The Loose Change forum

[GlennB]

The forum
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php
tells me :

"you do not have permission to view this board"

The place seemed to be crawling with sceptics, so I was speaking pretty freely.

Is it up the creek or have I been banned? Seems very unfair <sob>

[VespaGuy]

The forum
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php
tells me :

"you do not have permission to view this board"

The place seemed to be crawling with sceptics, so I was speaking pretty freely.

Is it up the creek or have I been banned? Seems very unfair <sob>


I'm getting the same message. I think the site's down. This happened a few weeks ago, too - it lasted a day or two.

[Firestone]

Works just fine for me.

And funny as always. :D

[chippy]

Tell IVXX I say hello. He and his cohorts have banned me like four times.

[Firestone]

Works just fine for me.

And funny as always. :DWell, that was 10 minutes ago. Now I can't get in anymore! :eye-poppi

[Architect]

I was reading it for the first time (yes, really!) this morning.

The quality of arguments and "evidence" is absolutely terrible! Is that really the best they can do?

[bonavada]

Well, that was 10 minutes ago. Now I can't get in anymore! :eye-poppi

working now........

BV

[uk_dave]

Works just fine for me.

And funny as always. :D

Sadly, it works fine for me too.

[HeyLeroy]

I was reading it for the first time (yes, really!) this morning.

The quality of arguments and "evidence" is absolutely terrible! Is that really the best they can do?

Yes.

[Horatius]

I was reading it for the first time (yes, really!) this morning.

The quality of arguments and "evidence" is absolutely terrible! Is that really the best they can do?

Where did you think all our twoofers came from? It's not just Gravy putting on a puppet show for our amusement, you know. They actually exist :)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Where did you think all our twoofers came from? It's not just Gravy putting on a puppet show for our amusement, you know. They actually exist :)
You have to admit though, LCF is some sort of Kuyper Belt for Truthers.

[Horatius]

You have to admit though, LCF is some sort of Kuyper Belt for Truthers.

So now we just need to figure out what disturbs their orbit, to send them smashing into our Inner Planets of Rationality, and blow the frak out of that thing, and we're okay...

[Architect]

Where did you think all our twoofers came from? It's not just Gravy putting on a puppet show for our amusement, you know. They actually exist :)

I kinda assumed they had better big guns hiding somewhere....:boggled:

[Firestone]

I think I have been banned at the LC-forum ! :eye-poppi

It says "Group: Gone" under my nickname, and I can't log in.

And I was being really nice over there ... :)

If this is the case, it's the first time ever I get banned on a forum, actually!

[Minadin]

Geez, I just went over there to browse a bit and I had to register to help Killtown avoid a major blunder. He was JAQ'ing about why the FDR's last recorded altitude for Flight 93 was ~2,000 ft, and about 9 seconds of Google "research" by me revealed that the elevation of Shanksville is listed at 2,230 ft.

I hope I haven't become tainted somehow.

[Anti-sophist]

Looks like you guys have been swept up in the latest wave of fascism. They will to go any lengths to stop the impending police state... oh wait...

[GlennB]

I think I have been banned at the LC-forum ! :eye-poppi

It says "Group: Gone" under my nickname, and I can't log in.

And I was being really nice over there ... :)

If this is the case, it's the first time ever I get banned on a forum, actually!

Yep - I'm "Gone" too :boggled: Ah well.

[Horatius]

I kinda assumed they had better big guns hiding somewhere....:boggled:

I think someone found their "Big Guns" earlier this morning....Oh, yes, here it is:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2230161#post2230161


:)

[JonnyFive]

I kinda assumed they had better big guns hiding somewhere....:boggled:

These are the people that think that anyone saying the word "explosion", even if prefaced by "sounded like", is conclusive proof that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition.

The posters we see here are their big guns.

[T.A.M.]

I kinda assumed they had better big guns hiding somewhere....:boggled:

Look up Scholars for 9/11 truth
Look up Scholars for 9/11 truth and justice

If there are "Big Guns" to be had in their movement, they are likely listed there.

TAM

[Architect]

Aye, it's worrying - isn't it. Loons, the lot of them.

[Oliver]

No problem here...

A lot of skeptics say on the JREF board that they've suddenly and without any warning been banned from Loose Change Forum during last couple of days. And it sure seems that many skeptical writers now have text "Gone" under their nicks.

Can any moderators explain the reason for this mass banning? I think we shouldn't ban skeptics but just lay the hard evidence in front of them to drive them away or perhaps even make some of them see the truth

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71839 (http://www.ftp-proxy.info/nph-proxy.pl/111110A/http/forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71839)

Most (like 95%) can not follow simple forum rules and insult, mock, ridicule, and troll. 5% possibly get caught in the crossfire!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

How weird, there only posted rule is still

RULES

The Loose Change Forums are a place for the intelligent, respectful exchange of ideas.

Certain theories perceived as extreme and divisive will be moderated at the discretion of the administration.

This is a privately owned forum and the administration reserves the right to restrict the participation of any user that is deemed disruptive for any reason.

Please take a minute to read the Invision rules which we are also subject to in detail.

Thank you.

Invision Rules (http://invisionfree.com/index.php?p=tou)
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=boardrules


Ohhhhh, they meant the unspoken rules. nvm

[GlennB]

Most (like 95%) can not follow simple forum rules and insult, mock, ridicule, and troll. 5% possibly get caught in the crossfire!

Ah.
I did suggest to Killtown that he might think about taking up a new hobby.
Oopsie.

[Firestone]

War With Iran On March 28th?, Line in the sand (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2130)

mynameis notes that "someone" predicts the war with Iran will start on 28/3.
His source:

A senior Russian parliamentary official and leader of the ultranationalist Liberal Democratic Vladimir Zhirinovsky believes that a U.S. attack on Iran is inevitable, he has told Ekho Moskvy radio station.

“The war is inevitable because the Americans want this war,” he said. “Any country claiming a leading position in the world will need to wage wars. Otherwise it will simply not be able to retain its leading position. The date for the strike is already known — it is the election day in Israel (March 28). It is also known how much that war will cost,” Zhirinovsky said.

Mosnews (http://mosnews.com/news/2006/02/07/vzhiriran.shtml) of 2/2/2006

It's Zhirinovsky, and it was last year, but these are probably details only a left-brainer cares about!

Reaction of ross11988: "great, both are around the time of Final Cut". :eye-poppi

Reaction of look-up: "beware, for the neo-cons are certainly scrambling to find a cure for this movement, and another war may do just that... we have expose as much as possible before another war, especially a nuclear war, breaks out."

Are they for real? Is it satire that I just don't get?

[Mancman]

I haven't been able to access the site for a few days now so I assume I'm banned. I signed up with the intention of being extremely patronising and contemptuous to the established idiots, Killtown in particular, so it is no surprise really.

They really are a pathetic bunch of utterly deluded halfwits. How many more times can they say 'faster than freefall' or 'WTC6 WAS PULLED OMGDZ'. Makes me blood boil.

[Oliver]

It´s not really important to read the board. They are dead.

The January "Loose Change Lounge" Report:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=6

Thread: "Need Help Urgent (Pages 1 2 )
I have a meeting with my state rep"http://locator.apahelpcenter.org/

Thread: "Msnbc Is Dying"Faster than the Truthmovement?

Thread: "War With Iran On March 28th?
Line in the sand"Predictions of a conspiracy reader

Thread: "Dr Thomas Boyle On The Neocons
A great interview!"Interviewer: Dr.Thomas, what do you think about the neocons?
Dr. Boyle: They will lose the next elections. Good night.
Interviewer: Indeed, thanks for your time.

Thread: "Jimmy Walter's Site Down?"Evil Pen and Teller bastards! :D

Thread: "Giving Illegal Immigrants A Free Pass
with the help of *satellite navigation*!""Rei, is that a part of swastika on your banner?" (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2121) :D

Thread: "Saddam Video?
Only The Cell Phone Version?" "I'm not trying to sound like a sick freak who wants to see someone die, but I just want to see it."

Thread: "We Need Not Stinking Warrant.
Isn't he clear?""Found a video on tha innanet. LOL. LOL. LOL"

Thread: "Ides Of March?"October surprise: March edition

Thread: "I Knew It!"We, too. Welcome to the truth.

Thread: "People With No Foresight
and homosexual sheep"Hey Kramer! Gotta read this! :D

Thread: "Our Police State Of Amerika
Very Shamefull"Of Ameri-ka? Or america?

Thread: "Bush Signs Law To Open Your Mail
Bush Is Reading Your Mail"Oh, that explains the "Bushisms". :D

Thread: "Is There A Free Pc To Phone Software?
now that skype is no longer free"Translation: My name is Ill-Clown - want to mock another
9/11 eyewitness - anonymously, off course. :rolleyes:

Thread: "Why Have These Movies Been Forgotten?"Because they started with "Loose..."

Thread: "To Batmanchester
Small Question"Hey Bat: How to use this PM thing?

Thread: "Dylan"He may be still in jedi-trance...

Thread: "No Plane. New Vid"No Brain. New Vid.
yojJhxoL1ag

Thread: "Martial Law: Rise Of The Police State"Alex Jones: "Fall Of The American Education"


Thread: "Fliers For School
Passing this 1-pager sample out."Truth now! Puberty later!


Thread: "Happy Birthday Me!
HECK YES !!""I´m 14!" ... Oh dear! :covereyes


Oh, by the way:
Happy Birthday, Bell! :cheerleader2

[Bell]

Thread: "Happy Birthday Me!
HECK YES !!"

"I´m 14!" ... Oh dear! :covereyes


Oh, by the way:
Happy Birthday, Bell! :cheerleader2

Thanks Ollie :) Now I don't have to start a happy birthday thread myself. How sad must you be, if you do that? :eek:

Great replies btw - for a German ;)

[Oliver]

Thanks Ollie :) Now I don't have to start a happy birthday thread myself. How sad must you be, if you do that? :eek:

Great replies btw - for a German ;)


Fixed. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2231700#post2231700) http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/happy025.gif

[T.A.M.]

Happy Bday Bell.

TAM:)

[jhunter1163]

Happy Birthday Bell. Have a beer for me. Maybe two.

John

[Bell]

Thanks, all! :)

Happy Birthday Bell. Have a beer for me. Maybe two.

John

Got that covered ;)

[LashL]

Happy Birthday, Bell!!!

Cheers,
Lash

[Horatius]

Thanks Ollie :) Now I don't have to start a happy birthday thread myself. How sad must you be, if you do that? :eek:

Great replies btw - for a German ;)

Yeah, it almost makes me think Rowan Atkinson was wrong about Germans.


No, that can't be it. Oliver must secretly be Austrian. Or Australian, they're pretty much the same, right? :)

[Horatius]

War With Iran On March 28th?, Line in the sand (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2130)



And now they're implying that Canada is in on it as well. As if the Cool Kids in DC would hang out with us :)

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2023

Links to this article:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070102/dirty_bomb_070102/20070102?hub=Canada

Which they're implying is meant to mislead us all about the likelyhood of an attack.

[Oliver]

Yeah, it almost makes me think Rowan Atkinson was wrong about Germans.

No, that can't be it. Oliver must secretly be Austrian. Or Australian, they're pretty much the same, right? :)


that´s an easy one: I´ve read too much of Terry Pratchett, Douglas
Adams and Paul Doherty. :p Oh, and the Pythons, of course. :D

[Bell]

Yeah, it almost makes me think Rowan Atkinson was wrong about Germans.

Baldrick: I've heard what these Germans will do, Sir. They'll have their wicked way with anything of woman-born.

Edmund: Well, in that case, Baldrick, you're quite safe. However, the Teutonic reputation for brutality is well-founded: their operas last three or four days; and they have no word for 'fluffy'.

No, that can't be it. Oliver must secretly be Austrian. Or Australian, they're pretty much the same, right? :)

Lloyd: Austria? You're kidding. Well, g'day, mate. What do you say we get together later and throw a few shrimp on the barbie.

[Horatius]

Lloyd: Austria? You're kidding. Well, g'day, mate. What do you say we get together later and throw a few shrimp on the barbie.

Hey, beer, funny accents, you have to take a plane to get there. I stand by my assertion.

[Coritani]

I was running around on the LC forum arguing against the loons - no flaming or trolling, or anything. Then, bang, a few days ago, I was banned. Still haven't figured out why.

The amount of question dodging is staggering. I was asking some Snake_Plisken guy if he had any physical evidence of bombs and he spouted some nonsense about it being a covert op. I got a similar response from another guy.

He also said that linking sources to his assertions was 'pointless'.

Alot of people there need to look at the facts.

[Oliver]

I was running around on the LC forum arguing against the loons - no flaming or trolling, or anything. Then, bang, a few days ago, I was banned. Still haven't figured out why.

The amount of question dodging is staggering. I was asking some Snake_Plisken guy if he had any physical evidence of bombs and he spouted some nonsense about it being a covert op. I got a similar response from another guy.

He also said that linking sources to his assertions was 'pointless'.

Alot of people there need to look at the facts.

Welcome on Board, Coritani. :)

Did you talk to someone called "Killtown" before getting banned?

[Coritani]

Welcome on Board, Coritani. :)

Did you talk to someone called "Killtown" before getting banned?

Hi!

Yes, I did. He was one of the worst people on the forums (intelligence, and debating ability wise), and boy is that saying something. When I told him about some of the lies in LC, he called them 'poor writing', and whenever I asked him for sources on assertions he made, he either dodged or mysteriously disappeared from the thread.

What ticks me off about the LC forums (and 9/11 CTs in general) is the high and mighty approach they take to debating - some of them seriously need to get off their high horse.

[Oliver]

Hi!

Yes, I did. He was one of the worst people on the forums (intelligence, and debating ability wise), and boy is that saying something. When I told him about some of the lies in LC, he called them 'poor writing', and whenever I asked him for sources on assertions he made, he either dodged or mysteriously disappeared from the thread.

What ticks me off about the LC forums (and 9/11 CTs in general) is the high and mighty approach they take to debating - some of them seriously need to get off their high horse.

In my opinion they seriously need to get out under their dead horses. :D
Maybe crybaby "Ill - Clown" whined to the admins again to ban you for
being a troll, shill, JREF´er or something. :rolleyes:

[Bell]

Hi!

Yes, I did. He was one of the worst people on the forums (intelligence, and debating ability wise), and boy is that saying something. When I told him about some of the lies in LC, he called them 'poor writing', and whenever I asked him for sources on assertions he made, he either dodged or mysteriously disappeared from the thread.

What ticks me off about the LC forums (and 9/11 CTs in general) is the high and mighty approach they take to debating - some of them seriously need to get off their high horse.

Dude... http://www.mazeguy.net/angry/duh.gif

Loose Change: Asking questions, demanding answers... but not realworld answers. You should have known ;)

[Coritani]

Dude...

Loose Change: Asking questions, demanding answers... but not realworld answers. You should have known ;)

I know. How foolish I was for not realising that "Ask Questions...Demand Answers" is actually CT-code for "Ask Questions... Demand Answers that suit our theory".

Happy Birthday, by the way.

[Bell]

I know. How foolish I was for not realising that "Ask Questions...Demand Answers" is actually CT-code for "Ask Questions... Demand Answers that suit our theory".

Happy Birthday, by the way.

Thanks Coritani.

I can still access LC, but that's because I never posted there. I use my account to keep an eye on them - and report back to my NWO supervisor.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Ya know, I'm really starting to think that LCF has bolstered our membership more than their own.

[TheGrunion]

Ya know, I'm really starting to think that LCF has bolstered our membership more than their own.

QFT.

I never would have known what JREF is, if I didn't get banned and accused of being a "JREF'er" on the pre-meltdown LC board.

On a somewhat related topic, I strongly believe that the tinhatters that lack any discernable social skills (JDX, Lyte, Merc, Killtown, etc.) push many more fence sitters towards us than they attract.

[Kochanski]

Ok, I have been avoiding Cloud Cuckoo Land for a while, mostly because I like my computer. I figured it would get very abused as I got angry at the numbbrains there. I have now registered at their forum. Lets see how long I last just viewing their stuff.

[Horatius]

What ticks me off about the LC forums (and 9/11 CTs in general) is the high and mighty approach they take to debating - some of them seriously need to get off their high horse.

Take a look at some of the posts by 28th Kingdom (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=13509) here if you want to see "High and Mighty". Quite the pest, but if you rattle his cage enough, you'll be added to his Illustrious List of People Who Are Smarter Than Him, otherwise known as his ignore list.

Just be glad you're now at a forum where you're allowed to point that sh#t out without being banned.

And Welcome!

[kookbreaker]

The amount of question dodging is staggering. I was asking some Snake_Plisken guy if he had any physical evidence of bombs and he spouted some nonsense about it being a covert op. I got a similar response from another guy.


Its part of the troofer definitions: 'Covert Op' = Magic.

Usage:

Troofer: So Silverstein and the CIA decided to take advantage of the governemnt CD's by planting some explosives of his own in WTC7

Sane Human: Wait...how did he set up and place enough explosives to bring down the building the same day?

Troofer: It was a covert op.

Sane Human: Wait, that doesn't explain away the impossibility of planting enough explosives in one day, let alone how these explosives were silent, and they were planted in a building that was on fire.

Troofer: Dude! Covert op! COVERT OP!

[Dog Town]

Thread: "Ides Of March?"

Old, I.Maiden, good...

ETA: Welcome to the second wave, of mass bannings. Badges on the left!

[Oliver]

Old, I.Maiden, good...

ETA: Welcome to the second wave, of mass bannings. Badges on the left!

Ooops, i forgot:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745910d8e709dd.gif
Congratulations to all of you,

keep up the fine work, and wear your badges
proudly so everyone can see that you are on
the upward trail.

[~enigma~]

Did they ban pdoh yet?

[Oliver]

Did they ban pdoh yet?

Yep - he was "gone"-ing some days ago. :rolleyes:

[~enigma~]

Yep - he was "gone"-ing some days ago. :rolleyes:
Didn't those woo woo idiots worship him last month? Only why I could understand them banning him is plain censorship or shall I say those that accuse are generally the offenders. They say the US is facist yet they practice censorship...great example of honesty :)

[Oliver]

Didn't those woo woo idiots worship him last month? Only why I could understand them banning him is plain censorship or shall I say those that accuse are generally the offenders. They say the US is facist yet they practice censorship...great example of honesty :)

Maybe i should sew some:

"Hitler would be proud of me"
-badges for them?

:rolleyes:

[chacal]

War With Iran On March 28th?, Line in the sand (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2130)

mynameis notes that "someone" predicts the war with Iran will start on 28/3.
His source:



It's Zhirinovsky, and it was last year, but these are probably details only a left-brainer cares about!

Reaction of ross11988: "great, both are around the time of Final Cut". :eye-poppi

Reaction of look-up: "beware, for the neo-cons are certainly scrambling to find a cure for this movement, and another war may do just that... we have expose as much as possible before another war, especially a nuclear war, breaks out."

Are they for real? Is it satire that I just don't get?


Vladimir Zhirinovsky is bats**t insane. For example in the 90' he wrote a book about hes plans. I read the book back then and it doesn't fall short of Mein Kampf. He wants to expand the Russian "empire" to the indian ocean and ofcourse invade countries that in hes opinion are part of Russia like Finland. Vladimir ofcourse would be the leader of this loving new Russian empire as he explains in hes book. He's a megalomaniac or worse though looks like hes rise to power didn't go as smoothly as he fantasizes in the book.

[MG1962]

You have to admit though, LCF is some sort of Kuyper Belt for Truthers.

Thanks a lot, thats another computer screen of coffee I have to clean up :D

[Firestone]

No problem here...A lot of skeptics say on the JREF board that they've suddenly and without any warning been banned from Loose Change Forum during last couple of days. And it sure seems that many skeptical writers now have text "Gone" under their nicks.

Can any moderators explain the reason for this mass banning? I think we shouldn't ban skeptics but just lay the hard evidence in front of them to drive them away or perhaps even make some of them see the truth
marleylives thread complaining about the recent banning wave has apparently been removed !

What a sad forum !

Since the beer has been provided for, here my contribution to Bell's birthday!

http://i3.tinypic.com/3y7cxfd.jpg

[jhunter1163]

Ok, I have been avoiding Cloud Cuckoo Land for a while, mostly because I like my computer. I figured it would get very abused as I got angry at the numbbrains there. I have now registered at their forum. Lets see how long I last just viewing their stuff.

Is Cloud Cuckoo Land a Britishism or something? I have a nifty techno album by the Lightning Seeds named that. Just wondering...

[eddyk]

It sure appears they have gone back on their 'we won't ban sceptics on sight' policy anymore.

[jhunter1163]

They won't ban us skeptics on sight as long as we don't say anything, ah, skeptical. They want us to just stay in the closet, as it were.

[Oliver]

They won't ban us skeptics on sight as long as we don't say anything, ah, skeptical. They want us to just stay in the closet, as it were.

It doesn´t really matter because the board is pretty
dead - especially without the sceptics (~90%) :D

Let´s wait until the LCFC "hype" begins. Maybe some-
one will watch it and stumble over the ruins that was
a board once upon a time. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen152.gif

[Brainache]

"For I am Averymandias, look on my works ye mighty and despair"

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Not unlike what happened on that homeopathic forum back around mid-summer

eta: mid-winter for your southern hemisphere types

[Kaarjuus]

Is Cloud Cuckoo Land a Britishism or something? I have a nifty techno album by the Lightning Seeds named that. Just wondering...

Cloud cuckoo land.

[chacal]

It doesn´t really matter because the board is pretty
dead - especially without the sceptics (~90%) :D

Let´s wait until the LCFC "hype" begins. Maybe some-
one will watch it and stumble over the ruins that was
a board once upon a time. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen152.gif

Looks like someone is watching it like a hawk because I started posting the about half hours ago. After I made few posts some of them disappeared... umm now I can't even view the board even though I deleted all my cookies. I get "You do not have permission to view this board". I wonder did all my older posts get deleted too?

My first badge? Am I so proud now:D


ETA: I can view it, just had to open a new window.

[Architect]

Is Cloud Cuckoo Land a Britishism or something? I have a nifty techno album by the Lightning Seeds named that. Just wondering...



I've heard Canadians, Antipodeans, and South Africans use it.......

[Horatius]

They won't ban us skeptics on sight as long as we don't say anything, ah, skeptical. They want us to just stay in the closet, as it were.

Does that mean one day a year, we can go out on a "Skeptics Pride" parade, where we all dress up as scientists and Sherlock Holmes, and shout, "We're here, we think, get used to it!"?

Although it would be nice if we could rhyme....

[Kochanski]

Is Cloud Cuckoo Land a Britishism or something? I have a nifty techno album by the Lightning Seeds named that. Just wondering...

I am going to have to check that album out.

Aristophanes was a pretty cool dude ;) The twoofers may not be optimistic, but their world seems to be Cloud Cuckoo Land to me :p

[Bell]

marleylives thread complaining about the recent banning wave has apparently been removed !

What a sad forum !

Since the beer has been provided for, here my contribution to Bell's birthday!

http://i3.tinypic.com/3y7cxfd.jpg

Thank you, that cake looks heerlijk :)
And cats are my favorite pets, how did you know ;)

[jhunter1163]

Thanks for the info. I'm not as up on ancient Greek as I should be.

And I recommend the Lightning Seeds album to anyone who enjoys techno music.

[chipmunk stew]

Does that mean one day a year, we can go out on a "Skeptics Pride" parade, where we all dress up as scientists and Sherlock Holmes, and shout, "We're here, we think, get used to it!"?

Although it would be nice if we could rhyme....
Pah! Leave the rhyming to the right-brainers!

...and to the "Limerick Challenge (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=4522)".

[jhunter1163]

We'd all dress in black and white (like facts) and carry banners with Gravy's woo-in-the-crosshairs picture on them. In New York, we'd draw big crowds. Of course, there are so many people in New York that you can get a crowd for anything.

[Architect]

Do we get travel expenses?

[Oliver]

We'd all dress in black and white (like facts) and carry banners with Gravy's woo-in-the-crosshairs picture on them. In New York, we'd draw big crowds. Of course, there are so many people in New York that you can get a crowd for anything.

It´s a little late but here are your badges, Chacal and John: :D


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif

[Mancman]

I know. How foolish I was for not realising that "Ask Questions...Demand Answers" is actually CT-code for "Ask Questions... Demand Answers that suit our theory".

Happy Birthday, by the way.

I think the current truther MO is 'Ask questions, ignore and/or fail to understand answers, ask questions again'

[Gord_in_Toronto]

"For I am Averymandias, look on my works ye mighty and despair"

Ozymandias
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Percy Bysshe Shelley

[HeyLeroy]

Thank you, that cake looks heerlijk :)
And cats are my favorite pets, how did you know ;)
The little button on that smoke detector over your shoulder? It's a camera.:D

Jeesh, I want a badge!!! I only got a month suspension for using the term
clitblister
And the way I used it, it's even debatable that I was referring to Troofers in general! For all they could ascertain from the context, maybe I'm a woman.:D

[Coritani]

Oh Dylan.

Dylan, aren't you going to check that Roxdog's "bullet in the head" threat before you get confirmation about "Mark Robert"'s identity? It's totally irrelevant if "Mark Roberts" is Mark Roberts. What's important is that Roxdog made a deaththreat to an actual living person, Mark Roberts of NYC.

What kind of board are you running here, Dylan? You ban skeptics for no reason what so ever but ignore things like death threats and Rei's swastika banner. Instead of asking Rei to remove her offensive banner, you remove my post in which I asked her about it.

This is very sad, Dylan.

Killtown then said:

Waaambulance to the rescue!MarleyLives replied:

Thanks for quoting me, KT. Now he has to make both posts vanish

Now. Dylan's reply?

I'll make you vanish, how's that?

Which he hastily changed to:

IVXX'll make you vanish, how's that?

Seriously, why do people follow this loon?

(note:I'd link to the posts, but I'm not allowed to use links yet. This stuff is in the 'Mark Roberts Debate' in 'The Lounge' section of the LC forum)

[Architect]

I'll make you vanish, how's that?


Hell, I'll take him on in a square go, if you like.

[R.Mackey]

Seriously, why do people follow this loon?

Because, like Avery, all of the supporters there are so invested in their paranoia and hatred (the Government, the Joos, pick a scapegoat, plenty to go around) that it's easier to hide behind a public face than to change.

As the "leader," Avery gets what he wants: supporters, enough sycophants that he can convince himself that he's doing A Good Thing. As "followers," the rest of that rabble get what they want: someone to believe in who reaffirms their selfish agendas.

All of this machinery greased, of course, by money and its attendant promotion. I'd love to get a look at Avery's accounting.

Still, though -- "I'll make you disappear"??? For a group that claims to oppose fascism, even I'm surprised to see such an obvious page taken from Stalin's playbook. Not that they have any teeth, mind you.

[Bell]

The little button on that smoke detector over your shoulder? It's a camera.:D

Have to remember not to walk around in my underwear when in sight of the 'smoke' detector. But at least when there's a fire, the police will know immediatly.

[Architect]

It's your birthday. Should you not be at the pub or something?

[Brainache]

Ozymandias
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Percy Bysshe Shelley

I knew that would happen. Next time someone gets a Python quote wrong, look out!

[Bell]

It's your birthday. Should you not be at the pub or something?

I don't celebrate my birthday. I have been working tonight ;)

[Geedubya]

Yeah, me too. No warning, no reason, just suddenly "not allowed to post on this board" or some such. I see you can view it if you delete your cookies.

As others have pointed out, they warn of a coming police state in the United States, and then proceed to implement one on their own board.

Thanks to everyone here for all the great debunking work you've done; I think perhaps one of the reasons for the quality of information found here is precisely because this forum does NOT limit debate, which then in turn limits the opportunity to debate, judge, weigh, and accept or reject hypotheses on the merits. Information on LC seems to be evaluated simply on the basis of whether or not it makes Dylan Avery and his movie look good.

[Coritani]

Yeah, me too. No warning, no reason, just suddenly "not allowed to post on this board" or some such. I see you can view it if you delete your cookies.

As others have pointed out, they warn of a coming police state in the United States, and then proceed to implement one on their own board.

Thanks to everyone here for all the great debunking work you've done; I think perhaps one of the reasons for the quality of information found here is precisely because this forum does NOT limit debate, which then in turn limits the opportunity to debate, judge, weigh, and accept or reject hypotheses on the merits. Information on LC seems to be evaluated simply on the basis of whether or not it makes Dylan Avery and his movie look good.Heavens, you too Geedubya? I saw you on the forums. I also didn't see you breaking any rules.

Geedubya, Antiman, Me, Eddykola, all banned. I'm surprised they haven't made Jonny Karate join the 'gone club' yet.

This forum is alot better - people here don't challenge the density of black holes.

[T.A.M.]

Welcome Geedubya and Coritani, to the JREF Forum on Conspiracy Theories. All opinions here are allowed, and people are rarely banned, and usually only if they repeatedly go against their TOS (Terms of Service) Agreement.

Stick around, and not only will you see alot of good discussion, but also a tonne of info here, on all aspects of 9/11.

TAM:)

[Elizabeth I]

Okay, as a result of this thread I finally went to the LC forum to check it out. I am fascinated to learn that the CBS eye, the Medal of Honor, and McDonald's arches are proof that the U.S. is in the hands of the evil Satanist Jewish Nazi world-dominating dictators.

More to the point, something that those of us to went to colleges in Texas OTHER than the University of Texas have always suspected is true: those Longhorns belong to the devil. You can tell by the fact that they TRY to slip that diabolical hand gesture by the rest of the world as an innocent school-spirit "Hook 'em Horns" sign.

I am truly perturbed by this evidence that actual lunacy is more widespread, and less often recognized, than I would have believed.

[Horatius]

I am truly perturbed by this evidence that actual lunacy is more widespread, and less often recognized, than I would have believed.

But on the plus side, they do have a great screencap of Gravy doing his Jedi Mind Trick. I think he learned it from Abby....

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1637&view=findpost&p=10953337

[CptColumbo]

Apparently, they didn't learn the lesson from the last melt-down either.

Many going to the LCF want to discuss and ask questions about the events of 9/11 and the evidence/investigation, and learn what happened that day from all sides and with an open mind. When they see any discenting opinion or evidence being squashed, many will be turned off and go to another site (hopefully this one), or get banned when they ask a sensitive question. I brought this up in a thread on LCF where Avery was posting and got banned.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Oh Dylan.



Killtown then said:

MarleyLives replied:



Now. Dylan's reply?



Which he hastily changed to:



Seriously, why do people follow this loon?

(note:I'd link to the posts, but I'm not allowed to use links yet. This stuff is in the 'Mark Roberts Debate' in 'The Lounge' section of the LC forum)

Someone needs to screenshot the "Dylan, aren't you going to check that Roxdog's "bullet in the head" threat before you get confirmation about "Mark Robert"'s identity? It's totally irrelevant if "Mark Roberts" is Mark Roberts. What's important is that Roxdog made a deaththreat to an actual living person, Mark Roberts of NYC.

What kind of board are you running here, Dylan? You ban skeptics for no reason what so ever but ignore things like death threats and Rei's swastika banner. Instead of asking Rei to remove her offensive banner, you remove my post in which I asked her about it.

This is very sad, Dylan. " portion, or better yet the OP containing the threat in case it needs to be used as evidence.

[Coritani]

Someone needs to screenshot the "Dylan, aren't you going to check that Roxdog's "bullet in the head" threat before you get confirmation about "Mark Robert"'s identity? It's totally irrelevant if "Mark Roberts" is Mark Roberts. What's important is that Roxdog made a deaththreat to an actual living person, Mark Roberts of NYC.

What kind of board are you running here, Dylan? You ban skeptics for no reason what so ever but ignore things like death threats and Rei's swastika banner. Instead of asking Rei to remove her offensive banner, you remove my post in which I asked her about it.

This is very sad, Dylan. " portion, or better yet the OP containing the threat in case it needs to be used as evidence.

I got screenshots of it all except for the original threat.

[StoneWT]

The hatred the kid is spewing is a reflection of what he feels every morning when he looks in the mirror. A death threat, especially from an emotionally disturbed kid, needs to be checked out by the authorities.

[Horatius]

I got screenshots of it all except for the original threat.

I tipped Gravy off to the original thread, so hopefuly he's got copies of it.

Don't worry, he's taking this seriously.

[Geedubya]

Heavens, you too Geedubya? I saw you on the forums. I also didn't see you breaking any rules.

Geedubya, Antiman, Me, Eddykola, all banned. I'm surprised they haven't made Jonny Karate join the 'gone club' yet.

This forum is alot better - people here don't challenge the density of black holes.

And we can add to the list that nice kid "Silver Shadow" the Muslim, who helped me with the tricky "prove it was Muslims who did 9/11" challenge, and mild-mannered "Mailman".

When you said "join the gone club", It triggered an old memory:

Rand introduces Charlie to Yeoman third class Tina Lawton, but Charlie is only interested in Rand and brushes Tina off. Kirk, doing his best to instill Charlie with manly qualities, attempts to teach him how to fight using some curious mallet objects. When Kirk's training partner Sam laughs at one of Charlie's falls, Charlie makes him "go away." This demonstrates to Kirk and Spock that Charlie has the power to manipulate matter. Kirk calls security guards to escort Charlie to his quarters, but Charlie objects and causes all phasers on the ship to vanish.

Like Charlie, and other practitioners of police states, when Dylan feels threatened or embarrassed, he simply makes people go away.

Nice trick, but will it endure?

[PerryLogan]

...or will you wind up with all these invisible people bugging the hell out of you? I have that problem.

[jhunter1163]

I was banned from LC after two posts, neither of which were particularly offensive. It would seem that Do-Over Dylan et al are tolerating no dissent whatever. Trying to make sure of who their real friends are, I guess.

[Horatius]

Trying to make sure of who their real friends are, I guess.

And ending up with nothing but a bunch of sycophantic yes-men. I wonder if they'll ever realize.....

[Oliver]

I wonder why Dylan is so pissed (r8?) - if i had "contract"
with "hollywood" and "explosive" "evidence", i would laugh
about the "sceptics" instead being worried. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107451d93669e73a.gif

:D

[VespaGuy]

Well, you can add me to the list of "banned from LC for no apparent reason". (I was "A Very Sly Denial"). No prior warnings. No breaking the forum rules. Just "poof", I was banned. It was obvious that I was a skeptic over there, but I never resorted to name-calling or insuts like the regulars at LC.

Although I did have a knack for killing threads by asking obvious questions. In a thread about how expensive the rents are in the new WTC7, the troothers were fawning all over each other about greedy ol' Silverstein (because Silverstein "obviously" was making so much money off of 9/11). I simply asked how much money Silverstein actually netted on 9/11. Not one person has answered. Not one.

If I had to guess, I'd say Killclown was the force behind my 'bannination'. He was continually made to look silly, and his only responses were to flee the thread or whine to the admins.

Here's one of the threads I was active in before I got banned: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1924&st=0
Check out page one of the thread where KT shows his ignorance when he ties to read a simple altitude graph (he actually thought that the slope of the graph is equal to the angle of the plane!!). CharacterZero was too kind and let KT off the hook so quickly - I definately would have let KT keep ranting just to highlight his ignorance.
I think I sealed my fate though when I questioned KTs remark that the crater looked like it was caused by an impact of 90degrees. I asked him what a 40deg impact would look like. He still hasn't answered.

I wasted too much time on the Loose Change Forums. They definately did me a favor by banning me.

[Firestone]

Well, you can add me to the list of "banned from LC for no apparent reason". (I was "A Very Sly Denial").They banned you when they at last understood where your nickname comes from.

[Oliver]

Well, you can add me to the list of "banned from LC for no apparent reason". (I was "A Very Sly Denial"). No prior warnings. No breaking the forum rules. Just "poof", I was banned. It was obvious that I was a skeptic over there, but I never resorted to name-calling or insuts like the regulars at LC.

Although I did have a knack for killing threads by asking obvious questions. In a thread about how expensive the rents are in the new WTC7, the troothers were fawning all over each other about greedy ol' Silverstein (because Silverstein "obviously" was making so much money off of 9/11). I simply asked how much money Silverstein actually netted on 9/11. Not one person has answered. Not one.

If I had to guess, I'd say Killclown was the force behind my 'bannination'. He was continually made to look silly, and his only responses were to flee the thread or whine to the admins.

Here's one of the threads I was active in before I got banned: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1924&st=0
Check out page one of the thread where KT shows his ignorance when he ties to read a simple altitude graph (he actually thought that the slope of the graph is equal to the angle of the plane!!). CharacterZero was too kind and let KT off the hook so quickly - I definately would have let KT keep ranting just to highlight his ignorance.
I think I sealed my fate though when I questioned KTs remark that the crater looked like it was caused by an impact of 90degrees. I asked him what a 40deg impact would look like. He still hasn't answered.

I wasted too much time on the Loose Change Forums. They definately did me a favor by banning me.

Here´s your very well earned Badge, "A Very Sly Denial". You
brought light and logic to places where the sun never shines.
Wear it proudly and always remember the good deeds you
brought to the human race: :)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif

[VespaGuy]

They banned you when they at last understood where your nickname comes from.

Actually, Pdoh figured it out early on (mostly becuase I gave him a huge hint - and even then it took him an hour). Pdoh then used it as an argument against me whenever he paintedhimself into a corner (i.e."Oh yeah? Well you are the one who is slandering Dylan!", etc).

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Actually, Pdoh figured it out early on (mostly becuase I gave him a huge hint - and even then it took him an hour). Pdoh then used it as an argument against me whenever he paintedhimself into a corner (i.e."Oh yeah? Well you are the one who is slandering Dylan!", etc).
And he didn't think you were you, but were someone else.

[GlennB]

You all might be interested to know that roxdog has had a warning from the admins about persistent use of foul language ;)

[The_Fire]

Neat...Which thread?

[GlennB]

Neat...Which thread?

Just about all of them that he's involved in, as far as I can see :cool:

[Oliver]

Just about all of them that he's involved in, as far as I can see :cool:

He was a member in here? What was his "Nick" here? :confused:

[The_Fire]

AFAIR: Yes, RoxDog were a member here for a while. Turned tail and ran when he was challenged, if I remember it correctly. But we are currently talking about his membership at LFC.

[The_Fire]

I wonder why Dylan is so pissed (r8?) - if i had "contract"
with "hollywood" and "explosive" "evidence", i would laugh
about the "sceptics" instead being worried. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107451d93669e73a.gif

:D



But thats the problem, isn't it? He doesn't HAVE anything.......Except Charlie Sheen and that not really what I would call a ringing endorsement.....

[Oliver]

But thats the problem, isn't it? He doesn't HAVE anything.......Except Charlie Sheen and that not really what I would call a ringing endorsement.....

But why is he so annoyed? ... Did the whole LCFC-Issue fail? :D :confused:

[R.Mackey]

Just curious -- given the resurgence of Gestapo-like behavior at the "Loose Change" forums, how is our sometime-friend Russell Pickering reacting?

As I recall, he was one of the stronger figures in the board's recent incarnation, and he spoke out (quite correctly) against policies of crushing any and all dissent.

Any idea how he's reacting to the sudden change in policy? Or is he one of its victims as well?

Do you think we'll see yet another "do-over" of the entire board anytime soon?

Gosh, what a fearsome "movement" we have on our hands, eh?

[Oliver]

Just curious -- given the resurgence of Gestapo-like behavior at the "Loose Change" forums, how is our sometime-friend Russell Pickering reacting?

As I recall, he was one of the stronger figures in the board's recent incarnation, and he spoke out (quite correctly) against policies of crushing any and all dissent.

Any idea how he's reacting to the sudden change in policy? Or is he one of its victims as well?

Do you think we'll see yet another "do-over" of the entire board anytime soon?

Gosh, what a fearsome "movement" we have on our hands, eh?

Is Russel still an admin over there? I can´t remember the
last time he posted something at their board...

[Coritani]

You all might be interested to know that roxdog has had a warning from the admins about persistent use of foul language ;)

Just a warning?

Augh, that's crap. He always talks about how he's not going to debate with people who aren't civil with him, then he goes on and insults people at every turn.

Just curious -- given the resurgence of Gestapo-like behavior at the "Loose Change" forums, how is our sometime-friend Russell Pickering reacting?

As I recall, he was one of the stronger figures in the board's recent incarnation, and he spoke out (quite correctly) against policies of crushing any and all dissent.

Any idea how he's reacting to the sudden change in policy? Or is he one of its victims as well?

Do you think we'll see yet another "do-over" of the entire board anytime soon?

Gosh, what a fearsome "movement" we have on our hands, eh?

Russel is indeed still an admin there. While I was there, I didn't see him posting at all - maybe because I was only in the WTC and 'investigate 9/11' forums.

I'm pretty sure that Dylan's great purges are driving people away from LC, and the 9/11 conspiracy in general, to here and the official hypothesis.

[LashL]

This might be of interest.

ShillClown says he's co-hosting some kind of "skypecast" this afternoon.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2255

(I have no idea how to hear a skypecast but some of you may. Actually, I have no idea what a skypecast is, but I will assume that it will not include ShillClown showing his pimply face)

[LashL]

I'm pretty sure that Dylan's great purges are driving people away from LC, and the 9/11 conspiracy in general, to here and the official hypothesis.

I agree. The loosewiththetruth forums are imploding once again and amount to little more than idiots like shillclown insulting other people, and a group of childish wannabe 'rebels' to hail alex jones. It's a good thing, really, as fencesitters and lurkers are seeing how pathetic they really are.

[HeyLeroy]

Anyone else who's been banned/suspended having trouble accessing them today?

If not, I think my suspension has caused my entire city's library system IP address to be banned by them!

[The_Fire]

I agree. The loosewiththetruth forums are imploding once again and amount to little more than idiots like shillclown insulting other people, and a group of childish wannabe 'rebels' to hail alex jones. It's a good thing, really, as fencesitters and lurkers are seeing how pathetic they really are.

Agreed too. BTW: JREF'er seems to be a cussword over there now.

[~enigma~]

I wonder why Dylan is so pissed (r8?) - if i had "contract"
with "hollywood" and "explosive" "evidence", i would laugh
about the "sceptics" instead being worried. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107451d93669e73a.gif

:DWhat do you expect. According to Korey Rowe, in an interview with Hustler @ http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/hustler.pdf the budget for LC:FC is over 20 million dollars. That's a hell of a responsibility for Dylan unless they are talking monopoly money.

[Oliver]

What do you expect. According to Korey Rowe, in an interview with Hustler @ http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/hustler.pdf the budget for LC:FC is over 20 million dollars. That's a hell of a responsibility for Dylan unless they are talking monopoly money.

I don´t think that Dylan is investing all his money into
the "commercial version" of his crap. Well, we will see... :rolleyes:

[~enigma~]

They banned you when they at last understood where your nickname comes from.
I was given a 7 day suspension after I said William Rodriguez lied about being the last survivor of the north tower. I even listed the survivors. They admitted I was correct but wrong to call Rodriguez a liar. Guess they can't handle their star witness being dishonest. Sometime during the suspension (and I could care less when) they decided to start banning willy nilly and my suspension became a permanent ban. Got a badge for me Oliver? Suspension and ban all rolled into one. Doesn't that defy the laws of physics somehow or does it blow and suck at the same time?

[~enigma~]

Anyone else who's been banned/suspended having trouble accessing them today?

If not, I think my suspension has caused my entire city's library system IP address to be banned by them!
I cleared my cookies so I think they shut down viewing to members only.

[Firestone]

I was given a 7 day suspension after I said William Rodriguez lied about being the last survivor of the north tower. I even listed the survivors. They admitted I was correct but wrong to call Rodriguez a liar. Guess they can't handle their star witness being dishonest. Sometime during the suspension (and I could care less when) they decided to start banning willy nilly and my suspension became a permanent ban. Got a badge for me Oliver? Suspension and ban all rolled into one. Doesn't that defy the laws of physics somehow or does it blow and suck at the same time?:)

I was banned after observing that there are structural engineers and architects outside of the USA!

[~enigma~]

:)

I was banned after observing that there are structural engineers and architects outside of the USA!
I really believe all the woowoos are is a bunch of ex high school nerds. You know the anti social type that worked on the AV squad that all the normal kids beat up on.

[Mancman]

What do you expect. According to Korey Rowe, in an interview with Hustler @ http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/hustler.pdf the budget for LC:FC is over 20 million dollars. That's a hell of a responsibility for Dylan unless they are talking monopoly money.

How can three guys eat so much pizza?

[Arus808]

20 million dollars? yeah, and i have bridge to sell them

has anyone turned the IRS onto them yet?

[~enigma~]

20 million dollars? yeah, and i have bridge to sell them

has anyone turned the IRS onto them yet?
You know that really isn't a bad idea. They are the idiots that said it in an interview. Somebody should.

[Arus808]

is there a way to see publically what they filed as for taxes? Is Louder than Words a company? a Not for profit organization?

[Oliver]

Here are your Badges - and ~enigma~, it deserves an extra
type of Badge to get banned while suspended. I will ask Shrinker
if we should add some new kind of badge to the collection... :D

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f502e761cf.gif

[milesalpha]

What do you expect. According to Korey Rowe, in an interview with Hustler @ http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/hustler.pdf the budget for LC:FC is over 20 million dollars. That's a hell of a responsibility for Dylan unless they are talking monopoly money.

Just about made me spit out my coke. Maybe Rowe will explain why LCFC needs 3 times the budget of Fareneheit 911. Twenty million appears to be (by far) the biggest budget ever for a documentary.

Or....you don't suppose he's lying...do you?

[jhunter1163]

Where are they getting this $20 million? I'm sure they didn't make that much off LC and no studio in the world would touch that project with a ten-foot pole because of all the copyright problems and whatnot.

[~enigma~]

Just about made me spit out my coke.And you should have. Pepsi is better. Maybe Rowe will explain why LCFC needs 3 times the budget of Fareneheit 911. Twenty million appears to be (by far) the biggest budget ever for a documentary. Getting good actors to look convincing while they lie isn't cheap. Besides they need to pay someone to write an eerie soundtrack and those CGI effects aren't cheap.

Or....you don't suppose he's lying...do you?A truther just asking questions? What are you some kind of psychopath :D

[~enigma~]

Where are they getting this $20 million? I'm sure they didn't make that much off LC and no studio in the world would touch that project with a ten-foot pole because of all the copyright problems and whatnot.I think the woowoo idiots think that since it is in print it must be true. Think they forgot the thing in print should be true first.

[Oliver]

Cool - i never heard the Term "JREF´er" in a Radio Show. And Dylan
still does not believe that "Mark Roberts" is Gravy in his forum...

Maybe someone should tell Avery that the political correct
term is "JREF FORUM´er"... :p

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Jason/0701/20070106_Sat_Jason1.mp3

[~enigma~]

Cool - i never heard the Term "JREF´er" in a Radio Show. And Dylan
still does not believe that "Mark Roberts" is Gravy in his forum...

Maybe someone should tell Avery that the political correct
term is "JREF FORUM´er"... :p

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Jason/0701/20070106_Sat_Jason1.mp3Was that the question do-over forgot to ask?

[GlennB]

Here are your Badges - and ~enigma~, it deserves an extra
type of Badge to get banned while suspended. I will ask Shrinker
if we should add some new kind of badge to the collection... :D



How about "banned once but just about hanging on this time round" ?? :boxedin:

[Architect]

How about "banned once but just about hanging on this time round" ?? :boxedin:


Okay, but only if it's in Cornish.

[T.A.M.]

Vespa:

you mentioned PDoh. He claims to no longer be a "truther", so what side of the debate was he arguing on? Has he gone back to being a truther, or was he arguing against the dweebs?

TAM

[Oliver]

Vespa:

you mentioned PDoh. He claims to no longer be a "truther", so what side of the debate was he arguing on? Has he gone back to being a truther, or was he arguing against the dweebs?

TAM

He´s whining about JREF since some hours instead
arguing. Well - at least the twoofers seem to be bored
and left the thread... :D

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic25930-0-asc-330.html

[Geedubya]

What do you expect. According to Korey Rowe, in an interview with Hustler......the budget for LC:FC is over 20 million dollars. That's a hell of a responsibility for Dylan unless they are talking monopoly money.

A few pearls of error/irony/projection from the article:

There's one thing the debunkers don't like to talk about: the hard scientific proof. (oh, the projection)

In peer reviewed research and experimentation, Jones has shown that the molten metal could not be aluminum from the planes or the building's structural steel. (oh, the errors, on many levels)

Cartoon:
Little boy: "Hey Pop, My history book says President Harry S. Truman said, "Once a Government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." [ignorance]

Dad: "Shut up, boy.....Go to your room!" [you're goned!] (oh, the irony)

And of course the big question: Is Steven Jones OK with his picture and opinions being sandwiched in between glossy photos of hard-core sex acts?

After seeing how he has no problem misrepresenting photos and quotes in his "peer reviewed" paper, and having the gall to claim peer reviewed, I'm thinking the answer is an easy yes. I wonder what his wife would say.

[beachnut]

Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones. A massive amount of BS. Hustler says these are facts we need to look at? Not that Hustler ever had an educational edge, they now prove by not chastising idiots who present lies that they are in on the lies.

Why are they so dumb?

[beachnut]

A few pearls of error/irony/projection from the article:

And of course the big question: Is Steven Jones OK with the idea of his picture and opinions being sandwiched in between glossy photos of hard-core sex acts?

After seeing how he has no problem misrepresenting photos and quotes in his "peer reviewed" paper, and having the gall to claim peer reviewed, I'm thinking the answer is an easy yes. I wonder what his wife would say.

Dr Jones work has risen to level it deserves. In Hustler his work would seem peered reviewed, and now the guys who did review his work are in the proper journal setting. OMG, there is going to be a whole new set of nuts unless the Hustler readers are smarter than Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen.

One cab hope for the best.

[Horatius]

Just about made me spit out my coke. Maybe Rowe will explain why LCFC needs 3 times the budget of Fareneheit 911. Twenty million appears to be (by far) the biggest budget ever for a documentary.

Or....you don't suppose he's lying...do you?

No no, it couldn't possibly be that. It must just be a "mistake" he "left in" on "purpose" to "make" us "think".

Yes, that must be it. That or he's and idiot and a liar.

[Horatius]

He´s whining about JREF since some hours instead
arguing. Well - at least the twoofers seem to be bored
and left the thread... :D

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic25930-0-asc-330.html

Nice to see he still thinks we're a bunch of child molestors. For a while there, I was thinking he wasn't crazy. Now I know he still is, but just about different things.

[~enigma~]

No no, it couldn't possibly be that. It must just be a "mistake" he "left in" on "purpose" to "make" us "think".

Yes, that must be it. That or he's and idiot and a liar.
I vote for the idiot choice. Shall we start a poll?

[Horatius]

I vote for the idiot choice. Shall we start a poll?

Do we need a poll for such a foregone conclusion?

[~enigma~]

Do we need a poll for such a foregone conclusion?
Not really but you better not debunk my idiot claim.

[LashL]

bump

[VespaGuy]

Vespa:

you mentioned PDoh. He claims to no longer be a "truther", so what side of the debate was he arguing on? Has he gone back to being a truther, or was he arguing against the dweebs?

TAM

Pdoh was convinced that I was Arkan Wolfshade. Last time I checked, it was on the first page of the Skeptics forum at LC called "A Question for A Very Sly Denial". He was convinced of this, yet his entire belief was based on the fact that I used "<>" to express "not equal to" and so does Arkan - Pdoh's idiotic logic is not limited to 9/11. (My JREF identity could have easily been figured out in about 15 minutes. Maybe 5 minutes if the LC search engine actually worked.)

Of course, that was before his "enlightening".

Since he reversed his stance, he was actually pretty vocal against the truthers (yet, he maintained that the JREFers were horrible folks). He always butted heads with Killtown, but after his 'coming out' he and KT went at it quite a bit more.

Considering Pdoh's behavior, I never fully believed his 180 degree turn regarding 9/11 (and honestly still have my doubts). His new posts on the LC forums almost parroted the posts that folks made to him here, and I wonder if it is all a big game to him - it doesn't seem to really be about 9/11 for him, it is more about being the winner in an arguement and he realized that the truther arguments were weak.

Just my two cents.

[LashL]

He's since been turfed from the loosewiththetruth forums, but no doubt he is back with one of many socks. That's what he did best, after all, sockpuppetry.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Wow, I should screw with him and switch to using "!=" for a while.

[WildCat]

I cleared my cookies so I think they shut down viewing to members only.
I can still see it, I've never been a member.

[T.A.M.]

I like it right here. The only other alternative are the Sheep (LC Forum) or the Savages (911blogger). At least here, I know the debates will be kept relatively civil.

TAM:)

[Arus808]

I guess its a good thing that I never joined and never will. With what, four meltdowns now...its amazing they still have members.

[HeyLeroy]

I was given a 7 day suspension after I said William Rodriguez lied about being the last survivor of the north tower. I even listed the survivors. They admitted I was correct but wrong to call Rodriguez a liar. Guess they can't handle their star witness being dishonest. Sometime during the suspension (and I could care less when) they decided to start banning willy nilly and my suspension became a permanent ban. Got a badge for me Oliver? Suspension and ban all rolled into one. Doesn't that defy the laws of physics somehow or does it blow and suck at the same time?

Can anyone check over there for me to see if my 30-day suspension has turned into a ban?
I can't even view the forum, so I believe that my entire city's public library IP address has been blocked from there.

Should that rate a special badge? A city of 200,000 can't access their forum from the public library!

(ETA) This is what I'm getting from two branches:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/619745a28d1484656.gif

It's not a question of cookies, this system automatically clears 'em when your session finishes. That's why I'm suspecting it's IP related.

PS: Thanks, Firestone!

[Firestone]

Can anyone check over there for me to see if my 30-day suspension has turned into a ban?
I can't even view the forum, so I believe that my entire city's public library IP address has been blocked from there.

Should that rate a special badge? A city of 200,000 can't access their forum from the public library!You are gone! :)

4994

[HeyLeroy]

Thanks!!!

I'll try a third library branch to see if this is affecting access city-wide. So far I can't access from two of the ten branches are affected.

[Horatius]

Thanks!!!

I'll try a third library branch to see if this is affecting access city-wide. So far I can't access from two of the ten branches are affected.

So their own nazi tactics are making it impossible to promote their mesage. I love it! Really shows why freedom wins in fights like this.

[HeyLeroy]

Woo-hoo! Third branch, no access except through a proxy server.

There was a guy posting over there as 'nicepants'. Never lost his cool, even when the stupids really, really needed a verbal blasting. He was always polite, never rose to their insults.

He's 'gone', too.

So, back to my badge. Anything special for getting a city library system banned?:D

[HyJinX]

I just got banned from the LC forum on my first post!

All I asked was if a frequent poster there (Quest) had any irrefutable evidence to satisfy his claims that WTC7 was a CD. I asked him not to point to Youtube or Google Video...but to offer up any irrefutable evidence.

That was it...and boom. Out on my arse.

Unbelievable.

[HeyLeroy]

Fourth branch, no access.
Slam-dunk.

(ETA) If your public library system uses the 'Userful' (http://www.google.com/search?q=userful&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) public internet access system, You Too! can shut your city outta the Loose Change forum by getting banned from Just One Station!

Try It Today!

(ETA2) Congrats, HyJinX!

[HyJinX]

Fourth branch, no access.
Slam-dunk.


SWWEEEEEEETTTT!:D

[Oliver]

Fourth branch, no access.
Slam-dunk.

(ETA) If your public library system uses the 'Userful' (http://www.google.com/search?q=userful&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) public internet access system, You Too! can shut your city outta the Loose Change forum by getting banned from Just One Station!

Try It Today!

(ETA2) Congrats, HyJinX!

They usually use to ban an IP instead an IP-Range. They
used to ban one of my providers access-points once because
my dynamic IP. Theoretically the libary shares the same IP
for all computers - so it may have been a classic ban.

But as usual - your Badge seems to be well earned since
you did nothing insulting but spreading logic and truth... :D

Wear it proudly, HeyLeroy. :)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif

[HeyLeroy]

According to the info on the 'Userful' website, it appears that all terminals at one location share an IP addy. I can't see how all ten branches in the city could share the same IP, so it does appear that they've blocked a range.

I dunno for sure, I'm not too smart about this kinda stuff.

[uk_dave]

That One Dood pontificates:

(Muckraker @ Dec 18 2006, 03:29 AM)
WE - the truthers - commenced the REAL investigation and then I can be satisfied there were no "loose" ends


Correct.

But now, keep your heads high and be ready to go to war.

Because now we the "truthers" have a smoking gun, that will HAVE TO initiate an investigation into WHO and not IF.

There is no if needed now, we have what we need and we need to persue it until the end.

Inside job proof will be available in 2007. I promise you that.

Mr Freeze (excited newbie) agrees:

It's going to be a good year for the truth guys!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1637&st=210&#last

:crowded:

[Oliver]

According to the info on the 'Userful' website, it appears that all terminals at one location share an IP addy. I can't see how all ten branches in the city could share the same IP, so it does appear that they've blocked a range.

I dunno for sure, I'm not too smart about this kinda stuff.

You can check the IP´s of these Computers using this Adress:

http://www.ipchicken.com/

If you see different IP numbers on different locations of
your library, they have banned the IP-range of your
library and probably other, innocent IP´s, too. :boggled:

[mrfreeze]

I would just like to make it clear that that is not me. Apparently being a batman fan doesn't save you from being retarded.

[aggle-rithm]

More to the point, something that those of us to went to colleges in Texas OTHER than the University of Texas have always suspected is true: those Longhorns belong to the devil. You can tell by the fact that they TRY to slip that diabolical hand gesture by the rest of the world as an innocent school-spirit "Hook 'em Horns" sign.



Apparently, the deaf community is in on it too, for this same hand sign is American Sign Language for "I Love You".

Yeah, right, deaf people!

[Redtail]

Apparently, the deaf community is in on it too, for this same hand sign is American Sign Language for "I Love You".

Yeah, right, deaf people!


Don't forget Parlament and Funkadelic
(P-Funk... yeah)

[Redtail]

Apparently, the deaf community is in on it too, for this same hand sign is American Sign Language for "I Love You".

Yeah, right, deaf people!


Don't forget Parlament Funkadelic
(P-Funk... yeah)

[Calcas]

I swear these guys are retarded.

"look-up" writes,

"You see, if you can prove that WTC7 was a C.D., which we have, then you can prove that Osama Bin ****ing-Laden didn't do it. Simple. If you want to accuse him of doing WTC7, then YOU have the burden of proof. If we want to point to particular individuals, then we have that burden. But if we want to say, "Inside Job" and there is no conceivable way that an "outsider" could have done it, then yes it is quite accurate."

Bolding mine.

It seems that since a few of their friends believe it, it's PROVED! Never mind the ruckus that would cause over CNN and the rest of the world, they have COCLUSIVELY PROVED that WT7 was a CD.

What a friggin circle jerk.

[Mancman]

"Inside job proof will be available in 2007. I promise you that."

This line is quite a common truther guffage. Irrefutable support for their lunatic ramblings is just around the corner.....

[GlennB]

"Inside job proof will be available in 2007. I promise you that."

This line is quite a common truther guffage. Irrefutable support for their lunatic ramblings is just around the corner.....


"Guffage" - I shall use that word a lot from now on ..

Anyhoo I'm banned again, this time by IP.
The good news is it's a school network, so none of our kids can blunder into LC by mistake and get all disturbed by that guffage. (there - said it already :D )
In fact the filtering system is nationwide, I believe, so it's conceivable they've inadvertently protected every school kid in Britain. Yippee !!

[A W Smith]

Apparently, the deaf community is in on it too, for this same hand sign is American Sign Language for "I Love You".

Yeah, right, deaf people!

reminds me of the investigation of those teens in Texas that pulled off the robbery of an armored car service. The dope left his pager there and the feds couldn't figure out what the multiple messages of 143 meant. they failed to realize it was his girlfriend who kept paging him with the "I love you" code as he was loading the armored car.

[~enigma~]

Can anyone check over there for me to see if my 30-day suspension has turned into a ban?
I can't even view the forum, so I believe that my entire city's public library IP address has been blocked from there.

Should that rate a special badge? A city of 200,000 can't access their forum from the public library!

(ETA) This is what I'm getting from two branches:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/619745a28d1484656.gif

It's not a question of cookies, this system automatically clears 'em when your session finishes. That's why I'm suspecting it's IP related.

PS: Thanks, Firestone!

It is going, going, still going...gone :)

[~enigma~]

So their own nazi tactics are making it impossible to promote their mesage. I love it! Really shows why freedom wins in fights like this.

Wait a sec...they actually banned an iP range!?!?!?

Are they stupid or just retarded?

[~enigma~]

"Inside job proof will be available in 2007. I promise you that."

This line is quite a common truther guffage. Irrefutable support for their lunatic ramblings is just around the corner.....Wasn't the statement in 2005 that proof of an inside job will come out in 2006?

[jhunter1163]

Oliver got them to ban all of Germany on the old forum. That's still the gold standard. Keep trying though.

[Oliver]

Oliver got them to ban all of Germany on the old forum. That's still the gold standard. Keep trying though.

Actually it was a main-access-point of germanies biggest provider... :covereyes

[jhunter1163]

OK.. so you got them to ban a good portion of Germany. Sheesh, these skeptics, always have to be so darn factual.. ;)

[beachnut]

Dylan of LC fraud is really a censor. Just a NAZI like censor. The truth is a lie; you can not have truth when it is defined to be a lie.

How can you make money if the truth slips into LC?

He will never catch my friend with the special ability to maintain the CT story without bliinking an eye; act dumb say things like the laws of physics would be defied! and you are in for life!

[Oliver]

OK.. so you got them to ban a good portion of Germany. Sheesh, these skeptics, always have to be so darn factual.. ;)

By the way - is AOL still main provider in the US? http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/angelic008.gif

[Coritani]

Oliver,

I just realised I didn't get a badge. May I have one? Pwetty pwease?

[Oliver]

"Guffage" - I shall use that word a lot from now on ..

Anyhoo I'm banned again, this time by IP.
The good news is it's a school network, so none of our kids can blunder into LC by mistake and get all disturbed by that guffage. (there - said it already :D )
In fact the filtering system is nationwide, I believe, so it's conceivable they've inadvertently protected every school kid in Britain. Yippee !!

Oliver,

I just realised I didn't get a badge. May I have one? Pwetty pwease?


Of course, JREF-Ninjas - Here are your Badges:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107459f6aa36de5a.gif
...and "welcome on Board", Coritani. :)

[jhunter1163]

It's still a major one, but I think the broadband companies like Comcast and Cablevision are catching up quickly. They don't cost much more than an AOL subscription and access is WAY faster.

[maccy]

According to the info on the 'Userful' website, it appears that all terminals at one location share an IP addy. I can't see how all ten branches in the city could share the same IP, so it does appear that they've blocked a range.

I dunno for sure, I'm not too smart about this kinda stuff.

It's quite easy for ten branches to share an IP. The network that links all the branches together will use private IP addressing (RFC1918 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html) is the technical description of this). What this basically means is that all the workstations and other devices on the network will have IP addresses that are not reachable for the Internet - they'll use these addresses to talk to each other.

If a workstation is trying to access the Internet, its packets will be forwarded to the default gateway which will be a router or firewall with an interface on the internal, private, network and another interface which is connected to the Internet and has a single public IP address. This gateway device uses Port Address Translation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_address_translation) (also known as IP Masquerading or Overloading) to rewrite the source address on the IP headers of packets arriving at its internal interface, from their original private address to the public IP address of its external interface. It then sends them out of its external interface. It also adds an source port entry to the header so that it can translate return traffic (ie from the Internet) back to the correct internal IP address.

The practical upshot of all this is that all users appear to have the same IP address.

This is standard practice, as it conserves the number of public IP addresses that are available. Any organisation with multiple users is likely to have a single IP address for Internet access.

So, if anybody gets IP banned from a library or a college there's a fair chance that the whole library or college system (or at least a chunk of it) will be banned.

[~enigma~]

By the way - is AOL still main provider in the US? http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/angelic008.gif
reines Übel...mein commandant

bwahahahaha

[Oliver]

It's still a major one, but I think the broadband companies like Comcast and Cablevision are catching up quickly. They don't cost much more than an AOL subscription and access is WAY faster.

Would be cool if they IP-Range-Ban them, too. :D

[beachnut]

Dylan of LC fraud is really a censor. Just a NAZI like censor. The truth is a lie; you can not have truth when it is defined to be a lie.

How can you make money if the truth slips into LC?

He will never catch my friend with the special ability to maintain the CT story without bliinking an eye; act dumb say things like the laws of physics would be defied! and you are in for life!

If you just act real dumb, you will remain at LC. Just say you are 9 years old and need to do a paper on Dylan.

Why does LC reward real dumb (except pdoh, you can not have a liar lie about converting even if it is a lie; irony) people?

If anyone at LC was to accidently research anything on the LC video they would be banned if they shared their revelations. How do you keep your posters so dumb Dylan? Dylan are you 28th?

Dylan, how can you lie on video? Are you worried about your mom seeing it?

Oliver Stones was going to do a movie on the LC gang but even Charlie Sheen can not act dumb enough. (Alex Jones can!)

So when will my friend be banned? The irony is hard to see when my friend posts; they will not see it. Censor that Dylan.

I see they let Gravy post. He is good even when some idiots ask him off topic junk. Gravy is a good thread topic keeper; but Dylan tries to change the topic as he is caught in a lie; about every post.

The LC forum; not exactly freedom of speech or thought. Wonder how long it will take if I go to be banned?

[uk_dave]

h8bush SCREAMS!!!! :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=66...3&q=ottawa+bush

WATCH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is sick, ALEX JONES arrested in CANADA!! WTF is going on


NOW!! i am REALLY pissed off!

i hate my country for arresting a truther!!, f my government, this is disgusting!!!

ARRESTED, and interigated!! WTF THIS IS CANADA!!! wow

After some reasoned and considered discussion (ahem) on the thread......


h8bush SCREAMS!!! (yet again):

(Jazzmyn @ Jan 9 2007, 09:18 AM)
Oh, calm down already.

Canada is what it is. Idiots get arrested every day in Canada just as they do in the U.S. and elsewhere.

ARE YOU CALLING ALEX JONES AN IDIOT... DUDE IM BEGINNING TO THINK YOU DONT KNOW TO MUCH!!!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2326

I love it!! :D :D :D :D

[Geedubya]

How fitting it is that the "truth" movement has ended up in Hustler Magazine, for could it (the "truth" movement) not be described as a type of political or ideological pornography?

The thought that your political/ideological enemies, be they neocons or the "left gate-keepers", are complicit in the crime of all time is so lustfully delicious, that it becomes reality in your mind. You don't dare allow common sense or mundane engineering formulas to creep in and corrode your fantasy, which has your enemies brought to justice due to your hard investigative work on Internet forums.

There's never any real human contact, like actually going into the office of a relevant engineering professional, and asking him to lunch so as to find out his opinion on the matter -- that would be too scary and threatening. There might be ridicule and rejection.

Steven Jones apparently doesn't dare call up William Manning to ask him his current opinion about what brought down the towers, and put that in his report along with his other 5 year-old cherry-picked quote, because well, that might just spoil the fun.

The "truth" movement seems to be filling a void in certain people's minds, but unfortunately the likelihood of any of their fantasies turning out to be reality is about the same as mine are about Hustler Honeys January thru December.

[EvilBiker]

Well, according to esopxe over at LC, the reason for the bannings is:
The people being banned from this forum are the one's who don't contribute to it in a positive way.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2315

I'm still there, btw, so if at some stage you want a comment passed on, feel free to let me know. I'm quite happy to blow up my membership for the cause - can't take anymore, the stupid over there hurts too much.

[Oliver]

Well, according to esopxe over at LC, the reason for the bannings is:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2315

I'm still there, btw, so if at some stage you want a comment passed on, feel free to let me know. I'm quite happy to blow up my membership for the cause - can't take anymore, the stupid over there hurts too much.

POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS? :boggled:

They really want skeptics to lie to be honorable members??? :eek:

[Horatius]

Wait a sec...they actually banned an iP range!?!?!?

Are they stupid or just retarded?

I think they just beleive that control is more important than actually getting the message out. Typical control freak tendencies - they end up shooting themselves in the foot, and never even realize why.

[Mobyseven]

Question - I can log in on the LC Forums, but it tells me I'm not allowed to post.

Wtf?

[Oliver]

Question - I can log in on the LC Forums, but it tells me I'm not allowed to post.

Wtf?

Did you post there before or did you create a new
account? If you created a new account, you have
to confirm a link within the "Loose Change Welcome
EMail" you get from them.

[Mobyseven]

Did you post there before or did you create a new
account? If you created a new account, you have
to confirm a link within the "Loose Change Welcome
EMail" you get from them.

Created a new account, and have validated it via the "Welcome Email". What I described is the result.

I contacted admin about it, and so far no reply. That was a few weeks ago.

[aggle-rithm]

I'm telling you, the SECOND my suspension is lifted in May, 2009, I'm giving those people a piece of my mind!

ETA: They can probably use it.

[Oliver]

Created a new account, and have validated it via the "Welcome Email". What I described is the result.

I contacted admin about it, and so far no reply. That was a few weeks ago.

Do you still have their welcome mail? If so you could click the
other link for users that have problems with the first link. You
will get to a side where you have to enter two numbers. You
find these numbers within the welcome mail, too. :)

[The Doc]

After some reasoned and considered discussion (ahem) on the thread......



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2326

I love it!! :D :D :D :D

I've been posting in this thread. I can't believe people actually take Jones seriously :eek:

[JimBenArm]

I'm telling you, the SECOND my suspension is lifted in May, 2009, I'm giving those people a piece of my mind!

ETA: They can probably use it.
I'd give them a piece of mine, but I haven't been able to find it!

[Oliver]

I've been posting in this thread. I can't believe people actually take Jones seriously :eek:

Would you mind to get your Badge now or do you prefer to
get it in some minutes as soon as you´re officially banned? :confused:

[aggle-rithm]

If you'll look closely at my avatar, you'll see that Shiner Bark (http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=402931&j=t) is proudly sporting THE BADGE.

[Horatius]

I'm telling you, the SECOND my suspension is lifted in May, 2009, I'm giving those people a piece of my mind!

ETA: They can probably use it.

The could probably use it, but they probably won't.

[The Doc]

Would you mind to get your Badge now or do you prefer to
get it in some minutes as soon as you´re officially banned? :confused:

I'll wait :p

I'll give it till the morning - Maximum.

I want to see what they ban me for. I've done nothing wrong lol. Called a few people out for a few personal attacks (hypocritical of them lol) and linked to Perry Logan's site Re:Alex Jones.

I'll take bets on which one they ban me for :D

[Mobyseven]

Do you still have their welcome mail? If so you could click the
other link for users that have problems with the first link. You
will get to a side where you have to enter two numbers. You
find these numbers within the welcome mail, too. :)

Did that already too. Same result.

:confused:

[Oliver]

I'll wait :p

I'll give it till the morning - Maximum.

I want to see what they ban me for. I've done nothing wrong lol. Called a few people out for a few personal attacks (hypocritical of them lol) and linked to Perry Logan's site Re:Alex Jones.

I'll take bets on which one they ban me for :D

It came into my mind while i was reading the link to Perry´s
page on their forum. For them this is like profanity... :rolleyes:

[Oliver]

Did that already too. Same result.

:confused:

Mhmm, sounds like an intentional restriction. And there
is no further message if you try to post there?

"You are not allowed to post because...."

[LashL]

I'll wait :p

I'll give it till the morning - Maximum.

I want to see what they ban me for. I've done nothing wrong lol. Called a few people out for a few personal attacks (hypocritical of them lol) and linked to Perry Logan's site Re:Alex Jones.

I'll take bets on which one they ban me for :D

Wow - they haven't banned you yet! They must be sleeping in this morning :D

[Horatius]

Now they have one guy saying Gravy is an "admitted occulter" (whatever the heck that is).

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335


You know claim is over the top when even Roxdog asks for a source :)

[chipmunk stew]

Now they have one guy saying Gravy is an "admitted occulter" (whatever the heck that is).

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335


You know claim is over the top when even Roxdog asks for a source :)
I wonder what Lodge he's with? There's a rumor among the higher level Masons in my Lodge that there are one or two Level X secret so-called "Black Lodges" for the ultra-elite. I've never seen Mark on any of the regular member lists, so I bet he's one of these guys. I wouldn't want to be caught poking around HIS life if I were a Truther. These guys will make you disappear so thoroughly your mother will forget you ever existed!

[Firestone]

Well, there is a proof (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11028265) that Gravy is an occulter:

(dylan avery @ Jan 6 2007, 03:26 AM)So...did we win this one or not?

Nobody "won" this one, I think.

You only say that because you resent me putting the left-handed whammy hex on you.

Hey, Dylan, since you're here: I made a complaint to the admins earlier about a threat made against me by e-dog:

"Rox, When you say "talk" do you really mean "talk" or do you mean Kicking his ass and putting a gun to his head and then pulling the trigger? (I'd probably do the last)"

Will you check on the disposition of that for me? I didn't hear anything back, and I can't access the thread.

Thank you,
Mark



http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/hexes/

This is a very serious matter that should not be taken lightly.:dl:

[The_Fire]

Well, there is a proof (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11028265) that Gravy is an occulter:

:dl:


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA*gasp for breath*BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Gravy, if you need to borrow a broom, let me know, will ya?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA*gasp for breath*BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Gravy, if you need to borrow a broom, let me know, will ya?
You should screw with them and tell them you are going to cast a binding spell on them.

[The_Fire]

You should screw with them and tell them you are going to cast a binding spell on them.

Owe, my ribs!
Don't give me any ideas, the next full moon isn't that far off.........Man, the PANIC!.......
:dl:

[uk_dave]

Pure Gold!!

Herminius states the obvious for the reading impaired:

(look-up @ Jan 9 2007, 01:54 PM)

well here's the best disinfo tactic of them all, to confuse people into thinking that something didn't happen...

anyone who wants to see who deflected the original question and changed the subject to WTC7 and the pentagon, can just go to the first page of this thread and read the 5th post on the page, which is by Mark Roberts...



Yeah, but. That post by Mark Roberts doesn't mention WTC7......


And considering the first post dealt wiht flight 77, his post really doesn't seem off topic.....

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2287&st=90

These LC boys do seem to have trouble with numbers... Flight 77 or WTC7...it's so difficult to tell the difference.

[chipmunk stew]

I wonder what Lodge he's with? There's a rumor among the higher level Masons in my Lodge that there are one or two Level X secret so-called "Black Lodges" for the ultra-elite. I've never seen Mark on any of the regular member lists, so I bet he's one of these guys. I wouldn't want to be caught poking around HIS life if I were a Truther. These guys will make you disappear so thoroughly your mother will forget you ever existed!
Chipmunkstew a Freemason too? Interesting. As I have been saying, the JREF Foundation and forums have the smell of a Cointelpro operation.

I am not sure why anyone would ever want to be connected to an organization where as it's been put above, "I wouldn't want to be caught poking around HIS life if I were a Truther. These guys will make you disappear so thoroughly your mother will forget you ever existed!"

That's nice. Now you know why we ask if Gravy is a freemason. WHy should we be fearful of asking a simple question? Should we be threatened if we ask if someone is Episcopalean? What is diferent about Freemasonry?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11036147


Has this thread been deleted, or has it merely been hidden from non-Masons?


I think it's quite interesting that since I posted this earlier that it appears to have been moved or deleted from the JREF forums and there is absolutely ZERO discussion about the topic there.

The silence is deafening.......

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11053859

[Horatius]

Okay, now I really want to know who Charles Caltrop is. He's great!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11054334


wow that chipmunk really slipped like Silverstien. I gues they are having hard time recruitng qualified cointelpro.

Tweaks their noses, and they don't even realize it. Pure gold.

[chipmunk stew]

Okay, now I really want to know who Charles Caltrop is. He's great!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11054334

Tweaks their noses, and they don't even realize it. Pure gold.


Charles,

That was exactly my take on it. Chipmunk stepped on his Johnson. Dohh!! I am sure that the people in the following link were none too pleased with his loose tounge.

http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/who-pulled-911.htm (http://www.ninjaproxy.com/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/100110A/http/www.todayscatholicworld.com/who-pulled-911.htm)
Quest stepped on the caltrop. Dohh!!

Warning: his link is truly despicable.

[uk_dave]

THE FIRST HIGH RANKING U.S. OFFICIAL ("SENATOR" NORMAN COLEMAN, MN) BREAKS SILENCE ON 9/11 "ATTACK"?
In Today's Catholic World (TCW)
July 23, 2006 A.D.

[Disclaimer regarding the use of the word "Senator" in conjunction to Norman Coleman in this article which provides insights into the real story behind 9/11.
"Senator" Norman Coleman is a Jew, and therefore by immutable Roman Catholic Church teaching is ineligible to lawfully exercise public office in any State/Country, as was *decreed against all Jews for all time by Christ's Vicar on Earth, His Holiness, Pope Eugenius IV, in 1442 A.D.

*"We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with Jews; nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them... Christians shall not allow Jews to hold civil honors over Christians, or to exercise public offices in the State ." -His Holiness, Pope Eugenius IV, 1442 A.D. Bull. Rom. Pont., V, 67.]




http/www.todayscatholicworld.com/who-pulled-911.htm

So Quest is an anti-semite too?

They do pick 'em over at LC

[Horatius]

Quest stepped on the caltrop. Dohh!!



I've mentioned CC's name before, and I think it's just the most perfect user name for that site, ever. I wish I had thought of it!

I hope when they finally twig to him tweaking them, and he gets banned, he'll show up here, so I can thank him "in person" for his good works.

[Oliver]

http/www.todayscatholicworld.com/who-pulled-911.htm

So Quest is an anti-semite too?

They do pick 'em over at LC


I heard he´s Himmlers nephew and member or
admin of the stormfront forum. :rolleyes:

[eddyk]

Does Dylan and whoever (The LC Creators) believe in the NWO and all that!?

I mean. They march with Alex Jones etc.

Also the LC site is full of NWO talk...


But I never see Dylan talk about it...


But I guess, as long as they think it was an inside job aswell....who cares right!?

Why they like Killtown I suspect aswell...

[uk_dave]

So, who do we think is COINTELPRO over at LC?

My money's on:

Sleepy2K16
Killtown
h8bush (though I have doubts because his act isn't very subtle)

[maccy]

Does Dylan and whoever (The LC Creators) believe in the NWO and all that!?

I mean. They march with Alex Jones etc.

Also the LC site is full of NWO talk...


But I never see Dylan talk about it...


But I guess, as long as they think it was an inside job aswell....who cares right!?

Why they like Killtown I suspect aswell...

I think Bermas does. Avery is trying to work out how to turn all of this into a viable film career. I expect him to ditch as much of the crazy stuff as he can.

[uk_dave]

On the subject of 'skull and bones' Roxdog leaves a steaming pile of:

Samuel Russell: In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company merged with the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and became the primary American opium smuggler. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the “China”(opium) trade.

But fails to point out:


Modern prohibition

There were no legal restrictions on the importation or use of opium in the United States until a San Francisco, California ordinance which banned the smoking of opium in opium dens in 1875. The Opium Exclusion Act of 1909 prohibited its importation. Other important legislation included the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914. Before this time, medicines often contained opium without any warning label. U.S president William Henry Harrison was treated with opium in 1841. Countless miracle cures contained opium, which of course was the reason many of these were so successful, since people started taking these cures because they made them feel good. Opium was even touted as an alcoholism cure, evidently to the wives of alcoholics. This would be because an opium addict, capable of supporting his habit on about 5 cents a day, would likely be a more suitable companion for a wife—being placid and calm, mostly—than an alcoholic husband. Today, there are numerous national and international laws governing the production and distribution of narcotic substances. In particular, Article 23 of the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs requires opium-producing nations to designate a government agency to take physical possession of licit opium crops as soon as possible after harvest and conduct all wholesaling and exporting through that agency. Opium's pharmaceutical use is strictly controlled worldwide and non-pharmaceutical uses are generally prohibited.

Opium poppies are popular and attractive garden plants, whose flowers vary greatly in colour, size and form. A modest amount of domestic cultivation in private gardens is not usually subject to legal controls. The dried seed cases are often used for decorations, and the small seeds themselves—which contain negligible amounts of any opioid alkaloids—are a common and flavoursome topping for breads and cakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium#Modern_prohibition

Quest further advises:

You do understand that the Skull and Bones society was founded on the heroin trade, do you not?

[Oliver]

So, who do we think is COINTELPRO over at LC?

My money's on:

Sleepy2K16
Killtown
h8bush (though I have doubts because his act isn't very subtle)

I bet it is Sleepy because if Killtown is respected after
all the trash he posted then Dylan MUST be a cointelpro,
too.

I really feel sorry for Killtown - he drove his car so far
beyond the highway... :covereyes

[uk_dave]

Well my reasoning is that :

Sleepy comes across as a good hearted buffoon. He/she manages to dream up some whacky schemes to increase the visibility of the truth movement, but always seems to end up cocking it up and pissing people off. Classic COINTELPRO game plan.

Killtown is playing a more subtle soviet style disinfo campaign by giving the truthers some nuggets of plausible info but at the same time wrapping it up with a whole load of crap which just makes them all look stupid. It's a finely balanced game but pretty much a win-win scenario for us, since if they accept him and his info then the disinfo is getting through, and if they don't then anything of real merit he presents is tainted by the disinfo which has been exposed. Nice one!

h8bush....hmmmmmm jury is still out. Could be a cunningly planned COINTELPRO agent acting like a juvenile idiot....or might just be a juvenile idiot. Time will tell.

;)

[jhunter1163]

I wonder if they know Chipmunk is a Mormon? *snicker snicker*

[uk_dave]

Woof woof:

AND GUESS WHAT? Bush and Kerry both are not only members of SKull and Bones, but are also both related to the British Royal Family. Oh, the crazy world we live in...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&st=60&#last

Now I know the queen mum put it about a bit, but really!!

[Oliver]

Woof woof:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&st=60&#last

Now I know the queen mum put it about a bit, but really!!

Someone please tell me that "related" thing was
a joke of him. :boggled:

[Firestone]

Someone please tell me that "related" thing was
a joke of him. :boggled:No, no, it's not a joke.

It's a classic in woowooland.

For example:

April 22 2004

The Democrat’s president candidate John Kerry is related to King Harald of Norway, and according to one expert, royal relation ensures that he will win the election this fall.

Not only did Kerry live a couple of years in Oslo during his youth, he is also related with the Norwegian King, according to Harold Brooks-Baker, director of Burke’s Peerage, the «bible» of the European royal families.

«He is not only related to the Queen of England on his mother’s side, but also to the Queen of the Netherlands, the Queen of Denmark and the King of Norway, and other European royal families,» stated Brooks-Baker. «Even Princess Diana was a distant relative.»

And it is precisely Kerry’s connections to the royal families that may ensure him the victory in this falls presidential election, according to Brooks-Baker. According to the expert, the candidate who has the most royal blood pulsing in his veins has won every American presidential election since the time of George Washington.


Also President George W. Bush is of blue blood, but not as much as Kerry. Bush is a descendent of Edward I of England.

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/220404_blueblood.html)As usual, predictions quoted or made by Alex Jones tend to not come out! :)

The same nonsense on Rense (http://www.rense.com/general50/king.htm).

[Oliver]

No, no, it's not a joke.

It's a classic in woowooland.

For example:

As usual, predictions quoted or made by Alex Jones tend to not come out! :)

The same nonsense on Rense (http://www.rense.com/general50/king.htm).

*LOL* So AJ made it up. Damn, i wish i would live
over there. I would be a rich man... :rolleyes:

[TheGrunion]

Yet another fine example of overzealous moderation on the LC Boards:


Character Zero,

As a skeptic, I'm not going to allow you roam around here taking potshots at members unless you are wiling to engage in an honest debate. Either ask legit (I'll determine what is legit) questions and debate or you can take it elsewhere.

Do you wish to debate?


Bolding mine for emphasis.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11059557

[uk_dave]

You realise he's probably not replying on purpose don't you ?.Letting the claims grow out of hand and then ridicule us.

Ahhhhh Reggie how very perceptive of you...... and don't you guys just deliver on cue? lol

[T.A.M.]

Regarding post #222 by uk_dave, and the actual Interview conducted by TCW - holy Jaizus Freaking Chraiste. Are these people that insane.

DYLAN AVERY - turn the other way and plug your ears, if the people at TCW are the types you are going to for your "Evidence" on the "truth".

What a bunch of religious nutwings. Talk about making a convenient mountain out of a vague molehill.

Oh my god, i think I am gonna lose it.

TAM - Argghhhh!!!!!

[LashL]

Yikes, there's a thread about an 8th grader who is doing a speech/presentation about Do-Over and Loosewiththetruth. On the one hand, this conjured up images of South Park and the Mystery of the Urinal Deuce, with this kid in the role of Kyle.

On the other hand, it simultaneously saddens and infuriates me that twoofers are feeding their garbage to children.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2038

[Minadin]

One of my most enjoyed threads over there is where CharacterZero suggests that using "V for Vendetta" as a source "probably isn't the best idea" and there's at least a couple people who want to argue about that.

[uk_dave]

yap yap grrrrr yap yap yap:

No excuse for half a decade of silence. None. It's funny because the "skeptics" and govt "officials" blow off 9/11 because "there was no loss of life"... Well, if no one died and there was no one to rescue from the rubble...WHY DID THEY MOVE THE FREAKING BUILDING BEFORE FIGURING OUT WHY THE ***** IT "COLLAPSED"??? It seems to me the best way to figure out why a building fell is to study the building, but what do I know....

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&st=120&#last

**** all, doggy.

[chipmunk stew]

Yikes, there's a thread about an 8th grader who is doing a speech/presentation about Do-Over and Loosewiththetruth. On the one hand, this conjured up images of South Park and the Mystery of the Urinal Deuce, with this kid in the role of Kyle.

On the other hand, it simultaneously saddens and infuriates me that twoofers are feeding their garbage to children.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2038

It's a famous person speech?!?
Dylan: "Ooo, yeah. Stroke it, highwayman. Stroke it real good!" (His ego, you dirty people.)

edit: It's a golldang infomercial, not a biography. Highwayman, as a presenter, is the definition of "shill".

[TheGrunion]

Even better than the left handed whammy hex!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11067453

Nothing like triple posting (declaring victory in each post) and then getting debunked in 5 sentences.

Nice job Gravy!

For the LC Forum impaired:


Into the FAA's, no. Into other radar screens? Yes. Specifically, at NEADS, the same one that you claim was running NO exercises on 9/11.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feature...currentPage=all (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?printable=true&currentPage=all)

Powell's question—"Is this real-world or exercise?"—is heard nearly verbatim over and over on the tapes as troops funnel onto the ops floor and are briefed about the hijacking. Powell, like almost everyone in the room, first assumes the phone call is from the simulations team on hand to send "inputs"—simulated scenarios—into play for the day's training exercise.

"When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled. (The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I.)

08:43:06
FOX: I've never seen so much real-world stuff happen during an exercise.

08:57:11
NASYPANY: Think we put the exercise on the hold. What do you think? [Laughter.]

09:04:50
—I think this is a damn input, to be honest.

So let me clarify. The FAA had no inputs, NEADS did. And, NEADS was running, and I quote, a traditional hijacking scenario exercise.

So, Mark, the following claims you make below:

"1) NEADS ran no war games on 9/11. Reggie got that wrong when he claimed I said that no war games were run at all.
2) No hijacking drills whatsoever were run on 9/11."

You are wrong on both points. NEADS was also participating in Vigilant Guardian.

That'll be one twelve pack of Rolling Rock. Let's see you twist your way out of this one.


I'm sorry...what was that, Mark?

I think I just proved you wrong above.

Apparently he's REALLY proud of himself

Wait...wait...what was that, Mark? NEADS ran no exercises at all on 9/11?

That's a joke, right?

08:43:06
FOX: I've never seen so much real-world stuff happen during an exercise.
http://www.vanityfair.com/mp3/politics/084306.mp3 (http://www.vanityfair.com/mp3/politics/084306.mp3)

08:57:11
NASYPANY: Think we put the exercise on the hold. What do you think? [Laughter.]

As Major Kevin Nasypany, the facility's mission-crew commander, drove up the hill to work on the morning of 9/11, he was dressed in his flight suit and prepared for battle. Not a real one. The Northeast Air Defense Sector (neads), where Nasypany had been stationed since 1994, is the regional headquarters for the North American Aerospace Defense Command (norad), the Cold War–era military organization charged with protecting North American airspace. As he poured his first coffee on that sunny September morning, the odds that he would have to defend against Russian "Bear Bombers," one of norad's traditional simulated missions, were slim. Rather, Nasypany (pronounced Nah-sip-a-nee), an amiable commander with a thick mini-mustache and a hockey player's build, was headed in early to get ready for the norad-wide training exercise he'd helped design.

To complete the triple post. It appears that he can hardly contain himself.

Try again, Dylan.

The exercise was scheduled to start at 9:00. One hijacking exercise was scheduled to be run after that.

For a second, when the FAA reported the flight 11 hijacking, several people at NEADS thought the exercise was off to a surprise early start, including Nasypany. It wasn't, as the FAA controller immediately made clear. It was real world.

No exercise, no injects. Just a real hijacking.

If you don't believe me then I suggest you speak with Nasypany.

It's very, very disturbing that you don't know this.

I'm off for the night.


How long will it take Dylan to realize that the planned exercises were cancelled, not conducted?

[Horatius]

How long will it take Dylan to realize that the planned exercises were cancelled, not conducted?

I think he has problems with the concept that "were going to be run" is different from "were run".

[Coritani]

Dylan put it in his signature to show the world his amazing victory over Gravy:

Mark Roberts: NEADS ran no war games on 9/11. No hijacking drills whatsoever were run on 9/11.

Kevin Nasypany of NEADS: "When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was somebody started the exercise early," The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack. "I actually said out loud, The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour"

Mark Roberts: No, I said, no exercises were run before 9:00 AM...

Honestly, what grades did he get for high school english?

[T.A.M.]

I give Mr. Avery an "F" for comprehension skills based on his misinterpretation of the quote he uses in his signature.

TAM

[hellaeon]

I just got banned for questioning it * rolls eyes* bunch of fricken 5 year olds argueing over lollies.

My question was they are implying that Nasypany is lying or covering up something and that the operations went ahead (the terrorist attack) without them actually saying it, but rather implying. Intersting to note they see trying to catch Gravy out on what he may or may not say as more important then whats actually being said. You guys know what I mean.

God dylan, grow up, banned for that? Please...

[TheGrunion]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11069086


Maybe you couldn't read Mark's original statement correctly.

He said NEADS ran no exercises, and that no hijacking drills were scheduled for 9/11.

NEADS had a hijacking drill, scheduled for 9/11.

Just because it was allegedly called off at 9:00 AM doesn't mean it never existed.


Dylan either has severe reading comprehension issues, or is just very dishonest.

I believe that Gravy stated that no hijacking drills were run on 9/11.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11066430

IVXX, your reading comprehension is lacking. About Reggie's signature I said

1) NEADS ran no war games on 9/11. Reggie got that wrong when he claimed I said that no war games were run at all.

2) No hijacking drills whatsoever were run on 9/11.

(bolding mine)

Dylan's signature is a beacon to either his intellectual incompletence or dishonesty (possibly both).

Why do the truthers buy into Louder Than Words when their leaders repeatedly demonstrate that they are dishonest and/or have severe reading comprehension issues?

[hellaeon]

Its hard not to be offensive towards them.

[TheGrunion]

I realized that my post above captures Gravy's clarification of his original comment (as opposed to the original comment itself).

The original comment follows:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2335&view=findpost&p=11043342


False. The U.S. ran no exercises that simulated hijackings on 9/11. In addition, NEADS ran no war games or drills at all on 9/11. Please do your homework.



emphasis mine