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jmhite
7th January 2007, 02:52 PM
Has any study been done with the stories of animals traveling long distances to get back home?
I was just reading a series of stories in The New Book of Lists about this. Perhaps the stories are exagertions or the people were confused about the animal being their lost pet.
Most interesting are the stories of an animal going long distances to a new home that they had never been to. IF these stories are true, then the animal is using some sense we do not know about to find their human family.
I lost a cat after a move to a new house. A month after he was lost I was visiting the former residence to take care of a friend's cat. While there I found my lost cat hiding in a drainage ditch. He was scared and really hungry, but he had found his way back to that house. He was born at that house and had never been taken anywhere else. The two houses were 3 miles apart and separated by a canyon and a busy highway.
Most of these stories are anedoctal and it would seem a cruel test to strip away pets from their owners to see if they ever show up.
casebro
7th January 2007, 03:34 PM
My sister in law sold an adult Malamute to somebody moving to Colorado. Two weeks later it was back to her house in San Diego, with well worn foot pads. Too bad nobody had any contact info on the buyer. We don't know if the dog jumped out of the truck in the suburbs, or escaped after making it to Denver. I can understand the buyer not calling to say "You dog is gone. I'm a lousy pet owner..."
blutoski
7th January 2007, 11:02 PM
Has any study been done with the stories of animals traveling long distances to get back home?
I was just reading a series of stories in The New Book of Lists about this. Perhaps the stories are exagertions or the people were confused about the animal being their lost pet.
Most interesting are the stories of an animal going long distances to a new home that they had never been to. IF these stories are true, then the animal is using some sense we do not know about to find their human family.
I lost a cat after a move to a new house. A month after he was lost I was visiting the former residence to take care of a friend's cat. While there I found my lost cat hiding in a drainage ditch. He was scared and really hungry, but he had found his way back to that house. He was born at that house and had never been taken anywhere else. The two houses were 3 miles apart and separated by a canyon and a busy highway.
Most of these stories are anedoctal and it would seem a cruel test to strip away pets from their owners to see if they ever show up.
I'd like to know more about this, too.
There are obvious plausible explanations, not the least of which is that it's not the original animal. eg: parents put an animal down, say it's lost during the move, and buy a replacement - young kids don't know the difference, but will tell the story of how Fido followed them from New York to LA.
James Randi has an anecdote about how he lost a favourite cat while on vacation as a kid, renting a cabin by a lake 300km from his home. A week later, the cat showed up on their breakfast table at home. The explanation: the family a few houses down the street rented the exact same cabin starting the day they left it, and 'adopted' the stray cat that showed up, taking it home with them at the end of the week's vacation. However, he didn't have an explanation until the neighbours put up lost cat signs. Fortunately, things got straightened out.
Anyway, I'll be monitoring this thread, because this is one of those 'plausible' topics within Skepticism. I can see that some animals could very well have found their way back to a familiar location, given enough time and a relatively short distance, and a lot of luck. But some of the stories sound utterly impossible. Cat lost in India, shows up in New Hampshire. Suuuure it did.
I lost a cat while living in the West End - it jumped out a 3rd story window - and searched for weeks. A month later, I found it while jogging in Stanley Park. She was skinny and her fur was a mess, but it was a happy reunion. The odds of us crossing paths over a mile away from my apartment were *very* slim, but not zero.
El Greco
8th January 2007, 01:33 AM
There are cases better documented and in my opinion much more exciting than pets, eg turtles (like the one in my avatar) finding their way back to the beach where they were born.
hipparchia
8th January 2007, 01:56 AM
We lost our cat once. We'd left her with a family while we were away on vacation. She escaped from their house and hid in their yard for a couple of weeks. Then we visited again and out came the cat, somehow skinny, out of a woodshed. But she did not try to return to our place, which is only 10 kilometers away.
My mother, however, tells a story of a cat returning from a greater distance. My great-grandmother kept cats in the yard. When they became too many, she would take one or two and put them on a cargo train. Then one day she put the smartest old cat on the train. Weeks later, the cat returned. Several days after that she died from exhaustion.
We've transported many cats away from home (all but the current one were unable to live in an apartment in a civilized manner). None have returned.
MRC_Hans
8th January 2007, 02:33 AM
There are more than one explanation here. Of course, some animals have navigational systems. Migratory birds, homing pigeons, birds that forage hundreds (even thousands) of miles from their nesting areas. Some whales range the entire globe, yet show up at the mating grounds with (almost) clock regularity.
Others have the ability to recognize their spawning-place, but rely on chance to happen on the right river-mouth (e.g salmon).
Then there are pets. Cats certainly navigate over large areas (three miles as mentioned above will certainly be within the ranging area of a tom-cat. So many traditional stories of cats showing up at their old home after moved with the family could easily be explained by the cat ranging from the new home and coming upon known territory. I'd guess this could happen for ranges up to ten miles or so.
Then. there are other explanations:
- Chance. If you calculate the ratio of cats lost to the number that showed up somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd find that even supposing them wandering off in random directions, a fair number lost (killed, found new homes, etc.), the number hitting close enough to home to find the last few miles by local knowledge, would explain the observations.
- Mistaken identity. Ear tatoos and other ID methods usually get cats returned by finders, so we can assume that the ones claimed to return unaided were mostly not marked. There must have been a number of stray cats arriving at a house, being taken for a lost friend, and not protesting at being fed and treated nicely. After all, how many people can really, rally recognize their cat ofter several months, and allowing for the "returnee " to look quite worn after the assumed trip.
- Fabrication. Parents have cat put down, tell children it has returned to the old home, etc, etc.
Dogs? Dogs are also ranging animals. Those that have any natural instincts left, that is. Especially males.
Hans
El Greco
8th January 2007, 03:14 AM
The cat came back (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094847/)
FarSideOfTheMoon
8th January 2007, 04:48 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057180/
I cried at the end the first time I seen this one. I was only 8 though.
Katana
8th January 2007, 05:04 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057180/
I cried at the end the first time I seen this one. I was only 8 though.
Oh, yeah. Me, too.
Cuddles
8th January 2007, 05:11 AM
I notice the OP mentions stories about pets finding their way to places they have never been to. Are there any links to back this up? As is apparent from the other replies, animals finding their way home is fairly common and can have a number of rational explanations. Hell, pigeons can manage it, and cats are way (well, slightly) more intelligent. On the other hand I have never heard of any pet finding it's way to a new house after being left behind, and I would be quite interested to know more, especially since I can't think of any way this would happen, at least for distances greater than maybe 10 miles.
jmhite
8th January 2007, 10:29 AM
Exactly - the stories of an animal making it to a family that has moved and not the place are the most intriguing. What started me thinking about this was a list in The New Book Of Lists in which several stories involved extraordinary distances to a place the animal had never been.
Animals must be using an amazing sense of smell or of some location to be aware of where they are.
I once took my dog to a state park 30 miles from my home. He enjoyed it a lot. A year later I drove past that park entrance - from a different direction than before - and that dog got as excited as if he knew where he was. He barked and danced pointing at the entrance as I drove past.
He has shown a memory of previous walks. Looking in the direction before I turn. Even when we've only been to that place once before.
ottle
8th January 2007, 02:28 PM
The cat came back (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094847/)
This is the one that was going through my head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeWnA2KQpDE
billydkid
8th January 2007, 02:38 PM
This is not that thrilling, but it seemed amazing at the time. When I was a kid my aunt and uncle owned a little black dashound named Toby. We lived in town and my aunt and uncle lived about 5 miles away out in the country. My aunt and uncle went on vacation and left Toby (with food, water and shelter, of course). A couple of days later Toby was at our doorstep. Now, I'm not sure if he had ever been to our house before. I can't imagine why he would have been. At any rate he was certainly never walked there. I find it impressive that he found his way all by himself.
RichardR
8th January 2007, 05:05 PM
James Randi has an anecdote about how he lost a favourite cat while on vacation as a kid, renting a cabin by a lake 300km from his home. A week later, the cat showed up on their breakfast table at home. ....
:jaw-dropp Seems a bit drastic! Still - that'll teach it to run away.
;)
When I was a kid, our family went away on vacation and left our Siamese cat with my sister - about a mile away. After a few days it escaped - turned up at the next door neighbor's after nearly a week. A mile isn't that far. Still - pretty good.
Dogdoctor
8th January 2007, 05:10 PM
Sometimes they get lucky. Probably most of the time, there is a simpler explanation like it is not their animal but one that resembles it.
bruto
8th January 2007, 09:42 PM
I knew a cat that made a return journey of over 50 miles after being given away. It took him about a month.
chillzero
9th January 2007, 04:42 AM
One of our neighbours sold my siamese cat when I was a kid, when we were all away on holiday.
The neighbour who had volunteered to feed him was distraught thinking he had been killed or something. I don't know how the truth came out, but remembering the neighbour she probably bragged to my mum about it. She had previously told my little sister and I that she would poison him and throw the body in our garden.
He came back home after a bit, thankfully.
Cuddles
9th January 2007, 06:19 AM
Exactly - the stories of an animal making it to a family that has moved and not the place are the most intriguing.
I agree these would be intriguing. Do you have any evidence this has ever happened? Judging from the other responses in this thread I am not the only one that has never heard of this happening.
tsg
9th January 2007, 07:01 AM
I knew a cat that made a return journey of over 50 miles after being given away. It took him about a month.
Or the people you gave it to got tired of it after a month and dropped it off on your doorstep....
bruto
9th January 2007, 01:43 PM
Or the people you gave it to got tired of it after a month and dropped it off on your doorstep....
No. The cat, which had lived semi-feral in the country before, and was adopted by a city person, got loose and ran away the first day. When he reappeared he looked just about how you'd expect a cat to look after a month on the road, sick, scrawny and injured. He was adopted by another family in a more rural setting and did not run away again.
Bell
9th January 2007, 02:35 PM
When I was little, our cat got lost and couldn't find it's way back home from 300 feet away :) Luckely some people who then took care of him, recognized him from an advertisement put in the local paper, and contacted us.
skepticalcriticalguy
9th January 2007, 02:51 PM
I'm skeptical! Ever notice it's always a friend of a friend's cat?! Not your own? Hmmmmmm.....
Modified
9th January 2007, 02:58 PM
When he reappeared he looked just about how you'd expect a cat to look after a month on the road, sick, scrawny and injured.
My parents had a cat that made it home from 90 miles away, but it took 9 months. That's not very good if you ask me. I suspect he wandered many hundreds of miles before he happened on familiar territory. He was fortunate in that when he started he was a moderately fat 20 lbs. He arrived at a sickly 8 lbs (skin and bones, as he was a big cat), with a tail that had clearly been broken and healed crooked. When he left he had the typical aloof cat personality, but after his ordeal he was incredibly friendly. There's no chance he was a different cat though, he had the same scar over one eye.
The funny thing is, he apparently took off because he didn't get along with my brothers dog (my brother was watching him at the time). By the time he found his way home, my parents had taken possession of the same dog. All that for nothing.
Bell
9th January 2007, 03:01 PM
I'm skeptical! Ever notice it's always a friend of a friend's cat?! Not your own? Hmmmmmm.....
Maybe it's a conspiracy?
bruto
9th January 2007, 05:43 PM
I'm skeptical! Ever notice it's always a friend of a friend's cat?! Not your own? Hmmmmmm.....
The cat in my story came to my parents' house and I was involved with its journeys at various points, although I did not live there full time. Anyway, I don't think there's that much doubt that cats can make a 55 mile trip or find their way over that distance. Just how he did it I don't know, but it's far from a record, and in this case the cat's previous ramblings were unknown. He was an adult cat when he first appeared at our house, and may well have been familiar with much of the territory he later traversed on his return.
Dogdoctor
9th January 2007, 05:51 PM
I had someone come to me with an amazing story and photos to show the cat had the same markings and the kids were all convinced but the cat was the wrong sex. There needs to be some kind of positive identification such as a microchip or a tattoo before I am going to be interested.
Byzantine Magpie
9th January 2007, 06:30 PM
My uncle lived on a small farm about 10 kilometres out of Euroa in Victoria, Australia. On one occasion that Dad and I visited, my uncle suggested that at the end of the trip, rather than him driving us both into town, I could ride his horse into town. He said that every so often the horse would look around at the view behind him, and would be able to use that knowledge to wander back to the farm.
I never tried it, so I don't know whether it would have worked, but it shows my uncle didn't see anything paranormal about the horse's skills.
Grimoire
9th January 2007, 08:09 PM
So can we subtract the number of times a pet got lost from the number of times a pet found it's way home? If we do, I suspect we will end up with a very negative number...
four elevener
9th January 2007, 09:47 PM
- Fabrication. Parents have cat put down, tell children it has returned to the old home, etc, etc.
Or cat really does die. Parents then bury said feline in ancient indian earth. Feline returns. Children notice something different about their beloved furry one, particularly the fact that it smells really really bad.
schplurg
10th January 2007, 12:51 AM
My great-grandmother kept cats in the yard. When they became too many, she would take one or two and put them on a cargo train. Then one day she put the smartest old cat on the train. Weeks later, the cat returned. Several days after that she died from exhaustion.
I'm no great lover of cats, but man, that's f'd up! However, I'm still laughing at this just the same! (So sue me). All aboard the Kitty Express!!!
I saw a TV documentary where a trained police dog sniffed out the trail of a dead body that was transported in the trunk of a car. The dog was able to locate the correct exit ramp on the freeway and the bad guy was captured soon after.
hipparchia
10th January 2007, 05:16 AM
Well, cats were not exactly a priority in a mid-20th centyry Bulgarian villages...so getting rid of the extra stock was in the line of things. Also, my great-grandmother did call the practise something in the vein of kitty-express, she said she would be sending the cats away "to get an education".
A side story, I was travelling by train once and an olf lady was transporting her cats with her in two large cardboard boxes. She had about 20 kilos of cats (but I can't say about how many separate cats). I helped her cary one of the boxes, since the lady herself must have weighed about 40 kilos. A large tom was trying to escape from one of the boxes and had to be pushed back in.
Well, BG may be and EU member but we still need working on our animal treatment. Giving toys to pigs and all.
Tirdun
10th January 2007, 06:01 AM
- Chance. If you calculate the ratio of cats lost to the number that showed up somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd find that even supposing them wandering off in random directions, a fair number lost (killed, found new homes, etc.), the number hitting close enough to home to find the last few miles by local knowledge, would explain the observations.
Judging by the number of Lost Pet signs that litter the entrance road to the big housing developments in my area, I'd say this is the most likely explanation for most of the stories.
It tugs the heart strings (awwww, kitty came home) and hints at the supernatural/unknown, so the one in a million that make it get reported.
"Cat failed to learn road crossing skills in time" and "Cat got adopted by family in housing development five miles west" don't make good movies.
bruto
10th January 2007, 07:24 AM
Judging by the number of Lost Pet signs that litter the entrance road to the big housing developments in my area, I'd say this is the most likely explanation for most of the stories.
It tugs the heart strings (awwww, kitty came home) and hints at the supernatural/unknown, so the one in a million that make it get reported.
"Cat failed to learn road crossing skills in time" and "Cat got adopted by family in housing development five miles west" don't make good movies.
I would also guess that the majority of "lost cats" are squashed, and either merged with the roadside or shoveled up before the kiddies can see them. Of course, some just do get lost in some way. In addition to my "cat came back" story above, my mom had a cat that disappeared and turned up weeks later, nearly starved to death, inside a nearby house that had been under construction. He had wandered in just before the builders closed up the house while awaiting materials or something. Cats are very tough and tenacious little beasts.
Cats also vary enormously in their survival skills. I live out in the country, with no cat of my own, but a big pest-filled old barn, which all the neighborhood cats frequent. I can't recall how many squished cat bodies have appeared in front of my place over the last 20 years, but it's pretty clear from that and the changing population that some of them just don't have what it takes. On the other hand, one grizzled old puss came around for years without risk, despite living a quarter mile down the road. Nearly every day we would see him hunting around, often heading home with mouse in mouth, safely crossing the road through the culvert, until he became too old to make the trip, and eventually died of old age.
I have yet another lost cat story, from my ex wife. She grew up in Switzerland, where I guess people think differently about such things. They had a cat, which "disappeared." Some time later, she was rummaging in her parents' closet, as kids often do, and found the cat's pelt, nicely preserved. There does seem to be more than one way to skin a cat.
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