Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[LTC8K6]

Wow; first ever guy to be hit with a bigfoot rock? Did he save the rock? how much would that be worth? how about testing it for DNA? of course, being a LE, he would have preserved the evidence....
http://cryptoreports.com/bigfoot-sighted-during-georgia-expedition

Vogan claims to have seen the creature using night vision equipment as it stood behind a tree.

Bigfoot uses night vision equipment?

[captain koolaid]

Bigfoot uses night vision equipment?

It was inevitable. Have already warned about the deadly, deadly consequences of "Human Bigfoot". The next step in the escalating Sasquatch reign of terror is chainsaws, people. Or, at least pointy sticks. There will be blood shed unless they are stopped.

[Deacondark]

Some of these pictures looked really familiar. Especially River's pictures. I guess they could be getting them from the BFF

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151036833310721.768591.10150169543715721&type=1

[Strawberry]

I don't know whether or not this has been mentioned yet, and I'm not reading through 107 pages to find out, but serial killer Cary Stayner claims to have seen Bigfoot.

[River]

Some of these pictures looked really familiar. Especially River's pictures. I guess they could be getting them from the BFF

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151036833310721.768591.10150169543715721&type=1

Yeah I like how they used it to identify the casts. I guess they dont get the important meaning of that. :)

[William Parcher]

Some of these pictures looked really familiar. Especially River's pictures. I guess they could be getting them from the BFF.

Some of them originated at JREF.

[Skeptical Greg]

Quite a bit of Munns' stuff..

[parnassus]

seems like the Higgs bosun has been found; announcement coming tomorrow. At the same news conference, it is expected that the same scientists will also report the finding of a bigfoot.....oh, wait, they're telling me I have that wrong.....okay, they will NOT report the finding of a bigfoot. Okay. Higgs bosun yes, bigfoot no. But since the scientists are finished with it, they are offering the use of the Large Hadron Collider to bigfoot researchers for a "Finding Bigfoot" effort.

[Drewbot]

Didnt the invisible BF they captured at UC Berkeley, in the 70's, zap a bunch of Freshmen co-eds with it's HiggsBosun?

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I had to look that one up. Not what I was expecting, some wild-boar type thing...

[parnassus]

This guy (http://www.baxterbulletin.com/article/20111213/NEWS01/112130333/Norfork-man-recounts-Bigfoot-encounter) wouldn't lie or hallucinate or make a mistake.
"It took three months to get it from my head to his (the sculptor's) head," said Clifford LaBrecque, 73, of the fiberglass-and-fur model of Bigfoot he commissioned in 1976 at a cost then of $9,000.

"It's accurate to the inch," LaBrecque says.

The striking model of Bigfoot stands 8 feet tall in the dining room of LaBrecque's home. He says it depicts accurately what LaBrecque remembers from sightings and a physical encounter with a Bigfoot specimen on June 18, 1977, and from many descriptions of the creature prior to his experience.

The encounter happened, according to LaBrecque, between 9-10 p.m. near a woodpile behind LaBrecque's home in the Windsor Heights suburb of Des Moines, Iowa. Prior to the altercation, LaBrecque says he observed almost nightly a Bigfoot specimen — about 8 feet tall — that sometimes appeared with two apparently juvenile Bigfoot creatures.

[Deacondark]

This guy (http://www.baxterbulletin.com/article/20111213/NEWS01/112130333/Norfork-man-recounts-Bigfoot-encounter) wouldn't lie or hallucinate or make a mistake.


I grew up in Des Moines, and saw that sculpture at the Iowa State Fair when I was 10. I remember people talking about him being a loon, and a hoaxer back then.

The most telling thing is the location of his supposed sighting. Bigfoot would have had to make it through miles of suburbs, unseen, to get to where the incident took place.

[HarryHenderson]

I grew up in Des Moines, and saw that sculpture at the Iowa State Fair when I was 10. I remember people talking about him being a loon, and a hoaxer back then.

The most telling thing is the location of his supposed sighting. Bigfoot would have had to make it through miles of suburbs, unseen, to get to where the incident took place.
And yet, he saw Bigfoot! I'm glad he makes it clear who he won't listen to. "I'm not going to listen to anyone who doesn't know crap telling me I don't know crap" LaBrecque said. Apparently, he knows crap. Such a well spoken guy. Obviously an animal lover too. He shoulda been Marlin Perkins' replacement on Wild Kingdom™.

[Deacondark]

And yet, he saw Bigfoot! I'm glad he makes it clear who he won't listen to. "I'm not going to listen to anyone who doesn't know crap telling me I don't know crap" LaBrecque said. Apparently, he knows crap. Such a well spoken guy. Obviously an animal lover too. He shoulda been Marlin Perkins' replacement on Wild Kingdom™.

He also claims to have a video of one, but won't show it to people because he doesn't want to hear anyone talk crap. If it's such a clear video, who could talk crap?

[LTC8K6]

An inspection of the woodpile the next day and after subsequent sightings found bark pulled from the split wood and the inner surface of the tree bark gnawed away.

Strangely similar to bear behavior...

[Deacondark]

Strangely similar to bear behavior...

Being Iowa, (and having grown up in Iowa) I would say it was a Badger. They pull the bark from trees and eat the grubs they find between the bark and the tree. Badgers can get pretty big, and if he saw one on top of the woodpile, in the dark, and as we know he was already a "bigfoot researcher", his mind probably instantly went into Bigfoot overdrive mode, and nothing will change what he thinks he saw.

But yeah, I'm going with a Badger as the most likely explanation.

[LTC8K6]

Well, bears peel it on live trees. They eat the cambrium layer. I don't know if bears bother with cut wood or not. I suppose they'd eat grubs, too.

[Drewbot]

Bark never falls off of split logs... It only gets pulled off by some creature.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Being Iowa, (and having grown up in Iowa)

Me too. The year he commissioned the bigfoot statue I graduated high school in Marshalltown. Won the state wrestling title in Des Moines that year at 112 lbs, yikes. I was in all the Des Moines high schools back then for sports. It's about the last location you would pick for a bigfoot sighting. But he's from Des Moines, so that's why bigfoot was seen!

I would say it was a Badger.

I imagine he's telling an altogether tall tale. I don't remember him at the fair.

The best thing at the fair back then was the ride that chewed up all the people and spit them out in pieces into dump trucks out back. I forget the name of it. In the arts & crafts place. It won awards. Real funny sculpture. The "people-eater" or something. Everyone is in a long line out front eating popcorn and all. Mom, Dad, and the kids. Then the pieces are coming out the back, all bloody and hacked up.

[Deacondark]

Me too. The year he commissioned the bigfoot statue I graduated high school in Marshalltown. Won the state wrestling title in Des Moines that year at 112 lbs, yikes. I was in all the Des Moines high schools back then for sports. It's about the last location you would pick for a bigfoot sighting. But he's from Des Moines, so that's why bigfoot was seen!



I imagine he's telling an altogether tall tale. I don't remember him at the fair.

The best thing at the fair back then was the ride that chewed up all the people and spit them out in pieces into dump trucks out back. I forget the name of it. In the arts & crafts place. It won awards. Real funny sculpture. The "people-eater" or something. Everyone is in a long line out front eating popcorn and all. Mom, Dad, and the kids. Then the pieces are coming out the back, all bloody and hacked up.

I don't remember that one! Would have been cool to see. I want to Saydel all through school. Spent a lot of time outdoors, never saw a bigfoot. Saw every other animal native to Iowa though.

[RayG]

Being Iowa, (and having grown up in Iowa) I would say it was a Badger.

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RayG

[The Shrike]

News Flash: There are no skeptics of bigfoot. I learned this in a fascinating and original thread on the BFF in which the OP could not imagine why a real skeptic would visit there.

[mikeyx]

News Flash: There are no skeptics of bigfoot. I learned this in a fascinating and original thread on the BFF in which the OP could not imagine why a real skeptic would visit there.

I saw that, amusing....

As a NONskeptic, that dump gets a little sadder every day.

[HarryHenderson]

News Flash: There are no skeptics of bigfoot. I learned this in a fascinating and original thread on the BFF in which the OP could not imagine why a real skeptic would visit there.
At least you're always learning. And seriously, no really I mean it, here's a laurel and hardy handshake for the shrike The Link™. No. Wait. So couldn't it be argued that there are in fact no Real Bigfoot Skeptics™? That 'we' are all instead Bigfoot Bleever Bigots™? I mean, there is no beast, there never was any beast, nor was there even the possibility of such a beast, and we all know it. So we're not skeptical of Bigfoot, we're skeptical of Bigfoot bleevers' intelligence. I know for a fact we don't say 'There is no Bigfoot' near as much as we say 'Is Meldrum actually brain dead?' :jaw-dropp

I saw that, amusing....
As a NONskeptic, that dump gets a little sadder every day.
Call me confused (or just call me, damnit), but where exactly do you, Mr. X, stand on Bigfoot at this 'juncture'? Just curious.

[mikeyx]

At least you're always learning. And seriously, no really I mean it, here's a laurel and hardy handshake for the shrike The Link™. No. Wait. So couldn't it be argued that there are in fact no Real Bigfoot Skeptics™? That 'we' are all instead Bigfoot Bleever Bigots™? I mean, there is no beast, there never was any beast, nor was there even the possibility of such a beast, and we all know it. So we're not skeptical of Bigfoot, we're skeptical of Bigfoot bleevers' intelligence. I know for a fact we don't say 'There is no Bigfoot' near as much as we say 'Is Meldrum actually brain dead?' :jaw-dropp


Call me confused (or just call me, damnit), but where exactly do you, Mr. X, stand on Bigfoot at this 'juncture'? Just curious.

Saw something I cant easily explain, disgusted by the amount of BS online. Not getting into it further. Are we good?

[BravesFan]

Got sent this pic as evidence on the BFF (before I went down in a blaze of glory over there with the lunatic fringe)
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv240/macheesmo3/badbigfootpic.jpg

The guy who sent it to me said it was caught on a game cam and wasn't very happy when I pointed out the polyester make up of the suit fabric....

Some people just will never face the truth. How could anyone think this was an animal?

[LTC8K6]

That's a well known suit, imo...

[HarryHenderson]

Saw something I cant easily explain, disgusted by the amount of BS online. Not getting into it further. Are we good?
Thank you. We be.

Got sent this pic as evidence on the BFF (before I went down in a blaze of glory over there with the lunatic fringe)
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv240/macheesmo3/badbigfootpic.jpg

The guy who sent it to me said it was caught on a game cam and wasn't very happy when I pointed out the polyester make up of the suit fabric....

Some people just will never face the truth. How could anyone think this was an animal?
Well, we know Mikey didn't see this particular 'beast' because this one is easily explained. :p

[The Shrike]

Got sent this pic as evidence on the BFF

Bigfooters never lie, so this must be a real bigfoot.

Bigfooters never get duped by hoaxers, so this must be a real bigfoot.

Bigfooters never mistake other animals for bigfoot, so this must be a real bigfoot.

Conclusion: that's a real bigfoot.

[mikeyx]

Thank you. We be.


Well, we know Mikey didn't see this particular 'beast' because this one is easily explained. :p

it is obviously the well known that has been seen around. the sad thing is most on the bff will want to believe it.

[Deacondark]

Got sent this pic as evidence on the BFF (before I went down in a blaze of glory over there with the lunatic fringe)
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv240/macheesmo3/badbigfootpic.jpg

The guy who sent it to me said it was caught on a game cam and wasn't very happy when I pointed out the polyester make up of the suit fabric....

Some people just will never face the truth. How could anyone think this was an animal?

It also appears that someone used the blur tool in photoshop on it. THe blur just doesn't look kosher to me.

[BravesFan]

Now they are over there discussing the link between Bigfoot and UFO's........

I have figured out that there are at least 3 kinds of Squatch believers:

Those who think they are magical and connect them with every sort of paranormal, bizarre attribute . (the crazies)

Those that claim to have had a sighting in person. It's something they can't explain and it intrigues them.(yet believe it's just an animal and not magic)

Those that have based their belief on the concept that "everybody can't be lying or wrong eh?" (again, no magic involved)

I can deal with the 2nd two, in the long run they are either mistaken or I am... Besides there is something there, in their opinion, but it's just a critter in the woods. I am not going to say it's IMPOSSIBLE for Bigfoot to exist. it's rather unlikely and there is no evidence to support this. But at least the latter 2 groups are reasonable people!

Seriously, how do we go from Bigfoot might be out there, to "he's a shape shifting, dimension jumping, EMF emitting, infrasound zapping, UFO riding man ape from the future?"

[LTC8K6]

Seriously, how do we go from Bigfoot might be out there, to "he's a shape shifting, dimension jumping, EMF emitting, infrasound zapping, UFO riding man ape from the future?"

When you can't find one, or even evidence of one, and you need to believe, you have to explain the lack of evidence.

This came up initially, I think, because sasquatch tracks tend not to arrive or depart, they are just there. They needed to explain that.

They tend to just begin and end out of nowhere.

Like at Bluff Creek. Patty never walked in to the PGF site. Her tracks just begin creekside.

This is, of course, most likely because hoaxers are making the tracks.

I have remarked a number of times that bigfoot is very boring. He just appears, walks straight along, and then disappears. He never kicks a pine cone, or skips, or does a little dance, or plays in the mud with his toes, or runs and trips, etc. Just walks. Two of them never race each other.

[RedRatSnake]

LTC8K6

This came up initially, I think, because sasquatch tracks tend not to arrive or depart, they are just there. They needed to explain that.

That is a very good point, never thought of it that way.

Tim :)

[BravesFan]

Indeed I had never thought of that either, nor have I seen it discussed in regards to the PGF before! (RRS go stir up some trouble with this over there!)

[LTC8K6]

The explanation for the lack of arrival tracks for the PGF site is that Patty walked in on the "hard" road...which explains nothing...

[BravesFan]

The explanation for the lack of arrival tracks for the PGF site is that Patty walked in on the "hard" road...which explains nothing...

I have been a Bigfoot junky since I was a kid (yet never joined a bigfoot forum until a few months ago and after I did I figured out why) Yet something I had never heard discussed was the whole "where did the tracks come from?" argument! I guess it never popped into my head to even ask that question. (I reckon it's because I was usually too busy thinking that the tracks looked either faked or interesting, usually faked).

Thanx for making me consider this entire issue in a different manner!

[Drewbot]

I ve stood under that sign. Houghton Michigan. No bigfeet there though.

[BravesFan]

I ve stood under that sign. Houghton Michigan. No bigfeet there though.

I stumbled across it while searching for an avatar and liked it!

the real question is are Michigan Bigfoot's Spartan or Wolverine fans?

[mikeyx]

I have been a Bigfoot junky since I was a kid (yet never joined a bigfoot forum until a few months ago and after I did I figured out why) Yet something I had never heard discussed was the whole "where did the tracks come from?" argument! I guess it never popped into my head to even ask that question. (I reckon it's because I was usually too busy thinking that the tracks looked either faked or interesting, usually faked).

Thanx for making me consider this entire issue in a different manner!

It fair to say you will learn squat of value on the subject at the BFF in it's present form, unless you want to "Jane Goodall" the crazies.

[BravesFan]

I think this may be the first time I've heard Jane Goddall used as a verb! :D

[RedRatSnake]

(RRS go stir up some trouble with this over there!)

LOL ~ I will pass on that i don't wish too totally destroy my rep in case i want to go back, besides it will make no difference at all, some want it so much that even Janice Carter's story's are making a come back, best to just leave them alone.

Tim :)

[LTC8K6]

LOL ~ I will pass on that i don't wish too totally destroy my rep in case i want to go back, besides it will make no difference at all, some want it so much that even Janice Carter's story's are making a come back, best to just leave them alone.

Tim :)

You're kidding...

[Beaver Hateman]

Now they are over there discussing the link between Bigfoot and UFO's........

I have figured out that there are at least 3 kinds of Squatch believers:

Those who think they are magical and connect them with every sort of paranormal, bizarre attribute . (the crazies)

Those that claim to have had a sighting in person. It's something they can't explain and it intrigues them.(yet believe it's just an animal and not magic)

Those that have based their belief on the concept that "everybody can't be lying or wrong eh?" (again, no magic involved)

I can deal with the 2nd two, in the long run they are either mistaken or I am... Besides there is something there, in their opinion, but it's just a critter in the woods. I am not going to say it's IMPOSSIBLE for Bigfoot to exist. it's rather unlikely and there is no evidence to support this. But at least the latter 2 groups are reasonable people!

Seriously, how do we go from Bigfoot might be out there, to "he's a shape shifting, dimension jumping, EMF emitting, infrasound zapping, UFO riding man ape from the future?"


If you walk into a room empty except for 2 guys and one guy says "There's a unicorn in this room" and the other one says "There's a unicorn in this room, but it's invisible, which is why you can't see it", you could certainly make a case that the second guy is less crazy than the first.

[mikeyx]

You're kidding...

sadly, he's not. The loons have taken over.

[GT/CS]

So to which web-site have the non-loons gone?

[jhunter1163]

So to which web-site have the non-loons gone?

There are non-loon Bigfoot bleevers?

[RedRatSnake]

I posted on the JC thread figuring to get a laugh out of her using kids See n Says as a way to attract BF, never thought the thread would start getting serious posts.

My guess on the non loons ~ lol~ most just got bored with the small circle of evidence that keeps getting rehashed into new and crazier ways for BF to exist.


Tim :)

[GT/CS]

There are non-loon Bigfoot bleevers?

There certainly are non-loon believers (usually people who have seen something they can't explain) but there are probably not any non-loon enthusiasts.

[William Parcher]

There are non-loon Bigfoot bleevers?

No, there aren't. But there are Bigfoot believers who will tell you that they shouldn't be regarded as loons. There are also folks who will tell you that a certain believer shouldn't be regarded as a loon.

[Drewbot]

There are non-loon Bigfoot bleevers?
I think the 'non-loon' bleevers are actually people who know bigfoot is fake, but act like it is real in order to make money.

Although, that is probably an entirely different type of loon all by itself.

[Volsquatch]

News Flash: There are no skeptics of bigfoot. I learned this in a fascinating and original thread on the BFF in which the OP could not imagine why a real skeptic would visit there.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGm8sB_6koU

Then watch it again and change the characters to this:

Bugs = the basic casual Bigfooter/Fence Sitter, or "Bigfoot Enthusiast"

Jekyll/Hyde = Giganto/Sweaty/Mulder/Pick-Your-Proponent

Carrot = "Bigfoot Science"

Jekyll's mansion = BFF

Formula = PGF

...and it will all make sense.

[CTB]

This is a drive-by posting for which I hope I'm not going to get into trouble from the mods.

It is yeti related.

Here's my link:some evidence debunked (http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-east-fife/edinburgh_scientists_solve_mystery_of_yeti_finger_ from_nepal_1_2026530)

[BravesFan]

This is a drive-by posting for which I hope I'm not going to get into trouble from the mods.

It is yeti related.

Here's my link:some evidence debunked (http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-east-fife/edinburgh_scientists_solve_mystery_of_yeti_finger_ from_nepal_1_2026530)

At the BFF they are probably using this as confirmation of Ketchum's human findings!!! LMAO!!

[BravesFan]

Yeah it's gone bonkers over on the BFF. There's a new guy who keeps saying the old standby "evolution is just a theory" as if that makes it akin to their theory of Bigfoot is magical. Not to mention in the "Bigfoot/UFO connection" thread, they are now discussing intelligent spheres of plasma energy that several people seem to have experienced. (as well as meeting Bigfoot AND UFO's)

Some people have all the luck! :D

[mikeyx]

This is a drive-by posting for which I hope I'm not going to get into trouble from the mods.

It is yeti related.

Here's my link:some evidence debunked (http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-east-fife/edinburgh_scientists_solve_mystery_of_yeti_finger_ from_nepal_1_2026530)

Good luck with that, Artwhatsinname in particular seems to have a strong lil self righetous streak among others. Say the wrong thing you get slapped. Question Meldrum you will get slapped.

[mikeyx]

Yeah it's gone bonkers over on the BFF. There's a new guy who keeps saying the old standby "evolution is just a theory" as if that makes it akin to their theory of Bigfoot is magical. Not to mention in the "Bigfoot/UFO connection" thread, they are now discussing intelligent spheres of plasma energy that several people seem to have experienced. (as well as meeting Bigfoot AND UFO's)

Some people have all the luck! :D

Actually in General Discussion alone, they have Biscardi supporters being listened to, Janice Carter is being embraced, and Bigfoot has a ufo connection all while being a ghost on top of that.

The Lunatic Fringe has free reign at this point and is imo embraced by some of the management.

[Drewbot]

MikeyX, the funny thing is, that Janice Carter, Biscardi, and UFO Bigfoot supporters, all have one thing in common with Bigfoot-is-an-animal/human supporters... They all have exactly the same amount of verifiable evidence supporting their different claims.

[tube]

An excellent examination of the argument that Gigantopithecus is Bigfoot:

http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/12/28/gigantopithecus-and-crackpot-cryptozoologists/

[mikeyx]

An excellent examination of the argument that Gigantopithecus is Bigfoot:

http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/12/28/gigantopithecus-and-crackpot-cryptozoologists/

Rick Noll once made an argument on the BFF about giganto fossils in Alaskan caves.

Details trailed off from there......

[BravesFan]

Judging by the eyeshine in this picture, I would say me and my buddy have been possessed by Bigfoots (or else Ketchum's DNA study is correct and I AM a bigfoot!)

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380141_10151105984855287_646975286_22338921_188494 2270_n.jpg



just to clarify , I'm the Squatch on he left in the silly Oscar the Grouch gear

[Blue Wode]

Does this new sighting count?

'Yeti' filmed in Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nilIlxObXec

News report here:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1683130.php

:rolleyes:

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I think the 'non-loon' bleevers are actually people who know bigfoot is fake, but act like it is real in order to make money.



Or to seek attention. Add people that think of it as a fun and harmless hobby too.

By construction though, the more years that go by with bigfoot hunters from an era of space-age technology being unable to find this massive creature where thousands are said to roam - the more untenable it becomes. So what kind of arguments are left other than loony ones?

[Tontar]

Rant Mullins...


"Mullins was told the costume was made of bear hides."
Michael Dennett, Skeptical Inquirer, 1982
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There's SO much to read, on so many threads and forums. This is the first time I have seen it mentioned about the possibility that the Patty suit might be made of bear skins. I've heard various materials, fake fur, horse hide, cow hide, and the horse and cow hide ideas never seemed reasonable to me. I always thought that bear skin would be an easy to obtain and natural looking fur to use. Interesting...

[Tontar]

I have remarked a number of times that bigfoot is very boring. He just appears, walks straight along, and then disappears. He never kicks a pine cone, or skips, or does a little dance, or plays in the mud with his toes, or runs and trips, etc. Just walks. Two of them never race each other.

Hmmm. Among the stories and theories bigfoot can run quite fast, faster than a human can. Fast enough to run down a deer in order to capture it. They can stride easily over tall fences. They can move with the grace of a cheetah. Yet they never leave prints when they do all that? They only leave small sets of prints when they decide to stomp along heavily pounding prints into the ground. I would think that if a bigfoot could run faster than a human, they would eventually leave prints with strides well beyond the standard 40x inches. I know when I run as slow as a human, I leave pretty long strides. Maybe with speed and during maneuvering they somehow get lighter and don't leave good prints.

[LTC8K6]

How can you run fast with long strides with your mid-tarsals broken?

[Drewbot]

it is an adaptive feature.

[Tontar]

How can you run fast with long strides with your mid-tarsals broken?

I'm sure a theory could be developed. ;-)

But realistically, there's not a lot that makes sense about a MTB for a biped, or a bigfoot. Apes have feet for grasping and climbing and for quadrupedal motoring around. It's good to have floppy hand/feet in their terrain. Gorillas and chimps aren't the best examples when considering MTB and speed. Baboons would be better examples because they can inhabit open plains and terrain, yet even so, they only move fast on all fours. Flappy feet are not the best design for producing pursuit or escape speed on two legs.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

There's SO much to read, on so many threads and forums. This is the first time I have seen it mentioned about the possibility that the Patty suit might be made of bear skins. I've heard various materials, fake fur, horse hide, cow hide, and the horse and cow hide ideas never seemed reasonable to me. I always thought that bear skin would be an easy to obtain and natural looking fur to use. Interesting...

pro tip:

In The Making of Bigfoot, Greg Long interviews the manufacturer of the gorilla suit Roger Patterson ordered. His name is Phillip Morris. Patterson ordered extra material, and modified the suit by adding boobs, and modifying the face.

It's about the best book out there because he is the only one who interviewed the circle of people in Yakima connected to the hoax, the most important of which is Al DeAtley, Roger's brother-in-law, who produced the film.

[parnassus]

New Hampshire state park bigfoot hoaxer vindicated (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/01/14/court-upholds-bigfoot-free-speech-rights/5FbjTzN0KwQisJuKkqCGyH/story.html). Learn what "panoptic" means....

[parnassus]

How to find your own research area, and other stories: a bigfoot magazine.

I have to say, these footer folk are REALLY determined to make themselves look silly.

[River]

SweatyYeti, on BFF (http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/topic/5441-pgf-recreation-proposal/page__view__findpost__p__133913)

Another good question would be....why would Sweet Susi say something like this???... ...



I actually saw a living black haired Bigfoot! From the safety of our car no less! I actually truly saw a real living BIGFOOT!
How's that for Big news? We were only maybe 10 or so feet apart. I didn't even have time to become frightened.



Congratulations, Susi!!! It couldn't have happened to a Sweeter... ...individual!!


Here is Susi's description of her sighting...

After we picked up Bucky hubby set his new super duper GPS to get us from where we were to Texarkana.
Well, hubby just followed the GPS and after about 30 miles from our dog's rescue we were suddenly on a Texas highway that was a terrible washboard dirt road with deep holes and very bumpy, but thankfully dry.
We passed no one the entire time we were on that road.

Once again I was looking around and I happened to be looking out hubby's side of the car because I was asking him to please turn around because the road was terrible, we were all alone out there,had not passed another vehicle coming towards us, and I was worried about harming our car, or breaking down out there in the middle of no where!

While I was looking out hubbies side of the car I saw a huge blackish creature with long arms duck down behind a tree.
I told hubby that I just saw a BF and could we please turn around and he said no way am I stopping or turning around.
So I think that I saw a Bigfoot. What else could it be?
A huge hunter dressed in black ducking down? The sighting lasted perhaps 5 seconds or a little longer because I was facing it and saw it as got to it's position.
Anyway, there are Bigfoot in the woods off of hwy.7 in Texas.
I have finally gotten up the courage to tell you about this sighting. I'm just trying not to think about it because we were so very vulnerable all alone out there with nothing to protect ourselves with.
The BF was no more than 15 feet from us.


Sweaty, is that in any way more credible than this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FP3kznKXbaQ#t=29s)? If so, in what way?

[LTC8K6]

A dirt road in bad shape in the middle of nowhere would generally not be considered a highway.

[mikeyx]

Sweaty, is that in any way more credible than this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FP3kznKXbaQ#t=29s)? If so, in what way?

responding to posts on other forums are we? Has sweaty even been by here of late?

[Deacondark]

I'm pretty familiar with the area she's talking about, but don't think I've ever been on "hwy 7" near Texarkana. There is a Highway 77, but it's pretty smooth. Maybe I need to do a little research.

[Deacondark]

OK, I found Highway 7 on Google Earth. It's a long way south of Texarkana, and, judging by the street view feature, is a well maintained stretch of highway. It's about halfway between Texarkana and the gulf coast, running west-east from Waco, through Nacogdoches and Martinsville on it's way into Louisiana.

[BravesFan]

Susi is a nice lady and all. But judging by her constant ability to conveniently "see" wtvr cryptid/paranormal thing that is under discussion, I wouldn't put much stock in her stories. It's like Sasfooty lite.

[jhunter1163]

If you're in a car, you HAVE a big freakin' weapon at your disposal. If I was driving and really felt threatened by a Bigfoot, well... let's just say Parnassus would have to change his sig.

[parnassus]

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[AlaskaBushPilot]

It was a riveting narrative.

The washboards, bumps, and holes in the road - terrifying.

[parnassus]

How to find your own research area, and other stories: a bigfoot magazine.


I inadvertently omitted the link (http://www.mid-americabigfoot.com/jan-2012-mag.pdf)to this new online Bigfoot magazine. Now you can find your own research area.

[The Shrike]

Nothing like the sound of a car speeding down a rutted road to catch an uber-stealthy Bigfoot by surprise. . .

[BravesFan]

Nothing like the sound of a car speeding down a rutted road to catch an uber-stealthy Bigfoot by surprise. . .

Maybe squatchy thought it was a huge 3 legged deer just a wobblin down the road?

[The Shrike]

Well it really does illustrate how little time a lot of these folks must spend in the field. One of my greatest frustrations in field work - especially nocturnal work when I'm surveying for owls - is road noise. It's nigh-on impossible for a vehicle to approach without my knowledge. If bigfoots are intelligent creatures that do not wish to be seen, then we should have ZERO accounts of them being spotted on roadsides. If they somehow choose to let some people see them, then why don't they choose someone with a camera?

[William Parcher]

If bigfoots are intelligent creatures that do not wish to be seen, then we should have ZERO accounts of them being spotted on roadsides. If they somehow choose to let some people see them, then why don't they choose someone with a camera?

I've said it before; it's as if the entire population of Bigfoots are intentionally preventing scientific confirmation of their existence but do allow all other forms of evidence (to the believers).

Strictly forbidden: Scientific confirmation of existence.

Allowable: Be seen. Be heard. Be photographed. Leave tracks. Throw rocks. Etc.

[LTC8K6]

Well on the one hand, they never get hit by cars or dump trucks because they are smart and know about roads.

On the other hand, they are often seen near roads by people in vehicles.

They are highly intelligent and wary, yet every believer who stumblebums into the woods loudly and head first, hears or sees them, or gets near them...

[GT/CS]

And don't forget about their sense of humor.
They love messing with humans by making sure they show up in the backgrounds of our videos.

[swanjackal]

Wouldn't it be fantastic, that if there was an actual "Bigfoot", it actually created a bigfoot costume to wear over their original fur/skin, just to throw doubt by anyone witnessing them, so they would even cast doubt by perpetuating their own myth. Now that would be an interesting dilemma. Bigfoot hoax instigated by bigfoot himself. He'd be one clever wookie.

[atpeace]

Woo definition number #1: ALL woo can only and ever be witnessed by bleevers in that woo.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Well it really does illustrate how little time a lot of these folks must spend in the field. One of my greatest frustrations in field work - especially nocturnal work when I'm surveying for owls - is road noise. It's nigh-on impossible for a vehicle to approach without my knowledge.

Absolutely. Two other things -

Watch a townie crashing through the woods, or rather listen to him. You can hear them coming from a great distance. I never take more than three steps at a time if I am trying to be quiet because you can't plan further ahead than that in terms of not stepping on twigs or leaves, or having your clothes brush on things. I've lost deer bow-hunting because just drawing my arm back for the shot makes enough noise to spook them.

How many 'footers have you heard talking about approaching from downwind so they don't catch your scent? How many wear skunk or deer musk to mask the human scent? How many hang their clothes outside to absorb the outdoor odors and dilute the smell of laundry detergent?

[atpeace]

I agree, even though there is nothing there to find, your suggestions should wake up the novice and tv viewers to the absurdity of their techniques and methods and thus question the whole experience. But, then again, the footers got it covered as BF are conveniently very ambiguous creatures and so I guess require ambiguous (difficult to comprehend) methods

[Drewbot]

Looks like MITT ROMNEY just lost Sasquatch's Endorsement... Could be huge in South Carolina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBfX9Nz3dJU

[Mark6]

I knew a guy in USAF whose feet were so big his boots had to be custom made.

So you see, not only Bigfoot exists, some of them are smart enough to (almost) disguise themselves as human!

[The Shrike]

OK, which one of you guys broke the BFF?

[mustbeso]

I thought it was perpetually broken.

[parnassus]

OK, which one of you guys broke the BFF?

I suppose they will be shuffling over here, dragging their woo along behind them. /fixes canapes, straightens drapes.

[Drewbot]

Springer should have a show called 'I Hunt Bigfoots' he has to be running out of DNA children. He could have the bigfoot hunters bring in DNA samples and test them on the show.

[parnassus]

Springer should have a show called 'I Hunt Bigfoots' he has to be running out of DNA children. He could have the bigfoot hunters bring in DNA samples and test them on the show.

actually, he could just start testing random children, since bigfoot is human.

"Louise, you wanted your child tested because all the neighbors tell you he smells bad. Today we have run his DNA against Dr. Melba Ketchum's patented Bigfootest kit, and we found that he is.............drum roll..............

A BIGFOOT!!!"
[/audience: ooooooooooooooooohhhh!]

[The Shrike]

Would the child bigfoot then throw a chair?

[Drewbot]

Would the child bigfoot then throw a chair?

Yes, but the cameras will miss it.

[parnassus]

Clear closeup of Bigfoot published (http://wonkette.com/462559/gross-close-ups-of-mitt-romneys-face-based-on-this-tnr-cover)!!

[Spektator]

No, no, Parnassus. That's the subspecies big foot in mouth.

[parnassus]

George is actually not a physically imposing man. You may recall he vacationed in Hawaii last Christmas, and we had the condo next door. He gives his height at 6-2, but I would doubt that, unless he wears high heels (my son is 6-3 200 and he dwarfs George); and his footprints in the sand are not very deep. Doesn't displace much water in the hot tub; and didn't run down any deer, at least not that I noticed.

[Drewbot]

Who is George?

[parnassus]

Who is George?

aha, you didn't follow my link. Romney.

[Drewbot]

Followed the link, didnt see a George reference tho.

[parnassus]

Followed the link, didnt see a George reference tho.

quite right; Mitt; I need a nap.

[parnassus]

Everyone was wrong: there is a giant nationwide conspiracy (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2011/06/iphone-bigfoot-hoax-theres-app-for-that.html) of bigfoot hoaxers.

[captain koolaid]

Everyone was wrong: there is a giant nationwide conspiracy (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2011/06/iphone-bigfoot-hoax-theres-app-for-that.html) of bigfoot hoaxers.

The NSA is behind this app. Obviously NSA. Or, Men In Black. A plot to discredit the real deal. Then, they swoop in, cordon the squatchy area and capture Bigfoot for their secret weapons labs, before it turns invisible or goes "zzzzt" into another dimension. The scumbags.

[Correa Neto]

Nope, not NSA. We're too busy with our black helicopter and jets, our DVD-erasing EMP weapons and our regular bigfoot dung removal efforts. There are a couple of open positions in that sector, by the way. Anyone wishing to apply?

[captain koolaid]

Nope, not NSA. We're too busy with our black helicopter and jets, our DVD-erasing EMP weapons and our regular bigfoot dung removal efforts. There are a couple of open positions in that sector, by the way. Anyone wishing to apply?

That's right... you're one of Hawking's jackbooted thugs aren't you? No way, man. I ain't no narc. I'm keepin' it real...

(edited to add) Unless the pay is really, really good. And I get one of those flashy things. And a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. And size 11 jackboots.

[Drewbot]

Nope, not NSA. We're too busy with our black helicopter and jets, our DVD-erasing EMP weapons and our regular bigfoot dung removal efforts. There are a couple of open positions in that sector, by the way. Anyone wishing to apply?

Yes, I am much too busy with my NSA assignment of going through the Library of Congress, removing photos of all the dead bigfoots we removed from the Mt. St. Helens blast radius.

[ufology]

My older brother and his wife said they saw something fitting the description of a Bigfoot, although they described as more "hulk" like. It was a pretty strange story. I don't recall the exact date but it was when I was quite young, so the early 1960s. They were parked up on a hill overlooking town ( Calgary ) when this thing came running toward them over the rise. The dog started growling so they cracked the door to let it out and the thing stopped instantly and noticed them. Then the dog got out and started chasing it. It went down into a small gully and they followed the creature's footprints in the snow until they came to a barbed wire fence, at which point the footprints simply ended mysteriously as if the creature had vanished into thin air.

[Drewbot]

Obviously not a Bigfoot. Dogs are afraid of Bigfoot (unless specially trained Bigfoot Dogs).

This is obviously a Windigo.

[ufology]

Obviously not a Bigfoot. Dogs are afraid of Bigfoot (unless specially trained Bigfoot Dogs).

This is obviously a Windigo.


Well ... our dog wasn't afraid of anything and the large hulk like shape doesn't really fit with the descriptions of a Windigo ... but neither does it fit perfectly with Bigfoot. I dinno what it was and neither do they.

[23_Tauri]

Fits the description of something else beginning with 'W' though... ;)

[LTC8K6]

My older brother and his wife said they saw something fitting the description of a Bigfoot, although they described as more "hulk" like. It was a pretty strange story. I don't recall the exact date but it was when I was quite young, so the early 1960s. They were parked up on a hill overlooking town ( Calgary ) when this thing came running toward them over the rise. The dog started growling so they cracked the door to let it out and the thing stopped instantly and noticed them. Then the dog got out and started chasing it. It went down into a small gully and they followed the creature's footprints in the snow until they came to a barbed wire fence, at which point the footprints simply ended mysteriously as if the creature had vanished into thin air.

A bigfoot (or something similar) came running towards them and all they did was let their dog out of the car?

Why didn't they flee?

What was the dog supposed to do against a bigfoot?

And the bigfoot ran away from the dog?

What were they going to do do if they ran into the bigfoot while following it?

[Drewbot]

Well ... our dog wasn't afraid of anything and the large hulk like shape doesn't really fit with the descriptions of a Windigo ... but neither does it fit perfectly with Bigfoot. I dinno what it was and neither do they.

Wow. A specially trained Bigfoot dog? You could make some cash on Finding Bigfoot, if Matt Moneymaker knew about this.

[parnassus]

Wow. A specially trained Bigfoot dog? You could make some cash on Finding Bigfoot, if Matt Moneymaker knew about this.
I've been led to believe MM spends his cash on certain other products. Of course, that might just be a rumor.

[ufology]

A bigfoot (or something similar) came running towards them and all they did was let their dog out of the car?

Why didn't they flee?

What was the dog supposed to do against a bigfoot?

And the bigfoot ran away from the dog?

What were they going to do do if they ran into the bigfoot while following it?


Large animals can be spooked by little ones and apparently the creatures tend to avoid humans, so when the car light went on and the dog started after it, it was probably just spooked. Anything any size can be spooked. My brother figured he was a tough guy ( and actually he was ) and since the dog had gone after it they figured they'd go check it out.

[ufology]

Wow. A specially trained Bigfoot dog? You could make some cash on Finding Bigfoot, if Matt Moneymaker knew about this.


Our dog died years ago, poisoned by neighbors whose dog they let run free and which would come over and pick on our dog. Except it would get the crap kicked out of it and then they'd blame our dog. But hell ya, that dog would chase anything ... does that mean he was "specially trained" ... you could almost say that. My older brother and his friend used to go out and encourage their dogs to fight with each other ( some sort of stupid teen thing ) and for a while they got into some kind of rather sick thing with dog fighting. My dog was almost killed more than once, but eventually he learned how to fend for himself ... really well ... and when he was told to "get 'em" there was just no fear at all.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Sometimes we go on walks from the apartment to the city green and we see dogs that are really big and mean-looking. If it wasn't for the leash laws, we wouldn't go down there.

So I have little doubt there are dogs that would chase a bigfoot. The problem I have with the story is the prints stopping at the barbed wire. Were there like big trees around the fence to climb up in?

[jhunter1163]

Our dog died years ago, poisoned by neighbors whose dog they let run free and which would come over and pick on our dog. Except it would get the crap kicked out of it and then they'd blame our dog. But hell ya, that dog would chase anything ... does that mean he was "specially trained" ... you could almost say that. My older brother and his friend used to go out and encourage their dogs to fight with each other ( some sort of stupid teen thing ) and for a while they got into some kind of rather sick thing with dog fighting. My dog was almost killed more than once, but eventually he learned how to fend for himself ... really well ... and when he was told to "get 'em" there was just no fear at all.

Our family had a dog die years ago, also poisoned by a neighbor who was upset about dogs in the neighborhood peeing on his landscape (he had about $30,000 worth of ornamental plants on his property.) My dad confronted him about it; the neighbor looked him right in the eye and said "Prove it."

My father owned a lawn-care business; about a week later he went out late at night with a can of soil sterilant, the stuff they use on baseball infields, and killed every plant on that guy's property. Within about two weeks that yard looked like the moon. He had to truck in new soil, must have cost him fifty grand to replace all the plants and everything. He showed up at our house ready to fight, screaming at my dad, "You SOB, I know it was you, it had to be you, couldn't be anyone else..."

Dad looked him right in the eye and said, "Prove it."

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

[Tontar]

I've been led to believe MM spends his cash on certain other products. Of course, that might just be a rumor.

Alberto VO5?
http://www.vo5haircare.com/products/#conditioning-treatments/original

[captain koolaid]

Well ... our dog wasn't afraid of anything and the large hulk like shape doesn't really fit with the descriptions of a Windigo ... but neither does it fit perfectly with Bigfoot. I dinno what it was and neither do they.


Your brother and his wife know what it was. They haven't told you the full story. They had a run in with both a hulk and a wendigo.

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo212/ilovecomics247/mwom197.jpg

[parnassus]

I've seen some horny women, but....

[ufology]

Sometimes we go on walks from the apartment to the city green and we see dogs that are really big and mean-looking. If it wasn't for the leash laws, we wouldn't go down there.

So I have little doubt there are dogs that would chase a bigfoot. The problem I have with the story is the prints stopping at the barbed wire. Were there like big trees around the fence to climb up in?


It was getting dark and they didn't go past the fence, so maybe this creature was able to jump the fence and land some distance away on the other side where the footprints weren't visible in the fading light. I don't think his wife was into climbing barbed wire fences after monsters in the dark, but perhaps if they had been able to cross over they may have picked up the trail again.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Well it was already more than most of us would do. I'll just stick with Discovery Channel.

[Drewbot]

ABP.
You're doing it (The Bigfoot Legend) wrong.

Dogs are, every one of them, afraid of Bigfoot. No exceptions. Unless they are specifically trained to NOT BE afraid of Bigfoot.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I've been humiliated.

[Drewbot]

This is why Roger Patterson had to bring in specially trained "BIGFOOT DOGS FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA", and didn't want the local bloodhounds to even bother tracking the beast. As a Bigfoot Expert, he knew the folly of sending simple police dogs after such a brute.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Ahhhh... Another interesting gimmick. I don't know anything about tracking dogs, but every dog I had my whole life was useful in picking up a game scent. So if a game bird had crossed the trail or a bunny or somehting, the dog would veer off and you might get a shot off at something.

But that's another reason to leave the PGF scene - if someone actually is bringing in dogs then all trails lead to Roger Patterson.

We thought about driving out to the edge of town today and maybe staying until dark to see if we can spot something. But we're not going to leave the car like those other people, no way. Maybe roll the windows down so we can listen for those knocks or calls.

[Howie Felterbush]

I don't know how my dog feels about Bigfoot, but I do know she pukes on the floor whenever Finding Bigfoot is on TV.

[captain koolaid]

ABP.
You're doing it (The Bigfoot Legend) wrong.

Dogs are, every one of them, afraid of Bigfoot. No exceptions. Unless they are specifically trained to NOT BE afraid of Bigfoot.

How, exactly, does one train dogs to NOT be afraid of Bigfoot? Wouldn't such training require something along the lines of running down... a Bigfoot? The intricacies of Bigfoot dog hunting seem to be beyond my understanding. At what point can one confirm that a dog has been successfully trained to NOT BE AFRAID OF BIGFOOT? It can't be when said dog/s capture one... for the obvious reason. How do SERIOUS BIGFOOTERS conclude that a dog is, or is not, afraid of the forest monster? If the dog doesn't go off where the creature went, it is afraid? If it does take pursuit, but chickens out after a while, it isn't afraid? Without a bagged Bigfoot, wouldn't the only unafraid Bigfoot dogs, be dead dogs?

I am too dense to get this. Help me Drew, you're my only hope.

[GT/CS]

A bigfoot-finding dog would be a great new prop for "Finding Bigfoot".

[Drewbot]

How, exactly, does one train dogs to NOT be afraid of Bigfoot? Wouldn't such training require something along the lines of running down... a Bigfoot? The intricacies of Bigfoot dog hunting seem to be beyond my understanding. At what point can one confirm that a dog has been successfully trained to NOT BE AFRAID OF BIGFOOT? It can't be when said dog/s capture one... for the obvious reason. How do SERIOUS BIGFOOTERS conclude that a dog is, or is not, afraid of the forest monster? If the dog doesn't go off where the creature went, it is afraid? If it does take pursuit, but chickens out after a while, it isn't afraid? Without a bagged Bigfoot, wouldn't the only unafraid Bigfoot dogs, be dead dogs?

I am too dense to get this. Help me Drew, you're my only hope.

I guess you don't get how Bigfootry works. Some people have lots of sightings, some people know how to get audio of Bigfoot, some people know how to train dogs that aren't afraid of Bigfoot.

When you are attempting to portray yourself as the World's foremost Bigfoot expert, clearly you must have special dogs, otherwise any dork with a bloodhound could track down the beast. Do you really think Roger had special Bigfoot dogs? Or do you think it was just a ploy to keep local dogs from visiting the site?

[jhunter1163]

I don't know how my dog feels about Bigfoot, but I do know she pukes on the floor whenever Finding Bigfoot is on TV.

I have the same feeling whenever I see that show.

[tsig]

It was getting dark and they didn't go past the fence, so maybe this creature was able to jump the fence and land some distance away on the other side where the footprints weren't visible in the fading light. I don't think his wife was into climbing barbed wire fences after monsters in the dark, but perhaps if they had been able to cross over they may have picked up the trail again.

The discovery of the century, fame, money and they lost out because of a barbed wire fence. Life is funny.

[tsig]

This is why Roger Patterson had to bring in specially trained "BIGFOOT DOGS FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA", and didn't want the local bloodhounds to even bother tracking the beast. As a Bigfoot Expert, he knew the folly of sending simple police dogs after such a brute.

If BF can throw a pig a dog hasn't got a chance.

[LTC8K6]

If BF can throw a pig a dog hasn't got a chance.

And BF can throw a pig... :)

[parnassus]

Huffington Post interviews (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/bigfoot-animal-planet_n_1237461.html) Renae, who sounds pretty reasonable until the end, and MM, who looks like he needs a bath and an intervention.

I have to say, I don't know how this show can go on for much longer. It may have attracted good ratings for Animal Planet, but it's just boringly the same each time. Not to mention MM's reported habits.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

The host was brilliant. He "learned" what riparian meant on the day of the interview, which meant Ranae was an expert in gorillas and such. The ones with gills, I guess. It has always bothered me when a host is pretending that vocabulary beyond the 6th grade is some huge feat. She has an undergraduate degree and they are calling her a "research scientist" because she is an actor on a TV show.

It's painfully obvious that Ranae pretends to be a skeptic until she needs to rush in there to counter any kind of skeptical question. One of the worst lies is the claim about four hundred years of native bigfoot history. They know the difference between western legends like Paul Bunyan, the Easter Bunny, and Peter Pan vs. history. They know the difference between native folklore and reality too.

I'd have to agree the show can't just keep repeating the same format. The longer you stay at it the more obvious it becomes what they're up to.

[River]

"They're real and they're out there"

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x379/127007/YG9Vw.jpg

[HarryHenderson]

A bigfoot-finding dog would be a great new prop for "Finding Bigfoot".
That's a really good idea. Dogs don't know the 'truth' of Bigfoot. In theory they could get one to chase whatever they wanted. Say like a coyote they call Sasquatch. Bobo "Fay" Fey and Mutt Moneygrabber can then easily 'act' all real and stuff.

"It's so Squatchy around here. Wait. Shhhhhhh. Oh wow, look at that mofo dog go! Ha ha! Did you see that? That dog just opened a can of whoop ass on a poor unsuspecting Sasquatch." "Uh guys, we're in the public toilet in the Quahog bus station, it's not Squatchy around here. And who brought the dog?"

...I'd have to agree the show can't just keep repeating the same format. The longer you stay at it the more obvious it becomes what they're up to.
Yep. And that's the same curse that condemned the other Bigfoot TV shows. It's like they forget they're proposing the beast is real. An audience is willing to be teased a little, but there's only so many times you get to credibly 'act' like you almost got him. For Bobo and them to ultimately win, a real Bigfoot has to show up at some point in the game. I won't be shocked when/if one actually does. Cause you know it's always so Squatchy wherever they go. :eek:

[mustbeso]

Mellissa Hovey is allegedly posting a picture of a bigfoot at 1:00 eastern time. It is either the 'best photo of bigfoot since Patterson/Gimlin" or a very elaborate hoax. Supposedly she has been sitting on this for 4 years because the contributor would not respond to her emails. This all comes from Bigfoot Evidence and there doesn't seem to be enough pins and needles to go around. Any bets?

[parnassus]

Today, amid much ballyhoo, renowned blogger and bigfootress Melissa Hovey revealed a supposed bigfoot photograph, given to her 4 years ago by an unknown person who has subsequently failed to call her the next day become extinct vanished from her speed dial the face of the earth.

Ever the drama queen (http://txsasquatch.blogspot.com/2012/02/evil-researchers-are-you-on-list.html), she writes:
First of all, thank you, to those who sent emails of support and messages on Facebook.
This is not about money, fortune or fame. If that were the case I would have done this a long time ago....I have been struggling these last 7 days. I don’t expect anyone to believe me, and I expect no sympathy.

I sat on this for 4 years
Apparently it is about something to sit on.

Hovey seems to get advice from Melba Ketchum's PR person:
I totally understand this photo will be diced and sliced. Just remember to re-insert the copyright before you share privately or anywhere on the internet. I will enforce this.

oh, plz don't throw a pig at me if I yoink yer oh so vallabull blogsquatch.

Here's the beauty of Melissa: someone gave her this photo. She said she would post it unless the person comes forward. The person comes forward and says don't publish now, wait a couple months. She decides to post it anyway. Then at the end she has the stones to write: I feel comfortable with my decision. I have done all that I can.

For any witness who is wondering if I can keep a promise, the answer is yes. But, trust is a two way street. If you are honest with me, I am honest with you.

Actually the answer is no. But then, up is down in the world of Bigfooters.

Anyway, here is the POS image she's talking about; supposedly from a game cam. I have no comment other than to cite Renae's reaction to Moneymaker's cattle story.
http://i43.tinypic.com/206lfl5.jpg

[Tontar]

Here's the link to the photo itself.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yzIQTDQENHI/T0Z0zfVn65I/AAAAAAAABBM/7O1SBCl_Ybo/s1600/2012%2BWatermarked%2BGamcam%2BPhoto.jpg

The story says it is from a game cam. The thing that jumps out at me first are the plants in the background. They aren't far away, so the camera (if it was a game cam) must have been set up to watch the flowering bushes at night. The sasquatch seems to have wedged itself between the camera and the bush, possibly to smell the flowers? Are those honeysuckle, or clematus? Next, I thought that game cams used infrared flash, not visible white flash and color photos. Maybe there are various kinds, but most game cam photos I've seen tend to be B&W...

[Drewbot]

Wow.

[William Parcher]

It looks like a painting or CGI.

[Drewbot]

Clearly you can see letters printed on the back of the costume...
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/568/lettersx.jpg




It looks like a painting or CGI.

Yes- like perhaps Nightwing's work

[GT/CS]

I wonder if she knows a cop from Georgia.

[mustbeso]

The blowup of the pic looks like yarn, maybe the suit was knitted by Betsy Ross. I think even the hard over footers will reject this one.

[River]

Sorry about that picture guys. I've been meaning to shave for a while, and its hard to reach back there. What a wakeup call getting your photo posted all over the web. :-/

[LTC8K6]

What the heck is that thing supposed to be?

[GT/CS]

Hot damn, I figured it out! He's taking a leak on the bushes.

There must be a bigfoot-only bar nearby and since bigfoots haven't invented indoor plumbing they all pee on the bushes.

[The Shrike]

I've been assured many times that it's entirely impossible for a bigfoot to be captured in a camera trap. They are simply too smart and too wary of anything that emits EMR and smells of humans.

[William Parcher]

Enlarged to 200%. The background foliage looks weird. Maybe this is a costume or mannequin.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/59c8da62.png

[William Parcher]

Strange height for a gamecam. They usually mount them down at critter level. This one is up at Bigfoot shoulder height.

The thing is that Melissa is ripe for being suckered into a hoax, or knows/thinks it's a hoax but looks good enough to pass along to her believer flock.

[Drewbot]

I have asked for a photo from the builder. But it could be a rear view of the 'Beast from Echo Mountain' Bigfoot costume.

see Clawed - The Legend of Sasquatch (2005)

[Tontar]

This one wasn't smart enough to avoid the camera trap entirely, but it was smart enough to shuffle sideways between the camera and the honeysuckle vines, doping the sideways limbo to hide its face like Brittney from the paparazzi.

I think it's a mannequin, decorated up. Easier to make a fake mannequin than a suit, especially for a still photo. Stuck in the backyard in front of the honeysuckle plants so it would look halfway convincing that it was in the "woods". Snapped a shot with the pocket camera, cropped it down to get rid of the bits of arbor showing through the vines. Just doesn't make sense to set up a camera trap to watch the garden plants. And I haven't checked, but anyone know if there are color trail cams that have visible flash?

[LTC8K6]

Looks a bit like that suit Jason Valenti wears, but not exactly, I don't think. Valenti wears a familiar suit in a color I haven't seen before.

http://sasquatchresearch.net/jason_corner.html

[LTC8K6]

I have asked for a photo from the builder. But it could be a rear view of the 'Beast from Echo Mountain' Bigfoot costume.

see Clawed - The Legend of Sasquatch (2005)

Could be.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/sasq.jpg

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/bf-movie-costume/

[Howie Felterbush]

Looks like a Chewbacca costume.

He just took the bandolier off for the photo.

[tube]

A quick Google Image search for "game camera pictures" shows a number of color photos taken at night with flash.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=593&q=game+camera+pictures&gbv=2&oq=game+cam&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=1&gs_upl=2427l3817l0l6133l8l8l0l0l0l0l117l734l4.4l8l 0

I can't see any motion blur. My guess is that it's a mannequin, something like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthetube/1835115079/

[parnassus]

Strange height for a gamecam. They usually mount them down at critter level. This one is up at Bigfoot shoulder height.

The thing is that Melissa is ripe for being suckered into a hoax, or knows/thinks it's a hoax but looks good enough to pass along to her believer flock.

I would also wonder about a game cam focusing on such a close object; again, four plus years ago, I don't imagine they were doing autofocus, and without autofocus, you have to choose a fixed focus lens; if you choose one that focuses on something a few feet away, you may not be able to focus on the usual animal which is many feet away. May not be an important issue, as it seems to me that once you get past 6 feet for a relatively small aperture, it's almost like infinity in terms of focus.

If your priest assigns you to do penance by spending an hour with Melissa, you can do that by watching a video here (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2011/05/conundrums-interview-with-melissa-hovey.html).
p.

[Avindair]

Enlarged to 200%. The background foliage looks weird. Maybe this is a costume or mannequin.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/59c8da62.png

Since everybody else has pointed out:


The "height" of the "game camera"
The odd look of the plants
The lack of any discernible motion
The lack of matting, or dirt on the "hair"


...I'll add in the fact that the "skin" is awfully pale for a supposed "Wood Ape."

The lack of movement, the strangely clean hair, the almost perfect echo of the classic "sasquatch" profile, the close proximity to the "leaves", and the lack of a facial shot all lead me to believe it's a maquette of some kind.

As a maquette, it's a pretty nice piece of work. As evidence of a mythical bipedal ape it's complete and utter *****.

[The Shrike]

Most game cam photos show an automatic date/time stamp. Any grounds for suspicion that this one doesn't? (You know, to add to the already fertile ground for suspicion.)

[demonunderyourbed]

could even be a shot of this one..http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_443254f46c1497ec5d.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=25354)

[parnassus]

So many reasons it's not a trailcam photo.

The story is preposterous, when you think about it. There is not a shred of evidence to support Melissa Hovey's story. We used to say, he who smelt it, dealt it. Cui bono? Melissa Hovey is the only cui that I can think of.

p.

[GT/CS]

could even be a shot of this one..http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_443254f46c1497ec5d.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=25354)

It certainly could be.
http://www.bigfootlunchclub.com/2011/08/making-of-letters-from-big-man.html

[BravesFan]

Well, one of the commenters on BE stated that Melissa used to work at a museum in Texas that had a display of a large Bigfoot type creature peeking through the trees and that this is a picture of said creature from behind...

[tube]

Various incidents from the past show that provenance and custody of scientific, literary, and artistic artifacts is often intentionally hidden by those bringing these things forward. Examples include:

1. David Rorvik. In his book In His Image, the Cloning of a Man Rorvik claimed first-hand association with the "rich industrialist" being cloned, but never named him.

2. Han van Meegeren. Van Meegeren always claimed that the paintings he brought forth were on behalf of individuals that wanted to remain anonymous.

3. Frank Hansen. Hansen's Minnesota Iceman was claimed to have been come into his possession via a "rich anonymous millionaire."

4. Cliff Crook. Crook claimed than an anonymous individual had provided his "Wild Creek" Bigfoot photos.

[River]

Florida skunk ape is another great example of anon photos emerging. (with the palm fronds)

[parnassus]

Various incidents from the past show that provenance and custody of scientific, literary, and artistic artifacts is often intentionally hidden by those bringing these things forward. Examples include:

1. David Rorvik. In his book In His Image, the Cloning of a Man Rorvik claimed first-hand association with the "rich industrialist" being cloned, but never named him.

2. Han van Meegeren. Van Meegeren always claimed that the paintings he brought forth were on behalf of individuals that wanted to remain anonymous.

3. Frank Hansen. Hansen's Minnesota Iceman was claimed to have been come into his possession via a "rich anonymous millionaire."

4. Cliff Crook. Crook claimed than an anonymous individual had provided his "Wild Creek" Bigfoot photos.

quite a list!!

Joseph Smith ha ha .According to Joseph Smith, he returned the golden plates to Moroni after they were translated and as of 1838 the angel Moroni still had the plates in his possession.[1] yahright

[LTC8K6]

Florida skunk ape is another great example of anon photos emerging. (with the palm fronds)

That was the Myakka ape.

The Shealy skunk ape photos/footage were different, iirc. And the hoaxer known. And still active as a footer.

Hmmm...it seems "skunk ape" has now been attached to the Myakka photos as well.

[River]

Correct LTC8K6, Myakka. Thank you!

I remember making this graphic a long time ago for it pointing out the attempt at concealing the face/mouth area with the fronds.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iammenotu/myakkasa.gif

[BravesFan]

Thanx for the Pic! I figured this was a hoax, but had never noticed the fronds thing before! kudos sir!

[demonunderyourbed]

i remember tht pic aswell...i was still at chester zoo then ..we had a good laugh about it..the teeth are tht long it would never close its mouth to eat..and the eye reflection is wrong.

[WGBH]

I saw this picture in Jan 2011. When you look close, so much of it cries hoax. I find it funny that Melissa stamped the name of her Girl scout troup on this and threw it out on Facebook. Another one of her cry for attention schemes. Even Munns is going with hoax.

[GT/CS]

Enlarged to 200%. The background foliage looks weird. Maybe this is a costume or mannequin.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/59c8da62.png

It's the back end of a small long-haired dog, looking from the front. What looks like the head is actually it's tail curled onto its back.
That's why the photo is so severely cropped.

[demonunderyourbed]

It's the back end of a small long-haired dog, looking from the front. What looks like the head is actually it's tail curled onto its back.
That's why the photo is so severely cropped.

lol...or it could be the back of a bigfoot costume..

[parnassus]

I have asked for a photo from the builder. But it could be a rear view of the 'Beast from Echo Mountain' Bigfoot costume.

see Clawed - The Legend of Sasquatch (2005)

some guy who claims to be the maker of Clawed: the Legend of Sasquatch aka The Unknown aka the Beast from Echo Mountain has posted on Bigfoot Evidence that this is the suit from the movie. He says the foliage is identifiable in the film. Anyone with Netflix care to verify?

the foliage appears to be a loquat tree in the late fall. (loquats blossom in the fall and bear fruit in the winter-mild climates, possibly S. Cal.)

http://i42.tinypic.com/24fboqt.jpg

[LTC8K6]

It's the back end of a small long-haired dog, looking from the front. What looks like the head is actually it's tail curled onto its back.
That's why the photo is so severely cropped.

Back end...yeah that's what this is alright! :D

[The Shrike]

Anyone with Netflix care to verify?


I'll look for it tonight, i.e.. take a break from watching every Star Trek in order.

Thanks for the enlarged photo. I'll tell you one thing - that creature ain't surviving no temperate winter without about a 3" layer of brown fat blubber under the skin, a whole lot more clothing, or fire. That hair is probably even more sparse than a chimp's. That ain't no mountain gorilla fur.

[GT/CS]

Yep, the dog theory was lame, especially since the hair flows the wrong direction.

[Drewbot]

some guy who claims to be the maker of Clawed: the Legend of Sasquatch aka The Unknown aka the Beast from Echo Mountain has posted on Bigfoot Evidence that this is the suit from the movie. He says the foliage is identifiable in the film. Anyone with Netflix care to verify?

the foliage appears to be a loquat tree in the late fall. (loquats blossom in the fall and bear fruit in the winter-mild climates, possibly S. Cal.)

http://i42.tinypic.com/24fboqt.jpg

I received a response from HEALY FX STUDIOS.
To address the picture you attached, the hair has much more grey tone and length than we used on Ghost of Echo Mountain. I dont believe that this is from that movie. However, after the movie was released we made numerous copies of the head and body and sold them via our website and ebay...this could be one. In my opinion, the attached picture is absoluetly a costume. These types of costumes are manufactured in numerous pieces and it clearly shows the gap between shoulder and arm prosthetics, the fur is the bridge.

[BravesFan]

This guy posted a video claiming Patty cannot be a human due to shin angle during walking:http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-another-way-you-can-tell-if.html?showComment=1330122117653#c879567021300336 8624


This was then immediately disputed by a skeptic via his video here :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K9V1uUzu-U


I hope SweatiYeti reads this and checks out the rebuttal video at least. Pretty damning evidence IMO.

[parnassus]

I received a response from HEALY FX STUDIOS.
...we made numerous copies of the head and body and sold them via our website and ebay...this could be one. In my opinion, the attached picture is absoluetly a costume...

That would fit with this extreme blowup I may have been given two years ago by someone who doesn't want their name published, which appears to show a gift tag attached to the hair. Now, the name doesn't exactly fit anyone I know, and, frankly, it looks 'shopped....so we may never know for absolute sure who is responsible for this hoax. I am not taking a position one way or the other.
http://i41.tinypic.com/usn0p.jpg

[tube]

This guy posted a video claiming Patty cannot be a human due to shin angle during walking:http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-another-way-you-can-tell-if.html?showComment=1330122117653#c879567021300336 8624


This was then immediately disputed by a skeptic via his video here :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K9V1uUzu-U


I hope SweatiYeti reads this and checks out the rebuttal video at least. Pretty damning evidence IMO.

Great video with the swim fins! This argument has been around for years, with Barbara Wasson's claim that the gait "cannot be reproduced" to Roger Knights "Lower Level Leg Lift."

I addressed this claim some years back myself:

http://orgoneresearch.com/2009/10/19/does-the-patterson-gimlin-film-subject-exhibit-an-inhuman-gait/

[BravesFan]

I think I have seen some of your pictures used by Sweaty to dismiss skeptial claims!!! LOL, good to meet you finally!

[parnassus]

This guy posted a video claiming Patty cannot be a human due to shin angle during walking:http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-another-way-you-can-tell-if.html?showComment=1330122117653#c879567021300336 8624


This was then immediately disputed by a skeptic via his video here :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K9V1uUzu-U


I hope SweatiYeti reads this and checks out the rebuttal video at least. Pretty damning evidence IMO.

Meldrum knows this. He mentions the ground clearance issue in that Stanford test on the Best Evidence program. You can also see it on that skeletonized animation on the Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science disc. Somehow he never gets around to explaining why an animal would evolve as a super-efficient terrestrial biped with feet that require it to walk like that. Those are feet that are suited for liquid environments.

[demonunderyourbed]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/bf-movie-costume/

[River]

I think I have seen some of your pictures used by Sweaty to dismiss skeptial claims!!! LOL, good to meet you finally!

Logifail: I've posted videos before demonstrating the flipper walk over at the BFF. Proponents may fail to notice that people wearing flippers walk in a very similar manor to the film subject.

[demonunderyourbed]

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=797&pictureid=5598

same skin colour..same grey hair..same ear...

[mikeyx]

Here's the link to the photo itself.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yzIQTDQENHI/T0Z0zfVn65I/AAAAAAAABBM/7O1SBCl_Ybo/s1600/2012%2BWatermarked%2BGamcam%2BPhoto.jpg

The story says it is from a game cam. The thing that jumps out at me first are the plants in the background. They aren't far away, so the camera (if it was a game cam) must have been set up to watch the flowering bushes at night. The sasquatch seems to have wedged itself between the camera and the bush, possibly to smell the flowers? Are those honeysuckle, or clematus? Next, I thought that game cams used infrared flash, not visible white flash and color photos. Maybe there are various kinds, but most game cam photos I've seen tend to be B&W...

nope I have some that shoot in color, but this photo is clearly a faAKE IMHO.

[mikeyx]

Strange height for a gamecam. They usually mount them down at critter level. This one is up at Bigfoot shoulder height.

The thing is that Melissa is ripe for being suckered into a hoax, or knows/thinks it's a hoax but looks good enough to pass along to her believer flock.

it is almost conference season....

[mikeyx]

Most game cam photos show an automatic date/time stamp. Any grounds for suspicion that this one doesn't? (You know, to add to the already fertile ground for suspicion.)

temperature to

[mikeyx]

I saw this picture in Jan 2011. When you look close, so much of it cries hoax. I find it funny that Melissa stamped the name of her Girl scout troup on this and threw it out on Facebook. Another one of her cry for attention schemes. Even Munns is going with hoax.

Attention getting is spot on, now for the question, hoaxed or hoax(er) This thing has a very MRPish feel to it.

[Óðinn]

Surely you don't think the trailcam "display" was tampered with? That's way too sophisticated for this. When was the "Clawed" costume auctioned off? 2006? When did Melissa get this photo? 2008? What exactly is the person who bought the costume expected to do with it? Hmmm...what to do? :D

[GT/CS]

This is how a gamecam photo should look.;)

[mikeyx]

Surely you don't think the trailcam "display" was tampered with? That's way too sophisticated for this. When was the "Clawed" costume auctioned off? 2006? When did Melissa get this photo? 2008? What exactly is the person who bought the costume expected to do with it? Hmmm...what to do? :D

Sarcasm dully noted, it just deoesnt look like a trail cam.

[TabletSmudge]

Surely you don't think the trailcam "display" was tampered with? That's way too sophisticated for this. When was the "Clawed" costume auctioned off? 2006? When did Melissa get this photo? 2008? What exactly is the person who bought the costume expected to do with it? Hmmm...what to do? :D

This isnt the same costume.

[TabletSmudge]

Sarcasm dully noted, it just deoesnt look like a trail cam.

With suit like that it is probably the best trail cam money can buy. You just have to crop the date off to post pics if you dont know how to configure the time stamps.

[mikeyx]

With suit like that it is probably the best trail cam money can buy. You just have to crop the date off to post pics if you dont know how to configure the time stamps.

doesnt quite explain the museum esque plant life

[TabletSmudge]

doesnt quite explain the museum esque plant life

The strangest thing to me about the plant life is the position in the photo. I have seen leaves just like that on hikes, but the blooms look strange. The story we are given kinda neutralizes what I thought common sense would be with mounting a trail cam.

[tube]

It's the back end of a small long-haired dog, looking from the front. What looks like the head is actually it's tail curled onto its back.
That's why the photo is so severely cropped.

A dog end, eh? Is it Aqualung's dog?

[TabletSmudge]

same skin colour..same grey hair..same ear...

different colors and the hair is longer in the new costume than that one

[Kilaak Kommander]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/bf-movie-costume/

There are some interesting numbers in the eBay auction for that costume...


This item stands approximately 6′6" (including footware) and was designed for the lead actor who was 6′2" and 210lbs. The suit is quite large, so please be aware that it may require modifications for those smaller than six feet. I myself have tried on this suit (5′10", 175 lbs) and found that by bulking it out using pillow foam worked just fine


Human of average size + padded suit = 6'6" monster.

[LTC8K6]

different colors and the hair is longer in the new costume than that one

A dollar says it turns out to be that suit.

[TabletSmudge]

A dollar says it turns out to be that suit. Make it a dollar and a bit. The hoaxers have a new suit and they wont resist the temptation to release more photos soon.

[LTC8K6]

Make it a dollar and a bit. The hoaxers have a new suit and they wont resist the temptation to release more photos soon.

The only person we can connect to the photo is Hovey, right?
Well, she has a new story...which conveniently explains some of the concerns...

http://txsasquatch.blogspot.com/2012/02/photo-update-and-information.html

After I posted this photo on my blog, I didn’t expect to hear from this witness ever again. Then last night he did in fact email me. While I am not going to get into the bulk of the conversation I will disclose this, because I think it’s important.

He apologized for any confusion and told me this was not the typical game cam set up we are all accustomed to. He said this was a 35mm camera with zoom. He is not sure how the miscommunication happened, but I think he wanted to clarify this piece of information. He said this was a multiple camera set up designed specifically to photograph this alleged animal.

Most likely the miscommunication was on my part due to a lack of understanding when it comes to some of the technical equipment we use in the field. I remember early conversations after the photo was initially analyzed and I was told something about 35mm film. Which, of course, didn't mean much to me. I told this to Wayne and he thought I was confused and this must have been a game cam. So, there was much confusion on this point, stretching back 4 years.

The "zoom" was clearly added to account for some of the problems with the photo, imo. Particularly the apparent "closeness" of the foliage to the subject.

[parnassus]

The only person we can connect to the photo is Hovey, right?
Well, she has a new story...which conveniently explains some of the concerns...

http://txsasquatch.blogspot.com/2012/02/photo-update-and-information.html



The "zoom" was clearly added to account for some of the problems with the photo, imo. Particularly the apparent "closeness" of the foliage to the subject.

pee on my leg, Melissa, but don't tell me it's raining.

[parnassus]

Make it a dollar and a bit. The hoaxers have a new suit and they wont resist the temptation to release more photos soon.

http://i43.tinypic.com/35a6qdw.png

[WGBH]

Hovey will have plenty of stories.She wants the attention because she will be presenting at a few Bigfoot conferences coming up. I cant believe someone was actually dumb enough to think she can contribute. I think her presentations will be about how to see Bigfoot eye shine every time you go on an ABS expedition or how to make smores as you hang at the campfire and squawk on the radio every 30 seconds to the people who actually GO OUT into the woods.

[GT/CS]

Just a reminder that she is a member here.

[LuvGodzilla]

the foliage appears to be a loquat tree in the late fall. (loquats blossom in the fall and bear fruit in the winter-mild climates, possibly S. Cal.)


I agree with the Loquat pictures Parnassus, we had a Loquat in our backyard in S. Cal, the blooms and leaves are identical.

This story and background reminds me of the same disingenuous way MH dealt with Tube on the dessication ridges, soil and testing.

The costume experts see what they expect to see which should put a nail in the coffin of shaggy back. I am surprised this picture wasn't labeled "Amazing, Beautiful and Cutting Edge" at it's release.

Doesn't surprise me that some of MH's past "ardent supporters" are chiming in with chipped shoulders. If you know the back story or have other pictures yourself from "anonymous emailer", out with it, no hedging around, or at least copyright the picture you have with your name or group insignia instead of referring to Girl Scouts which don't deserve to be denigrated and post them to support your claim. :cool:

[GT/CS]

How can she copyright a photo she didn't take and doesn't have permission from the photographer to copyright it?

[LuvGodzilla]

That is a good question and not one I care to dig that deep into but my first thought was a possible statute of limitations and checked that out for about 30 sec (http://www.photoattorney.com/2009/07/q-statute-of-limitations-for-use-of.html). Honestly, since MH is a member here she could answer that question based on her putting the watermark on the picture that belongs to someone else. Don't know if that has already been addressed in her writings or not.

[parnassus]

That is a good question and not one I care to dig that deep into but my first thought was a possible statute of limitations and checked that out for about 30 sec (http://www.photoattorney.com/2009/07/q-statute-of-limitations-for-use-of.html). Honestly, since MH is a member here she could answer that question based on her putting the watermark on the picture that belongs to someone else. Don't know if that has already been addressed in her writings or not.

yoinking the work of others is a long and glorious tradition among 'footers; Roger Patterson set the cob (http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/11/messages/881.html) bar pretty high, and others have followed suit, though none have managed to surpass him.

For his book, he first he sucked the best stories out of John Green's and other journalists' collections, then he yoinked the illustrations from published artists.

Melissa is just carrying on the tradition!!

[mikeyx]

The only person we can connect to the photo is Hovey, right?
Well, she has a new story...which conveniently explains some of the concerns...

http://txsasquatch.blogspot.com/2012/02/photo-update-and-information.html



The "zoom" was clearly added to account for some of the problems with the photo, imo. Particularly the apparent "closeness" of the foliage to the subject.

In spite of the ABS TM Smacked across the photo, the photo was brought into public awareness, and since exploited soley by Melissa Hovey, so bluntly yes...

If it's a hoax, hand her and her alone the mop.

[mikeyx]

Hovey will have plenty of stories.She wants the attention because she will be presenting at a few Bigfoot conferences coming up. I cant believe someone was actually dumb enough to think she can contribute. I think her presentations will be about how to see Bigfoot eye shine every time you go on an ABS expedition or how to make smores as you hang at the campfire and squawk on the radio every 30 seconds to the people who actually GO OUT into the woods.

The Conference angle occured to me as well. But mind the fact that threads have tanked because of past vendettas. I am trying to keep it to the facts. The photo itself looks like a backwards bigfoot mug shot, it clearly to me anyway doesnt look like a trailcam picture, she has attempted to copyright the photo it seems, isnt it the property of the witness?

[mikeyx]

Just a reminder that she is a member here.

Yes she is. She can feel free to answer any question here if she chooses.

[WGBH]

Hey everbody check this out. Looks like MH picture may be a pic of the costume.


http://rwridley.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/breaking-news-on-the-melissa-hovey-bigfoot-picture/

[WGBH]

Hovey, has been shut down. After deflecting the questions I brought up about the photo with untrue personal attacks against myself on FB. I brought up the fact that Tom Biscardi and others were also sent copies of the picture in 2008. A copy of one of the e-mails was forwarded to Billy Willard and now you can hear the crickets chirp. The question was never that the picture is a fake, the question was the motives of Hovey. She can feel free to answer as she is a member here.

[mikeyx]

Hovey, has been shut down. After deflecting the questions I brought up about the photo with untrue personal attacks against myself on FB. I brought up the fact that Tom Biscardi and others were also sent copies of the picture in 2008. A copy of one of the e-mails was forwarded to Billy Willard and now you can hear the crickets chirp. The question was never that the picture is a fake, the question was the motives of Hovey. She can feel free to answer as she is a member here.

truer words never spoken, nothing is preventing those answers, and the fact remains, SHE alone put this photo in the public and is dubiously attempting to claim ownership of it. The questions are there.

[Drewbot]

Good job footers. Usually it takes weeks before you guys figure out you are being played.

hmm. I wonder if my post about the costume from Clawed! looking like the Hovey photo, precedes the claims by the footers over at BF Evidence.

[mikeyx]

Good job footers. Usually it takes weeks before you guys figure out you are being played.

hmm. I wonder if my post about the costume from Clawed! looking like the Hovey photo, precedes the claims by the footers over at BF Evidence.

lets not overlook personal motivations in conjunction with the upcoming footer conference season;

Hovey is a speaker at the one in NY
She is likely also the Art Vandelay of the Creature Weekend in Ohio, with Keating taking the wOID.eek off she would seem intent on filling the void.

[idoubtit]

I have sworn off Bigfoot Evidence blog. And sworn AT the Bigfoot Evidence blog repeatedly. It's a money making website at this point. A tabloid. An exercise in SEO. But that's not unusual.

[parnassus]

I have sworn off Bigfoot Evidence blog. And sworn AT the Bigfoot Evidence blog repeatedly. It's a money making website at this point. A tabloid. An exercise in SEO. But that's not unusual.

I'd advertise on a bigfoot blog. I bet the clickthroughs on ads would be better than anywhere else.

[The Shrike]

Human of average size + padded suit = 6'6" monster.
I found that interesting too.

[BravesFan]

Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any crazier, I ran across this article on BE... http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/02/language-of-sasquatch-douglas-dialect.html?showComment=1330466451824#c1531407691 453108379


deciphering their language? seriously? IS EVERYBODY ON DOPE???????

A creature so elusive it cannot be photographed nor studied in the flesh, yet supposedly there are language experts ?


Man I have got to make some Bigfoot attractant cream and start marketing it over there

[parnassus]

hey, if you start a new thread called "BFF thread of the day", you'd never run out of "shakin my head' material.

[BravesFan]

If Bigfoot was real, even he wouldn't know what to make of this kinda stuff!

[TabletSmudge]

BigfootEvidence has been my playground in recent weeks.

[Joecool]

BigfootEvidence has been my playground in recent weeks.

Proof that bigfoot exists:

Bonafide Footage Of Bigfoot (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyVsHNEBeBk)

[parnassus]

BigfootEvidence has been my playground in recent weeks.

you mean you were swinging on the monkey bars?

[TabletSmudge]

you mean you were swinging on the monkey bars?

:D I have read BFRO and a few bigfoot forums over the years, but the "bigfoot community" is new to me.

[TabletSmudge]

Proof that bigfoot exists:

Bonafide Footage Of Bigfoot (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyVsHNEBeBk)

I shared the jack links and some satire videos with my kids a couple of weeks ago. Those are great. The Canadians had some bigfoot related car commercials recently I dont remember the car manufacturer but it was in their superbowl ads if you havent seen it.

[River]

Exclusive

THIS JUST IN - FIRST TRAIL CAM IMAGE OF JUVENILE BIGFOOT EVER CAPTURED!!!

"It's absolutely the real deal"


http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x379/127007/mf.gif

[parnassus]

looks 'shopped.

[River]

looks 'shopped.

I'm guessn that we might be lookin at different images parnassus. To me I don't see shopped. I see muscle definition N mouth movement. AND I CANT HEAR ANYTHING YOU SAY LALALALALALA.

:jaw-dropp

[LTC8K6]

I'm guessn that we might be lookin at different images parnassus. To me I don't see shopped. I see muscle definition N mouth movement. AND I CANT HEAR ANYTHING YOU SAY LALALALALALA.

:jaw-dropp

Next time, for an authentic touch, use "trial cam" instead of "trail cam".

[Drewbot]

Pointy toe fail.
Bigfoot has big bulbous toes.

[parnassus]

Vancouver Sun (http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/03/01/americans-more-likely-than-canadians-to-believe-in-bigfoot-sasquatch/):Twenty-one per cent of Canadians believe the legendary Bigfoot stomps through the forests. But Canadians don’t quiet have the credulity of our American cousins.

A new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found three-in-ten Americans (29%) and one-in-five Canadians (21%) think Bigfoot is “definitely” or “probably” real.

...

In Canada, Albertans (29%) are more likely to think that Bigfoot is real than British Columbians (18%), even though B.C. is supposed to be prime Bigfoot territory. Nineteen percent of Quebecers believe Bigfoot could be the real deal, compared to 17 per cent of Ontarians (17%). In the United States, respondents in the West (32%) are more likely to believe that Bigfoot is real.

[Night Walker]

Thanks Parn.

What's the story with the International Society of Cryptozoology and how they became defunct? In the late 80s their journal contained some of the best discussions on the Yowie which are now mostly unknown among the internet-age Monster Hunters.

[BravesFan]

Bigfoot pancake expert is now on the case for the Olympic Project. Everybody relax ,lol

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/03/man-who-fed-mcdonalds-pancakes-to.html#moretop



Read this! It literally sounds like an article by The Onion

[AlaskaBushPilot]

deciphering their language? seriously? IS EVERYBODY ON DOPE???????

A creature so elusive it cannot be photographed nor studied in the flesh, yet supposedly there are language experts ?



Well if Merldumb can be so specialized in the mid-tarsal break, and if others are experts in calls and knocks, another in "special effects" costume make-up to write technical hokum... sheesh there's a lot of little niche areas in Bigfootery.

I'm going to produce the "Babes of Bigfoot" Calendar. Copyright and Tradename reserved.

[HarryHenderson]

Bigfoot pancake expert is now on the case for the Olympic Project. Everybody relax ,lol

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/03/man-who-fed-mcdonalds-pancakes-to.html#moretop

Read this! It literally sounds like an article by The Onion
:D You nailed that one. The resemblance to an Onion™ story is (as they say) uncanny.

"...When he didn’t have time to cook pancakes, he’d drive to a local McDonalds and buy a stack. Sasquatch like them smothered in syrup. “I often think I’m leading to their early death by cardio vascular disease. Or the poor things will end up with tooth decay because of all the sweets,” he says with a laugh..."

[Resume]

Bigfoot pancake expert is now on the case for the Olympic Project. Everybody relax ,lol

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/03/man-who-fed-mcdonalds-pancakes-to.html#moretop



Read this! It literally sounds like an article by The Onion

Pfohl is confident that a sasquatch took the snacks rather than a raccoon or bear.

Why, because of all the bigfoot sign left in the area? Prints, scat, hair, snot, etc.

No?

[BravesFan]

I have this great image of a bunch of local hobo's borrowing the same ratty ole shaggy blanket as they go pick up their daily platter of pancakes