Treasury Secretary Paulson Arrested

[JamesB]

I have been following the Leo Wanta $70 trillion story on my blog (kind of a side hobby). Now it is getting even weirder. The guy who runs the British website and journal promoting the story is now claiming that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was arrested a week ago in Germany over the matter. Oddly enough, Reuters, Bloomberg and the Wall Street Journal all missed the story. But for the low low sum of $525 you can find out more!!

http://www.worldreports.org/news/38_paulson_and_cheney_s

U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY ARRESTED IN GERMANY
PAULSON AND CHENEY SUBPOENAED BY TRIBUNAL
Saturday 30 December 2006 20:05
U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY M. PAULSON HAS BEEN ARRESTED IN EUROPE

SENTENCING INFLICTS EXTREME DISGRACE UPON THE UNITED STATES GENERALLY

U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY SEIZED AND BROUGHT BEFORE 'AD HOC' TRIBUNAL IN GERMANY ON A SUBPOENA HANDED OUT BY THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE [OR 'WORLD COURT'] ON CHARGES OF MONEY-LAUNDERING, NON-PAYMENT OF THE WANTA $4.5 TRILLION AND FOR MISAPPROPRIATION AND/OR DIVERSION OF COLOSSAL $ SUMS.

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY LIKEWISE AT THE RECEIVING END OF PARALLEL SUBPOENA FOR SIMILAR CRIMINAL OFFENCE(S).

GERMAN AUTHORITIES EXERCISED THE INTERNATIONAL SUBPOENA, BRINGING PAULSON (AND CHENEY) UNDER GERMAN JURISDICTION, GIVEN THAT GERMAN BANKS TRYING TO MAKE THE WANTA PAYMENT WERE TWICE PREVENTED BY MR PAULSON FROM DOING SO. WHEN THIS HAPPENED THE SECOND TIME, PAULSON WAS ARRESTED.

PAULSON CHARGED WITH DIVERSION OF FUNDS AND WITH NON-PERFORMANCE OF WANTA’S $4.5 TRILLION: HE WAS ARRESTED AFTER SEEING MME ANGELA MERKEL, WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE COMPLICIT IN THE $4.5 TRILLION THEFT (WHICH OF COURSE SHE IS NOT). BUT THAT WAS THE SITUATION.

ARREST CONFIRMED BY SEVEN SOURCES: KEY U.S. TREASURY OFFICIAL ORDERED TO GERMANY, SUBJECTED TO A GAG ORDER, AND INSTRUCTED TO TESTIFY AGAINST HIS OWN U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY. HE HAS BEEN IN GERMANY FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS, TESTIFYING BEFORE THE TRIBUNAL, STAFF OF THE U.S. CONSULATE AND THE GERMAN ATTORNEY GENERAL (EQUIVALENT) ABOUT THE ENDLESSLY FRUSTRATED ATTEMPTS OF AMBASSADOR WANTA'S CORPORATION, TO OBTAIN RELEASE OF THE FUNDS, AND ABOUT ALLEGED CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS BY PAULSON, GOLDMAN SACHS AND COMPANY, ET AL.

THE U.S. ‘MAINSTREAM MEDIA’ ARE WITHHOLDING THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN WORLD HISTORY FROM THE MUCH-ABUSED AMERICAN PEOPLE.

UPDATE NOTE, 1st January 2007: We have had a very large number of emails from the United States, mainly, and the question repeatedly asked is: WHY IS THE 'MAINSTREAM MEDIA' not covering this? DON'T ASK US: ASK THE 'MAINSTREAM MEDIA'. We are not in a position to answer this question. The other question asked is: Can you verify this? Excuse us? How can any of this be published if it is not accurate at the time of posting? Do not confuse this site with your familiar run-of-the-mill US intelligence diversion and disinformation website. Instead of asking us such crude questions, may we suggest that people who, without a cause, suggest we are liars, are laying themselves open to risk, since such allegations can be addressed in the English Court, where the laws of libel are much more stringent than in the United States. Finally, ALL the relevant documents and back-up information are available in International Currency Review, Volume 31, Numbers 3 and 4 [December 2006], and also in International Currency Review, Volume 30, Numbers 2 and 3 [January 2005]. We are a UK commercial organisation and we will NOT provide free copies of these issues. We will accept and fulfil bona fide subscription/special issue orders. Criticism of what has been posted WITHOUT studying the FACTS published in International Currency Review is reckless and unwise. Neither is it to be recommended in this rapidly moving and unfolding crisis.

[LashL]

Too funny. The whole story, that is.


As an aside, the "international tribunal" is a joke, and this particular story about its subpoeaning someone and/or arresting someone a couple of weeks ago even if true, is even less convincing of anything than the proverbial "ham sandwich" being indicted in the U.S.

Worse, their response to queries of "can you verify this?" is a veiled threat of libel lawsuits? Hey, even in the UK, libel laws are not so broad as to encompass questions such as "can you verify this?" These people are truly crazy.

So many lunatics, so little time :)

Oh, and a note to said lunatics - sue me. Please. I'll look forward to it.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The other question asked is: Can you verify this? Excuse us? How can any of this be published if it is not accurate at the time of posting? Do not confuse this site with your familiar run-of-the-mill US intelligence diversion and disinformation website.
lol! That's awesome...

"It's on our site, so it must be true!"

[Oliver]

*lol* I did not find any german source confirming the
story - so maybe they got Bush, too - and the NWO
is covering it up now... :p

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Too funny.

The "international tribunal" is a joke, and this particular story about its subpoeaning someone is even less convincing than the proverbial "ham sandwich" being indicted in the U.S.

So many lunatics, so little time :)

Ah. But you missed a lline in the OP:
SENTENCING INFLICTS EXTREME DISGRACE UPON THE UNITED STATES GENERALLY.
So not only has he been subpoenaed. But arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced!

Damn! Those international courts work fast. :boggled:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

*lol* I did not find any german source confirming the
story - so maybe they got Bush, too - and the NWO
is covering it up now... :p
Not a peep from any of the sources that Google News indexes either.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=%22henry+paulson%22&btnG=Search+News

[JamesB]

I forgot to add, this has been picked up all over the web by the usual suspects (I found out about it from a CT mailing list), but there is absolutely nothing in the press. I have actually had people linking to me accusing me of being a shill on this subject. Hey, the NWO can multi-task.

He conveniently picked a 4 day weekend to run with the story, when Paulson shows up next in public we can hear all sorts of creative reasons how he got out.

[Oliver]

I forgot to add, this has been picked up all over the web by the usual suspects (I found out about it from a CT mailing list), but there is absolutely nothing in the press. I have actually had people linking to me accusing me of being a shill on this subject. Hey, the NWO can multi-task.

He conveniently picked a 4 day weekend to run with the story, when Paulson shows up next in public we can hear all sorts of creative reasons how he got out.

"... it must be a hologram ..." [/killtown] :D

[LashL]

Ah. But you missed a lline in the OP:
So not only has he been subpoenaed. But arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced!

Damn! Those international courts work fast. :boggled:

Amazing, isn't it?

[CptColumbo]

I would give money to see anyone try to arrest someone that highly placed in the US Gov't, especially Cheney. I would also like to see the trial. I foresee a Pay-per-view event to rival Wrestlemania.

[JamesB]

I would give money to see anyone try to arrest someone that highly placed in the US Gov't, especially Cheney. I would also like to see the trial. I foresee a Pay-per-view event to rival Wrestlemania.

My apologies if any of our German friends are offended, but I don't think they want to make it best 2 out of 3. :D

[LashL]

What the story fails to point out is that anyone can file a complaint with this particular "international tribunal" for any or no reason whatsoever, and with no evidence whatsoever, and it will respond with a subpoena. Pretty pathetic, really.

[CptColumbo]

It's sad but I have learned to distrust CTs so much, I had to double-check that Paulsen is the Treasury Sec.

Have you seen this man? I didn't think so.

[Oliver]

My apologies if any of our German friends are offended, but I don't think they want to make it best 2 out of 3. :D

I´m highly amused about the idea that the current us- minister
of finance was arrested by german executive - especially because
the drunken heads after New Year's Eve - which would make perfect
sense concerning the seriousness of the message... :D

[defaultdotxbe]

since when does the world court deal with money laundering?

anyway, so the NWO is keepign all this from beign reported in the media of every nation, including the nation he was arrested in and the nation he was chraged, tried, convicted and sentenced in (oliver has reported in, Bell? whats your scoop?)

and most importantly, how did the all this hapen without some deus ex machina rescue by the NWO?

as usual, CTers cant seem to decide if the NWO runs the world or if they dont, lol
My apologies if any of our German friends are offended, but I don't think they want to make it best 2 out of 3. :D
woudlnt it be 3 out of 5 at this point?

[JamesB]

since when does the world court deal with money laundering?

anyway, so the NWO is keepign all this from beign reported in the media of every nation, including the nation he was arrested in and the nation he was chraged, tried, convicted and sentenced in (oliver has reported in, Bell? whats your scoop?)

and most importantly, how did the all this hapen without some deus ex machina rescue by the NWO?

as usual, CTers cant seem to decide if the NWO runs the world or if they dont, lol

woudlnt it be 3 out of 5 at this point?

I was thinking about that right after I said it, but then the joke just doesn't really flow...

[Larry Lovage]

Can you verify this? Excuse us? How can any of this be published if it is not accurate at the time of posting? Do not confuse this site with your familiar run-of-the-mill US intelligence diversion and disinformation website. Instead of asking us such crude questions, may we suggest that people who, without a cause, suggest we are liars, are laying themselves open to risk, since such allegations can be addressed in the English Court, where the laws of libel are much more stringent than in the United States. Uh, hahahahaha. Uhm, no, that is not how libel laws work. As they might find when an un-subpoena'd Mr Paulson issues writs against worldreports.com.

Can someone tell me how it is possible to simultaneously be issued a gag order and ordered to testify?

[jon]

afaik the International Court of Justice deals with disputes between states: they state that "Only States may apply to and appear before the Court. (http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/igeneralinformation/inotice.pdf)" They also list their pending cases at that link - oddly, the ICJ forgot to mention the $70trillian or this fabulously rapid arrest, trial and sentence.
Charges against individuals are the domain of the International Criminal Court, aren't they? Or can the ICJ deal with allegations against individuals too?

[Larry Lovage]

Even the ICC only deals with crimes committed at a state level or of international concern such as genocide: http://www.icc-cpi.int/about.html

[jhunter1163]

Don't Cabinet officials have diplomatic immunity? Or is that just the diplomatic corps?

[Architect]

Why are they moaning about it on the web instead of taking it to other news organisations then? I would imagine that there are plenty of countries unfriendly to the US who's media would be more than happy to cover it.......if it were true!

[Larry Lovage]

GERMAN AUTHORITIES EXERCISED THE INTERNATIONAL SUBPOENA, BRINGING PAULSON (AND CHENEY) UNDER GERMAN JURISDICTION, GIVEN THAT GERMAN BANKS TRYING TO MAKE THE WANTA PAYMENT WERE TWICE PREVENTED BY MR PAULSON FROM DOING SO. WHEN THIS HAPPENED THE SECOND TIME, PAULSON WAS ARRESTED.
Strangely enough, it isn't actually possible for any country to simply "bring into their jurisdiction" people in other countries that they wish to try. They have to extradite them, which would mean that a hearing would have to take place in the U.S. I don't believe there is any such thing as an "international subpoena", in fact if you Google that phrase, this very story comes third in the list!

[ktesibios]

Wow. That stuff reads like a collaboration between "Dove of Oneness" and Nancy Lieder.

[A W Smith]

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:7AKxVvyS5dAJ:ealchemy.org/wanta4.html+Wanta+Plan+Settlement&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10



President Reagan is asserted by British intelligence sources to have been poisoned with a pathogen that is capable of reproducing Alzheimer's disease, developed in Germany or the United States by heirs of Himmler's scientists. The purpose would have been to ensure that Reagan could never recall any of his instructions or undertakings while President, should the crooks be exposed - as is happening 'as we speak'. Ê



In 1973, President Kennedy was assassinated after intelligence cadres working within the corrupted and penetrated US intelligence community, became aware that he was intending to abolish the Federal Reserve System and to replace it with a central bank network fully owned by the United States and therefore exclusively loyal to the interests of the American people. Ê


Does it get any stupider? never mind. forget I asked.

[Loss Leader]

I'm not sure whether Paulson was arrested, tried or convicted but whatever happened to him over the weekend, he was able to make it back to Washington for President Ford's funeral this morning. That's him next to Condoleeza Rice. The man on the other side of Secretary Rice is Chelsea Clinton.

http://www.upi.com/Newspictures/photo.php?PhotoID=WAP2007010204_001


P.S. Oh, I feel bad about the Chelsea joke. She's a fine person.

[JamesB]

I'm not sure whether Paulson was arrested, tried or convicted but whatever happened to him over the weekend, he was able to make it back to Washington for President Ford's funeral this morning. That's him next to Condoleeza Rice. The man on the other side of Secretary Rice is Chelsea Clinton.

http://www.upi.com/Newspictures/photo.php?PhotoID=WAP2007010204_001


P.S. Oh, I feel bad about the Chelsea joke. She's a fine person.

Yeah, World Reports is weaving this into his story.

2nd January 2007: Henry M. Paulson appeared late at the National Cathedral service for the late President Ford, and took a seat behind Nancy Reagan and next to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice. US and British sources inform us that Paulson was exfiltrated from Europe on a British plane.

We are expecting to receive spectacular REconfirmation of the arrest and indictment of the US Secretary of the Treasury shortly. In the meantime, those Americans who, deceived for years by their intelligence community, cannot accept that we publish only what has been carefully verified, and who believe that we are another intelligence disinformation site, will have to back off and face up to the realities of the situation. If correctly handled, the developments are going to be hugely beneficial for the United States and for the Rest of the World. If malevolently handled, there will be a hyperinflation in the United States, soup kitchens, and a global depression. Stay tuned...

http://www.worldreports.org/news/38_paulson_and_cheney_s

It must be convenient to live in a reality in which you can say anything.

[T.A.M.]

The best part is that Cheney, VP of the USA, was also subpoenaed, yet 1. Nothing in any of the MSM, and 2. No news or telling of the formation of this "International Tribunal".

I'd say lets just shut up about it, let the wingnuts go all apeshaite over it, and then when it turns out to be a farce, it will once again kill their credibility.

:)TAM:)

[Kiwiwriter]

I'm not sure whether Paulson was arrested, tried or convicted but whatever happened to him over the weekend, he was able to make it back to Washington for President Ford's funeral this morning. That's him next to Condoleeza Rice. The man on the other side of Secretary Rice is Chelsea Clinton.

http://www.upi.com/Newspictures/photo.php?PhotoID=WAP2007010204_001


P.S. Oh, I feel bad about the Chelsea joke. She's a fine person.

You gotta use CTer mentality on this stuff...obviously the guy at the funeral is a robot clone, and the real Paulson is in clack in Germany.

It's the same thing they did with JFK, Elvis Presley, and J. Edgar Hoover. :boggled:

[JamesB]

The best part is that Cheney, VP of the USA, was also subpoenaed, yet 1. Nothing in any of the MSM, and 2. No news or telling of the formation of this "International Tribunal".

I'd say lets just shut up about it, let the wingnuts go all apeshaite over it, and then when it turns out to be a farce, it will once again kill their credibility.

:)TAM:)

Credibility? Do any of them have any?

[T.A.M.]

Credibility? Do any of them have any?

:jedi: Touche!

TAM

[Dog Town]

Credibility? Do any of them have any?

Survey says...

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The best part is that Cheney, VP of the USA, was also subpoenaed, yet 1. Nothing in any of the MSM, and 2. No news or telling of the formation of this "International Tribunal".
Seriously. The guy can't even shoot a 78-year-old man in the face without it being all over the news, yet this story has somehow been swallowed by a black hole. Insane...

[Architect]

It's the same thing they did with JFK, Elvis Presley, and J. Edgar Hoover. :boggled:




Just a moment, isn't Elvis alive and working down the chip shop?






Explanation for Americans:
http://www.kirstymaccoll.com/music/lyrics/chip_shop.htm (http://www.kirstymaccoll.com/music/lyrics/chip_shop.htm)

[JamesB]

The Loosers have picked up this story.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2011

From, of all places, the official campaign blog of Senator John Edwards.

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/1/1/152342/3016

It is not Edwards posting, but it is still amusing.

[defaultdotxbe]

The Loosers have picked up this story.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2011

From, of all places, the official campaign blog of Senator John Edwards.

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/1/1/152342/3016

It is not Edwards posting, but it is still amusing.
lots of amusing posts from this person on edwards blog
http://blog.johnedwards.com/user/blueinmo

[Dog Town]

This post from Brainiac StevenDC@LC, is a real gas.

Everybody can Google this, it is breaking out by the second, the implications on the value of the dollar and Euro and unthinkable.

What a maroon!

[brodski]

Just a moment, isn't Elvis alive and working down the chip shop?





Is that an oppressive chip shop regime?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUg5Qx7PoE

[CptColumbo]

I think there is a Cabinet meeting tomorrow.

Let's see who shows up.

[Architect]

Is that an oppressive chip shop regime?






Let's go for an English instead.....

[JamesB]

Now I am being threatened by this idiot.

'USEFUL IDIOTS' ROGUES' GALLERY: We have been overwhelmed with supportive, and many kind and complimentary, emails from all over the United States ('The Main Enemy') and from other parts of the world. A number of unpleasant 'Useful Idiots' have, however, seen fit to send us emails containing (in one case) filthy language, and a number of operatives and disinformation fools whose noses are out of joint have been posting lies and even libellous observations. One such individual, calling himself James B, from Bellevue, WA, is disseminating libellous statements which, given that they are distributed in the United Kingdom, may be subject to legal redress for libel in the English Courts, where the law of libel is much more stringent than in the United States. The circuitous argument this 'Useful Idiot' uses is the familiar, facile one that 'because it's not in the mainstream media, it is likely to be a hoax'. The mainstream media are under massive pressure both to cover up this ongoing crisis and, at the same time to 'break ranks' and join us in exposing it.

The 'mainstream' has been caught short by the Internet and is losing support both in the United States and Britain, as a consequence. We have certain information that substantial 'funny money' payments have been made to certain news outlets, and when 'further and better particulars' about such payments become available, the information will be published on this site.

Finally, we will, at the appropriate time, expose all those who have chosen to send us rude, crude, libellous and otherwise lazy and reprobate emails, so that they come belatedly to realise where the truth lies and that it is they who are dupes. When one is tested like this, one discovers who one's true friends are: and the experience, to put it mildly, has been enlightening. Happy New Year!
http://www.worldreports.org/news/38_paulson_and_cheney_s

[firecoins]

From Answers.com

A devout Christian Scientist (http://www.answers.com/topic/christian-science-1), Paulson was born in Palm Beach (http://www.answers.com/topic/palm-beach-florida), Florida (http://www.answers.com/topic/florida) and was raised on a farm in Barrington (http://www.answers.com/topic/barrington-illinois), Illinois (http://www.answers.com/topic/illinois). Paulson received his Bachelor of Arts (http://www.answers.com/topic/ab-blood-group) in English literature from Dartmouth College (http://www.answers.com/topic/dartmouth-college) in 1968;[3] (http://www.answers.com/topic/henry-paulson#wp-_note-1) at Dartmouth he was a member of Phi Beta Kappa (http://www.answers.com/topic/phi-beta-kappa-society) and was an All Ivy, an All East, and an honorable mention All American (http://www.answers.com/topic/all-america-latina-logistica-sa) for football.[4] (http://www.answers.com/topic/henry-paulson#wp-_note-nature) He was also a member of Sigma Alpha Epsilon (http://www.answers.com/topic/sigma-alpha-epsilon) fraternity, played intramural sports and lacrosse, was a member of the Green Key Society and president of the Christian Science Organization. He met his wife Wendy during his senior year.
In 1970 Paulson received a Master of Business Administration (http://www.answers.com/topic/master-of-business-administration) degree from Harvard Business School (http://www.answers.com/topic/harvard-business-school). The couple have two adult children, Henry Merritt III and Amanda Clark. They maintain homes in Washington, DC (http://www.answers.com/topic/washington-capital-washington-dc) and Barrington, Illinois (http://www.answers.com/topic/barrington-illinois).

Career highlights


Paulson was Staff Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-assistant-secretary-of-defense) at The Pentagon (http://www.answers.com/topic/the-pentagon) from 1970 to 1972.[4] (http://www.answers.com/topic/henry-paulson#wp-_note-nature) He then worked for the administration of U.S. President (http://www.answers.com/topic/president-of-the-united-states-2) Richard Nixon (http://www.answers.com/topic/richard-nixon), serving as assistant to John Ehrlichman (http://www.answers.com/topic/john-ehrlichman) from 1972 to 1973.
He joined Goldman Sachs in 1974, working in the firm's Chicago office. He became a partner in 1982. From 1983 until 1988, Paulson led the Investment Banking group for the Midwest Region, and became Managing partner of the Chicago Office in 1988. From 1990 to November 1994, he was co-head of Investment Banking, then, Chief Operating Officer from December 1994 to June 1998;[5] (http://www.answers.com/topic/henry-paulson#wp-_note-2) eventually succeeding Jon Corzine (http://www.answers.com/topic/jon-corzine) (now Governor of New Jersey (http://www.answers.com/topic/governor-of-new-jersey)) as its chief executive. His compensation package, according to reports, was US$37 million in 2005, and US$16.4 million projected for 2006.[6] (http://www.answers.com/topic/henry-paulson#wp-_note-Forbes) His net worth has been estimated at over $700 million.[6] (http://www.answers.com/topic/henry-paulson#wp-_note-Forbes)


With a networth of $700 million I don't think this guy gets arrested silently and lets it get covered up.

[T.A.M.]

That be damned, I do not care what this worldreports guy thinks, I could care less how he thinks the MSM is paid off to avoid storys, I can GUARANTEE, that if Dick Cheney were Subpeoad (spelling) to an International Tribunal, Some News Station, somewhere, would have picked it up and broadcast it.

We will see...only time will tell.

TAM

[JamesB]

That be damned, I do not care what this worldreports guy thinks, I could care less how he thinks the MSM is paid off to avoid storys, I can GUARANTEE, that if Dick Cheney were Subpeoad (spelling) to an International Tribunal, Some News Station, somewhere, would have picked it up and broadcast it.

We will see...only time will tell.

TAM

I just hope Hank Paulson will testify at my trial. :D Maybe he can help me get a job?

[Architect]

given that they are distributed in the United Kingdom, may be subject to legal redress for libel in the English Courts, where the law of libel is much more stringent than in the United States


Something wrong with the Scottish Courts?

Anyway, the key point here is that only an idiot sues for libel/slander/defamation, since all it does is bring the whole thing into full public glare.....AND they'd have trouble refuting our debunking of the 911 "truth" rubbish!

[jon]

That be damned, I do not care what this worldreports guy thinks, I could care less how he thinks the MSM is paid off to avoid storys, I can GUARANTEE, that if Dick Cheney were Subpeoad (spelling) to an International Tribunal, Some News Station, somewhere, would have picked it up and broadcast it.

We will see...only time will tell.

TAM

Not to mention that both the ICJ and ICC make publicly available information on what cases they're considering (e.g. list the cases on their website - they don't handle that many, after all), but failed to list the case of the $70trillian. Clearly, the NWO has got to them as well (but only enough to make them keep quiet about the case...not enough to make them drop it...)

[T.A.M.]

From google News:


Your search - dick cheney subpoena tribunal - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.
Try fewer keywords.
Try Google Blog Search.

Also, you can browse today's headlines on the Google News homepage.



So I guess that counts out most cyberspace media also...or is Google in on it...cue twilight zone music.

TAM:)

[brodski]

Something wrong with the Scottish Courts?


Several things, first and foremost is the ability of juries to return a verdict of "not proven".
:p

[uk_dave]

Now I am being threatened by this idiot.


http://www.worldreports.org/news/38_paulson_and_cheney_s

ermmmm.... is it April 1st already?

[The Almond]

How very telling. When asked to provide outside proof and corroboration, the author/editors get defensive and claim that, because no outside corroboration exists, the story is being suppressed and is therefore true.

I called a friend of the family in Germany who works as a staff reporter for Die Welt. He said that the paper had gotten numerous tips about Paulson being arrested, but all of them turned out to be from people who had read the report on World Reports. Nothing from their police contacts or other reporters.

He also made a point that the German government would never, in a million years, arrest a foreign politician under any circumstances. He said, "We would send police officers to his hotel room, gather the belongings and put them both on the next flight out of the country with the understanding that they are never to return." Only then would the German government seek extradition or judicial proceedings.

[firecoins]

where is Paulson today? Any chance he was at the Ford funeral? He was an advisor to Nixon.

Furthermore all US gov't employees enjoy diplomatic immunity. As do German gov't employees here.

[Architect]

Several things, first and foremost is the ability of juries to return a verdict of "not proven".
:p


A great verdict BUT personally I'd rather see such a result as allowing a retrial if further evidence comes to light.

For Americans and others, "not proven" is best interpreted as "we know you did it but the prosecution couldn't prove it".

`

[T.A.M.]

Not that I ever trusted anything from their site anyway, but when this story proves false, I will hurt what, if any credibility they're site had in terms of news telling.

Please do not bother with the "what credibility" comments...save your breath...i know...lol

TAM

[The Almond]

With a networth of $700 million I don't think this guy gets arrested silently and lets it get covered up.

Paulson: Hi honey
Wife: Hello dear, what's new?
Paulson: I got arrested today with Dick Cheney by the German authorities acting on authority from a court with no legitimate claim and based on a subpoena that is not part of any public record.
Wife: What?!?!? That's terrible! It's an act of war! I have to call our lawyers!
Paulson: Don't worry about it, apparently it's being covered up by the NWO through our manipulation of the Jewish run media.
Wife: God Bless those Jews, they know how to keep a good secret.
Paulson: Amen, and they're whisking me away on a British aircraft right now.
Wife: Doesn't say much for German security!
Paulson: These Germans are all the same, give them a sausage and some beer and they'll let any damn person out of jail.
Wife: So we're keeping this quiet?
Paulson: Yeah, the NWO has a stranglehold on all print, radio, television and internet media. Well, most of it anyway.
Wife: Most?
Paulson: Well, you know, there is this one group. They're not like Reuters, the AP, Google News, CNN, MSNBC, or any of the countless Blogosphere news outlets.
Wife: Oh?
Paulson: Yeah, apparently they have the power to circumvent hundreds of layers of government security and international communications barriers to find out the truth.
Wife: All that disinformation for nothing!
Paulson: Seriously. It's the organic beets and communal farming.
Wife: Why haven't you guys killed them off yet?
Paulson: They're just so darn clever! They've eluded every attempt we've made to coerce or murder them!
Wife: Organic beets.
Paulson: I know, I know.
Wife: Ok, well don't forget you've got Ford's funeral to go to.
Paulson: Right, put out my blue suit. Oh, and take the 70 trillion dollars out of the front pocket, I'm tired of wiping my ass with it.
Wife: Alright dear, hurry home!

[uk_dave]

StevenDC writes:

Applying common sense, if this were true and the rest of the world knew it, yet we didn't, they would be acting upon it...
And, considering if it were true, it would mean a HUGE hit on the economy, severly depreciating the dollar...
And, considering that gold goes up as the dollar goes down..
And, considering that gold actually went down just over $11 today..
I would say the rest of the world believes it is a hoax.

And I hope I am right.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2011

Just like the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory then!!

[brodski]

A great verdict BUT personally I'd rather see such a result as allowing a retrial if further evidence comes to light.

For Americans and others, "not proven" is best interpreted as "we know you did it but the prosecution couldn't prove it".

`

And that's why it's "the bastard verdict" in that there is no way for the accused to clear their name if innocent, or for justice to be served if they are guilty.

[Architect]

Ah, don't forget the stigma! :)

[JamesB]

where is Paulson today? Any chance he was at the Ford funeral? He was an advisor to Nixon.

Furthermore all US gov't employees enjoy diplomatic immunity. As do German gov't employees here.

He was at the funeral standing right next to Condi. I made a post on it.

http://thechiefbrief.blogspot.com

I called up the PR department at the Treasury out of curiosity. They haven't called me back yet.

[CBVan]

Are there actually people who believe this garbage? I suppose insanity is a disease, but there is no OTHER excuse for this kind of delusion...

[JamesB]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2011

Just like the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory then!!

My favorite quote from the LC Forum is this one:

idk sounds interesting but I'd have to see it on many more sites for it to be true.

Because everyone knows, the validity of a story is entirely dependent on how many websites it is repeated on.

[Oliver]

My favorite quote from the LC Forum is this one:
Because everyone knows, the validity of a story is entirely dependent on how many websites it is repeated on.

... Especially mass media can be trusted in these cases ... [/ct´ist] :boggled: http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/whacky078.gif

[Kiwiwriter]

Just a moment, isn't Elvis alive and working down the chip shop?






Explanation for Americans:
http://www.kirstymaccoll.com/music/lyrics/chip_shop.htm (http://www.kirstymaccoll.com/music/lyrics/chip_shop.htm)

If he is, that shop would be out of business by now...because he'd have eaten all the stock. :)

[jhunter1163]

Do these people have any idea how much money $70 trillion is? The entire world's GNP is something like $40 trillion. If this money existed in dollars, the inflation would be absolutely staggering. People would be using dollars to apply their shoe polish. The Cayman Islands would have solid gold toilet seats just on the commissions from handling this money.

Another thing I noticed is that Paulson supposedly has sole signatory power on this Leo Wanta's money. If I'm Wanta, the LAST thing I do is give SOMEONE ELSE sole control of my $4.5 trillion.

I wish I knew what these CTists smoked. It must be some GOOD (rule8).

[Oliver]

*snip* I wish I knew what these CTists smoked. It must be some GOOD (rule8).
Let´s ask Killtown - rumours said that he has the best weed around. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/ad/jumpy.gif

[ConspiRaider]

Do these people have any idea how much money $70 trillion is? The entire world's GNP is something like $40 trillion. If this money existed in dollars...
I'm thinking that maybe this is where a trillion in the UK is actually a billion here in the USA, correct?

Which makes all the difference, because NWO - I mean NOW - I believe the entire story!!!

[JamesB]

I'm thinking that maybe this is where a trillion in the UK is actually a billion here in the USA, correct?

Which makes all the difference, because NWO - I mean NOW - I believe the entire story!!!

No, it is a trillion. They claim to be able to make $192 billion a day off investing $4.5 trillion of it.

To answer a previous question, Wanta claims the only reason they left him alive was because he knew where all the money was and had all the access codes. He also claims, however, that they have been spending his money for the last 20 years. Consistency is not his forte.

You would think that a man with access to $70 trillion could afford an actual office with a phone and secretary and all. His "corporation" was set up for $50 in Virginia, and lists his lawyer's office as its headquarters.

It also owes $110 in fees...

[The Almond]

I'm thinking that maybe this is where a trillion in the UK is actually a billion here in the USA, correct?

Which makes all the difference, because NWO - I mean NOW - I believe the entire story!!!

I had totally forgotten that. Ok, that makes more (less) sense now.

[The Almond]

No, it is a trillion. They claim to be able to make $192 billion a day off investing $4.5 trillion of it.

You're kidding me, right? Inflation much?

You would think that a man with access to $70 trillion could afford an actual office with a phone and secretary and all. His "corporation" was set up for $50 in Virginia, and lists his lawyer's office as its headquarters.

I'm sure that the only reason my wife keeps me around is that I know the PIN number to the ATM card.

[ConspiRaider]

No, it is a trillion. They claim to be able to make $192 billion a day off investing $4.5 trillion of it.

To answer a previous question, Wanta claims the only reason they left him alive was because he knew where all the money was and had all the access codes. He also claims, however, that they have been spending his money for the last 20 years. Consistency is not his forte.

You would think that a man with access to $70 trillion could afford an actual office with a phone and secretary and all. His "corporation" was set up for $50 in Virginia, and lists his lawyer's office as its headquarters.

It also owes $110 in fees...
007 -

Okay. I started seeing giant figures like in this section quoted from their story and was just wondering...

// snip
This shows that the EU countries (a) never had any real confidence in their Collective Currency;
(b) accordingly stored national banknotes against the possibility of a crisis such as has arisen as
a consequence of the ransacking of funds by US office-holders, which is impacting the EU; and
(c) were in fact individually and collectively engaged in a fraudulent operation. Now that national banknotes are reappearing, the European Collective Currency is doomed. The notes cannot be removed from circulation, as the general public will take fright and the crisis will develop runaway legs. The European press is waffling 'as we speak' about the impact of the Collective Currency on the new EU Members, without having caught on to the fact that the Collective Currency is being undermined by at least three of the EU national governments, which now fear that the derivatives crisis will destroy the Collective Currency as well as the US dollar. The Federal Reserve System has debt obligations in excess of $1,000 trillion, with the derivatives overhang (deceitfully estimated at $370 trillion) believed to aggregate at least $1,140 trillion.
// snip

So the Federal Reserve System has debt obligations in excess of one quadrillion dollars, according to these folksies?

[defaultdotxbe]

No, it is a trillion. They claim to be able to make $192 billion a day off investing $4.5 trillion of it.
is it just me, or is that like a 1500% annual yeild? i want their stock broker

but why does someone with 70 trillion dollars needs to invest anything?


but honestly, i dont think these CTers have any concept of money, or numbers in general, they just gloss over it and throw out whatever sounds big, like steven jones saying the odds of 911 not being an inside job were 1 in a tetragillion, lol

[Oliver]

I surfed a littlebit and even the former DOD Rummy said
the day before 9/11 that they miss 2.3 TRILLION:

CBS-News:
xU4GdHLUHwU

[JamesB]

is it just me, or is that like a 1500% annual yeild? i want their stock broker



Actually it is slightly more, that is $4.5 trillion before taxes.

[defaultdotxbe]

I surfed a littlebit and even the former DOD Rummy said
the day before 9/11 that they miss 2.3 TRILLION:

CBS-News:
xU4GdHLUHwU

yep, and thats an accrued loss over the course of year (i think since WW2)

but thats not really missing, they just dont know specifically where it went, they know it was spent, they just dont know what specifically it was spent on (they didnt save the reciepts)

and i think thats a high estimate based on double-booking a lot of the money

fro examply, the DoD gives the army 5 million, the army doesnt tell the DoD what they did with the money so the DoD lists 5 million unaccounted for

the army gives 3 million of the that tot he cor of engineers, then lists it as unaccoutned for, now 8 million is missing

the engineers use 2 million of that on a bridge project, but dont keep good logs, so now 10 million is missing, from 5 million to begin with, lol

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

How very telling. When asked to provide outside proof and corroboration, the author/editors get defensive and claim that, because no outside corroboration exists, the story is being suppressed and is therefore true.
<snip>

I thought that sounded familiar

<snip>
4. Does the source claim that "the establishment is trying to suppress this discovery?"
Such a claim does not provide any evidence that the "discovery" is really valid. You need to poke these with other questions to find out more.
<snip>

Source (http://www.physics.smu.edu/~pseudo/baloney.html)

[Oliver]

yep, and thats an accrued loss over the course of year (i think since WW2)

but thats not really missing, they just dont know specifically where it went, they know it was spent, they just dont know what specifically it was spent on (they didnt save the reciepts)

and i think thats a high estimate based on double-booking a lot of the money

fro examply, the DoD gives the army 5 million, the army doesnt tell the DoD what they did with the money so the DoD lists 5 million unaccounted for

the army gives 3 million of the that tot he cor of engineers, then lists it as unaccoutned for, now 8 million is missing

the engineers use 2 million of that on a bridge project, but dont keep good logs, so now 10 million is missing, from 5 million to begin with, lol

Holy Moly - so there is no juridical need to record all outlays
to be able to explain what happened with all the money?

I mean this would be 38,333,333,333 $ per year within the
last 60 years - and nobody noticed anything? :eye-poppi

[Spektator]

Because everyone knows, the validity of a story is entirely dependent on how many websites it is repeated on.
It's Lewis Carroll's "Hunting of the Snark" for the computer age: "What I blog about three times is true!"

[T.A.M.]

A quote from the worldreports.org site:


4th January 2007: All details of the Paulson arrest scenario and the contents of the Diary coverage on this website, together with all the previous Wanta postings, are pre-approved by Michael C. Cottrell, M.S., Treasurer and Executive Vice President, AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc, and by Ambassador Leo Emil Wanta. We will not be responding to further emails on this subject. When we have been briefed and have prepared any further posting, and have obtained written approval, we will post.

TAM

[skeptigirl]

Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html)
A lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo; By ADAM ZAGORIN; Posted Friday, Nov. 10, 2006; Time Magazine

Just days after his resignation, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is about to face more repercussions for his involvement in the troubled wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. New legal documents, to be filed next week with Germany's top prosecutor, will seek a criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The plaintiffs in the case include 11 Iraqis who were prisoners at Abu Ghraib, as well as Mohammad al-Qahtani, a Saudi held at Guantanamo, whom the U.S. has identified as the so-called "20th hijacker" and a would-be participant in the 9/11 hijackings. As TIME first reported in June 2005, Qahtani underwent a "special interrogation plan," personally approved by Rumsfeld, which the U.S. says produced valuable intelligence. But to obtain it, according to the log of his interrogation and government reports, Qahtani was subjected to forced nudity, sexual humiliation, religious humiliation, prolonged stress positions, sleep deprivation and other controversial interrogation techniques.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq. Karpinski — who the lawyers say will be in Germany next week to publicly address her accusations in the case — has issued a written statement to accompany the legal filing, which says, in part: "It was clear the knowledge and responsibility [for what happened at Abu Ghraib] goes all the way to the top of the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld ."Karpinski may be trying to get even or clear her name, depending on if you think she was legitimately held responsible or whether she was an innocent scapegoat. I lean toward the latter opinion and consider myself fairly well informed on the matter.

Seymour Hersh is also well informed on the matter (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/040524fa_fact?040524fa_fact) including having a number of Pentagon contacts disgusted enough with the Bush team deception to be whistleblowing in Hersh's ear.

The lawsuit was indeed filed and according to the Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003431313_rumsfeld15.html), included 330 pages of documentation and testimony.

The Center for Constitutional Rights failed in a 2004 bid to launch a German investigation, as prosecutors cited that the United States was looking into abuse allegations on its own. But the center's President Michael Ratner cited several changes since then:

• Rumsfeld's resignation means he will be a private citizen soon, stripping him of any customary European immunity as a defense minister;

• A New York lawyer has met with and received permission to speak for a Saudi captive at Guantánamo, Mohammed al-Qahtani, who, according to leaked reports, was subjected to controversial, intensive interrogation techniques at Guantánamo — among them long bouts of sleep deprivation, isolation and sexual humiliation.

• Congress' new Military Commissions Act attempts to grant immunity to the U.S. military and civilian leaders for past interrogations, throwing the ball into Europe's court.

"It's crucial here to get accountability, some way to say that somewhere up the chain of command, people did something contrary to the Geneva Conventions," Ratner said.The jurisdiction cited is referred to in the Times article.German legislators in 2002 gave prosecutors the power to investigate international human-rights crimes regardless where they were carried out. The underlying principle is that countries are unlikely to be self-policing on such crimes. U.S. sovereignty, along with the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, effectively protects senior government figures while still in office. What happens when they return to private life is another matter.I haven't looked into any Secretary of the Treasury charges yet. And, of course none of this adds any credence to the junk in the OP.

[The Almond]

Karpinski may be trying to get even or clear her name, depending on if you think she was legitimately held responsible or whether she was an innocent scapegoat. I lean toward the latter opinion and consider myself fairly well informed on the matter.

Seymour Hersh is also well informed on the matter (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/040524fa_fact?040524fa_fact) including having a number of Pentagon contacts disgusted enough with the Bush team deception to be whistleblowing in Hersh's ear.

The lawsuit was indeed filed and according to the Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003431313_rumsfeld15.html), included 330 pages of documentation and testimony.

The jurisdiction cited is referred to in the Times article.I haven't looked into any Secretary of the Treasury charges yet. And, of course none of this adds any credence to the junk in the OP.

That's all very interesting stuff. Nothing about Paulson; however, if I had read in the Seattle Times that he had been arrested in Germany, I'd be far more inclined to believe it. It kinda throws a kink in to the theory of suppression, though. I mean, we're so concerned with protecting Paulson, but Rumsfeld is anyone's target? Seems rather silly to me.

[WildCat]

Karpinski may be trying to get even or clear her name, depending on if you think she was legitimately held responsible or whether she was an innocent scapegoat.
Karpinski was at best an incompetent schmuck hopelessly in over her head in a job she couldn't handle and had no business having. This is her only possible defense, if she was smart she'd let it go and just fade away.

[aggle-rithm]

yep, and thats an accrued loss over the course of year (i think since WW2)

but thats not really missing, they just dont know specifically where it went, they know it was spent, they just dont know what specifically it was spent on (they didnt save the reciepts)



Think about it, how many bright young kids say, "When I grow up, I want to be..."


wait for it...

"...an ACCOUNTANT..."

wait for it...

"...IN THE ARMY."

[JamesB]

A quote from the worldreports.org site:



TAM

The part right after that is mind boggling:

US FRIEND: 'You have put a tremendous amount of time into these Wanta articles, so it's not your job to prove you're right; it's the job of your detractors to prove you wrong. I'm sure there's a lot ofprofessional jealousy involved, so stand your ground'. Of course the mad detractors, who are in a state of white panic, cannot prove that the Editor is wrong. This is an impossibility.
Carl Sagan is rolling over in his grave right now.

[The Almond]

Carl Sagan is rolling over in his grave right now.

I think I can hear my college logic professor screaming...

"You can't prove a negative...."

"The burden of proof is on the claimant..."

Or something like that.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I think I can hear my college logic professor screaming...

"You can't prove a negative...."

"The burden of proof is on the claimant..."

Or something like that.
Of course worldreports.org thinks they're listening to a Charlie Brown special and they're in the schoolroom, "Wah wah wah. Wah wah wah wah wah."

[Dog Town]

My only question is...how the heck did this go three pages?

[A W Smith]

I think Michael C. Cottrell, &, AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc, and Leo Emil Wanta = 419 scam? or investment scam?:confused:

or is it simply just a collection of web sites catering to fantasy fiction book sales?:confused:

[jhunter1163]

Wasn't Wanta in trouble for pretending to be an ambassador or something? Or was he in trouble for tax evasion and trying to weasel out of it by claiming diplomatic immunity (Somali ambassador or something)? I remember something like this from before...

[skeptigirl]

Karpinski was at best an incompetent schmuck hopelessly in over her head in a job she couldn't handle and had no business having. This is her only possible defense, if she was smart she'd let it go and just fade away.
And you know this because?

[jhunter1163]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64345

The Wanta thing has been discussed here before. He was scamming before, and he's scamming now. Some things never change.

[Graham2001]

I think Michael C. Cottrell, &, AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc, and Leo Emil Wanta = 419 scam? or investment scam?:confused:

or is it simply just a collection of web sites catering to fantasy fiction book sales?:confused:

Could be, could be...

Back in the 1920's & 30's one of the biggest things going was the 'Drake Will Scam', basically people were sold on the idea that the Sir Francis Drakes fortune had been stolen from his heirs by 'legal flim-flam' after his death. The promoters told victims that an heir had been found and that his case needed to be put through the Secret Courts of England. To do this of course money was needed for the legal fees, but once the case was proved everyone who contributed would get a cut of the inheritance (it started in the low millions but by the end was in the low trillions).

Conspiratorial thinking was promoted, with prominent figures being cited as both helping and hindering the case. It was claimed that the Great Depression was caused by the imminent payout and currency fluctuations were also sited as evidence of progress in the 'case'.

[JamesB]

Greg Szymanski disses us:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/6-Jan-2007.html

A spokesman for the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Henry M. Paulson, Jr., on Friday officially denied reports that Paulson was arrested by German authorities for trying to divert $4.5 trillion dollars, known as the Wanta funds, earmarked for the American people.



Earlier in the week Treasury officials neither confirmed or denied the story, but according to print journalist, Rob Walters, Paulson's assistant categorically denied being detained in Germany or having anything to do with stealing or diverting $4.5 trillion dollars.



"I picked up the "Paulson arrested in Germany" story over on Cloak the other day, and followed it to World Reports," said Walters, who contacted the Arctic Beacon with the latest Treasury information.



"Like many others, I was perplexed that nobody had much to say on the matter, not even a peep about it on Rense. A bunch of skeptics on "Amazing Randi's" blog all said it was a bunch of bull, without bothering to do any investigation.
Yeah, none of us have done any investigation.

[A W Smith]

Greg Szymanski disses us:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/6-Jan-2007.html


Yeah, none of us have done any investigation.


The guy cant even close his quotes in his blog.
what a maroon.

[LashL]

Somehow, I'd missed this thread previously. Quite the tale, isn't it?

[skeptigirl]

That's all very interesting stuff. Nothing about Paulson; however, if I had read in the Seattle Times that he had been arrested in Germany, I'd be far more inclined to believe it. It kinda throws a kink in to the theory of suppression, though. I mean, we're so concerned with protecting Paulson, but Rumsfeld is anyone's target? Seems rather silly to me.Didn't mean to imply I believed the Paulson story at all. Just that there is a real legal action in Germany against Rummy and they have claimed jurisdiction.

[skeptigirl]

Karpinski was at best an incompetent schmuck hopelessly in over her head in a job she couldn't handle and had no business having. This is her only possible defense, if she was smart she'd let it go and just fade away.I'm still waiting for you to tell us how you know this.

[T.A.M.]

So has he posted an official retraction on his site, this worldreports.org guy?

TAM

[JamesB]

So has he posted an official retraction on his site, this worldreports.org guy?

TAM


Hell no, the first rule of conspiracy theorists, never admit you are wrong. Now he is saying Paulson fled to Israel (got to involved those Jews somehow). Hilariously, he is now accusing Greg Szymanski of lying about this.

[WildCat]

I'm still waiting for you to tell us how you know this.
Her claim is that persons bullied into her prison to interrogate prisoners, w/o proper authorization or identification. No competent military officer would allow this to happen.

If the above is not true, then she is a liar.

Either way, she don't look good.

[JamesB]

Her claim is that persons bullied into her prison to interrogate prisoners, w/o proper authorization or identification. No competent military officer would allow this to happen.

If the above is not true, then she is a liar.

Either way, she don't look good.

This is a bogus argument anyway, the famous Abu Ghraib incidences (with all the pictures) had nothing to do with interrogations, it was MPs punishing prisoners for misbehavior. She was in charge of the MPs, they misbehaved, the command gets in trouble.

[WildCat]

This is a bogus argument anyway, the famous Abu Ghraib incidences (with all the pictures) had nothing to do with interrogations, it was MPs punishing prisoners for misbehavior. She was in charge of the MPs, they misbehaved, the command gets in trouble.
Yeah, she was incompetent for the reasons you described. But she also claimed that unidentified people roamed her prison at will interrogating terror suspects. And that she, the CO of Abu Ghraib, could do nothing to stop them. Not quite "officer of the year" material.

Karpinski was never charged w/ anything AFAIK, but was relieved of her command. That she is fighting this the way she is is bewildering to me, as even if everything she says is true it reveals her to be an incompetent CO. She'd be better off just fading away and hoping people forget about her role in the whole thing.

[skeptigirl]

Let me guess, James B and Wildcat have heard one version of events at AbuGhraib. They have not read Karpinski's account at all. And they take it for granted the account they have heard is correct and Karpinski doesn't have a credible story. Would that be correct?

I found Karpinski's account, not only credible, there is corroborating evidence, and it is nothing like your version, WC.

Here's an excerpt, a bit long so you can at least read this much. But the entire interview is worth the time. I don't want to derail the thread so you don't need to debate this. If you want to post some links with your version, I'll read them. I suspect you've both decided the versions you've heard are fact and this one is BS.

It amazes me that people who can be so skeptical and scientific in one sense, readily accept the distorted version of news and other media information we get via mainstream channels without much skepticism at all. "Democracy Now!" you believe is too liberal and therefore biased. By all means correct me if I'm wrong about your beliefs.

While Democracy Now does interview anti-war activists and any number of other people with liberal positions, it's because those people are almost never asked for their account of the facts on mainstream news. The reason isn't the people interviewed aren't credible. Because if you go back to DN's news archives from a few years back, you can find many things which were correctly reported on then and only much later did it finally make the mainstream news. When it doesn't make the news, it still can be corroborated by other means.

See how correct DN was on all the Iraq war issues from early interviews with the weapons inspectors to investigative reporting which revealed the fake claims about M Ata meeting Iraqi secret service. Ambassador Wilson disclosed the fake yellow cake in Niger incident in an indepth interview on DN. And BTW, all of Wilson's side of the story has been confirmed as correct from the leaking of his wife's name to the fact he had considerable experience and qualifications to do the investigation. The White House put the rumor out Wilson was only hired because his wife worked at the CIA in order to discredit his report. And here people are still giving Bush the benefit of the doubt, "Gee he just misjudged the intelligence, he couldn't possibly have claimed Saddam was after yellow cake in Niger knowing it was a lie".

Read DN's archives about Enron and faked energy shortages to jack up prices, about all the Jack Abramoff-Tom DeLay-Karl Rove corruption, about Brenner's incompetence writing traffic laws for Iraq while Iraqi's had no water, sewers, electricity and security all the while never leaving the Green Zone. DN has one of the few real investigative news programs still on the air. They've been broadcasting over 10 years and their track record for accuracy and in depth coverage is impeccable.

I give you that background and will add that Karpinski's claims have been substantiated. Rumsfeld was charged in Germany because the prisoner's rights have been systematically thwarted here in this country. You can, if you really want to weigh the evidence before deciding, read a lot more about it. I'll be happy to find more links to the prisoner abuse in Iraq and Guantanamo.

Whether you think terrorist deserve bad treatment, whether you disbelieve innocent people have been placed in these prisons and tortured, there is still the result of this ignorant Bush policy of ignoring human rights. That result is for every suspected terrorist we kill or lock up, 3 more join the fight because they hate what the see being done to their people.Excerpt from interview of Janice Karpinski by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/26/1423248)

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI:.....General Miller came to visit from Guantanamo Bay. He was the commander of detention operations at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and he was sent to assist the military intelligence interrogators with enhancing their techniques. And he brought with him the techniques that were tested and in use at Guantanamo Bay. And he brought a team of about 20 people, 22 people with him to discuss all aspects of interrogation operations, and actually, he did an in-brief. I was invited to participate or to attend to listen to his in-brief, because he was working almost exclusively with the military intelligence people and the military intelligence interrogators while he was there.

But we owned the locations that he was going to visit, and he ultimately selected Abu Ghraib to be the focus of his efforts, and he told me that he was going to make it the interrogation center for Iraq. He used the term, he was going to “Gitmo-ize” the operation and use the M.P.s to assist the interrogators to enhance interrogations and to obtain more actionable intelligence. I explained to him that the M.P.s were not trained in any kind of interrogation operations, and he told me that he wanted me to give him Abu Ghraib, because that's the location he selected.

AMY GOODMAN: You're both generals?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: Yes. He was a two-star....

.....General Miller said -- his first observation was that they were not -- they were being too nice to them. They were not being aggressive enough. And he used the example at Guantanamo Bay that the prisoners there, when they're brought in, that they're handled by two military policemen. They're escorted everywhere they go -- belly chains, leg irons, hand irons -- and he said, “You have to treat them like dogs.”

AMY GOODMAN: You were there when he said this?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: Yes, I was there when he said that.

AMY GOODMAN: Now, Colonel Pappas ran the prison within the prison, is that right? He ran something called the “hard site”?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: He ran the interrogation operations within the prison, that's correct. And it was -- Cell Block 1A and 1B were the two maximum security wings of the hard site, and during General Miller's visit, either at his order or at his request, General Miller told -- instructed Colonel Pappas to get control of Cell Block 1A.

AMY GOODMAN: Treat the prisoners like dogs. That explains the leashes and making prisoners bark?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: It seems to be consistent with those photographs, yes, with the dog collar, the dog leash and un-muzzled dogs. And, in fact, those techniques have appeared in several memorandums that have been signed by senior people.

.....COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: Well, there were only – interrogation operations were only taking place – at prisons under my control, interrogations were only being conducted at Abu Ghraib, and they were only being conducted in interrogation facilities built specifically for interrogations at Abu Ghraib. There was what they called “Interrogation Facility Wood” and “Interrogation Facility Steel.” The pictures, although they were – when they were released, it was widely reported that this was during interrogation operations. In fact, it was not during interrogation operations. These pictures were being staged and set up at the direction of contract interrogators, civilian contract interrogators, for the use in future interrogations.

AMY GOODMAN: Contract interrogators. What companies?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: There are several. Several of the contractors that were in some of the pictures were with Titan Corporation. There has been sworn statements saying they came from “OGA,” other government agencies, and CACI. I can only say that some of the –

AMY GOODMAN: CACI?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: That's right, and I can only say that the ones that I saw in the photographs were identified as being from Titan Corporation. Now, they were – my experience with Titan Corporation was that they were providing translators, and again, in some of the information that's been released in the ACLU documents, we know that some of the translators were given the opportunity to become interrogators without any training whatsoever in interrogation operations.

AMY GOODMAN: But General Miller had said he wants to blur the bright line between military police and military intelligence, that the military police were to take the prisoners to military intelligence.

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: Correct.

AMY GOODMAN: Your people were to be brought – Were you in charge of military intelligence?

COL. JANIS KARPINSKI: No, not at all, and the Military Intelligence Brigade Commander did not work for me. He ran the Interrogation Brigade -- the Intelligence Brigade, and he ran interrogations, which was a function at Abu Ghraib. Your version of Karpinski not being an aggressive commander differs from one where senior officer set up an interrogation unit Karpinski wasn't in charge of, yet Karpinski was demoted? You really hear a completely different version reading the whole transcript.

The Iraq was has been run by incompetent people at every turn. I don't get the impression Karpinski was anything except a scapegoat as Lindy England was. England was stupid and maybe a bunch of them got carried away. But the people actually responsible are still there "doing a heck of a job". :rolleyes:

[David Wong]

Thank you for that completely objective, unbiased account, Skeptigirl!

The Republicans are clearly wrong for Us, Wrong for Our Children, and Wrong for America. Please vote Democrat in 2008.

Thank you.

[maccy]

Can I suggest that somebody starts a new Karpinski thread?

Also, it should probably be in politics - as I don't think it really counts as a Conspiracy Theory.

[jhunter1163]

Paulson certainly doesn't seem to be overly concerned about his impending incarceration. He's going about his official business like nothing ever happened. Oh, wait.. nothing DID ever happen...

[WildCat]

Can I suggest that somebody starts a new Karpinski thread?

Also, it should probably be in politics - as I don't think it really counts as a Conspiracy Theory.
Been there, done that in Politics long ago. Maybe skeptigirl should bump that thread if she really wants to discuss it.

[skeptigirl]

I'm content with the one post. I was just responding to the unsubstantiated claims about Karpinski in this thread.

Maybe if I have time later I'll look at it. If there is a particular post with a citation supporting those unsubstantiated claims, feel free to link to the post.

[T.A.M.]

Hell no, the first rule of conspiracy theorists, never admit you are wrong. Now he is saying Paulson fled to Israel (got to involved those Jews somehow). Hilariously, he is now accusing Greg Szymanski of lying about this.

Thats what I hate about the "alternative" media...no accountability. You get Larry King saying this shaite, and proven wrong he would either lose his job or haev to make a public apology. These guys, they just make up more shaite to excuse the first crap they post...disgusting.

TAM

[skeptigirl]

You definition/division "alternative media" does not describe the news validity continuum. Some Internet news is very trustworthy and I can't see you put Fox News into your "alternative media" category. Maybe you meant to include it? They haven't been exactly accountable. The NY Times was sort of accountable when they fired Judy Miller for filing false stories but I doubt the Times did a good job apologizing and retracting all the erroneous information they published during the pre-Iraq War period when most of the mainstream news outlets were negligent.

I agree this is a different sort of lack of accountability, but as I noted already, many skeptics are not skeptical enough about the current news quality in the USA.

[T.A.M.]

I tend not to sweat the small stuff. The MSM tends to get in a lot of crap when they get the big stuff wrong, but not the AM. No, they hide behind their "smallness" hoping noone will notice as they publicly deface, libel, and discredit whomever they please. Paulson is a perfect example. He is a federal politician. A member of the administration, and this worldreports.org site is printing that he was arrested, put before an INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL, and SENTENCED. Meanwhile noone else has mentioned this NEWS. Yet will this site admit it was wrong and make a public apology?

What happened to Dan Rather's career when he "Got it wrong"?

TAM

[jhunter1163]

The trouble with the so-called alternative media is that the signal-to-noise ratio is so low that if something huge DID get discovered there, the chances are good it'd get dismissed because the AM's reliability record on these stories is so bad. If Alex Jones came up with incontrovertible proof of Bush's involvement in 9/11, who would listen? We'd think he faked it, because he's destroyed his credibility with all of the other shaite he's put out.

[skeptigirl]

If there were incontrovertible proof of Bush being involved in 911 other than via neglect, it wouldn't likely only be in the hands of one person.

I don't want to hijack the thread TAM but you seriously underestimate the "perfect storm" which has resulted in serious problems with mainstream media and it's predominance as the information source for the majority of people in this country. Due to some of those multiple factors (not some single conspiracy) Bush proponents were able to shift the focus of Bush's Nat'l Guard record to Dan Rather's and Mary Mapes' mistake of rushing ahead with a story they should have taken more time investigating. It's a classic Karl Rove campaign tactic and they are very good at it. Fake memos or not, the actual story was true.

[skeptigirl]

About the web site (http://www.worldreports.org/aboutus)

Christopher E. H. Story FRSA, Managing and Operations Director, a former occasional adviser to Lady Thatcher, has over 35 years’ experience of specialist intelligence and financial publishing.

Mr Story has testified on several occasions before US Congressional Committees on international affairs issues. He is a very well-known independent currency, economics, finance and current affairs specialist, and is also a conference speaker on dimensions of the World Revolution that are swamping and confusing the West.


The 1992 Presidential election was won by Bill Clinton, a CIA operative and intelligence community ‘Box Gang’ crony of the Bush Family. Sure enough, a large parcel arrived at World Reports Limited’s London office in December 1992, containing more than 100 pages of memoranda that Mr Golitsyn had submitted of his own volition (not under contract) to the Central Intelligence Agency (many of them addressed by name to the Director of Central Intelligence, or DCI). So what did Anatoliy Golitsyn realise about the US presidential succession of 1992, or what did he suspect? Did he know that Clinton, a CIA operative, may also serve another master (as subsequent events allegedly implied)?


Another forum (http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=295159833&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=295159833&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=) seems to be having a similar discussion, though it starts off with all the believers. Some skeptics do join in. (Sorry if you've linked to this stuff already.) There were also a couple of links to a Japanese site which turned out to be a forum also.


I see only BS with this guy and his site. The supposed journals only pop up on the worldreports website. The books look like they're only on the web site. Probably self published pamphlets. Having supposedly authored all sorts of economic stuff and supposedly being "well known" nothing can be found on Google with the guy's name as author. This guy may very well be mentally ill. If not, then we need a few new definitions in the DSM-IV diagnostic manual.

[T.A.M.]

Opinions aside, SG, I have had no proof shown to me that the MSM is corrupt, as you say it is. Likewise, I have only sites like worldreports.org, and a few other less than bias AM sites to compare to when judging them. Show me some alternative media sites that have NO AGENDA, and provide only honest, well backed news stories, and I am sure my opinion (on the validity of some AM) may be changable.

So do you consider all MSM, regardless of nation or origin, to be corrupt? How about the CBC in Canada, or BBC in the UK?

TAM

[skeptigirl]

By MSM I take it you are referring to mainstream media?

Is there a thread we can take this to, should I start another or is it agreed this is within the tread topic?

I have pages to post on this. It may take time.

[skeptigirl]

I wanted to add re TAM's comment, "Show me some alternative media sites that have NO AGENDA," an observation/question.

Prior to current Iraq invasion, Amy Goodman from Democracy Now documented the background of all the special guests interviewed on the main news stations, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox because they were supposedly some kind of expert. Out of approximately 400 guests (I can look up the exact details) only 3 were leaders of antiwar activists groups. There were a fair number of 911 victims' relatives who organized a group called "Not in Our Name" (http://www.notinourname.net/index.html) who opposed any more killing in the name of their lost loved ones. They were never heard from on the MSN or if heard from it was one time (again, the exact details escape me.)

Given the fact the country was not 99% pro war and 1% antiwar (which 400 to 3 guests suggests, in fact the antiwar movement was significant prior to the start of the war), and given there was a considerable body of evidence suggesting Bush was presenting false information (see DN archives for the timing of the disclosures I noted earlier), just which news media sites had an AGENDA?


Note: the Democracy Now broadcast station is located within walking distance of the Trade Towers. Just an FYI in case anyone was assuming they were out of touch with the events of that day.

[JamesB]

I am starting to think this guy is losing it:

http://www.worldreports.org/news/39_paulson_flew_to_isra

8th January 2007: The text of this report was approved verbatim by Michael C. Cottrell, M.S., Executive Vice President, AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc., and separately by Ambassador Wanta. All details of the Paulson arrest scenario and the contents of the Diary coverage on this website, together with all the previous Wanta postings, are also pre-approved by Michael C. Cottrell, M.S., Treasurer and Executive Vice President, AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc, and by Ambassador Leo Emil Wanta.

10th January: For those kind Americans and others who may be concerned at vituperative 'Black' attacks on the Principals and this website, please be reassured that those who know the facts in sensitive places know that we are 'true', that the facts are the facts, that the 'Black' antagonists cannot 'succeed', and that the matter is being addressed by certain means which we are not at liberty to elaborate upon. In the meantime, we who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is come in the flesh, can rejoice at His assurances to us in Matthew Chapter 7, verses 16-20:

'Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?'
'Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit'.
'Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire'.
'Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them'.

10th January: The primary source for information on the global Wanta-related international financial corruption crisis is this website: www.worldreports.org. All such intelligence is cleared in advance by the Principals. Any Internet sources claiming to be the primary source and which are lifting our information (in one or more cases verbatim, deleting all references to us, which is a gross breach of copyright and rank plagiarism) and that are claiming to be disseminating this information as their original research, are openly deceiving both themselves and their readerships. Intelligence on this subject which diverges in any way from what is posted on www.worldreports.org is by definition unreliable and cannot be trusted. It should be checked against our postings for veracity. Detailed information is available in International Currency Review [see website for further details].Someone is playing "A Beautiful Mind: The Home Game"

[skeptigirl]

Intelligence on this subject which diverges in any way from what is posted on www.worldreports.org is by definition unreliable and cannot be trusted. It should be checked against our postingsIllusions of Grandeur?

[skeptigirl]

International Currency Review

Only obtained by purchase from worldreports.
Only cited on by worldreports and the 2 blogs buying into the nonsense.

David Icke.com (http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/1809/58/)
International Currency Review supports story of US Treasury rip off by Bush and Clinton crime families

'While the country is preoccupied with terrorism, the war in Iraq and 9/11, thugs controlling the takeover of America are stealing citizens blind to the tune of $55 to $300 trillion dollars, according to an undercover financial report by the London-based International Currency Review.

The up-to-date report just released confirms that $27.5 trillion first raised from 1989-1992 to finance the imposition of the New World Order...The "read more" link gets you:Greg Szymanski's Arctic Beacon (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/23-June-2006.html)
thugs controlling the takeover of America are stealing citizens blind to the tune of $55 to $300 trillion dollars, according to an undercover financial report by the London-based International Currency Review.

The up-to-date report just released confirms that $27.5 trillion first raised from 1989-1992 to finance the imposition of the New World Order....From there you can open a Word Doc with the ICR article pasted as an image file. It's hard to read. Anyone care to look at it? I don't have the time to debunk it. I've seen enough.

[T.A.M.]

Seems those who run worldreports.org have finally gone insane...big surprise.

SG:

given the report that sparked this thread has a lot to do with the sources credibility, i think a discussion, side or otherwise, wrt MSM versus AM would be tolerated.

TAM:)

[jhunter1163]

Hmmm... they didn't seem to get much for their $27.5 trillion, did they?

[skeptigirl]

Seems those who run worldreports.org have finally gone insane...big surprise.

SG:

given the report that sparked this thread has a lot to do with the sources credibility, i think a discussion, side or otherwise, wrt MSM versus AM would be tolerated.

TAM:)Is it a "those" or a "he"?

And while it could be a "she" I don't think you can find many examples of females with this kind of behavior.

But you didn't comment on MSM agendas, TAM. I was hoping you could tell me why you think MSM is so agenda neutral? Too off topic?

[pomeroo]

:) The news story says Paulson was arrested in Germany. I think they meant that he was arrested on the Polish-Austrian border.

[JamesB]

Is it a "those" or a "he"?

And while it could be a "she" I don't think you can find many examples of females with this kind of behavior.

But you didn't comment on MSM agendas, TAM. I was hoping you could tell me why you think MSM is so agenda neutral? Too off topic?

It is just "he". I have never found anyone else at that so called journal, other than Story, the all-wise. Remember, if anyone says anything different than him, it is wrong.:D

[Firestone]

I don't know if this has been posted before:

aanAm10Bbbg

The comments on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?eurl=&v=aanAm10Bbbg) are delirious! Two examples:

tyrranyofsouls (1 day ago)
The source has over 30 years credibility. And in London, they can be sued for lying -- unlike here. On January 10, when I released this report, Christopher Story could not confirm Paulsons release from Germany. Today, Leo Wanta's attorney confirmed that Paulson was handed into British custody and then transferred back to the US. Paulson then attended the Ford funeral. But shortly after, he was quickly flown to Israel to avoid a negotiation that was agreed upon with the German Chancellor.

epist4xis (1 day ago)
So its also confirmed. Thats all I wanted to know (in fact, I didn`t want to see it confirmed, cause now, we all have a serious problem, maybe the most threatening problem ever)
Let`s have a look for how long the "official" media will be able to ignore it.

[jhunter1163]

Oh for cripes sake.. is this going to turn into a game of "Hunt the Secretary"?

[Architect]

And remember....they've managed to keep it off ALL the mainstream news media! ;)

[skeptigirl]

I didn't watch the program, but while channel surfing I crossed the public TV channel on which 3 people were going on about the same nonsense and they cited the two blogs I cited in post #111 which repeated the worldreport claims. They didn't mention Paulson but they were going on about the currency.

My what a small world.

As far as the youtube video, I don't get it. Where were these trillion dollar payments supposedly coming from? That whole part escapes my tiny brain.

[Mince]

I don't know if this has been posted before:

aanAm10Bbbg

The comments on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?eurl=&v=aanAm10Bbbg) are delirious! Two examples:


Why does the narrator sound like Joshua from War Games?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0086567/

[skeptigirl]

Why does the narrator sound like Joshua from War Games?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0086567/
I [chuckle, chuckle] think the guy was disguising his voice electronically.

[Minadin]

Apparently Rumsfeld's 2.3 trillion dollars of unaccounted spending have grown to 3.2 trillion dollars (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&st=270) of stolen money:


Maybe the next one he should try is :

What did the Pentagon do with 3.2 TRILLION dollars they told us they "lost" on 9/10/2001. Whose information was stored on computers and blown up in the same area AA77 didn't hit.

Did you ever lose $8,000 dollars gravy? The government lost $8,000 of your dollars, $8,000 of my dollars, $8,000 of every American citizens dollars.


So what do you think happened to that 3.2 TRILLION dollars gravy?

And apparenly $8k of it was Gravy's.

[orphia nay]

I just posted elsewhere that the twoofers I've been debating have been silent on 9/11 for a month now.

However, one of them did post this article yesterday:
http://www.worldreports.org/news/47_investigators,_cia_
(Beware... CAPS LOCK overload.)

I've got battle fatigue, I think. Can anyone please summarise this Wanta thing for me, while I attempt to get up to date on this saga?

[JamesB]

I just posted elsewhere that the twoofers I've been debating have been silent on 9/11 for a month now.

However, one of them did post this article yesterday:
http://www.worldreports.org/news/47_investigators,_cia_
(Beware... CAPS LOCK overload.)

I've got battle fatigue, I think. Can anyone please summarise this Wanta thing for me, while I attempt to get up to date on this saga?

Wanta claims that he was tasked by Reagan to crash the Soviet ruble. He then claims that be made trillions off of the deal, which was left in a variety of international bank accounts. He was then arrested, thrown in a Swiss dungeon, and then extradicted back to Wisconsin where he has been held for the past 12 years on trumped on tax charges. He now says the fund is around $70 trillion. He says that Bush agreed to return $4.5 trillion of this, but now Cheney and Paulson have intervened. He never explains why he only want's $4.5 trillion.

The reality is, Wanta is a small time con man, who ran appeared to have been involved in some ruble scams in the early 90s. He was arrested and convicted to 6 years for tax evasion. He also had some financial problems arising from a failed vending machine company. He often make outrages claims, like being able to make $45 trillion a year in investment income off of this $4.5 trillion, which would quickly expand to take over the entire world. I have covered it in detail over at my blog if you want more info.

http://thechiefbrief.blogspot.com

[ktesibios]

I just posted elsewhere that the twoofers I've been debating have been silent on 9/11 for a month now.

However, one of them did post this article yesterday:
http://www.worldreports.org/news/47_investigators,_cia_
(Beware... CAPS LOCK overload.)


Here's an interesting tidbit from the page orphia nay linked:

U.S. HOUSE BILL TO ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE
The US House of Representatives has a Bill to abolish the Federal Reserve (see previous postings) which had been expected to be approved on 1st February. The House appears to have refrained from voting on this Resolution, raising suspicions of collusion with the Cheney-directed (OMEGA OPS) conspirators, to enable further fiat money to be generated from Wanta’s funds pending the Fed's abolition – following which the Treasury will assume central banking functions.

The current (110th) Congress House Bill [HR. 2778: UNPUBLISHED as at 02 February 2007] contains a schedule for phasing out the Federal Reserve, details of which, like the Bill itself, had not yet been disclosed when this posting was finalised.

UPDATE: We now understand that the Bill was passed but was NOT SIGNED, which strongly implies that the President of the United States may still be a co-conspirator with the Vice President.

If you go to the Library of Congress' THOMAS site (http://thomas.loc.gov) and search on "H.R. 2778" for the current Congress, you get this:

The text of H.R. 2778 has not yet been received from GPO

Bills are generally sent to the Library of Congress from the Government Printing Office a day or two after they are introduced on the floor of the House or Senate. Delays can occur when there are a large number of bills to prepare or when a very large bill has to be printed.

However, you get exactly the same result if you search on "H.R. 1000", "H.R. 950" or "H.R. 1500". A look at the "browse by bill number" shows why- the current Congress is only up to the 820s in House bill numbers- 950, 1000, 1500 and 2778 don't exist as bills before the 110th Congress.

To find out anything about an actual bill numbered H.R. 2778, you have to try searching previous Congresses.

The 109th Congress turns up this:
Common Sense in Voter Registration Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
HR 2778 IH

That ain't it.

I hit paydirt searching the 108th Congress:
Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (Introduced in House)
HR 2778 IH

108th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 2778

To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

That's got to be it.
A look at the Congressional actions page (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR02778:@@@X) relating to this bill shows that it was introduced in July 2003 by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Cloud Cuckoo Land), turfed off to the Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology and hasn't been heard from since (this seems to be a Congressional equivalent to "send this dame the bedbug letter").

Unpublished, my [rule 8]. Our worldreports.org guy just seems to be incompetent to find his way around a simple legislative Web site- and since he also doesn't appear to know that a bill has to be passed in the same form by both houses of Congress before it goes to the President to be signed, vetoed or pocket vetoed, he probably can't find the "Legislative Process" (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/laws_made.html) link either.

Secret legislative skulduggery, babble about "white hats" secretly fighting the bad guys behind the scenes, huge amounts of money- it all seems familiar.

Someone should fix this guy up with "Dove of Oneness", the NESARA scam lady. I've never seen a more perfect pair of soulmates.

[The Almond]

Excellent bit of sleuthing Mr. Ktesibios! It seems that worldreports is failing the BS test at every turn.

[CptColumbo]

BTW has anyone seen this guy walking around. He's still listed on the books at the Dept. of Treasury.

[JamesB]

Drawing on some of my work, and even the posters here, a writer has produced a rather good summary of this whole Wanta story, for those of you who are interested.

http://www.conspiracy-times.com/content/view/29/30/