BBC 9/11 Documentary Likely Hit Piece

[The Doc]

Score one for the good guys :)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/150207bbcdocumentary.htm

Although I am a little skeptical of Prison Planet, I can see what they are saying.


Many posters to the 9/11 Blogger site were skeptical of the show's balance and fear it could be one of the most sophisticated attacks on the 9/11 truth movement to date, using nebulous strawman tactics that elevate unproven theories about hologram planes, exotic weaponry and Jewish conspirators above hardcore evidence.
"Judging from my experience with (producer) Guy Smith, this will be a hit piece," stated one.


Thoughts?

(I was going to post this is the current BBC thread but I thought separate article, separate thread)

[Gravy]

CTer "Hit Piece" = Anything that accurately reflects the stupidity of their claims.

[cludgie]

or maybe there is a letter 's' missing in that statement somewhere?

[MarkyX]

Another tactic is likely to be constant reference to NIST and the 9/11 Commission in an attempt to debunk every question raised by "conspiracy theorists,"


Now I know it's going to be accurate.

[Alan Heap]

i sense a paradox, arr 4$"(!? sounds to me like it's going to be "a balanced piece", so balanced it will give the CTers too much credit, to prevent arguments or for popularity.

[mailman]

If this is about the BBC Conspiracies series then thats exactly what the show will show...various conspiracies about what ever topic it is the show is covering.

These morons cannot pick and choose which conspiracies represent their movement since their movement is all about conspiracies in the first place.

Mailman

[OMGturt1es]

CTer "Hit Piece" = Anything that accurately reflects the stupidity of their claims.

i don't know if this comment is more accurate than it is funny, or more funny than it is accurate.

i guess it's so ammusing because it is accurate.

[Rich M]

Alan: standard Beeb behaviour with this sort of program is to devote the first section of the show to covering the conspiracies before utterly demolishing them. So nobody panic if it's looking a bit woo to begin with, K?

[JAStewart]

Its this sunday, 9pm BBC2 right?

[brodski]

Alan: standard Beeb behaviour with this sort of program is to devote the first section of the show to covering the conspiracies before utterly demolishing them. So nobody panic if it's looking a bit woo to begin with, K?

Seconded, however I can guarantee that clips of eth first half will show up in CT "documentaries" to try and indicate that the BBC supports troofieness.

[a_unique_person]

"Hologram Planes"? How much fun have I been missing out on?

[JAStewart]

CTer "Hit Piece" = Anything that accurately reflects the stupidity of their claims.


That pretty much sums it up.

Disinfo they'll call it. Hit piece they'll call it. Lies they'll call it.

[The Doc]

I remember when South Park laid a 30 minute smack-down to the CT'ers Dylan Avery thought they were secretly supporting him lol.

[scissorhands]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6368341.stm

Looks like they will examine the underlying psychology of woo.

[Firestone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6368341.stm

Looks like they will examine the underlying psychology of woo.From that article:

But the deeper you dig in the dark world of conspiracies, the more you realise that different theories share much in common. The conspiracy theorist seizes on any apparent inconsistency and from that germ of truth the story is built up.

What happened to the white car apparently involved in Diana's accident? Was there a second gunman on the Grassy Knoll? And why did it take so long to scramble US fighters on 9/11?That bodes well, I think.

[Kage]

"Hologram Planes"? How much fun have I been missing out on?

Death rays, hologram planes, explosive paint, therm(a/i)te doing all sorts of acrobatic things, remote contolled collapsing lamp posts, drones, missles, government disinfo agents, fake fires in PA, fake phone calls, air to air missle batteries at the pentagon, growing truther revolution, impossible manuvers, faked flight data recorders, controlled demolition, people secretly being moved off planes to be resettled / killed, ISI connections to UBL, UBL being a CIA agent, UBL imposters, faster than freefall collapses, near freefall collapses, lack of fires at WTC 7, buildings falling into their own footprint, joos did it, neocons did it, PNAC did it, Gravy did it...any thing I missed?

[cludgie]

...any thing I missed?

WTC demolished by magical minature nukes that create no EMP and generate no other radiation emissions or fallout. Or explosions in the basement that cause the building to collapse from the top down sometime later.

[Brainster]

Just an aside, when I appeared on the BBC radio program, the interviewer mentioned before the taping that his typical job was to play the devil's advocate with the people representing both sides of an issue, but that he didn't feel much like it in this instance.

I think it gets back to the polling data, which clearly shows that the folks who buy into this nonsense tend to be the least educated and the young (aka, the least wise).

[T.A.M.]

I hope this will be available on Youtube, as I am not sure we get BBC2 here in Canuckland.

TAM

[greyleonard]

Posted by a regular Looser moron Twist_U_Up at DU:

BBC LEAK! Battle over Sunday's 9/11 documentary

Will this Sunday's BBC documentary whitewash 9/11?
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7030

Thanks to a dedicated poster and campaigner on this forum (whose name is associated with the initials SG), I put this together and sent it round my e-mail list. I believe Ian Crane is also posting something, so you might like to wait for that as well.

Review - and decide on your action:

=============================

We have discovered from a source inside the BBC that there are 2 versions or "edits" of the upcoming conspiracies documentary - one of which is a "whitewash" version. Our source tells us the guy pushing for the Whitewash Version to be broadcast is GARTH ANCIER:

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2013028,00.html
He was in the Guardian YESTERDAY. Coincidence?
Action:

e-mail the addresses below, and any others you may be aware with a message like the one below. Let them know we know the gist of the game. We know from our source there are people in the BBC pushing for the truth to come out - so let's hear it for them. Well, what are you waiting for?

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HelenBoaden.Complaints@bbc.co.uk (%20HelenBoaden.Complaints@bbc.co.uk)
vine@bbc.co.uk (%20vine@bbc.co.uk)
1_6_10feedback@bbc.co.uk (%201_6_10feedback@bbc.co.uk)
info@bbc.co.uk (%20info@bbc.co.uk)
guy.smith@bbc.co.uk (%20guy.smith@bbc.co.uk)
mike.rudin@bbc.co.uk (%20mike.rudin@bbc.co.uk)

and any other BBC ones you can think of! (or re-work the message below to send to other organisations)

You can also call Television Centre on 0208 743 8000 to find out more and lobby those who decide these things.


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Dear Sir/Madam,

We have discovered from a source within the BBC that there are 2 versions of the upcoming "Conspiracies" documentary about 9/11. We understand that there are people in the BBC who want the truth to come out and other ones that don't. We understand that the main person backing the "whitewash" version is Mr Garth Ancier.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2013028,00.html

Of course, as you will realise, this calls into question the standards of professionalism, journalism, honesty and integrity which seem to be at work in the BBC. We KNOW 9/11 was an inside job, and however many times David Icke or "No Planes" is mentioned in relation to it, it will not detract from the smoking guns which more and more people have now seen and understand.

We therefore strongly advise that the "honest" version is broadcast on Sunday, because if it is not, the BBC's reputation as a news broadcasting entity will be forever tarnished or destroyed. Clearly, we must also call into question the motives of an executive who can (or is trying to) influence what is to be broadcast, and this matter will need serious review also.

As you may know, William Rodriguez, Decorated hero and survivor of the World Trade Centre Disaster, is speaking around the UK. His testimony blows apart the official story of 9/11 and this will likely have been heard and read by 10s or 100s of thousands of people by the end of this month.

So, we know what the game is, and we are now "calling your bluff". We are watching you and waiting for your response.

Yours Sincerely,
_________________
Andrew

Ask the Tough Questions, Folks!

[mailman]

I love it how those morons claim the BBC is nothing more than a mouth piece for the British Government.

Clearly those same morons have never watched the BBC have they! :D

Mailman

[JamesB]

We do need to start keeping track of the truther dictionary.

Hit Piece - noun
1. Any article or television program which does not unquestionably accept any claim by the 9/11 truth movement.

[Alareth]

Explosive paint? How and when did I miss that gem?

[MarkyX]

Nice to see the brown shirt tactics again. Threatening media companies because they don't agree with their dumb little pet theories. I wonder when they will start selling "9/11 Truth" red armbands.

[Panoply_Prefect]

Alan: standard Beeb behaviour with this sort of program is to devote the first section of the show to covering the conspiracies before utterly demolishing them. So nobody panic if it's looking a bit woo to begin with, K?

I remember a BBC documentary on homeopathy were the first long part of it were pure glorification of the followers and subject at hand. I was working up a frenzy of the sloppieness of the producers and the low quality of their research when - sudden like the last part of a Rocky movie - the focus changed and one of the more thorough debunkings I've ever see commenced. It was pure slaughter.

Very good programming me thinks.

Cheers,
SLOB

[Panoply_Prefect]

WTC demolished by magical minature nukes that create no EMP and generate no other radiation emissions or fallout. Or explosions in the basement that cause the building to collapse from the top down sometime later.

Oh, there were plenty of mysterious radiation. It was measure by "a civilian" who seem to have been lost, with his result I might add. Obvious cover-up. :eye-poppi

(Please not that this post bears the Irony-stampTM)

SLOB

[Nancarrow]

I have nothing to contribute to this thread, except to thank OMGturt1es for inspiring me finally to update my avatar.

(Is yours a Hermann's too? Sure looks like it. Awwww!)

[eddyk]

I don't get how the CTs think for it to be 'fair and impartial' the documentary shouldn't debunk their myths.

I mean, they're showing the conspiracy side, and our side.

So they're showing both sides...if that's not fair and impartial I don't know what is.


P.S
I have a Marginated tortoise and a Hermann.

[eddyk]

I will be looking forward to this tonight, to see if they do pick on the crazy theories.

I mean WTC 7 is apparently their biggest smoking gun right?

I mean, that's one every 9/11 Twoofer seems to agree on...that it was brought down in CD.


http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/160207watson.mp3

'Top 5 UK newspapers have basically come out as said 9/11 was an inside job'
-Alex Jones

I don't remember any.


'I'm going to do a 3 part series where I take appart the BBC documentary, give it a full autopsy'

Should be good


Alex Jones says the BBC doc. will only focus on 'kooks'
That's why they interviewed him right?

He doesn't drink water he says because it will give him cancer.
Vaccines give you cancer and mind control chips according to him.
etc.

[CptColumbo]

Hopefully it will get to BBCAmerica, or YouTube.

[eddyk]

Dylan said yesterday on LTW Radio his 'boys' would have it on youtube ASAP.

[brodski]

Dylan said yesterday on LTW Radio his 'boys' would have it on youtube ASAP.

Would I be engaging in CT like paranoia If I asked people to check if eth version the troofers post is the same as the broadcast version, or if it has been edited at all?
Anyone remember the pro ct edit of the south park episode which appeared on you-tube? (is was about 10 min long).

[eddyk]

I think I'll record tonights episode on DVD.

Dunno if that means i'll be able to put it on the PC or not though...and from that onto google video or something.

[Firestone]

Are there no copyright issues here?
Can LTW (or someone else) simply put the program on Youtube?

[eddyk]

According to Alex Jones, the BBC has told youtube and google video to remove it if it is uploaded.

[JAStewart]

oh it'll be up on dailymotion or something. I can't wait for it :D

[MarkyX]

According to Alex Jones, the BBC has told youtube and google video to remove it if it is uploaded.

I see Alex Jones has no respect for Copyright laws.

[JAStewart]

I don't see why BBC doesn't youtube it, but put ********* of ads on the video?

You can't buy this episode anywhere, so why not stream it?

[JAStewart]

I see Alex Jones has no respect for Copyright laws.

says the creator of screw loose change ;)

just kiddin' marky

[brodski]

I don't see why BBC doesn't youtube it, but put ********* of ads on the video?

You can't buy this episode anywhere, so why not stream it?

The BBC doesn't like to have commercials. And whilst individuals may not be able to buy this, other TV stations can, but would be disinclined to do so if their audience had already watched it on you tube.

[JAStewart]

Ah. I probably should know that, being british an all.

I'm uber exited for the show :D

[MarkyX]

says the creator of screw loose change ;)

just kiddin' marky

You mean Loose Change had original footage and photos?!

[Big Les]

Doesn't look like this prog is repeated at all; bummer, as Sunday is "24" night (for my sins).

[Peephole]

Oh man, only 35 minutes till troofer pwnage. http://users.pandora.be/peephole/emoticons/emot-dance.gif

A preview can be found here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6360000/newsid_6362400/6362477.stm?bw=nb&mp=wm (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/?id=conspiracy_files)

[Peephole]

Q&A looks pretty solid:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6341851.stm

[Peephole]

It's on!

[WildCat]

:popcorn1

[westprog]

I'm watching right this minute. They've let Dylan have his say, and now they have Popular Mechanics having theirs.

As expected, they are letting the crazies run for a while, and then pulling them in.

[westprog]

"Flawed people that have to have something to dream about." A structural engineer speaks.

[westprog]

Fetzer. What a disgusting human being. They interviewed the pilot of the Pentagon C-130. He's an obviously decent, ordinary person being evilly slandered by a malignant nut.

[westprog]

Avery. What a complete idiot. He thinks the tail of 93 should have been sticking out of the ground like the Legion Of Superheroes clubhouse.

We're seeing a succession of decent, ordinary people telling their plain stories.

[Panoply_Prefect]

Comments now going on in two separate threads:


LINKY (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2354720&posted=1#post2354720) to keep them together.


SLOB

[JAStewart]

4000 jew theory!

[Architect]

I'm enjoying this documentary. The woowoos have been given lots of rope, and they've hung themselves.

4000 Jews. Sheesh.

[Architect]

Ah. I probably should know that, being british an all.



Most Shetlanders I know would never describe themselves as Scottish or British, you government shrill you! ;)

[gumboot]

WTC demolished by magical minature nukes that create no EMP and generate no other radiation emissions or fallout. Or explosions in the basement that cause the building to collapse from the top down sometime later.

But there wasEMP, remember. That's how they knew it was a nuke. The EMP made the Burger King sign flicker. It's true! They captured it on a digital video camera.

-Gumboot

[westprog]

It was a more effective piece because instead of following up each stupid theory and giving detailed expert analysis - a la Popular Mechanics - it talked to the people supposedly involved in a mass murder scheme.

Ironically, there will be people who see the programme and think that it confirms the theories. When Fetzer and Avery assert, as a matter of FACT, NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON, and WTC7 WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, that will carry more weight than the absence of evidence.

[cludgie]

I don't see why BBC doesn't youtube it, but put ********* of ads on the video?

You can't buy this episode anywhere, so why not stream it?

They may well flog it on DVD or something at some point in the future though.