Should there be a murder investigation?

[mailman]

One of the arguements Im in over at liberty is why no homicide investgation has been carried out?

I would have thought a normal homicide investigation wouldnt really apply to a situation where 3000 people had just been killed but thats just me. To the 9/11 conspiracist cnut this is just proof of a government cover up! yawn!

Anywho, do people know what the story is with something like this?

Regards

Mailman

ps. if a 9/11 conspiracist cnut got killed, would that require a homocide enquiry? :D

[Gravy]

Huh? The investigation involving over 7,000 FBI agents, and many other law enforcement agents, was to determine who murdered 2,986 people.

[HyJinX]

Who are you going to prosecute? All the murderers are dead. You can charge others with conspiracy to commit murder...but the woowoos will twist what that actually means and fold into their own nut nut fantasy.

[The Almond]

I would link their "no murder investigation" argument to their, "we need an independent investigation argument". The bottom line is that the CTers are unsatisfied that the results of one of the largest investigations in US history was unable to produce evidence that supports their claim. The solution, therefore, is to investigate until we find the evidence.

[Loss Leader]

One of the arguements Im in over at liberty is why no homicide investgation has been carried out?

Contrary to popular belief, a police file is not opened every time somebody turns up dead or even every time somebody turns up obviously murdered. The police are free to investigate whichever incidents they want and to refuse to investigate whatever they want. The only reason police ever investigate anything is to gather admissible evidence to prosecute someone for a crime. This being said, there are three main reasons why police would refuse to investigate a possible crime. I will take them in order from least to most important:

1. The interests of justice - Police may see an investigation and prosecution as (while serving the letter of the law) not serving the concept of justice. The store clerk who shoots the junkie gangbanger robber may have overreacted - he may have used excessive force - but the police may see no real social downside to letting him get away with it.

2. The matter has not sufficiently come to their attention - In order to investigate something, police first have to have some idea that there's something to investigate. The Tr00th movement, for all of its hand-waving, has not raised the interest of even one of the forty thousand New York police officers or even the thousands and thousands of others in areas that might have jurisdiction. A single complaint is not sufficient without some evidence no matter how loudly made. And, even so, has ANY tr00ther actually gathered his evidence, walked into a police station and reported a crime? If they want an investigation, have they actually asked the police for one? Or have they just sort of asked the question into the air?

3. Economy of resources - Police choose some complaints to ignore and some to pursue based on a calculation of how much effort it will take to produce what result. The more man-hours put in, the less that are available for other investigations. A personnel-intensive investigation had better have a huge payout for all of the crime that will go unstopped because of it. With such flimsy evidence on their side, Tr00thers are asking for a massive redirection of police resources. They're going to need to show the cops that the chance of actually convicting anybody of anything is very, very high.

And, of course, that chance is actually very, very low. All of the murderers are dead. Those who provided them aid are being hunted by the US military (which needs zero evidence before killing them). The chance of finding out that it was really an inside job and uncovering a government conspiracy is idiotically small.

But there's another problem with this Tr00ther argument: There was a police investigation. Thousands and thousands of documents and records were created by the police regarding the events of 9/11. Witness statements were taken, victims lists were compiled, missing people were traked down, inventories of lost items were made, photos and videos were taken, and more. And that's just by the NYPD. Federal police tracked the movements of the terrorists, their funding sources, their associates, people who had met them once and smiled warmly, people whose names sounded a little like the names of actual witnesses if you said them fast, and some random people who were just minding their own business.

The investigation was done. It was thorough. There is nothing left to do.

[mailman]

Ah, I see now...an investigation was done but not to their satisfaction!

Thank you LL, thats a very good answer to my question.

Regards

Mailman

[Gravy]

As a reminder, The area of Fresh Kills landfill where 1,000 people worked for 10 months sorting and sifting 3.2 billion pounds of debris and remains, was classified as a crime scene and was administered by the NYPD. NYPD detectives did much of the searching for evidence there, along with 55 FBI Evidence Response Teams.

[MG1962]

As a reminder, The area of Fresh Kills landfill where 1,000 people worked for 10 months sorting and sifting 3.2 billion pounds of debris and remains, was classified as a crime scene and was administered by the NYPD. NYPD detectives did much of the searching for evidence there, along with 55 FBI Evidence Response Teams.


This was on top of the recording of every potential human remain, its type location etc, before even being moved from the orginal site

Is it just me, or the place where all the debris was taken, had an exceedingly poor choice of names

[LashL]

This was on top of the recording of every potential human remain, its type location etc, before even being moved from the orginal site

Is it just me, or the place where all the debris was taken, had an exceedingly poor choice of names

Unfortunate name in the circumstances, perhaps, yes, but it was named that long before September 11, 2001. I think it goes back to the 1940s and refers to the estuary of the same name. Someone can, and no doubt will, correct me on that if I'm wrong, but I'm just going by memory.

[gumboot]

Huh? The investigation involving over 7,000 FBI agents, and many other law enforcement agents, was to determine who murdered 2,986 people.


The way the CTers ignore the FBI's criminal investigations into 9/11 really drives me mad. This "no homocide investigation" argument, along with comparing the 9/11 commission budget, the "destruction of evidence", lack of NTSB investigations, and such claims is all in the same general line - ignoring the criminal investigations.

9/11 was the worst crime ever perpetuated on American soil, and as far as I am aware the authorities treated it as such.

-Gumboot