Research Materials - UK Help Needed

[Miss Whiplash]

I'm having problems getting material on Sean Manchester as none of his books were published in the US. To buy one, I'd have to pay $50 to $100 and that's a bit too much. Chatter on the internet says his mighty tome, "The Highgate Vampire" can be found in used bookstores for a few quid. If any of you run across this book, please let me know. I'll pay your for the book and the shipping.

I'm also looking for a book of Ramsey Campbell's articles called "Ramsey Campbell, Probably." This contains Campbell's own analysis of the Right Rv'd called "The Madness of Sean Manchester."

Thanks in advance!

[brodski]

here is a copy in the US for $35 http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/listingResults.asp?z=y&stage=csListingResults&WID=15024873

I can't find a cheaper 2nd hand copy on lien in eth UK from any of the usual suspects. However I have a couple of top notch 2n'd hand bookshops near me, I'll check tehm out this weekend.

[Zygar]

I suggest you try to get someone to bring it across the ocean on their way to TAM. Even if you are not going to TAM, the in country shipping will be a lot cheaper.

Brodski, I could act as a courier if you would like. That is assuming you and I have another chance to meet up between now and Monday morning.

[Miss Whiplash]

Thanks for the link and all the help. I can always depend on people here for help.

You guys rock! :D :D I will certainly be at TAM next year!

[Myth Buster]

I'm having problems getting material on Sean Manchester as none of his books were published in the US. To buy one, I'd have to pay $50 to $100 and that's a bit too much.

Which book are you trying to buy?

If you buy via the United Kingdom it will be a lot less expensive.

[H3LL]

Found these from AbeBooks.co.uk (http://www.abebooks.co.uk/) who I have always found rather good.

You could deliver to a willing pack-animal that is going to TAM :D



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[Miss Whiplash]

Which book are you trying to buy?

If you buy via the United Kingdom it will be a lot less expensive.

The two I mentioned in the first post, the Highgate Vampire and Ramsey Campbell, Probably.


It will still be expensive buying from the UK. The US $ has fallen against the UK £. One UK £ is worth nearly 2 USD - and then I'd have to pay shipping and duty.

H3LL:

Thanks for the lists and pricing. Some of those are still in the 60 to 100 USD range, though. :(

[Myth Buster]

Avoid Amazon.com where ridiculous prices come up for books published in the UK.

Go to Amazon.co.uk where you can obtain new copies of The Highgate Vampire for just £19.

[brodski]

Avoid Amazon.com where ridiculous prices come up for books published in the UK.

Go to Amazon.co.uk where you can obtain new copies of The Highgate Vampire for just £19.

Which with sipping at this exchange rate would still push the book into the $50 range.

Vampire, I looked in my local 2nd hand bookshops, and no joy. I have however asked the owners to keep an eye out for a copy for me (for you).

[Myth Buster]

I'm having problems getting material on Sean Manchester as none of his books were published in the US.

The best source for delivery by air mail to anywhere in the world is Gothic Press, the UK publisher, at:

http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Bookshop.htm (http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Bookshop.htm)

[Miss Whiplash]

Thanks but no. I would not give this company five cents, much less my address.

[Myth Buster]

Thanks but no. I would not give this company five cents, much less my address.

Any particular reason why you would not buy from Gothic Press a book you are trying to find, but will join a message board run by David Farrant which exists for the sole purpose of posting malicious fabrication about the author of the book you want?

[brodski]

Any particular reason why you would not buy from Gothic Press a book you are trying to find, but will join a message board run by David Farrant which exists for the sole purpose of posting malicious fabrication about the author of the book you want?

Because joining a message board is free?

[Myth Buster]

Because joining a message board is free?

That doesn't make sense. "The Vampire" says she wants to buy a copy of the book but when told about the publisher replies: "Thanks but no. I would not give this company five cents, much less my address."

Message board membership might be free, but books are not. Does she want the book to be delivered to her for nothing? What is so wrong with that particular company? If she buys a copy it comes originally from them anyway. So either way they will be paid.

[brodski]

That doesn't make sense. "The Vampire" says she wants to buy a copy of the book but when told about the publisher replies: "Thanks but no. I would not give this company five cents, much less my address."

Message board membership might be free, but books are not. Does she want the book to be delivered to her for nothing? What is so wrong with that particular company? If she buys a copy it comes originally from them anyway. So either way they will be paid.

The Vampire asked me (or anyone here) to try and pick up a copy 2nd hand, which would cost a couple of quid, shipping would have been essentially free as I know people travelling the sates shortly. That is a far cry from spending £20+ as well as shipping.
There is also the fact that gothic press makes its money from promoting the "paranormal" (possibly amongst other things), so there is an ethical consideration for sceptics as to whether we should financially support such an endeavour- buying the book 2nd hand dispenses with that ethical decision, as well as saving money.

[Miss Whiplash]

Any particular reason why you would not buy from Gothic Press a book you are trying to find, but will join a message board run by David Farrant which exists for the sole purpose of posting malicious fabrication about the author of the book you want?

I've said this before in email and my blog, so I'll repeat this slowly once more:

1. Ordering a book from Gothic Press is too expensive.
2. As it appears Manchester makes his money off this wild tale, I have no intention of fatting his wallet anymore.
3. And to put it very plainly - I do not give nutters my contact information. I dislike receiving strange parcels in the mails.

Why are you so obsessed with my having registered at David Farrant's forum? I received an invitation and I was seeking information. I've only posted there once. Why is this your business? Why do you keep following me around on the internet? Had you not stirred things for no reason on my blog, no one's curiosity would have been aroused. Why poke at a skeptic and then offer nothing to back up you claims? Now you're stamping your tiny feet on a forum for the largest and smartest group of skeptics on the internet. That's a bit like swimming with sharks.

That said, you really need to find someone else to pester. Are you ok? You seem tense. I'd suggest getting a girlfriend. I don't find your attention flattering and you are far too old for me.

[sat556]

The hunter's guide is on Amazon uk for £5.50. That's not including postage.

Also, my sister works for a shop that often gets second hand books. I'l ask her to keep an eye out.

[Myth Buster]

I've said this before in email and my blog, so I'll repeat this slowly once more:

1. Ordering a book from Gothic Press is too expensive.
2. As it appears Manchester makes his money off this wild tale, I have no intention of fatting his wallet anymore.
3. And to put it very plainly - I do not give nutters my contact information. I dislike receiving strange parcels in the mails.

Why are you so obsessed with my having registered at David Farrant's forum? I received an invitation and I was seeking information. I've only posted there once. Why is this your business? Why do you keep following me around on the internet? Had you not stirred things for no reason on my blog, no one's curiosity would have been aroused. Why poke at a skeptic and then offer nothing to back up you claims? Now you're stamping your tiny feet on a forum for the largest and smartest group of skeptics on the internet. That's a bit like swimming with sharks.

That said, you really need to find someone else to pester. Are you ok? You seem tense. I'd suggest getting a girlfriend. I don't find your attention flattering and you are far too old for me.

There is no need to be patronising. Incidentally, I have not been following you around. You are discovered wherever antipathy toward Sean Manchester is evident.

I am not obsessed with you joining a forum run by someone who has claimed to hunt and raise (by occult means) vampires, but it does concern me that you might place reliance in such a person for the purpose of disseminating his malice elsewhere. For example, this is what you posted on David Farrant's message board:

"Thank you for the warm welcome! The holidays are officially over and I'll be around more. Mr. Farrant, I will most certainly PM you soon. I'm sure I'll have a few questions as the week progresses! Happy New Year to you and The Guv'ner and thank you for the invitation to join you here!" Posted by vampire406: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:12 am

Post subject: Thank you!

Posted at: http://davidfarrant.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=89 (http://davidfarrant.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=89)

You certainly appear more receptive to this convicted felon who has threatened people down the years with black magic (resulting in a two years' prison sentence for attempting to pervert the course of justice) than you perhaps ought to be. I might be wrong and you possibly wished Sean Manchester a Happy New Year as well.

But, somehow, I doubt it.

[brodski]

I am not obsessed with you joining a forum run by someone who has claimed to hunt and raise (by occult means) vampires

You seem to belive that the fact that Farrant has claimed to hunt vampires is, in your mind, enough evidence to doubt his honesty, or grasp of reality, in relation to other matters (a position in which I am in agreemnt with you), but the fact that Manchester also claims to have hunted vampires does not similarly discredit his version of events?
Why is that?

[Miss Whiplash]

There is no need to be patronising. Incidentally, I have not been following you around. You are discovered wherever antipathy toward Sean Manchester is evident.

I am not obsessed with you joining a forum run by someone who has claimed to hunt and raise (by occult means) vampires, but it does concern me that you might place reliance in such a person for the purpose of disseminating his malice elsewhere. For example, this is what you posted on David Farrant's message board:

"Thank you for the warm welcome! The holidays are officially over and I'll be around more. Mr. Farrant, I will most certainly PM you soon. I'm sure I'll have a few questions as the week progresses! Happy New Year to you and The Guv'ner and thank you for the invitation to join you here!" Posted by vampire406: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:12 am

Post subject: Thank you!

Posted at: http://davidfarrant.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=89 (http://davidfarrant.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=89)

You certainly appear more receptive to this convicted felon who has threatened people down the years with black magic (resulting in a two years' prison sentence for attempting to pervert the course of justice) than you perhaps ought to be. I might be wrong and you possibly wished Sean Manchester a Happy New Year as well.

But, somehow, I doubt it.

Perhaps I was more receptive because Farrant and his board members were friendly in answering my inquiries. Manchester and is mob did nothing but cause trouble and communicate empty threats for no reason at all.

As for wishing Seannie a Happy New Year, why should I? He or one of his multiple personalities was too busy making a jackass of themselves on my blog on Xmas Eve. Was he wishing me a Merry Xmas?

BTW-Don't play coy chambermaid. You are far too old and it annoys me to no end. Take responsibility for your mistakes and move on. If anything, the Sean Manchester story this is a testament to why people should remain firmly planted in reality, instead of wallowing in paranormal fantasies.

[Myth Buster]

You seem to belive that the fact that Farrant has claimed to hunt vampires is, in your mind, enough evidence to doubt his honesty, or grasp of reality, in relation to other matters (a position in which I am in agreemnt with you), but the fact that Manchester also claims to have hunted vampires does not similarly discredit his version of events?
Why is that?

No, you have misunderstood the point I was trying to reach. Everyone is entitled to believe what they like and should be tolerated provided they do not harm other people in pursuit of their beliefs, do not harm animals in pursuit of their beliefs, and stay within the law whilst doing so.

The issue for me is one of consistency. I have no way of knowing whether Manchester and Farrant have done or experienced what they say they have done and experienced, but what I do know is that what Manchester claimed he did back in the late Sixties and early Seventies he still claims he did. Whereas what Farrant told everyone he did, was filmed doing on television, and stated under oath in court, he now completely denies. Perhaps he finds it all very embarrassing?

Yet the public record shows that there is no consistency in what Farrant is saying today and what he claimed in 1970.

[Myth Buster]

He or one of his multiple personalities was too busy making a jackass of themselves

You are using the very same language, even the same phrases, as those on the board you recently joined where posting abuse about Sean Manchester dominates.

Why not stick to the topic instead of always becoming personally abusive toward one of the parties but not the other?

[brodski]

No, you have misunderstood the point I was trying to reach. Everyone is entitled to believe what they like and should be tolerated provided they do not harm other people in pursuit of their beliefs, do not harm animals in pursuit of their beliefs, and stay within the law whilst doing so.

Manchester is peddling his delusions as fact, and that IMHO is harmful.
Whist he is still promoting himself in public as an "expert" on vampires, then he is deserving of public criticism.
every sale of his book is a moral (bout not a legal) fraud.


The issue for me is one of consistency. I have no way of knowing whether Manchester and Farrant have done or experienced what they say they have done and experienced, but what I do know is that what Manchester claimed he did back in the late Sixties and early Seventies he still claims he did. Whereas what Farrant told everyone he did, was filmed doing on television, and stated under oath in court, he now completely denies. Perhaps he finds it all very embarrassing?

Yet the public record shows that there is no consistency in what Farrant is saying today and what he claimed in 1970.

So (you claim) that Manchester has been consistent in his delusions, whilst Ferrant seems to have a shorter attention span but a better imagination?
they are both deluded nuts, the fact that Manchester can't think up a better story after 30 years does nothing to improve his creditability in my eyes. Why?
BECAUSE HE BELIEVES IN VAMPIRES (As does his rival deluded fool). And if farrent finds his past activities embarrassing, I don't blame him. I'd be embarrassed too, but Manchester continues to make money from (and seek publicity for) his wild and wacky fantasies about the undead.
If Manchester (or Farrent) are to be excused the label of liars, it is only because before attempting to delude others, they took great pains to delude themselves.

[Miss Whiplash]

You are using the very same language, even the same phrases, as those on the board you recently joined where posting abuse about Sean Manchester dominates.

Why not stick to the topic instead of always becoming personally abusive toward one of the parties but not the other?

Really? What board did I recently join?

The the most recent board I joined was The L Word forum. Are you an L Word (http://www.thelwordonline.com/main.html)fan?

How am I becoming abusive?

[brodski]

Really? What board did I recently join?

The the most recent board I joined was The L Word forum. Are you an L Word (http://www.thelwordonline.com/main.html)fan?

How am I becoming abusive?

Given the Fearless Vampire hunter's inability to separate fact from fiction, maybe he does see a connection (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066380/)? :D

[Miss Whiplash]

No, you have misunderstood the point I was trying to reach. Everyone is entitled to believe what they like and should be tolerated provided they do not harm other people in pursuit of their beliefs, do not harm animals in pursuit of their beliefs, and stay within the law whilst doing so.

The issue for me is one of consistency. I have no way of knowing whether Manchester and Farrant have done or experienced what they say they have done and experienced, but what I do know is that what Manchester claimed he did back in the late Sixties and early Seventies he still claims he did. Whereas what Farrant told everyone he did, was filmed doing on television, and stated under oath in court, he now completely denies. Perhaps he finds it all very embarrassing?

Yet the public record shows that there is no consistency in what Farrant is saying today and what he claimed in 1970.

Manchester presenting himself as some legitimate clergyman is the most dangerous part of this delusion in my opinion. You know how people are - any passing kook can slap religion on any woo and people's gullibility goes into overdrive. They see him on National Geographic playing priest and fall for his dog and pony show. Few people stop and research his order and see how transparent it all is. Cults are not harmless.

[Miss Whiplash]

Given the Fearless Vampire hunter's inability to separate fact from fiction, maybe he does see a connection (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066380/)? :D


:D :D

I guess he'll move on to greener pastures now. :wackylaugh:

[Myth Buster]

Manchester presenting himself as some legitimate clergyman is the most dangerous part of this delusion in my opinion. You know how people are - any passing kook can slap religion on any woo and people's gullibility goes into overdrive. They see him on National Geographic playing priest and fall for his dog and pony show. Few people stop and research his order and see how transparent it all is. Cults are not harmless.

You are straying into the area of defamation as Sean Manchester has tested his validity when he made an official complaint against a small radio station who went down that route because they thought that if he was not Roman Catholic he cannot therefore be Catholic. The hearing was chaired by Richard Holloway, a senior bishop in the Church of England. Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The producer of the radio station pleaded ignorance and stated that it was never the station's intention to cast any doubt on Sean Manchester's validity as a bishop. They also apologised.

[jmontecillo01]

Hi The Vampire,

I thought you might be interested in 1 of Manchester's book called "The Vampires Hunter's Handbook" It had a glowing review.

The review said:

The back cover photograph,showing Manchester fending off an attack from several of the largest bats on the planet,is almost worth the cover price on its own.

[Miss Whiplash]

You are straying into the area of defamation as Sean Manchester has tested his validity when he made an official complaint against a small radio station who went down that route because they thought that if he was not Roman Catholic he cannot therefore be Catholic. The hearing was chaired by Richard Holloway, a senior bishop in the Church of England. Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The producer of the radio station pleaded ignorance and stated that it was never the station's intention to cast any doubt on Sean Manchester's validity as a bishop. They also apologised.

And I'm not apologizing. I dislike cults. People how run small, obscure churches, run around in costumes, exorcise people and stake vampires are cults from where I'm standing. Until the bishop can prove some credentials other than his own website, his claim is hearsay.

As a lapsed Catholic convert myself, I find pretend churches offensive. Unless Mr. Manchester can show some independent proof he is a bishop, he's as much a bishop as Jerry Falwell.

[Miss Whiplash]

Hi The Vampire,

I thought you might be interested in 1 of Manchester's book called "The Vampires Hunter's Handbook" It had a glowing review.

The review said:

The back cover photograph,showing Manchester fending off an attack from several of the largest bats on the planet,is almost worth the cover price on its own.

Thanks for that review! :D

[brodski]

You are straying into the area of defamation as Sean Manchester has tested his validity when he made an official complaint against a small radio station who went down that route because they thought that if he was not Roman Catholic he cannot therefore be Catholic. The hearing was chaired by Richard Holloway, a senior bishop in the Church of England. Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The producer of the radio station pleaded ignorance and stated that it was never the station's intention to cast any doubt on Sean Manchester's validity as a bishop. They also apologised.

Details of that hearing would be interesting to see, by the sounds of it, it was held in an ecclesiastical court rather than a secular court.
Oh and please stop accusing people on these boards of defamation, libel or slander of Mr Manchester, this board is hosted in the US, posts here are protected by the 1st amendment to the US constitution You seem to have at least some legal knowledge- you should be able to grasp this point.
And as we're talking about legal knowledge I am still interested in hearing your interpretation of the Incitement to Religious Hatred legislation in the UK.

Again for your convenience I will provide you with a link to start from www.opsi.gov.uk
Can I expect clarification on your views on this point of law?
If not, will you apologise to those you accused of committing hate crimes?

[Myth Buster]

As a lapsed Catholic convert myself, I find pretend churches offensive. Unless Mr. Manchester can show some independent proof he is a bishop, he's as much a bishop as Jerry Falwell.

If he were to bother to do that for every sceptic and non-believer who demanded it, his credentials would indeed be questionable. He doesn't need to prove himself to you or anyone else for that matter. Just as you have no need to prove whatever you might be to him. However, as already stated, Sean Manchester has tested his validity when he made an official complaint against a small radio station who went down that route because they thought that if he was not Roman Catholic he cannot therefore be Catholic. The hearing was chaired by Richard Holloway, a senior bishop in the Church of England. Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The producer of the radio station pleaded ignorance and stated that it was never the station's intention to cast any doubt on Sean Manchester's validity as a bishop. They also apologised.

[Myth Buster]

And as we're talking about legal knowledge I am still interested in hearing your interpretation of the Incitement to Religious Hatred legislation in the UK.
Again for your convenience I will provide you with a link to start from www.opsi.gov.uk Can (http://www.opsi.gov.uk Can) I expect clarification on your views on this point of law? If not, will you apologise to those you accused of committing hate crimes?

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=%22Sean+Manchester%22&btnG=Search&lmode=online&cat0=193&cat=196&lnk=catsugg You can add a local search to that to try to find a copy in an B&M

[brodski]

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.

It was your accusation, not Sean's, he has not participated on these boards.
back up your vicious allegation or withdraw it.

Firstly the incitement to religious hatred ACT DOES NOT COVER SPEECH OUTSIDE OF THE UK. and secondly in order to breach the act people would have to use threatening language. If you can find threatening language on this forum, and report it, it will be removed as it is in breach of the membership agreement.

Sean Manchester can consider trying to apply a law he doesn't understand to a jurisdiction in which it is not in force all eh likes, it is YOU who has made direct accusations here.

You are showing yourself to be nothing but a bully and a fool, who wishes to close down criticisms of your pet topics with spurious legal threats, much in the same way as Manchester has often been accused of.
You're not frightening anyone. In fact it's would be all rather cute if your baseless allegations where not so vile.

[Ducky]

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.

I thought you said you have no professional contact aside from some research about Manchester?

And I would love to see Manchester try to have a criminal charge brought against a US citizen for a UK law. It it were not such a nasty accusation to be made, the "Religious Hate Speech" tactic would be laughable.

[Timble]

Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church.

Hardly an authoratitive statement from the Archbishop of Canterbury is it?

What evidence have you that the Bishop actually had any knowledge of Manchester beyond his own claims? Perhaps the Bishop was rather too trusting...

Waiting to see those kittens in lawyer's wigs and gowns...

[Ducky]

Myth Buster, could you perhaps shed some light on the seemingly incongruous statements of yours quoted below?

I hold no particular brief for any of the active parties.

I am no more connected to Sean Manchester than "The Vampire" is connected to David Farrant.

I was investigating the situation long before the thread on this forum and have had email and snail mail communication with various people from both sides, but not the main protagonists.

If you knew where my field of expertise lay you would better understand why my apparent grasp of the detail seems incredible. But that is privileged information.

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.

[Mojo]

You are straying into the area of defamation as Sean Manchester has tested his validity when he made an official complaint against a small radio station who went down that route because they thought that if he was not Roman Catholic he cannot therefore be Catholic. The hearing was chaired by Richard Holloway, a senior bishop in the Church of England. Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The producer of the radio station pleaded ignorance and stated that it was never the station's intention to cast any doubt on Sean Manchester's validity as a bishop. They also apologised.

Details of that hearing would be interesting to see, by the sounds of it, it was held in an ecclesiastical court rather than a secular court.I was a bit perplexed about this. Why would a hearing presided over by a Church of England bishop have jurisdiction over disputes involving Catholic churches, "old" or otherwise?

It turns out that Richard Holloway (Bishop of Edinburgh 1996-2000, and therefore a bishop of the Scottish Episcopal Church rather than the C of E) was a member of the Broadcasting Standards Commission (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/bsc/plain/members.htm) (now Ofcom (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/)). The fact that he was also a bishop is not relevant to his function in the case. This seems to be a reference to one of two complaints he made to Ofcom in 2002. Each of these complaints was partially upheld. In this one, the commission found: The Commission notes that Bishop Manchester had understood that the programme was about satanic groups and cults, that his second pre-recorded interview was in addition to this, and that he would not have contributed to a programme exclusively about vampires. The Commission also notes that, as far as 101.4 Angel FM were concerned, the use of Bishop Manchester’s material was in accordance with normal editorial practice – although his initial pre-recorded interview had informed the whole programme, his second one was more than other contributors had offered on the subject of vampires. In the absence of any suggestion of concealment or failure to honour any guarantees regarding the ultimate nature of the programme, the Commission is not satisfied that Bishop Manchester was treated unfairly. It therefore finds no unfairness on this part of the complaint.

As to the back announcement to the piece, the Commission notes that the intention of 101.4 Angel FM had been to clarify Bishop Manchester’s position and that they had not intended to suggest that he was not a real bishop. The Commission further notes that the announcement was prepared only during the live transmission and the broadcaster’s admission that “confusion” as to his status could have been avoided had wider research been conducted. In the Commission’s view, the back announcement was unfair in that it did not reflect Bishop Manchester’s status as a properly consecrated bishop of the Old Catholic Church, unjustifiably raising doubts in listeners’ minds as to his standing. In this, the Commission finds unfairness to Bishop Manchester. The other complaint in 2002 relates to an interview conducted by telephone by James Whale, and which found that it had been unfair to address him as "Sean" rather than "Bishop Manchester" because he had been assured before the programme that he would be addressed as "bishop". The Commission also found that as Manchester's contribution to the programme had been by telephone a threat to slap him could not be intended to be taken seriously, and declined to uphold the part of the complaint about Whale's "discourteous and rude comments", because, "in the context of this presenter’s well-known approach and style, [there was] no particular unfairness to Bishop Manchester."

He didn't fare so well in a complaint about a 2004 Channel 4 programme, in which, among other findings: Ofcom found no unfairness in the programme's implication that Bishop Manchester was one of a number of "1970's wierdos" given the light-hearted nature of the programme and taking into account that the majority of people would not consider vampire hunting to be a normal activity.The adjudication can be found on page 44 of this pdf document (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/obb/prog_cb/pcb37/issue58.pdf).

[Darat]

Gosh he really likes that title doesn't he!

[brodski]

Gosh he really likes that title doesn't he!

Which one the title of "Bishop" or the title of "Weirdo" :D

[Miss Whiplash]

After all this drama, I'd like a title. Something that doesn't end with "and the horse you rode in on too!" :h2:

[Mojo]

After all this drama, I'd like a title. How about "The"?

[Cuddles]

After all this drama, I'd like a title. Something that doesn't end with "and the horse you rode in on too!" :h2:

I have to say, I would love to have a title that ended with that.:D

[Miss Whiplash]

Not to keep beating this dead horse called Sean Manchester, but I wanted to thank the members who provided links. Because of the people here, I've found the books I needed. You all rock!

I'm busy reading the infamous "Highgate Vampire." It's given me the best laugh I've had in a long time. Ramsey Campbell's essay on the subject is wonderful. Soon, I'll get my notes in order and start writing.

Thanks again!

[Mojo]

Manchester presenting himself as some legitimate clergyman is the most dangerous part of this delusion in my opinion. You know how people are - any passing kook can slap religion on any woo and people's gullibility goes into overdrive. They see him on National Geographic playing priest and fall for his dog and pony show. Few people stop and research his order and see how transparent it all is. Cults are not harmless.
You are straying into the area of defamation as Sean Manchester has tested his validity when he made an official complaint against a small radio station who went down that route because they thought that if he was not Roman Catholic he cannot therefore be Catholic. The hearing was chaired by Richard Holloway, a senior bishop in the Church of England. Bishop Holloway upheld Sean Manchester's complaint and declared him to be legally and canonically a genuine Old Catholic Bishop. It was explained that there are Eastern Catholic Churches and Old Catholic Churches as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The producer of the radio station pleaded ignorance and stated that it was never the station's intention to cast any doubt on Sean Manchester's validity as a bishop. They also apologised.As far as the implied threat of an action for defamation is concerned, I don’t think Manchester would get far with it, at least in the UK. It seems that the courts don’t like to get involved in questions of religious doctrine. I’ve found this case: Blake v Associated Newspapers Limited (http://www.ecclawsoc.org.uk/cases/case04.shtml).

Blake had been a C of E priest, but had resigned his orders. Since that time he has continued to style himself “The Reverend”, to wear distinctive clerical dress and to undertake ministry independent of any denomination. In 2000 he founded ‘The Society of Independent Christian Ministry’ and ‘The Province for Open Episcopal Ministry and Jurisdiction’ with a former bishop of the Liberal Catholic Church who in turn ordained the claimant first as a priest and then as a bishop.He sued the Daily Mail after they described him as ‘a self-styled bishop in costume mitre and cloak’ and ‘an imitation bishop who was a once-divorced former clergyman’. The claimant claimed these statements were defamatory, that he was a validly ordained bishop and that he had been ordained such by a bishop within the apostolic succession who retained the power to confer episcopal orders.Is any of this sounding familiar?

The court held that question of whether he was a validly ordained bishop was a matter of religious doctrine and therefore "non-justiciable", and stopped the case.

ETA: I am not a lawyer.

[Miss Whiplash]

"Defamation" to Manchester means anything less than blind, worshipful praise or questioning his claims. He certainly doesn't practice what he preaches though. About an author who cut him some slack and wrote a more positive chapter about him:

Despite some major errors, her book is nevertheless not malicious ~ just the result of sloppy journalism. Or is it? In The Vampire Hunter's Handbook, Seán Manchester reveals that Guiley might be a government intelligence operative working to undermine belief in the supernatural. (my emphasis) Sean's BOS Group (http://groups.msn.com/BritishOccultSociety/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22)

I wonder if any judge has ever ordered a psychiatric examination for Mr. Manchester?

[Mojo]

Perhaps Sean is secretly working to undermine belief in the supernatural.