What Caused the North Tower Gash?

[TruthSeeker1234]

Notice the thin airplane wing-style cut through the steel columns to the left of this picture. It's well above where the left "wing" went through. What caused this gash?
http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/woman_wtc.jpg

[Gravy]

You see a gash? I see columns discolored by soot. Disagree? Post a better photo and we'll see who's right. I won't hold my breath.

ETA: Here, I did it for you, because your deliberate ignorance doesn't permit researching your own claims.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045d71f123efed.jpg

[David Wong]

Oh, no! A two-planer!

[CFLarsen]

..."to the left of this picture"???

TS, what do YOU think caused this "gash"? (I agree with Gravy, this is way too fuzzy a picture)

[alexg]

Look closely, there are soot marks between the real hole and the 'gash' and these soot marks look just like the 'gash' marks. Also above the 'gash' there are more soot marks which do not completely cover the grey color of the columns underneath.

No mystery here.

[Mancman]

Notice the thin airplane wing-style cut through the steel columns to the left of this picture. It's well above where the left "wing" went through. What caused this gash?
http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/woman_wtc.jpg

Oi, timewaster, where is the 'gash' at 8:47am?
http://i19.tinypic.com/30nfcrm.jpg

Once again no facts just garbage from Ace. Another miss and run.

[The_Fire]

I don't see a gash. I do see a raging fire and soot damage.....


http://www.the7thfire.com/9-11/World_Trade_Center/wtc-hole1.jpg
http://www.newyork-avenue.com/galleries/-NEW_YORK_ARTISTES-/Richard_Young/wtc_9_11_north_tower_2.jpg


I was looking for pictures and do not know nor do I nescesarrily support the information/conclusions on the websites where the photos are found. Especially NOT if mentioned side is supporting the Toother movement.....

[David Wong]

Oi, timewaster, where is the 'gash' at 8:47am?
http://i19.tinypic.com/30nfcrm.jpg

Once again no facts just garbage from Ace. Another miss and run.

This is fascinating, and demonstrative. Your post was just 17 minutes after his. That's how long it took somebody to find a picture that perfectly debunked it.

So... why couldn't Ace find it? Photos of the impact aren't exactly hard to find on the internet.

You may then ask, doesn't it occur to him that maybe he's skipping a step somewhere? That between step A (see a picture on a 9/11 conspiracy site) and step C (rub picture in those darned JREFer's faces) maybe he should do a step B, which is spend a few minutes seeing if there's another picture out there that explains it away?

Even looking at it from a Truther point of view, wouldn't he want to make sure his point was strong before throwing it out here?

The answer is no, because it's part of their methodology that an accumulation of 50 bad claims is better than one good, well-supported claim. Each one, no matter how frivolous, adds to the cloud of "unanswered questions" that will impress someone new to the topic.

I admit, I'm succeptable to this. If somebody says, "John Smith has been accused of child molestation 57 times, but was aquitted each time," I'm going to think of the guy as a child molester. Even if every single one of those claims is blatantly false, the sheer volume of claims make an impression.

And so here's one more, one more "unanswered question" to add to the pile. Even though it's been answered, even though all of them worth answering have been answered. And they'll forever be able to say, "But there's just so many unanswered questions surrounding the event..."

[Dragon]

I don't see a gash. I do see a raging fire and soot damage.....


http://www.the7thfire.com/9-11/World_Trade_Center/wtc-hole1.jpg
http://www.newyork-avenue.com/galleries/-NEW_YORK_ARTISTES-/Richard_Young/wtc_9_11_north_tower_2.jpg


I was looking for pictures and do not know nor do I nescesarrily support the information/conclusions on the websites where the photos are found. Especially NOT if mentioned side is supporting the Toother movement.....
TruthSeeker - not very good at "truth" or "seeking", are you?
These are the images that The_Fire linked to -
http://www.the7thfire.com/9-11/World_Trade_Center/wtc-hole1.jpg
http://www.newyork-avenue.com/galleries/-NEW_YORK_ARTISTES-/Richard_Young/wtc_9_11_north_tower_2.jpg

See the flames in the same position as your "gash"?
Now you do know that the outer columns on WTC 1&2 were clad in aluminium don't you?
Now look carefully at the image Gravy posted - what do you think happened to the aluminium?

[JAStewart]

Haha - ya think that TS will post again in this thread? :D

[twinstead]

Just when I thought it couldn't happen, troothydude has achieved new heights of pathetic.

If I were a member of the truth movement troothy would be royally pissing me off about now.

Talk about making them look like idiots...

[JamesB]

It was the hole from the 30mm chain gun of the stealth fighters that performed several attack runs on the World Trade Center. It is true, Lauro Chavez told me once at a VFW meeting.

[Alt+F4]

LieSeeker makes these hit-and-run posts which get quickly debunked. The fence-sitters who read this forum continue to see how sad and ridiculous the truthers are.

Thanks LieSeeker, keep up the good work!

[Dragon]

LieSeeker makes these hit-and-run posts which get quickly debunked. The fence-sitters who read this forum continue to see how sad and ridiculous the truthers are.

Thanks LieSeeker, keep up the good work!Yup, he certainly earns his NWO money. Do you think he could get a gig doing the musical entertainment at Bohemian Grove?

[CFLarsen]

Yup, he certainly earns his NWO money. Do you think he could get a gig doing the musical entertainment at Bohemian Grove?

His band is called The Bilderberg Group....

[HeyLeroy]

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[Ducky]

Truthseeker1234, does it hurt to be repeatedly
Rule 8. Keep it polite.

[Dragon]

Truthseeker1234, does it hurt to be repeatedly See abovehttp://www.dorm.org/~andy/reddwarf/picts/rimmer/ace.jpg

[uruk]

The trooth movement is becoming a bowel movement

[TruthSeeker1234]

I think you're right, it's soot. Clearly my tax dollars are being used to supply this and other forums with research assistants such as Gravy, RMackey and AntiSophist. Thank you for all of your help, and keep it up!

[David Wong]

We're just doing our jobs.

[David Wong]

And by "jobs" I of course mean we're posting here completely of our own free will and on our own time. Don't take "jobs" to mean we're on a payroll. Often people use "jobs" in that sense and you shouldn't find that in any way suspicious.

[TruthSeeker1234]

And by "jobs" I of course mean we're posting here completely of our own free will and on our own time. Don't take "jobs" to mean we're on a payroll. Often people use "jobs" in that sense and you shouldn't find that in any way suspicious.

Do you know Gravy, RMackey ro AntiSophist in real life?

[David Wong]

I work with them.

[David Wong]

I mean no.



Does anybody know how to delete a post?

[jhunter1163]

Why do I get the feeling that BS1234 started this thread just so he could call Gravy, R. Mackey and AntiSophist government shills?

Especially since only Gravy out of his Big Three posted in this thread?

I don't have to know any of them in real life. They have all been steadfast enemies of idiocy, flaying conspiraloons without stint for at least the seven months I've been on this forum and in all likelihood much longer.

That's good enough for me.

[R.Mackey]

I think you're right, it's soot. Clearly my tax dollars are being used to supply this and other forums with research assistants such as Gravy, RMackey and AntiSophist. Thank you for all of your help, and keep it up!

Jealousy's a bitch, innit?

[Pardalis]

I mean no.



Does anybody know how to delete a post?

It's OK, we don't see it. ;)

[David Wong]

Hey, guys, I left myself logged in and my little brother got on the computer and said some things about how we were getting paid to post here. Obviously that's not true and I would never admit that.

EDIT: By "admit" I mean "incorrectly state something that isn't true at all in reality."

[The_Fire]

Hey, guys, I left myself logged in and my little brother got on the computer and said some things about how we were getting paid to post here. Obviously that's not true and I would never admit that.

EDIT: By "admit" I mean "incorrectly state something that isn't true at all in reality."

I take it you let your "brother" into your supersecrit illuminati build in wallsafe again? You really should read that memo on passwords and pincodes the intelligence office sent out a couple of months back........

[HeyLeroy]

Gravy, R.Mackey or AntiSophist: I've lost this weeks' one-time pad; could you please re-send?

Edit: Got it, thanks!

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[T.A.M.]

TS:

What is wrong with you. You think these people are paid to do this? You have not one, not a single ounce of proof of this, yet you slander them, calling them govt shills, disinfo agents. Where do you get off doing this. I could have pointed out the soot to you as well, and I CAN GUARANTEE YOU that here in "middle of F&*K" nowhere in Canada, I AM NOT WORKING FOR THE USG or connected with them IN ANY WAY.

You truthers are such losers.

TAM:mad:

[R.Mackey]

I tell you one thing, if the Governmint was paying me to make fun of TruthSeeker1234 (now there's job security for you!), I sure as heck wouldn't be doing it at 10 AM on a bright, sunny Saturday.

[David Wong]

TS:

What is wrong with you. You think these people are paid to do this? You have not one, not a single ounce of proof of this, yet you slander them, calling them govt shills, disinfo agents. Where do you get off doing this. I could have pointed out the soot to you as well, and I CAN GUARANTEE YOU that here in "middle of F&*K" nowhere in Canada, I AM NOT WORKING FOR THE USG or connected with them IN ANY WAY.

You truthers are such losers.

TAM:mad:

It would be like us accusing them of being shills for Al Qaeda, that they've been sent to destabilize the government and subvert the War on Terror.

[David Wong]

I tell you one thing, if the Governmint was paying me to make fun of TruthSeeker1234 (now there's job security for you!), I sure as heck wouldn't be doing it at 10 AM on a bright, sunny Saturday.

Even with those hours, it'd be a pretty sweet job.

[A W Smith]

Ill be the first to admit. Yes Iv'e worked with USG (http://www.usg.com/)

[beachnut]

Notice the thin airplane wing-style cut through the steel columns to the left of this picture. It's well above where the left "wing" went through. What caused this gash?


It is smoke, you are a shoddy researcher. You may be the shoddiest researcher.

The dumbest truther award goes to TS1234

Meth is not good with cheerios~!

[David Wong]

Wait a second, wasn't it Mancman who posted the photo that destroyed TS1234's premise? Why doesn't he get included?

[T.A.M.]

TS; you should have done more thorough research before posting this here...I know "Judy Would" have!

TAM:)

[Skibum]

Ill be the first to admit. Yes Iv'e worked with USG (http://www.usg.com/)


LOL, I work with USG often also, funny thing is, I've used their products in many government buildings (including CIA headquarters, seriously). :D

[Horatius]

This is fascinating, and demonstrative. Your post was just 17 minutes after his. That's how long it took somebody to find a picture that perfectly debunked it.

So... why couldn't Ace find it? Photos of the impact aren't exactly hard to find on the internet.


Well, you have to remember: This is the guy who couldn't see the pile of debris at Ground Zero, and called it a "crater". You've got to make allowances for his obvious visual disabilities.


I think you're right, it's soot. Clearly my tax dollars are being used to supply this and other forums with research assistants such as Gravy, RMackey and AntiSophist. Thank you for all of your help, and keep it up!

Isn't it cute how he accuses others of being paid to post here, even though he himself goes out of the way to post here?

[realitybites]

Do you know Gravy, RMackey ro AntiSophist in real life?
I know Gravy. I know he doesn't get paid to post on this board. I know he goes down to Ground Zero of his own free-will to combat the ingorance and lies spread there by your movement. I know he bought a round of beers for Abby and I after a long day at GZ. I know he's one of the most down-to-earth, dedicated, and humble individuals I had the pleasure of meeting during my time in New York.

And I know he likes to sometimes put on his special pink boots and sing along to Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made For Walkin'" while doing a Texas two-step.

... Nobody's perfect.

[Skibum]

And I know he likes to sometimes put on his special pink boots and sing along to Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made For Walkin'" while doing a Texas two-step.

... Nobody's perfect.


What do you mean? I thought everyone likes to do that.

[Alareth]

TS:

What is wrong with you. You think these people are paid to do this? You have not one, not a single ounce of proof of this, yet you slander them, calling them govt shills, disinfo agents. Where do you get off doing this. I could have pointed out the soot to you as well, and I CAN GUARANTEE YOU that here in "middle of F&*K" nowhere in Canada, I AM NOT WORKING FOR THE USG or connected with them IN ANY WAY.

You truthers are such losers.

TAM:mad:

No No No! You are 100% wrong. TS1234 is not slandering them at all.

In print it's libel, not slander. ;)

[realitybites]

What do you mean? I thought everyone likes to do that.
Yeah, but.... wearing ONLY the pink boots?

[Skibum]

Yeah, but.... wearing ONLY the pink boots?



Nothing goes better with pink GoGo boots than, well, nothing.

[T.A.M.]

While I do not wear gogo boots of any color, i have been heard occasionally singing "Somewhere over the rainbow", albeit in alto.

TAM;)

[JimBenArm]

Hey, guys, I left myself logged in and my little brother got on the computer and said some things about how we were getting paid to post here. Obviously that's not true and I would never admit that.

EDIT: By "admit" I mean "incorrectly state something that isn't true at all in reality."
Well, if you used something besides "password" for your password, I never would have been able to log in as you, so it's your own fault.