A Dishonest Quoting by Killtown

[Lurker]

Just how dishonest can Killtown be? I checked one of his sources after slogging through one of his webpages. Here is Killtown's webpage:

http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-mcclatchey-photo-more-smoking-guns.html

and Todd’s wife Lisa says Todd is still alive, but in a “much different scenario.”

He certainly leads the reader to believe that Lisa Beamer is saying that Todd is still alive, thus lending credence to the no plane crash in Shanksville CTers.

Yet if you use his own source for that quote, CNN, which Killtown linked to:

http://premium.asia.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0208/23/lkl.00.html


LARRY KING: So you feel Todd is somewhere now?

LISA BEAMER: Absolutely. Todd is still alive. He is alive in a much different scenario than he was last year at this time, but...

KING: Watching you and the babies?

BEAMER: I don't know how much influence he has or knowledge he has of what goes on here. The Bible doesn't give us really a complete picture of the connection between Heaven and Earth. But I do know that he's experiencing the presence of God.

And he is more alive now than he was before. And I'll join him some day.

Note all the stuff he left out. It is very clear Lisa Beamer is saying her husband Todd is dead but in Heaven. There is no way Killtown could have missed that reference so he purposely left it out of his webpage quote in order to mislead.

I don't know how troothers can do this. I mean, deep down inside do they know they resort to lies to "prove" their case?

Lurker

[HeyLeroy]

Really, do you expect any better from that crowd? They are pathetic little attention-whores, nothing more. They will lie to your face if it grabs themselves one iota of attention.

[Architect]

Now he'll put Lisa on Ignore too......

[Pardalis]

I don't know how troothers can do this. I mean, deep down inside do they know they resort to lies to "prove" their case?

That's Killtown.

I hope one day we find out who he really is. :mad:

[JonnyFive]

I hope one day we find out who he really is. :mad:

I don't. I think the experience of Killtown in person would be a deeply unpleasant and frustrating one.

[CurtC]

Just how dishonest can Killtown be? I checked one of his sources after slogging through one of his webpages.This just in...

The sky is blue, the ocean is wet. And Killtown lies. Film at 11.

[Pardalis]

I don't. I think the experience of Killtown in person would be a deeply unpleasant and frustrating one.

Not if the cops are involved. ;)

[uk_dave]

Killtown, the charmer, from the recently deleted LC thread/meltdown between batmanchester and johndoeXP4T......


Killtown
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Because she is very puzzled about you as well. I spoke to her on the phone. Her website is www.newswithviews.com (http://www.newswithviews.com). She does some excellent work and has been in the movement for over 16 years. I am honored to have her as someone to consult. Just met her a few weeks ago. I would like to talk to KT on the phone as well.. but he is still stuck on that 'weedwacker' thing and doesnt trust anyone to give his phone number to in order to coordinate efforts and/or bury the hatchet.

But.. to each their own i guess.

Cheers!
RobYeah it was real weird, I used to include her in some courtesy Shanksville update email lists and she wrote back all asking about who I am and nosing in my person business. I replied I just perfered to be anonymous for my safety. She then wrote back all nasty like cause she seemed to not like me being anonymous. I'm mean WTF? What a bitch. Yes, BITCH. Frickin planehugger too. She actually believes a 757 crashed there and made a little hole and blasts me for being anonymous! So much for her credibility. But I can see why you would like person like that.

Why are you so obsessed in hearing my voice??? Creepy.

Yes, the 'weedwacker' incident was very weird, I simply asked you if you were posting as weedwacker at JREF since they seemed to have known it was you and all of a sudden you started VICIOUSLY attacking and insulting me. You would never answer my simple question. Right after your insult fest on me, you confessed over at JREF you were him. Yep, so much for credibility.

Emphasis added, as if it is needed.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

This just in...

The sky is blue, the ocean is wet. And Killtown lies. Film at 11.
SND?

[Pardalis]

Killtown, the charmer, from the recently deleted LC thread/meltdown between batmanchester and johndoeXP4T......

Emphasis added, as if it is needed.

Is that guy human? :mad:

[DavidJames]

I don't think it's hyperbole to attribute the term "Mental Illness" to killtown.

[R.Mackey]

I'll go one better: "Cyber-stalker."

I wondered then as I wonder now if his actions aren't, in fact, criminal.

[Anti-sophist]

Another common Killtown abuse is claiming that "13 people saw a plane before and after the alleged impact".

What he means, of course, is 1 or 2 people claim to have saw it before, and 11 saw it afterwards....

The sophistry is so pure you could bottle it and sell it on store shelves.

[The Almond]

I'll go one better: "Cyber-stalker."

I wondered then as I wonder now if his actions aren't, in fact, criminal.

It's unlikely that they're criminal, but I'd be willing to bet that the ghost of Johnny Cochran and a reasonably good lawyer could sue him into the ground for libel and slander. But what would that prove? The Truth movement would get a big boost from the exposure, and Killtown's net worth is probably not more than $400. What's the use?

[Spins]

I don't think it's hyperbole to attribute the term "Mental Illness" to killtown.Maybe a mild paranoid personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder).

[DavidJames]

It's unlikely that they're criminal, but I'd be willing to bet that the ghost of Johnny Cochran and a reasonably good lawyer could sue him into the ground for libel and slander. But what would that prove? The Truth movement would get a big boost from the exposure, and Killtown's net worth is probably not more than $400. What's the use?I agree, but I'll compare it to the Dover PA trial. I doubt that did anything to slow down the intelligent design movement, but it sure was a good read :D

[MortFurd]

I don't. I think the experience of Killtown in person would be a deeply unpleasant and frustrating one.
Unpleasant, frustrating, short, and possibly leading to me being arrested on charges of manslaughter.

[CurtC]

I agree, but I'll compare it to the Dover PA trial. I doubt that did anything to slow down the intelligent design movement, but it sure was a good read :DAu contraire, it slowed down the ID movement so much that it's circling the drain now. They seem to be regrouping, putting a different tuxedo on creationism. First they tried "scientific creationism" which was shot down, and they changed the name to "intelligent design" which has now been shot down. It will be interesting to see its form in its next incarnation.

But anyway, the thing that really killed ID is that the Dover school board had to pay the legal fees of the plaintiffs. This fact has already, more than once, dissuaded other school boards from touching ID.

[GlennB]

The other day on the Loose Change forum he published 2 photos of the Shanksville forest as evidence that the 'fire' didn't happen as a result of the (faked, in his view) crash. The photos were clearly of different parts of the forest.
Similar stuff was spewed on the UK 9/11 forum a while back.

Not having met Killtown over here, I presume now this is all routine carp for him?

[Scientologist]

Killtown is Nico Haupt.

[Big Les]

I'm unsure as to why Killtown gets so much "press" and attention from sceptics. He's clearly an 8 on the whackjob scale (Chris being 10) and is as thick as two short planks into the bargain (witness the childish drawings and apparent lack of secondary/high school education).

Is it just his vocal and sensational approach, that makes him famous (or infamous)? Casual CTists are one thing, but I wish we could deny people like KT the oxygen of publicity. Or preferably the oxygen of air.

[ConspiRaider]

Au contraire, it slowed down the ID movement so much that it's circling the drain now. They seem to be regrouping, putting a different tuxedo on creationism. First they tried "scientific creationism" which was shot down, and they changed the name to "intelligent design" which has now been shot down. It will be interesting to see its form in its next incarnation.

But anyway, the thing that really killed ID is that the Dover school board had to pay the legal fees of the plaintiffs. This fact has already, more than once, dissuaded other school boards from touching ID.
Good stuff, Curt.

If you hit people in their pocketbooks, their hearts and minds will follow.

[Arus808]

Killtown is Nico Haupt.

And you have proof of this? Just making a wild claim without support, is just that...a wild claim.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I'm unsure as to why Killtown gets so much "press" and attention from sceptics. He's clearly an 8 on the whackjob scale (Chris being 10) and is as thick as two short planks into the bargain (witness the childish drawings and apparent lack of secondary/high school education).

Is it just his vocal and sensational approach, that makes him famous (or infamous)? Casual CTists are one thing, but I wish we could deny people like KT the oxygen of publicity. Or preferably the oxygen of air.
Quite. Consider this rough outline I have (NOTE: incomplete atm):

Flight 93 myths to address:

A. SHOOTDOWN
1. The CTists

a. Intercept, shoot down
1. flight93crash.com (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
2. flight93crash.com Shoot Down (http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_shoot_down.html)
3. 911research.wtc7.net Flight 93 (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html)
4. freedomfiles.org Flight 93 (http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/flight93.htm)
5. American Free Press - Flight 93 (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/flight_93.html)
6. Renew America - Kovach - Part 1 (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/050914)
7. Renew America - Kovach - Part 2 (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/050919)
8. Renew America - Kovach - Part 3 (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/050928)
9. Renew America - Kovach - Part 4 (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/051011)
10. Renew America - Kovach - Part 5 (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/051012)
11. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30682 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30682)
12. WingTV - Flight 93 (http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html)
13. http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/canada_missle_reject_perplexes_us.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/canada_missle_reject_perplexes_us.htm)
14. http://proliberty.com/observer/20011023.htm (http://proliberty.com/observer/20011023.htm)
15. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2622 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2622)
16. http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/93_shootdown.htm (http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/93_shootdown.htm)
17. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042104flight93.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042104flight93.htm)
18. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html)
19. http://www.911review.com/errors/phantom/flight93.html (http://www.911review.com/errors/phantom/flight93.html)

b. Rumsfield “shoot down” comment
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0)
2. http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/canada_missle_reject_perplexes_us.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/canada_missle_reject_perplexes_us.htm)
3. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2622 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2622)
4. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112 (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112)

c. Claims of explosions prior to impact
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
2. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html)

d. Bomb onboard
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_bomb.html (http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_bomb.html)

e. High-power Microwave Weapon
1. http://members.fortunecity.com/seismicevent/ (http://members.fortunecity.com/seismicevent/)
2. http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/flight93.html (http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/flight93.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Intercept, shoot down
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html)
2. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y)
3. http://web.archive.org/web/20041101190530/http://www.pittsburghpulp.com/content/2002/11_28/news_cover_story.shtml (http://web.archive.org/web/20041101190530/http://www.pittsburghpulp.com/content/2002/11_28/news_cover_story.shtml)
4. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-was-shot-down (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-was-shot-down)

b. Rumsfield “shoot down” comment

c. Claims of explosion prior to impact
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/explosion_and_smoke.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/explosion_and_smoke.html)
2. http://www.911myths.com/html/plane_holed.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/plane_holed.html)

d. Bomb onboard

e. High-power Microwave Weapon

B. FAILURE TO SHOOT DOWN
1. The CTists

a. Failure to intercept
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
2. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38207 (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38207)

b. Intercept, but inaction
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
2. http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml (http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml)

2. The Debunkers
a. Failure to intercept

b. Intercept, but inaction

C. DIDN’T CRASH
1. The CTists

a. Landed in Cleveland
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://www.rense.com/general56/flfight.htm (http://www.rense.com/general56/flfight.htm)
3. http://airgames.bravehost.com/flight93.html (http://airgames.bravehost.com/flight93.html)

b. Tail #’s
1. http://911search.bravehost.com/twintails591UA.html (http://911search.bravehost.com/twintails591UA.html)
2. http://airgames.bravehost.com/flight93.html (http://airgames.bravehost.com/flight93.html)

c. Plane crash in New Baltimore, PA
1. http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html (http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Landed in Cleveland
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_in_cleveland.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_in_cleveland.html)
2. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - Confused with flight 1989 (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html#Confused with flight 1989)
3. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - Lands in Cleveland? (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html#Lands in Cleveland?)
4. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-landed-in-cleveland (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-landed-in-cleveland)

b. Tail #’s

c. Plane crash in New Baltimore, PA

d. Mayor’s comment
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/there_was_no_plane.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/there_was_no_plane.html)

e. Seen after 9/11
1. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html - Spotted after 9/11? (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html#Spotted after 9/11?)
2. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-still-exists (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-still-exists)

f. Didn’t crash
1. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-didnt-crash (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-didnt-crash)

D. PHYSICS OF THE CRASH
1. The CTists
a. Overriding autopilot
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)

b. Exceeding stress parameters and midair breakup
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)

c. Flight telemetry at impact
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

d. Debris and ground conditions
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml (http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml)
3. http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/08/hopefully-my-last-analysis-of-flight.html (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/08/hopefully-my-last-analysis-of-flight.html)

e. Crater fire damage
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

f. Coroner comments
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93Somerset.shtml (http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93Somerset.shtml)

g. Debris distance
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
2. http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html (http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html)
3. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html)
4. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html)
5. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

h. “Strange finds”
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml (http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml)
3. http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/RedBandanas.htm (http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/RedBandanas.htm)

i. Unburned debris
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

j. 2nd engine pond location
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

k. Val McClatchey photo
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/ (http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/)
3. http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/flt93.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/flt93.htm)

2. The Debunkers
a. Overriding autopilot

b. Exceeding stress parameters and midair breakup

c. Flight telemetry at impact

d. Debris and ground conditions
1. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - No debris found? (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html#No debris found?)
2. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-physical-evidence (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-physical-evidence)

e. Crater fire damage

f. Coroner comments

g. Debris distance
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html)
2. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y)

h. “Strange finds”
1. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#black-boxes-and-passports (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#black-boxes-and-passports)

i. Unburned debris

j. 2nd engine pond location

k. Val McClatchey photo

E. PROBLEMS WITH EYEWITNESSES
1. The CTists
a. Conflicting eyewitness statements
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_eyewitness.html (http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_eyewitness.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Conflicting eyewitness statements

F. OTHER AIRCRAFT
1. The CTists
a. White jet
1. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
2. http://www.flight93crash.com/second-plane-at-flight93-crash-site.htm (http://www.flight93crash.com/second-plane-at-flight93-crash-site.htm)
3. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
4. http://www.rense.com/general64/white.htm (http://www.rense.com/general64/white.htm)

b. C-130 sighted at time of crash
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. White Jet
1. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=7&c=y)
2. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-landed-in-cleveland (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#flight-93-landed-in-cleveland)

b. C-130 sighted at time of crash

G. THE LOCATION OF THE CRASH
1. The CTists
a. Service road coincidence
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

b. Crash site landowners
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

c. ANG and LEPC
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

d. Military flight corridor
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

e. Raytheon & Northrop locations
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

f. Warren Buffet jet
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Service road coincidence

b. Crash site landowners

c. ANG and LEPC

d. Military flight corridor

e. Raytheon & Northrop locations

f. Warren Buffet jet

H. TIMELINE
1. The CTists
a. NORAD timeline
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html)
3. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_cvr.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_cvr.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. NORAD Timeline
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_seismology.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_seismology.html)

I. THE HIJACKERS AND PASSENGERS
1. The CTists
a. Hijackers
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

b. Passengers oddities
1. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)
2. http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html (http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html)
3. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_passengers.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_passengers.html)

c. Cell phone calls
1. http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml (http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml)

2. The Debunkers
a. Hijackers
1. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-hijackers (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-hijackers)

b. Passenger oddities
1. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - All passenger remains identified (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html#All passenger remains identified)
2. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - Human remains recovered (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - Human remains recovered)

c. Cell phone calls
1. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-cell-phone-calls (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-cell-phone-calls)

J. MEMORIAL
1. The CTists
a. Flight 93 memorial is Islam symbol
1. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05253/569055.stm (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05253/569055.stm)
2. http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2005/11/redesigned-flight-93-memorial-still_30.html (http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2005/11/redesigned-flight-93-memorial-still_30.html)
3. http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003506.htm (http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003506.htm)
4. http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-09142005-541451.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-09142005-541451.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Flight 93 memorial is Islam symbol

K. FOREKNOWLEDGE
1. The CTists
a. Shanksville ERs warned to expect victims before crash
1. http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html (http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Shanksville ERs warned to expect victims before crash

L. EVIDENCE RELEASE AND FALSIFICATION
1. The CTists
a. Gag orders
1. http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html (http://www.wingtv.net/flight93.html)

b. FOIA requests
1. http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd232.htm (http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd232.htm)

c. CVR is hoax
1. http://flyingimam.blogspot.com/2006/04/flight-93-cockpit-recording-is-hoax.html (http://flyingimam.blogspot.com/2006/04/flight-93-cockpit-recording-is-hoax.html)
2. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html (http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Gag orders

b. FOIA requests

c. CVR is hoax
1. http://www.911myths.com/flight93.transcript.pdf (http://www.911myths.com/flight93.transcript.pdf)
2. http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/04/12/flight93.transcript.pdf (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/04/12/flight93.transcript.pdf)
3. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html - Cockpit recorder transcript released (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html#Cockpit recorder transcript released)
4. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html - Missing minutes from CVR? (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html - Missing minutes from CVR?)

M. GENERAL
1. The CTists
a. General CT site references
1. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93.html)
2. http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/index.htm (http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/index.htm)
3. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_index.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_index.html)
4. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/10/22/hsorensen.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/10/22/hsorensen.DTL)
5. http://flight93hoax.blogspot.com/ (http://flight93hoax.blogspot.com/)
6. http://www.flight93crash.com/ (http://www.flight93crash.com/)
7. http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html (http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html)
8. http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm (http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm)
9. http://letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html (http://letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html)

2. The Debunkers
a. Debris photos
1. http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_photos.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_photos.html)
2. http://www.911myths.com/html/more_flight_93_photos.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/more_flight_93_photos.html)
3. http://www.911myths.com/html/epa_report_photos.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/epa_report_photos.html)

b. General
1. http://www.freetimes.com/story/681 (http://www.freetimes.com/story/681)
2. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/flight93-air-traffic.htm (http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/flight93-air-traffic.htm)
3. http://www.flight93memorialproject.org/ (http://www.flight93memorialproject.org/)
4. http://www.lolinfowars.co.nr/ (http://www.lolinfowars.co.nr/)
5. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html)
6. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - 9/11 Commission statement (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html#9/11 Commission statement)
7. http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html - Official story? (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg4.html#Official story?)
8. http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4 (http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4)


ETA: Point being, look at how many CTists links point to a KT website.

[uk_dave]

I'm curious about this posting by killklown....

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html

Not the content of the 'interview' but simply the fact that he seems to claim to have conducted the interview himself.

Now firstly, who would willingly be interviewed by someone going under an internet nickname without demanding to know that person's real name?
I wonder if it is possible that the people killklown claims to have interviewed do actually know his name.

Secondly, if indeed people are willing to answer questions from a sooper seekrit internet investigator without knowing that persons real identity, what does that say about the interviewee? Can they be trusted? Would a person without an agenda be prepared to maintain the secrecy of killklowns true identity?

I'm just askin' questions here

(ooooops I forgot to number them...sheesh :D )

[fuelair]

I don't. I think the experience of Killtown in person would be a deeply unpleasant and frustrating one.

Since I consider it and it's accomplices to be beneath contempt and of no real importance - which I would happily say in it's face (even if that face is where I suspect it is on it's body - it would merely be interesting and possibly even "feel-good" to meet it.:D :D :rolleyes: :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp

[uk_dave]

Further to my previous post, another curio (to me anyway) is why people are willing to talk to these amatuer slueths anyway. Perhaps it's a particularily American phenomena, but I'm fairly certain that had I been a witness to some traumatic event and someone contacted me for an interview, unless they were law enforcement or an acredited journalist, I'm not going to give up my time to speak with someone just because they happen to have a website. This most certainly also applies to the Elite Pentagon Research team who seem to have had very little difficulty in convincing people to talk to them.

So am I a crotchety old git or do you colonials feel the same way?

[Spins]

For those who haven't heard it before this is Killtown on internet radio with Dylan Avery...

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0609/20060905_Tue_Stadtmiller1.mp3
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0609/20060905_Tue_Stadtmiller2.mp3

...Killtown and Dylan join in at about 13:45 on the first mp3; you can almost feel the paranoia.

[Horatius]

Quite. Consider this rough outline I have (NOTE: incomplete atm):


ETA: Point being, look at how many CTists links point to a KT website.

You have got to get a better hobby.

How long did it take to put that all together? How many brain cells did it cost you? I think my head would explode about 1/4 of the way through that....

[valis]

Further to my previous post, another curio (to me anyway) is why people are willing to talk to these amatuer slueths anyway. Perhaps it's a particularily American phenomena, but I'm fairly certain that had I been a witness to some traumatic event and someone contacted me for an interview, unless they were law enforcement or an acredited journalist, I'm not going to give up my time to speak with someone just because they happen to have a website. This most certainly also applies to the Elite Pentagon Research team who seem to have had very little difficulty in convincing people to talk to them.

So am I a crotchety old git or do you colonials feel the same way?

You call up and say "I am an investigator" or "I am a reporter". You don't mention with who or what unless asked and even then you do so as vaguely as possible.

[Minadin]

Wow. This is probably one of the most blatant examples of "quote-mining" that I've ever seen.

[GlennB]

Further to my previous post, another curio (to me anyway) is why people are willing to talk to these amatuer slueths anyway. Perhaps it's a particularily American phenomena, but I'm fairly certain that had I been a witness to some traumatic event and someone contacted me for an interview, unless they were law enforcement or an acredited journalist, I'm not going to give up my time to speak with someone just because they happen to have a website. This most certainly also applies to the Elite Pentagon Research team who seem to have had very little difficulty in convincing people to talk to them.

So am I a crotchety old git or do you colonials feel the same way?

You're wrong. 82.6% of Brits would talk about their parents' sex life to any nincompoop with a website or a camera, in the hope it would get them on "Big Brother" one day. :boxedin:

[uk_dave]

You call up and say "I am an investigator" or "I am a reporter". You don't mention with who or what unless asked and even then you do so as vaguely as possible.

But if you were the interviewee it would be stupid not to ask, surely?

[bonavada]

Just how dishonest can Killtown be?

i quickly jogged through that sickening blog of KT's. more holes there than a gravedigger convention.
he certainly seems like a bad lot. i wonder does val know of her character assasination there?

BV

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

i quickly jogged through that sickening blog of KT's. more holes there than a gravedigger convention.
he certainly seems like a bad lot. i wonder does val know of her character assasination there?

BV
Yes, she does.

[bonavada]

Yes, she does.

she should complain to his isp/his webspace/his blog providers everybody. if they don't remove his vitriol she should sue their arses. the man is webstalking her. surely there are US agencies that would help curtail his harrassment of her?

BV

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

she should complain to his isp/his webspace/his blog providers everybody. if they don't remove his vitriol she should sue their arses. the man is webstalking her. surely there are US agencies that would help curtail his harrassment of her?

BV
Well, at least the 911review.org domain appears to be self-hosted (on cursory examination), so unless they are violating their ToS with their provider not much can be done there. Hazarding a guess, the "owners" of 911review.org have a ToS set up with the people they host that washes the "owners" hands of the content that their "customers" content to get them out of any issues with the pipe's provider and the "owners" of 911review.org aren't going to pull his stuff.

[bonavada]

Well, at least the 911review.org domain appears to be self-hosted (on cursory examination), so unless they are violating their ToS with their provider not much can be done there. Hazarding a guess, the "owners" of 911review.org have a ToS set up with the people they host that washes the "owners" hands of the content that their "customers" content to get them out of any issues with the pipe's provider and the "owners" of 911review.org aren't going to pull his stuff.

surely there must be some recourse for the lady? i remember a test-case where providers were forced to shut down a site containing some infringement. sorry i cannot remember any details. i'm fairly sure it was the US but it may have been the UK. the "handwashing" of content became a non-starter for the defence. 911review.org, if refusing to remove KT's libels become knowingly complicit surely? i am not a law expert. maybe others could clarify?

BV

[Arus808]

they aren't absolved of anything, despite any legal mumbo jumbo they put on their website

but, their WHOIS information can be turned in for being incomplete ( http://www.icann.org )

and its nice to see what is being posted on the net using their "registered" phone number:

someone was looking for a roommate:
http://www.roommates4you.com/us/LA/New-Orleans-roommates/190524.html

[chipmunk stew]

surely there must be some recourse for the lady? i remember a test-case where providers were forced to shut down a site containing some infringement. sorry i cannot remember any details. i'm fairly sure it was the US but it may have been the UK. the "handwashing" of content became a non-starter for the defence. 911review.org, if refusing to remove KT's libels become knowingly complicit surely? i am not a law expert. maybe others could clarify?

BV
Here's a pretty good primer on libel law in the US:
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/press/press08.htm
This phrase in particular jumped out at me:
it is almost impossible for a writer to be found guilty of libel if the writing deals with opinions rather than facts.

The general truth of the matter is that US libel laws tend to favor free speech, that winning an internet libel case is notoriously difficult, and that people who successfully sue for libel in the US are generally rich, patient, and have a clear-cut case.

[bonavada]

Here's a pretty good primer on libel law in the US:


thanks for that.
will have agood read and comment soon

BV

[Big Les]

Point taken Arkan - he's nothing if not prolific. You wonder what he might be able to achieve with all that time and effort if he wasn't tilting at windmills 24/7.

He could flip a lotta burgers in that time, maybe even enough to enroll in some adult ed classes. He is at least nominally, an adult, isn't he?

[switchtech]

they aren't absolved of anything, despite any legal mumbo jumbo they put on their website

but, their WHOIS information can be turned in for being incomplete ( http://www.icann.org )

and its nice to see what is being posted on the net using their "registered" phone number:

someone was looking for a roommate:
http://www.roommates4you.com/us/LA/New-Orleans-roommates/190524.html

Somone should wander up to 8016 Devine, New Orleans East, LA and knock on the door to ask to interview the occupant to see what they believe about Flight 93.

[njslim]

Any chance can smoke out KILLTOWN real identity? Figure with all the posts
and such has made would leave clues to who he/she really is. Biggest thing
got going is being able to hide - once exposed would probably not be able
whether the heat. How would you like everyone to know you are the
village idiot?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Any chance can smoke out KILLTOWN real identity? Figure with all the posts
and such has made would leave clues to who he/she really is. Biggest thing
got going is being able to hide - once exposed would probably not be able
whether the heat. How would you like everyone to know you are the
village idiot?
Cursory search:

http://www.blogger.com/profile/13155668
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7508/1605/1600/snopes_complaint.jpg (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7508/1605/1600/snopes_complaint.jpg)
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/two-copyright-infringement-complaints.html (http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/two-copyright-infringement-complaints.html)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/killtown (http://profiles.yahoo.com/killtown)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Killtown (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Killtown)

[Arus808]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7508/1605/1600/snopes_complaint.jpg (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7508/1605/1600/snopes_complaint.jpg)
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/two-copyright-infringement-complaints.html (http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/two-copyright-infringement-complaints.html)


haha, well if Babs from Snopes.com can find him, im sure its not that hard to find him as well. in order to serve him with a notice of coypright infringement.

Dont ever mess with babs from from Snopes.com ... At least they are more respectable than that human trash.

Love how he grumbles on his blog about it. Yes, he is so gung ho on outing "people" for hteir crimes, BUT CANT take it when he commits a crime himself.

[LashL]

bump

[Horatius]

Love how he grumbles on his blog about it. Yes, he is so gung ho on outing "people" for hteir crimes, BUT CANT take it when he commits a crime himself.

Typical bully-boy reaction. "The fight didn't start until he hit me back!"

[LashL]

haha, well if Babs from Snopes.com can find him, im sure its not that hard to find him as well. in order to serve him with a notice of coypright infringement.

Dont ever mess with babs from from Snopes.com ... At least they are more respectable than that human trash.

Love how he grumbles on his blog about it. Yes, he is so gung ho on outing "people" for hteir crimes, BUT CANT take it when he commits a crime himself.

I'll bet his mom was a bit annoyed when he received those notices. She probably grounded him for a week.

[jhunter1163]

If Snopes can find him, we here at JREF certainly should be able to..

[defaultdotxbe]

Any chance can smoke out KILLTOWN real identity? Figure with all the posts
and such has made would leave clues to who he/she really is. Biggest thing
got going is being able to hide - once exposed would probably not be able
whether the heat. How would you like everyone to know you are the
village idiot?
anyone work for comcast in the bay area? thats where he always posted from on my forum

[Arus808]

If Snopes can find him, we here at JREF certainly should be able to..


just contact Snopes...they'll have his information.

[ConspiRaider]

If Snopes can find him, we here at JREF certainly should be able to..
Yes but at Snopes they are Snoopers and at JREF we are JRoofers so... We should have had Santa pass him by. No reindeer hooves on his roof. The first guy living in his Mom's basement to go to the media and complain about no Christmas gifts? GOTCHA!

[bonavada]

Here's a pretty good primer on libel law in the US:

interesting read.
one optimistic point there is that the article states that "ordinary" people are afforded more protection against libel/slander than others such as public figures eg filmstars or politicians.
there is no reason i don't think that val M does not have a case to bring killtwat (or at least the internet publishers of his vitriol) to book for the malevolent and unfounded content of the offending blog etc.
freedom of speech is fine. this is more akin to stalking and harrasment.
it's about time it was ended.

BV

[chippy]

Did you know that Killtown tried to argue that the house next to the Shanksville crash site shouldn't have been damaged because there were trees in the way of the shock waves?

[Calcas]

Somone should wander up to [address removed] and knock on the door to ask to interview the occupant to see what they believe about Flight 93.
Might have been a decent place before Katrina.


[hotlinked photos removed]

[A W Smith]

Might have been a decent place before Katrina.
http://911review.org/urbanrenovations/devine/8016%20DEVINE.JPG

http://911review.org/urbanrenovations/devine/8016-DEVINE-back.JPG

cant be his, it doesnt appear to have basement windows.

[LashL]

The person most likely to be found there is a Brad Mayeux, who apparently owns the 911review domain and who claims to be an RF engineer, but who also apparently is involved in renting out property in New Orleans and was stupid enough to be taken in by an internet scam about working from home as a "third party tracer" and earning $250 - $500 per week for a few hours' work.

Strange guy, that.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Somone should wander up to [address removed] and knock on the door to ask to interview the occupant to see what they believe about Flight 93.
[Friendly reminder]
Let's make sure we're not violating our ToS

You will not post a person's private information that is not otherwise publicly available.[/Friendly reminder]

[Arus808]

[Friendly reminder]
Let's make sure we're not violating our ToS

[/Friendly reminder]

um. he made it publicly available:
http://www.roommates4you.com/us/LA/New-Orleans-roommates/190524.html

[Calcas]

um. he made it publicly available:
http://www.roommates4you.com/us/LA/New-Orleans-roommates/190524.html

Another PUBLIC record regarding [address removed].

Sale by Civil Sheriff
Judicial Advertisement
That Portion of Ground BEARING MUNICIPAL NO. [address removed], IN THE MATTER ENTITLED: WASHINGTON MUTUAL BANK, FA, SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST TO, BY MERGER WITH, WASHINGTON MUTUAL HOME LOANS, INC. VERSUS [name removed]

[LashL]

There are also public records about the ownership of the property, and Brad Mayeux posted in various places on the internet about his ownership of the property and his fledgling business that seeks to flip properties in New Orleans after the catastrophe of Hurricane Katrina.


It looks like he's trying to capitalize on the suffering of victims of Hurricane Katrina just like he does on the suffering of victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

I don't think there are any violations of the rules here by pointing out that he currently owns the property in question and that he's actively marketing it on the internet, or that he operates the 911review conspiracy site, or that he claims to have been an RF engineer, or that he told a newspaper that he was taken in by an internet scam promising him $250-$500 per week to work from home as a "third party tracer", or that he told the newspaper that he'd suffered a back injury and was thus unable to work... etc. etc.

[Arus808]

so...he's just another schiester...looking to make a quick buck, no matter who he steps on in the process.

No, its good that all of this is on "public record" as people who want to hire him or buy/deal with him can easily find what a jerk he is.

[MortFurd]

cant be his, it doesnt appear to have basement windows.
Houses in south Louisiana don't usually have basements. The water table is too close to the surface.

Consider that most of New Orleans is below sea level, and you'll understand why there are no basements.

Killtown probably just uses his bedroom as a lair.


MortFurd ( a "Damned Yankee" born in Shreveport, (north) Louisiana.)

[chipmunk stew]

911review.org hosts Killtown's stuff, but Killtown doesn't own it AFAIK.

[bonavada]

911review.org hosts Killtown's stuff, but Killtown doesn't own it AFAIK.

this is a point i've brought up above. i remember a test case recently, i'm not sure if it was UK or the US, whereby the ruling was that the website publishers were held responsible for the content of what was published. the publishers could not derogate the responsibility of that, i think they were deemed to be complicit in that they refused to take down the libel and were forced to do so. i'm sorry to be so vague but i will try and hunt more details down and get back with it.
val M would, i believe, definitely have a case. killtwats stuff seems fallacious, unjustified and malicious. it's unforgiveable the way he has attacked the womans character.
it's about time he was taught a lesson.

BV

[slingblade]

Here's a pretty good primer on libel law in the US:
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/press/press08.htm
This phrase in particular jumped out at me:

it is almost impossible for a writer to be found guilty of libel if the writing deals with opinions rather than facts.

The general truth of the matter is that US libel laws tend to favor free speech, that winning an internet libel case is notoriously difficult, and that people who successfully sue for libel in the US are generally rich, patient, and have a clear-cut case.

Ah, but in my Media Law and Ethics class it was stressed several times that you also cannot state a fact and claim it is your opinion, and use that to get out of a libel action. It won't work.

In addition to what you said, and very well, it is frankly hard to win any libel suit, at least under U.S. law, because one of the things you must prove is harm. You must prove the libel did demonstrable harm to your reputation.

If no one Lisa knows is buying anything KT is saying, and if it's not causing harm to her business reputation, or driving her friends away, she doesn't really have a case.

[bonavada]

Ah, but in my Media Law and Ethics class it was stressed several times that you also cannot state a fact and claim it is your opinion, and use that to get out of a libel action. It won't work.


in vals trade i would think it would be worrying to have her name plastered all over the internet being portrayed as a fraud and swindler as killtwat is doing. lot's of customers check out the reps of businesspeople with google etc. the poisonous lies killtwat has written could be very damaging to her in that sense.

it's a pity that val doesn't live in the UK our laws, although having the same general basis as the US, seem more weighted to the complainant over here.

here's a simple outline of the UK libel laws (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A1183394)

also a few internet test cases from the UK and Australia there.

hope for val yet

BV

[genghis6199]

killtown lives in portland. he is either a blonde girl that had a public slanging match with dylan avery and phil jayhan,

her name is jennifer [i have the rest and more]

or it is someone living at that address.

her ex[?] husband

michael is a public prosecuter.



genghis@westnet.com.au

[aggle-rithm]

I don't know how troothers can do this. I mean, deep down inside do they know they resort to lies to "prove" their case?


I think they use compartmentalization. They justify bending the truth because their cause is so important and just.

They never realize that their entire cause consists of a twisted tangle of bent and/or broken truths.

[CurtC]

killtown lives in portland. he is either a blonde girl that had a public slanging match with dylan avery and phil jayhan,

her name is jennifer [i have the rest and more]

There was a poster who went by "Jennifer" at the old LC Forum, who repeated a lot of Killtown's ideas. However, I asked and there were good reasons to think Jennifer was not Killtown (I don't recall what they were). Also, I don't have any info that the Jennifer poster is as she appeared in her avatar at LCF, nor even that Jennifer was actually a she.

It's against the rules here to "out" someone's real-life identity, even for Killtown. However, it's fair game to try to figure out whether Jennifer was really the same poster as Killtown. Why do you think they're the same or closely related?

[1337m4n]

Holy Resurrection Batman!

Anyway, Killtown quoting people dishonestly? Welcome to the club. We have T-shirts :D.

[Walter Ego]

killtown lives in portland. he is either a blonde girl that had a public slanging match with dylan avery and phil jayhan,

her name is jennifer [i have the rest and more]

or it is someone living at that address.

her ex[?] husband

michael is a public prosecuter.


Jennifer? KT sounds like a dude to me in this phone call with Dylan Avery.

It must be heard to be believed - Dylan goes off on the petulant Master Killtown in this audio clip....

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83888

[jaydeehess]

Holy Resurrection Batman!

Anyway, Killtown quoting people dishonestly? Welcome to the club. We have T-shirts :D.

Indeed!

Shocked, shocked I am to find misquoting occuring in Killtown's bolg.

[Unsecured Coins]

There was a poster who went by "Jennifer" at the old LC Forum, who repeated a lot of Killtown's ideas. However, I asked and there were good reasons to think Jennifer was not Killtown (I don't recall what they were). Also, I don't have any info that the Jennifer poster is as she appeared in her avatar at LCF, nor even that Jennifer was actually a she.

It's against the rules here to "out" someone's real-life identity, even for Killtown. However, it's fair game to try to figure out whether Jennifer was really the same poster as Killtown. Why do you think they're the same or closely related?


I know "jennifer" is not Killtown. I talk to her on a regular basis.

[1337m4n]

I know "jennifer" is not Killtown. I talk to her on a regular basis.

Heh heh heh heh...I'll bet you do, you dog you...*wink wink*

[gc051360]

I don't really get it though. He knows he's being dishonest. We know he's being dishonest. What's the point of using this tactic?

What is the point of lying about this stuff? What is wrong with this guy? Who does he think he is fooling?

[Horatius]

I don't really get it though. He knows he's being dishonest. We know he's being dishonest. What's the point of using this tactic?

What is the point of lying about this stuff? What is wrong with this guy? Who does he think he is fooling?




Gravy once referred to KT as "freakishly stupid", and it really does fit. He once posted an "analysis" of Val M.'s testimony about what she did before and after taking her picture of the smoke from flight 93, which showed he clearly couldn't even follow the flow of a normal conversation. It was almost sad.


I say almost, since it was in service to slandering an innocent woman and perpetuating a pathetic fantasy. If you'd seen someone on the street trying to figure things out the way KT was, you'd give him a quarter and tell him where the soup kitchen is located.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

killtown lives in <ed. possible personal info deleted>

Is this the same Ghengis6199 who was claiming on youtube that a film canister is the same as a 140 ton jet airliner and a tree is the same as a 1200 foot, half-million ton skyscraper?

Why the apparent turn on Killtown? Is the bloom off the rose in the old no-planer love nest?

[ref]

Well, to get the facts straight, Killtown is neither Jennifer nor Nico Haupt. And he is a he.

[peteweaver]

Out of curiosity I once joined the David Icke forums. Killtown's theories are possibly the most disturbing deluded examples of blatant and outright lying I've ever encountered online.

I don't care if he's armed to the teeth, has a house full of submachine guns, knives, grenades the works, I'd love to boot him up the backside with my steel toecappers.

[genghis6199]

let me be clear. killtown is many people.
or maybe just two or three.

jennifer does the blogs.
don't chase her down or hassle her.
she is protecting or is killtown in some way.

some people have started legal proceedings.

i don't know who they are.

i will say at this point ,
she never did anything bad to me.
but she is very deceptive.

killtown on the other hand,
has a lot to answer for.

his blogging is invasive,
as you all know.
after all his rebvalations,
a first name isn't a lot to ask.....

i believe jennifer is the "killtown blogger"

perfect grammar,
very passive aggressive.
always replies to a question with a question.

there is another kt

the voice guy.

i believe there may be more.

dunno.

i'm going on holiday.

by the way,
the person who invited me here,
and asked to have my password fixed in a thread,
was jennifer,
she used to try and drag me here all the time.

[uk_dave]

That's the worst poem I've ever read.

[Jonnyclueless]

My favorite was killtown trying to show that the video footage was fake by pointing out how the guy who was off camera noticed the 2n plane before it was on camera. As if the world, including the other people there off camera see the world through the camera.

Talk about having a lot of spark plugs misfiring...