Are 9-11 Truthers "Anarchists"??

[parky76]

Im trying to figure this out. some of the political beliefs that many of them hold onto seem to swing towards the anarchist/libertarian/militia wing of the far -right.

they are against the income tax, minimum wage laws, anti-smoking restrictions, and gun laws.

many of them believe in christian end-times scenarios, believe that the holocaust was a zionist hoax, believe that the moon landing was a hoax, and think jet planes are spraying "chemtrails".

they hate fascism and dictatorship, but they think hugo chavez and ahmenidinejad are cool.

is there a neat little box all these ideas can fit into? or is the best definition just "nuts"?

[Dog Town]

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is there a neat little box all these ideas can fit into?

Why yes, yes there is, it's called... the FEMA death camps. My question is, why is it taking sooooo long?

[WildCat]

Why yes, yes there is, it's called... the FEMA death camps.
That's the funniest thing I've seen this week! :D

[PerryLogan]

I think they're a branch of the right wing, slightly more delusional and mentally ill than the rest of the Right.

Most of what the average Truther believes (about gun control, illegal immigration, the Federal Reserve, whatever) would play well at Stormfront. It's all variations on the same right-wing, libertarian anti-government baloney. Most Truthers are white males of below-average intelligence who think they're brilliant--as with the Republican Party. If they'd been in charge, they would have lost New Orleans, too.

[Dog Town]

I think they're a branch of the right wing, slightly more delusional and mentally ill than the rest of the Right.


Oh I see... you mean like Hollywood? Bad generalization there, Mr Logan. We are quite aware, you hate the GOP! For F- sakes notice all the left loonies as well! Would ya?
These kooks take all comers.

[WildCat]

For F- sakes notice all the left loonies as well! Would ya?
These kooks take all comers.
Exactly, those aren't right-wingers posting all that nonsense at DU and showing up at the World Can't Wait rallies.

[MarkyX]

Kind of funny how even though we all hate 9/11 deniers and unite agianst them, politically we would be killing off each other that would make Braveheart seem like a Muppet Babies prequel movie.

As for the original OP, yes, I do believe most of them are anarchists in suits. I am a libertarian, but unlike Aaron Russell or Alex Jones, I do know that in today's society that a government system is needed to keep things in order.

However, I do notice a trend with the truthers; they tend to be cop haters and hate those that simply disagree with them. They also spend a great deal of time fearmongering the communities they are in, telling them not to take any medicine or hate gays. It's really messed up :boggled:

[R.Mackey]

Im trying to figure this out. some of the political beliefs that many of them hold onto seem to swing towards the anarchist/libertarian/militia wing of the far -right.

they are against the income tax, minimum wage laws, anti-smoking restrictions, and gun laws.

many of them believe in christian end-times scenarios, believe that the holocaust was a zionist hoax, believe that the moon landing was a hoax, and think jet planes are spraying "chemtrails".

they hate fascism and dictatorship, but they think hugo chavez and ahmenidinejad are cool.

is there a neat little box all these ideas can fit into? or is the best definition just "nuts"?

Dog Town's answer was spot-on...

Seriously, though, if you knock out the strange worship of Chavez and Ahmedinejad, you could almost fit this within the bounds of "Libertarianism." (Bote Large L.)

We had a thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1867903#post1867903) about this once. Like I argued (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1868109#post1868109), quite a few of these kooks resemble those I knew in (and who ultimately drove me out of) the Libertarian Party.

Which is a real pity. Screw the left wing / right wing crap, I want to see more protection for civil liberties, and that agenda doesn't really have a home.

Follow-ups to Politics forum.

[R.Mackey]

Let me amend that before I ruffle too many feathers. I don't think the Deniers actually want anarchy. But I do think their ideal shares many features in common with that of Libertarians.

I am not implying that Libertarians are any more or less likely to be Deniers. The Deniers are inherently crazy.

Sorry if that was unclear. As before, follow-ups to Politics forum.

[The Silver Shadow]

they hate fascism and dictatorship, but they think hugo chavez and ahmenidinejad are cool.

is there a neat little box all these ideas can fit into? or is the best definition just "nuts"?
I don't think Chavez and Ahmadinejad are fascists (Although, Ahmadinejad was voted in unfairly, I'll admit). I would say Chavez is a left winger, moreso than the normal socialist.

I think the neat little box we could put them in would be a new category as "skeptics". They have no real direction.

[CurtC]

...and think jet planes are spraying "chemtrails".I wonder what the Troothers would have made of this: yesterday morning I saw "inverse chemtrails." The sky was overcast with a layer of thin clouds, but they were criss-crossed with darker lines. I know what caused that, but I wish I had had my camera so I could mess with them.

[The Demon's Head]

The truthers are not anarchists.

An anarchist is one who tries to overturn a government by violence.

The truthers don't have the stomach to be anarchists.

[ConspiRaider]

Some of the twoofers are anarchists, or wannabes. Absolutely, I've seen that underpinning amongst some of the plethora of woos I've dealt with over the last 18 months on another forum. You can read the spoiling for violence, for killing, right between the lines of their posts when they let their guard down. There is a segment of 9/11 twoofers that would love nothing more than to see most of the world's people destroyed - and we start all over again. Sick. Sad. Pathetic.

[Brainster]

I'd say they resist easy categorization, other than cranks who hate the government and are ready to believe anything bad about it.

[orphia nay]

Are Truthers "anarchists"?

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy
"Although in common parlance anarchy may refer to the breakdown of order following the collapse of a state (anomie), the term, as used in this article, refers to a stateless society."

In my opinion, Troofers' minds are in a state of anarchy. Let me paraphrase that quote and replace "a state" with "logic":

Although in common parlance anarchy may refer to the breakdown of order following the collapse of logic in an individual, the term also refers to a movement without logic or order.

[Quad4_72]

Why yes, yes there is, it's called... the FEMA death camps. My question is, why is it taking sooooo long?

Yeah sorry about that. My shipment of mustard gas for the "showers" is stuck out in Utah. They said that they will get it to me by the end of next week. So I should have the camps up and running VERY soon! My electrified fences are taking longer than I thought too...Bush has EXTREMELY specific guidelines for these.

[jon]

The truthers are not anarchists.

An anarchist is one who tries to overturn a government by violence.


Not necessarily - it'd be quite consistant for an anarchist to want to remove the government by peaceful means (e.g. civil disobedience, the goodness of human nature shining through and rendering the state unnecessary, a more advanced society developing where the state is unnecessary, etc.)

I get a sense that some of the truthers kind-of hope that - when everyone realises the Truth - the US government will suddenly collapse. Maybe they kind-of, sort-of, see anarchy following that? They're never particularly clear, though - and if they ever did take over, I'd see someone like Alex Jones siezing power sharp-ish :eek:

[Stellafane]

I don't think CT'ers adhere to any particular political persuasion, because I don't think they're a political movement (if indeed "movement" is what they are, in any sense except the one associated with bowels). In fact, I don't think the CT'ers are really "for" anything, they're just "against" the official 9/11 story, such as they perceive it. In that sense I think they can be considered reactionary, because they're reacting to the official story, but not really offering anything cogent or coherent in its place.

I see the whole CT thing as a search for personal significance and a place to belong, rather than a manifestation of some sort of political doctrine or social philosophy. That's why (along with the fact that they're all so spectacularly wrong) it's ultimately impotent and in the end will amount to nothing.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

They are neither anarchists, nor social anarchists. They are perfectly happy with the idea of setting their own little authoritarian control, so as to allow them to make the "shills" et al pay, etc.

[A W Smith]

Why yes, yes there is, it's called... the FEMA death camps. My question is, why is it taking sooooo long?


I thought Death Camp was where the residents of killtown sent their children avery (oops I mean every) summer?

[aggle-rithm]

The truthers are not anarchists.

An anarchist is one who tries to overturn a government by violence.

The truthers don't have the stomach to be anarchists.

I mostly agree, but I think the troofers are simply not realistic enough to be anarchists, or any other flavor of radical. They want all the benefits of government, but none of the disadvantages (real or perceived).
At the same time, they want all the benefits (real or perceived) of anarchy, but none of the disadvantages (like crumbling infrastructures and people eating each other).

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I mostly agree, but I think the troofers are simply not realistic enough to be anarchists, or any other flavor of radical. They want all the benefits of government, but none of the disadvantages (real or perceived).
At the same time, they want all the benefits (real or perceived) of anarchy, but none of the disadvantages (like crumbling infrastructures and people eating each other).

Wait.

People eating each other is a disadvantage?

*scibbles note*

Headquarters never keeps me up on policy changes.

[aggle-rithm]

Wait.

People eating each other is a disadvantage?



In certain circles it's frowned upon, yes.

[Basilio]

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[beachnut]

I think they're a branch of the right wing, slightly more delusional and mentally ill than the rest of the Right.

Most of what the average Truther believes (about gun control, illegal immigration, the Federal Reserve, whatever) would play well at Stormfront. It's all variations on the same right-wing, libertarian anti-government baloney. Most Truthers are white males of below-average intelligence who think they're brilliant--as with the Republican Party. If they'd been in charge, they would have lost New Orleans, too.

I thought the far left and far right meet each other at some point only the expert CTers have been to.

I think you have identified at least half the movement. I guess even Charlie Sheen fits the bill.

[CurtC]

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[Andúril]

they hate fascism and dictatorship, but they think hugo chavez and ahmenidinejad are cool.
Just hit to another of this type today. Because Hugo and Mahmoud say that 9/11 is an "inside job", it MUST be true...

In general, most conspiracy theorists openly admire just anyone who happens to oppose the US - mostly islamists, leftist dictators and other that sort of scum. They are not far from stalinists. Every now and then they quote articles of a local garbage newspaper that supports what's left of the Communist party here. Of course they also oppose the EU and NATO and everything that could lead us more away from Russia's grip.

In short: majority of conspiracy theorists are leftist extremist idiots. At least outside USA.

Then there are those no-holocaust -nuts who also like Ahmadinejad & Co. Hmm... leftist CTists sharing the same idols with neo-Nazis...

[Dog Town]

Kind of funny how even though we all hate 9/11 deniers and unite agianst them, politically we would be killing off each other that would make Braveheart seem like a Muppet Babies prequel movie.

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No truer words have been spoken! That is what I like, about us so much. It will be interesting, to see us hit the politico boards, after this dies off. I know many here already do.
No time for both here! That is for real world. Never say never...

[Hierosis]

Im trying to figure this out. some of the political beliefs that many of them hold onto seem to swing towards the anarchist/libertarian/militia wing of the far -right.

they are against the income tax, minimum wage laws, anti-smoking restrictions, and gun laws.

many of them believe in christian end-times scenarios, believe that the holocaust was a zionist hoax, believe that the moon landing was a hoax, and think jet planes are spraying "chemtrails".

they hate fascism and dictatorship, but they think hugo chavez and ahmenidinejad are cool.

is there a neat little box all these ideas can fit into? or is the best definition just "nuts"?

WAIT! You forgot that floride is killing us slowly through our water supply. (I jest people).