MILLIONS MISSING cuz of RAPTURE by Oliver B. Greene

[billiefan2000]

http://www.acm.ndsu.nodak.edu/NDSU_Christian/tracts/other/millions.htm

[zakur]

What Roadtoad said... (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21676)

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
http://www.acm.ndsu.nodak.edu/NDSU_Christian/tracts/other/millions.htm
Wow. That has to be the most obnoxious, poorly put together page I've ever seen. I can't even bring to myself to read it. :eek:

[billiefan2000]

I bet you like most ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS dont have any spine or courage to read what is says,that is why you and others like you wouldnt read it.

[Nyarlathotep]

The point of this nonsensical rant would be........?

The Time Cube guy almost makes more sense than the twit that wrote this.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I bet you like most ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS dont have any spine or courage to read what is says,that is why you and others like you wouldnt read it. :roll: Classic pot calling the kettle black.

Okay, billie, how about being inaccurate from the get go? As you know from your Bible, it won't be millions that will disappear in the Rapture, but 144,000. How good could the author be when he missed this basic and plainly stated aspect of the Rapture?

edited to add:
Oh, wait. Found another error and I'm not even to the body of the text yet. WIVES
HUSBANDS B
CHILDREN A
FATHERS B
MOTHERS I
YOUNG MEN E
YOUNG LADIES S
SWEETHEARTS
GRANDFATHERS
GRANDMOTHERS
only three of the above groups are applicable for being Raptured: the male children, the young men, and the male babies (as long as they have not been defiled by women). Two major errors right there.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I bet you like most ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS dont have any spine or courage to read what is says,that is why you and others like you wouldnt read it.

I gather from his comments that he DID read it. I am an atheist and I read it.

It's the same nonsense that your ilk have been spouting for ages. All these things that have been going on since man existed (i.e. wars, natural disaters, etc.) presented as signs that 'the end is near'.

I for one am not going to hold my breath waiting

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
http://www.acm.ndsu.nodak.edu/NDSU_Christian/tracts/other/millions.htm

Hmm, colourful!

Hey there are new smilies, I didn't see them before

:roll: :rub: :con2: :wink8:

[Upchurch]

Wow. this is too easy, Billie. This guy is doing everything he can to take the bible out of context.
ONE DAY - "...that day and hour knoweth no man..." (Matthew 24:36)- MILLIONS of people, of all ages, will leave this earth in a SECOND - "in the twinkling of an eye" (I Corinthians 15:52).
Actually I Corinthians 15:52 says "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." This has nothing to do with the Rapture and is taken completely out of context.

Really, Billie, this is just a really poor example of appoligetics.

edited to add: Holy cow. The smilies are adding as I watch!
:jaw: :clap:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
http://www.acm.ndsu.nodak.edu/NDSU_Christian/tracts/other/millions.htm

What a mess!!:bricks:

[Upchurch]

Aaaaand, billiefan runs away with out responding to the actual subject. What a shocker. :hit:



:jedi:
(doesn't mean anything, I'm just reveling in the new smilies.)

I bet you like most ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS dont have any spine or courage to read what is says,that is why you and others like you wouldnt read itOut of curiosity, Billie, did you read what it says? And do you agree with it even though it says things that are not in agreement with the Bible?

[scribble]

Originally posted by Upchurch
:roll: Classic pot calling the kettle black.

only three of the above groups are applicable for being Raptured: the male children, the young men, and the male babies (as long as they have not been defiled by women). Two major errors right there.

Only virginal males are eligible for rapture? I don't recall that, can you quote a verse for me?

-Chris

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by scribble


Only virginal males are eligible for rapture? I don't recall that, can you quote a verse for me?
Sure thing

:book:From the book of Revelation
14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Further, only 144,00 of them will be Raptured:
From the book of Revelation
14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Upchurch

Sure thing

:book:
Further, only 144,00 of them will be Raptured:


I know about the 144,000 bit. I missed the virginity bit. Now I'm screwed.... literally.

-Chris

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by scribble


I know about the 144,000 bit. I missed the virginity bit. Now I'm screwed.... literally. Indeed. You see how it excludes the possibility that husbands, fathers, and grandfathers have any chance of getting in.

[Lord Emsworth]

What I really wonder is:

Do the believers in the rapture really want the rapture to happen? Would they be happy if it happened?

[billiefan2000]

The 144,000 arent the ones who are raptured.

if you read:

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pre-trib-rapture.html

and:

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html


you would have a better understanding.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
What I really wonder is:

Do the believers in the rapture really want the rapture to happen? Would they be happy if it happened?

Yes, because most of them live such miserable lives!:cry:

They have it drummed into them that the world sucks and life is only to be lived in a state of waiting for the Rapture.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
The 144,000 arent the ones who are raptured.

if you read:

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pre-trib-rapture.html

and:

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html


you would have a better understanding.

Those sites state things that are just someone's interpretation. And interpretation is open to question. There's so many ways to interpret prophecy.....especially in the book of Revelation. Why isn't it made clear...if it was, most Christians would agree on it. :rolleyes:

[Skeptical Greg]

I hope Shanek won't mind be borrowing this quote from his sig line, but here goes....

"The main problem I have with heaven, is the thought of spending eternity with some of the people who claim to be going there."

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Ruby


Yes, because most of them live such miserable lives!:cry:

They have it drummed into them that the world sucks and life is only to be lived in a state of waiting for the Rapture.

BINGO! I think you hit it exactly.

I also think that these people who are so certain that they will be among those raptured (is that a word?), i.e. my neighbor who has a bumper sticker reading "In Case of Rapture this Vehicle will be Unmanned", this blief allows them to feel a certain degree of moral superiority. The feeling that they are getting rewarded while everyone else is to be punished.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Ruby


Yes, because most of them live such miserable lives!:cry:

They have it drummed into them that the world sucks and life is only to be lived in a state of waiting for the Rapture.

Yeah, it must be a terribly miserable life to wait for the rapture, and only for the rapture, to happen.

Isn't the rapture basically the same thing as a lot of terrible things becoming true, involving wars,famines, antichrists and suchlike.

Yes, it must be really terrible to wait and hope for such things. How can they possibly get one minute of sleep at night?

[triadboy]

Originally posted by scribble


Only virginal males are eligible for rapture? I don't recall that, can you quote a verse for me?

-Chris

Sound a little nervous, Chris.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
http://www.acm.ndsu.nodak.edu/NDSU_Christian/tracts/other/millions.htm

I notice this came from North Dakota State University. I used to live in Minot ND. They have this thing called 'cabin fever' up there. You go stir crazy. There's so much snow, you can't go anywhere. But if you do try, it's 60 below zero outside. It's 'shrinkage' cold. So you drink. I think this was written by a NoDak on a drunken binge.

[Ossai]

billiefan2000
What’s it matter, you’re already predestined for hell or heaven and nothing you can do will change it.

Ossai

[Yahzi]

Babies? God is going to Rapture babies?

All of them, or just some of them? If He only takes some of them... what the heck does that mean? And if he takes them all, then why didn't he just Rapture me before I screwed up?

I'd actually like to hear Billiefan's answer to this. Does God rapture all the babies?

Edit: reading further down on the page, it appears that God does indeed rapture all the babies. But - he doesn't quote any Bible versus for it. Gosh, I wonder why. But just the babies are safe -
Unsaved young people will search for THAT GODLY MOTHER who pled with them to be saved, but they laughed and went on their sinful way
I don't know what a "young people" is to him, but it sure sounds like 10 year olds will be left for the devil to feed on. Secular law might not view juveniles as capable of making binding contracts, but apparently God has a different standard.

What a sicko.

[evildave]

It doesn't matter how much of this garbage I read.

I go, I read, and every nasty preconception about certain believers being halfwit losers is supported.

Of course, it's all rather pointless to discussing the whole 'rupture' thing with retarded believers.

A bit like asking an autistic five year old what would happen if Lex Luthor got a big pile of kryptonite and started selling bullets tipped with it.

Nothing at all. It's fiction.

[Max560]

Still waiting for evidence......

Keep trying Sparky:dl:

[scribble]

Originally posted by triadboy


Sound a little nervous, Chris.

I was nervous, but now that I've thought about it...

hey, I've HAD rapture, baby.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
The 144,000 arent the ones who are raptured.

if you read:

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pre-trib-rapture.html

and:

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html


you would have a better understanding.
if you read this link (http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp)) you would have a better understanding that the pre-trib rapture model is a weak interpretation and "contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24–27; Matt. 24:26–31; 2 Thess. 2:1–12)." (thanks to ceo_esq for the link)

Further, neither of your links explain that the 144,000 aren't the only ones that will be raptured, that I could see. Further, they used the word "sealed" rather then the word "redeemed" which has a very different slant. It seems that the Bible interpretations are ambiguous in very important ways.

I noticed that neither of your links refuted or even mentioned needing to be virgin men. Seems like another important detail.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


BINGO! I think you hit it exactly.

I also think that these people who are so certain that they will be among those raptured (is that a word?), i.e. my neighbor who has a bumper sticker reading "In Case of Rapture this Vehicle will be Unmanned", this blief allows them to feel a certain degree of moral superiority. The feeling that they are getting rewarded while everyone else is to be punished.

Yes, exactly!! Many have the mentality of not being able to wait for *heathens* to be "left behind" to suffer the consequences.:j2:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth


Yeah, it must be a terribly miserable life to wait for the rapture, and only for the rapture, to happen.

Isn't the rapture basically the same thing as a lot of terrible things becoming true, involving wars,famines, antichrists and suchlike.

Yes, it must be really terrible to wait and hope for such things. How can they possibly get one minute of sleep at night?

The *Rapture* is supposed to take the true Christians from the Earth. After that, the *Tribulation* happens......where as you described, all hell breaks loose!! Of course, not all Christians are Pre-Trib....meaning that they will be raptured before the Tribulation. Some think they will have to go through part or all of the Tribulation first! That is sort of masochistic!! :bricks:

[triadboy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by scribble

I was nervous, but now that I've thought about it...

hey, I've HAD rapture, baby.

I assume you called out to 'God'?

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Yahzi
Babies? God is going to Rapture babies?

All of them, or just some of them? If He only takes some of them... what the heck does that mean? And if he takes them all, then why didn't he just Rapture me before I screwed up?

I'd actually like to hear Billiefan's answer to this. Does God rapture all the babies?

Edit: reading further down on the page, it appears that God does indeed rapture all the babies. But - he doesn't quote any Bible versus for it. Gosh, I wonder why. But just the babies are safe -

I don't know what a "young people" is to him, but it sure sounds like 10 year olds will be left for the devil to feed on. Secular law might not view juveniles as capable of making binding contracts, but apparently God has a different standard.

What a sicko.



Well hardliners would say that babies will not be raptured due to them also inheriting origional sin. Babies have not accepted Jesus yet.

If babies are raptured, would feti also be raptured from every mother's womb? At what age does a child become able to accept Jesus and is no longer saved by a baby clause? When is innocence over?

The answers we will never know, I suspect, as Biliefan is not interested in debate. The Bible certainly gives no black and white answers,

[Dancing David]

Once again,

The Rapture already occured, Christ appeared at the Pentecost and the virtous went to the lord,
The xians can't believe it, but the rapture is past.

The body of christ is established.

Billiefan:

Try to live your life as Jesus lived his, are you living the life that he led.

JESUS DID NOT EVER PREACH THE RAPTURE OR THE SECOND COMING

Are you afraid to live like Jesus, he loved us sinners and tried to help us, not condemn us.
The Church is false BilleFan is is destroying you by teaching you all that is not Jesus. Peter was not Jesus, Paul was not Jesus.

[scribble]

Originally posted by triadboy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by scribble

I was nervous, but now that I've thought about it...

hey, I've HAD rapture, baby.

I assume you called out to 'God'?


See, that would have been funny. But in fact when I am... er... just about to experience rapture, I usually warn my rapture partner of the imminent event by shouting something along the lines of...

"By the power of Greyskull -- I -- AM -- HE-MAN!!!!!"

-Chris

[MartinGibbs]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrld.htm

Lists some failed prophecies. The rapture (or whatever it's called) has been prophesized to happen countless times in our past.

Meanwhile, I'll be out:golf:

[triadboy]

Originally posted by scribble



See, that would have been funny. But in fact when I am... er... just about to experience rapture, I usually warn my rapture partner of the imminent event by shouting something along the lines of...

"By the power of Greyskull -- I -- AM -- HE-MAN!!!!!"

-Chris

You're a riot! :roll:

[c4ts]

Dangit, where's that smiley holding up the sign that says "woo woo" when I need it?

[triadboy]

When I wake up at 5:30 in the morning, I turn on this goober from Arkansas named Arnold Murray. This guy definitely does not believe in the Rapture. He says anyone who believes the Rapture will happen is following a false church.

Billiefan: I think this preacher thinks you're going to hell in a handbasket.

[Roadtoad]

So what makes you think God is going to rapture you, Billiefan? Why would He? Seriously, you're one of the most hateful, self indulgent, self righteous, smug, morally corrupt individuals I've encountered on this board yet. I would hazard a guess that God would rather spend eternity with someone like Upchurch, who, though he doesn't even believe in God, has a greater sense of compassion than someone like you.

Grow up, kid. Maybe then, you might have something worth reading. Otherwise, SHUT THE F*** UP!