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andyandy
2nd February 2007, 02:45 PM
At least 1,000 orang-utans have been killed in fierce forest fires in Indonesia, hastening the species' headlong rush to extinction within the next decade.

The fires, the worst in a decade and which reached their peak last month, sent a thick pall of smoke across the region, closing airports and forcing drivers to use headlights at noon. Conservationists believe that many were deliberately lit to make room for plantations to grow palm oil - much of it, ironically, to meet the world's growing demand for environmentally friendly fuel.

Their greatest victim is the orang-utan - Asia's only great ape - which is so endangered that many experts believe that it will become extinct in the wild over the next 10 years. Some 50,000 of them, at most, still survive, and about 5,000 are thought to perish every year as the rainforests on which they depend are felled.

Originally some 300,000 of the apes - championed by Sadie Frost in the ITV series Extinct, which ended last night - lived throughout South-east Asia. But now they survive only in isolated pockets on the islands of Borneo and Sumatra. In the past 20 years, 80 per cent of their habitat has been destroyed - and only about 2 per cent of what remains is legally protected in reserves.

"Orang-utans are in catastrophic decline and everything that is being done to protect them is not up to the challenge," said Ian Redmond, chairman of the Ape Alliance, an international coalition of conservation bodies and an adviser to the United Nations Environment Programme. "It is all looking pretty bleak."

The International Fund for Animal Welfare predicts that they will be extinct within 10 years. Other estimates vary either side of that figure. WWF (formerly the World Wildlife Fund) puts it at 20 years, Friends of the Earth at 12, and the Borneo Orang-utan Survival Foundation at just four.http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2081668.ece

It seems almost inevitable that orangs will become the first of the modern great apes to become extinct in the wild. My question is therefore about captive-population sustainability levels - ie what size of captive orang population would be required to ensure long term sustainability? This i assume would require taking into account factors such as breeding success, genetic variation (longer term only?) etc. From the viewpoint of species survival would it be best to place more orangs in capitivity now?

On a more general level, i'm interested in the role that zoos will have (and do have) in sustaining animals extinct in the wild....

Overman
2nd February 2007, 02:49 PM
Irony sucks.

andyandy
2nd February 2007, 02:56 PM
Irony sucks.

stupid environmentalism :(

Amapola
2nd February 2007, 04:10 PM
Wow. :( I suppose there is not just the challenge of saving the genetics but also the behaviours which they teach and pass down to their offspring in the wild.

Zoos can do a good job in some respects but they too will have limited space available.

If you grew up with some sort of concept of "wild animals" it is strange to think that today, nearly all, if not all, animals on the planet are only alive at the sufferance of humans.

Roboramma
3rd February 2007, 07:10 AM
Damn that makes me angry.

This Guy
3rd February 2007, 01:02 PM
Tis sad news :(

articulett
3rd February 2007, 02:23 PM
There are some that are in their up 40's in the San Diego zoo. I think zoos will be the only places for many of our endangered animals--especially with the climate change--If you're a complex organisms that is not particularly adaptable, the odds of your survival is improbable in periods of rapid change--complex organisms evolved along with the earth and many years of slow change--rapid changes don't bode well unless you're really adaptable like roaches, rats, weeds, and humans--

Orangatans are fascinating--I feel terrible about their loss.

Schneibster
3rd February 2007, 07:16 PM
That sucks. We failed. :(

uruk
5th February 2007, 10:34 AM
I hope they are getting as big a genetic cross sampling as possible. If the Orangutans go extinct all that maybe left are zoo specimines and DNA.

You never know, maybe in the future we may be able to revive the species and thier habitat. If that's possible.


Just a thought

Orangutan
5th February 2007, 10:46 AM
I see how it is.
I post this story back in November and not 1 reply!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68086

Ok so you all love andyandy more than me, Sniff.
I'm crying for the Orangutans, thats all.

And Yes. This Sucks.

Amapola
5th February 2007, 12:30 PM
I see how it is.
I post this story back in November and not 1 reply!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68086

Ok so you all love andyandy more than me, Sniff.
I'm crying for the Orangutans, thats all.

And Yes. This Sucks.

Oh, poor Orangutan! Here - how about a hug? :hug2 There - is that better? :D

I think it was your thread title. I never even noticed it, and I try to read every thread that mentions animals.

andyandy
5th February 2007, 12:37 PM
I see how it is.
I post this story back in November and not 1 reply!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68086

Ok so you all love andyandy more than me, Sniff.
I'm crying for the Orangutans, thats all.

And Yes. This Sucks.

ah - but you didn't appeal to emotion with a :( sad face smilie in your thread title - that makes all the difference :)

....it really does make me sad though - i was lucky enough to see a couple of orangs in the wild when i was in Sabah.....they're such lovely animals. i hope breeding programs will be at least be able to preserve the species in captivity :(

Orangutan
5th February 2007, 07:33 PM
Surprisingly I found there's a "Center for Orangutan and Chimpanzee Conservation" Right here in Florida.

I'm surprised they don't do visitors, You can run a conservation park and allow visitors without exploiting the animals by making them perform. I'm assuming that these animals will never be returned to the wild.

http://www.prime-apes.org/