New Documentary Released:The New Barbarians: Training Children to Kill

[billiefan2000]

http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/news/home.html

sez:

New Documentary Released
The New Barbarians: Training Children to Kill

Christian journalist and filmmaker Caryl Matrisciana, an internationally recognized expert on world religions and the mind-warping techniques of powerful cult leaders, has released a new video dealing with the dangerous realities of Muslim extremism.


This unique video reveals the terrifying result of a volatile combustion of religious ideology and political fervor as it today merges into a frightening influence over millions of young Muslims worldwide.

The production includes the talents of courageous French cameraman Pierre Rehov, who has been arrested by Palestinian Police in Bethlehem for his undercover filming.

For analysis of current events, remarks are also included from Pastor John Hagee of Cornerstone Church, San Antonio, TX and Author, Dave Hunt of Berean Call. The video is available at www.caryltv.com (http://www.caryltv.com)


there is even a review of the movie at:


http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2003/thenewbarbarians.html

This video answers several tough questions like:

1.Why are children being trained as human suicide bombs in Israel?

2.What is the Arab/Israeli conflict in the Middle East about?

3.What does Islam teach?

4.What is Jihad (Holy War) and why is it dangerous?

5.How does the presence of Islam in America affect the American way of life?

6.Why does Islam pose a problem for Christians and Jews?

7.What can we do about the growing threat of Islam worldwide?

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

This video answers several tough questions like:

1.Why are children being trained as human suicide bombs in Israel?

2.What is the Arab/Israeli conflict in the Middle East about?

3.What does Islam teach?

4.What is Jihad (Holy War) and why is it dangerous?

5.How does the presence of Islam in America affect the American way of life?

6.Why does Islam pose a problem for Christians and Jews?

7.What can we do about the growing threat of Islam worldwide?

What are then the answers to those questions?

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth


What are then the answers to those questions?

must all be rhetorical questions

[rustypouch]

So this film shows that some sects of Islam are horribly flawed. I thought we already knew that.

[Darwin]

"So this film shows that some sects of Islam are horribly flawed. I thought we already knew that."

What the fundamentalists of our dominant religion are after is,of course,to "expose" another "false" belief system.Carefully collecting points by picking on islam related conflict,is like picking delicious berries off a pie,those berries (data) that supports their supposedly superior position.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Christian journalist and filmmaker Caryl Matrisciana, an internationally recognized expert on world religions and the mind-warping techniques of powerful cult leaders, has released a new video dealing with the dangerous realities of Muslim extremism.


I wonder if this filmmaker ever exposes the "mind-warping" techniques that many Christian leaders use?
Funny how when other religions indoctrinate, they are "warping the mind", while Christian indoctrination is "teaching."

[billiefan2000]

You mean the Holy Spirit and GOD are somehow are quote "mind-warping".

[Lord Emsworth]

Billiefan2000,

why don't you just tell us about the answers to the questions?

[arcticpenguin]

What can we do about the growing threat of Christianity worldwide? Is that covered as well?

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
You mean the Holy Spirit and GOD are somehow are quote "mind-warping".

they themselves aren't, since there is no evidence that they exist. however, the idea of them as espoused by every christian i know is mind warping.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
You mean the Holy Spirit and GOD are somehow are quote "mind-warping".

Yep.

[Elind]

Here's a relevant piece from the WSJ recently. Just for interest.

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Where Hatred Trumps Bread
What does the Palestinian nation offer the world?

BY CYNTHIA OZICK
Monday, June 30, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT


And what rough beast, its hour come at last,
Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?

--W.B. Yeats
When, some years ago, Golda Meir contentiously remarked, "There are no Palestinians," she was historically correct and evolutionally mistaken. She was right because the people who had only recently begun to take on the name "Palestinian" were ethnically and civilizationally Arab, part of what the Arabs themselves were pleased to call, with the poetic resonance of indivisibility, "the Arab Nation." Palestine, moreover, had its origin as a term of malice, the Roman invaders' way of erasing Judea by naming it after the Philistines who warred against the Jews. And like the Palestinians today, who deny the ancient reality of the Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount, the emperor Hadrian also had the distinction of reassigning the history of Jerusalem; he dubbed it Aelia Capitolina, in honor of Jupiter.




Yet at the same time Golda Meir was mistaken: She declined to recognize a growing sectarianism rooted not merely in the bitterness of contemporary politics--the Arab war against the Jews--but far more comprehensively in a particularized and developing cultism. Whether the Palestinians nowadays constitute a cult or a sect or a nation within the greater Arab world is scarcely to the point. They have become a nation in their own eyes--and, with the blessings of the road map, internationally as well. Nevertheless it is not the determination of political borders that makes a nation; a nation is defined by its traits and usages, by its heroes and aspirations--in short, by its culture.
History, in Benedetto Croce's formulation, "is about the positive and not the negative." No one can refute the truth that the Palestinians have fashioned a culture peculiarly their own--but one so steeped in the negative as to have been turned into a kind of anti-history. In order to deprive Jews of their patrimony, Palestinians have fabricated a sectarian narrative alien to commonplace knowledge. Although the Arab invasion of Palestine did not occur until the 17th century, Palestinian Arabs are declared to be, according to activist Salah Jabr, "the descendants of civilizations that have lived in this land since the Stone Age." With equal absurdity, other such deniers of Jewish patrimony claim a Canaanite bloodline. By replacing history with fantasy, the Palestinians have invented a society unlike any other, where hatred trumps bread. They have reared children unlike any other children, removed from ordinary norms and behaviors. And they have been assisted in these deviations by Arab rulers who for half a century have purposefully and pitilessly caged and stigmatized them as refugees, down to the fourth generation. Refugeeism, abetted also by the United Nations, has itself been joined to the Palestinian cult of anti-history. A people respectful of history, including its own above all, will work to fructify and invigorate life; it will not debase and vitiate it.

The salient attribute of any culture is originality and its legacies. Genius, no matter how rare, is a human universal. It sends into the world new perception and new experience, inspiring duplication: Out of Israel came monotheism, out of Greece philosophy, out of Arab civilization science and poetry, out of England the Magna Carta, out of France the Enlightenment. What has been the genius of Palestinian originality, what has been the contribution of the evolving culture of Palestinian sectarianism? On the international scene: airplane hijackings and the murder of American diplomats in the 1970s, Olympic slaughterings and shipboard murders in the 1980s. And toward the Jews of the Holy Land, beginning in the 1920s and continuing until this morning, terror, terror, terror, terror.





But the most ingeniously barbarous Palestinian societal invention, surpassing any other in imaginative novelty, is the recruiting of children to blow themselves up with the aim of destroying as many Jews as possible in the most crowded sites accessible. These are not so much acts of anti-history as they are, remarkably, instances of anti-instinct. The drive to live is inherent: The very mite crawling on this sheet as I write hastens to flee the point of my pen. The child who has been taught to die and to kill from kindergarten on, via song and slogan in praise of bloodletting, represents an inconceivable cultural ideal. And it is a cultural grotesquerie that Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a pediatrician entrusted by his vocation with the healing of children, is in fact a major recruiter of young suicide bombers. (When his wife was asked by a neighbor why her husband did not outfit his own teenage son in a bomber's vest, the good doctor instantly sent the boy abroad.)
Confronted by this orgiastic deluge of fanaticism and death, there are some who would apply the term psychopathological. But it is metaphysics, not Freud, that is at stake: the life force traduced, cultism raised to a sinister spiritualism--not because the "martyrs" are said to earn paradise, but because extraordinary transformations of humane understanding are hounded into being. A Palestinian ethos of figment and fantasy has successfully infiltrated the West, particularly among intellectuals, who are always seduced by novelty. We live now with an anti-history wherein cause and effect are reversed, protection against attack is equated with the brutality of attack, existential issues are demoted or ignored--"cycle of violence" obfuscations all zealously embraced by the State Department and the European Union.

The Road Map permits no contradiction to the Palestinians' emerging nationhood. But if it is teachings and usages that characterize a nation, then what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches out of Bethlehem to be born?

Ms. Ozick, a novelist, is the author of "Quarrel & Quandary: Essays" (Knopf, 2000).

[the_ignored]

Speaking of indoctination and brainwashing, here's how the fundies on our side of the great pond do it:

http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/Misc%20Topics/brainwashing.htm

Elizabeth passed by her chance to be set free from this bizarre religion several times, because an emotional bond had been formed. "Young victims are often in awe of the power of the kidnappers. They try to strip away layer by layer her identity and her belief system... Emotional bondage can be stronger than chains." (#1). Her emotional bonding to the nutcase prophet "overwhelmed any impulse to escape." (#2) The article goes on to note "How could Elizabeth feel such warmth for her tormentors?" and goes on to quote Mark Zelig, a forensic psychologist:

If you're in a situation where someone threatens your life and you can tell they're deliberating and they decide not to kill you, you're very gracious, and you start to form this bond. (#2)Does that last sentence sound familiar?

Revivals

From about age six to maybe my mid-teen years, summertime used to always include going to "holy roller" crusades and tent revivals, and I don't mean "holy roller" in the figurative sense, either. [NOTE: This was before I joined "the TRUE church" (The Church of Christ, praise be to Alexander Campbell)] In these crusades, lasting sometimes up to two weeks long, with some crusades having services in the morning, afternoon, and late into the night, I would be subjected to day-after-day and late-night after late-night threats of hell fire roasting my bare flesh, threats of "if this were your last night alive...", threats of "Jesus could return before sunrise: are YOU ready?" and so forth. At the SAME time, hope was held out, for the angry god who had threatened to kill me could also be appeased into being my friend with a simple "I'm sorry Jesus". The level of stress would build up as the crusade wore on, and each evening would end with a very emotional appeal to an altar call, a chance to come to the front, kneel at the altar, and end the emotional stress by "giving your life to Jesus", thus placating the angry god (whose power we were in awe of), and who threatened to harm you, and resulting in my feeling much "warmth for my tormentor". This appeal would usually come late at night, after being stressed out by having my life threatened-again- and would always have as its background music the melodic strains of "Just As I Am" lulling all into an emotional trance-like state.

And some real interesting reading:
Christian School Brainwashing

Below is an actual untouched copy of a paper#3 I found left behind on a xerox machine at a Kinko's in Roland Heights, California, back in July of 1995. I had gone in to do some copying, and the person who used the machine before me had forgotten to take out their original. As I read the paper to pass the time as my own papers were being xeroxed, my anger began to rise. Here was the gameplan for some unknown Christian grade school, in which the teachers were plotting how to mess with the brains of little innocent kids, replacing their healthy self-esteem with heaping portions of Christian guilt. Read the paper for yourself now, and I'll continue below it.

http://www.jcnot4me.com/images/Christian%20School%20Brainwashing.gif
... They plan to infect these innocent happy eyed children with a fictitious disease called "sin", then turn around and offer the fictitious snake-oil cure: Jesus. They plan to depress and frighten all these kids with a month after month saturation of death and dying. Little kids, for whom death should be the last thing they think about, instead have it thrust in their face day after depressing day. And when they're at the point of emotional breakdown (as any healthy human mind would be after being subjected to such brainwashing drivel) the last two months of the school year are spent "harvesting". And remember, this harvest season is not just the final culmination of the past school year, but also the EIGHT YEARS prior leading up to this, as the paper says "we are reaping the harvest of the last eight years".

The harvest season consists of a daily emotional guilt-fest, where one teacher dishes out Christian crap while the other scans the audience to see which kid is on the point of an emotional breakdown. As Dick Stuphen writes, concerning early religious revival meetings: "By inducing guilt and acute apprehension and by increasing the tension, the "sinners" attending his revival meetings would break down and completely submit."(#4)


He has interesting links at the bottom of the page, for those who want to read more about brainwashing.

Here's one: http://www.dcd.net/NBP/persuasn.html

[Drifterman]

the_ignored originally posted:
Speaking of indoctination and brainwashing, here's how the fundies on our side of the great pond do it

Which side of the pond is that?

This kind of emotional rape makes me so :mad: ANGRY!! :mad:

Reminds me of the poor Jesus Army kids who lived near my secondary school in Northants.

[Nucular]

Originally posted by Drifterman
Reminds me of the poor Jesus Army kids who lived near my secondary school in Northants. Oh I'm from Northants - whereabouts didja live?

I went to the Jesus Army annual shindig once. It was breathtakingly weird. Speaking in tongues, my first real contact with fundamentalism... it was cool! I was a teenager, my friend was doing an a-level project on NRMs, so we went along. Noel Stanton (the Beloved Leader) wouldn't talk to us, I think because I'd been a bit too challenging to the guy that was showing us around.

Scary. I half-expected to be set upon and brainwashed, but they were actually not too forward in that way.

[Drifterman]

Nucular originally posted:
Oh I'm from Northants - whereabouts didja live?

I lived in Harpole from 1987 to 1994, age 11 to 18. I went to Campion school in Bugbrooke. My mother used to teach at Weedon Bec County Junior School and had some of the poor Jesus Army kids in her class. The poor things were forbidden to get presents at Christmas. Or even talk about Christmas. Or be happy.

[Frostbite]

I smell cheese.

[Nucular]

Originally posted by Drifterman


I lived in Harpole from 1987 to 1994, age 11 to 18. I went to Campion school in Bugbrooke. My mother used to teach at Weedon Bec County Junior School and had some of the poor Jesus Army kids in her class. The poor things were forbidden to get presents at Christmas. Or even talk about Christmas. Or be happy. I'm from Kettering - I've managed somehow never to set foot in Bugbrooke though. Is that where the Jesus Army HQ is? I know it's round here somewhere - I'm strangely proud to have a local cult. They've got a few houses around near where I live, and sometimes they're in the town centre. I saw them advertising foot washing in town once! Lovely.I smell cheese.Quite.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
This video answers several tough questions like:


I haven't seen the video, and never will, but I'm sure they answered these questions incorrectly. Here are the correct answers:

Originally posted by billiefan2000

1.Why are children being trained as human suicide bombs in Israel?


Because their parents are stupid. Just like fundamentalist christian parents who teach their children to bomb health clinics.

Originally posted by billiefan2000

2.What is the Arab/Israeli conflict in the Middle East about?


My god is better than you god. The funny thing is, both sides are wrong. There is no god. So, if we are lucky, they will anihilate each other.

Originally posted by billiefan2000

3.What does Islam teach?


Stupidity. Just like christianity.

Originally posted by billiefan2000

4.What is Jihad (Holy War) and why is it dangerous?


Same as the christian crusades, only 700 years later.

Originally posted by billiefan2000

5.How does the presence of Islam in America affect the American way of life?


It decreases the level of intelligence. Just like the existence of christianity in America.

Originally posted by billiefan2000

6.Why does Islam pose a problem for Christians and Jews?


In the same way christianity poses a problem for muslims.

Originally posted by billiefan2000

7.What can we do about the growing threat of Islam worldwide?


Kill yourself. Then you won't have to worry about it.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
You mean the Holy Spirit and GOD are somehow are quote "mind-warping".

They would be if they existed.