David Lynch *sigh*

[Panoply_Prefect]

*Sigh* I used to love his work - Twin Peaks for me is, together with perhaps Nirvana, the essence of early -90's. And now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdFNIAgVW1U&eurl=

I mean, I can digest Charlie Sheen, but Lynch? Why would such a creative free-thinking artist fall into the trap of standard conspiracyt heory? He doesn't even promote an original approach (which I could have appreciated).

/SLOB

[Yurebiz]

He never really directly said it was an inside job though. He only doubts the official account. At least thats what I heard about him.
But anyway, CTists hold no face, no religion, no race, etc. IT might come to everyone and anyone, and no one knows who and when except God. The only fact it's that it always comes in the form of black t-shirts and free-handed DVDs.

[HyJinX]

<snip>The only fact it's that it always comes in the form of black t-shirts and free-handed DVDs.


Sounds a bit "Cult-ish", wouldn't ya say?

[CptColumbo]

*Sigh* I used to love his work - Twin Peaks for me is, together with perhaps Nirvana, the essence of early -90's. And now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdFNIAgVW1U&eurl=

I mean, I can digest Charlie Sheen, but Lynch? Why would such a creative free-thinking artist fall into the trap of standard conspiracyt heory? He doesn't even promote an original approach (which I could have appreciated).

/SLOB

IMO he's hit and miss. I loved "Twin Peaks," but hated the prequel movie.

As I wrote before, their happy to have Lynch on their side. He created a character (Dale Cooper) who's chief method of investigation is throwing rocks at bottles.

[Panoply_Prefect]

He never really directly said it was an inside job though. He only doubts the official account. At least thats what I heard about him.


If you watch the clip, he's just regurgitate the standard ct elements. So, I would say he doesnt just doubt the official account - he also very much embraces the common themes of the truthmovement.

Cheers,
S

[gumboot]

Is anyone really surprised? I'm always hearing of musicians and filmmakers and writers and other artists expressing opinions that I totally disagree with.

Many of the people I most admire I couldn't stand being in the same room with.

-Gumboot

[El Greco]

Why would such a creative free-thinking artist fall into the trap of standard conspiracyt heory?

That's what happens when you mistake "disturbed" for "creative free-thinking" :D That makes me glad I never liked him anyway!

[Panoply_Prefect]

That's what happens when you mistake "disturbed" for "creative free-thinking" :D That makes me glad I never liked him anyway!

In that case, I wonder what David Cronenberg thinks :eye-poppi

Cheers,
SLOB

[brodski]

Well, I'm not surprised, most 9/11 CTs feel like David Lynch plot anyway, both are overly complex, feel like they've been dreamt up by someone in a chemically enhanced state, you get the distinct feeling that the author thinks that he's being terribly cleaver, and ultimately neither make one bit of sense.

[Firestone]

It is interesting, though, that when David Lynch appeared on Alex Jones program last week (the "Bigger than Sheen" surprise :)), he did significantly tone down from what he said before.

Iconoclastic film director David Lynch has publicly questioned the official story of 9/11 on national U.S. radio, joining the Alex Jones Show to reiterate views that he first raised on Dutch television in December.

Lynch has directed a host of popular movies and television favorites, including Eraserhead, Dune, The Elephant Man and Mulholland Drive . He was also the creative force behind the Twin Peaks television series in the 80s. Lynch is currently enjoying rave reviews for his latest release Inland Empire .

When asked about his controversial and courageous comments during the Dutch TV piece which can be viewed below, Lynch stated, "I knew they were gonna bring it up and you saw what I said, we are all light detectives, human beings are all light detectives - we look at our world and we keep looking at it and we get these feelings that there's more going on than meets the eye."

"As far as 9/11 goes there's things we saw that conjure questions and wondering and something doesn't seem quite right so it makes us wonder and the next step is we need answers," said Lynch.

Lynch noted that there were numerous inconsistencies in the official story in stating, "There's questions arising from each of the events of that day and I don't have the answers."

"When you see that does it make you wonder about things, does it seem that what we were told actually happened - it just makes me wonder - I see things that don't add up, I have questions," said the director.

Lynch characterized 9/11 as just a surface problem, a symptom of a deeper fault the solution of which lies within us all.

"The ocean of solutions is within," said Lynch, "enliven that."

"It's a world of clues, a world of mystery but the mystery can get solved, you can find a lot of answers for these things within." (Source: Infowars (http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/lynch_questions_911_national_radio.htm))

Of course the Infowars article goes on with quoting Lynch's statement to the VPRO, but Jones apparently didn't get Lynch to repeat the usual claims on his program.

[PerryLogan]

There's every chance he'll change his mind. I've seen lots of people get interested in the 9/11 "inside job" theory, but people of normal intelligence soon see the idiocy of it and give up.

Still--it would be damned interesting if someone this talented made a movie about 9/11. Dennis Hopper could play Cheney.

[jon]

Lynch appears to have swallowed a lot of woo about transcendental meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch#Transcendental_meditation), too. I wonder if we'll see some kind of synergy - bastardised 'quantum physics' used to link the fall of the WTC to a universal Mind :D

Some good films, though :D

[maccy]

Lynch appears to have swallowed a lot of woo about transcendental meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch#Transcendental_meditation), too. I wonder if we'll see some kind of synergy - bastardised 'quantum physics' used to link the fall of the WTC to a universal Mind :D

Some good films, though :D

There's an interesting 9/11 blog entry (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=36255859&blogID=166950306&MyToken=32b13af8-256a-4faa-afd3-54bbefecabe5) on the David Lynch Foundation Myspace. Basically, it implies that if there'd been enough TMing going then 9/11 wouldn't have happened. So we all need to sign up for $2500 courses to stop it from happening again.

I can quite see Lynch regarding 9/11 as the manifestation of a dark spirit in the human psyche (for reference, see Twin Peaks and most of his films). I don't think he sees much difference between it manifesting via parts of the government or Islamist terrorists - to him it's all a symptom of a more general malaise that we need to meditate away from. Hence, from the Prison Planet article that Firestone quotes, above:

Lynch characterized 9/11 as just a surface problem, a symptom of a deeper fault the solution of which lies within us all.

"The ocean of solutions is within," said Lynch, "enliven that."

"It's a world of clues, a world of mystery but the mystery can get solved, you can find a lot of answers for these things within."
It's pretty obvious that Lynch is using Alex Jones' show to push his TM foundation. I expect him to remain extremely vague about 9/11 and not to endorse any particular theories.

[pagan]

*Sigh* I used to love his work - Twin Peaks for me is, together with perhaps Nirvana, the essence of early -90's. And now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdFNIAgVW1U&eurl=

I mean, I can digest Charlie Sheen, but Lynch? Why would such a creative free-thinking artist fall into the trap of standard conspiracyt heory? He doesn't even promote an original approach (which I could have appreciated).

/SLOB


Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)

[beachnut]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)

I did not know they were so dumb. Now I do! That is what I think!

You are a side of lies; the lynch mob without guts; the guys in college who flunked out first quarter; real dumb actors who can not read but lines; 0.00067 engineers of the United States; a few crackpot pilots; and few mindless followers like yourself who do not have facts. Prove me wrong with some facts.

[Panoply_Prefect]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)

Who?

[pagan]

Who?

Oh, don't worry. The Americans know who they are.:cool:

[EvilBiker]

0.00067 engineers of the United States;

Um, there'd better be more engineers than that, else I will take over your world and dominate your women!

Oh, wait, you mean on their side...

Ahahaha. My mistake.

[HyJinX]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)

I think all of their careers are in the toilet and they've been spending all their free time cruising the net instead of pushing their agents to get them new gigs.

I pretty sure they'd turn pale if they were asked a structural engineering questions.

Having 3rd rate celebs doesn't validate your theory or make up for your lack of evidence. All it does is show the world that you don't need to be smart to be in show biz. Take Dylan Avery for example.

[Architect]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)


And yet strangely no sign of more than a couple of engineers and architects, those pesky professionals trained in fields relevant to the collapse. Bit peculiar that, eh? :rolleyes:

[beachnut]

Oh, don't worry. The Americans know who they are.:cool:

Slob is right! Who? Does not matter if you are American or not; these guys' characters are smarter than the actor! Actors; you CTers should find some facts first. Not one fact between how many CTers?

[beachnut]

I thought Dylan was the smartest fake CTer around. Taking a simple minded fictional movie into a CT bible and a broke kid's money cow!

I could be wrong Dylan may not be a smart fraud. Dylan could be the leader of all dolts; the top dolt for 9/11!

Which could it be? (at least he has company no matter which he is; Lynch appears just dumb)

[The Demon's Head]

I could care less which celebrity, whether a prominent one or an unknown, concurs with these conspiracy theories.

A celebrity concuring with the Deniers' theories does not change the fact that the Deniers only have theories and no proof.

[Peephole]

Ed Begley.
Ooh another one for my list.

David Lynch, film director
Richard Linklater, film director
Charlie Sheen, actor
Woody Harrelson, actor
Ed Asner, actor
Ed Begley Jr, actor
James Brolin, actor and Streisand's bitch
Matthew Bellamy, Muse frontman
Tom DeLonge, Blink 182 frontman
Jesse Ventura, former wrestler and Minnesota governor

Once it hits twenty, we send out the choppers.

[Drudgewire]

As pointed out already, anyone who thought David Lynch had so much as a toenail grounded in reality has never seen any of his movies.

[A W Smith]

Celebrities do not equal credibility. They are not engineers. They are not architects, They are not builders. They are not scientists. They have built nothing. have designed nothing, have invented nothing, I could care less who they are. in fact had it not been pointed out in this forum who David Lynch is I would never had known or even cared. Thats how much they impress me.

[Alareth]

My idols are all being shattered, next thing you'll tell me I can't believe everything Michael Moore says.


What? Why are you all staring at me?


It's True!™ :)

[DavidJames]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)I feel like making myself laugh.

How about evidence.

[Architect]

Whenever I hear this kind of heckling from celebs or other non-professionals, I am minded of Billy Connolly once shouting back "Dinnae tell me how to do my job.....Ah dinnae come here after closin' time and tell you how tae sweep up".

[aggle-rithm]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)

I think as experts in world affairs, they make fine actors.

[aggle-rithm]

IMO he's hit and miss. I loved "Twin Peaks," but hated the prequel movie.


Don't get me started on his butchering of "Dune"...

[Cylinder]

Ooh another one for my list.

David Lynch, film director
Richard Linklater, film director
Charlie Sheen, actor
Woody Harrelson, actor
Ed Asner, actor
Ed Begley Jr, actor
James Brolin, actor and Streisand's bitch
Matthew Bellamy, Muse frontman
Tom DeLonge, Blink 182 frontman
Jesse Ventura, former wrestler and Minnesota governor

Once it hits twenty, we send out the choppers.

Fictionists for Truth?

[Panoply_Prefect]

Yet none of said celebrities seem to even make the slightest effort to actually do anything more than what Lynch does; recaping the same very superficial claims without any even remote hint of actually putting some real work into it or even the smallest shred of evidence to support it.

Oh well, I guess it shows they are but human too.

/SLOB

[The Silver Shadow]

I didn't know who David Lynch was until I heard that he's skeptical of the official story. Just shows how much I'm in tune with current gossip and celebrities...

[brodski]

I didn't know who David Lynch was until I heard that he's skeptical of the official story. Just shows how much I'm in tune with current gossip and celebrities...

I don't think that Lynch has been "current" since about 2001 anyway.

[mrfreeze]

Current celebrity? The last movie I know of him making that anyone cared about was "Mulholland Drive" and that was in 2001.

[Pardalis]

I'm still going to see Inland Empire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hFEDYmMcM), I think he's a one of a kind filmmaker and always very interesting.

[JimBenArm]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

and a few others.:)
Oh, yes, this is so impressive! Qualified scientists and engineers all!

What's that?

Oh, yeah, they're actors. All they are qualified to do is parrot lines written for them.

Unfortunately, this is probably the best you do have to offer. Sad to believe you actually think this impresses somebody.

In other words, big hairy deal!

[boloboffin]

Ahem. Mr. BenArm, I've been an actor for the last fifteen years. So with great respect, go [rule8] yourself with the implement of your choice. ;)

[Lyte Trip]

I'm still going to see Inland Empire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hFEDYmMcM), I think he's a one of a kind filmmaker and always very interesting.

You definitely should.

The girl who reads all of the quotes in our film also had a role in Inland Empire.

Kat Turner


http://myspace-359.vo.llnwd.net/01169/95/37/1169067359_l.jpg
http://myspace-416.vo.llnwd.net/01169/61/48/1169068416_l.jpg

With one of her co-stars, Jeremy Irons:
http://myspace-410.vo.llnwd.net/01243/01/49/1243759410_l.jpg

[Pardalis]

It's a shame thought that some people can't seperate fact from fiction, movies from reality. They can be both very interesting in their own way.

[T.A.M.]

That actors and filmmakers are so easily conned to the dark side should not surprise anyone...

Who would you think more likely to be a CTer?

1.
A. Juliette Lewis
B. Your Accountant

2.
A. Whoopie Goldberg
B. Your Doctor

3.
A. David Cronenberg
B. Your Governor

4.
A. Tom Cruise
B. Your Highschool Math Teacher


See...if you are being honest, most of you would pick A in all of the above, or atleast most of them...

TAM:)

[JimBenArm]

Ahem. Mr. BenArm, I've been an actor for the last fifteen years. So with great respect, go [rule8] yourself with the implement of your choice. ;)

Ouch, that hurts! Can I stop now?

[boloboffin]

Ouch, that hurts! Can I stop now?

All right. Actually, I should be ashamed of myself. I have worked with actors on a daily basis. By and large, the profession rewards the prettiest of people who can learn to say and stand what and where they're told, and they are surrounded by the slightly less pretty who are even more eager to speak and stand what and where they are told. The number of Hollywood actors who have skipped high school (let alone college) is legion.

But some of us have cracked a book. :)

[JimBenArm]

All right. Actually, I should be ashamed of myself. I have worked with actors on a daily basis. By and large, the profession rewards the prettiest of people who can learn to say and stand what and where they're told, and they are surrounded by the slightly less pretty who are even more eager to speak and stand what and where they are told. The number of Hollywood actors who have skipped high school (let alone college) is legion.

But some of us have cracked a book. :)

Well, I wasn't trying to smear actors with that comment, anyway. My wife is a drama major, and my twin daughters are actors/singers, (yes, I live in a house full of drama queens, thank you!) and they aren't loony toons. But as far as lending credibility to their arguments, I think they're pretty heavy on the Hollywood side and very, very light on the science/engineering side. Not the best way to promote a serious scientific argument!

I can hear it now; "I'm not a scientist, but I played one on TV! So believe me when I tell you 9/11 was an inside job!"

[T.A.M.]

I guess I am in for a big punch in the gut with my little post above then...lol..

ok, well my brother is a starving filmmaker, so I am allowed...Sibling Law 4B.

TAM:)

[Bull13]

go rule8 urself. Got to remeber that one. Anyone who listnes to anything an actor has to say is in trouble. When in college the only ones dumber then students in the drama classes where the ones in journalism classes. As always think for yourself. You will be much happier. Go Bears. Final score this sunday Bears 23-Colts 17.

[HyJinX]

go rule8 urself. Got to remeber that one. Anyone who listnes to anything an actor has to say is in trouble. When in college the only ones dumber then students in the drama classes where the ones in journalism classes. As always think for yourself. You will be much happier. Go Bears. Final score this sunday Bears 23-Colts 17.


No way...colts 24-Bears 21.

I'm a Packer fan...I gotta rule against Da Bears.

[The Silver Shadow]

All right. Actually, I should be ashamed of myself. I have worked with actors on a daily basis. By and large, the profession rewards the prettiest of people who can learn to say and stand what and where they're told, and they are surrounded by the slightly less pretty who are even more eager to speak and stand what and where they are told. The number of Hollywood actors who have skipped high school (let alone college) is legion.

But some of us have cracked a book. :)
I did three productions in high school. I played a major role in two, and was the understudy in the third, which got me promoted to the starring role when the actor who was supposed to play my part mysteriously disappeared...

[gumboot]

Celebrities do not equal credibility. They are not engineers. They are not architects, They are not builders. They are not scientists. They have built nothing. have designed nothing, have invented nothing, I could care less who they are. in fact had it not been pointed out in this forum who David Lynch is I would never had known or even cared. Thats how much they impress me.


Just to point out some of these people are not "celebrities". They are filmmakers, and some of them are highly respected and successful artists and storytellers. It just happens that this has made them famous. Certainly their area of expertise is entirely irrelevant to the topic of 9/11, but they shouldn't be lumped in with the likes of Paris Hilton and the other "famous for being famous" sorts.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

go rule8 urself. Got to remeber that one. Anyone who listnes to anything an actor has to say is in trouble. When in college the only ones dumber then students in the drama classes where the ones in journalism classes. As always think for yourself. You will be much happier. Go Bears. Final score this sunday Bears 23-Colts 17.


I studied drama at high school, was the lead in my final year play, was an honour student with a scholarship bursary, have a degree, know how to fix my own car, and I'd like to think my efforts here demonstrate I have a grasp of technical things.

Another student in my drama classes at school was the Dux in my final year, and was head boy. Another drama classmate and friend is now a forensic technician.

Stereotypes don't help anyone.

-Gumboot

[JimBenArm]

I studied drama at high school, was the lead in my final year play, was an honour student with a scholarship bursary, have a degree, know how to fix my own car, and I'd like to think my efforts here demonstrate I have a grasp of technical things.

Another student in my drama classes at school was the Dux in my final year, and was head boy. Another drama classmate and friend is now a forensic technician.

Stereotypes don't help anyone.

-Gumboot
They help the twoofers!

[JonnyFive]

Yep, he seems to be on our side. Don't like it?

What do you think about?

Ed Begley.
Ed Asner.
James Brolin.

I think you need to get a better list of people on "your side" if you want to convince anyone of your lies.

[A W Smith]

Oh my god,. Whats with all of that scar tissue on her right shoulder?
http://myspace-410.vo.llnwd.net/01243/01/49/1243759410_l.jpg

Oh I see she smokes also. Thats two strikes against her. Whoever she is.

EDT, Oh she reads quotes in your work of fiction also? sorry thats three strikes. she should be taken outside the "badabing' and beaten by Ralphie.

[uk_dave]

Jeremy Irons IS the devil!! :yikes:

And easily distracted so it would seem

[aggle-rithm]

Jeremy Irons IS the devil!! :yikes:

And easily distracted so it would seem

And he looks like hell. Father Time is apparently not his friend.

[Pardalis]

Come one guys, these people don't deserve these comments.

[aggle-rithm]

Just to point out some of these people are not "celebrities". They are filmmakers, and some of them are highly respected and successful artists and storytellers. It just happens that this has made them famous. Certainly their area of expertise is entirely irrelevant to the topic of 9/11, but they shouldn't be lumped in with the likes of Paris Hilton and the other "famous for being famous" sorts.

-Gumboot

Some of the things I've seen on the Biography channel on celebrities are pretty eye-opening. In most cases, famous actors didn't just luck into their fame, they had to form a strategy and work hard at making it happen. I was especially blown away by the biographies of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sonny Bono. These guys aren't nearly as dumb as they're made out to be.

[aggle-rithm]

Come one guys, these people don't deserve these comments.

Just commenting on my own inevitable decline...all the celebrities I remember as young and vital are now playing senior citizens in movies and TV.

Sigh.