Larry Silverstein..9-11's Great Mastermind?

[parky76]

one thing that really bothers me abut the 9-11 denial movemant is this focus on larry silverstein. the accusation, is that he bought the wtc, rigged them with explosiives, blew them up, and is now reaping untold insurance fortunes from the disaster.

to me..this is the greatest accusation of "jewish lightning" ever conceived. jewish lightning is the cocept that jewish landlords in crappy nyc neighborhoods purposefully set their buildings ablaze as to get the insurance money.

and thats basically what we have been accused here. evil zionist silverstein, buys property only to destroy it, because its not making any money, has to be cleaned of asbestos, and maybe he even wants to snuff out a few gentile lives in the process.

why the 9-11 denial movemant does not see the terribly inherent anti-semitism in this whole argument is striking, and very disapointing.

but the fact is, after the 1993 bombing, it would have been terribly foolish NOT to have a huge terrorism stipulation in any insurance of the wtc.

the fact is...the wtc was indeed making money and rebounded from a slump in the mid- 1990's

the fact is larry silverstein actually had to pay rent for the wtc, even after it was destroyed, if he wanted to rebuild.

the fact is, even with the insurance money, with the wtc rebuilt, silverstein will not have made a fortune from the insurance.

and the fact is..if larry made a decision with the FDNY to "pull it"...meaning to collapse the building...that would make the FDNY conspirators in the destruction of the wtc. maybe the 9-11 deniars should think about that before they go accusing people of mass murder.

[Fnord]

In My Humble Opinion...

1) A religion is a belief in an idea that is taken as fact based on faith alone (Hypothesis).

2) 911 Twoofers believe in their idea as fact based on their faith alone (faith in a skewed database and the Evil of Politicians).

:: 911 Twoofing is a religion.

Further...

1) You are slamming 911 Twoofers and their Twoofing.

:: You are slamming a religion and its followers.

(Your opinions may vary.)


-Fnord of Dyscordia-

[Gravy]

It's Silverstein's unprovoked and dastardly attack on the U.S.S. Liberty that really sticks in my craw.

[Architect]

Was that right after he invaded Poland?

[parky76]

wasnt it also silverstein who nailed jesus to the cross?
no i meant...he was the one who spread the black death.

wait no..silverstein blew up the USS Maine right?

[Architect]

And sunk into Scapa Flow and sunk all our ships.......

[Bell]

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning Silverstein created the heavens and the earth.

[Oliver]

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning Silverstein created the heavens and the earth.

Before or after the controlled big bang? :confused:

[Architect]

No no no no no no.

He was the snake. Or possibly the serpent, depending upon which Bible we use.

[ConspiRaider]

Ever notice how the Crab Nebula looks exactly like Silverstein during his PBS interview? Man. One minute you got a star, the next thing he "pulls it" apart...

[parky76]

http://images.ibsys.com/2001/0917/962844.jpg

Larry Silverstein?

[ConspiRaider]

Remember in the 70s when everyone - and I mean everyone - had a Where's Jimmy? bumper sticker after Hoffa went missing?

Guess who the one exception to that rule was. Hint: Hoffa - cement overshoes. WTCs = cement dust less than 1 micron.

[T.A.M.]

I believe Rick Rajter refers to Larry et al as the "Philistines", or at least I read it in a quote from him somehwere.

TAM

[Dinsdale Piranha]

...and sank the Titanic.

Iceberg.
Goldberg.
Steinberg.

just connect the dots.

[Kage]

Silverstein is the father of nearly every kid in the town.

[Architect]

He steals odd socks from my drawers........

[Bell]

He's a great joker at parties... "Pull my finger..."

[parky76]

as far as the 9-11 Deniars go...all they need to know is that Larry Silverstein is a Jew. That makes him an evil Zionist..and the mastermind of the WTC collapses.

I really hope...some day...these folks will look in the mirror and ask

"what have I done?"

[jhunter1163]

Didn't he shoot J. R. Ewing? Or was that Freddy Silverman?

[ConspiRaider]

He steals odd socks from my drawers........
Today he's Larry The Puller, but back in London in 1888 couldn't he have been Jack The...?

[Bell]

I still don't understand how he can use the phrase 'pull it' to descibe both destroying and constructing a building. He shouted 'pull it' at the workers who hauled the big stones to build the Great Pyramide of Giza.

[28th Kingdom]

one thing that really bothers me abut the 9-11 denial movemant is this focus on larry silverstein. the accusation, is that he bought the wtc, rigged them with explosiives, blew them up, and is now reaping untold insurance fortunes from the disaster.

to me..this is the greatest accusation of "jewish lightning" ever conceived. jewish lightning is the cocept that jewish landlords in crappy nyc neighborhoods purposefully set their buildings ablaze as to get the insurance money.

and thats basically what we have been accused here. evil zionist silverstein, buys property only to destroy it, because its not making any money, has to be cleaned of asbestos, and maybe he even wants to snuff out a few gentile lives in the process.

One of the most damaging practices you deniers exercise during these 9/11 debates... is the projection of your "assumptions," and/or crippled reasoning onto something a 9/11 has said i.e. putting words in mouth syndrome. This mindless act of buffoonery completely distorts your view and/or perception of our theories.

Case in point... if I link to a video that shows NYFD saying WTC 7 is about to be blown up... you all conclude that I'm saying the NYFD was in on 9/11 or that they are covering it up. That's a completely ineffectual deduction... generated through myopia and a lack of common sense.

It's like saying the agents who invaded the Branch Davidian, knew they were killing innocent women and children. They're just taking orders... if they are told that someone is criminal... than they just assume they're doing (a good thing) their job by bringing them to justice... whether that means by arrest or execution.

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.

[Arus808]

One of the most damaging practices you deniers exercise during these 9/11 debates... is the projection of your "assumptions," and/or crippled reasoning onto something a 9/11 has said i.e. putting words in mouth syndrome. This mindless act of buffoonery completely distorts your view and/or perception of our theories.

well, the pot is calling the kettle black.

[Big Les]

They're just taking orders... if they are told that someone is criminal... than they just assume they're doing (a good thing) their job by bringing them to justice... whether that means by arrest or execution.

And what YOU seem unable to compute, is that even if you believe FDNY (not NYFD btw) or any other witnesses were "just following orders" re your supposed conspiracy, NONE of them have apparently considered the implications of this latter-day Nuremburg defence and blown the whistle. None of your supposed dupes and patsies have gone to the authorities or media.

[stateofgrace]

One of the most damaging practices you deniers exercise during these 9/11 debates... is the projection of your "assumptions," and/or crippled reasoning onto something a 9/11 has said i.e. putting words in mouth syndrome. This mindless act of buffoonery completely distorts your view and/or perception of our theories.

Case in point... if I link to a video that shows NYFD saying WTC 7 is about to be blown up... you all conclude that I'm saying the NYFD was in on 9/11 or that they are covering it up. That's a completely ineffectual deduction... generated through myopia and a lack of common sense.

It's like saying the agents who invaded the Branch Davidian, knew they were killing innocent women and children. They're just taking orders... if they are told that someone is criminal... than they just assume they're doing (a good thing) their job by bringing them to justice... whether that means by arrest or execution.

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.

Ok let’s play out your scenario.

The FDNY simply accepted orders but were not part of the actual act.

So what then? For the last five years they have simply obeyed orders, they are not concerned that the orders they were given is part of a dastardly plot? They just want to keep quiet about it all?

You are accusing the FDNY, which ever way you try to sugar coat your silly theories.

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.

[eeyore1954]

It's Silverstein's unprovoked and dastardly attack on the U.S.S. Liberty that really sticks in my craw.

That's nothing compared to what the NWO did at Mt St Helens.

[switchtech]

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.

The road to an imaginary location can only be paved in the imagination, so I guess, technically, you are correct - intentions are the thoughts one has about a desired outcome, an imagined outcome. How the decadence bit fits with intentions, though, I'm not sure.

[parky76]

members of the FDNY knew that the building was gonna come down. how? they had their eyes and ears open and they could see and hear..that the building was in bad shape and knew it wouldnt last.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

He's a great joker at parties... "Pull my finger..."
lol...

Silverstein: "Go ahead... Pull it."
Truther: "Well, alright, but... isn't that going to hurt? Like... a lot?"

[ConspiRaider]

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.
Great Teacher -

I just polished off 2 pieces of cheesecake and followed that up with a pint of Ben & Jerry's then washed it all down with a liter of Malibu Rum. All acts of decadence, I know that now, Great Teacher. But at the time I did not KNOW they were decadent! Honest! Couldn't you let me slide on the ignorance clause just this once?

I mean I really don't want to go to hell and see all that good-intentioned food planted along the road leading me there. I hate broccoli, and tofu, seaweed, lichens, red moss, sycamore bark and of course elderberries (although high in anti-oxidants and my father smelt of them). Just GETTING to hell would be hell enough for me.

[Architect]

members of the FDNY knew that the building was gonna come down. how? they had their eyes and ears open and they could see and hear..that the building was in bad shape and knew it wouldnt last.


As an aside, in the UK it is quite normal to have engineers from Local Authority Building Control Departments attend severe fires in order to advise the Fire Brigade on the risk of collapse.

[Myriad]

Everyone knows that Silverstein didn't just say "pull it" at the scene, as he later reported. I have a secret recording of the whole event. What he actually said was this:

Light that fuse.
Leave behind no clues.
Step on a crack.
Break your mother's back.

When a problem comes along.
You must pull it.
Before the lease goes on too long.
You must pull it.
When something's going wrong.
You must pull it.

now pull it.
to the ground.
shake it down.
get straight.
go forward.
move ahead.
they won't detect it.
it's not too late.
to pull it.
pull it good.

When a good time turns around.
You must pull it.
You will never live it down.
Unless you pull it.
No one gets their way.
Until they pull it.

I say pull it.
Pull it good.

(With apologies to Devo)

Respectfully,
Myriad

[jhunter1163]

Great work, Myriad.

There's a whole thread of stuff like that buried here.. check out "9/11: The Musical". It features a song Mercutio wrote to the tune of "Reviewing the Situation" from "Oliver Twist". That one actually got recorded. Hopefully Greyleonard is still hosting it.

(whispers modestly) I sang it.. ;)

[~enigma~]

if I link to a video that shows NYFD saying WTC 7 is about to be blown up... you all conclude that I'm saying the NYFD was in on 9/11 or that they are covering it up. That's a completely ineffectual deduction... generated through myopia and a lack of common sense.

It's like saying the agents who invaded the Branch Davidian, knew they were killing innocent women and children. They're just taking orders... if they are told that someone is criminal... than they just assume they're doing (a good thing) their job by bringing them to justice... whether that means by arrest or execution.

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.So you wouldn't be claiming that the FDNY was in on it, you would be claiming that they were to dumb to know they were in on it? I think someone else here is to dumb. Any idea who I mean Sherlock?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045627a2870bd1.jpg

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Case in point... if I link to a video that shows NYFD saying WTC 7 is about to be blown up... you all conclude that I'm saying the NYFD was in on 9/11 or that they are covering it up. That's a completely ineffectual deduction... generated through myopia and a lack of common sense.

We'll keep that in mind if you ever produce a video of the FDNY saying WTC7 was blown up.

[defaultdotxbe]

Ok let’s play out your scenario.

The FDNY simply accepted orders but were not part of the actual act.

So what then? For the last five years they have simply obeyed orders, they are not concerned that the orders they were given is part of a dastardly plot? They just want to keep quiet about it all?

You are accusing the FDNY, which ever way you try to sugar coat your silly theories.

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.
its CTer doublethink, someone can plant the bombs, pull the trigger, knowingly and willingly keep silent about it, but unless they were part of the planning stage they arent guilty

[fuelair]

Ever notice how the Crab Nebula looks exactly like Silverstein during his PBS interview? Man. One minute you got a star, the next thing he "pulls it" apart...

Not unlike the CTers who , I suspect, are constantly watching their little videos while pulling something.

[LashL]

Everyone knows that Silverstein didn't just say "pull it" at the scene, as he later reported. I have a secret recording of the whole event. What he actually said was this:

Light that fuse.
Leave behind no clues.
Step on a crack.
Break your mother's back.

When a problem comes along.
You must pull it.
Before the lease goes on too long.
You must pull it.
When something's going wrong.
You must pull it.

now pull it.
to the ground.
shake it down.
get straight.
go forward.
move ahead.
they won't detect it.
it's not too late.
to pull it.
pull it good.

When a good time turns around.
You must pull it.
You will never live it down.
Unless you pull it.
No one gets their way.
Until they pull it.

I say pull it.
Pull it good.

(With apologies to Devo)

Respectfully,
Myriad

:D

[Architect]

Sorry for the delay in responding; I as just explaining to the wife how Larry Silverstein left the toilet seat up..........

[Myriad]

There's a whole thread of stuff like that buried here.. check out "9/11: The Musical". It features a song Mercutio wrote to the tune of "Reviewing the Situation" from "Oliver Twist". That one actually got recorded. Hopefully Greyleonard is still hosting it.

(whispers modestly) I sang it.. ;)

Very nice, and what a great thread. Also a successful intro to the keyword search feature, for me! I'm not in a thread-startin' mood right now (since I'll be travelling and might not be able to follow up) but perhaps sometime in the near future might be a good time for a Musical Sequel. I know I can do better than just changing a few words in a Devo song.

[walks away humming to self: "I am the very model of a theorist of conspiracy, There's nothing I don't know about structural engineeracy..."]

Respectfully,
Myriad

[maccy]

Even though people who claim to be anti-Zionists will go on a lot about how Zionist does not mean Jew (and cite various Jews who are opposed to Zionism) you will typically find that they will only accuse Jews of being Zionists. There are plenty of non-Jews who believe in the right of the State of Israel to continue to exist in pretty much the form that it exists today, weirdly enough they are never accused of having ulterior motives or of getting the US to fight a war for Israel.

[28th Kingdom]

We'll keep that in mind if you ever produce a video of the FDNY saying WTC7 was blown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr5TxKTMRx0

Whoopsie. And, of course, the great tall tale of no explosions going off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnbpz9udYus

[Architect]

Of course 28th's dud links are rather knackered by

(a) The "explosion" sounds more like something hitting the ground

(b) The suggested similar video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TL_PEMkdM&mode=related&search= where it is stated that "what we were expecting to happen all afternoon has finally happened".

[LashL]

Hey, 28th: check out my signature line and this cool badge that Oliver made for me.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1110345a013a123335.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=3506)

[A W Smith]

Sorry for the delay in responding; I as just explaining to the wife how Larry Silverstein left the toilet seat up..........


So THATS where Silverstein dumped the two quarts of oil he stole out of my wifes POS chrysler sebring today!!

[LashL]

I'm still trying to figure out what Larry slipped into my dog's food that made her so ill this morning.

[jhunter1163]

Larry's also responsible for global warming, El Nino, and the ozone hole...

[Fnord]

The road to an imaginary location can only be paved in the imagination, so I guess, technically, you are correct - intentions are the thoughts one has about a desired outcome, an imagined outcome. How the decadence bit fits with intentions, though, I'm not sure.

Psst! Hell is not imaginary. It even has its own zip code! (48196).

The following is ripped from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan, to which full credit should be given.

On July 15, 1961, a postal substation was established at Hell. (It remains today, at the back of the general store.)

Hell Creek runs through town, and through a small dam; a bar next to the creek is known as "The Dam Site Inn".

Hell also sponsors a running event called "Run Thru Hell 10 mile and 4.8 mile race." Each participant is given a T-shirt that says "I Ran Thru Hell".

Kiwanis International chartered the Kiwanis Club of Hell, Michigan on December 15, 2001 as the Michigan District's first Internet club. The club meets in private AOL chatroom, "Kiwanis Online."

Hell also had a party on June 06, 2006 (6/6/6). Among other things, they had live entertainment and a costume contest. There were souvenirs, most selling for $6.66.

Because of Michigan's climate, Hell "freezes over" every winter. Because of this, the phrase "when Hell freezes over …" is laughed at by those who know of this small town.


See you in Hell!

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

[switchtech]

Psst! Hell is not imaginary. It even has its own zip code! (48196).

The following is ripped from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan, to which full credit should be given.

<snipping for space - but fun data>

See you in Hell!

-Fnord of Dyscordia-


Ya know, Paradise is in Texas (zip 76073) - but apparently only about 500 people reside there (so much for the 144000). And the funny thing is Paradise is generally hotter than Hell!

Hail Eris. <ignore the fnord- there is no fnord- if you ignore the fnord it can't hurt you...> ;)

[LashL]

Speaking of weird town names, Pennsylvania seems to have more than its share with Intercourse and Gobblers Knob. But in keeping with the conspiracy theory theme of the forum, I think Looneyville, West Virginia is a keeper.

[JimBenArm]

Speaking of weird town names, Pennsylvania seems to have more than its share with Intercourse and Gobblers Knob. But in keeping with the conspiracy theory theme of the forum, I think Looneyville, West Virginia is a keeper.
What about Peculiar, MO?

[PerryLogan]

Also:
Bug Tussle, Texas
Anxiety Point, Alaska
Total Wreck, Arizona

[jhunter1163]

PA also has Mars, Cheesequake and King of Prussia. They're all near Philly. So, yes, I've been to Mars, survived the Cheesequake and thumbed my nose at King of Prussia.

[LashL]

PA also has Mars, Cheesequake and King of Prussia. They're all near Philly. So, yes, I've been to Mars, survived the Cheesequake and thumbed my nose at King of Prussia.

:dl:

[Poetry Hound]

Today's NYT (Feb 8 '07) has a story on an insurance company that owes Silverstein $250 million having difficulty coming up with the money, and this is delaying rebuilding at Ground Zero.

"The money from Royal & SunAlliance USA . . . represents less than 3% of the total cost of the massive project, now estimated at $9 billion. But with a fragile budget and rapidly escalating construction costs, every dollar counts. Mr. Silverstein's aides say he may miss construction deadlines if the insurer fails to pay up, or he could be forced to scale back the project, which includes the 1,776-foot tall Freedom Tower and 3 other skyscrapers."

So the rebuilding cost for the moment is $9 billion. Does that include the cost of the already rebuilt WTC 7?

Furthermore, "The insurance proceeds, about $4.6 billion, only covered about half the total cost. The other half had to be made up with a combination of state, federal and private financing."

So where's the big "profit" Silverstein supposedly made off 911?

[Firestone]

So the rebuilding cost for the moment is $9 billion. Does that include the cost of the already rebuilt WTC 7?No.
That was Silverstein's property and was separately insured.

Furthermore, "The insurance proceeds, about $4.6 billion, only covered about half the total cost. The other half had to be made up with a combination of state, federal and private financing."

So where's the big "profit" Silverstein supposedly made off 911?Asking that question is answering it. ;)

[Poetry Hound]

So if the $4.6 billion is all going towards the Ground Zero projects, how much did Silverstein get from insurance companies to put towards rebuilding WTC 7?

[tsig]

One of the most damaging practices you deniers exercise during these 9/11 debates... is the projection of your "assumptions," and/or crippled reasoning onto something a 9/11 has said i.e. putting words in mouth syndrome. This mindless act of buffoonery completely distorts your view and/or perception of our theories.

Case in point... if I link to a video that shows NYFD saying WTC 7 is about to be blown up... you all conclude that I'm saying the NYFD was in on 9/11 or that they are covering it up. That's a completely ineffectual deduction... generated through myopia and a lack of common sense.

It's like saying the agents who invaded the Branch Davidian, knew they were killing innocent women and children. They're just taking orders... if they are told that someone is criminal... than they just assume they're doing (a good thing) their job by bringing them to justice... whether that means by arrest or execution.

Remember... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So be mindful... as ignorance is no excuse for participation in acts of decadence.

Is there some sense in this?

I go to hell gladly as long as there are no beilievers.

[burnvictim77]

one thing that really bothers me abut the 9-11 denial movemant is this focus on larry silverstein. the accusation, is that he bought the wtc, rigged them with explosiives, blew them up, and is now reaping untold insurance fortunes from the disaster.

to me..this is the greatest accusation of "jewish lightning" ever conceived. jewish lightning is the cocept that jewish landlords in crappy nyc neighborhoods purposefully set their buildings ablaze as to get the insurance money.

and thats basically what we have been accused here. evil zionist silverstein, buys property only to destroy it, because its not making any money, has to be cleaned of asbestos, and maybe he even wants to snuff out a few gentile lives in the process.

why the 9-11 denial movemant does not see the terribly inherent anti-semitism in this whole argument is striking, and very disapointing.

but the fact is, after the 1993 bombing, it would have been terribly foolish NOT to have a huge terrorism stipulation in any insurance of the wtc.

the fact is...the wtc was indeed making money and rebounded from a slump in the mid- 1990's

the fact is larry silverstein actually had to pay rent for the wtc, even after it was destroyed, if he wanted to rebuild.

the fact is, even with the insurance money, with the wtc rebuilt, silverstein will not have made a fortune from the insurance.

and the fact is..if larry made a decision with the FDNY to "pull it"...meaning to collapse the building...that would make the FDNY conspirators in the destruction of the wtc. maybe the 9-11 deniars should think about that before they go accusing people of mass murder.


Also, Silversteins "jewishness" makes him clever enough to basically run the world and herd the gentiles, but also makes him so stupid that he goes on television and admits that he blew his own building up. And the insurance companies still paid him untold zillions to add to his giant vault of gold.

Yes, now that you point it out, it is a pretty inflamatory accusation against Silverstein. There is a lot of anti-semitism floating around in conspiracy theories.

[Firestone]

So if the $4.6 billion is all going towards the Ground Zero projects, how much did Silverstein get from insurance companies to put towards rebuilding WTC 7?861 million $.

Industrial Risk Insurers is set to pay around $861 million to Silverstein for the lost building, which the company has owned since the 1980's, long before it acquired the master lease on the WTC. The debt on the property is around $383 million, much of it securitized as mortgage bonds.
...
If Silverstein Properties decides to pay off the bondholders at face value, which it has no yet formally announced it will do, it would decrease the funds available for the company to begin rebuilding, but would avoid a fight with the bondholders, who have argued that they purchased securities backed by an existing property, and did not intend to provide construction financing.

Source (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2002/06/07/15925.htm)

The new WTC7 was built for 700 million $.

[PerryLogan]

The "pull it" fantasy is an example of the remarkable conspiratorial belief that the perps publicly confess their crimes.

CTs are always saying the perps have blurted out a confession of some kind--only you can't see it. It's part of the weirdness of conspiracy people.

There is an undeniable anti-Semitic connection with regard to Silverstein. But I'm also sure the CTs would be all over the story even if Silverstein were Irish. CTs seem to have no problem believing what seems absurd to the rest of us--that the perps confess to everything. I doubt that any other group of people in the world thinks in this way.

CTs are always finding "confessions" that no one else can hear! Some of them think Cheney admitted to shooting one of the planes on 9/11. Alex Jones thinks the secret ruling elite have openly confessed that they intend to kill 80% of us (and that's how he predicts the future). Sometimes conspiracy folks will claim that the plan was deliberately foreshadowed in a novel or a movie. Why they would do this they will not say.

So CTs have no problem believing the perps confess all the time. But normal people can't hear the confessions. Hence the bullhorns.

[Firestone]

The "pull it" fantasy is an example of the remarkable conspiratorial belief that the perps publicly confess their crimes.

CTs are always saying the perps have blurted out a confession of some kind--only you can't see it. It's part of the weirdness of conspiracy people.

There is an undeniable anti-Semitic connection with regard to Silverstein. But I'm also sure the CTs would be all over the story even if Silverstein were Irish. CTs seem to have no problem believing what seems absurd to the rest of us--that the perps confess to everything. I doubt that any other group of people in the world thinks in this way.

CTs are always finding "confessions" that no one else can hear! Some of them think Cheney admitted to shooting one of the planes on 9/11. Alex Jones thinks the secret ruling elite have openly confessed that they intend to kill 80% of us (and that's how he predicts the future). Sometimes conspiracy folks will claim that the plan was deliberately foreshadowed in a novel or a movie. Why they would do this they will not say.

So CTs have no problem believing the perps confess all the time. But normal people can't hear the confessions. Hence the bullhorns.While I totally agree with your assesment of the CTs, my guess is that had Silverstein not been a Jew, the story would have been played differently.

Let's look at the scenario without lease-operation:
The NYNJPA had insurance for the WTC-complex of 1.5 billion $ per occurence. If the trials about "one or two occurences" had gone for them as they went for Silverstein, the NYNJPA would have received some 2 billion $ insurance money. That's quite a loss!
Of course there would have been no rental income after 9/11.
In short, the attacks would have been a much greater financial catastrophy for the NYNJPA.

Thanks to the lease, the NYNJPA continues to receive lease (some 120 million $ a year), and it's the leasee's responsability to rebuild the complex.

So, my guess is that, with a gentile leasee, the bad guy would have been the NYNJPA, who knew what was coming and framed a hard-working patriotic businessman. Surely there must be some Jewish guy in the NYNJPA-hierarchy. ;)

Of course, we'll never know how they would have spinned it.
But I fully trust them to have found something!

[Poetry Hound]

The "pull it" fantasy is an example of the remarkable conspiratorial belief that the perps publicly confess their crimes.

CTs are always saying the perps have blurted out a confession of some kind--only you can't see it. It's part of the weirdness of conspiracy people.


This is a useful observation. I've noticed CTers engaging in this sort of willful misinterpretation all the time. Another example is when Shanksville coroner Wallace Stevens, in talking about when he first arrived at the Flight 93 crash site, said, "There were no bodies there." Of course, he was expressing his initial shock and was referring to no intact bodies. But even though he also discussed the body parts found, the DNA analysis, etc., the CTers just focus on that one phrase and exclaim, "Aha! There were no bodies. See? Even the coroner said so." Utter lunacy.

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This is a useful observation. I've noticed CTers engaging in this sort of willful misinterpretation all the time. Another example is when Shanksville coroner Wallace Stevens, in talking about when he first arrived at the Flight 93 crash site, said, "There were no bodies there." Of course, he was expressing his initial shock and was referring to no intact bodies. But even though he also discussed the body parts found, the DNA analysis, etc., the CTers just focus on that one phrase and exclaim, "Aha! There were no bodies. See? Even the coroner said so." Utter lunacy.
Correct, Hound.

And it's amazing how successful and effective that method of misinformation really is. This was honed and perfected to the nth degree via the JFK conspiracists.

I've lost count of the number of adults - smart ones - in their 40s, 50s, 60s - who stupidly repeat the verse about the "magic bullet" pounded into them by turd-spewing conspiracy theorists. The one about "How could a bullet go through somebody, turn left, stop in midair, then turn right and..."

Sick. But this strategy is used over and over for a simple reason: It works.