Shop the Loose Change Store

[parky76]

check out the "for sale" section at Loose Change.

if the ultimate goal of these people wasn't clear before..it sure is now.

http://lc911.com/lc911/catalog/

[The Doc]

"The Beats Of Loose Change" is clearly an attempt to spread the truth and has nothing to do with making profit from the deaths of the innocent :rolleyes:

[Oliver]

I really like the Beats, did someone upload them somewhere? :)

[Brainache]

I think they are missing out on a revenue bonanza by not selling LC Lunch-boxes and pencil cases. Maybe a few ring binders(trapper-keepers I believe you guys call them) and school bags.

[kookbreaker]

I'm guessing the white hoody is the least popular article of clothing in the store.

(seriously, have truthers ever worn white in a rally?)

[DarkMagician]

"Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on spindle (50 Pack)

These are fully functional DVDs, provided to you at near cost for the purpose of handing out to people or copying for friends.


Price: $175.00"

"Near cost" my foot. I can get blank DVD's and a marker for much, much less than $175.

Heck, Amazon's got DVD's for barely $30. (http://www.amazon.com/Memorex-DVD%2BR-4-7GB-Pack-Spindle/dp/B0007PGADE/sr=8-3/qid=1170132206/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-1875763-6188737?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)

[Brainache]

I'm guessing the white hoody is the least popular article of clothing in the store.

(seriously, have truthers ever worn white in a rally?)

Well they have to stock something for the Truthchicks.

[The Silver Shadow]

"Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on spindle (50 Pack)

These are fully functional DVDs, provided to you at near cost for the purpose of handing out to people or copying for friends.


Price: $175.00"

"Near cost" my foot. I can get blank DVD's and a marker for much, much less than $175.

Heck, Amazon's got DVD's for barely $30. (http://www.amazon.com/Memorex-DVD%2BR-4-7GB-Pack-Spindle/dp/B0007PGADE/sr=8-3/qid=1170132206/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-1875763-6188737?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)
Got to milk that cow somehow. After that, it'll be Dylan asking if I'd like fries with that :D

[Unfit4Command]

"The Beats Of Loose Change" is clearly an attempt to spread the truth and has nothing to do with making profit from the deaths of the innocent :rolleyes:

It unlocks peoples inner truthness by listening to it.

[Ducky]

So how much goes to victim's families?

How much goes to Dylan's beer fund?

Scum.

[MarkyX]

Why didn't anyone slap the **** out of this kid on Ground Zero?

[The Doc]

So how much goes to victim's families?

How much goes to Dylan's beer fund?

Scum.

Is Dylan old enough to drink?

Oh! Snap!

[Alareth]

What? No Loose Change Monopoly or jigsaw puzzles?

Loose Change for Xbox 360 and PS3, dodge the disinfo agents while getting to the bottom of the truth in this exciting first person shooter with amazing high definition graphics!

[Bobert]

Why didn't anyone slap the **** out of this kid on Ground Zero?

Well remember the losers did mention during the vanity video that the snipers were watching them.
I mean reallly they could have called it "accidental"

[ConspiRaider]

I was looking for the matching set of Hardfire debates 1 and 2, did anyone see those?

[bob_kark]

People have always called Dylan Avery a douche bag and now you can show your support of the Trooth movement with your very own Dylan Avery Douche bag! Each bag comes with the likeness of Dylan Avery smearing excrement on the faces of the victims of the 9/11 tragedies. If you order now, you also receive the official Korey Rowe colostomy bag and the Jason Bermas taint hair trimmer absolutely free. This $2.50 value can be yours for only $159.99!!

[Coritani]

Oh, I just have to have the official music of the Truth!

After all, what's truth without good music to go with it?

[R.Mackey]

What, no bullhorns?

I'm almost serious about that. When I was a kid, and protests were cool, most adults I knew under 35 had a "protest kit" all ready to go, right next to their earthquake supplies. A standard kit looked like this:

Half gallon bottled water
Granola bars
Blanket (million and one uses)
Flashlight (doubles as defensive baton)
Hard hat and shop goggles (or motorcycle helmet)
Bandages, iodine, and aspirin
HEPA filter (poor-man's gas mask)
Spray paint / large permanent markers / chalk
Musical instruments
Waterproof folder for pamplets
Camera and decoy film canisters (this is before cheap video cameras)
5 gallon bucket (by far the most useful -- carry your gear in it to the sit-in, sit on it when you get there)

Do we see any of that these days? Heck, no. Now it's all marketing. Social justice takes a back seat to selling T-shirts and DVDs.

Man, kids these days. Protesting is supposed to be a healthy exercise! Meet other people, speak your mind, work for change. Learn how the world works. Expand your horizons. That way, you don't get taken in so easily by the scams and lies out there, like the Troothers have.

[Foolmewunz]

I'm guessing the white hoody is the least popular article of clothing in the store.

(seriously, have truthers ever worn white in a rally?)

IIRC, we've had a number of threads about the element in LC who may have developed a fondness for certain kinds of hooded white garments. :spjimlad: :spjimlad: :spjimlad:

[JAStewart]

They're selling the DVD for $17.95.

Thats outragous.

[Brainache]

I think they need the Alex Jones Home Enema kit. For a REAL Truth Movement. Turns anyone's bowels into an amazing likeness of the man himself.

Sorry about that, I blame tubgirl.

[Foolmewunz]

They're selling the DVD for $17.95.

Thats outragous.

Or the "bare bones" at $9.95, which they again try to huckster you on with the same line about it being "near cost"!
Over here we get blank DVD's with our logo printed on them for about a buck a piece. How much labor does it take to burn a copy? But they're claimin 9.95 is "near cost"! And the difference between the "bare bones" version and the boxed one of $8.00? Why it's the box and a photo on the cover! Yeah, eight bucks worth of packaging?
They're such philanthropists.

And I'm sure we'll see an accounting soon of how much from the store is going to the victims. Do-Over has only got about two million to come up with, I believe.

[Shrinker]

It's powered by these people http://mrwconnected.com/

"Social entrepreneurs". Ghastly profiteering wrapped up in eco-feel-good buzzwords with a faintly anti-capitalist aroma. I don't suppose they sell irony meters.

[Mancman]

What? No Loose Change Monopoly or jigsaw puzzles?

Loose Change for Xbox 360 and PS3, dodge the disinfo agents while getting to the bottom of the truth in this exciting first person shooter with amazing high definition graphics!

The final boss is a likeness of Gravy that shoots facts. And fireballs.

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, really nasty, these people selling stuff to support their cause, and it never stops, just lookey here:

http://www.randi.org/shopping/index.html

....

:eye-poppi :jaw-dropp



:boxedin:



Hans ;)

[The Doc]

Yeah, really nasty, these people selling stuff to support their cause, and it never stops, just lookey here:

http://www.randi.org/shopping/index.html

....

:eye-poppi :jaw-dropp



:boxedin:



Hans ;)

But what it comes down to is the simple fact that Randi isn't doing it by exploiting the fallen and accusing the innocent ;)

[MG1962]

Yeah I think they are missing some oppotunities here

Loose change demolition pack (empty of course)

Loose change soda with special "Pull it" Ring

They could stimulate sales by offering a competition - First prize, a date with killtown. Second prize two free dates with killtown

[brodski]

But what it comes down to is the simple fact that Randi isn't doing it by exploiting the fallen and accusing the innocent ;)

That depends on your point of view- many JREF supporters are atheists (by definition "the fallen"), and may people think that $ylvia Browne and Uri Geller are "innocent" :P

the real difference is that the JREF is run not for prophet, whereas LTW is all about the bottom line, oh and Randi is right and Avery and co are disgusting parasites.

[Graham2001]

It's powered by these people http://mrwconnected.com/

"Social entrepreneurs". Ghastly profiteering wrapped up in eco-feel-good buzzwords with a faintly anti-capitalist aroma. I don't suppose they sell irony meters.

Probably not... back in the seventies these people were called 'breadheads', they made a lot of money promoting 'alternative' rock concerts, Woodstock, Sunbury, et al...

[Graham2001]

Do we see any of that these days? Heck, no. Now it's all marketing. Social justice takes a back seat to selling T-shirts and DVDs.

Somewhere I have a late 1960's Analog magazine with a letter claiming that the 'networks' supplied protesters with banners, slogans and if I remember correctly fake blood as well (I could be wrong on this, when I get home I'll double check.), so the idea of marketing the revolution goes back a lot further than current events.

[ref]

These guys are still missing many opportunities to make money. Their stuff is nothing compared to our Eurovision Song Contest -winners here in Finland, the monster rock band Lordi.

Lordi products etc. so far:

- Lordi square in their hometown
- Lordi comic book
- Official Lordi book
- Lordi Restaurant
- Lordi Cola
- Lordi notes book
- Lordi Credit Card
- Lordi pictures in stamps, postcards, telegrams and packages

That to go with the usual T-shirts, chains, records, DVD's, caps... Jeez.

Imagine going to a LC restaurant in LC square, wearing LC T-shirt, chain and a LC cap. You could order LC cola while reading LC comic book, your bookmark would be a LC postcard with a LC stamp on it. The restaurant would be playing LC soundtrack and the TV showing LC 2nd edition. And you could pay your visit with LC credit card. Nightmare?

[Indolent Wretch]

the real difference is that the JREF is run not for prophet, whereas LTW is all about the bottom line, oh and Randi is right and Avery and co are disgusting parasites

Sorry to unspoiler your spoiler but that, if not deliberate, is a wonderfully ironic misspelling.

[Brainache]

the JREF is run not for prophet,

Thanks for that Brodski. Not sure if it was a typo, but it gave me a chuckle.

[brettDbass]

So how much goes to victim's families?

How much goes to Dylan's beer fund?

Scum.

Why all the fuss?
He'll send a free DVD to any victim directly affected by 9/11.
As long as you send him proof, you know, evidence of who you are and how you were affected.
http://loosechange911.com/victims.htm

:mad:

[maccy]

"Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on spindle (50 Pack)

These are fully functional DVDs, provided to you at near cost for the purpose of handing out to people or copying for friends.


Price: $175.00"

"Near cost" my foot. I can get blank DVD's and a marker for much, much less than $175.

Heck, Amazon's got DVD's for barely $30. (http://www.amazon.com/Memorex-DVD%2BR-4-7GB-Pack-Spindle/dp/B0007PGADE/sr=8-3/qid=1170132206/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-1875763-6188737?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)

It looks like the ones they are selling are properly pressed DVDs rather than
burned DVD-Rs. However, I'd surpised if (at the quantities they're being made) each DVD cost more that a dollar to produce. Even if each disc cost £2 that's still a $75 profit (less distribution costs - but they may be covered by the postage and packing fee) on the stack of 50. And that's their lowest per-disc margin.

[Foolmewunz]

These guys are still missing many opportunities to make money.
((snip))



Yeah, like personal care products! How about a product we wish Dylan's mom and dad had used......

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_11085457ba75d06fa5.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=3047)

[Kiwiwriter]

"Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on spindle (50 Pack)

These are fully functional DVDs, provided to you at near cost for the purpose of handing out to people or copying for friends.


Price: $175.00"

"Near cost" my foot. I can get blank DVD's and a marker for much, much less than $175.

Heck, Amazon's got DVD's for barely $30. (http://www.amazon.com/Memorex-DVD%2BR-4-7GB-Pack-Spindle/dp/B0007PGADE/sr=8-3/qid=1170132206/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-1875763-6188737?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)

Ebay has "Loose Change' for $1.50 a pop, "Buy It Now." That's how I found out about the DVD in the first place.

[fuelair]

What? No Loose Change Monopoly or jigsaw puzzles?

Loose Change for Xbox 360 and PS3, dodge the disinfo agents while getting to the bottom of the truth in this exciting first person shooter with amazing high definition graphics!

Well, I think a real life RP game - first person shooter with :D Loose Changers "allowed" to play themselves -would be entertaining. I'd pay to play that!!:D :D :D

[jon]

Well remember the losers did mention during the vanity video that the snipers were watching them.
I mean reallly they could have called it "accidental"

Didn't someone mention going along to a 'truth' protest with a laster pointer :D

[Horatius]

Or the "bare bones" at $9.95, which they again try to huckster you on with the same line about it being "near cost"!
Over here we get blank DVD's with our logo printed on them for about a buck a piece. How much labor does it take to burn a copy? But they're claimin 9.95 is "near cost"!

That's "near" cost the same way the collapses were "near" free fall. That is, not very close at all....

[HyJinX]

I think "TRIVIAL PURSUIT-The Loose Change Edition" would do very well in making a buck off the woo woos. It would be easy to put together too...since you don't need facts. Instead of having questions on one side of the card and answers on the back...you just put questions on both sides...since they don't ever feel the need to actually answer any questions. Since no player ever moves a space...it's an endless game. It would keep their little minds occupied for HOURS!

Actually...a box of sparklers would have the same results.

[eddyk]

You can leave bad reviews for the items.

[Foolmewunz]

Ebay has "Loose Change' for $1.50 a pop, "Buy It Now." That's how I found out about the DVD in the first place.

Oooh! Oooh! Who wants to get banned quickly? Anyone who's still a member should post a note about the discounts over on the LC boards.

Can you bid negative amounts on Ebay? "I'll take it off your hands for fifty bucks!"

:crazy:

[Walk The Line]

Loose Change for Xbox 360 and PS3, dodge the disinfo agents while getting to the bottom of the truth in this exciting first person shooter with amazing high definition graphics!

I would buy this game if I could play as the disinformation agents...

"Your mission, N.W.O. Conspirator #1649, is to find those divulging the secrets of the N.W.O. and kill them. Finding your enemies will not be a problem. They have foolishly left themselves open to attack. The foot soldiers in their army have populated the online website "Myspace" like cockroaches in a run down shack. Find their locations and eliminate them.

Once their foot soldiers are gone, their leaders will be forced to confront us in a final epic showdown. Their "truth" will be no match for our bullets. They will be easily conquered.

If you fail, N.W.O. Conspirator #1649, you will be forced to live with the eternal shame that Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and their cohorts defeated you in battle.

Do not fail."

[uruk]

Well Avery et. al. did reveal one truth. Thier willingness to exploit the victims of 9/11 by insulting the victim's loss and memories. The world will be a better place when thier 15 minutes are up.

There's a special place in hell for people like these.

[Foolmewunz]

I think "TRIVIAL PURSUIT-The Loose Change Edition" would do very well in making a buck off the woo woos. It would be easy to put together too...since you don't need facts. Instead of having questions on one side of the card and answers on the back...you just put questions on both sides...since they don't ever feel the need to actually answer any questions. Since no player ever moves a space...it's an endless game. It would keep their little minds occupied for HOURS!

Actually...a box of sparklers would have the same results.

I always thought Gravy should wear one of those blinking lapel pins when he goes to take 'em on at GZ. Just when they're trying to launch into one of their drooling tirades, they freeze in mid-sentence....

"Well, obviously you can see from the missing steel that.... Oooh, shiney! Me want!"

BTW the Trivial Pursuit game would last thirty seconds. All answers in Trooferville are allowed to be opinions. They'd be right on every question. It'd be a tie every time, then PDOH would start a thread about how he totally owned the other guys, and KT would photoshop some results.
:spjimlad:

[JonnyFive]

Loose Change for Xbox 360 and PS3, dodge the disinfo agents while getting to the bottom of the truth in this exciting first person shooter with amazing high definition graphics!

Hey, it kind of (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/pocketbikeracer/index.html?q=burger%20king) worked for (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/bigbumpin/index.html?q=burger%20king) Burger King (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/sneakking/index.html?q=sneak%20king).

A Truther game would be at least as fun as sneaking around as the creepy "King" from those commercials and giving people food.

That is to say: not at all.

[JonnyFive]

I would buy this game if I could play as the disinformation agents...

"Your mission, N.W.O. Conspirator #1649, is to find those divulging the secrets of the N.W.O. and kill them. Finding your enemies will not be a problem. They have foolishly left themselves open to attack. The foot soldiers in their army have populated the online website "Myspace" like cockroaches in a run down shack. Find their locations and eliminate them.

Once their foot soldiers are gone, their leaders will be forced to confront us in a final epic showdown. Their "truth" will be no match for our bullets. They will be easily conquered.

If you fail, N.W.O. Conspirator #1649, you will be forced to live with the eternal shame that Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and their cohorts defeated you in battle.

Do not fail."

That would make a killer Rainbow Six: Vegas mission. One team plays as the operators and gets to equip their standard gear, the other team plays the Truthers and gets... nothing. They can't wear any body armor and are only allowed one weak pistol between all of them.

However, they are allowed to choose any of the game's wide selection of hats.

Basically the goal of the Truth team is to survive the round without getting slaughtered. Good luck with that.

[VespaGuy]

Avery and company aren't the only ones trying to cash in. JohnDoe over at Pilot's for Truth is willing to put his little logo on everything and anything. http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots

If you were looking for a Pilots for Troof lisence plate frame and a Pilots for Troof BBQ apron, look no further!

[Drudgewire]

I'm guessing the white hoody is the least popular article of clothing in the store.

(seriously, have truthers ever worn white in a rally?)
They sell great thanks to the tinfoil lining in the hood. :D

[The Silver Shadow]

I was on the eBay searching for Loose Change DVDs, and the majority averaged anywhere from 1-2 USD! Some of them were even unopened!

[Mancman]

They should sell a box containing peer reviewed scientific evidence supporting the claims made in the film.

They'd make a killing selling air.

[Panoply_Prefect]

Ummm....hold it here:


Now shipping the second edition recut.


He's got a 2:ed of the 2:ed of Loose Change there...

SLOB

[Kiwiwriter]

Oooh! Oooh! Who wants to get banned quickly? Anyone who's still a member should post a note about the discounts over on the LC boards.

Can you bid negative amounts on Ebay? "I'll take it off your hands for fifty bucks!"

:crazy:

The ads for "Loose Change" on E-bay are a howl. They tell the buyer to make copies of the DVD for friends and family. They also urge purchase of Alex Jones videos, about the "secret occult forces" that control our government.

I hate to tell him, Johnny Carson's dead, so the "Amazing Karnak" isn't with us any more. :)

[orphia nay]

It's powered by these people http://mrwconnected.com/

"Social entrepreneurs". Ghastly profiteering wrapped up in eco-feel-good buzzwords with a faintly anti-capitalist aroma. I don't suppose they sell irony meters.


:newlol

Twoofers: "Irony? Is that like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron?"


Oops! I just compared twoofers to Baldrick. I'll just go and wash my mouth out with soap. :o

[eddyk]

I see they removed my review.
Can you imagine someone like IMDb doing that?


I watched the film, I might not have bought it...but still.

[Brainache]

:newlol

Twoofers: "Irony? Is that like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron?"


Oops! I just compared twoofers to Baldrick. I'll just go and wash my mouth out with soap. :o

Well I can imagine Dylan getting a knowing look in his eye as he first thinks of making a buck or two from the tragedy of 9/11, turning to Jason and Korey and saying: "I have a cunning plan...."

[MRC_Hans]

But what it comes down to is the simple fact that Randi isn't doing it by exploiting the fallen and accusing the innocent ;)I agree, but I think that is something that some would dispute.

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

the real difference is that the JREF is run not for prophet, whereas LTW is all about the bottom line, oh and Randi is right and Avery and co are disgusting parasites.

I'm sorry, but this is inconsistent reasoning. We use the exsistence of the LCshop as proof they are in it for the profit. The same is either true for the JREF, or not true for LC.

My (devil's advocate) point is: The fact that they engage in fund-raising is no more despicable than for any other organization. To say they are in it for the money, you have to show that they are not using the funds they aquire to further their cause.

Hans

[brodski]

I'm sorry, but this is inconsistent reasoning. We use the exsistence of the LCshop as proof they are in it for the profit. The same is either true for the JREF, or not true for LC.

My (devil's advocate) point is: The fact that they engage in fund-raising is no more despicable than for any other organization. To say they are in it for the money, you have to show that they are not using the funds they aquire to further their cause.

Hans

Sorry, it's not. The JREF is a not for profit undertaking, louder than words is a business. Randi draws a salary from the JREF, he is an employee, Avery and Co take profits from sales, they are business owners. They do not spend their money to "further the cause" in any way, rather they sell materials to others to "further the cause".

[negativ]

Also, keep in mind that the JREF is not selling an alternate version of reality based on lies, accusing innocent people of horrendous crimes while exonerating the truly guilty. They wouldn't even have a product to sell had not 3000 people been murdered not very long ago. They are taking the event and making it All About Themselves, getting attention by telling anyone who'll listen that THEY are the only ones who know the For-Real Truth about what happened... and of course it's vastly different than the explanation given to the spouses, parents, children, and friends of the dead who probably still sometimes wake up in the morning expecting in their just-awakened haze their loved one to be there and then suddenly remembering they're gone.

The fact that both LC and the JREF have a web shop is irrelevant. What's objectionable is the product being sold.

[jaydeehess]

"Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on spindle (50 Pack)

These are fully functional DVDs, provided to you at near cost for the purpose of handing out to people or copying for friends.


Price: $175.00"

"Near cost" my foot. I can get blank DVD's and a marker for much, much less than $175.

Heck, Amazon's got DVD's for barely $30. (http://www.amazon.com/Memorex-DVD%2BR-4-7GB-Pack-Spindle/dp/B0007PGADE/sr=8-3/qid=1170132206/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-1875763-6188737?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)

This page (http://www.jefferson.edu/jurei/cme/documents/05-06finalUltrasound_v8.pdf) contains info on DVD courses for specialised medical personel (about 3/4 the way down, just search the document for "dvd").

One set is 32 hours long and costs $1500. That's $46.88 per hour. At a similar cost structure "Loose Change" should then be almost 4 hours long.

That assumes that Jeffereson College has the same profit margin as Dylan Avery. However it should be noted that the CT crowd also claims that they have a very large following and therefore a greater audience than radiologists looking for DVD courses and therefore would be producing many more DVDs for sale than the college.

You can also purchase many other movies that cost $2M to make for a lot less than what DA is charging.

[Panoply_Prefect]

Ummm....hold it here:




He's got a 2:ed of the 2:ed of Loose Change there...

SLOB



I was making a joke when I wrote that, but now I understand there actually is a second cut of the second edition of Loose Change? Or am I reading the replies in this thread (http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16775) wrong?


Lol, thats tust the ending to the RECUT 2nd Edition.


Cheers,
SLOB

[MRC_Hans]

Sorry, it's not. The JREF is a not for profit undertaking, louder than words is a business.

If you can document the latter, yes.

Randi draws a salary from the JREF, he is an employee, Avery and Co take profits from sales, they are business owners.

The exact organization structure is basically irrelevant. The chose of structure depends on tax regulations. If your cause is not one that can be tax excempted, then it makes no difference if you are organized as an employee or the owner.

They do not spend their money to "further the cause" in any way, rather they sell materials to others to "further the cause".

If you can document this, then you are right.

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

Also, keep in mind that the JREF is not selling an alternate version of reality based on lies, accusing innocent people of horrendous crimes while exonerating the truly guilty. They wouldn't even have a product to sell had not 3000 people been murdered not very long ago. They are taking the event and making it All About Themselves, getting attention by telling anyone who'll listen that THEY are the only ones who know the For-Real Truth about what happened... and of course it's vastly different than the explanation given to the spouses, parents, children, and friends of the dead who probably still sometimes wake up in the morning expecting in their just-awakened haze their loved one to be there and then suddenly remembering they're gone.

The fact that both LC and the JREF have a web shop is irrelevant. What's objectionable is the product being sold.

Your last paragraph (bolded by me) nicely sums up my point. However, the opening post claimed that the fact they sold this was proof they are in it for money. That is false. We may have such proof by other means, but the fact that they sell it on a web shop is not it.

Hans