads rolling round, but who's counting?

Bring it on.

At least you're not blinded by ideology.

[ConspiRaider]

Come on, he didn't come here to have a conversation about 9/11. He came here to insult people. The 9/11 topic is just a catalyst that gives him a launching pad for the insults.

Maybe he had a bad day at work, maybe he's an abrasive person. But he took the time to sign up and type out a post purely to spew insults and try to get responses that would give him an excuse to spew further insults. I doubt he even believes in the conspiracy, he just Googled and copied and pasted the first stuff he saw.

The term "troll" is thrown around too much, often at debaters who are too quick to insult. But this guy is a true "troll" in that he only came here to see how many replies he could rack up before retreating to a chat room and boasting about how he really stirred things up over at JREF.
Bullseye, DW. Which is why I have decreed that he prove his NON baboon-ness before anyone will engage him in debate.

[Gravy]

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”. You admit this, correct? Yoo-hoo!

What part of "You are completely wrong" don't you understand?

[Pardalis]

If intelligence operatives plan a false flag attack it is possible for other operatives to get wind of the situation and not know its being planned by insiders.

Who are the "good" operatives and who are the "bad" operatives?

I thought you might be engaging me in an intelligent conversation. I was mistaken

It's an intelligent question.

You say operatives were part of the false flag operation. Who would those be?

You say other operatives weren't in on the plot and did their job, who were they?

Simple question.

[firecoins]

I am definately a kook. I know this because I make decision based on objective, scientific, factialally based evidence. I am in the minority.

i am not simply contrarian.

Yes I am

No I am not.

He you just contadicted me.

No I didn't!

Yes you did!

[Wizard]

It's an intelligent question.

You say operatives were part of the false flag operation. Who would those be?

You say other operatives weren't in on the plot and did their job, who were they?

Simple question.

It's possibly the most stupid question I have ever been asked.

Firstly, I wasn't referring to 9/11 specifically.

Secondly, how can I possibly know who covert intelligence operatives are? Can you name a single covert operative who currently works for American intelligence agencies?

[defaultdotxbe]

It's an intelligent question.

You say operatives were part of the false flag operation. Who would those be?

You say other operatives weren't in on the plot and did their job, who were they?

Simple question.
the real question is how did the good operatives get wind of the bad operatives plan when they were supposed to be keeping tabs on al qaeda?

[Elizabeth I]

I always asked this myself: Do you guys over there
actually say "Gesundheit" if someone is sneezing?
Isn´t there an english term? :confused:

bless you or god bless you
But lots of us say "gesundheit." Of course, if you speak Spanish, you can say, "¡Salud!"

[defaultdotxbe]

Secondly, how can I possibly know who covert intelligence operatives are? Can you name a single covert operative who currently works for American intelligence agencies?
no, but we arent accusing any intelligence agents of being involved in illegal activities either

[Pardalis]

Firstly, I wasn't referring to 9/11 specifically.

This has always been about 9/11, don't try to evade the issue.

I asked you what was the foreknowledge about.

Secondly, how can I possibly know who covert intelligence operatives are? Can you name a single covert operative who currently works for American intelligence agencies?

I'm not talking about individuals of course. I'm talking about agencies.

Who was behind the false flag operation and who was monitering them?

Understand?

[Morphology]

"He came here to insult people. The 9/11 topic is just a catalyst that gives him a launching pad for the insults.

Maybe he had a bad day at work, maybe he's an abrasive person"

Indeed, my co-workers have launched an offical complaint!

You’re just as silly as your cohorts. Look kid, I admit I’m not exactly a model citizen, but what are you? I shudder to think of your personal life. Frankly, I’d rather not.

The truth is, 911 is the goofiest story “they” have tried to pass off on an unsuspecting populace I've ever heard. It would take a profound moron to gel with the “evidence trail” of M. Atta. I repeat: a profound moron.

[Peephole]

Belgium had a particularly noxious unit. They put on masks, strolled into supermarkets and gunned down old ladies and children – for a good cause, of course.
Lol. If you're referring to the Bende Van Nijvel, they never discovered who was behind them. You don't have clue what you're talking about.

Sure. War games serve as a “conduit”, as well as a means of plausible deniability (the first rule of intelligence).

Oklahoma had a drill, 911 had several “hijacking” drills involving drone aicraft
Wrong, there were two (related) war games being or to be conducted on 9/11 by NORAD. Neither of them involving "drone aircraft". And they actually helped their response.

Take a look at Gumboot's thread, he summed it up nicely:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=70300

[beachnut]

What idiot started this kook thread?

[switchtech]

Wow. I’m starting to believe in the incompetence theory by sheer virtue of reading this forum. My romantic view of human nature has been changed utterly. People really are stupid.

I urged you dolts to use Google but you didn’t listen. A simple search provides the following:

(snippity massive snip - if you need to see the original, click the quote link above)

Were you then.


Ok, so what does all that really prove. The military practices for more than hi-jacked aircraft. These exercises are part of a larger package. If the only things the military practiced for were hi-jackers crashing into buildings then you would have a tiny shred of evidence. You left out all the arctic exercises preparing for the Soviet Army to come crashing over the Yukon (well prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union) and other similar exercises for events that never happened.

The planning for Afghanistan occurred because of past terrorist attacks. Exercises occurred for many scenerios in the middle east and eastern Europe, Asia, and anything else that could be imagined.

As it turned out, as we discovered in 1979 or 1980, we didn't know enough about performing operations in the middle east and plans were developed to remedy that deficiency. Then in the 1990s we had to put some of that practice to practical use.

We haven't put everything we practice to use, and much of what we have had to do we never practiced for. What does the seeming coincidence that the brass saw a threat from the terrorists, including attempts at toppling tall buildings via various methods, have to do with the handful of exercises the military tried to get a handle on such things as a hi-jacking of an airplane and subsequent crash into a building really mean? Diddly.

Actually, ...

It means that a few of the many things they practiced for finally happened. As it turned out, they still weren't ready for it.

[Pardalis]

The truth is, 911 is the goofiest story “they” have tried to pass off on an unsuspecting populace. It would take a profound moron to gel with the “evidence trail” of M. Atta. I repeat: a profound moron.


You're trying awfully hard to get suspended aren't you?

BTW, if the 9/11 conspiracy was so obvious and moronic, why did "they" risk it?

[Wizard]

no, but we arent accusing any intelligence agents of being involved in illegal activities either

Nor did I. And if i;m not naming names I certainly can't be accusing anyone.

His question was pathetic. A stamp of the foot because I gave a reasonable answer to his question.

[Aussie Thinker]

Ahh….

Can’t help myself.. must waste my time and wade in here.

Wizard… I sorta like you .. at least you make a realistic attempt to support your inane position .. there may be hope for you yet. Concentrate on the complete absurdity of 911 being a CT and you may come to some realisation, honestly examine all the things that HAVE to have come together MIRACULOUSLY for this to be pulled of as a CT !

Consider this … the classic CT argument about the “War games” .. on one hand it “confused” the situation.. on the other it made the authorities MORE able to act quickly .. but they “didn’t” anyway.. CT’s hold completely contradictory views at the same time !

MORPHOLOGY

Please don’t ban this guy in spite of his insults and inanity he is extremely entertaining.

He is either :

1. Pulling all your chains.. and going by the gazillion responses to his initial diatribe.. doing it very successfully
2. Is a complete cretin who cannot decipher reality from his own childhood fantasies.

Either one is funny… I lean towards a bit of a combination.. but hope he actually falls into the second camp.

It is hilarious to think that someone who considers themselves “intelligent” like this idiot clearly does is actually so ridiculously stupid that it almost beggars belief… the irony is delicious !

[Wizard]

This has always been about 9/11, don't try to evade the issue.

I asked you what was the foreknowledge about.



I'm not talking about individuals of course. I'm talking about agencies.

Who was behind the false flag operation and who was monitering them?

Understand?

No you asked how foreknowledge could exist without islamic terrorists and I gave you a scenario. Do you now admit that a scenario exists whereby foreknowledge is present but real terrorists arent?

[ConspiRaider]

"He came here to insult people. The 9/11 topic is just a catalyst that gives him a launching pad for the insults.

Maybe he had a bad day at work, maybe he's an abrasive person"

Indeed, my co-workers have launched an offical complaint!

You’re just as silly as your cohorts. Look kid, I admit I’m not exactly a model citizen, but what are you? I shudder to think of your personal life. Frankly, I’d rather not.

The truth is, 911 is the goofiest story “they” have tried to pass off on an unsuspecting populace. It would take a profound moron to gel with the “evidence trail” of M. Atta. I repeat: a profound moron.
Baboons do not have co-workers.

You used the word "moron". As a baboon, I'm assuming your handler feeds you a banana pellet if you press the correct brightly-colored insult button?

Of course you cannot read this, but your handler will "sign" it to you.

The consensus here is still that you have NOT proven your NON-baboonity to our standards of satisfaction.

Have another pellet...

[Pardalis]

Wizard, operatives were working on the false flag operation, right?

Other operatives were monitering threats to the US, right?

So the foreknowledge evidence, should be about a covert US operation, not an Al Qaeda terrorist plot, right?

[Pardalis]

No you asked how foreknowledge could exist without islamic terrorists and I gave you a scenario. Do you now admit that a scenario exists whereby foreknowledge is present but real terrorists arent?

That is not what I asked. I asked what the 9/11 foreknowledge was about. You still haven't answered that.

[defaultdotxbe]

Nor did I. And if i;m not naming names I certainly can't be accusing anyone.

His question was pathetic. A stamp of the foot because I gave a reasonable answer to his question.
no, your either making a cowardly blanket accusation or guessing wildly with no evidence whatsoever

[Morphology]

Lol. "If you're referring to the Bende Van Nijvel, they never discovered who was behind them. You don't have clue what you're talking about".

Lol. Read Daniel’s book and get back to me, sweetheart.

“we didn't know enough about performing operations in the middle east and plans were developed to remedy that deficiency. Then in the 1990s we had to put some of that practice to practical use.”

Indeed you did, kid. A carpet of bombs or a carpet of bombs. You can’t possibly be this naive. Run – don’t walk – to Smedley.

“I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service in the country's most agile military force, the Marines. I served in all ranks from second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism…

“I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it.

Thus I helped make Mexico, and especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the raping of half-a-dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers and Co. in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotion. Looking back on it, I feel that I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three city districts. The Marines operated on three continents.”

Duh. Smarten up, kid. Look to your elders.

[Wizard]

Wizard, operatives were working on the false flag operation, right?

Other operatives were monitering threats to the US, right?

So the foreknowledge evidence, should be about a covert US operation, not an Al Qaeda terrorist plot, right?

Wrong. The operatives can provocateur the attack to make it look like arab terrorists. All that is needed are double agents

[DavidJames]

no, your either making a cowardly blanket accusation or guessing wildly with no evidence whatsoeverI believe that is a false dilemma. I think he is doing both. ;)

[Wizard]

no, your either making a cowardly blanket accusation or guessing wildly with no evidence whatsoever

I'm doing neither. He asked how there could be foreknowledge without terrorists and I gave a possibility

[DavidJames]

Wrong. The operatives can provocateur the attack to make it look like arab terrorists. All that is needed are double agents
that and a wild ego driven paranoid delusional personality who blindly embraces CT's and lacks the logic and reasoning capability of a normal adult.


Let's avoid making things personal, please.

[Pardalis]

Wrong. The operatives can provocateur the attack to make it look like arab terrorists. All that is needed are double agents

So the foreknowledge was about a terrorist attack (be it a false one)?

[Pardalis]

I'm doing neither. He asked how there could be foreknowledge without terrorists and I gave a possibility

I repeat that is not what I asked.

[Morphology]

I notice that amongst these posts I encounter nary a single "debunker". Indeed, your pathetic ad hom parade confirms my previous contention: you got nuthin'! You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! Hahaha

[beachnut]

Ahh….

Can’t help myself.. must waste my time and wade in here.

MORPHOLOGY

Please don’t ban this guy in spite of his insults and inanity he is extremely entertaining.

He is either :

1. Pulling all your chains.. and going by the gazillion responses to his initial diatribe.. doing it very successfully
2. Is a complete cretin who cannot decipher reality from his own childhood fantasies.



Good stuff. You have not found wizzard's preference to use PrisonPlanet junk as stuff to start threads with.

But you have nailed the kook thread starter. M.cretin(at)woowoo.dolt (M.cretin@woowoo.dolt) Thank you

[beachnut]

I notice that amongst these posts I encounter nary a single "debunker". Indeed, your pathetic ad hom parade confirms my previous contention: you got nuthin'! You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! Hahaha

We all agree; your small room is overflowing with kooks;

We imagine a small box, with the M seated firmly at his keyboard.

by the rate of your post you could be a very poor typist

if not you mother; typing your post for you and correcting my spelling

duh,,, me thinks you won, you are now the lord of the kook thread,

hail to the king,

king m something

say hello to m man

hello a#$@$%

[ConspiRaider]

I notice that amongst these posts I encounter nary a single "debunker". Indeed, your pathetic ad hom parade confirms my previous contention: you got nuthin'! You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! Hahaha
Manners Of A Baboon = Morphology Is A Baboon

Hey, look at that, "stooges"! What kind of pellet is that from your handler? A mango pellet? Yum! Enjoy! I read that baboons love mangoes!

You have still produced not a shred of proof to sway any of us into believing that you are something other than a baboon. With, no doubt, a rather irate handler.

Have another pellet...

[dubfan]

I notice that amongst these posts I encounter nary a single "debunker". Indeed, your pathetic ad hom parade confirms my previous contention: you got nuthin'! You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! Hahaha

Maybe if you'd put forward an actual hypothesis instead of a string of ad-homs yourself, you might attract one.

As it is, you reap what you sow, sweetheart.

[Peephole]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sometime between 1991 and 2001, a regional sector of the North American Aerospace Defense Command simulated a foreign hijacked airliner crashing into a building in the United States as part of training exercise scenario, a NORAD spokesman said Monday.
From the same article (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exercise/):

"The exercise was solely to test procedures and was no indication that NORAD had any reason to believe the scenario would happen in the real world, according to a spokesman.

It is unclear whether the simulated scenario was that of a hijacked plane being "used as missile" -- intentionally crashing into a building -- or that of an out-of-control hijacked plane."

"Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft," the statement said. "These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures."
From the same article (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm):

"Until Sept. 11, NORAD was expected to defend the United States and Canada from aircraft based elsewhere. After the attacks, that responsibility broadened to include flights that originated in the two countries.
But there were exceptions in the early drills, including one operation, planned in July 2001 and conducted later, that involved planes from airports in Utah and Washington state that were "hijacked." Those planes were escorted by U.S. and Canadian aircraft to airfields in British Columbia and Alaska.

NORAD officials have acknowledged that "scriptwriters" for the drills included the idea of hijacked aircraft being used as weapons.
"Threats of killing hostages or crashing were left to the scriptwriters to invoke creativity and broaden the required response," Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley, a NORAD official, told the 9/11 commission. No exercise matched the specific events of Sept. 11, NORAD said.

"We have planned and executed numerous scenarios over the years to include aircraft originating from foreign airports penetrating our sovereign airspace," Gen. Ralph Eberhart, NORAD commander, told USA TODAY. "Regrettably, the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised.""

Here was an exercise which included many of the elements which were put into practice on 9/11. Amalgam Virgo thus provided the witting putschists with a perfect cover for conducting the actual live fly components of 9/11 through a largely non-witting military bureaucracy.
The two NORAD war games on 9/11 were Global Guardian and Vigilant Guardian, not Amalgam Virgo. Amalgam Virgo (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/amalgam-virgo.htm) was a simulation of a cruise missile attack in June 2001.


In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated...

What's your point here? The NRO simply isn't and wasn't in charge of defending US airspace. The drill being conducted in their office was irrelevant to the US military's response on 9/11.

Morphology, you claimed that hijacking exercises were being run on 9/11 that simulated what actually happened that day

There were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings”.

Show us proof there were “hijacking drills” involving “planes crashing into buildings” being conducted on 9/11 or shut up.

[switchtech]

"Having not studied any of the events you quote"

You seem like a nice guy. Start with D. Genser's book on operation Gladio. Shocking revelations ensue.

Simple fact is: western intelligence love to target children with explosives. Outrage is good print for imbeciles such as frequent this site.

So far the only relevant point I can find is that these tactics seem to be universal - and universally despised. Terrorists use them to induce terror. Nations use them to ... cause terror and confusion. I understood long ago that much of our country's history, to include recent times, includes such things. When the evidence supports the conclusion that a given event represents an example of this, I'll readily accept it.

9/11 doesn't appear to be an example of the US Government involved in such activity - rather other nefarious agencies committed the actions here. It was still a conspiracy, if you will, not within the US Government, but within a highly radical group of well educated extremists. The only solid evidence presented leads to this conclusion.

Opinions about President Bush don't count as evidence. That the US government has engaged in equivalent actions in the past is not evidence it happened on 9/11. Circumstantial evidence only goes so far and is useless when solid evidence leads elsewhere.

[dubfan]

What's your point here? The NRO simply isn't and wasn't in charge of defending US airspace. The drill conducted in their office was irrelevant to the US military's response on 9/11.

Pssst....dude. The NRO owns the space beams.

[Morphology]

gotta run for a few hours.

I'''l be back :)

[Peephole]

So far all you've done is insulted people, distorted the truth, appealed to emotion the majority... and then you link-dumped someone else's work in an attempt to prove via gibberish.

You forgot he threatened us with the guillotine. Doesn't that warrant a ban or something?
Pssst....dude. The NRO owns the space beams.
Haha, I was just thinking the same thing.

[beachnut]

are all CT guys poor typist?, he is plinking away right now as we type at light speed

[Pardalis]

I'''l be back :)

Why?

[switchtech]

“we didn't know enough about performing operations in the middle east and plans were developed to remedy that deficiency. Then in the 1990s we had to put some of that practice to practical use.”

Indeed you did, kid. A carpet of bombs or a carpet of bombs. You can’t possibly be this naive. Run – don’t walk – to Smedley.


Proof that Turn of the Century 1901 = Turn of the Century 2001? So trashing the WTC is good for big business? If big oil and big business were really so savvy they'd invest in ways to abandon oil and leave the Middle East in the lurch (actually, with China and India up and coming, actually arrived, oil consumers, the US will rapidly become a bit player).

(big General Smedley quote - snipped)

Duh. Smarten up, kid. Look to your elders.

General Smedley only proves he was in on the racket in the early 1900's. He doesn't prove President Bush is today. Of course that doesn't mean G.W. gets a clean political bill of health - but it in no way implicates him in 9/11.

Some of my elders have become senile, or were scoundrels, so I must pick and choose my elders carefully before looking to any.

[DarkMagician]

gotta run for a few hours.

I'''l be back :)
Take your time.

[Peephole]

Lol. "If you're referring to the Bende Van Nijvel, they never discovered who was behind them. You don't have clue what you're talking about".

Lol. Read Daniel’s book and get back to me, sweetheart.

It's not known who the perpetrators were, stop making **** up.

[mortimer]

Ibtl

[orphia nay]

How are you CT guys able to make it day to day?"

It's a constant struggle...not.

Actually sweetheart, us truthers lead relatively normal lives.

Yet there is always an instinctive urge toward revolution, I admit. We wackos conceive of a radically different society based on outmoded ideals like cooperation (syngergy) and equality.

The system is not just, therefore "truthers" oppose the system.. Some day, we hope and expect, the shills will go the way of the French Revolution. Not pretty, but necessary :)

Perhaps a few heads rolling round, but who's counting?

Bring it on.


1. Define 'Shill'.

2. (a) Provide proven examples of 'Shills'
and if you can't:
2. (b) Detail how you will identify these 'Shills' before executing them.

[Zep]

Why do these people have to tell us when they are taking a break? Do they think their words and quaintly meandering thought-farts are so important to us that we would get lonely if they didn't warn us of their intended absence?

Hey, Cters: Life - Be in it!

[~enigma~]

Ditto, I was just noticing all the threads by new Kooks! Is Hell overpyroclasticly flowing? Sheesh, great work though JREF. They love the negative attention. It is nice to see y'all pick them apart. Nothing new though, I'm waiting to see, how crazy the next theory is. I mean...where do you go after Space Beams?

DTHow about the WTC were destroyed by an invisible monster truck because two teenage aliens (invisible of course) were driving after drinking one too many Uranian beers? There parents found out and to protect their bratty children they reversed time and implanted the memory of the planes and the collapse. Yeah...that's it...go ahead prove me wrong :)

[~enigma~]

Auf Wiedersehen, Morphology!

(I did check that one out before I posted ;) )
You mean tschuss.

[Firestone]

Belgium had a particularly noxious unit. They put on masks, strolled into supermarkets and gunned down old ladies and children – for a good cause, of course.Please, take the first possible flight to Belgium, and solve the case!
We have been waiting for more than twenty years to catch the murderers of the "Bende van Nijvel".
Yes, there have been many theories floated (including the one your refer to), but so far nothing is proved, and no-one has been convicted of these 28 murders.

So please, please, please, come to Belgium TODAY and solve the case for us!
The Belgian people will forever be grateful!

I notice that amongst these posts I encounter nary a single "debunker". Indeed, your pathetic ad hom parade confirms my previous contention: you got nuthin'! You're worse than stooges: you don't even have an argument to begin with! How utterly pathetic! HahahaIrony is apparently totally unknown to CT'ers! :)

(This multi-quote feature is cool. :))

[~enigma~]

Vigilant Guardian
A Russian bomber attack was a hijack with a drone plane?! C'mon, even a retard can give me a better answer than that.