IMO : The James Randi Affair

[incredulo]

I'd been a lurker of this board for a long time.One of the topics I followed was "The Carlos Swett affair" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=425750#post425750) I never understood why the thread was locked since it was still on debate.
In Mexico I had the opportunity to view the video tape One of my friends works on one of the biggest networks of this country and of the world.
When I saw the tape I finally understood why the James Randi Educational Foundation has the fear to comment about this topic :they failed under their own skeptical rules.

I am really dissapointed , since I am a skeptical beleiver , of how the researchers and the followers based their investigations in just some links of the web.
It is another story if you look the images at a proffesional tape IMO.


Incredulo

[UnrepentantSinner]

Sniff... sniff..

Something stinks, and it's not the litter box...

[LeFevre]

Yep USA, it's sad. Carlos' claim fails on so many levels, I think it is more likely that this new poster is Carlos or (if latin really is another person) latin.

Unless there is something about Spanish speaking people from the Americas being drawn to this fecked up claim that Carlos thinks is paranormal.

It is really funny to me in a sick kinda way.

[UnrepentantSinner]

More Evidence? (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20192) I'm not quite ready to start naming names... yet...

[LeFevre]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
More Evidence? (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20192) I'm not quite ready to start naming names... yet...

Well I don't think there are too many names to choose from.

[KelvinG]

Did this so-called "Incredulo" really think he was going to fool anyone with this transparent post.
Heh Heh.

[Lord Kenneth]

10 bucks says it's another one of Carlos' beer buddies.

[rwald]

Is Blue Monk's page still on the Web?

[aggle_rithm]

Originally posted by incredulo
I'd been a lurker of this board for a long time.One of the topics I followed was "The Carlos Swett affair" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=425750#post425750) I never understood why the thread was locked since it was still on debate.


Incredulo

If you got two of those wind-up monkeys with the cymbals, and put them face to face and let them go at it, you would have a more intelligent debate than what occurred in that thread. There were some valid points being made, but they may as well have been made to a brick wall.

[Dancing David]

Dear Increadulo,
If that is your real name, why are you here.
You could make the challenge by making a dead horse walk.

So what is this proof, for those of us who are new?

And why should you give a flying fig about it?

Your post is better written than any of the suspects , so what are you trying to say. What is your point?

Are you just a troll?

[GroundStrength]

Dear Troll,

It does not matter what is on the tape. The protocalls for the challenge were not followed and IMO (and apparently the opinion of the JREF) there was nothing to test.

But then you knew this already...

Now go away.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by incredulo
I'd been a lurker of this board for a long time.No, you haven't. You just registered last month.

One of the topics I followed was "The Carlos Swett affair" I never understood why the thread was locked since it was still on debate.If you had really read all 44 pages of that thread, there would be no doubt in your mind that debate on the issue had ceased long, long before page 44.

Unless you are Carlos.

Hi, Carlos!

[kookbreaker]

Whattsamatta Carlos? Whining on sci.skeptic (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=author:elvergonzale%40hotmail.com+) not getting you the results you wanted?

[incredulo]

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be wrong in your interpretation of your thoughts?

Have you ever considered the possibility that JREF did not made the correct research in this topic?

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet."
Andrew Harter
Researcher
James Randi Educational Foundation

"Andrew made the right decision, with my approval". James Randi




?


You are alluding to be intelligent-skeptics persons .
I didn't need to be registered to read this board.
Cut it out the trolling with me.

Incredulo

[rwald]

Incredulo (if that is your name), I talked with Carlos at length, both on this board, in the IRC chat room, and over MSN messenger. Trust me, he has no understanding of the scientific method or of the JREF challenge. His complaint relies entirely on a misinterpretation of one phrase in the page introducing the Challenge; anyone who's actually read the rules defining the Challenge knows that Carlos is wrong. It's that simple.

[incredulo]

Originally posted by kookbreaker
Whattsamatta Carlos? Whining on sci.skeptic (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=author:elvergonzale%40hotmail.com+) not getting you the results you wanted?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Incredulo

[incredulo]

Originally posted by rwald
Incredulo (if that is your name), I talked with Carlos at length, both on this board, in the IRC chat room, and over MSN messenger. Trust me, he has no understanding of the scientific method or of the JREF challenge. His complaint relies entirely on a misinterpretation of one phrase in the page introducing the Challenge; anyone who's actually read the rules defining the Challenge knows that Carlos is wrong. It's that simple.

Carlos did not understand the scientific method of the research Andrew did on a copy of a video that's available on the Internet?
:rolleyes:

Do you consider yourself skeptic? :rolleyes:

Is Carlos here to tell us if you are saying the truth?:rolleyes:

Incredulo

[GroundStrength]

He may be...

[incredulo]

Originally posted by GroundStrength
He may be...

Are you skeptic?

:rolleyes:

[GroundStrength]

I AM that I AM.

You are a troll, and apparently one who can not read English.

The contest rules are very straight-forward.

Go Away.

[Beleth]

EVERYONE STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

This is exactly how Carlos operates. He is goading all of us into doing nothing but keeping this thread going.

Nothing productive will come of this. He will continue to ask stupid questions that you will feel obliged to answer reasonably, which will only prompt him to ask more stupid questions, ad nauseum.

He is not interested in resolving this. He only wants to waste your time.

Go respond to something else. Please.

[renata]

Both Latin and Carlos are members of my forum. Carlos posts quite frequently. If you think it is one of them, you can inquire there. Indeed there is a flame thread just started about this very issue.


Carlos requested I post a rebuttal on JREF which I did in this thread.
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23029

As Hal asked me not to post Carlos' post, due to him being banned I will not repost Carlos' response here. However, all are welcome to engage him on my forum.

[incredulo]

Originally posted by Beleth

EVERYONE STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

This is exactly how Carlos operates. He is goading all of us into doing nothing but keeping this thread going.





STOP

This is exactly how a kook operates.:wink8:

Incredulo

:rolleyes:

[Dancing David]

So
1. Why did you post.

2.What evidence of the paranormal?

3. If you are not carlos, will you answer a dirrect question?

[rwald]

David, just take Beleth's advice. After 44 pages of nonsense, it should be clear that talking doesn't work with these people. Lack of talking is all that works.

[Dancing David]

I figure that so far it is carlos, but hey , the leopard can change it's spots , no?

[rwald]

No, it can't. Not this leopard.

[SpectorDetector]

A lepoard doesnt choose his spots.

:D

[rwald]

True, but to what degree does one "choose" one's level of rationality? I am suggesting that people such as Carlos are highly unlikely to ever become more rational.

Also, I'm not so sure this is Carlos; he was always very annoyed when other people used sock puppets or otherwise didn't fully reveal who they were, so it would be out of character for him to present himself under a different name.

[aggle_rithm]

Originally posted by rwald
True, but to what degree does one "choose" one's level of rationality? I am suggesting that people such as Carlos are highly unlikely to ever become more rational.

Also, I'm not so sure this is Carlos; he was always very annoyed when other people used sock puppets or otherwise didn't fully reveal who they were, so it would be out of character for him to present himself under a different name.

Maybe he's got an intern?

[incredulo]

Originally posted by Beleth


Hi, Carlos!

You need to provide evidence of your claim if you believe I am Carlos.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Based on your logic, only Andrew Harter and his unsituable research on the web can be considered the final word about Carlos's claim .:rolleyes:

Why are you wasting your time if your single intention is to keep adoring your JREF gods?:wink:

Incredulo

[Dancing David]

So could you have an independant analysis of the video by say the company that does the UFO debunking? Or would that be biased as well, what proof is there that AH's analysis is not sound?

You act like Carlos, but you write better, will you answer my questions?

[incredulo]

Originally posted by Dancing David

You act like Carlos, but you write better, will you answer my questions?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: (wet dreams?)

Read mi OP, punk.

Quick attention to the following skeptical research.

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet."
Andrew Harter
Researcher
James Randi Educational Foundation


Incredulo

[afree87]

This is so much fun, this very direct and concerned discussion. Let me say here that I think walla walla and didda didda and booka booka poo. Also, I think you should doola doola obla obla dip de dip dip. And it seems to me that our forum badda bing badda boom badda ling ling ling, and that even so your responses show such pesty in flamma lamma ding dong. So in these times when skepticism is at breakfast, asleep in the arms of the alimentary bood, that you are certainly bendicky to the concerns of your liperamma damma fizzle foodee dingle dangle dreb of our society, and the good thing is that ordinary people can actually get the pring that you have their fandaglee doodity in mind as you press forward with your attempt at the Challenge.

[JAR]

Incredulo, did you actually read the Million Dollar Challenge Application? Carlos Swett did not meet the most important requirement of the application which is to state exactly what his power is.

[hal bidlack]

Incredulo,

an IP address trace shows that you are posting from the same ISP as Latin did. It shows you posting from the same town in Equador as Latin did. In addition, the only subject you have shown an interest in is the one that got Latin banned.

I find these data points of interest, as sock puppets of banned folks are not allowed. Your response?

[Beleth]

Well, I have a response.

It seems that I owe Carlos an apology.

Hi, Latin!

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
Incredulo,

an IP address trace shows that you are posting from the same ISP as Latin did. It shows you posting from the same town in Equador as Latin did. In addition, the only subject you have shown an interest in is the one that got Latin banned.


OK, everyone who is surprised, raise your hand.

:nope:

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by incredulo


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: (wet dreams?)

Read mi OP, punk.

Quick attention to the following skeptical research.

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet."
Andrew Harter
Researcher
James Randi Educational Foundation


Incredulo

Ah, the last resort of the overly intellegent. Bye now troll, have fun under the bridge.

You have no proof, thats why you won't discussit! Name calling someone who wasn't on the board when the whole thing happens just shows you are a troll queen. At least I am confident of my self.

[incredulo]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
Incredulo,


. In addition, the only subject you have shown an interest in is the one that got Latin banned.



: BULLS**T BULLS**T

Is against your rules to show a particular interest in one subject ?



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Incredulo

[rwald]

It's not against the rules, per say, but it is...interesting. Very...interesting.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by incredulo
Is against your rules to show a particular interest in one subject ?No, Latin, what's against our rules is you posting here at all.

That's what being banned means.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by incredulo

*snip*
Is against your rules to show a particular interest in one subject ?



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Incredulo Hal did not say it was against the rules. He just presented it as further evidence that you are Latinijral.

- You have the same IP address as Latinijral.

- You have the same typing style as Latinijral.

- You take up Latinijral's topic right where he left it.

This is called strong circumstantial evidence.

Now, go away.

Hans

[Lord Kenneth]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
Incredulo,

an IP address trace shows that you are posting from the same ISP as Latin did. It shows you posting from the same town in Equador as Latin did. In addition, the only subject you have shown an interest in is the one that got Latin banned.

I find these data points of interest, as sock puppets of banned folks are not allowed. Your response?

That's incredibly strong circumstantial evidence- I'd bet anything that's latinijiral. Ban him.

[incredulo]

Originally posted by Lord Kenneth
That's incredibly strong circumstantial evidence- I'd bet anything that's latinijiral. Ban him.

Hey Butthead , heh heh heh, you wrote strong circumcision :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey punk , read about this weak research.

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet."
Andrew Harter
Researcher
James Randi Educational Foundation


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Incredulo

[hal bidlack]

OK, I think this has gone on long enough. Latin, you are gone, again.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Na na na na,
Na na na na,
Heeeey, Heeeey
Gooooood Bye!!!

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by incredulo

Hey Butthead , heh heh heh, you wrote strong circumcision :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

*snip* Strong circumcision????

Deliberate? Or :dl:


Hans

[Aoidoi]

It was pretty clearly a Beavis & Butthead reference... I guess they must have been translated to spanish at some point. Who knew (or cared)?

Geez, this guy's even less entertaining than agur, no loss from this banning.

[Tmeto Mituko]

Problem finding James Randi commentary accoording to challenge commenting here. Nobody knowing ?

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[hal bidlack]

Tmeto,

I find it interesting that you appear here on the day Carlos left Renata's forum, you appeared here. You registered as being from Taiwan, but your IP address, captured by VBull, is based out of Ecuador.

Of your four posts, one is here, one is in the welcome thread, and one is in a thread about an "image" in a photo, and one is asking for information about people who have made paranormal claims.

May I ask for your comments on this? Any theories or evidences?

[Tmeto Mituko]

Fellow Hal

No naming me Carlos , me not naming Renata. I naming Tsa, borning Taiwan.
Me reading James Randi the paranormal commentary. Liking me the paranormal skepeticisming.

Not me finding list challenging Randi in this reading here.Where finding commentary this challenge.
Me more reading less writing.

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[The Fool]

Come on Hal.... If this were any more obvious.....just do it.

[MRC_Hans]

A very unconvincing "accent". I have done a lot of communicating with chinese peaking people. There is a distinct "written accent", and it is not this one.

Anyhow, he overdid it this time, being totally incomprehensible :rolleyes:

Hans

[hal bidlack]

"Tmeto" is no more...

[Lothian]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
"Tmeto" is no more... He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-TROLL!!

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Lothian
He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-TROLL!!

E's just pining for the fijords...

And I, for one would not be suprised if we don't see another attempt to get in here by the Carlos Crew.

[blackman bullet]

Originally posted by incredulo
I'd been a lurker of this board for a long time.One of the topics I followed was "The Carlos Swett affair" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=425750#post425750) I never understood why the thread was locked since it was still on debate.
In Mexico I had the opportunity to view the video tape One of my friends works on one of the biggest networks of this country and of the world.
When I saw the tape I finally understood why the James Randi Educational Foundation has the fear to comment about this topic :they failed under their own skeptical rules.

I am really dissapointed , since I am a skeptical beleiver , of how the researchers and the followers based their investigations in just some links of the web.
It is another story if you look the images at a proffesional tape IMO.


Incredulo


Randi sometimes is a troll and a big chicken.

[hal bidlack]

As one might suspect, this poster is a sock puppet. He claims to be from South Asia, but his IP resolves to Ecuador. Hum... who do we know there..., and his first (and only)two posts have been to parrot the complaints of Latin on his last visit here (Bidlack is a fake cuz he prays, and randi is a coward). So, he's gone too.

[Linda]

Hey Hal, I was just going to ban him and you beat me to it!:D

[hal bidlack]

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[clinttaylor]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
I am like the wind...

(as the theme from A Few Dollars More plays softly in the background)

[Monketey Ghost]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
I am like the wind...

You mean, you blow? :p

[hal bidlack]

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[Checkmite]

...was that real, or was it Memorex? :D

[Monketey Ghost]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi
...was that real, or was it Memorex? :D

It's neither, because it was (deleted) for some reason...

[ADD Boy]

:tr: :rolleyes: