Disgusting and sickening: Hunt the Rubble "game"

[WilliamSeger]

As threatened, Ace Baker (TruthSeeker1234) has put his Hunt the Rubble site online, and to make it more nauseating than I could have imagined, he has literally made a "game" of it:

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/HTR/web-content/Pages/HTRHome.html

Like those people who seem to think that if you first say something dismissive about Political Correctness, it's okay to then say something bigotted, Ace "throws up" this in a lame attempt to deflect criticism:


HTR: Bad Taste?

By formatting this as a game, I do not mean to make light of the fact that around 3000 innocent people lost their lives. Finding out what really happened is the sincerest form of respect, and that search must encompass detailed observation. I have discovered that the only way some people can bear to study 9/11 is through games or music. If HTR can stimulate people to wonder and ask important questions, it has served its purpose.
Yes, don't be concerned about the serious questions and the serious lessons to be learned from 9/11; let's ask some stupid questions. If all that reasoning and common sense stuff gets you confused and depressed and just isn't any fun at all, come to the carnival freak show for some music and games. Now that's entertainment.

[The Doc]

I threw up just looking at the site layout.

Hey Ace, if you read this I have a suggestion for you. Show this to one of the victims or one of their families. Let them hunt the rubble and see if you walk out of there without a lawsuit or a black eye.

Let people do their research without you trying to make comedy out of the murder of thousands of innocent people. Your little "hunt the rubble" game is not funny.

[Alt+F4]

Even his "star wars beam" gurus haven't sunk that low. Many CTers are arrogant enough to look at a photograph and suddenly become a structrual engineer. This guy can't even look at a photograph and make out what it is, never mind what caused it!

There are hundreds of photographs of ground zero showing thousands and thousands of tons of debris (steel and other stuff) yet he can't see any of it.

As for turning 9/11 into a game or a song....well some people are incapable of having empathy for the suffereing for others. The only pain they can feel is for themselves.

[Checkmite]

So lots of people disagree on the events immediately preceding the destruction of the World Trade Center - but everybody saw them fall; that much is clear. So what's this guy trying to say - that there's not enough debris on the ground, in his opinion, to account for the towers? Where does he hypothesize it went? Or is he trying to suggest that the towers didn't really fall, or never really existed, or were sucked into a black hole or something - what?

[Lisa Simpson]

I believe he's positing that the towers were destroyed through controlled demolition and that the debris is too small to have been through plane crash/fire/collapse.

[The Doc]

"Pulverized into dust" I believe the assertion is from most twoofers.

But if you look at the dust samples - none contain steel ;)

[Checkmite]

Where does he get the idea that the debris would be any bigger if it had been a plane/fire/collapse deal?

[Bell]

Ace believes that a space beam weapon took out the towers. Don't laugh now.

ETA: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66444

[The Doc]

Ace believes that a space beam weapon took out the towers. Don't laugh now.

ETA: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66444

Oh Christ...

How could anyone with the slightest degree of sanity believe that!

And they call us sheeple... "James Fetzer said it! It's gotta be true!"

[T.A.M.]

Truthseeker1234 hadnt been here in a while (ACE). Was he banned, or suspended, or simply just left?

TAM

[Anti-sophist]

Where does he get the idea that the debris would be any bigger if it had been a plane/fire/collapse deal?

He's guesstimating how energetic the collapse should be. They honestly believe that a controlled demolition adds alot of "energy" to the collapse. Very very often their arguments are based on the idea that the results of the collapse required more energy then a gravity driven collapse could provide. These arguments include melted metal, heat at ground zero, fires at ground zero, level of pulverization, speed of the collapse, "distance" of the debris, and so on.

What they don't realize is that controlled demolitions aren't very energetic compared with building collapses. It's sort of like saying the normal building collapse only provides 1000 joules, and we need 1500 joules. The unfortunately problem is the controlled demolition hypothesis only adds 50 joules. So we are still missing 450 joules.

Of course, to them, that doesn't matter, because they are just "asking questions", so poking holes is suffcient. I just find it funny that they spend so much time trying to support their CD arguments with lines of reasoning that, if true, would also debunk it.

Of course, "some" of them realize this and introduce space beam weaponry to make up the extra energy...

[T.A.M.]

Oh Christ...

How could anyone with the slightest degree of sanity believe that!

And they call us sheeple... "James Fetzer said it! It's gotta be true!"

He's also infatuated with Judy Wood, having written, just like a bard, a song for her..."Judy Would" and another song I guess just for the movement, called "Blown to Kingdom Come".

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/

Enjoy

TAM:)

[Alt+F4]

"Pulverized into dust" I believe the assertion is from most twoofers.

But if you look at the dust samples - none contain steel ;)

Yeah, they say this weapon can turn steel into dust but when it comes to the much more fragile human body, they have no explaination for the hundreds of bodies pulled from the rubble in New York.

[Horatius]

... but everybody saw them fall; that much is clear.

That's the problem with Ace/TS1234. He's as much as said, the buildings didn't collapse, they were disintegrated in mid-air. He really doesn't see the same things as we do.


So what's this guy trying to say - that there's not enough debris on the ground, in his opinion, to account for the towers? Where does he hypothesize it went?

That's it exactly. At one point, he looked at a picture of the pile of rubble, and actually called it a "crater". I kid you not. I can't find that post right now, but it's out there, if you care to look.

[Horatius]

Truthseeker1234 hadnt been here in a while (ACE). Was he banned, or suspended, or simply just left?

TAM

He went off in a snit when the mods wouldn't ban Loss Leader (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69055), who jokingly suggested he stop paying taxes.

Oh, and something about advocating murder.

[Checkmite]

Ace believes that a space beam weapon took out the towers. Don't laugh now.

ETA: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66444

Wow....I mean....holy f[Rule 8].

They've lost it. They've seriously gone off the deep end. That's....incredible in its off-the-deep-endedness.

Wow.

[A W Smith]

I take it Judy wood and Anus caker are dating . they have wild sex where they drop billard balls on each other.

[T.A.M.]

Not sure, but he sure seems infatuated with her. Then again, maybe he was seeing her all along, and only got involved with the nuttiness through her...who knows...

TAM

[Bell]

He went off in a snit when the mods wouldn't ban Loss Leader (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69055), who jokingly suggested he stop paying taxes.

Oh, and something about advocating murder.

He posted about twice after that, but I immediately reminded him of his promise :D

[Horatius]

He posted about twice after that, but I immediately reminded him of his promise :D

Yeah, right after I had lost my bet too!