Is Killtown cornered?

[MG1962]

Just thinking, his latest offering is about a girl who was killed because of sensitve information about Osama bin Laden and 911 in her thesis.

So by making this claim, is Killtown now countering his own claim that the US government did it.

Otherwise why would the girl be killed over an Osama/911 connection that couldn't possibly exist?.......If the government did it

[Coritani]

Just thinking, his latest offering is about a girl who was killed because of sensitve information about Osama bin Laden and 911 in her thesis.

So by making this claim, is Killtown now countering his own claim that the US government did it.

Otherwise why would the girl be killed over an Osama/911 connection that couldn't possibly exist?.......If the government did it

There is no connection between this and 9/11. Killtown is not a rational person.

I have no idea how Killtown thinks this can have anything to do with 9/11. But he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Calcas]

Just thinking, his latest offering is about a girl who was killed because of sensitve information about Osama bin Laden and 911 in her thesis.

So by making this claim, is Killtown now countering his own claim that the US government did it.

Otherwise why would the girl be killed over an Osama/911 connection that couldn't possibly exist?.......If the government did it

Nah, Killclown just throws so much crap against the wall in the hope that something might stick.

Did you ever see his "The Cory Lydle plane crash was faked" argument?

Insanity.

[Bell]

Just thinking, his latest offering is about a girl who was killed because of sensitve information about Osama bin Laden and 911 in her thesis.

So by making this claim, is Killtown now countering his own claim that the US government did it.

He does?

Otherwise why would the girl be killed over an Osama/911 connection that couldn't possibly exist?.......If the government did it

Who says the government did it?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS A HYPOTHETICAL AND DOES NOT REPRESENT MY ACTUAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT
[CT mindset]
If OBL remained a CIA asset after the ousting of the USSR from Afghanistan and ultimate was to become the patsy of the gov't's investigation of 9/11 (which was carried out by the gov't), then the girl's thesis may have uncovered this continued link.
[/CT mindset]
NOTE: THE PREVIOUS WAS A HYPOTHETICAL AND DOES NOT REPRESENT MY ACTUAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT

[Anti-sophist]

One time I thought I cornered Killtown.. but little did I know.. Killtown doesn't get cornered. Killtown is all-time greatest at what I refer to as "upping the crazy ante". That's essentially when faced with unassaible piece of evidence in direct contradiction to your hypothesis, you have effectively two choices, lose the conspiracy and come with us.... or magnify the conspiracy to immense and ludicrous proportions.

Can you guess which one Killtown will choose? If you are willing to go "deep" enough, you can explain anything.

One time I had Killtown actually starting to "wonder" whether the Shankesville woodland fires were "set" on or after the 12th. That's like.. 30 hours after the crash... because he was so convinced that some photo (taken on the 12th) was before the fires were "set". Pushing the entire timeline of the event back, and calling every photo taken on the 11th part of a psyops.. All of that... or just admit that your initial hypothesis that a particular photo was taken before the fire was wrong, and instead it was taken after the fire was out. That's upping the crazy ante.

[defaultdotxbe]

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS A HYPOTHETICAL AND DOES NOT REPRESENT MY ACTUAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT
[CT mindset]
If OBL remained a CIA asset after the ousting of the USSR from Afghanistan and ultimate was to become the patsy of the gov't's investigation of 9/11 (which was carried out by the gov't), then the girl's thesis may have uncovered this continued link.
[/CT mindset]
NOTE: THE PREVIOUS WAS A HYPOTHETICAL AND DOES NOT REPRESENT MY ACTUAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT
of course this flies in the face of the notion that bin laden denied involvement in 9/11, and the idea that the confession tape is fake

with CTers debunking themselves we may all be out of a job soon, as an organization run by jews the NWO knows when it doesnt need to spend money

[defaultdotxbe]

One time I thought I cornered Killtown.. but little did I know.. Killtown doesn't get cornered. Killtown is all-time greatest at what I refer to as "upping the crazy ante". That's essentially when faced with unassaible piece of evidence in direct contradiction to your hypothesis, you have effectively two choices, lose the conspiracy and come with us.... or magnify the conspiracy to immense and ludicrous proportions.

Can you guess which one Killtown will choose? If you are willing to go "deep" enough, you can explain anything.

One time I had Killtown actually starting to "wonder" whether the Shankesville woodland fires were "set" on or after the 12th. That's like.. 30 hours after the crash... because he was so convinced that some photo (taken on the 12th) was before the fires were "set". Pushing the entire timeline of the event back, and calling every photo taken on the 11th part of a psyops.. All of that... or just admit that your initial hypothesis that a particular photo was taken before the fire was wrong, and instead it was taken after the fire was out. That's upping the crazy ante.
or his theory that the sandia video of the f4 being crashed into the concrete wall (fromt he 1980s) is part of a long-term psyop to make peopel think planes can be destroyed by crashing

[Miragememories]

of course this flies in the face of the notion that bin laden denied involvement in 9/11, and the idea that the confession tape is fake

with CTers debunking themselves we may all be out of a job soon, as an organization run by jews the NWO knows when it doesnt need to spend money

LOL

You've yet to do the job your supposedly going to be "out of!"

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.

Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.

MM

[beachnut]

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS A HYPOTHETICAL AND DOES NOT REPRESENT MY ACTUAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT
[CT mindset]
If OBL remained a CIA asset after the ousting of the USSR from Afghanistan and ultimate was to become the patsy of the gov't's investigation of 9/11 (which was carried out by the gov't), then the girl's thesis may have uncovered this continued link.
[/CT mindset]
NOTE: THE PREVIOUS WAS A HYPOTHETICAL AND DOES NOT REPRESENT MY ACTUAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT

Unless her college libraries had a very special section with the super secret higher than top secret plans of the OBL/CIA/PNAC/NWO.

Sorry killtown, there is no such section; unless she traveled to see OBL, there is no possibility her senior paper/project was her reason to die.

Killtown is mentally defective or we missed his larger than life fiction sign/disclaimer.

[Arus808]

mm...that's all killclown does...smears people names all in the guise of "toof".

[Anti-sophist]

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.


That's a fair point. Smearing people and personal insults shouldn't really count as debunking. Ad hominem is ad hominem regardless of who I agree with. That's a relatively mature insight and I'm glad you said it...


Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.
Erm. But... You just... I thought...

[Miragememories]

mm...that's all killclown does...smears people names all in the guise of "toof".

Talk about the "pot calling the kettle black!"

Such hypocrisy.

MM

[beachnut]

LOL

You've yet to do the job your supposedly going to be "out of!"

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.

Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.

MM

Time for MM to offer a fact. Just one; or just one CT expert who has a fact!

Until you show up with a fact you are acting just like the nut cases in the cult of 9/11 liars with no truth. Are you too challenged to know the truth movement is made up of lies?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

LOL

You've yet to do the job your supposedly going to be "out of!"

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.

Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.

MM

Either provide objective evidence to support your claim that the people involved with this thread are both (1) drug users and (2) have no higher education than a high-school diploma, or retract that statement. If you do not do one of those two, your post will be reported for violation of the Membership Agreement.

[gopi]

LOL

You've yet to do the job your supposedly going to be "out of!"

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.

Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.

I'm not actually sure where you're from, but 'over here' I think you'll find most people consider 'you're on drugs' to be a smear.

I'd suggest you read some of the archives, where you'll find Killtown debunked quite often, by people with logical and reasonable arguments.

Please understand that not everybody here agrees on everything. The fact that some people, some times say nasty things does not change the fact that many people frequently point out flaws in the logic and physics and facts.

[uruk]

Unless her college libraries had a very special section with the super secret higher than top secret plans of the OBL/CIA/PNAC/NWO.

Sorry killtown, there is no such section; unless she traveled to see OBL, there is no possibility her senior paper/project was her reason to die.

Killtown is mentally defective or we missed his larger than life fiction sign/disclaimer.

I think this is the best argument that disproves Killtown's theory. Where the hell is a college student going to get or uncover top secret info?

[jaydeehess]

Talk about the "pot calling the kettle black!"

Such hypocrisy.

MM


Even though one person just alluded to it , it seems to have gone right over your head that you decried ad hom attacks in one sentence and then resorted to ad hom attack in the next, in your first post in this thread. Now you follow that up with the ironic accusation of hypocrisy.

Cute!

Please answer one question. Do you or do you not believe Killtown's many and varied conspiracies? If you wish just list the one(s) you do believe.

[jaydeehess]

or his theory that the sandia video of the f4 being crashed into the concrete wall (fromt he 1980s) is part of a long-term psyop to make peopel think planes can be destroyed by crashing

I was involved in that one until my ignominious ousting from LC.

Truly boggles my mind the extent that Killtown will go to in order to prop up a contention shown to be in error.

[Calcas]

One time I thought I cornered Killtown.. but little did I know.. Killtown doesn't get cornered. Killtown is all-time greatest at what I refer to as "upping the crazy ante". That's essentially when faced with unassaible piece of evidence in direct contradiction to your hypothesis, you have effectively two choices, lose the conspiracy and come with us.... or magnify the conspiracy to immense and ludicrous proportions.

Can you guess which one Killtown will choose? If you are willing to go "deep" enough, you can explain anything.

One time I had Killtown actually starting to "wonder" whether the Shankesville woodland fires were "set" on or after the 12th. That's like.. 30 hours after the crash... because he was so convinced that some photo (taken on the 12th) was before the fires were "set". Pushing the entire timeline of the event back, and calling every photo taken on the 11th part of a psyops.. All of that... or just admit that your initial hypothesis that a particular photo was taken before the fire was wrong, and instead it was taken after the fire was out. That's upping the crazy ante.

Wow, well put.

Killtown is a craxy MoFo but you put it exactly right. The guy is crazy like a...well, crazy person.

"Upping the crazy ante."

LOL.

[The Silver Shadow]

Killtown's always been an oddball, always will be. Dylan and his gang aren't going at the whole 9/11 thing scientifically. If he was scientific, then Killtown wouldn't label the government as responsible for 9/11 but would go over the evidence methodically, equally weighting each piece, and then coming to his conclusion, not by reading one page, ripping 3 out and saying it doesn't add up...

[Brainache]

I agree with those above. You can't corner Killtown. Let's put this in a Medieval context:

He is the Black Knight of truthiness. Lop off an arm, he'll say it's a flesh wound.
Chop off a leg he'll say "I've had worse".
Totally remove all his limbs leaving him exposed as the totally inept warrior that he is and he will yell as you leave: "Oh running away are you? Come back, I'll bite your legs off!!"

I still think he truly is too stupid to know when he has lost an argument.

[Ratatoskr]

I agree with those above. You can't corner Killtown. Let's put this in a Medieval context:

He is the Black Knight of truthiness. Lop off an arm, he'll say it's a flesh wound.
Chop off a leg he'll say "I've had worse".
Totally remove all his limbs leaving him exposed as the totally inept warrior that he is and he will yell as you leave: "Oh running away are you? Come back, I'll bite your legs off!!"

I still think he truly is too stupid to know when he has lost an argument.

I was about to complain of you comparing Killtlown with the great Monty Python, but then I realized that you're perfectly right.

Wonder how a debate group at school would be with KT as a member...

[JAStewart]

Killtown.

This guy is a joke, I don't see why we take him seriously.

Just look at the big thread about him, page 12. Look at the quote chippy found at LC - hilarious.

Also- Killtown: "Math isn't my strong point".

Thinking/Evidence/Truth/Unparanoia/Rationality/Respect isn't your strong point.

[HeyLeroy]

LOL

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.

Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/6197459e648b5e2bc.gif

[R.Mackey]

I think this is the best argument that disproves Killtown's theory. Where the hell is a college student going to get or uncover top secret info?
Oh, it's complete nonsense. You'd have to assume that this college student, writing an undergraduate thesis, had conducted better and more accurate research than journalists, professors, and public policy foundations.

And even if you assume this is true, then you have the fact that, if she was silenced, her works wouldn't stop there.

Consider this. Suppose someone develops the Infinite Improbability Drive and it misfires, leading Mr. Town to actually be right for a change, and the unfortunate young woman was killed for "exposing the Truth about Osama bin Laden," a Truth that the NWO can't let out in public.

Guess who's next?

That's right, her thesis advisor. If anyone knows what's in that paper, it would be him.

Furthermore, he'd be alerted to the "coincidence," and be likely to follow up on that paper. Plus he'd have the resources to expand on it, being a professor, not a mere undergraduate senior. And he'd have the University to publicize his findings.

If Mr. Town's delusions were accurate, her advisor would not be a suspect at all, but rather the next victim.

Much like how Alex Jones's continued breathing proves that his dreams of an NWO are pure fantasy, the fact that her advisor lived to be a suspect disproves Mr. Town's theory. His delusions are completely self-inconsistent.

And for Miragememories, who resorted quite early to smears (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2272914#post2272914) that he later (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2273008#post2273008) was forced (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2273187#post2273187) to retract (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2273219#post2273219), you'll note my logic above doesn't depend on any smears whatsoever. The only smearing going on would be the individual who is using hearsay to accuse another individual of murder, without the least bit of factual evidence. I assume you can figure out what I'm referring to here.

[Gravy]

On the packaging of the R. Mackey action figure, it will say in bold type, "Links Included!"

[R.Mackey]

I also come with my own bullhorn.

Seriously. Well, I don't carry it all the time, but for certain things I find them indispensible. I recommend the large Radio Shack model, 50 W Class B amplifier and 12" horn with remote microphone. It outperforms those carried by most patrol police officers.

[Belz...]

Consider this. Suppose someone develops the Infinite Improbability Drive and it misfires, leading Mr. Town to actually be right for a change,

According to people like Killtown, you folks at NASA should've completed work on that device long ago.

[CFLarsen]

Just thinking, his latest offering is about a girl who was killed because of sensitve information about Osama bin Laden and 911 in her thesis.

So by making this claim, is Killtown now countering his own claim that the US government did it.

Otherwise why would the girl be killed over an Osama/911 connection that couldn't possibly exist?.......If the government did it

What do you mean, "is" cornered? ;)

Killtown has been cornered from the day he turned Trooter. He is one of those people I would looooove to have at a TAM.

[HeyLeroy]

According to people like Killtown, you folks at NASA should've completed work on that device long ago.

Actually, according to people like Killtown, NASA has completed it, using extra-terrestrial technology no less. They're just keeping it sooper-seekrit 'til the NWO needs it.:D

R.Mackey, how can you participate in this deception? Why do you hate America?

[R.Mackey]

Because we can! Moohooohahahahahahaaaaaa

[uk_dave]

Dylan Avery:

Balls and tact are two entirely different things, Killtown, and it seems you lack the ability to distinguish between them.

I'm an inch from deleting this thread. Don't push your luck.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3043&st=0&#last

:dl:

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Because we can! Moohooohahahahahahaaaaaa

So, why don't y'all build some "Shut the Hell Up" Chemtrails to use on the woos of the world?

[R.Mackey]

Makes it much easier to sort out the loonies from the rest when they give themselves away, doesn't it?

[maccy]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3043&st=0&#last

:dl:

And that thread was originally about crazy Canadian Jeff calling her:

http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/val.wav

I'm about halfway through, and this is what Val has to say about Killtown:

Well, this person, he's an individual, anonymous, online, period. Never been out here, doesn't know, has no background, nothing. Doesn't have the nerve to contact me face to face, so he's just a coward.

[A W Smith]

Killclown seems to be under the false impression that the flyover was due to happen that day when in fact. Val says the camera was 2 feet from her front door a full three weeks in anticipation of a flyover. They met the family at a car show as she is a member of a Camaro club.

[Comsat Angel]

LOL

You've yet to do the job your supposedly going to be "out of!"

I never realized how many people here believed that all you needed to do to debunk a person was to smear them.

Time to lay off the drugs of maybe add some more education to that grade school diploma folks.

MM

What the blue flying flip are "drugs of maybe"?
This sounds like the hypodermic calling the Intravenous Drip a method of introducing drugs. Sheesh!
Also, I notice MM hasn't posted since Arkan called them out. Hmmm!

[Arus808]

His newest article:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/01/msnbc-live-vote-87-want-bush-impeached.html


Yes... go ahead and "skew" the results by asking people to vote to impeach..i bet you voted over 1000 times.

[boloboffin]

Killclown seems to be under the false impression that the flyover was due to happen that day when in fact. Val says the camera was 2 feet from her front door a full three weeks in anticipation of a flyover. They met the family at a car show as she is a member of a Camaro club.

In other words, she's a person like me. I get in the lane I'm going to exit from as quickly as possible, even ten miles away. If I order pizza, I put my wallet and my keys at the door right after hitting Submit, even though the pizza won't be there for forty minutes. It's just one less thing to worry about.

That picture, btw, looks exactly like someone pointed and clicked. The angle of the picture is not level at all - it gives me a little vertigo to look at it.

[MG1962]

I just listened to that phone call. I am curious, in Australia it is illegal to tape a phone conversation without the other parties prior consent. But I dont recall hearing that consent being given

Are such laws enpowered in the US?

[DarkMagician]

[snip]
If I order pizza, I put my wallet and my keys at the door right after hitting Submit
[snip]
How the heck are you ordering pizza?

[Arus808]

internet
http://www.pizzahut.com

try it...^_^ I always order online (internet coupons can be applied).
And sorry bout the plug of pizzahut.... in my early "career" days, being a delivery driver paid off my car and put me through college (boy did I earn a lot of tips)

[maccy]

I just listened to that phone call. I am curious, in Australia it is illegal to tape a phone conversation without the other parties prior consent. But I dont recall hearing that consent being given

Are such laws enpowered in the US?

There's some good discussion of this on another thread, starting here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2289551#post2289551

Basically, LashL is on the case:

Thanks, Arus. I'll definitely want the files when all is said and done. "Jeff" lives in northern Ontario, Canada. I'm a lawyer in southern Ontario, and I'll be interested in talking to his local Crown attorney about the cross-border issue re: surreptitiously taping a telephone call to Ms. McClatchey in PA.

I'm not sure if it's illegal for him to do so or not, given that the call presumably originated in Ontario, but I'm going to look into it.

This is the part that I have to look into, Arus. In Canada, the one party rule applies regarding taping telephone calls, and presumably the actual taping occurred in Ontario, so it may not be illegal for someone to tape a call here, no matter what jurisdiction the call is placed to. But I will find out very soon.

By the way, by "very soon" in this instance, I mean within a few days, not a few hours.

(Just in case you were wondering)

I've done quite a bit of cross-border litigation but not on the particular issue of the origin of telephone calls and which location has jurisdiction over them in this particular context (i.e. criminal rather than contractual, for instance), so I want to do some research, consult with colleagues, and come up with a comprehensive answer to the question of whether Jeff can be prosecuted here in Canada or whether the only judicial recourse for his actions are in PA courts. (If the latter, there are probably significant limitations to the practical application of the PA law despite the fact that PA courts would have jurisdiction over the offence). Anyway, I'll leave it at that for now, pending further research and consultation.

There's also another thread about the phone call here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=73415

The thread a Loose Change Forum about this is here:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3043

[JimBenArm]

In other words, she's a person like me. I get in the lane I'm going to exit from as quickly as possible, even ten miles away.


Yeah, that's what I'm like as well. Twoofers, on the other hand, are in the left-hand lane until 10 feet from the exit, and then cut across 3 lanes of traffic, causing a 14-car pileup.

The idea that someone would be prepared is a totally foreign concept to them. No one would ever do that in the real world, since I never do it!