Mel Gibson says, "The Holy Ghost Was Working Through Me"

[billiefan2000]

http://www.canada.com/entertainment/story.asp?id=81618EE2-C58A-428C-B641-26A492BC2520

[arcticpenguin]

Then he should try some immodium.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
http://www.canada.com/entertainment/story.asp?id=81618EE2-C58A-428C-B641-26A492BC2520
From the link, emphasis mine:Mel Gibson says he attended Mass every morning while shooting his new movie, The Passion, because "we had to be squeaky clean just working on this." Whaddya know, Billie. This is a Catholic based movie. It's awful big of you to support their work. I was under the impression that you didn't consider them to be real Christians.

[billiefan2000]

why?

The Holy Spirit works for Christians,which explains why Christians unlike Atheists arent sad.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
why?

The Holy Spirit works for Christians,which explains why Christians unlike Atheists arent sad.

I am an Atheist, but I am not sad.
:)

What do you say now

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
why?

The Holy Spirit works for Christians,which explains why Christians unlike Atheists arent sad. Oh, Billie. with comments like that, why would any atheist ever be sad? :D Seriously, what makes you think atheists are sad?

But, to the point, aparently not only does the Holy Spirit work for Christians, but it also works for Catholics too. But that must mean that Catholics are Christians, right?

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Upchurch

From the link, emphasis mine:Whaddya know, Billie. This is a Catholic based movie. It's awful big of you to support their work. I was under the impression that you didn't consider them to be real Christians.


The Roman Catholic Church who dont believe in what John 14:6 says

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



I consider Catholics who believe Jesus Christ to be Son of God and the only way to Salvation to be Christians.


and Second Now how can any group of individual that calls themself a Christian call themself a Christian if the dont believe Jesus Christ is the son of GOD and dont believe what John 14:6.



A Christian can only be a Christian if they believe what John 14:6 and Romans 3:23 and John 3:16 say.


Just because some Catholic Groups who dont believe JESUS CHRIST is the MESSIAH or just because the MORMON CHURCH or JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES call themselves a Christian Group dont mean squat.


If the believe in Jesus Christ and have turned to Jesus Christ for Salvation than they are a Christian.

[Lord Emsworth]

Billiefan2000,

what if the Bilble has been translated wrong, and you Xians are holding a false faith alltogether?

[billiefan2000]

Do you or anyone else hear know who SIMON GREENLEAF IS?

SimonGreenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ.


He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity.


But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.



Now tell me how one of the best known Experts on Evidence and Information in the USA's history came to that conclusion?

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Do you or anyone else hear know who SIMON GREENLEAF IS?

SimonGreenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ.


He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity.


But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.



Now tell me how one of the best known Experts on Evidence and Information in the USA's history came to that conclusion?

What has that got to do with translations?

How do you know that the idioms of that time were translated correctly?

[Gregor]

Gee Billifan2000 - While I don't know which apologist codswallop you're cutting this from, it doesn't matter.

It's a very weak appeal to authority.

It's basically stating "a famous lawyer thinks the Bible is true, you should too."

And you'll pardon me if I ignore the appeal without any references or bases for opinion.

Hey Billifan2000 - a current Harvard psychology professor thinks that alien abduction is occurring - it must be true.

[Gregor]

BF

And by the way, I have read the gospel accounts of the resurrection and reach the conclusion that because the stories are unauthenticated, contradictory, and hearsay upon hearsay, they should be excluded from court under all relevant legal standards.

And guess what, I know all the Federal Rules of Evidence!

[reprise]

If that's Gibson's excuse for The Passion, I can't wait to hear what "entity" was working through Travolta when he made Battlefield Earth.

[reprise]

If the internet has taught us anything, it's just how willing people are to pass on unverified information to all and sundry.

How do the doctrines any of the major world religions substantially differ from the urban legends which pervade the internet and which are constantly validated because "a friend of mine told me" or "it happened to my friend"? Why should religion not be subject to the same level of scrutiny as any other "friend of a friend" tale?

[scribble]

Originally posted by reprise
If that's Gibson's excuse for The Passion, I can't wait to hear what "entity" was working through Travolta when he made Battlefield Earth.

Haaaa!

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Do you or anyone else hear know who SIMON GREENLEAF IS?
...
Now tell me how one of the best known Experts on Evidence and Information in the USA's history came to that conclusion?
The answer to the first question is NO, I don't. I can't speak for all of course.

So then, in the latter question, you say he is one of the "best known" la-de-da. You haven't established that he is well-known at all. I don't think you would have gotten very far in Harvard Law School with that level of thinking.

[SteveW]

I will never forget a cartoon I saw years ago. It was two monks working on a medieval manuscript and one says to the other: "Wouldn't it be funny if someone one day believed this crap?". Sounds like Billiefan is one of those they were referring to.

I'm an atheist and happy too! ;)

[ceo_esq]

As weird as this film may sound, I'm actually somewhat interested to see it. I think Gibson is a much better-than-average director, and Jim Caviezel and Monica Belluci are both capable of great work.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
As weird as this film may sound, I'm actually somewhat interested to see it. I think Gibson is a much better-than-average director, and Jim Caviezel and Monica Belluci are both capable of great work.

I agree. This movie could just be a bit of revisionist weirdness that I might enjoy.

One thing I am fairly certain about - protestors (who haven't bothered to see the movie of course) - will ensure that it gets much more press than would otherwise be the case.

Barkhorn.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Do you or anyone else hear know who SIMON GREENLEAF IS?

SimonGreenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ.


He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity.


But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.



Now tell me how one of the best known Experts on Evidence and Information in the USA's history came to that conclusion?

Hey Billie;

Here is a link I found after a 1 minute Google search on Simon Greenleaf;
http://christjesus.us/greenleaf.html

And here is the first paragraph;
"Greenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen. Made available online by Shane Rosenthal for Reformation Ink, this essay is in the public domain and may be freely copied and distributed."

Sound familiar???

Tell me Billie - do you EVER think for yourself??

A bit of advice; The brain is a muscle - use it or lose it babe!

Barkhorn.

[bignickel]

I'd like to know who gets blamed for killing Jesus in this new film.

The usual: the Jews?

Or the actual people who always executed any rebels & revolutionarys they found, without hesitation: the Romans.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by bignickel
I'd like to know who gets blamed for killing Jesus in this new film.

The usual: the Jews?

Or the actual people who always executed any rebels & revolutionarys they found, without hesitation: the Romans. Good question. If Gibson is the super-devout Catholic he's supposed to be, he probably has the Nicene Creed in mind, which singles Pilate out for individual responsibility rather than the Jews or the Romans generally.

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
why?

The Holy Spirit works for Christians,which explains why Christians unlike Atheists arent sad.

My wife is a Christian and she is currently battling depression. Now, are you going to drag out the ancient classic "she's obviously not a REAL christian".

[billiefan2000]

Even Christians go through sadness sometimes,but Atheists always go through it cause they have no hope.


Dragonrock,I lost a friend of mine last year and I still miss her dearly cause she was a good friend who I cared about much,so to say that Christians arent sometimes sad is wrong.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Even Christians go through sadness sometimes,but Atheists always go through it cause they have no hope.


Dragonrock,I lost a friend of mine last year and I still miss her dearly cause she was a good friend who I cared about much,so to say that Christians arent sometimes sad is wrong.

But to say Atheists are always sad is equally wrong. It is, in fact, patently absurd. THey are in general neither more nor less sad than anyone else

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Even Christians go through sadness sometimes,but Atheists always go through it cause they have no hope.


Dragonrock,I lost a friend of mine last year and I still miss her dearly cause she was a good friend who I cared about much,so to say that Christians arent sometimes sad is wrong.

Atheists aren't sad. The reason my wife is depressed is that she is recovering from religious abuse at the hands of christians from Pensacola Christian College and Bob Jones University. Both are places that if you were to visit I'm sure you would believe everything the schools say.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Even Christians go through sadness sometimes,but Atheists always go through it cause they have no hope.


You do have a point Billie. I am SAD because your posts make little sense. And I have NO HOPE that you will ever change.



;)

Barkhorn.

[Dragonrock]

It looks like billiefan's Tough Question Alarm (tm) went off and she ran away to hide her head under a blanket. The more I see what my wife has gone through, the more I know religions were invented to control the masses.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Dragonrock
It looks like billiefan's Tough Question Alarm (tm) went off and she ran away to hide her head under a blanket. The more I see what my wife has gone through, the more I know religions were invented to control the masses.

He/She/It will be back sooner or later, though likely not in htis thread, with the same song and dance and pretending that the tough questions aren't there.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



The Roman Catholic Church who dont believe in what John 14:6 says

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Unless you happen to be Thomas the apostle, this quote doesn't exactly apply to you.


and Second Now how can any group of individual that calls themself a Christian call themself a Christian if the dont believe Jesus Christ is the son of GOD and dont believe what John 14:6.



A Christian can only be a Christian if they believe what John 14:6 and Romans 3:23 and John 3:16 say.
Where, in the bible, does it say a Christian must believe in those two exact verses in order to be considered a Christian?

I believe this is merely a statement of your opinion, or someone else's which has been fed to you.


Just because some Catholic Groups who dont believe JESUS CHRIST is the MESSIAH or just because the MORMON CHURCH or JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES call themselves a Christian Group dont mean squat.
(Batman theme) Na na na na na na na na STRAWMAN! Na na na na na na na na STRAWMAN! Strawman! Strawman! Strawman!

You'll notice that all the groups you mentioned accept Christ as a savior. You'd think all those crosses, pictures, statues of, and prayers to Jesus might mean something.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
why?

The Holy Spirit works for Christians,which explains why Christians unlike Atheists arent sad.

I am a Christian, and I am VERY sad right now!!:( :rolleyes:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
[B]


The Roman Catholic Church who dont believe in what John 14:6 says

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



I consider Catholics who believe Jesus Christ to be Son of God and the only way to Salvation to be Christians.

Which is pretty much all Catholics!!

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Dragonrock


Atheists aren't sad. The reason my wife is depressed is that she is recovering from religious abuse at the hands of christians from Pensacola Christian College and Bob Jones University. Both are places that if you were to visit I'm sure you would believe everything the schools say.

I am so sorry to hear about your wife. I totally empathize. I have continually suffered mental and emotional abuse at the hands of Christian leaders in churches. I have just recently left my current church due to some betrayal and hurt that occurred.

My life was happier before I ever got involved in church going.:(

[Trish]

Even Christians go through sadness sometimes,but Atheists always go through it cause they have no hope.

This sounds like the guttertripe that tried to get past the CO legislature in the form of requiring that 'In God We Trust' be posted in all publicly supported buildings and organizations.

Hope is left to the individual, since hope itself is based upon an individuals dreams, desires, and circumstances.

I am a happy, content atheist. I have good friends, a child that will make an excellent addition to the future of the human race, wants and desires that now seem like reachable goals, and a job. What else is there, besides someone to share life with, that I need? That will come in time or not. I don't worry about the situation and don't let it make me sad, since I am the one in control of my own happiness. I don't need an outside source for happiness, most atheists I know don't need one either.

[Trish]

Heh, also wanted to ask, what was working through Gibson when he worked on that awful film 'Signs'?

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
why?

The Holy Spirit works for Christians,which explains why Christians unlike Atheists arent sad.

Guess what Billieflam. I'm an atheist and I've NEVER had a headache in my life! I don't catch colds. I'm RARELY sick.

I'm so naturally happy every day, if you ever met me you'd think I was all screwed up on Jesus...but I'm not

I think the Lord would frown upon your behavior in this forum. You are not trying to save us - you are being antagonistic. Your Lord loves us just as much as he loves you. You are being difficult and obtuse. I think it would be fairly safe to say: Jesus will damn you to hell for your behavior in this forum.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


I believe Mithra said "I am the way, the truth, and the life" WAY before Jesus. Or don't you EVER study history.

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by Ruby


I am so sorry to hear about your wife. I totally empathize. I have continually suffered mental and emotional abuse at the hands of Christian leaders in churches. I have just recently left my current church due to some betrayal and hurt that occurred.

My life was happier before I ever got involved in church going.:(

Thank you for your concern and I'm sorry for you also. I'm pretty much disgusted with organized religion of all forms. I really feel that the true believers are a minority in religious leadership and that most have succumbed to the thrills of power.

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Then he should try some immodium.
I need affirmation. I would like just one person to stand up and say, "That was a darn good one-liner!"

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by triadboy

I believe Mithra said "I am the way, the truth, and the life" WAY before Jesus. Or don't you EVER study history.
I once watched "Mothra vs. Gameron" on Mystery Science Theatre 3000. Is that close enough?

[triadboy]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

I need affirmation. I would like just one person to stand up and say, "That was a darn good one-liner!"

I laughed out loud. Very good!

[triadboy]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

I once watched "Mothra vs. Gameron" on Mystery Science Theatre 3000. Is that close enough?


I love that show.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

I need affirmation. I would like just one person to stand up and say, "That was a darn good one-liner!"

I laughed very hard at that one. It was pithy and applied very well to the topic at hand.

Barkhorn.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

I need affirmation. I would like just one person to stand up and say, "That was a darn good one-liner!"


Hey AP. I'll affirm it. I just read it, and although I'm still sitting down, I'll say that it was a darn good one-liner.

AS

[arcticpenguin]

Thanks guys, the check's in the mail.