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8den

15th March 2007, 06:41 AM

The Broo Ha Ha over the RTE cancellation of Loose Change continues. Theres an article in the music magazine Hot Press over it. They even interviewed Dylan, and it's a fecking gem.

However, the filmmakers have now secured financial backing to secure a third version of the film. Avery says they felt a new version was needed to rectify inaccuracies and to include new material to back-up their contentious theories. "The plan is to have the movie done and in theatres by the summer," Avery told Hot Press "so we don’t compete with Spiderman 3.1 The Final Cut is exactly that – the final cut. I’m done making 9/11 films. I want to punish those responsible and move on with my life."2

1. Wheres the hysterical laughter smiley.

2. Looks like Do over is getting fed up. Dylan sweetheart, if, if you could prove your theories, then this is your life for the rest of your life as you become the greatest journalist ever, and become a key witness in the trial of the millenium. If you want to move on with your life chuck the laptop and look in the mirror and repeat after me "Do you want fries with that" Over and over and over again.

The Doc

15th March 2007, 07:09 AM

Wait!

Does Dylan actually think LC:FC will get him some big director deal of some sort? Make him the big film maker he's always wanted to be?

I'm sorry but that's just hilarious!

The Demon's Head

15th March 2007, 01:39 PM

Wait!

Does Dylan actually think LC:FC will get him some big director deal of some sort? Make him the big film maker he's always wanted to be?

I'm sorry but that's just hilarious!

That must be Dylan's motive to get to stardom. He created a film that was full of lies and hoped that would lead him to be a superstar director.

8den

15th March 2007, 06:14 PM

That must be Dylan's motive to get to stardom. He created a film that was full of lies and hoped that would lead him to be a superstar director.

Maybe he's hoping to inherit Uwe Bol's .

Seriously this comment just emphasis' dylan's capacity for self delusion. He really does think LC:FC will vindicate himself and six months later he'll be in prep for something like "the Watchman".

Hey dylan a few quick points.

A few talking heads iv's doesn't qualify yourself as a someone who understands cinematography.

If loose changes proves one thing it's that you are unable to understand narrative structure.

A Hack internet movie isn't going to ensure hollywood success.

The Demon's Head

15th March 2007, 06:22 PM

Maybe he's hoping to inherit Uwe Bol's .

Seriously this comment just emphasis' dylan's capacity for self delusion. He really does think LC:FC will vindicate himself and six months later he'll be in prep for something like "the Watchman".

Hey dylan a few quick points.

A few talking heads iv's doesn't qualify yourself as a someone who understands cinematography.

If loose changes proves one thing it's that you are unable to understand narrative structure.

A Hack internet movie isn't going to ensure hollywood success.

If anything, the final edition will still have the troofers thinking of Dylan as their hero. Nothing more than that.

The Silver Shadow

15th March 2007, 06:48 PM

it'll have the truthers asking questions as to why Dylan is not a bigtime Hollywood director and then demanding answers when they are told that he is just not a good film director...

negativ

15th March 2007, 07:33 PM

it'll have the truthers asking questions as to why Dylan is not a bigtime Hollywood director and then demanding answers when they are told that he is just not a good film director...

Obviously the Hollywood Joo powerbrokers like Geffen, Spielberg, & Friends will stop at nothing to keep the evil Zionist NWO machinery in motion...

Mobyseven

15th March 2007, 11:54 PM

A novel approach to debating at LC... (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5126&st=50&#entry12701276)

I've decided to translate one of the arguments being put forth into a recognisable argument form - and it turns out to be affirming the consequent.

Maybe this will work somehow? It's pretty hard to argue against solid logic...

Anyone who checks that out and finds an error in what I've said, please correct me ASAP by the way! Last thing I need after I put the work into that explanation is a gloating CTer...

Comsat Angel

16th March 2007, 01:40 AM

The Broo Ha Ha over the RTE cancellation of Loose Change continues. Theres an article in the music magazine Hot Press over it. They even interviewed Dylan, and it's a fecking gem.

1. Wheres the hysterical laughter smiley.

2. Looks like Do over is getting fed up. Dylan sweetheart, if, if you could prove your theories, then this is your life for the rest of your life as you become the greatest journalist ever, and become a key witness in the trial of the millenium. If you want to move on with your life chuck the laptop and look in the mirror and repeat after me "Do you want fries with that" Over and over and over again.

That's cruel but funny. And accurate!
I see the LCFC release date keeps slipping - September 06, then March 07, now Summer 07 - hmm, could anything possibly be wrong there, I wonder?
(NB Over here in the UK we call it a brou haha)

CptColumbo

16th March 2007, 10:21 AM

That's cruel but funny. And accurate!
I see the LCFC release date keeps slipping - September 06, then March 07, now Summer 07 - hmm, could anything possibly be wrong there, I wonder?
(NB Over here in the UK we call it a brou haha)

Around here we call it a buggaboo. Down south they call it a hoot-nanny.

Minadin

16th March 2007, 10:51 AM

Horatius

16th March 2007, 11:34 AM

Man, there was this great new poster named RAMS over in the skeptics area of LCF yesterday,

You might want to visit:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=77090

RAMS

16th March 2007, 11:49 AM

Man, there was this great new poster named RAMS over in the skeptics area of LCF yesterday, but today all of this posts and the thread(s) he started and pretty much any evidence that he existed at all, have vanished. (Except for a reply by 28K to a now non-existant thread)

Thanks for this report, Minadin. Excellent. I hacked LC forum with Apple's Open Transport under OS X and yes, you are absolutely correct. My posts replies, etc, ---All gone. Best compliment to the threat of truth is censorship.

The bane of cultist-facist is the first victim of truth is silence or censorship, defamation, then isolation. Finally, denial.

Because of my degrees in failure (3) and being involved with NASA since 1981 (before and after being art boy stuff) I know failure and know it in structures as well. I posted rebuttals at LC based on math and fact and visual analysis in each and every thread I could find over there, knowing possibly my time there would be limited (3 days).

Once wind of my dissent was known they began the personal attacks and assaults and lies and so on, and not once did they consult NASA or the like.

I feel they (LC-911 Conspiracy cultists) are dangerous. I feel also, like the UFO movement which we and I systemically attempted to dismantle through several means online starting with Art Bell, are going to further fuel the unwashed masses into believing the grand lie of all time: that we killed our own on 911.

It must be stopped. Truly.

And the issue is nation Islam, not our own, least of such our Government. Dealt too long with government and know its flaws to ever target them on something like 911. Negligence, yes. Conspiracy, no. (Example: STS-51L, Challenger, STS-107, Columbia)

Islam is the issue. Nothing else, by its very demonic mantra, we are dead, lest we get our collective heads out of our asses and do something akin to Japan during the end of WW2.

Thank you so much for this information and taking the time to share this here, amongst the living..........

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
behold the rage dot com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

T.A.M.

16th March 2007, 12:06 PM

Thanks for this report, Minadin. Excellent. I hacked LC forum with Apple's Open Transport under OS X and yes, you are absolutely correct. My posts replies, etc, ---All gone. Best compliment to the threat of truth is censorship.

The bane of cultist-facist is the first victim of truth is silence or censorship, defamation, then isolation. Finally, denial.

Because of my degrees in failure (3) and being involved with NASA since 1981 (before and after being art boy stuff) I know failure and know it in structures as well. I posted rebuttals at LC based on math and fact and visual analysis in each and every thread I could find over there, knowing possibly my time there would be limited (3 days).

Once wind of my dissent was known they began the personal attacks and assaults and lies and so on, and not once did they consult NASA or the like.

I feel they (LC-911 Conspiracy cultists) are dangerous. I feel also, like the UFO movement which we and I systemically attempted to dismantle through several means online starting with Art Bell, are going to further fuel the unwashed masses into believing the grand lie of all time: that we killed our own on 911.

It must be stopped. Truly.

And the issue is nation Islam, not our own, least of such our Government. Dealt too long with government and know its flaws to ever target them on something like 911. Negligence, yes. Conspiracy, no. (Example: STS-51L, Challenger, STS-107, Columbia)

Islam is the issue. Nothing else, by its very demonic mantra, we are dead, lest we get our collective heads out of our asses and do something akin to Japan during the end of WW2.

Thank you so much for this information and taking the time to share this here, amongst the living..........

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
behold the rage dot com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

As I mentioned in another thread, welcome to the Forum RAMS. I would make one comment in conflict with one part of your post. IMO it is the RADICAL, EXTREME factions of Islam, not all of the religion, that is the problem.

Welcome aboard.

TAM:)

beachnut

16th March 2007, 12:18 PM

Threads always vanish over at LCF, and the same is true over at PFTF. http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth (http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth)

If you want to see something you have done at LCF or PFTF, you have to save it. The real insanely dumb stuff comes after your thread is gone. 28thKingdumb posts like he is a terrorist; but can any terrorist be as dumb as 28th. But the top idiot posts come from some dolt called beached! He actually agrees or supports the insanity of 28thKingdumb who has never made any point, or offered any facts about 9/11. Beached record and 28th record for presenting facts continues with a perfect zero.

Beached and 28th have to be the only people in the history of this earth to have undefined lower intelligence levels. If anyone needs to study people who have terminal stupidity, sign up at PFTF or visit the stronghold of stupidity at LCF. I would try to grade these guys but to grade them may require a whole new science branch in education and evaluation not yet invented.

Blind lemmings following idiots who lie and call themselves a "truth movement". Ironic names, for real dumb group of people. Don't be fooled, when a truther changes the subject it is due to lack of facts, intelligence, and he forgot what the heck you were talking about in the first place. For a group to still tell lies after 5 years proves how dumb they are. You would expect if they were real patriots they would take some engineering courses and get PhDs, BS degrees, MS degrees and save us all from our evil government forever.

The trouble is if they all went to school and learned how to think the only vaporization taking place in the truth movement would be itself. No more 9/11 truth movement idiots running around.

RAMS

16th March 2007, 12:39 PM

As I mentioned in another thread, welcome to the Forum RAMS. I would make one comment in conflict with one part of your post. IMO it is the RADICAL, EXTREME factions of Islam, not all of the religion, that is the problem.

Welcome aboard.

TAM:)

Hello TAM and thank you for the warm welcome along with so many others. It is good here.

Please forgive me on this that follows, but at least consider. I have been following and studying Islam, for some 30 years now since I run into its tenets in my global wanderings. I have studied and read the Q'uran many times. My own copy is worn out from consulting it.

It is the most violent, hateful, despicable belief system ever devised by man. And it is anything but 'peaceful'. Over 22,000 items within this twisted tome advise murder and death to the 'infidels', not to mention the hideous suppression of anything female.

All of us: From China to the US and everyone in between, are targets of wrath under this belief system.

Excerpts:

(Koran 76:4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers
chains, yokes and a blazing fire. To kill them all the day and night."

(Koran 8:12) Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with
the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the
Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the
Unbelievers and kill them: smite ye above their necks and smite all
their finger-tips off them."

(Koran 8:17) So you did not slay them, but it was Allah
Who killed them, and you did not kill when you smote (the
enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might
confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely
Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

(Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is
hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing
which is good for you and it may happen that you love a
thing which is bad for you and must kill. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

.........and so much more. And it is why not one nation, under Islam, has arisen up to police its own since 911. None. Why? Because there is nothing to rise up to, since they ae follwing the dictates of Allah to a 'T'.

We have been brainwashed with so much new age pap to not speak in fact about Isalm that it is a crime.

It is what it is; A murderous, hateful, anti-female, demogogery of utter insanity.

Imagine if the Methodist from Pittsburg are driving to Omaha to set off a car bomb at the Lutherans children's school (such as Islamic factions are doing in Baghdad at this very moment). We simply do not do this in the 21st century, in the rest of the non Islamic world.

Please consider.

........And there are very dark things in store for us in the near future in our Home Place that will be far outside the pale of 911........in the name of Allah...............

Behold such.

Thank you.

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
behold the rage dot com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

T.A.M.

16th March 2007, 12:43 PM

Kaarjuus

16th March 2007, 12:44 PM

I have studied and read the Q'uran many times. My own copy is worn out from consulting it.

It is the most violent, hateful, despicable belief system ever devised by man.

You really should read the Bible.

RAMS

16th March 2007, 12:49 PM

You really should read the Bible.

I do.

Read the bottom of my website front page at:

behold-the-rage dot com

Kaarjuus

16th March 2007, 12:51 PM

I do.

Read the bottom of my website front page at:

behold-the-rage dot com

So what about all the hatefulness, violence and misogyny in the Bible, then?

milesalpha

16th March 2007, 12:52 PM

Hello TAM and thank you for the warm welcome along with so many others. It is good here.

Please forgive me on this that follows, but at least consider. I have been following and studying Islam, for some 30 years now since I run into its tenets in my global wanderings. I have studied and read the Q'uran many times. My own copy is worn out from consulting it.

It is the most violent, hateful, despicable belief system ever devised by man. And it is anything but 'peaceful'. Over 22,000 items within this twisted tome advise murder and death to the 'infidels', not to mention the hideous suppression of anything female.

All of us: From China to the US and everyone in between, are targets of wrath under this belief system.

Excerpts:

(Koran 76:4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers
chains, yokes and a blazing fire. To kill them all the day and night."

(Koran 8:12) Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with
the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the
Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the
Unbelievers and kill them: smite ye above their necks and smite all
their finger-tips off them."

(Koran 8:17) So you did not slay them, but it was Allah
Who killed them, and you did not kill when you smote (the
enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might
confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely
Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

(Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is
hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing
which is good for you and it may happen that you love a
thing which is bad for you and must kill. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

.........and so much more. And it is why not one nation, under Islam, has arisen up to police its own since 911. None. Why? Because there is nothing to rise up to, since they ae follwing the dictates of Allah to a 'T'.

We have been brainwashed with so much new age pap to not speak in fact about Isalm that it is a crime.

It is what it is; A murderous, hateful, anti-female, demogogery of utter insanity.

Imagine if the Methodist from Pittsburg are driving to Omaha to set off a car bomb at the Lutherans children's school (such as Islamic factions are doing in Baghdad at this very moment). We simply do not do this in the 21st century, in the rest of the non Islamic world.

Please consider.

........And there are very dark things in store for us in the near future in our Home Place that will be far outside the pale of 911........in the name of Allah...............

Behold such.

Thank you.

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
behold the rage dot com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

Then I must assume you think that the Christian religon should be done away with as well. It would certainly be easy to cherry pick a few very negative examples from the Bible and provide some examples of their barbarity in the western world. Catholic church and little boys ring any bells?

RAMS

16th March 2007, 12:58 PM

I will, of course, bow to your overwhelming expertese in the field, c/w mine. However, I would rephrase...

"It is those who follow and practice the literal teachings of the Quran that are to be feared, not the peaceful law abiding, gentle people who believe in Allah and Mohammed."

You see I know many Muslims, and amongst all of them there is not the one who would be capable of the harm that is suggested by the literal interpretation of their book.

TAM:)

Good response but sorta smartass too. Since I spend over 90% of my time out of the country I have come to know many many Muslims. In many chats over coffee in all points of the compass, whether it be Morroco, or Jakarta we have discussed the 'ides of religion' in man. I gently always ask about 911 or Islamic history and its tenets of murder and suppression. The universal response is always, in some facsimile "Allah willing, the earth will abide with love in Allah."

Indeed....... or what is a highjacked airliner for......

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
behold-the-rage dot com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

Rawkarma

16th March 2007, 01:02 PM

tacodaemon

16th March 2007, 01:06 PM

A novel approach to debating at LC... (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5126&st=50&#entry12701276)

I've decided to translate one of the arguments being put forth into a recognisable argument form - and it turns out to be affirming the consequent.

Heh, over in the Stundie nomination thread a couple of days ago I also referred to that post (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2424784#post2424784) as "some of the finest examples of affirming the consequent I've ever seen". Great minds, etc.

T.A.M.

16th March 2007, 01:07 PM

Good response but sorta smartass too. Since I spend over 90% of my time out of the country I have come to know many many Muslims. In many chats over coffee in all points of the compass, whether it be Morroco, or Jakarta we have discussed the 'ides of religion' in man. I gently always ask about 911 or Islamic history and its tenets of murder and suppression. The universal response is always, in some facsimile "Allah willing, the earth will abide with love in Allah."

Indeed....... or what is a highjacked airliner for......

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
behold-the-rage dot com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

While I appreciate the compliment, I am not good enough at sarcasm to be subtle in its presentation. I did not mean any "smartass"ness in my words...they were all genuine, and no insinuation can be found between the lines.

TAM:)

RAMS

16th March 2007, 01:11 PM

RAMS

16th March 2007, 01:12 PM

While I appreciate the compliment, I am not good enough at sarcasm to be subtle in its presentation. I did not mean any "smartass"ness in my words...they were all genuine, and no insinuation can be found between the lines.

TAM:)

Thank you, TAM.

Again, good response.

RAMS

The Silver Shadow

16th March 2007, 01:13 PM

It is the most violent, hateful, despicable belief system ever devised by man. And it is anything but 'peaceful'. Over 22,000 items within this twisted tome advise murder and death to the 'infidels', not to mention the hideous suppression of anything female.
Interesting you should mention that. As a Muslim (Not as devout) and a skeptic, I believe that you have maybe taken the translations a little too seriously. An example would be that 'Jihad' is not holy war, but rather a war between nations. Islam was once an empire that spanned from Spain Eastwards. You probably need to re-read the Quran, and not a translation, and also have some knowledge of the current issues at the time of the writing of the Quran, and maybe you will understand why it was like that. If you speak with a true Muslim, not the terrorists and extremists, but rather the followers of the book, you will see that Islam is anything but despicable and hateful.

Ripley Twenty-Nine

16th March 2007, 01:22 PM

I have many Muslim friends that do not condone violence. The sweeping generalization should be corrected to: Islamic extremists.

As with any religion, you will always get some radicalized elements that will use anything, even archaic texts, to justify abhorrent behavior today.

And welcome RAMS.
Agreed. Most of the extremists are coming from extremely oppressive regions, where the average citizen does not have basic freedoms.

There are millions of Muslims that live in North America and Europe, and yet they do not have a problem with Muslim extremists. Why do you think this is?

The Old Testament also commands Christians to kill unbelievers, and yet billions of Christians do not follow God's command. Why?

And of course, welcome to the forum. :)

T.A.M.

16th March 2007, 01:40 PM

Pardalis

16th March 2007, 01:50 PM

Under Grace, in the new testament, the mantra of believing is service to others before self, let the Lord take care of you, afterwards. There is no dictate to kill non believers. There is no 'infidels'.

Like every religion, Christianity has its load of extremists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

RAMS

16th March 2007, 01:58 PM

Agreed. Most of the extremists are coming from extremely oppressive regions, where the average citizen does not have basic freedoms.

There are millions of Muslims that live in North America and Europe, and yet they do not have a problem with Muslim extremists. Why do you think this is?

The Old Testament also commands Christians to kill unbelievers, and yet billions of Christians do not follow God's command. Why?

And of course, welcome to the forum. :)

Superb response. Part of that is from my earlier post(s), in that the Q'uran teaches killing. The new and old testaments do not.

As stated, we Christians are under the age of Grace, (mercy given undeserved), New Testament, and are not under some inane order to kill those that differ with our heart's conviction. The Q'uran, however, teaches the opposite. We too, are not an oppressive culture.

Robert

GlennB

16th March 2007, 02:03 PM

Interesting you should mention that. As a Muslim (Not as devout) and a skeptic, I believe that you have maybe taken the translations a little too seriously. An example would be that 'Jihad' is not holy war, but rather a war between nations. Islam was once an empire that spanned from Spain Eastwards. You probably need to re-read the Quran, and not a translation, and also have some knowledge of the current issues at the time of the writing of the Quran, and maybe you will understand why it was like that. If you speak with a true Muslim, not the terrorists and extremists, but rather the followers of the book, you will see that Islam is anything but despicable and hateful.

My bolding.

Isn't that going to be extremely difficult for most of us?
Is there, in fact, nothing in the Koran that says the husband may beat his errant wife?
Given that The Bible also talks a lot of nonsense, perhaps we should all regard primary religious texts as a form of woo? I know I do.

RAMS

16th March 2007, 02:05 PM

For whatever reason went there and tried to comment to some comments in various threads and got this:

"you are not allowed to post at this comment forum."

Okay. Perhaps they have been in touch with LC.

RAMS

Ripley Twenty-Nine

16th March 2007, 02:22 PM

Superb response. Part of that is from my earlier post(s), in that the Q'uran teaches killing. The new and old testaments do not.

As stated, we Christians are under the age of Grace, (mercy given undeserved), New Testament, and are not under some inane order to kill those that differ with our heart's conviction. The Q'uran, however, teaches the opposite. We too, are not an oppressive culture.

Robert

Deuteronomy Chapter 7

1: "When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you are
entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before
you, the Hittites, the Gir'gashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the
Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites, seven nations greater
and mightier than yourselves,

2: and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat
them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant
with them, and show no mercy to them.
How does that not 'teach killing'? I could certainly find others if you like.

The Silver Shadow

16th March 2007, 03:10 PM

Is there, in fact, nothing in the Koran that says the husband may beat his errant wife?
My friend, who is a very devout Muslim, and I were having a talk about this last year, and he said that beating a spouse or a loved one is not appropriate in any context. Appropriate punishment may be used to discipline children, but beating the child is the absolute last resort (I'm not sure where he got that from).

Of course, with the rules of Islam, they are there because when Islam was a new religion, there were situations which just aren't around these days. One of the rules that comes to mind is the fact that women cannot sing in public. Why is this? Because at the time, society was fairly lawless and a woman could easily be raped if she called attention upon herself. Also, according to my law prof (who teaches gender and religion as well), as well as a few of my devout friends say that women in Islam have more sexual rights than men. A woman has the final word in who her sex partner is and she has the right to be sexually satisfied, otherwise, it's a sin...

CptColumbo

16th March 2007, 03:20 PM

I was listening to a lecture by Dr. Neil deGrassi Tyson on NPR today, and he said something interesting. He is an astrophysicist (he is one of those responsible for Pluto being downgraded) and was talking about the begining of the universe. "The Universe being small enough to fit on the head of a pin may not make sense to some people, but the universe doesn't care if it makes sense.[sic] Common sense has nothing to do with reality, it only has to do with your experiences." In the context of the twoofers who reject scientific findings over what they preceive, it is very funny.

GlennB

16th March 2007, 04:02 PM

My friend, who is a very devout Muslim, and I were having a talk about this last year, and he said that beating a spouse or a loved one is not appropriate in any context. Appropriate punishment may be used to discipline children, but beating the child is the absolute last resort (I'm not sure where he got that from).

<snip for brevity>

So although it categorically states in no uncertain terms that a husband may beat his errant wife, it's open to human interpretation according to historical and social context? Just like the Bible then.

Therefore both texts are worthless as absolute guides to human behaviour, given the diversity of human situations.

Thou shalt not commit murder (unless it prevents more murder)

Thou shalt not make for yourself an idol (unless it's to decorate a place of worship)

Thou mayest beat thy wife (unless it's taboo in the current social circumstances)

[move to a religion thread please]

~enigma~

16th March 2007, 04:05 PM

Dr. Neil deGrassi Tyson
DEGRASSE never screw with the good doctor's name....capice?

RAMS

16th March 2007, 04:07 PM

So although it categorically states in no uncertain terms that a husband may beat his errant wife, it's open to human interpretation according to historical and social context? Just like the Bible then.

Therefore both texts are worthless as absolute guides to human behaviour, given the diversity of human situations.

Thou shalt not commit murder (unless it prevents more murder)

Thou shalt not make for yourself an idol (unless it's to decorate a place of worship)

Thou mayest beat thy wife (unless it's taboo in the current social circumstances)

[move to a religion thread please]

Excellent.

Amen!

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Trave

Alareth

16th March 2007, 04:08 PM

To heck with Islam, it's all those Jedi in England we need to keep an eye on.

<.<
>.>

milesalpha

16th March 2007, 05:52 PM

For all, before the firestorm begins in raucous exchange.

I am a born again Christian, since May 9, 1972. I truly believe all relgion, in toto, is for people afraid of the dark. Early biblical data is as wild as any other belief system. The Catholic church and its boy screwers no different exception and its silly pope crap as well.

Under Grace, in the new testament, the mantra of believing is service to others before self, let the Lord take care of you, afterwards. There is no dictate to kill non believers. There is no 'infidels'.

We do not do car bombs in Sacramento, against factions of Christian followers from Denver. I believe that is not subject to debate.

In turn, and this too is not subject to debate, nothing on this planet is quite like the arcane and inane savagery of nation Islam.

911 is a glaring example. that is what hijacked airliners are for........

Come on, people.......

Robert

Really. So Jim Jones was....? Khoresh? McVeigh? The KKK? Aryan Nations?

If there was no edict to kill non-believers then why have you (Christians) killed so many? Millions of coincidental accidents?

As for arcane and inane, have you looked into the history of christianity? The various witch trials? The Inquisition? Indian schools? The Crusades? The wars surrounding the reformation? The treatment of the Huguenots? I could go on for some time over a 2000 year span before getting in modern political interference.

I have debated this before so I will fill in the answer I encounter most often. Claim that these people are not "real christians", the usual way out for Christians faced with the dilemna of their wildly violent religion. Despite this cherry picking attitude, continue to refer to all muslims in blanket generalizations.

Aren't you lucky there wasn't someone around who decided the christian church had done enough damage in the last 1000 years (as I would have, as you feel about Muslims, I feel about most religions) and put a stop to it.

CptColumbo

16th March 2007, 05:59 PM

DEGRASSE never screw with the good doctor's name....capice?

It came up that way in a google search, and I'm not alone http://mispell.guidecentral.com/degrasse.html

RAMS

16th March 2007, 06:28 PM

Really. So Jim Jones was....? Khoresh? McVeigh? The KKK? Aryan Nations?

If there was no edict to kill non-believers then why have you (Christians) killed so many? Millions of coincidental accidents?

As for arcane and inane, have you looked into the history of christianity? The various witch trials? The Inquisition? Indian schools? The Crusades? The wars surrounding the reformation? The treatment of the Huguenots? I could go on for some time over a 2000 year span before getting in modern political interference.

I have debated this before so I will fill in the answer I encounter most often. Claim that these people are not "real christians", the usual way out for Christians faced with the dilemna of their wildly violent religion. Despite this cherry picking attitude, continue to refer to all muslims in blanket generalizations.

Aren't you lucky there wasn't someone around who decided the christian church had done enough damage in the last 1000 years (as I would have, as you feel about Muslims, I feel about most religions) and put a stop to it.

This post warrants no response. Sorry. Please re-read my posts above.

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milesalpha

16th March 2007, 06:54 PM

This post warrants no response. Sorry. Please re-read my posts above.

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
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Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
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Have done. Saw nothing that would change my post. Noticed you have dodged the issue repeatedly with anyone who points it out. I guess I simply beat you to the punch with the answer. I will admit that it was pretty obvious that is how you would go from your previous posts.

Put simply, you pick and choose the aspects of christianity you will recognize. Islam you simply blanket with a single judgement.

For that, you should be sorry.

Mobyseven

17th March 2007, 08:54 PM

Oliver

17th March 2007, 09:01 PM

___________________________________________
Congratulations, Mobyseven!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif

Brothers and Sisters, we are once again gathered here to
bestow upon a fellow forumite, our highest distinction,
the blue badge of Honor and Courage!

A fellow skeptic, Mobyseven has fought the good fight,
and yet has been banned by the quote-miners,
google-searchers, and YouTube-vigilantes.

I say, “Yes” unto him!

Having placed her very sanity at risk,… venturing into the
caves of ig-no-rance and ob-fu-sca-tion… to the land, I say
to you, where fertilizer hangs from the trees like Spanish
moss... to that cistern of non-sequiturs... the land where
no math is known…. Yes! I am speaking of that vile
sanctum of braindead barely post pubescent
white boys..... Loose Change Forum v.2.

Yet, our valiant Mobyseven has returned, perhaps minus
a few brain cells, but nevertheless back to the bosom of
logic and rational thinking.

For your dedication to truth and your steadfast rejection of
[rule8 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=681416#rule8)], we bestow upon you the highest honor at JREF/CT

The Blue Badge of Honor and Courage.

Wear it proudly for you have braved the harshest
conditions of sheer stupidity known to man.
___________________________________________

Oliver

17th March 2007, 09:05 PM

So, I tried to log on to Loose Change today. And it's finally happened. I've been banned.

And what's more, I was making a concerted effort to be polite - I have the screenshots to prove that too, should anybody doubt me.

Does anyone have Dylan's email address so that I can enquire as to why I was banned?

And Oliver - may I finally have that much-coveted badge? And are there bonuses for having stuck around so long without being banned? (I was well into the 200 posts club)

You got the special Banner of honor for surviving all the time
over there. :) BTW: What was your username?

I don't know Dylans Mailadress but you can send a complain
to this adress: publicity@loosechange911.com

Mobyseven

17th March 2007, 09:50 PM

You got the special Banner of honor for surviving all the time
over there. :) BTW: What was your username?

Woohoo, the special banner of honor!!!

My username over there was (wait for it!): Mobyseven. I made no qualms about the fact that I posted at JREF, but was always polite and kept my cool. Check my posts if you don't believe me! :p

I don't know Dylans Mailadress but you can send a complain
to this adress: publicity@loosechange911.com

Danke schon.

The Silver Shadow

17th March 2007, 11:44 PM

Mobyseven

18th March 2007, 01:57 AM

I've already sent off an email to publicity@loosechange911.com, so if you want to you can get rid of Dylan's email address. Probably best to send it to publicity anyway.

chipmunk stew

18th March 2007, 03:26 PM

Dylan's e-mail address is dylan@loosechange911.com . Is there a way to mask the e-mail from those that aren't logged in because as much as I don't like this guy, I have to be respectful of one's privacy...
It's listed on his website (as the administrator email for the forums) so it's not private information.

Mobyseven

18th March 2007, 09:58 PM

he did the ONLY thing those very nice people at j-ref do Insult...
I can just see them typing about what a hypocrite I am, but ladies I don't consider calling someone gay an insult, those that do are clearly homophobic.
Are you listening dopeyseven? how is the decorating going? or are you sticking to brown in your new home...Gravys colon

An interesting debate tactic - talk to someone who you know has been banned.

Gosh, when I don't reply it MUST mean that he's correct!

Redtail

18th March 2007, 10:01 PM

he did the ONLY thing those very nice people at j-ref do Insult...
I can just see them typing about what a hypocrite I am, but ladies I don't consider calling someone gay an insult, those that do are clearly homophobic.
Are you listening dopeyseven? how is the decorating going? or are you sticking to brown in your new home...Gravys colonOf course it's not an insult he's just making fun of Mark by calling him gay.:rolleyes:

8den

20th March 2007, 06:09 PM

Of course it's not an insult he's just making fun of Mark by calling him gay.:rolleyes:

Breaktaking pause. So if I have this clear, he doesn't think calling some gay is an insult. Just a degotortory term. Those who are homophopic call people gay and they are homophopic.

People we have entered double think, love is hate, truth are lies, war is peace, and jackchit is an intelligent human being.

RAMS

20th March 2007, 06:48 PM

Have done. Saw nothing that would change my post. Noticed you have dodged the issue repeatedly with anyone who points it out. I guess I simply beat you to the punch with the answer. I will admit that it was pretty obvious that is how you would go from your previous posts.

Put simply, you pick and choose the aspects of christianity you will recognize. Islam you simply blanket with a single judgement.

For that, you should be sorry.

Sorry I did not see this post to respond too in a timely fashion.

I am entitled to my opinion based on emperical evidence and performance of same regarding the Q'oran and its followers and tenets.

I am also here to discuss and exchange the issues of 911.

You have your well thought out convictions as well. That also is fair and sound.

Is this a fair answer, being objective to both of us?

RAMS

The Silver Shadow

20th March 2007, 09:07 PM

I would find it fair if you gave a more neutral view of Islam rather than the ethnocentric view you gave earlier. Every religion has its bad aspects. You don't see me saying that Christianity is the worst form of religious thought of all mankind because the bible says that you should kill the non-believers, etc? I would expect the same form of respect from a Christian (Or the religion you make yourself out to be, not 100% sure if you're Christian or not).

Blanket statements create the problems we have right now. Try not to look at something with just one eye.

ref

21st March 2007, 06:21 AM

Killtown is now urging people not to pay their taxes. He has a poll and 55% agree with him, not to pay taxes.

KT:

"I haven't filed for the past couple of years. ***** BushCo and the war machine."

"I'm not mad at your or anything, just want to know why it's "your duty" to pay taxes that keeps the war machine going?"

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5829

Horatius

21st March 2007, 07:17 AM

Killtown is now urging people not to pay their taxes. He has a poll and 55% agree with him, not to pay taxes.

I find it interesting that even with a ridiculously biased "Yes" option:

Yes. I'm going to keep paying my taxes like a good American sheep to help fund 9/11 perps BushCo and the evil war machine.

He still has people voting yes. Might be there's still hope for some of them!

The Silver Shadow

21st March 2007, 07:25 AM

He still has people voting yes. Might be there's still hope for some of them!
Or Oliver is that 55% :D

tacodaemon

21st March 2007, 08:04 AM

Arkan_Wolfshade

21st March 2007, 08:07 AM

This had me surfing over to
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
Make sure to fill in section 5.c. of form 3949-A correctly.

jsiv

21st March 2007, 08:31 AM

Rebuild The Wct And Crash A Boeing Into It, How Much Does It Cost ? (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5772)

Anyone want to donate?

tacodaemon

21st March 2007, 08:43 AM

Rebuild The Wct And Crash A Boeing Into It, How Much Does It Cost ? (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5772)

Anyone want to donate?

I don't know which I like better, the suggestion that Hugo Chavez fund it or that the MythBusters do it.

Someone else in that thread linked that jet crash in Amsterdam that took out the middle of a long/wide apartment building. I can't get over how many twoofers can't see the difference between a wide building whose height is much smaller than its width and a really tall building whose height is much greater than its width.

tacodaemon

21st March 2007, 08:51 AM

The Discovery Channel is in on the conspiracy too (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4694), making shows featuring Controlled Demolitions Inc. so that people will have a favorable view of said company and not realize that it was also a prime contractor for the conspiracy.

WildCat

21st March 2007, 08:55 AM

Rebuild The Wct And Crash A Boeing Into It, How Much Does It Cost ? (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5772)

Anyone want to donate?
Depends... will all the troofers who think it could only collapse due to bombs/thermite/ate/mini-nukes/beam weapons be inside the rebuilt WTC in a show of confidence?

WildCat

21st March 2007, 08:56 AM

Minadin

21st March 2007, 08:58 AM

I especially liked this quote: Its not imposible ... And we need only one tour so divide 750 million by 2 or 3.

300 millions $, we can do it.

Because, you know, there hasn't been any inflation in the past 40 years or anything, and buildings cost the same now as they did in 1967. Besides, it's not like $300 million is a lot of money anyway, to put into something you're going to intentionally demolish.

delphi_ote

21st March 2007, 08:59 AM

What Killtown neglects to mention is that he's never had a job.
And probably draws unemployment or Social Security, knowing the depth of his hypocracy.

The Silver Shadow

21st March 2007, 09:04 AM

already, the US is borrowing money at the rate of $20,000 a second! Paying taxes means nothing to them. Also, this poster makes me feel bad for being Iranian

i never pay tax in Iran. i give little bit of money to man that ask for tax and give regard to his family.

uk_dave

21st March 2007, 09:08 AM

What Killtown neglects to mention is that he's never had a job.

Well, there are those pesky child labour laws

Horatius

21st March 2007, 09:10 AM

Besides, it's not like $300 million is a lot of money anyway, to put into something you're going to intentionally demolish.

Ah, but that's the beauty of their delusion! They'll actually be unintentionally demolishing it!

jsiv

21st March 2007, 09:40 AM

I especially liked this quote:

Its not imposible ... And we need only one tour so divide 750 million by 2 or 3.

300 millions $, we can do it.
Because, you know, there hasn't been any inflation in the past 40 years or anything, and buildings cost the same now as they did in 1967. Besides, it's not like $300 million is a lot of money anyway, to put into something you're going to intentionally demolish.
And they're taking their show on the road! Where do you find a truck big enough for that?

Minadin

21st March 2007, 09:44 AM

tacodaemon

21st March 2007, 09:55 AM

Actually, I forgot about the price of the 767 airliner they have to fly into it. What do those go for nowadays?

And which truther is going to volunteer for that job? Unless they plan on doing it with remote control . . . wouldn't that be interesting.

I'm surprised that none of the Junior Mr. Wizard Club over there has tried crashing an aluminum model plane into a steel fence to "prove" that aluminum can't go through steel and therefore there were no planes/there were planes with missile pods/there were planes helped out by missiles fired from elsewhere/Killtown and Christophera's brains have solid concrete cores.

Maybe we can get the paper-skyscraper-building guy to fold paper airplanes and throw them at his paper tower.

uk_dave

21st March 2007, 10:57 AM

It's heating up again over at LCF.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=12

:popcorn2

jhunter1163

21st March 2007, 11:17 AM

Arkan_Wolfshade

21st March 2007, 11:29 AM

This little gem from Terrorcell:

IT IS NOT THE DUTY OF THE TRUTH MOVEMENT TO PROVE WHAT HAPPENED. IT IS OUR DUTY TO PROVE WHAT DIDN'T. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EXPOSE THE GOVERNMENTS LIES AND GET A NEW INVESTIGATION.

Stundie material if I ever saw it.
To be fair, there is some validity in that statement. Reason I say this is that the Commission report, etc, are a bit of a junction between science and law. In science, to disprove a theory (say evolution) you have to present a competing theory that explains more/better than the existing one. In law though, a defense attorney does not need to show who is guilty, only that their client is not.

Now, the problem with their thinking is that, say they show conclusive, objective, verifiable proof of explosives being used in bringing down the towers; they then make the jump and assume that the Commission report, et al, are Lies and that the gov't did a cover-up, etc; whereas what it means is that the statements in the report showing no explosives are wrong (either intentionally or accidentally) and that some party planted the explosives and further investigation is needed to determine who it was.

chipmunk stew

21st March 2007, 11:30 AM

The J-D'oh/Lyte/Merc team has been one of Our greatest successes in distracting the public from the Truth. Check's in the mail, boys.

GlennB

21st March 2007, 11:31 AM

It's heating up again over at LCF.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=12

:popcorn2

Dammit. I was banned again today, and can't use a proxy from work.
What's it about?

( I did read an absolutely stunning debunk of Lyte's flyover gibberish from Russell Pickering yesterday. If I were Lyte I'd be gently sobbing, and rocking back+forth with my head in my hands )

chipmunk stew

21st March 2007, 11:36 AM

( I did read an absolutely stunning debunk of Lyte's flyover gibberish from Russell Pickering yesterday. If I were Lyte I'd be gently sobbing, and rocking back+forth with my head in my hands )
That only confirms that you're light-years removed from Lyte--if you were Lyte, you'd be claiming Russell is a spook.

uk_dave

21st March 2007, 11:42 AM

Dammit. I was banned again today, and can't use a proxy from work.
What's it about?

( I did read an absolutely stunning debunk of Lyte's flyover gibberish from Russell Pickering yesterday. If I were Lyte I'd be gently sobbing, and rocking back+forth with my head in my hands )

ummmmm EVERYTHING!! :D

Russell Pickering:
Is everybody that disagrees with you an agent or a JREFer?

Merc trip:

People that do it over and over and over, saying the same disinfo garbage with nothng else to back up their case, while they continually attacking us?

Yes, I believe the odds are great that they are a Jrefer.

Less likely that they are an "agent".

Is everyone that does their own field research and make a doc regarding it, a "conniving, profiteering, disruptive, egotistical, weaseling " unwitting participant of "misinformation"?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5646&st=0&#last

Citizen lyte:

Oh no Rob, be careful, you may disrupt and eventually bring down the LC Forum and LCFC with that smilie.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5855&st=0&#last

Crungy

21st March 2007, 07:28 PM

Killtown is now urging people not to pay their taxes. He has a poll and 55% agree with him, not to pay taxes.

KT:

"I haven't filed for the past couple of years. ***** BushCo and the war machine."

That's because the lil' fella hasn't worked in the past couple of years.

Edit: Didn't read the rest of thread and saw that this obvious joke was already played out. Sorry!

A W Smith

21st March 2007, 07:45 PM

Rebuild The Wct And Crash A Boeing Into It, How Much Does It Cost ? (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5772)

Anyone want to donate?

Fence Posts and FabricGalvanized Hardware Cloth, Redi-Roll®, Midwest Air Technologies
__________________________________________________ ________________________
Craft@Hrs Unit Material Labor Total
__________________________________________________ ________________________
Galvanized Hardware Cloth, Redi-Roll®, Midwest Air Technologies
1/2-inch mesh, 19-gauge.
__________________________________________________ ________________________
SKU 554205, No. 308221DPT, 24" x 5' --@.000 Ea 5.97 -- 5.97

That works out to about $1,164,150.00 per tower

Alareth

21st March 2007, 07:56 PM

"I haven't filed for the past couple of years. ***** BushCo and the war machine."

You only have to file taxes if you have a job.

I myself have at one point not filed a tax return for 3 years straight. Of course one of those years I spent unemployed with 0 income and the other 2 I had a job but was owed a (very, very small) refund.

If you do not owe additional taxes that April 15th deadline each year does not apply to you. If the IRS owes you a refund you can hold off filing for several years.

I love the "Give us our money now ... Oh, we owe you? Hey don't worry about it then. Take your time. We can wait." attidude of the IRS.

Mobyseven

21st March 2007, 10:57 PM

You only have to file taxes if you have a job.

I myself have at one point not filed a tax return for 3 years straight. Of course one of those years I spent unemployed with 0 income and the other 2 I had a job but was owed a (very, very small) refund.

If you do not owe additional taxes that April 15th deadline each year does not apply to you. If the IRS owes you a refund you can hold off filing for several years.

I love the "Give us our money now ... Oh, we owe you? Hey don't worry about it then. Take your time. We can wait." attidude of the IRS.

To be fair, I used to work for a tax agency (not income tax though), and I can tell you that it takes far more people to get the tax in the first place than to give the money back.

The agency also took care of first home owner grants, and the first home owner bonus, but there were not many people in those departments. So if all of a sudden everyone decided they wanted to apply for a payout, that small department would get a LOT of work, far more than they could handle most likely. And it would in no way decrease the work other departments have to do - in fact it would increase the total work.

ref

22nd March 2007, 09:00 AM

They have finally removed my right to view their board. How did the proxy view work, in case I sometimes want to take a peek?

Calcas

22nd March 2007, 09:03 AM

They have finally removed my right to view their board. How did the proxy view work, in case I sometimes want to take a peek?

Sent you a PM...

ref

22nd March 2007, 09:21 AM

:clap:

Minadin

22nd March 2007, 10:18 AM

Chemtrails nuttery:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5848

uk_dave

22nd March 2007, 03:42 PM

Interesting. The poster known as 'shure', he of the whacky telephone calls and frequent meltdowns, has tripped over the edge on his discovery that Alex Jones may not be entirely truthful and now, after annoying the others on LCF makes this comment........

Shure:
Sometimes I think it was a total freak accident that someone like me was turnned on to 9/11 I should be a dumb zombie,,, and its almost like an addictive drug I wanna know more more more. Its turnned my life upside down AS I KNOW IT HAS EVERYBODIES !!!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5924

I wonder how many other 'truthers' are suffering from 'conspiracy addiction'?

jsiv

22nd March 2007, 04:00 PM

[/URL]Citizen Merc uncovers the truth in "[URL="http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5725"]The Plane Crashed On The Other Side Of Pentagon?, 911 Callers saw it fly over (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5725)."

I believe GENUINE WITNESSES on Rt 27 or in the surrounding area on (or on the side of) the impact side saw it fly over.

They then stopped their car and called 911 on their cell phone(like others did).

And reported the crash ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PENTAGON!!!!

Horatius

22nd March 2007, 04:36 PM

[/URL]Citizen Merc uncovers the truth in "[URL="http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5725"]The Plane Crashed On The Other Side Of Pentagon?, 911 Callers saw it fly over (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5725)."

So now we have a plane that didn't crash, but left lots of physical evidence, and a plane that did crash, and left no evidence at all.

So we average out, then? Yeah, that makes sense.....

Sergio Agüero

23rd March 2007, 12:35 PM

After being banned from the LCF for the second time I thought I might as well register here. I've been interested in conspiracy theories for a while, 9/11 ones since the infamous (among "truth" people anyway) BBC "hitpiece". I watched the Loose Change film (!), catagorised the many, many errors and distortions in my head and signed up to the forum.

It's probably the strangest forum I've ever been on, moderation is very one sided (I was banned for comparing them to toddlers, a nutjob named beached has racked up hundreds of posts, each one blaming "Zionists" for everything), debate is limited to how much of a conspiracy users think it is, rather than if it was a conspiracy, sources are only trustworthy if they agree with their particular theory (see the holding up of that discredited BBC "hijackers still alive story", yet the complete dismissal of everything else they report) and so on. Logic, reasoning, science and evidence have no place there.

Happily it seems to be a movement made up of teenage boys (err, like myself), David Icke style conspiracists (not like myself) and far right neo nazi types (definitely not like myself), none of whom should be taken seriously. They're not going to be storming the White House any time soon, that's for sure.

So...I'm glad to be here. Hi!

uk_dave

23rd March 2007, 12:40 PM

So...I'm glad to be here. Hi!

Welcome to reality, Sergio :)

Nice first post.

T.A.M.

23rd March 2007, 12:41 PM

Welcome Sergio. The collection of people here tends to be more on the mature side, with much less radical behaviour or thought processes. I hope you find the answers you are looking for.

TAM:)

Arus808

23rd March 2007, 12:45 PM

salutations. welcome. Bienvenue! irashaimase (いっらしゃいませ)! and all that jazz

chipmunk stew

23rd March 2007, 01:00 PM

So...I'm glad to be here. Hi!
Welcome, Sergio! :w2:

The Conspiracy Theories forum is like the bastard step-child of the JREF forums, so be sure to visit the rest of the forum to get a real flavor for what the rest of the world (outside the 9/11 CT world, where calling someone a "JREFer" is a lower blow than "shill" or "neocon") means when they refer to JREF.

T.A.M.

23rd March 2007, 01:02 PM

Welcome, Sergio! :w2:

The Conspiracy Theories forum is like the bastard step-child of the JREF forums, so be sure to visit the rest of the forum to get a real flavor for what the rest of the world (outside the 9/11 CT world, where calling someone a "JREFer" is a lower blow than "shill" or "neocon") means when they refer to JREF.

SO you are saying the CT Forum is fatherless? Oh the horror.

TAM:)

Sergio Agüero

23rd March 2007, 01:15 PM

Yeah, I've had a look around, some interesting stuff here. The paranormal and conspiracy theories probably interest me less than the actual people who believe in them. As a rational person, I can't actually get my head around a mindset where you accept that lizards rule the world, or that Derek Acorah (a UK medium) can speak with the "spirit world", or that a spirit world even exists.

Anyway, I'm dragging this off topic. Err, that Killtown eh? He's quite something isn't he?

The Silver Shadow

23rd March 2007, 01:43 PM

Anyway, I'm dragging this off topic. Err, that Killtown eh? He's quite something isn't he?
Killtown is a lot of fun at times. He's like the annoying baby that when he doesn't get what he wants, he'll cry, bang his hands and feet on the floor and call you a shill! Then there are other times that he shows something, is debunked, and keeps asking it over and over again ("But isn't it POSSIBLE for there to be no plane?")...

Killtown has the potential of being a great, self-deprecating, comedian!

Horatius

23rd March 2007, 02:04 PM

Killtown has the potential of being a great, self-deprecating, comedian!

I don't think KT has enough self-awarenes to be self-deprecating. He's like an idiot savant of good questions - he can sometimes ask a really good one, but then completely misses the answer.

There was one time on LCF, and the no-planers were arguing with the CDers, and KT, in an attempt to mock those who believe actual planes were used at the WTC, asked, "Would you fly a fully loaded plane into a building you had wired with explosives?"

Of course, the answer is no, so there were no explosives. He came up with, no, so there are no planes!

The Silver Shadow

23rd March 2007, 03:22 PM

self-deprecating comedian, and he wouldn't even know it! If he could go on a radio show or something and debate with one of us, I would like to see how long it would take for him to contradict his statements...

Mobyseven

23rd March 2007, 08:31 PM

He's like the annoying baby that when he doesn't get what he wants, he'll cry, bang his hands and feet on the floor and call you a shill!

Yeah, I hate it when my baby calls me a shill. It was his first word too...

:p

Horatius

24th March 2007, 07:34 PM

The Ultimate Evil:

Troofers meet Telemarketers. (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6071)

delphi_ote

24th March 2007, 08:14 PM

interesting the constitution and the bill of rights are not in pencil nor in blood -- but the sure have cost us the
people who fight the wars for these "they" people.
Mixed metaphor overload. Help me!!!!!!!!!!

Mobyseven

24th March 2007, 09:47 PM

Mixed metaphor overload. Help me!!!!!!!!!!

Have a drink. I have some El Jimador reposado tequila for dire emergencies such as this.

Garb

24th March 2007, 09:50 PM

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5958

You think they enjoy humiliation or something...

delphi_ote

24th March 2007, 10:48 PM

Have a drink. I have some El Jimador reposado tequila for dire emergencies such as this.
:alc:
Ah. Much better. Thank you, sir.

We just have to be careful and not drink so much that this stuff actually starts making sense.

Mobyseven

25th March 2007, 12:43 AM

:alc:
Ah. Much better. Thank you, sir.

We just have to be careful and not drink so much that this stuff actually starts making sense.

We'll be fine so long as nobody puts LSD or peyote in my tequila.

DarkMagician

25th March 2007, 01:32 AM

irashaimase (いっらしゃいませ)!
*buys something from Arus*

Rawkarma

26th March 2007, 07:59 AM

Mark Koernke will be up in 2 hours at 5pm EST to talk about this here:
http://www.live365.com/stations/edtheak47 (http://proxify.com/p/011010A1000110/687474703a2f2f7777772e6c6976653336352e636f6d2f7374 6174696f6e732f6564746865616b3437)

Stop and consider this all you 911 'truthseekers' out there.
THREE buildings were wired for CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
TWO were hit by planes. The third was SUPPOSED to be as well!

The third, building #7 was where the operation was being run FROM and the Illuminists planned to take OUT their helpers.
But something went WRONG with their plans and so they concocted another FAIRY tale saying Flight #77 was headed for the White House.

Mark voiced this on Friday's show and it makes PERFECT SENSE!

The globalists were fully planning on betraying those who helped STAGE 911 and MURDER THEM AS WELL!

LCF Thread (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6180)
Proxy (http://proxify.com/p/011010A1000110/687474703a2f2f7a31302e696e766973696f6e667265652e63 6f6d2f4c6f6f73655f4368616e67655f466f72756d2f696e64 65782e7068703f73686f77746f7069633d36313830)

Sleepy is still not getting enough it would seem.

So now the conspirators are conspiring to kill the conspirators.

Again the notion of islamic terrorists hijacking and flying planes into buildings and their subsequent collapse is seen as outlandish to Cters, but they bang out this kind of lunacy and it, "makes PERFECT SENSE"?

I got banned for asking for evidence to support the claim for remote-controlled planes. If they need to ban people from LCF, surely its the ones that keep churning out this crap.

The Doc

26th March 2007, 08:21 AM

Sleepy @ LC
But something went WRONG with their plans and so they concocted another FAIRY tale saying Flight #77 was headed for the White House.

a) I have never heard anyone say Flight 77 was headed for the White House
b) Flight 77 hit the Pentagon...

Firestone

26th March 2007, 08:26 AM

a) I have never heard anyone say Flight 77 was headed for the White House
b) Flight 77 hit the Pentagon...:)

Ok, sleepy2k16 isn't the best researcher in the world, not even among truthers. Probably they mean flight 93.
(Not that that makes sense ...)

Someone actually makes a logical remark:I really don't think that WTC 7 was an intended target for any plane. Surely if it had been, it would have been wired up to implode starting near the top, like the twin towers did. Instead, its demolition began at the bottom, just like a typical controlled demolition.To which, sadly, our own einsteen answers:That's only a matter of a sequence, probably they could start it at each point they wanted. Maybe they used advanced remote controlled charges.

The Doc

26th March 2007, 08:33 AM

That's only a matter of a sequence, probably they could start it at each point they wanted. Maybe they used advanced remote controlled charges.

Emphasis mine.

Wow. That sounds like some solid evidence :rolleyes:.

Rawkarma

26th March 2007, 08:36 AM

a) I have never heard anyone say Flight 77 was headed for the White House
b) Flight 77 hit the Pentagon...

I noticed that, but like Fire I thought sleepy was referring to flight 93.

I was most likely giving sleepy too much credit on that, considering how baffling that entire post was.

delphi_ote

26th March 2007, 10:08 AM

If they need to ban people from LCF, surely its the ones that keep churning out this crap.
Then there would be nobody left!

Sergio Agüero

26th March 2007, 10:22 AM

alexvegas (possibly the only poster there who isn't involved in the movie, a JREFer, an NWO fearing surivalist or an anti-semite) at LCF:

I know I don't. I would describe myself as a sceptic, which is what JREFers are SUPPOSED to be.

I question things, and base my opinions on what I find. That is why I am an atheist. It is why I don't believe the world is run by lizards. It is why I know that 9/11 was an inside job.

JREFers form an opinion, and then manipulate the evidence to suit their predetermined outcome. When the evidence is not manipulatable they resort to tactics like yours.

That is not scepticism, it is propaganda peddling.

Something that I've found interesting about the "truthers" and their opponents is the way that, with a few words switched around, posts like this could be written by someone from the other side.

I know I don't. I would describe myself as a sceptic, which is what truthers are SUPPOSED to be.

I question things, and base my opinions on what I find. That is why I am an atheist. It is why I don't believe the world is run by lizards. It is why I know that 9/11 wasn't an inside job.

Truthers form an opinion, and then manipulate the evidence to suit their predetermined outcome. When the evidence is not manipulatable they resort to tactics like yours.

That is not truth seeking, it is propaganda peddling.

Mobyseven

26th March 2007, 08:27 PM

Then there would be nobody left!

Oliver and his army of socks?

Alareth

26th March 2007, 08:58 PM

a) I have never heard anyone say Flight 77 was headed for the White House

I have, long before I was even aware of this conspriacy nonsense.

As early as the evening of 9/11 there were a several news outlets speculating that AA77's target was the White House but the hijackers had trouble locating it from the air and the Pentagon was either a backup or target of opportunity.

I don't know what they based the speculation on, but I definitely remember them talking about it.

Arus808

26th March 2007, 09:31 PM

Oh this is getting to be golden:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6213

I haven't seen the movie yet, but they claim that the 911 Commission Report was put into the movie because of the MSM leaning toward not believing what is being reported in that report.

can someone not follow the storyline of a MOVIE!!! remember, this is a MOVIE.

Brainache

26th March 2007, 09:41 PM

Oliver and his army of socks?

"Oliver's army are on their way
Oliver's army are here to stay
And I would rather be anywhere
else than here today..." - Elvis Costello.

I love that song.

Brainache

1st April 2007, 04:37 AM

So having not posted there for a while I thought I'd brouse arownd LC Stundie hunting when I saw tis message:

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Is it just me, or is this some kind of April fools thing?

delphi_ote

1st April 2007, 04:50 AM

So having not posted there for a while I thought I'd brouse arownd LC Stundie hunting when I saw tis message:

Is it just me, or is this some kind of April fools thing?
It's probably an IP ban.

CptColumbo

1st April 2007, 07:43 AM

Brainache

1st April 2007, 07:54 AM

The last time I posted was last week in a thread about Jesus Camp. No problems. I only had about 20 posts over there, mostly on the moon hoax and chemtrails plus one or two about Jackchit's MRGS myspace page. I might be wrong, but I think I may be in line for one of Oliver's badges.

defaultdotxbe

1st April 2007, 08:04 AM

When I first got banned from LC last year I was going to the library to use the internet. I then went to each computer in my local branch and discovered that if I tried to login using my old account it would automatically ban the IP I was at. I couldn't even look at the forum. I came back a week later and discovered that they were still banned. I then went to the larger branch and got all those computers banned. There is broadband in my house now, so I don't have to go to the library, but I wonder if the purging a few months ago reinstated the IPs.
theres no way they could be doing that, theyd need a custom script to ban the IP on login, but invisionfree doesnt let you use custom php

it was probably the cookies on each computer that was keeping you out (plus, all the computers at the library probably conenct through a single gateway, so theyd all have the same IP anyway)

on another note, it seem my ISP has been unbanned, guess there are some truthers on WOW cable, lol

CptColumbo

1st April 2007, 08:08 AM

theres no way they could be doing that, theyd need a custom script to ban the IP on login, but invisionfree doesnt let you use custom php

it was probably the cookies on each computer that was keeping you out (plus, all the computers at the library probably conenct through a single gateway, so theyd all have the same IP anyway)

on another note, it seem my ISP has been unbanned, guess there are some truthers on WOW cable, lol
Most of what you posted is gibberish to me. I was able to view the forum, but the moment I tried to login it banned the computer I was using. I went to a differnet computer and was able to view the forum, but when I logged in it blocked me and I couldn't view the site anymore from that computer.

defaultdotxbe

1st April 2007, 08:17 AM

Most of what you posted is gibberish to me. I was able to view the forum, but the moment I tried to login it banned the computer I was using. I went to a differnet computer and was able to view the forum, but when I logged in it blocked me and I couldn't view the site anymore from that computer.
the website saves a file on the computer (called a cookie) that automatically logs you in each time you visit, so once you logged in with your banned account it prevented you from viewing the forum, and if you closed the window and tried to go to the site again the cookie would log you in automatically (with your banned account) and again block you

it really doesnt matter though, lol, im just an arse who feels the need to correct peopel whenever he sees some sort of computer-related misstatement, lol

A W Smith

1st April 2007, 09:31 AM

you would probably not only need to delete the cookie but change the registered user on that computer. Or create another user profile.

Mince

1st April 2007, 04:41 PM

http://myspacewaiter.com/nph-proxy.cgi/111110A/http/z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6659

Neanderthals! This really disgusts me.

I had a very disturbing revelation the other day. I heard Alex Jones mention that he had children. This chilled me. His children will never have a rational option when it comes to government and 9/11. Jones will coerce them into believing the deceit he peddles. They will never be able to thoughtfully disagree with him. They will never be able to use their intellect to counter him.

I can only pray for his children and be thankful they are not me.

Mobyseven

1st April 2007, 07:04 PM

Brainache

1st April 2007, 07:14 PM

I'd say so - Oliver, bring this man his badge! :D

Might I ask who you were over there?

I was Beachrain (an anagram of Brainache) and I am definitely banned although I have no idea why, apart from their usual intolerance of dissent which they seem to be so proud of.

Mobyseven

1st April 2007, 07:17 PM

I was Beachrain (an anagram of Brainache) and I am definitely banned although I have no idea why, apart from their usual intolerance of dissent which they seem to be so proud of.

Don't worry - I still don't know why I was banned there...

But lets just sit back, and wait for OLIVER (cough, hint, when he gets online) to present you with your badge...

Sergio Agüero

2nd April 2007, 01:17 PM

negativ

2nd April 2007, 02:16 PM

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6719&hl=

Honeybees are disappearing all over the world at an alarming rate. Not a slow thing, they virtually vanished overnight. This is no joke, the bees are missing...not dead, missing. No bee carcasses to be found, the bees just VANISHED...POOF...GONE...FREAKIN MYSTERY!

Scientists are UNABLE to explain why 25% of the bee populations in America, Canada, and Europe have dissappeared in the past couple months.

Here is the weird part...

We all know about the "Lone Gunman" episode where they were trying to fly planes into the trade center.

WHAT ABOUT THE X-FILES EPISODE WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO USE BEES TO INFECT MANKIND?

WHAT BETTER WAY TO ATTACK MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THEN TO INFECT BILLIONS OF BEES AND RELEASE THEM ON MANKIND?

AFTER 9/11 I DON'T DISCOUNT ANYTHING!!!

Then, he reprints an article from someone who claims to have designed a bee-shooting gun used by US forces in Viet Nam.

:hypnotize

negativ

2nd April 2007, 02:36 PM

And this:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6583

First...here is a picture of baby Bush, Putin, and Hu Jintao wearing SATANIC tunics while on a trip to Vietnam. I could not actually upload the pic because it was a dynamic link...well worth the look. Can someone upload this pic to this thread?

Here's the SATANIC ROBES (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6397/booshfg3.png).

Aiiiieee!!!

Oliver

2nd April 2007, 02:45 PM

I was Beachrain (an anagram of Brainache) and I am definitely banned although I have no idea why, apart from their usual intolerance of dissent which they seem to be so proud of.

___________________________________________

Congratulations, Brainache!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif[/URL]

Brothers and Sisters, we are once again gathered here to
bestow upon a fellow forumite, our highest distinction,
the blue badge of Honor and Courage!

A fellow skeptic, Brainache has fought the good fight,
and yet has been banned by the quote-miners,
google-searchers, and YouTube-vigilantes.

I say, “Yes” unto him!

Having placed her very sanity at risk,… venturing into the
caves of ig-no-rance and ob-fu-sca-tion… to the land, I say
to you, where fertilizer hangs from the trees like Spanish
moss... to that cistern of non-sequiturs... the land where
no math is known…. Yes! I am speaking of that vile
sanctum of braindead barely post pubescent
white boys..... Loose Change Forum v.2.

Yet, our valiant Brainache has returned, perhaps minus
a few brain cells, but nevertheless back to the bosom of
logic and rational thinking.

For your dedication to truth and your steadfast rejection of
[[URL="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=681416#rule8"]rule8 (http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif)], we bestow upon you the highest honor at JREF/CT

The Blue Badge of Honor and Courage.

Wear it proudly for you have braved the harshest
conditions of sheer stupidity known to man.

___________________________________________

Horatius

2nd April 2007, 03:48 PM

And this:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6583

Here's the SATANIC ROBES (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6397/booshfg3.png).

Aiiiieee!!!

I always thought those "pose in local attire" photos ops would come back to haunt them!

Can you imagine being so ignorant of other cultures that you'd honestly think these were "Satanic robes"? :boggled:

A W Smith

2nd April 2007, 04:43 PM

e^n

2nd April 2007, 04:48 PM

Can't post urls, but the thread "No Plane Disinfo" is an amusing read.

Watch Killtown and others avoid answering questions about the insane belief in the planes at the WTC being faked.

How many people would be added to the conspiracy in his version then? How much more work, how much more would there be to go wrong? That said, the presence of people like him in the movement makes them much less credible, so I'm not complaining.

Haha, I do my best. Honestly all I am hoping to get out of this is to definitively shut the no-planers up once and for all. It won't happen on the internet, but hopefully I can get them banned from posting their theories in the Loose Change forums, considering how badly Killtown is already recieved.

He's just going to procrastinate and not take up my challenge, hopefully the mods will notice this next time he goes on a lunatic posting spree.

Mobyseven

2nd April 2007, 06:16 PM

Oliver: Has that speech changed, or is my memory just awful?

DarkMagician

2nd April 2007, 06:20 PM

I always thought those "pose in local attire" photos ops would come back to haunt them!

Can you imagine being so ignorant of other cultures that you'd honestly think these were "Satanic robes"? :boggled:

My first thought was "Why are they wearing shower curtains?"

humingbrd

2nd April 2007, 06:32 PM

And this:

Aiiiieee!!!

The Vietnamese might be puzzled to hear that their national dress, the Áo dài is satanic.

Brainache

2nd April 2007, 06:36 PM

___________________________________________

Congratulations, Brainache!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif[/URL]

Brothers and Sisters, we are once again gathered here to
bestow upon a fellow forumite, our highest distinction,
the blue badge of Honor and Courage!

A fellow skeptic, Brainache has fought the good fight,
and yet has been banned by the quote-miners,
google-searchers, and YouTube-vigilantes.

I say, “Yes” unto him!

Having placed her very sanity at risk,… venturing into the
caves of ig-no-rance and ob-fu-sca-tion… to the land, I say
to you, where fertilizer hangs from the trees like Spanish
moss... to that cistern of non-sequiturs... the land where
no math is known…. Yes! I am speaking of that vile
sanctum of braindead barely post pubescent
white boys..... Loose Change Forum v.2.

Yet, our valiant Brainache has returned, perhaps minus
a few brain cells, but nevertheless back to the bosom of
logic and rational thinking.

For your dedication to truth and your steadfast rejection of
[[URL="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=681416#rule8"]rule8 (http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif)], we bestow upon you the highest honor at JREF/CT

The Blue Badge of Honor and Courage.

Wear it proudly for you have braved the harshest
conditions of sheer stupidity known to man.

___________________________________________

Well I'm touched. Thanks Oliver. I never noticed it before, but why does the gender change part way through?

So now I've been banned at both LC forums does that make me a Ninja?

Orphia Nay

3rd April 2007, 01:54 AM

Well I'm touched. Thanks Oliver. I never noticed it before, but why does the gender change part way through?

So now I've been banned at both LC forums does that make me a Ninja?

You were already a Ninja, silly!! :) Being banned gets you the badge (sometimes, hint hint, Oliver:p ), but just being a JREFer posting at LC makes you a Ninja.

Get yourself a Ninja name, Brainache-san, and ask the pixies in the custom title thread in the Member Support forum to set it up for you with a ninja smiley too if you wish. (Negative ninja, perhaps? Neurotic ninja? (:hug2:)))

That goes for our other super-stealthy ninjas too.

Brainache

3rd April 2007, 02:00 AM

You were already a Ninja, silly!! :) Being banned gets you the badge (sometimes, hint hint, Oliver:p ), but just being a JREFer posting at LC makes you a Ninja.

Get yourself a Ninja name, Brainache-san, and ask the pixies in the custom title thread in the Member Support forum to set it up for you with a ninja smiley too if you wish. (Negative ninja, perhaps? Neurotic ninja? (:hug2:)))

That goes for our other super-stealthy ninjas too.

Hmm might need to put some thought into this.... Clinically depressed Ninja lacks a certain something.

Comsat Angel

3rd April 2007, 04:39 AM

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6719&hl=

Then, he reprints an article from someone who claims to have designed a bee-shooting gun used by US forces in Viet Nam.

:hypnotize

Complete b*ll*x!
When the bee populations in Europe were hit with a parasite, the production of honey dried up drastically for months. I know, because I use it in tea instead of sugar. Is there any shortage now? NO!
Also, I can think of few ways more clumsy and ineffective for infecting millions of people than by using - bees.

Calcas

3rd April 2007, 07:02 AM

Is the lcf down?

I keep getting a Plesk domain default page.

Mobyseven

3rd April 2007, 08:06 AM

Is the lcf down?

It's a COINTELPRO job.

Officially it's "server down time". But they'll know the truth. They always do.

Oliver

3rd April 2007, 10:03 AM

___________________________________________

Congratulations, Juustin!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif[/URL]

Brothers and Sisters, we are once again gathered here to
bestow upon a fellow forumite, our highest distinction,
the blue badge of Honor and Courage!

A fellow skeptic, Juustin has fought the good fight,
and yet has been banned by the quote-miners,
google-searchers, and YouTube-vigilantes.

I say, “Yes” unto him!

Having placed his very sanity at risk,… venturing into the
caves of ig-no-rance and ob-fu-sca-tion… to the land, I say
to you, where fertilizer hangs from the trees like Spanish
moss... to that cistern of non-sequiturs... the land where
no math is known…. Yes! I am speaking of that vile
sanctum of braindead barely post pubescent
white boys..... Loose Change Forum v.2.

Yet, our valiant Juustin has returned, perhaps minus
a few brain cells, but nevertheless back to the bosom of
logic and rational thinking.

For your dedication to truth and your steadfast rejection of
[[URL="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=681416#rule8"]rule8 (http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif)], we bestow upon you the highest honor at JREF/CT

The Blue Badge of Honor and Courage.

Wear it proudly for you have braved the harshest
conditions of sheer stupidity known to man.

___________________________________________

Oliver

3rd April 2007, 10:12 AM

Well I'm touched. Thanks Oliver. I never noticed it before, but why does the gender change part way through?

So now I've been banned at both LC forums does that make me a Ninja?

Well, Ninjas usually operate within the underground. I guess that
simple Skeptics arguing over there are a separate category. :confused:

*lol* :D Sorry for the typo within the speech - I have to change
the gender if it's a male or female banning and I missed the "her"
in your speech. :boxedin:

Juustin

3rd April 2007, 12:40 PM

Thanks Oliver!

I was surprised how fast mine happened. I had been on there making posts, obviously mocking every thread I was in. One one occasion, a Twoofer even accused me of being a fake, and boy, was he a bright one! He asked me to explain what I believed "the Truth" to be, so I gave him a combination of every insane argument they use, including theories that obviously contradict each other.

I guess the last straw was in the "No more no plane nonsense" thread, in which I asked Dylan to ban all the other theories that were obviously flawed and made the Truth movement like silly, including theories about thermite, CD, missiles, Star Wars beams, and government involvement. I was banned in about 15 seconds.

Oliver

5th April 2007, 12:49 AM

Did someone notice that they're on JREF promotion tour again?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6811&view=getnewpost

http://209.85.12.231/10688/74/emo/whistling.gif

uk_dave

5th April 2007, 01:51 AM

Did someone notice that they're on JREF promotion tour again?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6811&view=getnewpost

http://209.85.12.231/10688/74/emo/whistling.gif

ooooooooooo page two of that thread is a thing of beauty.

poster e^n has responded in a cool, intelligent and respectful way to every piece of woo thrown his/her way by the 'truthers'

I particularily liked the way 'raven' bowed out after being asked a question he just could not answer.........

Raven:
Now that is trolling and you have been reported. Have a nice day. :)

Oliver

5th April 2007, 02:11 AM

ooooooooooo page two of that thread is a thing of beauty.

poster e^n has responded in a cool, intelligent and respectful way to every piece of woo thrown his/her way by the 'truthers'

I particularily liked the way 'raven' bowed out after being asked a question he just could not answer.........

Maybe E^n is Russel Pickering's sock - Russel is famous for
debunking 9/11 stuff and it would explain his disappearance: :p

It’s also very disturbing that one the very few moderators he has at his large and popular forum is Russell Pickering (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showuser=3) who spends most of his time (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=12) trying to prove an AA Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon which goes directly against one of the main points in Dylan’s movie Loose Change which advocates that no plane hit the Pentagon (http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/pentagon.html). What’s up with that???

e^n

5th April 2007, 04:30 AM

Maybe E^n is Russel Pickering's sock - Russel is famous for
debunking 9/11 stuff and it would explain his disappearance: :p

I'm afraid not, I'm just some guy from the UK who's been debating a friend over MSN for the last 6 months and decided to take a more active role in 'truthseeking'.

Calcas

5th April 2007, 07:05 AM

I'm afraid not, I'm just some guy from the UK who's been debating a friend over MSN for the last 6 months and decided to take a more active role in 'truthseeking'.

Well, you're doing a pretty good job of it over there.

So good, in fact, that I predict they ban you soon. :D

SkepticGuy

5th April 2007, 07:28 AM

Fixations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation) such as this are rarely healthy, and seems to be leading to obsessive behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive-compulsive_disorder) in some contributors to this thread.

"Board wars" are so 1997 and childish.

This is a very sad representation of motto printed below the "James Randi Education Foundation" logo at the top of the page.

Disbelief

5th April 2007, 07:53 AM

I'm afraid not, I'm just some guy from the UK who's been debating a friend over MSN for the last 6 months and decided to take a more active role in 'truthseeking'.

Haha. You verbally abused Raven and he/she had absolutely no answer for you. Funny how he/she tried to trap you about physics and then equate that to your knowledge of what happened.

I have been reading over there, and they are a bit loony. I thought about joining to join in on some of the discussions, but if you do not agree they call for you to be banned.

uk_dave

5th April 2007, 08:06 AM

This is a very sad representation of motto printed below the "James Randi Education Foundation" logo at the top of the page.

Oh, I'd never read that far.

Gravy

5th April 2007, 08:25 AM

There are obsessions, and then there are obsessions (http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/product.asp?content_area=6&sub_area=139&product_area=139). Countering the spread of misinformation about a serious subject strikes me as an act worthy of the JREF. It's done well here, if not always elegantly. I'd be worried if passions weren't inflamed by the nature of the subject and the nastiness of the truther claims.

Mobyseven

18th May 2007, 09:52 PM

Thought it might be time to resurrect this thread, as there are a number of people in line to receive a ban badge for LC...:D

HannibalGroup

19th May 2007, 12:46 AM

Me!

stateofgrace

19th May 2007, 02:10 AM

Ok here is a little discussion that is going on the LCF, bearing in mind that the members on this board believe themselves to be mature, adult and the saviors of humanity. Plus it is worth remembering that Dylan as stated they ban members who will not engage in adult conversation. The discussion is about Elisabeth Hasselbeck. For those that cannot view this board or those that do not wish to view here is the level of mature adult conversation that is taking place about some lady who happens not to agree with them.

Matthew Brown.

Am I the only one she's pissing off?

The highwayman

NO!

reggie-perrin
shes a complete bootlicking piece of dog turd.
chrisfarb
She makes me cringe but she's kinda hot. I wouldn't under estimate her bitch factor or her ability stir up some **** against us when the Pop Mechanic guys come on.

j911ob
i would love to hate **** her. Shes a braindead little slag.

terrorcell
No one is that stupid unless they are paid to be.

Matthew Brown
Both are extremely intelligent people, but are pond-scum, as well.

clanabis

I think I could **** the truth into her.

Yes Dylan, a very mature board you run there, not in the slightest bit offensive and I am glad to see you clamp down on any form of distasteful posts.

Ps I have no idea who this lady is but if this is mature,adult conversation and the way to deal with your critics LC, it is little wonder you are not taken seriously.

ref

19th May 2007, 02:27 AM

Yes Dylan, a very mature board you run there, not in the slightest bit offensive and I am glad to see you clamp down on any form of distasteful posts.

Ps I have no idea who this lady is but if this is mature,adult conversation and the way to deal with your critics LC, it is little wonder you are not taken seriously.

That thread was just incredible. What a quality for LC people. Very nice image they are portraying. And Dylan doesn't move a muscle. These are his people.

And Elisabeth is a co-host of The View with Rosie.

Calcas

19th May 2007, 08:40 AM

"I would love to hate **** her..."

Do you think they realize "hate ****" = rape?

ref

19th May 2007, 08:56 AM

"I would love to hate **** her..."

Do you think they realize "hate ****" = rape?

At least that Nina did.

ETA: I see she wasn't quoted here, but she wrote in the original LC thread.

uk_dave

19th May 2007, 09:03 AM

The 'truthers' just keep on ticking those boxes...

Racist - Yes
Homophobic - Yes
Gun Loving - Yes
Mysoginistic - Yes
Liars - Yes
Totalitarian - Yes

It amazes me that they ever came to be associated with the liberal left in the US.

ref

19th May 2007, 09:07 AM

Mysoginistic - Yes

What does that mean? My dictionary is missing :cool:

uk_dave

19th May 2007, 09:14 AM

Mysogynistic

Hey, give me a break, I'm watching a very boring football match.:D

Comsat Angel

19th May 2007, 09:30 AM

Mysogynistic - irrational hatred of women.
Given the twoofer mindset, I'm sure they have to complete a tick-list of "Irrational hatreds" before they can join the Movement. Jews, JREF and Gravy are probably high on that list.

ref

19th May 2007, 09:32 AM

Mysogynistic

Hey, give me a break, I'm watching a very boring football match.:D

Man, I seriously didn't even know it was spelled wrong :D I just wanted to know what that phrase means. Someone explained, thanks :)

ref

19th May 2007, 09:35 AM

8den

20th May 2007, 04:05 AM

Mysogynistic

Hey, give me a break, I'm watching a very boring football match.:D

Poxy cup final, and that was definetly a United Goal. :mad:

uk_dave

20th May 2007, 07:38 AM

I didn't know you was allowed to push the goalkeeper over the line and then claim a goal :D

steve s

20th May 2007, 11:18 AM

I'm watching a very boring football match.:D

Aren't they all?:p

"And the game ends in another thrilling zero-zero tie."

Steve S.

8den

20th May 2007, 11:24 AM

I didn't know you was allowed to push the goalkeeper over the line and then claim a goal :D

Check the FA rules, you can if its a Chelski goalie.

Actually I was outraged because I only saw the incident once, on the six o'clock news, in hindsight, no, it wasn't a goal.

Rule8ing rule8s.

The Silver Shadow

20th May 2007, 11:29 AM

Aren't they all?:p

"And the game ends in another thrilling zero-zero tie."

Steve S.
Try having Murray Walker commentate a game, it should be interesting.

WHEN THE WHISTLE GOES OFF, THE FA CUP MATCH BEGINS, AND IT'S GO GO GO!!!!

steve s

20th May 2007, 11:37 AM

Try having Murray Walker commentate a game, it should be interesting.

When I was a kid back in the 70's, one of the channels (here in the U.S.) would show German soccer matches on Sunday mornings. I don't remember the announcer's name but he was British. He would always say things like "Oh, what a valiant effort by the Stuttgart team." Everything was a "valiant effort."

ETA: And it seemed like there were only a few teams in the league: Hamburg, Stuttgart, and Monchengladbach were the cities I remember hearing all the time.
Steve S.

8den

20th May 2007, 11:59 AM

Aren't they all?:p

"And the game ends in another thrilling zero-zero tie."

Steve S.

Hey my club has only had one 0-0 score this season and that was only after they'd won the title. Oh and before anyone who know's what they are on about gives me lip. Three points;

A) I was nearly called George.

B) I cried when Kevin Moran was sent off in 85.

C) I endured the Atkinson years.

Also on the subject, Americans are wusses who wear 20 pounds of padding to play rugby. And waha! Congratulations you managed to make cricket less complicated and more boring when you created baseball.

uk_dave

20th May 2007, 12:00 PM

Try having Murray Walker commentate a game, it should be interesting.

WHEN THE WHISTLE GOES OFF, THE FA CUP MATCH BEGINS, AND IT'S GO GO GO!!!!

If Murray Walker commentated on the FA cup final it would result in the ball exploding, three players suffering broken legs and wembley stadium collapsing at free-fall speed into it's own footprint.

Murray Walker : ".....he's gauranteed to win this grand prix now, nothing can stop him he's so far....HE'S CRASHED! HE'S CRASHED! ON THE LAST LAP!"

ETA: You just have to remember when Walker decided to change the way he pronounced 'ayrton senna' and then the poor sod crashed and died

8den

20th May 2007, 12:04 PM

If Murray Walker commentated on the FA cup final it would result in the ball exploding, three players suffering broken legs and wembley stadium collapsing at free-fall speed into it's own footprint.

Murray Walker : ".....he's gauranteed to win this grand prix now, nothing can stop him he's so far....HE'S CRASHED! HE'S CRASHED! ON THE LAST LAP!"

Nothing to Micheal O Heiher, who commented on Gaelic football and Hurling, who once coined an euphemism for a punch up between players as

""And it looks like there’s a bit of a schemozzle in the parallelogram"

He would also burst into spontateous Gaeilge when he got too excited. Frankly if you were too close to the radio spittles of spit would hit you in the face

The Silver Shadow

20th May 2007, 12:25 PM

I would've expected Murray Walker when he commentates during football matches to go crazy, similar to something like this:
"Mansell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Mansell) knows exactly where Senna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna) is because he can see him in his earphone."

qarnos

20th May 2007, 03:07 PM

If Murray Walker commentated on the FA cup final it would result in the ball exploding, three players suffering broken legs and wembley stadium collapsing at free-fall speed into it's own footprint.

Murray Walker : ".....he's gauranteed to win this grand prix now, nothing can stop him he's so far....HE'S CRASHED! HE'S CRASHED! ON THE LAST LAP!"

ETA: You just have to remember when Walker decided to change the way he pronounced 'ayrton senna' and then the poor sod crashed and died

My favorite Walker moment is: "This car is absolutely unique—except for the one following it, which is identical". :D

kookbreaker

20th May 2007, 04:16 PM

"I would love to hate **** her..."

Do you think they realize "hate ****" = rape?

They said much the same thing about Abby when she put out her video.

For that matter, anyone female who crosses their CT fantasies becomes so much grist for the rape fantasy mills.

uk_dave

20th May 2007, 04:19 PM

They said much the same thing about Abby when she put out her video.

For that matter, anyone female who crosses their CT fantasies becomes so much grist for the rape fantasy mills.

Truly sad, and somewhat scarey, ****.
I very much doubt that Rosie would approve of their attitude toward her co-host, regardless of how she might disagree with her. Avery might want to consider that.

kookbreaker

20th May 2007, 04:26 PM

Just to give you an idea:

http://abbyscott.blogspot.com/2006/09/internet-tough-guys.html

Sickening, really.

jackchit

20th May 2007, 04:32 PM

Check the FA rules, you can if its a Chelski goalie.

Actually I was outraged because I only saw the incident once, on the six o'clock news, in hindsight, no, it wasn't a goal.

Rule8ing rule8s.

If it was a foul then why did the ref not blow for a foul??
As we know he didn't so as the ball clearly crossed the line it should have been a goal.

GlennB

20th May 2007, 04:47 PM

Unless he didn't see it had crossed the line, in which case play continues...
Or he did ... and ignored it, diplomatically.
All is politics :)

8den

20th May 2007, 05:49 PM

If it was a foul then why did the ref not blow for a foul??
As we know he didn't so as the ball clearly crossed the line it should have been a goal.

Head in hands, speaking slowly and calmly.

Jack please tell me you're not turning the sodding FA cup final into a conspiracy.

jackchit

21st May 2007, 02:30 AM

Head in hands, speaking slowly and calmly.

Jack please tell me you're not turning the sodding FA cup final into a conspiracy.

Why? are you going to debunk the ball crossing the line?
personally I couldn't care less who won the trophy I'm a fan of neither.
The ball crossed the line "goal" simple.....even for you.

Architect

21st May 2007, 02:35 AM

You know, it occurs to me that if we apply Jack's principles, Maradona's "hand of God" was a conspiracy betwixt the football authorities, the referee, and the Argentinian team to defraud England out of the Cup. Doubtless orchestrated by the SFA, for our hatred of England is well know and document! Look at the amount of Scots in positions of power!! They could easily hamper/fiddle/direct the inquiry!!!

Mancman

21st May 2007, 05:14 AM

I dunnae think it was a goal, Cech had come to a complete stop with the ball in his hands and only crossed the line after Giggs bumped him o'er it. I'm a ManYoo fan an' all.

Architect

21st May 2007, 05:20 AM

Clearly you're a NWO football shill.

;)

jackchit

21st May 2007, 05:47 AM

Architect

21st May 2007, 05:53 AM

No conspiracy, just a linesman with bad eyesight.
Some people just can't see whats is clear to others.

My goodness, they'll throw you out of LCF for that kind of sensible comment!

JimBenArm

21st May 2007, 05:54 AM

The ball crossed the line.
the ref didn't blow for an infringment
so the goal should have been given.
No conspiracy, just a linesman with bad eyesight.
Some people just can't see whats is clear to others.
Who cares about this? Seriously. What does this have to do with a damn thing? It's a stupid game, and you're arguing like it matters. Grow up!

Architect

21st May 2007, 05:58 AM

How little you understand to importance of football (aka soccer) to some in the UK.

I'm a rugby man, myself.

JimBenArm

21st May 2007, 06:17 AM

How little you understand to importance of football (aka soccer) to some in the UK.

I'm a rugby man, myself.
Yeah. It's not like it was something that mattered like American Football. After all, he was clearly interfering with the receiver when he caught the touchdown pass!:D

Architect

21st May 2007, 06:21 AM

Yeah. It's not like it was something that mattered like American Football. After all, he was clearly interfering with the receiver when he caught the touchdown pass!:D

You mean rugby for poofs?

T.A.M.

21st May 2007, 06:23 AM

lol...Football (aka Soccer) to Europeans, and in fact, to most of the non North American World, is like Baseball is to a RedSox Fan x 100.

TAM:)

JimBenArm

21st May 2007, 06:23 AM

You mean rugby for poofs?
That's right!:D

Architect

21st May 2007, 06:25 AM

lol...Football (aka Soccer) to Europeans, and in fact, to most of the non North American World, is like Baseball is to a RedSox Fan x 100.

TAM:)

Yes, we have World Cups which actually involve most of the World.

And before I get any sarky comments, even the Rugby World Cup has a good spread of teams now. In fact I seem to recall Canada doing rather well.... ;)

chipmunk stew

21st May 2007, 06:34 AM

You mean rugby for poofs?

It's not just poofs, dad!

Architect

21st May 2007, 06:41 AM

It's not just poofs, dad!

Seriously, having seen the size of these guys I'd never call them that to their face.

You have to wonder about all that padding though, eh?

kookbreaker

21st May 2007, 07:38 AM

You mean rugby for poofs?

:p :p :p :p :p

Bah. I could go and play a whole game with professional rugby players. I would be bruised and beaten, but on the whole, intact.

If I went to play a single set of downs in American Football, I would be ensured of injuries Rugby players could not imagine on their worse day. Ten years after that set of downs I might even have trouble tying my shoes on my own.

'poofs' indeed!

jackchit

21st May 2007, 01:04 PM

My goodness, they'll throw you out of LCF for that kind of sensible comment!

They nearly did when I was outed as a sheffield wednesday fan, our club badge has an owl and we are known as the owls... I had to reassure them it wasn't a NWO owl.

CptColumbo

21st May 2007, 01:35 PM

They nearly did when I was outed as a sheffield wednesday fan, our club badge has an owl and we are known as the owls... I had to reassure them it wasn't a NWO owl.
Was it a WWE owl?:)

Brainache

21st May 2007, 05:38 PM

They nearly did when I was outed as a sheffield wednesday fan, our club badge has an owl and we are known as the owls... I had to reassure them it wasn't a NWO owl.

If the NWO were running a Football Club, why would they choose Sheffield Wednesday? I mean Man U. or AC Milan I could understand, but Sheffield Wednesday?

jackchit

21st May 2007, 06:10 PM

If the NWO were running a Football Club, why would they choose Sheffield Wednesday? I mean Man U. or AC Milan I could understand, but Sheffield Wednesday?

I see the humour gene is absent in this specimen.

Brainache

21st May 2007, 06:22 PM

I see the humour gene is absent in this specimen.

I see your joke detector is broken.

ETA: I hate trying to explain my jokes to people. It may not have been the funniest one ever, but I still think it's better than saying "Ya big poof!" or "My eyes will be the last thing you see".

The joke was that if the NWO as a global conspiracy existed and if they were to run a FC as you implied the cretins at LC believe(I know that was a joke BTW) then they would probably have the resources to run a good team, not the bunch of losers that you support. To put it in terms you might understand: Yah boo Sheffield Wednesday are a bunch of poofs!