Internet Debate Tonight

[pomeroo]

From Jon Gold's site, 911blogger.com:

9/11 Debate Tonight - Mike Berger v. Roger Schlueter (http://www.911blogger.com/node/5413)

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This was sent in by Benaton;
Hi, I'd appreciate it if you could spread the word about this. Tonight
there will be a debate on http://www.thedebatehour.com/ (http://www.thedebatehour.com/) streaming live
over the internet. Michael Berger of 911truth.org will debate Roger
Schlueter who will try to debunk his beliefs.
The show starts promptly at 8pm Eastern Standard time and will run until
9pm. After that the broadcast is cut off, but the stream will still
continue on http://www.stickam.com/ (http://www.stickam.com/) for people watching the live video
feed.
Listen live (streaming audio):
http://www.freethoughtmedia.com/listen.m3u (http://www.freethoughtmedia.com/listen.m3u)
Watch live at the following link:
http://www.stickam.com/profile/infidelguy (http://www.stickam.com/profile/infidelguy) **Recommended
During the broadcast you can click the magnifying glass to open the video
stream + chat room to ask questions. No registration is required.
Or Call in at 888-503-0802.
The Debate Hour is hosted by Reginald Finley Sr., who recently had Scott
Horton, a contributor to anti-war.com, discuss the war in Iraq and global
empire.

[T.A.M.]

Excuse my ignorance, but who is Roger Schueter, and should we expect him to do a good job, or even know what he is talking about (an honest question, as I do not have a clue who he is).

TAM

[Oliver]

Excuse my ignorance, but who is Roger Schueter... *snip*
...and Mike Berger? :confused:

[Gravy]

Hey, Roger is our SezMe! Big props to him.

[T.A.M.]

Ok, I don't remember seeing much input from him lately, likely suffering from CDTS (Chronic Debunking the Truthers Syndrome), but I am sure if he posts here for the debunkers, he'll do just fine.

Knock'm dead man.

TAM:)

[Calcas]

The video feed is working great.

Send some questions in guys...

[ConspiRaider]

Roger's doing pretty well. Berger is sounding more wooish as the debate continues...

[ConspiRaider]

Berger is a lying turd.

[ConspiRaider]

Berger knows nothing about the military. Everything run by the clock? BwaHaHa!

Berger's getting a lot more airtime than Roger.

Berger, again on the military, is full of turds. Need to know, everyone's a zombie, no one knows what they're working on. Balls!

Berger, now lying about Northwoods.

Berger now brings - if you can believe it - IKE into conspiracies wrought by The Gov.

Berger lying about hundreds of witnesses seeing and hearing explosions.

As Calcas indicated - BERGER IS GETTING TO DO ALL THE TALKING!!!

Berger taking it off topic, breathing particulates issue, Iraq war, standard crap about 9/11 enabling all the future ills of the Bush Administration.

Berger, feigning concern for other people in high rise buildings, what a phony turd.

Berger lying about NIST not being able to explain how the collapse happened. Did I mention Berger is a lying turd?

Roger is not getting NEARLY the air time that Berger is. UNFAIR.

Idiot caller comes on, gives a Web site for shameless promotion. Loves Berger. Berger loving him back at this time. These guys love each other. Was that a smooch?

Berger now tying Oklahoma City into the conspiracy. Now calls SCSE liars for releasing different reports. Berger cherrypicking NIST stuff, promoting his Big Lies. Berger maintaining his turdliness with zest and gusto.

Berger brings up His Hero, Kevin Ryan of UL. Lamenting Ryan's firing because he was whistleblower. Berger taking over the whole damned show!

Beginning 2nd hour, 6:00 pm Pacific time.

Caller on Norman Mineta in Cheney bunker. Oh this should be rich. Berger pouncing on it, about the mythical guy and Cheney, and the timeline. Finally ROGER gets to speak, YAY! Sheez. Just for 10 seconds or so.

Turd-Berger laughing about pancaking, big huge joke. I hate his condescending, patronizing tone.

Caller with, great, Northwoods again. Don't focus on 9/11. Focus on something from 40 years ago. What does this have to do with 9/11? Zip, that's what. Berger lying AGAIN about Northwoods, about MURDERING American citizens. Keeps mentioning murder, guess he really loves it. Roger should lay into him NOW. But is not getting the chance. Now compares 9/11 to hiring a hitman. This guy Berger is a gigantic turdboy.

Berger lying about NORAD again. This is the BERGER SHOW. Does this turd NEVER shut his yap?

Current caller is a jerk, won't "let" Roger talk. Roger is too nice, too considerate. He should be kicking ass and taking names, but we hear that he "agrees" with the caller? NO!

Berger definitely is the winner of this "debate", and it ain't even over yet. Gravy, this points up just how terrific your debate was.

This "debate" is poorly moderated. No callers taken to contradict Berger, only Roger. This entire "debate" is tilted towards the woowoos.

Berger is very very good at deception. He sounds like he knows what he is talking about - even though he is stuffed full of turds. He has the ability to sound credible, while making Roger sound defensive.

Berger now "explaining" how Building 7 leaning is perfectly in line with CD. Berger is a giant turd, I am now fully convinced of it. Now pretending to be an expert on gravity, CD, leaning.

Canadian Caller!!! Finally, a non-twoofer. Let's see how TurdBoy handles it. Talking about Nigro's statements prior to WTC 7 collapse. Naturally Berger deflects it as meaningless. Says no prior fires could ignite thermite.

Here we go with Berger lying about NORAD war games mimicking the 9/11 attacks. LIES! The turds are spewing from the lying mouth of Berger. Again - he actually sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Roger sounds defensive. Roger's a great guy. But Berger needs somebody to slap the taste out of his mouth. Berger again doing the old "Pose a dozen questions, wait for no answers" tactic. Turd.

Berger now saying that we were all put into a trance, hypnotized, on 9/11. "Induce altered state through shock and fear!". We're all TeeVee zombies. They let him get away with it. Unbelievable.

Berger is an expert at deception, believe me. He'll garner woos with this debate. People who are stupid will gravitate to Berger because he can lie so skillfully. Very deceptive, very convincing, with that annoying condescending tone that stupid people will glom onto.

Berger now gets center stage yet again. Talking about "theft" of the FDRs at the WTC site. Lying again about CVRs and FDRs that are ALWAYS found in EVERY crash.

Roger had to leave. Wonderful. Now Lie Boy gets to spew turds unopposed. I'll end my listening here, 2 hours into the show...

[Calcas]

Berger is a lying turd.

It would be nice if Berger wasn't allowed to speak 80% of the time...

[Free Thinkr]

Hey, the Infidelguy! That takes me back!

[xerox]

I caught the last maybe 20 minutes of this and now I probably wont sleep because I'm too worked up :mad:.
Berger gets all the time and just repeats the same old debunked-a-thousend-times stuff over and over again while Schueter gets no time to answer.

Schueter should seriously get 80% of the time, that would only be fair. It only takes Berger 5 seconds to repeat another lie but setting the record straight takes a lot more.

Seriously, Schueter should be less of a nice guy and treat him like the lying **** he is.

[A W Smith]

Is that our Gravy in the chat over there?

[Oliver]

Is that our Gravy in the chat over there?

Over where? :confused:


ETA: James Randi seems to be on air,too:
http://www.freethoughtmedia.com/

James Randi on the show
Hosted By: RationalResponseSquad (http://www.freethoughtmedia.com/RationalResponseSquad.ftm)
01-05-07
09:00 pm - 10:15 pm

[A W Smith]

in the stickcam chat room

[Gravy]

No, I wasn't in the chat room. I couldn't find it.

Well, I enjoyed seeing the host's reactions to some of Berger's statements, but I wish Berger wasn't allowed to spew a dozen falsehoods at a time. He's like Loose Change with arms and legs. People will think, "there must be something to this, because he's saying so much!" What a flipping ignoramus he is. Did he miss any lies?

[ConspiRaider]

No, I wasn't in the chat room. I couldn't find it.

Well, I enjoyed seeing the host's reactions to some of Berger's statements, but I wish Berger wasn't allowed to spew a dozen falsehoods at a time. He's like Loose Change with arms and legs. People will think, "there must be something to this, because he's saying so much!" What a flipping ignoramus he is. Did he miss any lies?
No Gravy, he's covered a great many of the stock lies, and very effectively. This whole "debate" goes to the woos, because that's how it was setup.

Berger, for one, came in louder and clearer than Roger. Big psychological advantage.

Berger has the ability to make even the most turdly statements sound genuine and credible. It's his delivery. He actually sounds like he knows what he's talking about. And, he's very well-versed on the lies and knows them intimately. Unlike the LC boys. Berger can speak with authority on a broad spectrum of 9/11 woo. When he stated that we were all hypnotized, put into a trance by the TeeVee on 9/11 to induce terror from The Gov - it didn't sound like the raving of a maniac. Which is exactly what it was, but his delivery is such that it comes off as reasonable and possible.

[MarkyX]

Heh, I called in and quoted Chief Daniel Nigro of WTC7 via New York Times transcript. Mike Berger just ignored it though.

[A W Smith]

there was someone in their using your handle wasnt making sence and arguing with markyx


I must say that went VERY WELL though. even though Roger had to bail early

Hay and nice job everyone in the chatroom. They had them troofers scrambling I was happy Infidel guy took my question about why didnt the fires burn the explosives in bld 7



pardon all the typos im still in type very fast mode

[ConspiRaider]

Heh, I called in and quoted Chief Daniel Nigro of WTC7 via New York Times transcript. Mike Berger just ignored it though.
I heard you Marky, and mentioned you in my running commentary a few posts up. I think you were the only non-woo they allowed in. Nice fair debate, eh?

[ConspiRaider]

Hay and nice job everyone in the chatroom. They had them troofers scrambling I was happy Infidel guy took my question about why didnt the fires burn the explosives in bld 7

Heard it, good one. But did you see how deftly Berger handled it, unopposed? Said that regular fires would not set off thermite and that was the end of that. No one questioned it. Turd spewer got away with it, just like he got away with so much tonight.

[MarkyX]

I heard you Marky, and mentioned you in my running commentary a few posts up. I think you were the only non-woo they allowed in. Nice fair debate, eh?

Yeah I am not overly impressed. I wish he kept me on the line because of the BS he is spouting could've easily been countered. HOwever, the host did not allow much debating and said allowed one side to speak so much. If I was the host of the show, I would've said "stick to one topic, jackass"

[LashL]

I called in but only got the voicemail message saying to leave a message, and couldn't get through to the 'hold' line even.

Ahh, MarkyX, I heard your call with the Daniel Nigro quote - didn't realize that it was you at the time :)

[MarkyX]

I called in but only got the voicemail message saying to leave a message, and couldn't get through to the 'hold' line even.

Ahh, MarkyX, I heard your call with the Daniel Nigro quote - didn't realize that it was you at the time :)

Yep. I listened to the entire message and it said "keep redialing to get on a live show", so I had to do that several times just to jump in.

What really annoyed me is the host didn't take advantage of the situation I placed him in. This was the Fire Commander at WTC7 who gave the order, and he lets the fool say it was "irrelevent" and he went away unchallenged. I used the quote just to show just how far 9/11 Deniers are willing to make everything fit into their pre-made conclusions.

[LashL]

Yep. I listened to the entire message and it said "keep redialing to get on a live show", so I had to do that several times just to jump in.

I saw your message on the chat board to keep redialing, which I did, but I tuned in too late, as it turned out, because shortly after that the show ended. :(

Oh well, next time!

[A W Smith]

Heard it, good one. But did you see how deftly Berger handled it, unopposed? Said that regular fires would not set off thermite and that was the end of that. No one questioned it. Turd spewer got away with it, just like he got away with so much tonight.


still... any fence sitters with a brain would have realized you still would have had to set it off with timers or wire or radio receivers which obviously would have burned up . so in a small way his canard was exposed. I expected the host to be a CTer I was pleasantly surprised he sided with us. and I laughed when in the chat room he called Non an ass kisser LOL

[Brainster]

Berger definitely had half the country in on the conspiracy by the end. Lively chatroom, Jon Gold, BG and a couple other Deniers mostly doing poorly. Props to Debunk911 and Markyx among others for holding up the good fight.

Of course, major, major kudos to SezMe for carrying the JREF banner proudly!

:bigclap

[ConspiRaider]

still... any fence sitters with a brain would have realized you still would have had to set it off with timers or wire or radio receivers which obviously would have burned up . so in a small way his canard was exposed. I expected the host to be a CTer I was pleasantly surprised he sided with us. and I laughed when in the chat room he called Non an ass kisser LOL
Because the host allowed this "debate" to be wide open, a skilled liar like Berger was able to run rampant over Roger, a non-CT and the host, also a non-CT. Anyone listening could determine that Berger easily controlled the show, had more talk time than the host and Roger combined. Berger did NOT sound defensive. Roger and the host sounded defensive. Berger was on the attack always, and was never at a loss for words. He definitely has his turdly lies very well memorized and categorized. He constantly pointed the show in the direction HE wanted it to go.

A good lesson in tactics when publicly debating these turdly woowoo artists. If you let them talk about the WHOLE of 9/11 - then a skilled deceiver in the art of woo can win the debate. A constantly moving target. Stick and move, stick and move. Notice that Hardfire was NOT like that. Only a few topics covered.

This Berger turdboy is a force to be reckoned with. Stupid people: Here is your leader! Bring your scoops, stupid people, so you don't miss any of the turds spewing out of Berger's mouth.

[Gravy]

Hey, Berger's been at this for years. He's the leader of a major twoofer organization, he gives speeches, writes columns, talks to the media as much as possible. Roger's been doing media for what, two weeks? And Berger couldn't answer his questions? Had to keep changing the subject?

If you'd had another hour, Roger, you would have had him saying the entire Earth, plus the population of Planet X, was in on it.

[A W Smith]

Because the host allowed this "debate" to be wide open, a skilled liar like Berger was able to run rampant over Roger, a non-CT and the host, also a non-CT. Anyone listening could determine that Berger easily controlled the show, had more talk time than the host and Roger combined. Berger did NOT sound defensive. Roger and the host sounded defensive. Berger was on the attack always, and was never at a loss for words. He definitely has his turdly lies very well memorized and categorized. He constantly pointed the show in the direction HE wanted it to go.

A good lesson in tactics when publicly debating these turdly woowoo artists. If you let them talk about the WHOLE of 9/11 - then a skilled deceiver in the art of woo can win the debate. A constantly moving target. Stick and move, stick and move. Notice that Hardfire was NOT like that. Only a few topics covered.

This Berger turdboy is a force to be reckoned with. Stupid people: Here is your leader! Bring your scoops, stupid people, so you don't miss any of the turds spewing out of Berger's mouth.


Yes this is true I defiantly didn't like the way the show was going for the first 15 mins or so. Roger was able to make very good points though Need to be more aggressive and jump in to counter his Bergers BS before he gets too far ahead, I am not a good speaker so i would never call in. But those who do maybe should call in slightly in advance of future shows or at least have their finger on speed dial once the show begins. don't wait for a point to come up You know they will by the time you get through. Is this not only the second or third show we have had to present the true facts? maybe I'm just too much an optimist but i don't think it went too badly. I mean even the host can be heard to snicker on many occasions and thats not a good sign for the twoofers.

[LashL]

Hey, Berger's been at this for years. He's the leader of a major twoofer organization, he gives speeches, writes columns, talks to the media as much as possible. Roger's been doing media for what, two weeks? And Berger couldn't answer his questions? Had to keep changing the subject?

If you'd had another hour, Roger, you would have had him saying the entire Earth, plus the population of Planet X, was in on it.

Exactly. Roger did a great job, especially for being new to the media aspect of this!

Berger has been attention mongering for years and he does do a good job of not sounding as crazy as some of the other conspiraloons but Roger still had Berger having to resort to the usual twoofer tactic of changing the subject and tossing up strawmen when he knew that Roger had him beat on certain points.

And yes, Berger was forced into continuously having to acknowledge a wider and wider and wider conspiracy of thousands as Roger kept hammering on that point with each new conspiracy talking point that Berger brought up.

I predict that Roger will get better and better at this over the next very short while and Berger won't know what hit him when they do a 'rematch' :D

Kudos to you, Roger!

:bigclap

[LashL]

I am not a good speaker so i would never call in. But those who do maybe should call in slightly in advance of future shows or at least have their finger on speed dial once the show begins. don't wait for a point to come up You know they will by the time you get through.

Yeah, I'd never heard of the show until tonight and didn't get there until around the halfway mark, and even then didn't realize it was a "call in" show until later. Then when I did call in, I got the voicemail and after it said "leave a message, etc." didn't listen to the rest of it and just hung up. Then, in the chat room, I saw MarkyX say to keep redialing, so I did but it was too late by then as the show ended shortly thereafter and I never got past the voicemail.

But next time, I'll make a point of logging in at the beginning and will keep that "redial" button busy until I get through and on the air :)

[SezMe]

Thanks a lot for the kudos. I tell you, it was a VERY frustrating experiece - it just seemed like he kept throwing s*** at the fan just to see what would stick. And I seriously fault myself in three areas: 1) I did let him hog air time more than I should have, 2) I did not have near enough facts at hand to counter his crap, and 3) I should have been more forceful in trying to keep us on topic.

I know many of you would have done much better than I but, as I wrote to Reggie, you go into the debate with the guy you got, not the guy you want (thanks, Rummy).

If I get another opportunity, I'm going to press for more preparation time and work up a notebook with tabs to info on each incident, NORAD, the FAA, thermite, etc so I can turn quickly to the topic and rebut any errors. But such a notebook would have to be a meter thick to anticipate all the areas Berger got to. I mean what the hell does the Warren Commission have to do with 9/11.

[beachnut]

I think Reggie is not use to people telling lies so broadly.

The host seems to be learning that the CT guys are full of lies. Must have just discovered the minority of loons.

[A W Smith]

did I misspell anything else? hmm looks OK never mind

[LashL]

did I misspell anything else? hmm looks OK never mind

No, I don't think so. Looks okay from here.

[ConspiRaider]

Thanks a lot for the kudos. I tell you, it was a VERY frustrating experiece - it just seemed like he kept throwing s*** at the fan just to see what would stick. And I seriously fault myself in three areas: 1) I did let him hog air time more than I should have, 2) I did not have near enough facts at hand to counter his crap, and 3) I should have been more forceful in trying to keep us on topic.

I know many of you would have done much better than I but, as I wrote to Reggie, you go into the debate with the guy you got, not the guy you want (thanks, Rummy).

If I get another opportunity, I'm going to press for more preparation time and work up a notebook with tabs to info on each incident, NORAD, the FAA, thermite, etc so I can turn quickly to the topic and rebut any errors. But such a notebook would have to be a meter thick to anticipate all the areas Berger got to. I mean what the hell does the Warren Commission have to do with 9/11.
Hi Roger -

Trying to counter Turd Spewer Berger's tactics was a tall order for anyone. You did the best you could. I wouldn't have even tried. But we got educated. I had no idea who Turdboy was until yesterday, I'm sure many of us didn't. Gravy knew, but Gravy knows a TONNE.

If Berger's the best turd spewer they've got - his tactics can be neutralized. He cannot waver from them, else he's sunk. Thing is, we've got truth, fact, honesty and good intentions on our side.

One other thing. Turdboy sounded louder than you, as if he was right in the studio with Reggie. You sounded further off, as if you were calling in. That was a psychological advantage to His Turdliness. Hopefully a rematch won't allow that to happen again.

[SezMe]

Before going on the air, Reggie did a sound level test. Berger sounded more faint to both Reggie and I so I think he made some adjustment but maybe overcompensated.

[A W Smith]

there was this crazy echo the first few moments of the show also.

[Oliver]

Did someone found a link to the MP3 of the dabate?

[LashL]

I don't know if there's an mp3 link to it, Oliver. Some of us from here listened to it live and participated in the simultaneous chat, though.