SPLC and JEDI KNIGHT

[Theodore Kurita]

Now that I think about it.

Would Jedi Knight call the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center)
a group run by commie feminists.

Lets see.'



http://www.splcenter.org/


The SPLC - A group that promotes tolerance for minorities, gays, etc. and sues right wing racist groups out of business.

[Segnosaur]

Just out of curiosity, are you actually going to follow up on your thread? I notice you tend to do a lot of "post and run"... Start a thread, then disappear, never responding to any of the follow up posts.

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))
The SPLC - A group that promotes tolerance for minorities, gays, etc. and sues right wing racist groups out of business.

I do believe in equal rights and tolerance myself... but does anyone think its strange that a group that promotes 'tolerance' would try to put groups they disagree with out of business?

[Ed]

I find your avatar intolerant and offensive.

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by Segnosaur
Just out of curiosity, are you actually going to follow up on your thread? I notice you tend to do a lot of "post and run"... Start a thread, then disappear, never responding to any of the follow up posts.



I do believe in equal rights and tolerance myself... but does anyone think its strange that a group that promotes 'tolerance' would try to put groups they disagree with out of business?


Don't expect this to be a post in run like most of my threads.

As for the SPLC, it does promote tolerance.

It is completely against racism.

The trouble about racist groups is that you can't really attack them in court (The First Amendment).

However, if a Racist group commits a crime, then the possibilites to destroy them are open.

There are many examples of this on the SPLC website.

The SPLC has actually been able to break of huge amounts of racist groups.

Morris Dees (who I have personally met) has threats put on him daily by racist and hate groups.

There are several classifications for Racist, Hate, and Militia groups:

Ku Klux Klan
Neo-Nazi
Christian Identity
Black Separatist
Neo-Confederate


All of these groups at some point or other have commited violent crimes, and continue to do so.

What the SPLC has done is cut down on the number of these groups via lawsuit.

It cuts down on racist crime, and punishes those who think hate is the only way.

[Ed]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))



It cuts down on racist crime, and punishes those who think hate is the only way.

It punishes thought?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))
Now that I think about it.

Would Jedi Knight call the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center)
a group run by commie feminists.

Lets see.'



http://www.splcenter.org/


The SPLC - A group that promotes tolerance for minorities, gays, etc. and sues right wing racist groups out of business.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is doing a great job. I am not against their agenda whatsoever. I disagree with some of the propaganda that they use. I think they try to make America seem filled with more extremists than it is, but that is just clever capitalism to fill their coffers. Fear is a good source of making money and the SPLC are geniuses in that department.

Now, I think when they took out the Aryan Nations that was a good thing because they were one of a few groups that had any members. But honestly, I don't know why you would ask me about the SPLC. Maybe you should explain.

Disagreeing with homosexual behavior is not hate. Disagreeing with feminist commies is also not hate. That is not the SPLC's agenda, as far as I know, and even if it were, I would shrug it off as special interest ignorance in lue of making money. There is nothing illegal about holding opinions about perversions in the nation-state. That is how the SPLC makes money. Just because I don't form an SPLC of my own and go after communist and leftist hate groups doesn't mean that leftist hate groups do not exist.

It all boils down to what I posted earlier this week about communism getting a pass where National Socialism is hounded as being an unpalatable ideology. Maybe the SPLC has pals in the extremist left--I don't know, but I don't see them taking action against leftist extremists. Maybe they still have their hands full with extremists on the right.

JK

[Fade]

Originally posted by Ed
I find your avatar intolerant and offensive.
Originally posted by Ed


It punishes thought?

Well, okay.

Why is it that the US, the bastion of liberty and tolerance, is only "ahead of the game" when it comes to allowing people to say hateful things? It would be difficult to point to anything else and say "Lookie here world, we have given our people [this] right, and you should too!"

I blame Republicans for this happening, Ed, and I think people are justified in their little barbs towards them. We're having rights taken from us as we sit here, and there is not a single person to blame that is not a hardcore Republican.

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The Southern Poverty Law Center is doing a great job. I am not against their agenda whatsoever. I disagree with some of the propaganda that they use. I think they try to make America seem filled with more extremists than it is, but that is just clever capitalism to fill their coffers. Fear is a good source of making money and the SPLC are geniuses in that department.

Now, I think when they took out the Aryan Nations that was a good thing because they were one of a few groups that had any members. But honestly, I don't know why you would ask me about the SPLC. Maybe you should explain.

Disagreeing with homosexual behavior is not hate. Disagreeing with feminist commies is also not hate. That is not the SPLC's agenda, as far as I know, and even if it were, I would shrug it off as special interest ignorance in lue of making money. There is nothing illegal about holding opinions about perversions in the nation-state. That is how the SPLC makes money. Just because I don't form an SPLC of my own and go after communist and leftist hate groups doesn't mean that leftist hate groups do not exist.

It all boils down to what I posted earlier this week about communism getting a pass where National Socialism is hounded as being an unpalatable ideology. Maybe the SPLC has pals in the extremist left--I don't know, but I don't see them taking action against leftist extremists. Maybe they still have their hands full with extremists on the right.

JK



So Jedi, why do you always think that leftists are evil.

Some of the greatest skeptics in history were marxist leftists:

Martin Gardner is one of the best examples.

How could you call a person like Martin Gardner evil???

Fess up Jedi, you ain't no skeptic. (grammatical errors intended)

You are just a blowhard who has no life whatsoever, except for trolling on these forums.

Come on.

Flame away :j2:

[Ed]

Originally posted by Fade



Well, okay.

Why is it that the US, the bastion of liberty and tolerance, is only "ahead of the game" when it comes to allowing people to say hateful things? It would be difficult to point to anything else and say "Lookie here world, we have given our people [this] right, and you should too!"

Perhaps you should ask those immigrants why they want to come here. What do you think that they would say? Take a guess.

I blame Republicans for this happening, Ed, and I think people are justified in their little barbs towards them. We're having rights taken from us as we sit here, and there is not a single person to blame that is not a hardcore Republican.

I am glad you blame republicans. You realize that this statement makes no sense, given the context of my remark, right? On a different note, tell me exactly what right you, personally, have lost. Please provide an example to prove your point.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))




So Jedi, why do you always think that leftists are evil.

Some of the greatest skeptics in history were marxist leftists:

Martin Gardner is one of the best examples.

How could you call a person like Martin Gardner evil???

Fess up Jedi, you ain't no skeptic. (grammatical errors intended)

You are just a blowhard who has no life whatsoever, except for trolling on these forums.

Come on.

Flame away :j2:

Communism (Marxism) killed 150,000,000 people last century. Who knows how many it will kill this century. It belongs in the garbage can of bad ideas.

I just wish it was confronted like the evils of National Socialism but for some reason the perversion of communism is 'celebrated' instead by what Stalin called: "useful idiots".

So who is really the 'blowhard', loser?

JK

[rwald]

I'm reminded of a line that one of my friends thought up once: "I like communism but hate communists." On paper, communism seems to work. On paper, it is not an evil philosophy. However, whenever one actually tries to implement communism, you end up with an evil dictatorship. It's just human nature.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by rwald
I'm reminded of a line that one of my friends thought up once: "I like communism but hate communists." On paper, communism seems to work. On paper, it is not an evil philosophy. However, whenever one actually tries to implement communism, you end up with an evil dictatorship. It's just human nature.

That was predicted by George Orwell. If only he were alive to see it. It is a condition known as "double-think", or thinking about two contradictory statements as true.

What we have are leftists who say: "communism was evil in history, yes", while at the same time saying: "communism 'on paper' is not an evil philosophy".

Orwell should be given the Nobel Prize posthumously for his brilliant observations.

Double-think can also be applied to Christian persecution in the United States. It is a First Amendment right to express religious speech when you want to, unless you are talking to people in schools, the courts, etc. It is laughable how far the left has taken double-think into reality in the United States.

The ultimate double-think is thinking Nazism is evil while thinking communism is not evil.

JK

[clk]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))


Fess up Jedi, you ain't no skeptic.


Neither are you!!!


(grammatical errors intended)


LMAO!



You are just a blowhard who has no life whatsoever, except for trolling on these forums.

Come on.

Flame away :j2:

ROFLMAO!!!
:D

This has got to be the most ironic post I've ever seen.
Talk about pot calling the kettle black!

[Fade]

Perhaps you should ask those immigrants why they want to come here. What do you think that they would say? Take a guess.

The same reason your own family immigrated here. This country is rich, no doubt about it. It's also very large. It's large enough to take in thousands each year without feeling even a little lump. The US is not a bastion of liberty, it's a bastion of money. That isn't objectively bad or good, but it is true. Pragmatism keeps me hear, not idealism.

I am glad you blame republicans. You realize that this statement makes no sense, given the context of my remark, right?

Of course it makes sense. You just don't agree with it. Take care that your ego and your position aren't too closely intertwined, it can lead to you looking foolish.

On a different note, tell me exactly what right you, personally, have lost. Please provide an example to prove your point.

Nothing, personally, yet. I am far too rich to be concerned with most things the government is doing. However, there are people being held under pretenses which are less than sterling, thanks to the "homeland security act."

What you don't seem to understand is that I don't need to be personally, and immediately effected by something to feel for those who are.

[the_ignored]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


That was predicted by Goerge Orwell. If only he were alive to see it. It is a condition known as "double-think", or thinking about two contradictory statements as true.

What we have are leftists who say: "communism was evil in history, yes", while at the same time saying: "communism 'on paper' is not an evil philosophy".

Orwell should be given the Nobel Prize posthumously for his brilliant observations.

Double-think can also be applied to Christian persecution in the United States. It is a First Amendment right to express religious speech when you want to, unless you are talking to people in schools, the courts, etc. It is laughable how far the left has taken double-think into reality in the United States.

The ultimate double-think is thinking Nazism is evil while thinking communism is not evil.

JK
Actually, the ultimate double-think would be saying that you're "pro-life" while worshipping a god who ordered the killing of babies and pregnant women (see the OT).

As for nazism and communism, hell. They're both evil. The only gov't worthy of trust is a Secular Democracy.

[Baker]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))




So Jedi, why do you always think that leftists are evil.

Some of the greatest skeptics in history were marxist leftists:

Martin Gardner is one of the best examples.

How could you call a person like Martin Gardner evil???

Fess up Jedi, you ain't no skeptic. (grammatical errors intended)

You are just a blowhard who has no life whatsoever, except for trolling on these forums.

Come on.

Flame away :j2:


I’m surprised this is your first reply to one of your threads besides just bumping the thread.
At lest Jedi responds to every thread he posts unlike your self.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Disagreeing with homosexual behavior is not hate
So what is it about homosexual behaviour you disagree with JK? Their tendency towards campness? Their taste in clothes and music? ;)

Communism (Marxism) killed 150,000,000 people last century. Who knows how many it will kill this century. It belongs in the garbage can of bad ideas.

I just wish it was confronted like the evils of National Socialism but for some reason the perversion of communism is 'celebrated' instead by what Stalin called: "useful idiots".
It's always worth noting that communism as practised had as much relationship to Marxism as, I don't know, the Christian right does to Jesus' message reported in the bible, and that National Socialism is profoundly evil both as an idea as well as in practice. As a result of events in Europe in the 20th century, the EU constitution has a clause which allows measures to be taken to address any form of extremism from subverting the democratic process of member states for its own ends.

It strikes me as a terrible shame that whilst people are still searching for "reds under the bed" the spectre of National Socialism is rising again, albeit clad in the respectable attire of capitalism. On the one hand, the EU constitution has the anti-extremism clause, yet on the other, Berlusconi (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3051989.stm) is allowed to take up the EU presidency.

All that aside, if we accept uncritically the criteria for condeming Communism/Marxism, does that mean we can condemn the NRA for all firearms-related deaths in the US?
Double-think can also be applied to Christian persecution in the United States. It is a First Amendment right to express religious speech when you want to, unless you are talking to people in schools, the courts, etc. It is laughable how far the left has taken double-think into reality in the United States.
But surely the double-think is assuming that freedom of religious expression means special treatment for christianity only? If christianity is introduced in the courts and schools, then equal time and merit should be given to other religions popular in the US; and the pledge should be changed to "one nation under a god, or gods or no gods at all". :)

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by rwald
I'm reminded of a line that one of my friends thought up once: "I like communism but hate communists." On paper, communism seems to work. On paper, it is not an evil philosophy. However, whenever one actually tries to implement communism, you end up with an evil dictatorship. It's just human nature.

Yup.


Or, at the risk of being accused of bandying about trite expressions;

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions!


:wink8: