This is just frakking WHACKED

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Words defy any attepmt to describe this. (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3347309,00.html)

I mean I can tell you what it is. It's Iran begging to get nuked again by stating that Hitler was a jew who faked the holocaust to give Britian and the USSR the perfect setup to create Israel and unload the jewish population there and make it seem like an act of charity rather than ethnic cleansing.

Defining it is easy... describing it evades the heart and mind.

[Arus808]

everyone knows that he is a sociopath....that's what happens when sociopaths take a position of power.

[Gravy]

Whacked, indeed. I liked this reply: http://www.ynetnews.com/images/display_tb_blue_left_upeng.gif
Ahmadinejad is a Jew; his mother told me
and he is trying to establish a Jewish state in Iran. Ask his grandmother she knows what he's up to, the naughty boy. He's just fooling everyone with his anti-Zionist rhetoric to pacify everyone so that they don't realize what his real intentions for Iran are: A Huge Zionist state. His nukes are really for the new Zionist state. But shhhh don't tell anyone.

[DiskoVilante]

@ Sword_of_Truth: You watch BSG don't you?

Oh well...just ignore Iran for the time being.
I'm about to go insane with all the BS in the world.

[PerryLogan]

This is a conspiracy meme I've run into before. Doesn't David Icke also claim that Hitler was Jewish--or Reptoidish? I guess this makes Ahmadinejad a true conspiracy guy, unless he's just saying it to freak everyone out.

[Polaris]

Words defy any attepmt to describe this. (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3347309,00.html)

I mean I can tell you what it is. It's Iran begging to get nuked again by stating that Hitler was a jew who faked the holocaust to give Britian and the USSR the perfect setup to create Israel and unload the jewish population there and make it seem like an act of charity rather than ethnic cleansing.

Defining it is easy... describing it evades the heart and mind.

When did Iran get nuked?

[JimBenArm]

When did Iran get nuked?

Last week by the NWO. Didn't you get the memo?

[Peephole]

For the record:
Dear Cecil:

I and a number of my friends were raised Jewish. In different Sunday and Hebrew schools, we all heard myths that Hitler was Jewish, and some said that his heritage, not the impending allied victory, caused him to commit suicide. One stubborn boy insists that Hitler's father was at least half Jewish, and that young Adolf hated his father, causing him to translate his hatred into mass slaughter as an adult. Secular teachers, history books, and encyclopedias make no mention of Hitler having any Jewish blood. I hope you, Cecil the all-knowing, can set the record straight. -- Anonymous, Dallas

Cecil replies:

Wish I could oblige, bubeleh. But while Hitler probably didn't have any Jewish blood, it can't be completely ruled out. Hitler's father was illegitimate and to this day there is some question about who his grandfather was. Throughout his career he was dogged by rumors about his pedigree, some of them circulated by his fellow Nazis. In 1933 the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler. It's now known the Bucharest Hitler could not have been grandfather to our Adolf, but Hitler was sufficiently worried about the whole business that, according to the historian John Toland, he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself.

[Architect]

Last week by the NWO. Didn't you get the memo?


Yup, we in the Sooper Seekrit 28th Legion needed somewhere for our sooper seekrit base........

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

When did Iran get nuked?

I think he meant, "It's Iran again begging to be nuked."

[Fnord]

For the record, Adolph Hitler claimed Roman Catholicism as his religion.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

[Kiwiwriter]

Ian Kershaw covered this myth perfectly in his magisterial biography of Adolf, "Hitler:1889-1936: Hubris," page 8.

To avoid quoting copyrighted material, the short version:

Hans Frank, the "butcher of Cracow," boss of occupied Poland, claimed at Nuremberg that Hitler had Jewish blood, saying that Maria Ann Schicklgruber , Hitler's great-grandmother, was impregnated by a Jew named Frankenberger while Maria Ann was his cook in the family home in Graz.

Unfortunately, there was no Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz at the time, as Jews were not permitted in that part of Austria at all. A family named Frankenreiter did live there, but they were not Jewish. More importantly, Maria Anna was never in Graz, nor ever employed by the family. The son of Leopold Frankenreiter (assuming Frank merely got names wrong) was 10 years old at the birth of Alois Schicklgruber. Hitler could not have learned this story from Anna Maria, as she'd been dead 40 years when Adolf was born. Hitler did have the Gestapo investigate claims by his nephew William Patrick Hitler on this subject, and they came up with nothing. The Gestapo believed William was looking for "shut-up money." Frank wrote this story between sentencing and the hangman, so he was under great psychological stress, and the material is full of other inaccuracies.

End of story.

Hitler's testicles were normal, too.

[Architect]

Hitler's testicles were normal, too.

:eek:

So what was it in the Albert Hall then?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

When did Iran get nuked?

Iran has never been nuked to my knowledge, but it's leaders have been asking for a "crowd pleaser" to be shoved up thier collective tailpipes for the last year and a half, give or take a few months.

It was the act of begging for a nuke that I was referring to as happening again.

As far as conspiracy theories go, this is one that possibly exceed even Spooked911's capacity for stupid and insane.

[Alt+F4]

Hitler's testicles were normal, too.

Really? Rats! That was one of my favorite Hitler stories.

I think the only Hitler conspiracy left is what happened to his burned corpse? I know the Soviets grabbed it as a war prize for Stalin but where is it today?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

@ Sword_of_Truth: You watch BSG don't you?

I do more than watch it. I'm a descendant of the original Galacticans and I teach it to little kids in sunday school. ;)

This being the conspiracy theory forum, here's the hysterical paranoiac's version. (http://www.icwseminary.org/mormonsinspace.htm)

[Dog Town]

Did anyone else notice, the college uproar inTehran durring the Holo/denial festivities? Give those students podcasts, and the rest will be history. They were burning pics of Amadumbass, it was gutsy. Not Tiananmen Square, but nice to see.

[Architect]

You know we employ an Iranian girl, although she's not on my team. I have to say that she - and her Iranian friends - seem a lot more sensible than stereotypes and the mass media would like us to believe.

Of course she doesn't threaten to set off a nuke at a site meeting whenever it goes against her, which may explain a thing or two......

[Peephole]

Posting this again since it was deleted:
Hitler was not sure who his paternal grandfather was, but it was probably either Johann Georg Hiedler or his brother Johann Nepomuk Hiedler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Nepomuk_Hiedler). There have been rumours that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) [1] (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html) and that his paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Schicklgruber), had become pregnant after working as a servant in a Jewish household in Graz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graz%2C_Austria). During the 1920s, the implications of these rumours along with his known family history were politically explosive, especially for the proponent of a racist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism) ideology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology). Opponents tried to prove that Hitler, the leader of the anti-Semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitic) Nazi Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party), had Jewish or Czech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_people) ancestors. Although these rumours were never confirmed, for Hitler they were reason enough to conceal his origins. Soviet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) propaganda insisted Hitler was a Jew, though more modern research tends to diminish the probability that he had Jewish ancestors. According to Robert G. L. Waite in The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler, Hitler made it illegal for German women to work in Jewish households, and after the "Anschluss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss)" (annexation) of Austria, Hitler had his father's hometown obliterated by turning it into an artillery practice area. Hitler seemed to fear that he was Jewish, and as Waite points out, this fact is more important than whether he actually was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
And these pages also cover the subject:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/hitler-jewish.shtml

[Dog Town]

Posting this again since it was deleted:

And this page covers it nicely:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html

Sorry, but why was it deleted?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Generally, when a mod deletes something, you don't repost it.

As it came from the Straight Dope and appeared to be a verbatim copy & paste, I believe Lisa S. removed it due to possible copyright issues.

[Hutch]

Sorry, but why was it deleted?

At a guess, he quoted the entirety of The Straight Dope's answer, which is against the rules (you cannot quote an entire copyrighted item, you can however quote bits and pieces and link to the source.

IMHO as always.

[Peephole]

Generally, when a mod deletes something, you don't repost it.

Wikipedia has no copyright.

[Dog Town]

Generally, when a mod deletes something, you don't repost it.

As it came from the Straight Dope and appeared to be a verbatim copy & paste, I believe Lisa S. removed it due to possible copyright issues.

Coo-El.

[beachnut]

Ahmadinejad - close aide says Hitler was self-hating Jew

Ahmadinejad - close aide says Hitler was Ahmadinejad's father another self-hating Jew

Ahmadinejad - close aide says Ahmadinejad is nuts and wants a new job!

[Kage]

Part of me wants to say that Amena-na-na... whatever wants to distract the World and especially Iran's population from his failures to follow through on his campaign promises and will say really crazy things in order to do that. He knows that the US is too over extended in Iraq to do anything violent to him without his counterattack's being much worse, so he isn't risking much.

The less mature part of me wonders, "If He loves Israel so much why doesn't he marry it?"

[ref]

You know we employ an Iranian girl, although she's not on my team. I have to say that she - and her Iranian friends - seem a lot more sensible than stereotypes and the mass media would like us to believe.

Tell me you are not serious with this post, are you?

[ref]

You know we employ an Iranian girl, although she's not on my team. I have to say that she - and her Iranian friends - seem a lot more sensible than stereotypes and the mass media would like us to believe.

Let's clear my last post to avoid any more confusion. You wouldn't actually consider everybody from the millions of people in one country to act, think, believe like each other person in that particular country? You really wouldn't even slightly consider all the people with Iranian background to be like their current leaders?

[SezMe]

Wikipedia has no copyright.
No doubt, but irrelevant. Did you or did you not copy an entire post from the Straight Dope site?

[ref]

And not to comment on this particular story alone, but I tend to take very cautious approach to MEMRI reported articles. There have been numerous critiques towards their policy, about being pro-Israel and portraying Islam on purpose in a most negative light.

[Architect]

Let's clear my last post to avoid any more confusion. You wouldn't actually consider everybody from the millions of people in one country to act, think, believe like each other person in that particular country? You really wouldn't even slightly consider all the people with Iranian background to be like their current leaders?

I think that is exatly the point I am making; stereotypes and generalisations which are grossly inaccurate permeate the coverage and many people's opinion.

[ref]

I think that is exatly the point I am making; stereotypes and generalisations which are grossly inaccurate permeate the coverage and many people's opinion.

Stereotypes and inaccurate generalisations really are the opinion of a whole lot of people, and media approach. What I was thinking was, not yours too?

[Architect]

Everything is subjective; no matter how hard we try, we can never be truly objective.

Do I claim some sort of special dispensation from this? No, of course not. But I've been around the block a bit more than some others.

[ref]

Case closed arch :)

[Peephole]

No doubt, but irrelevant. Did you or did you not copy an entire post from the Straight Dope site?
Yes and also an excerpt from wikipedia.

[chipmunk stew]

And not to comment on this particular story alone, but I tend to take very cautious approach to MEMRI reported articles. There have been numerous critiques towards their policy, about being pro-Israel and portraying Islam on purpose in a most negative light.
To test your caution in this particular case, here's the original MEMRI article, which consists of translated excerpts from a December 28, 2006, interview with Baztab:
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD140807#_edn3


In a December 28, 2006 interview with the Iranian website Baztab, which is affiliated with Iranian Expediency Council Secretary Mohsen Rezai, Iranian Presidential Advisor Mohammad Ali Ramin said that Hitler was Jewish, and that Hitler's policies were aimed at bringing about the establishment of a Jewish state. Ramin added that Hitler acted under the influence of his powerful Jewish associates and in cooperation with Britain, since the latter shared his desire to force the Jews out of Europe.

Ramin was recently appointed secretary-general of the new "world foundation for Holocaust Studies" established at the Iranian Holocaust Denial Conference in December.
The following are excerpts from the interview:


And here's the website for Baztab:
http://www.baztab.com/
The website is in Farsi(?), though, so you may need help finding the original interview transcript and translating it.

[ref]

To test your caution in this particular case, here's the original MEMRI article, which consists of translated excerpts from a December 28, 2006, interview with Baztab:
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD140807#_edn3


And here's the website for Baztab:
http://www.baztab.com/
The website is in Farsi(?), though, so you may need help finding the original interview transcript and translating it.

What is your point, Philly Ninja? The comment was made on their general policy. Not this interview's authenticy or it's translation.

[MG1962]

You know we employ an Iranian girl, although she's not on my team. I have to say that she - and her Iranian friends - seem a lot more sensible than stereotypes and the mass media would like us to believe.


Yeah I will second that - a good friend of mine was the offical driver for the Iranian weightlifting team for the 2000 Olympics in Sydney. On the rare occasions their handlers where not present. He said these guys were absolute riots. All they wanted to do was find somewhere to drink and chat up Australian girls :)

[Architect]

All they wanted to do was find somewhere to drink and chat up Australian girls


I think you'll find that was the Scottish team.......

[chipmunk stew]

What is your point, Philly Ninja? The comment was made on their general policy. Not this interview's authenticy or it's translation.
My point is that whatever their general policy, the authenticity of individual articles can be tested.

I might ask, what is the point of commenting on MEMRI's general policy, if not to caution your reader to test the authenticity of individual articles they produce?

[aggle-rithm]

Ian Kershaw covered this myth perfectly in his magisterial biography of Adolf, "Hitler:1889-1936: Hubris," page 8.

To avoid quoting copyrighted material, the short version:

Hans Frank, the "butcher of Cracow," boss of occupied Poland, claimed at Nuremberg that Hitler had Jewish blood, saying that Maria Ann Schicklgruber , Hitler's great-grandmother, was impregnated by a Jew named Frankenberger while Maria Ann was his cook in the family home in Graz.

Unfortunately, there was no Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz at the time, as Jews were not permitted in that part of Austria at all. A family named Frankenreiter did live there, but they were not Jewish. More importantly, Maria Anna was never in Graz, nor ever employed by the family. The son of Leopold Frankenreiter (assuming Frank merely got names wrong) was 10 years old at the birth of Alois Schicklgruber. Hitler could not have learned this story from Anna Maria, as she'd been dead 40 years when Adolf was born. Hitler did have the Gestapo investigate claims by his nephew William Patrick Hitler on this subject, and they came up with nothing. The Gestapo believed William was looking for "shut-up money." Frank wrote this story between sentencing and the hangman, so he was under great psychological stress, and the material is full of other inaccuracies.

End of story.

Hitler's testicles were normal, too.

Psychologist Alice Miller had a theory that much of Hitler's belief system arose from his attempts to reconcile his conflicted feelings towards his father. According to Miller, he projected the hated part of his father (the supposed "Jewish" half) onto the Jews, and the beloved part onto the Fatherland. According to this theory, it really didn't matter whether it was true that his father was half-Jewish, it was the possibility and the uncertainty that created problems for Adolph.

Hitler's strong hatred for Jews first arose when he laid eyes on Hasidic Jews. Didn't care for them, apparently.

[ref]

My point is that whatever their general policy, the authenticity of individual articles can be tested.

I might ask, what is the point of commenting on MEMRI's general policy, if not to caution your reader to test the authenticity of individual articles they produce?

Individual articles can be tested, yes. I didn't question this article and I wouldn't doubt it's authenticity. I can not test it anyway, because I can mainly read only these kind of letters, that you are seeing right now.

Anyway, your second sentence is more accurate.

I may have been slightly offtopic criticizing MEMRI policies. If multiple sources criticize them for being biased in their reporting of Muslim world in a way, that most likely portrays Islam only in a negative light, then I think the reporting policy in general is very questionable.

The reason for pointing that out then? Maybe just to think. There are other news from the region as well, some reporting may only pick the stuff from the crop they want to, to portray the image they want to report.

[chipmunk stew]

At the risk of slipping further off-topic...
I may have been slightly offtopic criticizing MEMRI policies. If multiple sources criticize them for being biased in their reporting of Muslim world in a way, that most likely portrays Islam only in a negative light, then I think the reporting policy in general is very questionable.
That may very well be. Please name these multiple sources and include examples of their criticisms of MEMRI.
The reason for pointing that out then? Maybe just to think. There are other news from the region as well, some reporting may only pick the stuff from the crop they want to, to portray the image they want to report.
That's a safe assumption. We should always strive to defeat the influence of news organizations' biases by sampling a cross-section of credible sources.

[chipmunk stew]

www.memri.org (http://www.memri.org)

This is from the "About Us" page:
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) explores the Middle East through the region's media. MEMRI bridges the language gap which exists between the West and the Middle East, providing timely translations of Arabic, Persian, and Turkish media, as well as original analysis of political, ideological, intellectual, social, cultural, and religious trends in the Middle East.

Founded in February 1998 to inform the debate over U.S. policy in the Middle East, MEMRI is an independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit, 501 (c)3 organization. MEMRI's headquarters is located in Washington, DC with branch offices in Berlin, London, Tokyo and Jerusalem. MEMRI research is translated to English, German, Hebrew, Italian, French, Spanish and Japanese.

After sampling some of their articles, "timely translations" and "original analysis" appear to be accurate descriptions of their goals. But an unstated goal also appears to be to draw attention to alarming signs of Islamist (as opposed to Islamic) / extremist views in the Middle East (like the article referenced by Ynet) and to hopeful signs of Islamic moderation, such as:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR4006
and
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA31206

They appear to have a clear bias towards Western-style democratic freedoms and against Taliban-style theocratic restrictions.

However, I don't see any attempt to paint Islam in a negative light.

[ref]

At the risk of slipping further off-topic...

That may very well be. Please name these multiple sources and include examples of their criticisms of MEMRI.

That's a safe assumption. We should always strive to defeat the influence of news organizations' biases by sampling a cross-section of credible sources.

Well, maybe you can go to the Wikipedia page and the criticism section. There are some sources for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMRI

[chipmunk stew]

Well, maybe you can go to the Wikipedia page and the criticism section. There are some sources for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMRI
Thanks.

Check this out. This is a site called Mosaic (a creation of LinkTV) that hosts video streams from news orgs around the Middle East, dubbed in English:
http://www.linktv.org/mosaic/streamsArchive/index.php4

Cool!

[valis]

I think the only Hitler conspiracy left is what happened to his burned corpse?

Are you kidding? My favorite is the "was he straight or was he gay" debate.

[Fnord]

This topic has gone from "Whacky Iranian Leader" to "JREF Posting Policies."

When in trouble, when in doubt, point your finger, scream and shout!