Truthmove.org sees through Gravy

[WilliamSeger]

From http://www.truthmove.org/

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/302352008_7ba28ef6fe_m.jpg

Truthmove.org - 11/18/06 - Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/truthmove/302352008/) Our local, incredibly committed 9/11 truth debunker faces random citizens who don't buy his intentions. Sure, not all of our facts are equally relevant, or sourced. But our intentions are genuine. Mark says he's about the facts, but people see through that and recognize what he is trying to do.

They know what you're trying to do with all those facts, Gravy -- and they ain't buyin' it!

[chippy]

I didn't know that you had to buy common sense. Interesting.

[WilliamSeger]

I didn't know that you had to buy common sense. Interesting.

Maybe Gravy should give them a discount.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I had a fact once. It was small, but shiny.

I put it in my keepsake box next to my clue.

[firecoins]

I thought the truth set you free! Apparently it sets you free from reality!

[defaultdotxbe]

they can see trhough gravy? must be thin

mine always comes out lumpy

[Spindrift]

Gravy,

It was a good run, but you've been unmasked.

Did you think you could get away with blatantly factual statements and not eventually being called on it?

Who do you think you are to actually research topics, when everyone knows that a fleeting acquaintance with a topic in high school gives one all they need to know?

Enough is enough, just cease and desist with this incessant truth-telling and start using irrelevant facts and make sure you never ever source anything.

[A W Smith]

seems they have a credibility problem

Most of the tourists didn't really know what to make of us, or ignored us altogether


We've really be wondering where all our flyers end up. What percentage not in the trash?

[Pardalis]

I wish I could see through Childlike Empress.

[kookbreaker]

they can see trhough gravy? must be thin

mine always comes out lumpy

Nah. Troofers always use Crystal Gravy! (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93bcrystalgravy.phtml)

[ConspiRaider]

Gotta be an off day for Gravy, he's only taking on 4 twoofers simultaneously...

[Zep]

Umm, to me, that picture shows some guys asking one guy for directions, which he is clearly giving them. However the people asking don't seem to want to accept the information provided, even though it is clearly in front of their faces. ;)

Seriously, WilliamSeger, you post a pic of a few guys arguing in the street, and claim that somehow disproves all of Gravy's well-made and as-yet uncracked points that have debunked the hell out of the Twoofers??

Look, I'll send you one of our dollar coins. I know it isn't worth as much as a US dollar, but it should buy you more clue than you've got now.

[JamesB]

From http://www.truthmove.org/

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/302352008_7ba28ef6fe_m.jpg


They know what you're trying to do with all those facts, Gravy -- and they ain't buyin' it!

Damn you Gravy.... and your facts!

[CHF]

Oh no, a bunch of punk kids don't wanna listen to Gravy.

I'm sure he's devestated.

[WilliamSeger]

Seriously, WilliamSeger, you post a pic of a few guys arguing in the street, and claim that somehow disproves all of Gravy's well-made and as-yet uncracked points that have debunked the hell out of the Twoofers??

Look, I'll send you one of our dollar coins. I know it isn't worth as much as a US dollar, but it should buy you more clue than you've got now.

Hey, thanks! ClueMart is having a two-for-one sale, so I'll send one back to ya! :D

[Dog Town]

Why is the guy on the right, clutching a remote control?

[DarkMagician]

So many clues, not enough space to put them...

[ConspiRaider]

Why is the guy on the right, clutching a remote control?
Gravy's boots are programmed to kick a twoofer in the caboose every 5 seconds and this guy's trying to mute them...

[defaultdotxbe]

So many clues, not enough space to put them...
i think this is probably the most unseeming yet dirtiest thing ive ever heard

[jaydeehess]

I had a raging clue on the weekend and the wife showed me her nice tight facts and after a while we arrived at a conclusion.

I think that the twoofers keep their clues and facts in their hands too much.

[DarkMagician]

i think this is probably the most unseeming yet dirtiest thing ive ever heard

Thanks, I try.

[Free Thinkr]

From http://www.truthmove.org/

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/302352008_7ba28ef6fe_m.jpg


They know what you're trying to do with all those facts, Gravy -- and they ain't buyin' it!
LOL. Gravy, you sneaky fact-using bastard! Every good person knows you're supposed to pull theories out of your hind quarters with no regard whatever for the victims of 9/11. They're on to you and fact-intensive snakes everywhere!

[R.Mackey]

They're on to you and fact-intensive snakes everywhere!

"Archaeology is the search ... for ... FACT. Not TRUTH. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."

"Snakes... why do they have to be snakes..!" -Henry "Indiana" Jones, Jr.

:cool:

[Gravy]

Oh no, a bunch of punk kids don't wanna listen to Gravy.

I'm sure he's devestated.Those are not "random citizens," by the way. The guy on the right, Charlie, brings a television set to ground zero to show 6.5 seconds of WTC 7 falling, and the other two are semi-regular arguers for the twoof.

TruthMove.org announced their new website on 911blogger the other day. Lots of people said it looked great. This was my reply:

I agree. The site looks good. Unfortunately the content is amateurishly inaccurate. You seem to have simply thrown the same old stuff together without checking any facts. Every part of your "Evidence" section contains numerous egregious errors and falsehoods.

This is your "truth?" The same b.s. in a different package? Error after error after error?

Well, I give you credit for at least believing that there were real hijackers who wanted to kill us.

You guys are big on psychology. At Ground Zero you filmed me for a while, then edited to film to show me telling people that I HAD evidence, but you deleted all the parts in which I actually GAVE the evidence. What does that say about your approach to the "truth?"

After observing and listening to me for a while, you criticized my approach – a valid criticism. When people lie egregiously at Ground Zero, fail to listen to corrections, and say they're proud of their ignorance, I'm not shy about letting them know it. But when I asked all three of you to name one thing I had said that was wrong, you couldn't. Please think about that.
Here are brief comments on some of the site content.

Today's headline is a quote from Christian fundamentalist Pat Robertson:

Robertson predicts ‘mass killing’

“I’m not necessarily saying it’s going to be nuclear,” he said during his news-and-talk television show “The 700 Club” on the Christian Broadcasting Network. “The Lord didn’t say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that.”

Okay, what's that doing on a site that's supposedly devoted to the truth? Should I expect an Alex Jones quote tomorrow? Does Pat Robertson have a record of accurate predictions? You're into psychology. Tell us why your headline is a loon making claims of mass killing, "something like" "nuclear."

In your 9/11 section, you list

Eleven pieces of evidence you should know about:
First of all, these are eleven claims. You do link to an evidence section, but I bring this up because much of what I do is point out how badly people in the truth movement blur the line – and sometimes aren't aware of the line at all – between claims, questions, evidence, and facts.

For over an hour, NORAD air defense failed to intercept any of the hijacked aircraft. Fighter jets are commonly “scrambled” and reach out-of-contact or off-course aircraft within 10-20 minutes.

You don't mention that the most notice NORAD had of any of th flights was 9 minutes. Two of the flights they didn't know about until after they had crashed. Please make that distinction. I know that you don't want to be misleading, right?

Please provide your evidence that NORAD, prior to 9/11 "routinely reached out of contact or off course aircraft within 10-20 minutes. The only NORAD interception of such an aircraft over the CONUS (not an offshore ADIZ intercept) in the decade prior to 9/11 that I'm aware of is of Payne Stewart's plane, which took 81 minutes to reach. If you are not aware of others, please make that correction. And again, NORAD had no chance to intercept the planes on 9/11 because they didn't know where they were.

Several war games were being conducted on 9/11, including mock-hijackings and plane crashes.

This must be corrected. NEADS, which was responsible for the air defense of the northeast, was not running any exercises on 9/11. There was an exercise scheduled at 9:00, but it was canceled when the report of flight 11 came in.

There were no hijacking drills conducted anywhere by NORAD anywhere in the U.S. or Canada on 9/11. None. Please do your homework and make that correction.

The "plane crash" drill you refer to was not a "war game." It was a casualty and disaster-preparedness drill involving an imagined accidental crash of a small plane. Please make that correction. All this information is readily available to the public.

There were multiple, specific warnings from foreign governments of impending attacks including potential targets and the names of several alleged 9/11 hijackers.

Were there "multiple, specific warnings" about potential attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, (and other D.C. targets) that consisted of actionable intelligence? Credible threats? Warnings of imminent attacks using aircraft? Not that I've seen.

As the 9/11 commission report points out, the U.S. did miss clues, such as doctored passports. We even gave a visa to KSM, although he was on the terrorist watch list (he didn't enter the US). If you want to show other negligence, though, you have to put any "warnings" into context with all the other intelligence being processed at the time. I don't excuse screw-ups. Neither do I excuse taking things out of context to try to support a claim.

Nearly every member of the 9/11 Commission had a major conflict of interest.
You'll need to define "conflict of interest," then provide evidence that such conflicts actually existed, rather than "looking funny" on paper. Remember, most of the investigating was done by law enforcement and intelligence agencies long before the commission was formed. After the commission was formed, most of the investigating was done by the commission staffers, not by the appointed members. You link to a site that lists the commissioners and their alleged conflicts, some of which consist solely of serving on House and Senate intelligence committees. Yeah, we wouldn't want people with that kind of experience involved in...an intelligence investigation. And Fred Fielder was "deep throat?" How many deep throats were there?

The Commission Report ommitted [sic] and altered evidence that contradicted the official story.
You'll need to show that what you define as omissions are relevant and would have affected the outcome of the investigation. Mentioning Griffin's list won't do. Most of his "115" are laughably irrelevant or outright false. What evidence was altered?

Insider trading (put options on American, United and other 9/11-affected companies) was never properly investigated. The SEC could trace who made these trades.
Never properly investigated? According to whom? There was a huge investigation into these claims, and no suspicious activity was found at all. I recommend http://www.911myths.com/html/put_options.html for a brief examination of these issues. From the 9/11 commission report:

"A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10...

Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10th was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades."
Please make that correction.

The deep involvement of Pakistani Intelligence (ISI) was never officially acknowledged or investigated.
First, you'll have to prove ANY involvement of the ISI, much less "deep involvement." No one has done so. Please make that correction. How do you know the claims weren't investigated?

Some prominent travelers such as San Francisco mayor Willie Brown and top Pentagon officials were warned not to fly on 9/11. Who warned them? What did they know?
From 9/11myths:

"Brown's warning: In the five years since 9/11, the question of how then-San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown got a warning about flying that day continues to live on in the blogosphere -- and conspiracy theories abound.
"The latest version is that Condoleezza Rice alerted me personally,'' Brown said this week. "It's all part of the ongoing myth."

The "myth" has its origins in the night before the attacks, when Brown called "my security people at the airport'' to check on his flight to New York the next morning.

What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling.

Willie being Willie, he paid no attention -- and was actually waiting for his ride to the airport when he turned on the TV and, like millions of other Americans, watched as the World Trade Center crumbled.

Exactly how the warning popped up remains a mystery to this day.
It might have had something to do with a little-noticed State Department memo issued a week before that went out in a routine press briefing -- and that former Secretary of State George Shultz himself received -- warning that Americans may be the target of an attack from extremist groups "with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."

The warning, however, dealt primarily with U.S. military bases in Japan and South Korea -- clearly the wrong targets."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/13/BAGG9L4KI81.... (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/13/BAGG9L4KI81.DTL)

On the Pentagon officials:
http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_officials.html

Please make those changes.

Until 9/11/01, no steel frame building had ever collapsed due to fire.

Absolutely false. See pages 72-77 of my paper 'WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement' http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc (.doc file) or http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf
Then please make the correction.

I shouldn't have to state this, but WTC 1, 2, and 7 were unusual buildings that sustained unusual damage and fires. If you want to make claims about them, you need to address what happened to THOSE buildings.

With only moderate fires and no major structural damage, WTC Building 7 imploded at 5pm into a tidy pile of rubble.

Outrageously false. See the entire paper listed above, and make the corrections. Why don't you give a damn?

The collapse of the towers and WTC 7 all exhibited characteristics of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

Not according to the experts on the scene, not according to the audiovisual and seismic recording devices, and not according to all the investigators. There is absolutely zero evidence for this contention. See the NIST report, and Protec's paper "A critical analysis of the collapse od WTC towers 1, 2, and 7 From an Explosives and Conventional Demolitional Industry viewpoint. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

Several FBI investigations which could have uncovered the 9/11 plot were squashed and sabotaged by key FBI officials.

The "19 terrorists" list turned over by Mossad? One story in Die Zeit that was picked up by other papers. Was this ever confirmed?

Robert Wright, who worked during the Clinton Administration, complained that investigations were prematurely shut down. What's your suggestion?

You don't mention her by name, but Colleen Rowley referred to a climate of hesitancy among FBI officials in the wake of disasters such as Waco and Ruby Ridge. She does not claim that bad decisions fostered by this climate were the result of an attempt not to investigate terrorism.

In September, 2000, Neo-Con think tank, “Project for the New American Century” (PNAC) acknowledged that their geostrategic goals to control the Middle-East would be long and difficult to achieve “absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.” PNAC members included Bush Administration insiders such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby and Perle.

I'm no fan of Neo-Cons, but if you think that's what the PNAC report says, you clearly haven't read it. It's not very long. Please read it and make your corrections.

There are many historical precedents of “false flag” and state sponsored terrorism. Operation Northwoods was a top secret U.S. plan in the 1960s to carry out a campaign of terror, including blowing up airplanes, and blame it on Cuba as a pretext to invade and overthrow Castro.

You're using Northwoods, a memo of which part was approved by the Joint Chiefs, and which did NOT call for the killing of U.S. civilians, and which was summarily rejected by the government, as an example that the government would kill thousands of its own people? Please explain your logic. Better yet, just think about it and make the corrections. At bare minimum, don't imply that Northwoods was a plan to murder Americans, and note that it was neither conceived, promoted nor approved by the civilian administration.

Is Northwoods, then, your best example of the USG 's supposed will to attack its own people? Is that it? Really?

I didn't look at much more of your site, but I did notice under "Assassinations" a comment that you think the crash of Paul Wellstone's plane was suspicious. It always baffles me that the same people who clamor that the NTSB should have been more involved in the 9/11 investigations, say that the NTSB investigation of Wellstone's crash is a sham.

You have some good flickr photos, but some of the captions are very inaccurate.

Finally, you said about me, "We've heard his story now, and we just don't get it."

It's very simple: I don't like it when people lie about 9/11, when they exonerate the terrorists, falsely accuse others of mass-murder, say the FDNY was in on it and fail to read any of the reports they claim to dispute.

I really don't like it when they do that at Ground Zero. Got it?

I'll check in with you in a week to see how you're progressing with your research and corrections. You're welcome to contact me at nyctours@gmail.com

[Pardalis]

Those are not "random citizens," by the way. The guy on the right, Charlie, brings a television set to ground zero to show 6.5 seconds of WTC 7 falling, and the other two are semi-regular arguers for the twoof.

OMG, they really are trolls! :eye-poppi

[Architect]

Until 9/11/01, no steel frame building had ever collapsed due to fire.


...and the risk posed by fire to steel has been recognised worldwide since the days of Louis Sullivan.

[ConspiRaider]

"Archaeology is the search ... for ... FACT. Not TRUTH. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."

"Snakes... why do they have to be snakes..!" -Henry "Indiana" Jones, Jr.

:cool:
"Asps, Indy. Very dangerous. You go first."

"It's not the years - it's the mileage."

"Indiana. You and I are merely passing through history. This - this IS history."

"Take this. Wave it at anything that slithers!"

[ConspiRaider]

Those are not "random citizens," by the way. The guy on the right, Charlie, brings a television set to ground zero to show 6.5 seconds of WTC 7 falling, and the other two are semi-regular arguers for the twoof.

TruthMove.org announced their new website on 911blogger the other day. Lots of people said it looked great. This was my reply:
Thanks for that big quoted response, Gravy. As usual - impeccable stuff. Twoofers won't care - but twoofers aren't the only audience.

[Donal]

"GET OFF MY PLANE!"



Oh, wait a second.

[Psiload]

Why is the guy on the right, clutching a remote control?

He likes to pretend it's his tricorder. He uses it to scan for pulverized invisicrete(tm).

[KingMerv00]

I don't get it. What is gravy really trying to do?

[ConspiRaider]

"GET OFF MY PLANE!"

Oh, wait a second.
Loved it! And I was actually IN that flick, as a background Secret Service guy, perteckting Our Hero President on Air Force One!

Two night shoots, back to back. Five in the afternoon to seven in the morning the next day, out at LAX. Threw off my sleeping cycle for several weeks...

[uk_dave]

I don't get it. What is gravy really trying to do?

Everything Big Owl tells him to.

:D

[brodski]

Loved it! And I was actually IN that flick, as a background Secret Service guy, perteckting Our Hero President on Air Force One!

Two night shoots, back to back. Five in the afternoon to seven in the morning the next day, out at LAX. Threw off my sleeping cycle for several weeks...

Oh yeah, you where just "playing" a Secret Service Guy, :rolleyes:
like we would believe that.
We know who your paymasters are, SHILL!

[ConspiRaider]

Oh yeah, you were just "playing" a Secret Service Guy, :rolleyes:
like we would believe that.
We know who your paymasters are, SHILL!
Darn it!

You Brits are just a bit too savvy, would you mind stopping that please? And give us colonials a break.

How did you figger out the Hollywood - NWO connection so QUICKLY?!? I'm calling my agent, that's it, I've had enough...

[roger]

What kind of sneaky bastard uses facts to prove an argument? :mad:

Why, you could prove anything that's even remotely true.

[Spins]

What kind of sneaky bastard uses facts to prove an argument? :mad:

Why, you could prove anything that's even remotely true.:D :D :D

[Trigood]

I don't get it. What is gravy really trying to do?
Cover my mashed potatoes and make them taste better?

[Calcas]

Did you notice that all three of those guys are wearing one of THESE???

http://images.slboutique.com/images/items/23546_1.jpg

[uk_dave]

Did you notice that all three of those guys are wearing one of THESE???

http://images.slboutique.com/images/items/23546_1.jpg

We really must increase the price of those puppies.

[negativ]

We really must increase the price of those puppies.

Did we ever slip them the shipment of intentionally incorrect English-to-Hungarian phrase translation decoder rings? Or were they genuinely and knowingly complaining about their hovercraft being full of eels?

[KingMerv00]

Did you notice that all three of those guys are wearing one of THESE???

http://images.slboutique.com/images/items/23546_1.jpg

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

[uk_dave]

Did we ever slip them the shipment of intentionally incorrect English-to-Hungarian phrase translation decoder rings? Or were they genuinely and knowingly complaining about their hovercraft being full of eels?

No that was an intentional one... cheney thought it up for last years bohemian grove cheese and virgin bash.

oh how we laughed...though the hungarian ambassador was less amused...especially when we filled his hovercraft with eels.

who says the NWO can't be fun? lol

.......ahhh..... but seriously.... who does say that? :mad:

[chipmunk stew]

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
Of course, what Ralphie failed to discover is that if he had followed Little Orphan Annie's orders, he would have opened the can of Ovaltine to discover a key, a credit card, a passport, and a self-destructing tape recorder detailing his mission. Unfortunately, that moment was merely the birth of a skeptical consumer, not an international super-spy.

[Architect]

Darn it!

You Brits are just a bit too savvy, would you mind stopping that please? And give us colonials a break.

How did you figger out the Hollywood - NWO connection so QUICKLY?!? I'm calling my agent, that's it, I've had enough...


No, I think he's actually Joey Tribbiani.........

[Fnord]

There's something familiar about those three ... didn't I see them on the corner preaching their respective 911 gospels to no-one in particular, and isn't that a Chic Trak the middle guy is holding?

The religionists are everywhere!

[rikzilla]

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Damn man! :big:

http://www.redriderleglamps.com/images/products/leg_lamp_50_in_deluxe/Delux-both-lit-small.jpg

I'll leave a light on for ya!

-z

[Trigood]

Entire slide show (go thru it quickly or you'll get terrifically bored -- but click on any one you want to stop and view with caption):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/truthmove/show/

These people are so pathetic. Talking about others being "sympathetic to their cause" and worrying about putting out more flyers next time. As if one could sell "the truth" like soap powder.

Oh geez we live in a straaaaange world.

If one went to GZ on, say, a Wed. afternoon, would one be likely to encounter these loons? I'm coming there and I need to know if I should prepare myself... Tks....

[Fnord]

These people are so pathetic. Talking about others being "sympathetic to their cause" and worrying about putting out more flyers next time. As if one could sell "the truth" like soap powder.

Oh geez we live in a straaaaange world.

If one went to GZ on, say, a Wed. afternoon, would one be likely to encounter these loons? I'm coming there and I need to know if I should prepare myself... Tks....

Well, usually the Jehovah's Witnesses show up on Saturday, and the Fundie Evangelists on Sunday afternoon, but the Mormons will show up almost any time of the week...

:eye-poppi

Oops! Sorry! Wrong Thread...

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

[Trigood]

Well, usually the Jehovah's Witnesses show up on Saturday, and the Fundie Evangelists on Sunday afternoon, but the Mormons will show up almost any time of the week...

:eye-poppi

Oops! Sorry! Wrong Thread...
Not necessarily, Fnord, not necessarily. :)

[Gravy]

If one went to GZ on, say, a Wed. afternoon, would one be likely to encounter these loons? I'm coming there and I need to know if I should prepare myself... Tks....No, they're just there on Saturday afternoons.

[Architect]

I can think of better things to do of a Saturday, that's for sure.......

[LashL]

Great work as always, Gravy.

I think that what I find most annoying is that the troofers are just such blatant liars. It is as though they will say anything at all without even a nanosecond's thought for the actual truth. :mad:

[Trigood]

No, they're just there on Saturday afternoons.
Thanks Gravy. That's good to know (and a relief!).

If I want to go down on a weekday afternoon (or morning) and get a tour of Ground Zero. I saw some TV show recently that talked about how some company had set up tours, even though the memorial isn't finished yet. The impetus seemed to be partly from the survivors, as it seemed that a lot of the tours were being done by survivors of victims, as sort of a tribute to their loved ones. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name of the tour company. I would love to go on such a tour. I wonder if anyone know more about these tours, or who I could contact to find out more? I've tried to google it and come up empty. Thanks!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Thanks Gravy. That's good to know (and a relief!).

If I want to go down on a weekday afternoon (or morning) and get a tour of Ground Zero. I saw some TV show recently that talked about how some company had set up tours, even though the memorial isn't finished yet. The impetus seemed to be partly from the survivors, as it seemed that a lot of the tours were being done by survivors of victims, as sort of a tribute to their loved ones. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name of the tour company. I would love to go on such a tour. I wonder if anyone know more about these tours, or who I could contact to find out more? I've tried to google it and come up empty. Thanks!
:boxedin: well, Gravy is a tourguide:boxedin:

[uk_dave]

I saw some TV show recently that talked about how some company had set up tours, even though the memorial isn't finished yet. The impetus seemed to be partly from the survivors, as it seemed that a lot of the tours were being done by survivors of victims, as sort of a tribute to their loved ones. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name of the tour company. I would love to go on such a tour. I wonder if anyone know more about these tours, or who I could contact to find out more? I've tried to google it and come up empty. Thanks!

I think that was on the PBS 'rebuilding america' second part, that was linked to here a few weeks back.

[Oliver]

I think that was on the PBS 'rebuilding america' second part, that was linked to here a few weeks back.

It´s here: :)
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=9998&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vid=187&epi=0&typ=0

[Architect]

Lads, talking of seeing "right through" Gravy, U.S. Marshals just finished on UK Channel 5 and the Snipes character was called...

MARK ROBERTS!!!!



He must be a government plant. It's only common sense! :p




Mark if you read this, just kiddin big man, dinnae hit me, damn, ouch, argh......

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Lads, talking of seeing "right through" Gravy, U.S. Marshals just finished on UK Channel 5 and the Snipes character was called...

MARK ROBERTS!!!!



He must be a government plant. It's only common sense! :p




Mark if you read this, just kiddin big man, dinnae hit me, damn, ouch, argh......
Heh, good catch

Wesley Snipes (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000648/).... Mark J. Sheridan/Warren/Roberts http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120873/

[Architect]

AND he escapes at the end of the film!



Obviously they changed the character just enough to protect Gravy's identity. Snipes isn't nearly as big, for a start.

[DarkMagician]

Lads, talking of seeing "right through" Gravy, U.S. Marshals just finished on UK Channel 5 and the Snipes character was called...

MARK ROBERTS!!!!



He must be a government plant. It's only common sense! :p




Mark if you read this, just kiddin big man, dinnae hit me, damn, ouch, argh......So Gravy's really black? Wow, the NWO must've pulled off a really good Michael Jackson.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So Gravy's really black? Wow, the NWO must've pulled off a really good Michael Jackson.
Naw, casting director just knew that using DiNiro would be too obvious.

[NoZed Avenger]

Lads, talking of seeing "right through" Gravy, U.S. Marshals just finished on UK Channel 5 and the Snipes character was called...

MARK ROBERTS!!!!




But suspiciously, NO co-star refers to him as "Binglybert Slaptiback."


Hmmm.

[Architect]

Well, not twice anyway

[kookbreaker]

Why is the guy on the right, clutching a remote control?

Think Chauncey Gardener, without the brainpower.