911debunker vs. Killtown

[chippy]

I'm letting you all know that I am going to take on Killtown regarding the crash of Flight 93. It's taking place at a new forum that appears to have just eight members, so I'm not sure how wide of an audience will see the debate. I think it will be important though.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Sector_G/index.php?showtopic=4

That's where it will be. And if you don't mind, I'd like to insert a little shameless self-promotion and point out my "blog", although I consider that a dirty word. I'm a livejournaler, not a blogger!

http://911debunker.livejournal.com

[jaydeehess]

Go for it but be warned he will use stupidity and ignorance as his sheild.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He will?

[Woody-]

Well since this is his opening statement

What solid evidence proves 757 crashed at Shanks?, and disproves a staged scene?

Meaning, how does the crash scene fit a legitimate 757 crashing there like the official story claims?

How does it disprove from merely digging a crater, setting a couple things on fire, spreading some metal scraps here and there, saying small body parts were found and later identified via DNA testing, and saying all that proves a plane crash?

I would reply like this.

What solid evidence proves a staged scene?, and disproves a 757 crashed at Shanks?

Meaning, how does a staged scene fit a legitimate conspiracy there like the CT story claims?

How does it disprove from merely Crashing a plane, and saying all that proves a staged scene?

[stateofgrace]

Ok I'll go for it and have asked him a very simple question.

I fully expect his answer but maybe he will surprise me

[ConspiRaider]

Go for it but be warned he will use stupidity and ignorance as his shield.
That's two things at once, do you think he can pull that off? I'm voting that ignorance will prevail, he'll go with that exclusively...

Am I missing something in that link? I only see Killtown's two posts, and StateOfGrace's. Chippy - where are you?

[Horatius]

He will?

How long did you practice that impersonation? It's bang on!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

How long did you practice that impersonation? It's bang on!

It's all in the wrist. ;)

[Zep]

The obvious answer to Killtown is: To stage the scene as realistically as possible, they got a REAL 757 full of REAL people, and crashed it right on the spot they wanted it. That way, it would look EXTRA real to anyone, and would fool everyone...all part of their grand conspiracy!

[ConspiRaider]

The obvious answer to Killtown is: To stage the scene as realistically as possible, they got a REAL 757 full of REAL people, and crashed it right on the spot they wanted it. That way, it would look EXTRA real to anyone, and would fool everyone...all part of their grand conspiracy!
Dead on! That's the last thing anyone would ever expect - genuine realness!

The popcorn is getting cold - what's going on over there?

[stateofgrace]

Dead on! That's the last thing anyone would ever expect - genuine realness!

The popcorn is getting cold - what's going on over there?

Nothing, apparently.

Killtown, chippy what is going on?

[LashL]

It's all in the wrist. ;)

It is?

[jaydeehess]

Nothing, apparently.

Killtown, chippy what is going on?

Now, now, they have both established that they are not Gravy.

These things take time.:D

[jaydeehess]

It's all in the wrist. ;)

One gets the feeling that KT is the type who does give his wrist quite a work out on a regular basis.

Not that there's anything wrong with not being the master of one's domain.:D

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have posted a small beginning to his query. I too have my expectations about his response.

[ConspiRaider]

Now, now, they have both established that they are not Gravy.

These things take time.:D
Good reply, JD. The stealth technology as Shanksville was staged right under the noses (and ears) of the residents. Oh, and eyes too. Man those CIA and NSA and NWO guys are good. Mass hypnosis, are you thinking?

[jaydeehess]

Good reply, JD. The stealth technology as Shanksville was staged right under the noses (and ears) of the residents. Oh, and eyes too. Man those CIA and NSA and NWO guys are good. Mass hypnosis, are you thinking?


Mass hypnosis, yeah,,,, yeah that's it. That's the ticket!

Christophera will certainly agree.

[ConspiRaider]

Mass hypnosis, yeah,,,, yeah that's it. That's the ticket!

Christophera will certainly agree.
See this is where you got that bit of dash and daring.

My mundane approach is that they would just pay the whole town off to help, or look the other way. They got all the money, right? They could get all they need from the NWO and the Jooos? Everyone's got a price as they say.

[Horatius]

It is?

Sorry, but now you're just being cheap and derivative.

[Horatius]

They got all the money, right? They could get all they need from the NWO and the Jooos? Everyone's got a price as they say.

The best part is, since they own all the banks too, they get the money back as soon as it's deposited. Win-win, that is!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Sorry, but now you're just being cheap and derivative.

He is?

[chippy]

Sorry...I told Killtown to give me at least a week. It isn't happening yet.

[R.Mackey]

If you really want to have some fun with Killtown, ask him what he gets when he adds 125 feet to 580 miles per hour (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1859207#post1859207).

Read and be amazed.

[LashL]

Sorry, but now you're just being cheap and derivative.

I am?

ETA: Oops, I hadn't seen Sword of Truth's post #20 above when I posted mine and it appears he beat me to it :)

[Free Thinkr]

Killtown is apparently making the rounds; he showed up today (http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73446) at another forum I frequent. Notice how he was nearly instantly destroyed by a resident debunker.

[ConspiRaider]

The best part is, since they own all the banks too, they get the money back as soon as it's deposited. Win-win, that is!
It's genius! Dese NWO and Jooos guys pay theirselves! And like since they got all the serial numbers of the buckeroos they pay out, they know the miserly little smartasses who are hiding the cash in their mattresses! And then they send in the Mossad to raid those houses and "bednap" the mattresses for the cashola! Win win win win and win again! Holy friggin' Toledo!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I am?

ETA: Oops, I hadn't seen Sword of Truth's post #20 above when I posted mine and it appears he beat me to it :)

I did? ;)

[LashL]

I did? ;)

How could I have been so blind? How could I have been such a sheeple? Obviously, you just planted fake evidence of your post after the fact. OMFG11one1eleven!! ;)

[Oliver]

@Gravy: Roxdog is begging to debate with you in his show since
months. At least Roxie is not cowering behind his IP - would you
debate him in front of a camera, too?

[Horatius]

He is?

See? Now that's the stuff!

:)

[Horatius]

I am?

ETA: Oops, I hadn't seen Sword of Truth's post #20 above when I posted mine and it appears he beat me to it :)

Told you!


;)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

@Gravy: Roxdog is begging to debate with you in his show since
months. At least Roxie is not cowering behind his IP - would you
debate him in front of a camera, too?
Roxdog does not want a debate. He wants a Jerry Springer style ambush. I guaran-fekkin-tee that his podcost would have nowhere near the professionalism or decorum that Ron had on Hardfire when he and Mark took on Dylan and Jason.

[Gravy]

@Gravy: Roxdog is begging to debate with you in his show since
months. At least Roxie is not cowering behind his IP - would you
debate him in front of a camera, too?Not cowering? Roxdog has never once asked me to debate. When he posted here, every time someone would ask for evidence, he'd run away. When Dubfan was invited and agreed to be on his show, Roxdog refused to give him the contact information! It's not for nothing that we call him "Brave Sir Roxdog."

Not that I would be on his show: he's a flat-out idiot. Why promote an idiot's podcast that only has 50 listeners?

[chipmunk stew]

Not cowering? Roxdog has never once asked me to debate. When he posted here, every time someone would ask for evidence, he'd run away. When Dubfan was invited and agreed to be on his show, Roxdog refused to give him the contact information! It's not for nothing that we call him "Brave Sir Roxdog."

Not that I would be on his show: he's a flat-out idiot. Why promote an idiot's podcast that only has 50 listeners?
He once told us it sometimes averages maximum 300 downloads. He's a statistician, too.

[uk_dave]

He once told us it sometimes averages maximum 300 downloads. He's a statistician, too.


Yeah but it took him so long to perform all those downloads he never got any sleep and became a cranky, reactionary, gun loving, fascist idiot.... at least according to his mother.

[chipmunk stew]

FYI, the creator/moderator of this forum has stated his intention to be very restrained, placing minimal restrictions (http://z9.invisionfree.com/Sector_G/index.php?act=boardrules) on debate style. Potentially useful as a playground. "Meet me after school by the swingset, punk."

Killtown is there...

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Sector_G/index.php?act=idx

[ConspiRaider]

Roxdog does not want a debate. He wants a Jerry Springer style ambush. I guaran-fekkin-tee that his podcost would have nowhere near the professionalism or decorum that Ron had on Hardfire when he and Mark took on Dylan and Jason.
Agreed.

Roxdog, on another board, begged me about a half a dozen times to have a "debate" on his show. I told him basically the same thing. His show is a rigged game. A no-win scenario. Took him about six times of reading my refusals before he quit bothering me.

[chipmunk stew]

Roxdog does not want a debate. He wants a Jerry Springer style ambush. I guaran-fekkin-tee that his podcost would have nowhere near the professionalism or decorum that Ron had on Hardfire when he and Mark took on Dylan and Jason.

Agreed.

Roxdog, on another board, begged me about a half a dozen times to have a "debate" on his show. I told him basically the same thing. His show is a rigged game. A no-win scenario. Took him about six times of reading my refusals before he quit bothering me.
It's also a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad show. With a near-zero listenership. When's the last time any of you have seen anyone, CT or otherwise, link to a Roxdog show (other than Brave Sir Roxdog himself) for any reason at all? Never, right? Because the show sucks.

[fuelair]

It's all in the wrist. ;)

I suspect that with Kt it's all in the wrist - or is that off the wrist?:D

[Lurker]

He once told us it sometimes averages maximum 300 downloads. He's a statistician, too.

What is an "average maximum"?

Lurker

[chipmunk stew]

What is an "average maximum"?
Beats me. :con2: I also don't know how it "sometimes" achieves this state...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Beats me. :con2: I also don't know how it "sometimes" achieves this state...
If you were looking at trends it could make sense:
Max downloads on for any day during week 1
Min downloads on for any day during week 1
Avg dowloands per day during week 1
.
.
.
Max downloads on for any day during week 10
Min downloads on for any day during week 10
Avg dowloands per day during week 10

Then take the avg of the Max's, avg of the Min's, and avg of the Avg's.

[The Almond]

He once told us it sometimes averages maximum 300 downloads. He's a statistician, too.

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.

[Minadin]

Platypus Lightning Gyroscope

[chipmunk stew]

If you were looking at trends it could make sense:
Max downloads on for any day during week 1
Min downloads on for any day during week 1
Avg dowloands per day during week 1
.
.
.
Max downloads on for any day during week 10
Min downloads on for any day during week 10
Avg dowloands per day during week 10

Then take the avg of the Max's, avg of the Min's, and avg of the Avg's.
Yeah, but...well okay, except...true, only......fine, you're right...

Something tells me this is not what our friend had in mind, though.

[valis]

He once told us it sometimes averages maximum 300 downloads. He's a statistician, too.

Is that related to the median endpoint?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Yeah, but...well okay, except...true, only......fine, you're right...

Something tells me this is not what our friend had in mind, though.
I'm sure it's not, as he provides not context as to time and granularity of the data points.

[Horatius]

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.

I can give you five words: "at least ten or more". I see that sort of thing all the time at work.

[aggle-rithm]

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.

Jumbo shrimp cassarole?

Military intelligence theater?

Square cylindrical hemisphere?

Re-elect President Bush?

[Mercutio]

I can give you five words: "at least ten or more". I see that sort of thing all the time at work.

Worse are the sales ads: "Save up to 50% or more!"

Way to narrow it down, guys.

[Hellbound]

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.

Natural Homeopathic Remedy?

[chipmunk stew]

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.
Quality Truther Podcast?

[JimBenArm]

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.
Logical 28thKingdom Post

[Horatius]

Worse are the sales ads: "Save up to 50% or more!"

Way to narrow it down, guys.

Yeah, but mine are written by patent agents, who should understand math, not marketing droids. That makes it worse, doesn't it?

[ConspiRaider]

Sometimes average maximum.

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.
Quite a Bit

[jaydeehess]

I challenge you to find 3 words in the English language that make less sense together.

George Walker Bush

[ConspiRaider]

George Walker Bush
Human Animal Hybrid

[HyJinX]

The Truth Movement

[Minadin]

Worse are the sales ads: "Save up to 50% or more!"

Way to narrow it down, guys.


We have a mortgage refinancing commercial here that claims, "You could save up to 300, 500, even as much as a thousand dollars off your mortgage. And I guarantee it."

I'm not convinced that he's even making a specific claim you could possibly slap a guarantee on.

[chipmunk stew]

We have a mortgage refinancing commercial here that claims, "You could save up to 300, 500, even as much as a thousand dollars off your mortgage. And I guarantee it."

I'm not convinced that he's even making a specific claim you could possibly slap a guarantee on.
And who gets paid almost as much as the executives? Engineering? Production? HR? Nope. Marketing and Legal.

[jaydeehess]

"average maximum" just might fit some types of analysis (as in the average maximum temperature for Jan. 5th is.... ) but "sometimes average" ,,, nope, I can't think of a single instance where that makes any sense.

[Blackwell]

Well, if nothing else, this thread has EASILY been more entertaining than the 3 Word Story has been lately....

:boxedin:

[Oliver]

Not cowering? Roxdog has never once asked me to debate. When he posted here, every time someone would ask for evidence, he'd run away. When Dubfan was invited and agreed to be on his show, Roxdog refused to give him the contact information! It's not for nothing that we call him "Brave Sir Roxdog."

Not that I would be on his show: he's a flat-out idiot. Why promote an idiot's podcast that only has 50 listeners?

Ah, this explains a lot - i thought he has some kind of
real air radio show, not a silly, boring internet podcast. :covereyes

[chipmunk stew]

Why do they always fail to meet expectations (http://z9.invisionfree.com/Sector_G/index.php?showtopic=11)?

Topic Title: [Rule8] This [Rule8]
Topic Description: Another [Rule8] Forum

Despite assurances from Guile on the Loose Change forum that the moderation would be largely hands-off, and despite a restrictions policy that says:

All debate tactics allowed except the following:
--Libel / Defamation

two of my threads were combined (although they were separate topics) and moved (although they were relevant to the topic of Conspiracies), with no notification and no indication of moderator activity--not even the little "moved post" icon.

WHAT THE [Rule8]!

Who needs another [Rule8] conspiracy forum with meddling, amateurish moderators? What's the bloody point? Don't we have enough of those?

May this [Rule8] little forum fizzle and die.

[jhunter1163]

Don't sugarcoat it, Chipmunk. Tell them how you really feel...

[jaydeehess]

At any rate KT seems to be ignoring his own thread. There has been no activity on it since I posted two days ago.

[stateofgrace]

There is something I find partially repugnant about the garbage he spews out, irrespective of whether it is true, which it generally isn't he seems to have this following that simply drools over his every word.

KT is simply a ********tter, revelling in his moment, loving the attention he gets and is oblivious to the hurt he clearly generates.

He just bugs me.

[chipmunk stew]

Don't sugarcoat it, Chipmunk. Tell them how you really feel...
If I told them how I really felt, the internet would have died from shock.

[steve s]

We have a mortgage refinancing commercial here that claims, "You could save up to 300, 500, even as much as a thousand dollars off your mortgage. And I guarantee it."


That would be Ray "Ninety-nine ninety-nine" Vinson from American Equity Mortgage. Did you read the Riverfront Times article (http://www.riverfronttimes.com/Issues/2006-03-29/news/feature.html) about his divorce trial? Here are a few tidbits.

In February 2004 Deanna learned the true extent of Ray's drinking problem when the couple hosted the company's top-earners at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. One night Ray got very drunk, and she tried, to no avail, to persuade him to come to bed. The next morning she got a phone call from hotel security, asking her to come retrieve her husband.

"He was very intoxicated, very angry," Deanna recalled. She said she found him in handcuffs and that he'd urinated and defecated in his pants.



And according to the testimony of a company receptionist, Vinson once placed his erect penis on her shoulder following a casual conversation about the glories of drag racing

Steve S.

[A W Smith]

And according to the testimony of a company receptionist, Vinson once placed his erect penis on her shoulder following a casual conversation about the glories of drag racing



Maybe he just suffered from Priapism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priapism) :D

[LashL]

Yikes.

[Mr.D]

We have a mortgage refinancing commercial here that claims, "You could save up to 300, 500, even as much as a thousand dollars off your mortgage. And I guarantee it."

I'm not convinced that he's even making a specific claim you could possibly slap a guarantee on.

There was a loan company here running a national ad for mortgage refinancing that ran for months. The spokesman said at one point


The likelyhood of [interest rates] going up again soon is a very real possibility


I commented on that sentence to several other people and most of them needed an explaination why it made no sense. I weep for society sometimes.

[jaydeehess]

Four days now and no Clowntown.

Methinks that there is simply not enough activity on that forum, he cannot get the attention he craves there, and has abandoned it.

[Redtail]

Natural Homeopathic Remedy?

Yes, beer is good.

[JimBenArm]

Yes, beer is good.

Ah, but you see, if it was homeopathic beer, there would only be 1 milliliter of it in 10k liters of water (if that much)!

[Architect]

Ah, but you see, if it was homeopathic beer, there would only be 1 milliliter of it in 10k liters of water (if that much)!


Just like American beer, then? ;)


You just cannae get the same quality of horses over there......

[Redtail]

Ah, but you see, if it was homeopathic beer, there would only be 1 milliliter of it in 10k liters of water (if that much)!

Oops I'm sorry. I was really answering, I'm just drunk. (Championship game tonight and all.):D

[Redtail]

Just like American beer, then? ;)

You lay off our beer, we'll lay off your food.;)


You just cannae get the same quality of horses over there......

Oh... well that explains the food.:p

[Architect]

You lay off our beer, we'll lay off your food.;)




Aye, I'll bet you've never even tried a Black Pudding Supper from a chippie! :p


Scotland: Worst Heart Attack Statistics in the Western World - And Prout of It!

(sponosered by the Scottish Tourist Board)

[Big Les]

The Scots can't look at a foodstuff without wondering if it could use more batter and/or lard. What other nation on earth would deep fry a poor defenceless pizza?

[JimBenArm]

The Scots can't look at a foodstuff without wondering if it could use more batter and/or lard. What other nation on earth would deep fry a poor defenceless pizza?

Hey, some of the county fairs around here deep-fry Twinkies and candy bars!

As if this stuff wasn't artery-clogging enough!

Of course, Missouri is the second-leading state for obesity, IIRC. Gotta work on being #1 at something!

[Architect]

The Scots can't look at a foodstuff without wondering if it could use more batter and/or lard. What other nation on earth would deep fry a poor defenceless pizza?


They're absolutely disgusting and unfortunately quite real (unlike the old deep fried mars bar myth). The late, great Pete McCarthy used to do an absolutely splendid comedy routine about them. :D

It is a major health problem, there's no doubt about it though.

When I was in hospital the second time, on Xmas day, they brought in a diabetic guy with severe mobility problems and put him in the bed next to me. But the 27th I was ready to smother him. Anyway, he always had 2 bottles of Irn Bru and a box of Roses. Every day. Then complained that it was his genes. :boggled:



ETA: Our American cousins will be wondering who the hell would deep fry a pizza, what's a Mars bar, and is Irn Bru medicinal? Welcome to Scotland, lads....

[JimBenArm]

ETA: Our American cousins will be wondering who the hell would deep fry a pizza, what's a Mars bar, and is Irn Bru medicinal? Welcome to Scotland, lads....

Well, I don't know about the others, but we do have Mars bars!

[Architect]

Well, I don't know about the others, but we do have Mars bars!

But you're unfamiliar with Irn Bru?!?! Watch these. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHP3hP_0Pg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjWiT-zmvs&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pFodgI3tnA


Scotland is the only Western country where Coke is not the best selling carbonated soft drink, believe it or not. :eek:

[maccy]

There's a chip shop in Leeds that does deep-fried Mars Bars.

I'm sure I've seen them advertised in Edinburgh as well.

[MortFurd]

[BAye, I'll bet you've never even tried a Black Pudding Supper from a chippie![/B] :p


Scotland: Worst Heart Attack Statistics in the Western World - And Prout of It!

(sponosered by the Scottish Tourist Board)

Everytime I hear "Black Pudding," I'm reminded of the Goodies.

The three Goodies standing around a vat of "stuff what goes into black pudding."

Graeme looks down at a list of ingredients, grimaces, and says "Ohhh, poor little Thomas kittens."

Ecky Thump!

[eddyk]

I live 200 Miles From Scotland, and have never been there.


Although, i'm sure it's not much different from where I live now...it's all Britain.

[jaydeehess]

The Scots can't look at a foodstuff without wondering if it could use more batter and/or lard. What other nation on earth would deep fry a poor defenceless pizza?

Well, the Americans do have "chicken fried steak" and the French Canadians have Poutine (fried potatoes with gravy and melted cheese curd)

[Guile]

chippy, not sure if you got my PM, so when you are ready to debate Killtown, let me know, he's waiting/already started.

[chippy]

chippy, not sure if you got my PM, so when you are ready to debate Killtown, let me know, he's waiting/already started.

I'm ready. Let's do this.

[Big Les]

There's a chip shop in Leeds that does deep-fried Mars Bars.

I'm sure I've seen them advertised in Edinburgh as well.

Yes, sorry Architect (specifically it's your arteries I should apologise to), but deep fried Mars bars do exist. I have a feeling that they came about through ostension (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-ostension.htm) though.

Deep fried pizza? Sorry. Calzone - by god yes. Any visitors to Edinburgh must visit La Favorita (http://www.la-favorita.com/). Best pizza I've had outside Italy.

[jaydeehess]

I'm ready. Let's do this.

Wow, Killtown's heart really isn't into this it seems. He has failed to respond to SofG and I and in your debate thread nothing is happening either.

I want to see KT embarass himself and since I was banned at LC this is my chance.:D