Haggard Completely Cured of being Gay

[SteveGrenard]

It's a miracle. In just three weeks the Rev. Ted Haggard has declared himself cured of being a homosexual. He is convinced he is a hetero, completely and unequivocally. Will wonders never cease? Thank the lord! Haggard has beat SSAD or Same Sex Attraction Disorder hands down.



February 7, 2007)--A fellow minister says the Rev. Ted Haggard has come out of intense counseling convinced that he's "completely heterosexual."

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/5620726.html


Haggard the Hetero

By Michael Weiss

Posted Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2007, at 6:00 PM ET

Bloggers congratulate Rev. Ted Haggard on rediscovering women through Jesus ..............

http://www.slate.com/id/2159322/

[a_unique_person]

Been there, done that. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=74183

[SteveGrenard]

This is a social science issue, the other thread a religious one. Depends on your perspective.

[BPSCG]

A fellow minister says the Rev. Ted Haggard has come out of intense counseling convinced that he's "completely heterosexual."I think that's code for "Clockwork Orange" therapy.

[DRBUZZ0]

I suppose it's possible that he is no longer attracted to men and is now attracted to women... as he says. But the whole concept is rather f***ed up, IMHO.

You can change a person's feelings toward almost anything with enough positive/negative reinforcement and conditioning. Sex is something of a cultural thing. If you look at periods of Roman history everyone was bi, it was the norm.

But the whole "what causes homosexuality" and "how do I become straight" opens up a lot of really bad possibilities. If you are a wacked out fundie and want to be "reprogrammed" that's your deal, but this sort of thing is a very slippery sloap toward persecuting those who have no desire to change themselves by labeling them as having a "problem" which can be "fixed"

[SteveGrenard]

Yeah and it gets worse. Haggard says he and is wife have enrolled in an on-line program to become psychologists.

[BPSCG]

Yeah and it gets worse. Haggard says he and is wife have enrolled in an on-line program to become psychologists.Pull the other one!

[a_unique_person]

This is a social science issue, the other thread a religious one. Depends on your perspective.

Fair enough, but what it means when you have two threads on the same issue is you miss out on half the brilliant insight from the other thread.

[Alt+F4]

I've often wondered something about folks who think that homosexuality can be "cured". How would these same people feel if say their daughter said she was going to marry a "former gay"? I doubt they would be happy about it. Hypocrits.

[Luke T.]

I've often wondered something about folks who think that homosexuality can be "cured". How would these same people feel if say their daughter said she was going to marry a "former gay"? I doubt they would be happy about it. Hypocrits.

Borderline strawman there, shipmate.

[TragicMonkey]

I wonder if any "cured" gay people would be willing to undergo scientific study? I was thinking about that thing about how your pupils dilate when you see something you find attractive. I doubt that can be controlled by prayer.

[Kopji]

and to think the spirits did it in one night!

[SteveGrenard]

Pull the other one!


I wouldn’t pull your leg …..



Mr. Haggard said in his message to New Life members that he and his wife were taking online courses to get master’s degrees in psychology, and Mr. Ralph told The Post that the oversight board had recommended to Mr. Haggard that he take up secular work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/07/us/07haggard.html?em&ex=1170997200&en=5669522ea6975858&ei=5087%0A

I wonder what kind of secular work that would be … curing SSAD perhaps?

[Rob Lister]

Been there, done that.

Oh, you were cured too? :)

[Rob Lister]

I should remind you all that the reverend Jimmy Swaggert is almost as popular as he used to be (remember him?), and he didn't have the insight to hire public relation firms to do his ...erm...public relations stuff (words fail me which is sad). Sure, Jim Baker never recovered but he had to endure prision and post-prision Tammy Faye.

That said, he'll be back in the cash +some soon.

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I suppose it's possible that he is no longer attracted to men and is now attracted to women... as he says. But the whole concept is rather f***ed up, IMHO.

You can change a person's feelings toward almost anything with enough positive/negative reinforcement and conditioning. Sex is something of a cultural thing. If you look at periods of Roman history everyone was bi, it was the norm.

But the whole "what causes homosexuality" and "how do I become straight" opens up a lot of really bad possibilities. If you are a wacked out fundie and want to be "reprogrammed" that's your deal, but this sort of thing is a very slippery sloap toward persecuting those who have no desire to change themselves by labeling them as having a "problem" which can be "fixed"

No, Homosexuality has many genetic components to it. In ancient roman times it might not of been considered as much of a 'bad thing' as it is today, but I highly doubt more people were homosexual or bisexual in ancient Rome or ancient Greece than there are today.

I doubt it's possible to stop being gay or straight short of years of being brainwashed or going through some sort of evasive brain surgery. Is he heterosexual now? I highly doubt it. Most likely he will be put back into a leadership position in the church and then will do the same thing he did before and get caught again and go through the same process.

[DRBUZZ0]

No, Homosexuality has many genetic components to it. In ancient roman times it might not of been considered as much of a 'bad thing' as it is today, but I highly doubt more people were homosexual or bisexual in ancient Rome or ancient Greece than there are today.

I doubt it's possible to stop being gay or straight short of years of being brainwashed or going through some sort of evasive brain surgery. Is he heterosexual now? I highly doubt it. Most likely he will be put back into a leadership position in the church and then will do the same thing he did before and get caught again and go through the same process.

Agreed that there is most likely not heterosexual, although he may think so and he may be doing a good job of faking it. However, I would not doubt that with enough brain washing you can make people think almost anything... that's not necessarily a good thing.

I do not think there were more gay people in Roman times, but it is possible that a society with entirely different thoughts on sex could lead to much different defining or various activities and more common homosexual activity.

I have never been sold on homosexuality being genetic, for a number of reasons (or at least entirely so). However... I very much hesitate to down the road of what would determine a person's sexuality because that.... well that always leads to trouble.... I would advise anyone researching this to stop immediately, because no matter what you conclude, somebody will be VERY angry at you for it.

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Agreed that there is most likely not heterosexual, although he may think so and he may be doing a good job of faking it. However, I would not doubt that with enough brain washing you can make people think almost anything... that's not necessarily a good thing.

I do not think there were more gay people in Roman times, but it is possible that a society with entirely different thoughts on sex could lead to much different defining or various activities and more common homosexual activity.

I have never been sold on homosexuality being genetic, for a number of reasons (or at least entirely so). However... I very much hesitate to down the road of what would determine a person's sexuality because that.... well that always leads to trouble.... I would advise anyone researching this to stop immediately, because no matter what you conclude, somebody will be VERY angry at you for it.

There are numerous scientific studies showing a link between genetics and homosexuality.

[CFLarsen]

This is a social science issue, the other thread a religious one. Depends on your perspective.

And yet, you open this thread with "It's a miracle" and "Thank the lord!"? :rolleyes:

Why do you think this is a "social science issue"?

[SteveGrenard]

It depends on your perspective is what I said.

A salient point is the three week rehab and cure. This is claimed of people saying they are treating SSAD which is not recognized as a disorder by anyone other than those curing people of it. It's like "let's invent a disease or disorder" for which we already have a B.S. cure for and market that disease. It looks to me that Haggard has gotten on that wagon and will be using himself as living proof. http://www.narth.com/docs/ssad.html

On the religious references, if you don't understand sarcasm, so be it.

[CFLarsen]

Ah, it was "sarcasm". Sure.

[HarryKeogh]

Ah, it was "sarcasm".

Hmmm, maybe Steve is right and you don't understand sarcasm.

Sure

Then again, maybe you do. You were just sarcastic!

[rikzilla]

Rehab is in right now.

This is just rehab for self hating xtian nancy-boys. Apply copious amounts of Jeebus; wash, rinse, repeat as needed. In the end they still hate themselves, but have learned to turn that self hatred into self denial. They're never going to be "cured" simply because the only thing wrong with them is that they are seeking affirmation from the wrong people. But they will deny themselves and appear "straight"...but yeah...I'd not want my daughter to marry such an emotional cripple either.

There are plenty of emotionally strong/healthy gay people...mostly because they have enough self esteem to refuse to meet other people's expectations, and live for themselves.

Ted Haggard is to be both pitied and reviled. Churches are toxic to mental health and freedom.

-z

[Darth Rotor]

Mr. Ralph told The Post that the oversight board had recommended to Mr. Haggard that he take up secular work
I wonder what kind of secular work that would be.
Selling used cars.

DR

[DRBUZZ0]

There are numerous scientific studies showing a link between genetics and homosexuality.

Show me one? actually no. I don't know what causes homosexuality... I mean... determines homosexuality... I mean... determins whether someone is gay or straight.... I mean what factors may influence the development of...


I don't know. I don't want to know. I won't go there. I don't want to open that one.