What has the 9/11 Truth Movement Achieved?

[The Doc]

It's been 5 years since 9/11 Conspiracies started popping up.

The goals of the Truth Movement are something along the lines of:

* A new investigation
* Government brought to justice
* Bush impeached/arrested
* End the "tyranny"
* Stop the NWO

So basically my question is... what have they achieved?

They have raised a few eyebrows amongst the public, got a bit of a following and "converted" a few beyond return. Not to mention raised enough eyebrows to unwillingly start a "debunker movement" of sorts.

But if you look at this realistically, with the "evidence" they currently have which is supposed to be "irrefutable" and "non-debunkable", they haven't done anything. There isn't any signs of a new investigation around the corner, the government isn't even listening, Bush has far more to be worried about (eg. Iraq) than the "truth movement", there's no solid evidence for the existance of the NWO let alone any signs of it ending and the USA is far from a police state. Shouldn't this tell them something?

Supposedly 84% of the United States believes that 9/11 was an inside job, with the current outcomes of the "truth movement" I cannot see this figure as remotely possible.

So yeah, what have they got to show for themselves?

[Firestone]

It's been 5 years since 9/11 Conspiracies started popping up.

The goals of the Truth Movement are something along the lines of:

* A new investigation
* Government brought to justice
* Bush impeached/arrested
* End the "tyranny"
* Stop the NWO

So basically my question is... what have they achieved?

They have raised a few eyebrows amongst the public, got a bit of a following and "converted" a few beyond return. Not to mention raised enough eyebrows to unwillingly start a "debunker movement" of sorts.

But if you look at this realistically, with the "evidence" they currently have which is supposed to be "irrefutable" and "non-debunkable", they haven't done anything. There isn't any signs of a new investigation around the corner, the government isn't even listening, Bush has far more to be worried about (eg. Iraq) than the "truth movement", there's no solid evidence for the existance of the NWO let alone any signs of it ending and the USA is far from a police state. Shouldn't this tell them something?

Supposedly 84% of the United States believes that 9/11 was an inside job, with the current outcomes of the "truth movement" I cannot see this figure as remotely possible.

So yeah, what have they got to show for themselves?They have achieved none of their supposed goals.

They have achieved that people like myself (and many others I believe) have learned quite a lot about how skyscrapers are built, about buckling and sagging, about trusses and core columns, about how investigations work, about leases, about insurance, about put options, about FDR's, and many other things.

They have also reminded people like myself (and many others), if necessary, of the importance of critical thinking.

And sometimes they have achieved making people like myself very angry and/or very sad.

But any achievement of the "Truth movement"? Nothing!

[VespaGuy]

So yeah, what have they got to show for themselves?

Dylan and the Looser Crew got to meet Charlie Sheen, and they also have some shiny new ATVs* in one of their little ego-videos.




*Not sure if they bought those with their LC money, but considering Dylan's cries of poverty while making Loose Change (sleeping on people's couches), I'll go out on a limb and guess that those were purchased with their earnings from the film that's dedicated to the families of the victims of 9/11.

[The Doc]

True.

I forgot to say that. So basically I mean:
"What else has the 9/11 Truth movement achieved other than making money of the deaths of innocent people?". My bad lol.

[JAStewart]

Well they've made my life frustrating (since I evolved), they have made a form of impact in the world, if you were to ask someone if they knew what the conspiracy theory of 9/11 was, they would say something aboot the pentagon and CD, but probably not believe it.

So they've made a few people aware of their little game, thats all.

[pagan]

Supposedly 84% of the United States believes that 9/11 was an inside job, with the current outcomes of the "truth movement" I cannot see this figure as remotely possible.

So yeah, what have they got to show for themselves?


Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.

[chipmunk stew]

Well, we seems to have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on are the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters Gullible to the extreme.
Trollin', trollin', trollin',
Gee, your head is swollen,
Keep them myths a-rollin',
Pagan!


To hear Alex Jones tell it, the Truthers have prevented several further False Flag Attacks by keeping the pressure on the NWO and making sure They know we know what They're up to so They better not try anything tricky or we'll expose Them and Their treachery YOU HEAR ME YOU SICK BASTARDS!!!

[chipmunk stew]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority.
If you're in the majority, then why haven't you come close to any of these goals?

* A new investigation
* Government brought to justice
* Bush impeached/arrested
* End the "tyranny"
* Stop the NWO

[bob_kark]

True.

I forgot to say that. So basically I mean:
"What else has the 9/11 Truth movement achieved other than making money of the deaths of innocent people?". My bad lol.
Well, what else exactly would there be, other than to allow a few nutcases a soapbox to stand on and share their special brand of paranoia? The very existence of the Truth movement is defined by making money and making a name of people who are otherwise Assistant Managers at McDonalds at best. What exactly could Assistant Managers at McDonalds accomplish?

[pagan]

Trollin', trollin', trollin',
Gee, your head is swollen,
Keep them myths a-rollin',
Pagan!


To hear Alex Jones tell it, the Truthers have prevented several further False Flag Attacks by keeping the pressure on the NWO and making sure They know we know what They're up to so They better not try anything tricky or we'll expose Them and Their treachery YOU HEAR ME YOU SICK BASTARDS!!!

You are getting desperate Stew:D I can only repeat:

You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Muslim haters, gullible to the extreme.

[A W Smith]

What have they achieved? Exactly what the core of their movement wanted

Dylan has the "next five years" of his life planned out. Don't ask him about the details because its "his business". has nothing to do with any movement. its not about the people. the people are secondary. its about the money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Bermas was able to quit his "job" last spring and hasn't worked since. As Dylan's mouthpiece he tours and makes pod casts. wonder what his 1040 will look like this April? thats right its probably none of our "business'

Jones? Has a growing following. I noticed at GZ he wasn't wearing one of the black shirts. Didn't want it to appear he was just standing on Dylan's cape and going for a ride.

So I say the smart ones in the bunch have accomplished exactly what they wanted. The fools who follow them are just like the peons of a Multi level marketing association. They "believe" the product like a religion, They want recognition and power just like event speakers. But they fail to see the REAL money trail that is hidden from them.

make a list of your "friends"
BUY the product for yourself even if its more expensive (credibility) than a comparable product, it supports your 'business"
Go to "meetings" to push your "product" and bring a friend
Network!

[MRC_Hans]

Well, we seems to have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on are the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters Gullible to the extreme.Certainly, English skills are not among their achievements. So this 84% of Americans, how come about half of them still support Bush? And how come not a single major news provider (including non-US providers) cites a suspicion of 9/11 as an inside job as the reason for his recent popularity decline?

And why do you have a long way to go? How will you go? Have you any substantial new evidence to disclose? .. Because if not, methinks you will find it to be an uphill trip.

Hans

[Ratatoskr]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.

We, in the minority? My dear neighbor, don't make me laugh. If there is anyone gullible here, it's you. Please, do some critical thinking, and read the documents I'm sure you have been showed before.

(PS: Start with the link section on this forum)

[MortFurd]

Well, we seems to have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on are the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters Gullible to the extreme.
Note the words "supposedly" and "I cannot see this figure as remotely possible" in The Doc's posting.

The 84% figure comes from a beloved misrepresentation that the CTs make: A good many people aren't completely satisfied with the reports on the September 11, 2001 attacks and many of them think the government is hiding something.

CTs translate that to mean "lots of people think 911 was an inside job," when it really means "lots of people think the gov is hiding mistakes and incompetence."

[HyJinX]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.


Given this statement, they've obviously built a world of complete delusion and falsehood around themselves. They've learned how easy it is to allow themselves to become judge, jury and executioner with total disregard of facts, evidence or hard data to support their claim. They've learned to completely contradict themselves about what is actually important to their so called "Cause". They've learned that a person can live, function, communicate and create total fabricated lives, without any concern for the actual truth while actually living with their heads completely submersed inside their own asses. They've learned to ask A LOT of questions without feeling obliged to answer any. They've learned to connect the death of innocent victims to the NWO and OBL. They've learned to be antisemitic. And lastly, they've succeeded in drawing a very large line between logic and fantasy.

Pathetic at best.

[jhunter1163]

This is how Dylan's Scamway™ works:

1. Buy Dylan's Scamway Starter Kit (LC DVD, black t-shirt)

2. Find three stupid people, refer them to 911truth.org or the LC forum.

3. Get them to buy Dylan's Scamway Starter Kit. You will be given credit for 20% of their purchase, which you can use for valuable discounts at the LC Store.

4. Each of your three stupid people goes out and finds three more stupid people, and the process repeats.

The trouble with Dylan's plan is that there are a finite (and probably quite small) number of people stupid enough to buy his theory.

[bob_kark]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.
You really are insane if you believe that. By confining your existence to the truth movement, you're forcing yourself into a self-reaffirming delusion. Everything you see is related to the "Truth Movement" because you surround yourself with it. Or at least I would have to assume you do to believe the BS you spewed in this quote. I've yet to meet a single person who believes in any of the theories provided by the "Truth Movement." To be honest though, I don't frequent any mental institutions.

[pagan]

Certainly, English skills are not among their achievements. So this 84% of Americans, how come about half of them still support Bush? And how come not a single major news provider (including non-US providers) cites a suspicion of 9/11 as an inside job as the reason for his recent popularity decline?

And why do you have a long way to go? How will you go? Have you any substantial new evidence to disclose? .. Because if not, methinks you will find it to be an uphill trip.

Hans

Min käre Hans.

Det är inte precis min skyldighet att ha en perfekt Engelska. Så länge som den tillräcklig för att förstås är jag nöjd.

We already have all the evidence we need. Dubya is not sitting well, after his term.
Well, MSM is one of our main opponents now. It is evidence how corporate media is in bed with the power.

[stateofgrace]

What have they achieved?, well they got children to write silly things...

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.

.....and believe it.

ETA...
Incidentally I am not from the USA, I really do not like Bush, I am not an Arab hater ,I actually loath racism and I do not consider myself gullible.

I support the truth, my friend, not silly conspiracy that have absolutely zero factual basis. I support or condemn polices, whether they be my own counties or any other countries on fact, not the rantings of ct loonies.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.

Argumentum ad populum
This is another instance of a fallacy of relevance. For example:
You say that raising taxes will result in better public services, but hardly anyone believes that these days.The problem here is that the number of people believing in an idea has no impact on its truth. An interesting other example shows this nicely: a common presumption, it seems, is that people in the past almost universally believed the earth to be flat, while we now know that it isn't. The fact that so many people allegedly believed that it was flat didn't change the shape of the earth accordingly, and if someone in those days had asserted that "everyone says the earth is flat" in defence of that claim then we would say that this didn't make it so: no amount of belief in a false idea can make it true. The irony is that historical inquiry teaches us that this example is also false, even though plenty of people seem to believe it: the belief in a flat earth was not widespread and the studies of historians have overturned this myth, even though many still hold to it.
The general form is as follows:
P1: A is claimed;
P2: x many people believe that A is false, where x is large;
C: Therefore, A is false.Reading beyond this argument, we can see that there are hidden assumptions to do with the ability of people to determine the truth of such questions on their own. For example:
P1: A is claimed;
P2: A majority of people is able to judge questions outside their area of expertise or knowledge with a high degree of validity;
P3: It is possible to accurately gauge the collective opinion of people on such matters;
P4: x many people believe that A is false, where x is a majority;
C: Therefore, A is false.Even here there are still presuppositions that remain implicit and could be drawn out by further analysis. Appealing to the masses—which is what the Latin term means—is irrelevant to the truth or otherwise of the claim. There are more complicated examples we could consider, like this one:
You shouldn't use racist language because almost everyone thinks it's wrong to do so.Here a normative moral claim ("you shouldn't use racist language") is justified by appealing to the number of people who agree with it. Is this an argumentum ad populum, though? As we saw in our discussion of ethics, some moral thinkers suggest that issues of right and wrong are decided by intersubjective agreement; in that case, the claim would actually read something like this:
P1: Moral issues are decided by intersubjective agreement;
P2: Intersubjective agreement suggests that racist language is wrong;
C: Therefore, it is wrong to use racist language.Put in this form, it seems like a reasonable argument to make. For those who disagree about intersubjective agreement, however, P1 would be disputed and the attempt to justify the conclusion by appealing to P2 would be regarded as fallacious.
A slightly different version of this fallacy is the appeal to tradition, where reference is made not to the number of people who hold a belief but the (alleged) fact that it has been believed for so long (or that the belief is an integral part of a society or culture) that to question it is folly. For example:
You say we should no longer have a nuclear deterrent, but there has always been war and always will be and we need to be able to defend ourselves.Here the traditional belief among a significant number of people that war is a reality of life is used to justify a claim about defence requirements. However, this is not obvious and needs to be argued in turn; the fact (even if true) that people have always believed war to be an inevitability of life does not make it so, nor does the number of people who might believe it now or in the future. Once again, though, the matter is much more subtle: this could be a self-fulfilling prophecy, since if a majority of people feel war to be inevitable then they may be less likely to avoid it than those who are convinced just as surely that there is always a peaceful solution to any potential conflict. Appealing to tradition may be a reasonable thing to do if the tradition is true.
In summary, the argumentum ad populum uses numbers to support claims when an inductive justification is insufficient to prove them.
http://www.galilean-library.org/int16.html#ad_populum

Additionally,

Hasty generalisation
This fallacy is often called the converse accident because it is the opposite to the fallacy of accident above; that is, it involves moving too quickly from the specific to the general. For example:
Some murders are committed by men, so if we locked away all males there would be no more murders.If we replace "murder" by any other social ill and "men" by a minority group, we can see that we have the kind of argument that has historically been used to justify organized or individual violence against them. The fallacy lies in making a general rule of a few particular cases, hence the hasty generalization. In this case, we need only find a single counter-example to show that the general claim is false, such as a murder by a female.
Another example could be as follows:
My friend lied to me, so it just goes to show that you can never trust anyone.As before, the single specific instance of a friend lying has been used to justify a general rule that all friends (or indeed anyone at all) are liars. One or more friends who are not liars would serve as counter-examples to defeat the claim. To avoid the hasty generalization we have to be careful not to come up with a general rule from too few particular cases.
http://www.galilean-library.org/int16.html#hasty_generalisation

Also, if you call me racist, directly or indirectly, again I will report you to the mods.

[MortFurd]

Min käre Hans.

Det är inte precis min skyldighet att ha en perfekt Engelska. Så länge som den tillräcklig för att förstås är jag nöjd.

We already have all the evidence we need. Dubya is not sitting well, after his term.
Well, MSM is one of our main opponents now. It is evidence how corporate media is in bed with the power.
If you have evidence, please present it.
Lies, innuendo, and misunderstandings of the laws of physics are not acceptable.

[CurtC]

It's interesting that you have that perception, pagan, because compared to a year ago when I first learned of the CTs, the Truthiness movement seems to have dwindled to a small number of the more insane people. I think it's pretty much over - now most people have already heard the theories and dismissed them. I'm sure that you, Christophera, TerrorCell, Roxdog, Lyte Trip, and Merc will never be convinced (I'm not so sure about Dylan), but you'll be all alone.

[MortFurd]

You are getting desperate Stew:D I can only repeat:

You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Muslim haters, gullible to the extreme.
I don't have a problem with Muslims, nor with Arabs. I have a severe problem with terrorists, regardless of their race or religion. In the case of September 11, 2001, the terrorists happen to have been both Arab and Muslim. I can be majorly pissed at those terrorists without having to also hate Arabs and Muslims.

[MRC_Hans]

Min käre Hans.

Det är inte precis min skyldighet att ha en perfekt Engelska. Så länge som den tillräcklig för att förstås är jag nöjd.

We already have all the evidence we need. Dubya is not sitting well, after his term.
Well, MSM is one of our main opponents now. It is evidence how corporate media is in bed with the power.Ja, det er da en rimelig forklaring.

Sorry about the jab about English, it was perhaps not so much directed at you in particular, several of the native English speakers in the CT crowds are much worse.

So you are Swedish? That makes your remark about "we are in majority" even more absurd. How many Swedes do you think subscribe to the 911CT? How many even care?

Dubya is certainly not sitting well, but what do you know, he was going anyway, since a US president sitting for three periods is very rare. But did you miss my point about that part? Where (outside the CT crowd, obviously) is anybody citing a possible involvement in 911 as the reason for his decline in popularity?

And if you already have all the evidence you need, why do you feel you still have a long way to go? And how will you get any further, if this is how long your present evidence has brought you?

Hans

[JimBenArm]

Dubya is certainly not sitting well, but what do you know, he was going anyway, since a US president sitting for three periods is very rare.
Actually, FDR is the only one to serve more than two terms. And now, it's not even possible, since the president is limited legally to two terms.

[milesalpha]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.


We can see from this that they are unable to distinguish between people who require verifiable proof and people who are driven blindly by political goals. Some of us have disliked Bush for longer than you have been alive, but that still does not make your lack of proof any more acceptable. The basic argument of 9/11 is one of science, not politics and celebrity.

[Anti-sophist]

I can think of at least two major accomplishments of the truth movement:

1) Helped remove several incompetent professors
2) Vastly reduced the workload of JFK, Apollo, and OkCity debunkers.

[chipmunk stew]

It's interesting that you have that perception, pagan, because compared to a year ago when I first learned of the CTs, the Truthiness movement seems to have dwindled to a small number of the more insane people. I think it's pretty much over - now most people have already heard the theories and dismissed them. I'm sure that you, Christophera, TerrorCell, Roxdog, Lyte Trip, and Merc will never be convinced (I'm not so sure about Dylan), but you'll be all alone.
All the people who signed on to be part of history, their generation's Contribution to Change, the "cool factor", are quickly realizing how un-cool the Truth Movement really is and are jumping ship in droves.

In the beginning of '06, when "LC2E" was building steam, you couldn't find a message board or blog that wasn't littered with Truthiness. A year later, the ranks of the Truthiness squads have thinned, and when they do invade a board or blog, not only is it often the same small cadre of true believers, but also (unless there is heavy-handed, pro-Inside Job moderation) they are swiftly overwhelmed by debunkers, and the weakness of their rants is obvious.

They are winning few new converts, and are most likely losing membership quite rapidly.

[chipmunk stew]

Actually, FDR is the only one to serve more than two terms. And now, it's not even possible, since the president is limited legally to two terms.
Indeed, if Bush sits for a third term, then maybe the Truthers are right.

[Alt+F4]

...the Truthiness movement seems to have dwindled to a small number of the more insane people.

I agree. I predict that by the sixth anniversary of 9/11:

1. What's left of the "truth" movement will be mad up of the "no planers" and "Star Wars beamers".
2. Lyte and Merc's movie still won't be finished.
3. LC:FC will be found in the 49 cent bargin bin at your local third rate video store.
4. Charlie Sheen will have been arrested when the Feds shut down his, "why not order an underaged hooker while gambling online" website.

[MikeW]

They are winning few new converts, and are most likely losing membership quite rapidly.
I think they're also overestimating the dedication of the average truther. The core membership may pay no attention to debunkers, but I suspect the less committed are worried by just how many of their central arguments are, uh, less than solid. We're seeing a few doubts expressed even in their own forums (Loose Change, nineeleven.co.uk etc), and my guess is they're even more concerned in private. I'm not sure if they're losing these people just yet, but it won't take much for that to start to happen.

And for some figures instead of guesswork, take a look at the 911blogger visitor traffic. (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=911blogger.com) There were big peaks around the 9/11 anniversary, but now it's more or less at the level it was six months ago. And most 9/11 sites show the same thing.

[MortFurd]

Of the items on their agenda, the Truth Movement has accomplished the following four items:

Diddly
Squat
Jack
Sh**

[uk_dave]

Jones? Has a growing following. I noticed at GZ he wasn't wearing one of the black shirts. Didn't want it to appear he was just standing on Dylan's cape and going for a ride.



Yes that was interesting wasn't it? Also when Jones decided it was time to leave, then they all had to follow him even though bermas was involved in an interview with someone at the time.

I think jones definately gets a kick out of having these kids look up to him (he seems to have a childish mentality himself) but he doesn't want to be consumed by their organisation...unless he can lead it. It's all a big ego trip for jonesy.

[The Demon's Head]

It's been 5 years since 9/11 Conspiracies started popping up.

The goals of the Truth Movement are something along the lines of:

* A new investigation
* Government brought to justice
* Bush impeached/arrested
* End the "tyranny"
* Stop the NWO

So basically my question is... what have they achieved?

They have raised a few eyebrows amongst the public, got a bit of a following and "converted" a few beyond return. Not to mention raised enough eyebrows to unwillingly start a "debunker movement" of sorts.

But if you look at this realistically, with the "evidence" they currently have which is supposed to be "irrefutable" and "non-debunkable", they haven't done anything. There isn't any signs of a new investigation around the corner, the government isn't even listening, Bush has far more to be worried about (eg. Iraq) than the "truth movement", there's no solid evidence for the existance of the NWO let alone any signs of it ending and the USA is far from a police state. Shouldn't this tell them something?

Supposedly 84% of the United States believes that 9/11 was an inside job, with the current outcomes of the "truth movement" I cannot see this figure as remotely possible.

So yeah, what have they got to show for themselves?

The Truth Movement's efforts have amounted to nothing.

They have theories, no proof. They have seemed to overlook to most important thing which would be evidence. They have no evidence whatsoever.

The truth is, if the many members of the Truth Movement were really that dissatisfied with the USG's explanation of the of the events of 9/11 and despise the USG, I would think that many of these members would have left the U.S. or stop paying taxes. If they are so disgusted with the USG, then why would they continue to support it?

And they want media attention, but hardly any form of media would want to waste their time with this moronic discourse that this so-called Truth Movement spreads through a vast amount of Internet forums.

[Gravy]

Further to MikeW's post, here's a snapshot of activity on 5 of the most popular truther sites over the past year.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045b8d5b5e4d44.jpg

Where are all the new members? I thought the "truth" was spreading? :con2:

[jhunter1163]

Further to MikeW's post, here's a snapshot of activity on 5 of the most popular truther sites over the past year.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045b8d5b5e4d44.jpg

Where are all the new members? I thought the "truth" was spreading? :con2:



And you have to remember, some part of what activity they have comes from JREF.

[Regnad Kcin]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority. You are from now on the kooks. I am happy to give you my tin foil hat.

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.What color is the sky on your planet? Pink and green checkerboard, I'll wager.

[Trifikas]

Anyone else find it strangely ironic that they achieved pretty much the same percentage of their goals as PNAC?

[PerryLogan]

In a way, the Truthers got some further investigation--with the Popular Mechanics debunkings, the additional Pentagon photos that were released, and tons of research done at this forum and other websites. The fact that all further investigations backed up the government story makes the CTs reluctant to acknowledge them as achievements.

[Ducky]

They certainly achieved flaming internet forums.

That's about it. I put that right up there with slapping a stranger on the scale of "important accomplishments."

It's about as important as scratching your ass.




ETA:

I have yet to see Dylan get his movie into theaters. That would be an achievement. *rolls eyes*

[aggle-rithm]

Further to MikeW's post, here's a snapshot of activity on 5 of the most popular truther sites over the past year.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045b8d5b5e4d44.jpg

Where are all the new members? I thought the "truth" was spreading? :con2:


I dunno...could be the big, bad, gubmint is shutting down their internet access, one troofer at a time.

Actually, that sounds like a government program...shut down the users rather than the sites.

[CHF]

So yeah, what have they got to show for themselves?

Ummmm....black t-shirts and a whole lot of embarassing interviews?

[CHF]

Well, we have achived that you guys are the minority.

So when's the revolution?

[CHF]

I think it's pretty much over - now most people have already heard the theories and dismissed them.

Yeah that's pretty much where things stand.

They've made their arguments, and presented their idea of proof. It accomplished nothing constructive or meaningful.

From here on in they can only wait for a whisteblower to confirm what they claim or for some engineers to jump on board the sinking ship.

In other words, it's over.

[defaultdotxbe]

You are getting desperate Stew:D I can only repeat:

You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Muslim haters, gullible to the extreme.
how do you intend to reduce me to a ignorant bush lover, or a muslim hater? have you captured the governments mind control machine?

[MarkyX]

In a way, the Truthers got some further investigation--with the Popular Mechanics debunkings, the additional Pentagon photos that were released, and tons of research done at this forum and other websites. The fact that all further investigations backed up the government story makes the CTs reluctant to acknowledge them as achievements.

That's a very good point Perry. The 9/11 Deniers have made researchers and other experts speak out against these issues, thus educating the public more on what really happened. So in a way, the 9/11 Deniers are actually helping us.

Pretty damn ironic.

[beachnut]

It has given the ordinary citizen a tool to find terminally stupid people!

pagan>? The good news is terminally stupidity can be cured by learning to use your brain. If you want some hints on how you can do it; just ask questions. (wait, your cult has been doiing that! but you are not quesioning your own cult!)

[JamesB]

Further to MikeW's post, here's a snapshot of activity on 5 of the most popular truther sites over the past year.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045b8d5b5e4d44.jpg

Where are all the new members? I thought the "truth" was spreading? :con2:


Well in all fairness, the "Scholars" now have 3 websites, so their traffic is a bit dispersed. :D

[The Doc]

We still have a long way to go. But, we will win. You will be reduced to ignorant Bush lovers and Arab haters, gullible to the extreme.

Just out of curiosity, what are you basing that on?

What makes you so sure that:
a) We are a minority
b) You will "win"
c) We will be reduced to "Bush lovers and Arab haters"
d) We are gullible to the extreme

Tell me some progress you have made. Just saying "we have a long way to go" is a pretty true statement. But I want to know what you've accomplished so far.

[Pipirr]

They managed to achieve top comment billing (out of the special selected comments for view) plugging Loose Change, on this story in The Times. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2564492,00.html)

So if anyone has a pithy Loose Change beatdown to hand out, the Times of London is waiting....

Surprising because they usually screen the comments, as far as I know.

[tmskeptic]

It's been 5 years since 9/11 Conspiracies started popping up.

So basically my question is... what have they achieved?

1) Reduced crime by staying glued to their computers and off the streets.

2) Increased T-shirt sales, book sales, DVD sales, and subway ticket sales to Ground Zero.

Anything else is probably insignificant.

[LashL]

So when's the revolution?

And how will we know when it happens?

The revolution will not be televised ;)

[Brainster]

Further to MikeW's post, here's a snapshot of activity on 5 of the most popular truther sites over the past year.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045b8d5b5e4d44.jpg

Where are all the new members? I thought the "truth" was spreading? :con2:


We submitted Screw Loose Change to 9-11 Topsites (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/10/9-11-topsites-you-cant-handle-truth.html), which compares page views at various 9-11-related sites, but they never responded or put us on their lists despite my inserting their code for several months. From what I can see it may be embarrassment. We actually would rank above the Scholars right now; as of this evening we're averaging 2597 (http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s24screwloose&r=0) pages per day, while the Scholars are getting 2427 (http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s24st911). Note: These rankings disagree with those on Alexa, but I would point out that sitemeters are actually placed on blogs to monitor their own traffic; I am not sure how Alexa does their estimates.

[maccy]

They managed to achieve top comment billing (out of the special selected comments for view) plugging Loose Change, on this story in The Times. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2564492,00.html)

So if anyone has a pithy Loose Change beatdown to hand out, the Times of London is waiting....

Surprising because they usually screen the comments, as far as I know.

I added a comment last night - I've just checked and it's showing up now.

ETA: by the way, it wasn't top billing on specially selected comments - it's just the three most recent comments that show up.

[Pipirr]

I added a comment last night - I've just checked and it's showing up now.

ETA: by the way, it wasn't top billing on specially selected comments - it's just the three most recent comments that show up.

Good work. I hadn't realised that it was in date order. Rather disturbing to think that somebody had specially selected it; happy that isn't the case.