Massachuesetts Is Going To Legalize Homosexual Marriages Today [Archive]

peptoabysmal

12th July 2003, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I love this crazy country of yours. One state has sodomy laws-in fact it's 2003 and the Supreme Court is dealing with the sodomy laws still - and the other one is legalizing homosexual marriages...

Right!

Cleo, the only constant in the US is change. We don't have a society that is 4000 years old and nothing has changed in the last 3000. We have the liberals who hate everything and want it changed all the time and the conservatives who hate everything and want it to stay the same :D Oops, sorry I'm drifting off course from my right-wing stance.

peptoabysmal

12th July 2003, 03:13 PM

One more thing, I've never been opposed to homosexual marriages, I couldn't care less, actually. I did hear an interesting statistic the other day on the radio. We all know the divorce rate is high in the US for heterosexuals. The average heterosexual marriage lasts around 10 years. The interesting bit I heard was that the average gay relationship lasts around 1.5 years.

No, I don't have any pointers to good data. I'm just saying what if the average gay marriage turns out to only last around 1.5 years, would you still consider gay marriage a good thing? (Providing you think it is a good thing now, of course).

Yahweh

12th July 2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I love this crazy country of yours. One state has sodomy laws-in fact it's 2003 and the Supreme Court is dealing with the sodomy laws still - and the other one is legalizing homosexual marriages...

Right!
We are a crazy bunch of people...

Its a good thing I dont have to take the responsibility of getting involved with any of the crap the Supreme Court deals with constantly... half of it is frivolous minor little discrepancies that have to be drawn out for months and months... I take 15 seconds to judge those cases and 10 times out of 10 the Supreme Court judges in kind (only months later)...

Cleopatra

12th July 2003, 03:50 PM

Peptoabysmal and Yahweh, I know what do you mean. Some things sound so crazy though, you must understand this...

Maybe it's just this Michael Moore's film I was watching earlier (Bowling for Columbine) and I was kind of amazed...

When I was living there, I didn't come across any extremes, I thought that USA was a great, normal country. Maybe it's the distance that magnifies things and feelings...

This ocean works a deforming mirror sometimes :)

Tricky

12th July 2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
One more thing, I've never been opposed to homosexual marriages, I couldn't care less, actually. I did hear an interesting statistic the other day on the radio. We all know the divorce rate is high in the US for heterosexuals. The average heterosexual marriage lasts around 10 years. The interesting bit I heard was that the average gay relationship lasts around 1.5 years.

No, I don't have any pointers to good data. I'm just saying what if the average gay marriage turns out to only last around 1.5 years, would you still consider gay marriage a good thing? (Providing you think it is a good thing now, of course).
Those are indeed interesting statistics, Pepto, but I wonder how different they would be if we included non-marital heterosexual relationships. Until I was married, I rarely had a relationship last more than two years. I think that is the nature of non-marital relationships, rather than an idictment of homosexual relationships.

Also, when I read the same statistics, I recall them noting that male homosexual relationships tend to be much shorter in duration than female ones. This may have something to do with the inconstant nature of the male sex. Even gay men are still men, and much more prone to wander than women. Put two of them in the same relationship and the chances are doubled.

(And thank you for saying "couldn't care less". People who say "I could care less" when they mean couldn't are the leading cause of tooth-grinding)

JAR

12th July 2003, 07:38 PM

JAR

12th July 2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Peptoabysmal and Yahweh, I know what do you mean. Some things sound so crazy though, you must understand this...

Maybe it's just this Michael Moore's film I was watching earlier (Bowling for Columbine) and I was kind of amazed...

When I was living there, I didn't come across any extremes, I thought that USA was a great, normal country. Maybe it's the distance that magnifies things and feelings...

This ocean works a deforming mirror sometimes :)
The fact that "Bowling for Columbine" won an academy award shows the problem with the Hollywood crowd. There are bunch of decadent communists who have much more money than they need and they go and squander it on things like enormous mansions, sports cars and Cuban cigars.

That's the ultimate irony. There are a lot of decadent show business communists in America who smoke expensive, illegal, and useless Cuban cigars. Think of what that money they spend on those cigars could be used for. If the communists ever take over, those Cuban cigar afficianados will be the first to be sent to concentration camps in Alaska which will be the equivalent of Russia's Siberia.

I don't mind if people are decadent as long as they don't tell me I should be ashamed of myself for not supporting things like affirmative action, forced integrated education, and attempts to give everyone equal opportunity.

peptoabysmal

12th July 2003, 07:55 PM

peptoabysmal

12th July 2003, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Tricky

Those are indeed interesting statistics, Pepto, but I wonder how different they would be if we included non-marital heterosexual relationships. Until I was married, I rarely had a relationship last more than two years. I think that is the nature of non-marital relationships, rather than an idictment of homosexual relationships.

Also, when I read the same statistics, I recall them noting that male homosexual relationships tend to be much shorter in duration than female ones. This may have something to do with the inconstant nature of the male sex. Even gay men are still men, and much more prone to wander than women. Put two of them in the same relationship and the chances are doubled.

(And thank you for saying "couldn't care less". People who say "I could care less" when they mean couldn't are the leading cause of tooth-grinding)

I wasn't saying I had any good statistics, just a "what-if". You bring up an interesting point about the difference between male and female homosexual relationships.

I wouldn't spend too much time with the wailing and gnashing of teeth over grammatical errors. For many Americans, English is a second language :wink:

Tricky

12th July 2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal

I wasn't saying I had any good statistics, just a "what-if". You bring up an interesting point about the difference between male and female homosexual relationships.
And a very interesting "what-if". But as for the statistics, I don't challenge them, other than to say it is unfair to compare heterosexual marriages to homosexual relationships. Most people I know have had at least five times as many relationships as they have marriages.

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
I wouldn't spend too much time with the wailing and gnashing of teeth over grammatical errors. For many Americans, English is a second language :wink:
Sadly true. It makes you wonder what our first language is. Scratching and grunting? :biggrin:

Fade

12th July 2003, 10:19 PM

The average heterosexual marriage lasts around 10 years. The interesting bit I heard was that the average gay relationship lasts around 1.5 years.

As others have stated, this is a very unfair comparison. Marriages tend to not have too many extreme lows. People don't get married, and then decide to break up two weeks later, it just isn't done that way. If one were to chart homosexual couples that lasted longer than, say, 3 years... one would probably find homo/heterosexual relationships on the whole last around the same amount of time.

JAR

12th July 2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
[snip]
The average heterosexual marriage lasts around 10 years.
[snip]
What is the world comin' to?

Tricky

13th July 2003, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Massachuesetts is going to legalize homosexual marriages (unions, whatever you want to call them) today, the 12th of July 2003. Using The Force, I anticipate the announcement to occur around 12 noon or so.

JK

P.S. This is not a psychic prediction. Psychics have nothing on The Force.
Well, the day is over and no announcement. There is a great disturbance in The Force.

Crossbow

13th July 2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Massachuesetts is going to legalize homosexual marriages (unions, whatever you want to call them) today, the 12th of July 2003. Using The Force, I anticipate the announcement to occur around 12 noon or so.

JK

P.S. This is not a psychic prediction. Psychics have nothing on The Force.

What happened JK?

Did you ask Empire to borrow the Death Star for a little while so you could destroy the governer's bill signing pen just as the bill was about to be signed.

:p

gnome

13th July 2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal

LOL

Michael Moore, now there's a commie. Where is Joseph McCarthy when you really need him?

Being praised by Ann Coulter, of course.

And by the way, inaccuracies in his works aside, is Michael Moore really a communist? I need something besides liberal=socialist=communist, which is totally fallacious anyway.

Jedi Knight

13th July 2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by gnome
I need something besides liberal=socialist=communist, which is totally fallacious anyway.

Those are not perjoratives--they are scientific terms to describe political ideology.

JK

KelvinG

13th July 2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by gnome

Being praised by Ann Coulter, of course.

And by the way, inaccuracies in his works aside, is Michael Moore really a communist? I need something besides liberal=socialist=communist, which is totally fallacious anyway.

It would seem for some on this board the term "commie" has been adopted as a catch-all phrase to describe anyone with leftist views.
It's a juvenile tatic meant to totally dismiss alternate points of view

Cleopatra

13th July 2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by JAR

I hope you didn't buy into the stuff in "Bowling for Columbine." Here's a link to a page that lists inaccuracies in the film: http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/bowling.htm

Whether " Bowling for Columbine" has inaccuracies or not ( I haven't checked the link you posted yet but I will) it shows clearly what is reflected in USA's legislation : a society that appears quite splitted regarding important aspects of life.

BTW You don't really believe that you have communists in the States...

JAR

13th July 2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
[snip]
BTW You don't really believe that you have communists in the States...
I do believe that there are communists in the U.S.

I know one. He told me that his father and his father's father are both communists also.

One time this communist I know said, "Come on guys, wouldn't it be easier if the government ran everything?"

The Fool

13th July 2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by JAR

I do believe that there are communists in the U.S.

I know one. He told me that his father and his father's father are both communists also.

One time this communist I know said, "Come on guys, wouldn't it be easier if the government ran everything?"
what do they look like....I'd like to be on the lookout.

peptoabysmal

13th July 2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra

Whether " Bowling for Columbine" has inaccuracies or not ( I haven't checked the link you posted yet but I will) it shows clearly what is reflected in USA's legislation : a society that appears quite splitted regarding important aspects of life.
I think that's the great thing about the U.S. When you have only one point of view making laws, that's when you are really in trouble, IMO.

BTW You don't really believe that you have communists in the States...

Yes, yes I do believe there are communists in the States. I don't really believe Michael Moore is a commie either, he's just a spoiled fat boy who thinks he can spout his poison anywhere, anytime.

JAR

13th July 2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by The Fool

what do they look like....I'd like to be on the lookout.
This communist I know is Jewish but he doesn't look characteristically Jewish. His nose isn't any bigger than mine is and he has red hair, blue eyes and freckles and he is skinny and kind of tall. He looks like a person from Scotland or Ireland.

I'm not arguing that communism is a Jewish thing. I have at least two other Jewish friends who hate communism. I had a Jewish friend in middle school and high school who loved republicans and hated democrats.

DialecticMaterialist

13th July 2003, 11:17 PM

You seem very excited about this news, Jedi. Do you have a certain special "Mr. Wonderful" in mind?

Yeah, JAR. It's blatantly obvious.

Jedi Knight

13th July 2003, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist

Yeah, JAR. It's blatantly obvious.

lol

JK

Jedi Knight

13th July 2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Tricky

Well, the day is over and no announcement. There is a great disturbance in The Force.

Just chill, hero. When has The Force ever been wrong? I may be a day or so off, but The Force is never wrong.

JK

Lothian

13th July 2003, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by JAR

This communist .... .. looks like a person from Scotland or Ireland.

Damn, I am surrounded by them. Wouldn't it be easier if all communists were forced to wear a hammer and sickle on their left lapel.

Tricky

14th July 2003, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Just chill, hero. When has The Force ever been wrong? I may be a day or so off, but The Force is never wrong.

A day or so? Okay, it is two days now. Are you going to behave like your idol, Dubya and keep trying to change your claims after the fact? The Force has a dark side too, you know. I am afraid it is you who are mistaken, my young Jedi, about a great many things.

(But thanks for recognizing my status as a hero:cool: )

Mr Manifesto

14th July 2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by JAR

I do believe that there are communists in the U.S.

I know one. He told me that his father and his father's father are both communists also.

One time this communist I know said, "Come on guys, wouldn't it be easier if the government ran everything?"
MWAH HA HAA! The Communists are coming and there is nothing you can do to stop us. First Hollywood, next Texas, then that great pizza shop in Philly, THEN THE WORLD!

renata

14th July 2003, 05:33 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/14/same.sex.marriages/index.html

The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts is expected to rule Monday morning on whether gay marriage should be legal in the state.

Seven same-sex couples have sued Massachusetts for denying them marriage licenses, arguing the state's constitution prohibits discrimination because of sex.
.....

The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that anti-sodomy laws are unconstitutional, and on June 10, an appeals court in the Canadian province of Ontario struck down a ban on same-sex marriage.

States determine marriage laws
In the United States, marriage laws are determined by states, and a number of states have passed laws forbidding gays from marrying, often also barring the recognition of a same-sex marriage performed in another state. The federal government's Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), while not an outright ban on gay marriage, declares that states are not required to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another state.

DOMA, passed by Congress in 1996, also effectively bars the federal government from recognizing same-sex unions by defining marriage as "a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife" and spouse as "a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife."

Among the plaintiffs in the Massachusetts case are Julie and Hillary Goodridge, women who have been a couple for 16 years. They are raising a daughter, Annie, who is 7 years old.

In Goodridge et al v. Department of Public Health, the Goodridges and six other couples seek recognition of their marriages.

Massachusetts Assistant Attorney General Judith Yogman argued the state's case before the court in March, saying the state wants to encourage the heterosexual model of marriage.

.....

Cleopatra

14th July 2003, 05:41 AM

Oh my God! Jedi Knight is the Prophet :eek:

Tricky

14th July 2003, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Oh my God! Jedi Knight is the Prophet :eek:

It was nice of Renata to post that link (which Jedi should have done). Still in order to be a prophet, the Mass. Court must rule in favor of legalizing gay unions. And they must do it by Saturday, July 12.

Cleopatra

14th July 2003, 05:54 AM

I am charmed and therefore blinded by the Prophet's radiating wisdom.

The Force will do better next time....

Tmy

14th July 2003, 06:26 AM

What part of the SUp Ct decision is being used to make the jump to legalize gay marriage???

I don't think the gender discrimintaion (aka "sex discrimination")alone will fly. After all "men" and "women" can get married. Both CAN NOT get married to the same sex. Wheres the gender discrimination?

If poligamy laws can make it past freedom of religion then the marriage laws should easily get passed this challange.

The gays should be careful what they wish for. With marriage comes its ugly cousin DIVORCE!!!

Skeptical Greg

14th July 2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Tricky

It was nice of Renata to post that link (which Jedi should have done). Still in order to be a prophet, the Mass. Court must rule in favor of legalizing gay unions. And they must do it by Saturday, July 12.

I don't think it happened...:(

I think JK needs to adapt the fool-proof prophecy technique of prophecying after the fact..

c0rbin

14th July 2003, 07:18 AM

On Micheal Moore,

he's just a spoiled fat boy

Ethics or no, it is my understanding that Micheal Moore made himself what he is from on low.

So he is a self-made man, unlike certain presidents I know.

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Oh my God! Jedi Knight is the Prophet :eek:

Thanks, Cleo. ;)

I am perhaps one of the best there is.

JK

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Tricky

It was nice of Renata to post that link (which Jedi should have done). Still in order to be a prophet, the Mass. Court must rule in favor of legalizing gay unions. And they must do it by Saturday, July 12.

That link didn't exist when I posted this thread. Also, the Mass court already ruled on it. That is why I gave you the inside info using The Force.

Don't worry, Tricky. I won't come after JREF's $million so relax. If I wanted it, I would have already come down to get it.

JK

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I am charmed and therefore blinded by the Prophet's radiating wisdom.

The Force will do better next time....

Hey Cleo where are you in the EU?

JK

Upchurch

14th July 2003, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Hey Cleo where are you in the EU? You don't know?:rr:

Tricky

14th July 2003, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
That link didn't exist when I posted this thread. Also, the Mass court already ruled on it. That is why I gave you the inside info using The Force.
Perhaps not, but I'm sure you read it somewhere. I don't think that the scheduled hearings of the Mass. Court are a deeply kept secret.

Your inside info also seems to know the outcome of the ruling, and based on the area of the country, you have a very good chance of being correct. Of course, since I am a commie-leftist-liberal-matriarchal-feminist, I hope you are correct, but even if the ruling goes against the couple, at least I will have the pleasure of taunting you. Thank you so much.

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Don't worry, Tricky. I won't come after JREF's $million so relax. If I wanted it, I would have already come down to get it.

So you are independantly wealthy? How did you manage that, given your meager education? Were you born into wealth? Did you get it by selling artifacts you looted from Iraq during your stay there?

But even if you don't need the money yourself, you could give it to a worthy charity. Perhaps the Ann Coulter home for disadvantaged millionaires.:roll:

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Tricky

Perhaps not, but I'm sure you read it somewhere. I don't think that the scheduled hearings of the Mass. Court are a deeply kept secret.

Your inside info also seems to know the outcome of the ruling, and based on the area of the country, you have a very good chance of being correct. Of course, since I am a commie-leftist-liberal-matriarchal-feminist, I hope you are correct, but even if the ruling goes against the couple, at least I will have the pleasure of taunting you. Thank you so much.

So you are independantly wealthy? How did you manage that, given your meager education? Were you born into wealth? Did you get it by selling artifacts you looted from Iraq during your stay there?

But even if you don't need the money yourself, you could give it to a worthy charity. Perhaps the Ann Coulter home for disadvantaged millionaires.:roll:

No, I am not independently wealthy. I could become very wealthy using The Force, but that is below me. I mean, if I did, then you guys would put a clock up on the front page of the website here lol.

I am not an extrovert prophet.

JK

Upchurch

14th July 2003, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I am not an extrovert prophet.Heh. well, that's half true.

Tricky

14th July 2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

No, I am not independently wealthy. I could become very wealthy using The Force, but that is below me. I mean, if I did, then you guys would put a clock up on the front page of the website here lol.

I am not an extrovert prophet.

Who says you would have to become wealthy? As I said, you could give the money away to any cause you choose. Surely you can think of some worthy charity. Or perhaps you could even pay for your honeymoon when you and Jar tie the knot in Massachusetts.
:rub:

Cleopatra

14th July 2003, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

No, I am not independently wealthy. I could become very wealthy using The Force, but that is below me. I mean, if I did, then you guys would put a clock up on the front page of the website here lol.

I am not an extrovert prophet.

JK

en passant...

Jedi Knight, I am not interested in wealth but in intellect and character....

Now. Between us two that we appreciate each other's charm... we both know that it was published somewhere... ;)

Don't challenge this despicable matriarchal feminist commie, Tricky, to reveal ...The Truth :)

gnome

14th July 2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
Yes, yes I do believe there are communists in the States. I don't really believe Michael Moore is a commie either, he's just a spoiled fat boy who thinks he can spout his poison anywhere, anytime.

Well... can't he? free country and all.

I'll give you consistency points if you're willing to say the same about Coulter.

(not that you need points from me.... yes here I am gnome the official scorekeeper :D )

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra

en passant...

Jedi Knight, I am not interested in wealth but in intellect and character....

Now. Between us two that we appreciate each other's charm... we both know that it was published somewhere... ;)

Don't challenge this despicable matriarchal feminist commie, Tricky, to reveal ...The Truth :)

If it was published somewhere, prove it. It wasn't anything I read about. I felt a tremor in The Force coming from MA. and then the answer came to me.

MA. already legislated homosexual marriages last week. I sensed it using The Force. Right now they are debating what the impact of their previous decision will be.

Never underestimate the power of The Force.

JK

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Tricky

Who says you would have to become wealthy? As I said, you could give the money away to any cause you choose. Surely you can think of some worthy charity. Or perhaps you could even pay for your honeymoon when you and Jar tie the knot in Massachusetts.
:rub:

I wouldn't know what to do with money. Money doesn't drive me. I am driven by information and The Force.

JK

renata

14th July 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

If it was published somewhere, prove it.(snip)

Well, JK's post was made July 11.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1209025.html

This article is dated 7/10.

Conservatives are bracing for another court ruling that could change the longstanding definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

Court watchers expect the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court to rule on Friday or Monday in a case seeking the right of homosexual couples to marry in the state.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=148-07092003

This article is dated 7/9

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., July 9 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A ruling could come in the next few days -- legal experts expect the decision to be released on Friday or Monday -- in the Goodridge v. Dept. of Public Health court case in Massachusetts. This historic decision has the potential to dismantle our culture's understanding of marriage by allowing same-sex couples to obtain marriage licenses in the state of Massachusetts -- and Focus on the Family stands ready to respond.

This decision could threaten marriage throughout the country with couples from other states marrying in Massachusetts only to return and challenge marriage laws in their home states.

Whereas I am not suggesting JK read these stories or any story, the fact is, before he made his first post there was news articles suggesting a ruling on this case was expected 7/11 or 7/14.

Bjorn

14th July 2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
If it was published somewhere, prove it. It wasn't anything I read about. I felt a tremor in The Force coming from MA. and then the answer came to me.From your favorite source, May 29, 2003:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32818

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court is hearing arguments in a case involving seven homosexual couples who are challenging that state's ban on same-sex marriages. Further, http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marr.htm a while ago stated this:

The Supreme Court of Massachusetts is expected to hand down a ruling on Monday, 2003-JUL-14. They may declare same-sex marriages legal in that state, making Massachusetts the second state in the U.S. to legalize same-sex marriage.
Never underestimate the power of The Force.Jedi, we accept that you can read. But how could you mix up the dates? :p

Jedi Knight

14th July 2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by renata

Well, JK's post was made July 11.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1209025.html

This article is dated 7/10.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=148-07092003

This article is dated 7/9

Whereas I am not suggesting JK read these stories or any story, the fact is, before he made his first post there was news articles suggesting a ruling on this case was expected 7/11 or 7/14.

I didn't read those articles but thanks for posting them.

The decision has already been made. There will be homosexual marriages approved in Massachusetts.

The Force is with me.

JK

Crossbow

14th July 2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

I wouldn't know what to do with money. Money doesn't drive me. I am driven by information and The Force.

JK

That is soooo sweeeeet!

:p

Crossbow

15th July 2003, 09:41 AM

What happened with your vaunted predictive powers young paddy-whack?

Is there still no place in the USA where two men and/or two women can get legally married?

:p

Victor Danilchenko

15th July 2003, 10:02 AM

Not yet. I've been following it (I live in MA), and our supremes simply put the decision off. Now nobody even knows if they will make a decision before the session ends...

Tricky

15th July 2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by renata

Well, JK's post was made July 11.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1209025.html

This article is dated 7/10.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=148-07092003

This article is dated 7/9

Whereas I am not suggesting JK read these stories or any story, the fact is, before he made his first post there was news articles suggesting a ruling on this case was expected 7/11 or 7/14.
...and another day passes without any word from the great Northeast. Methinks the vaunted predictive powers of the Jedi are vastly overrated. Perhaps he believes that if it EVER comes true, then he still gets credit, but that is just an old Jedi mind trick. It only works on simple-minded individuals.

Crossbow

15th July 2003, 10:56 AM

According to my highly unoffical scoring, I would say the game record is 5 and 0.

AForce1: I can predict the outcome of boxing matches.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

ICanTakePicturesofDemons: I can take photos of space aliens and demons.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

Edge: I can accurately dowse for gold.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

Paul Belthke: I can make dozens of people all over the world go blind all at the same time.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

Jedi Knight: I can accurately profile snipers and predict the outcome of court decisions.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

I wonder if any of the non-skeptics notice a pattern here?

Tricky

15th July 2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Crossbow
According to my highly unoffical scoring, I would say the game record is 5 and 0.

AForce1: I can predict the outcome of boxing matches.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

ICanTakePicturesofDemons: I can take photos of space aliens and demons.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

Edge: I can accurately dowse for gold.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

Paul Belthke: I can make dozens of people all over the world go blind all at the same time.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

Jedi Knight: I can accurately predict the outcome of court decisions.
Your attempts to demonstrate your claim have always failed, therefore I conclude that you are unable to fulfill your claim.

I wonder if any of the non-skeptics notice a pattern here?
Don't forget

Agur: I can make it rain, cure baldness and a host of other diseases.

Lucianarchy: I can predict the outcome of the lottery.

Crossbow

15th July 2003, 11:11 AM

Thanks for the correction Tricky!

You are H*lla Cool!

:)

Tricky

15th July 2003, 11:13 AM

And lest we forget this gem... (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=195066&highlight=sniper+hunting+thrives#post195066)
Originally posted by Jedi Knight 10-8-2002
I did my own profile of the sniper, based on published reports of the target areas and other limited information the leftist US media threw out there for the non-person public to consume. Here is what I came up with:

Sniper is a white male aged 25 - 40, approximately 5' 8" to 6' tall, weight 160 - 180 pounds.

Crossbow

15th July 2003, 11:17 AM

Thanks again Tricky!

You are right, I forget about that gem as well.

Psst: maybe someone is using that old Jedi Mind Trick on him!

Jedi Knight

15th July 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Tricky
And lest we forget this gem... (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=195066&highlight=sniper+hunting+thrives#post195066)

Yeah but that was to build up the deception of the media's coverup of the real shooters. I knew as soon as the media reported that it was a pair of males and they didn't say they were white that they were non-white. It is how the media operates. Also, you must admit, that thread was a very popular one.

My threads teach people how to think and once Jedi gets inside your head you can never get him out. :D

Now, getting back to this topic, I keep telling you the decision has already been made. I learned of it using The Force. The delay is about infighting but it will not stop the new oligarchy that is fixing to legislate their version of morality on the rest of America. It is all about aligning with European socialist governments. That is what our courts do now.

Stay tuned, hero. If I am wrong about this, I won't post on the forum for a month from the day of the announcement.

I am right. I am always right. Massachusetts is going to legalize gay marriage and legislate it through the courts. (even though that is illegal they will do it because the legislatures, both state and federal, don't matter to the judicial oligarchs anymore).

If I am wrong, I won't post for a month from the date of the decision. If I am right, I won't demand any of you mundanes recognize me as the most powerful prophet on Earth today (even though I am--just ask Cleopatra).

JK

Cleopatra

15th July 2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

My threads teach people how to think and once Jedi gets inside your head you can never get him out. :D

JK

This is true, although I am kinda of disappointed with the way you took care of the whole issue... I tried to warn you that it was published before you posted about it but you reacted in a typical male insecure way...You started the : " Prove it" stupidities...

You kinda ridiculed the Force with your attitude, you know...when will you start trusting the members of the matriarchal totalitarian society... this "totalitarian" brings us more close than you think...

The Force is totalitarian, we are totalitarian.... there you go!

Let's pretend that such accidents happen to really passionate men like you...

Tricky

16th July 2003, 09:29 AM

Tmy

16th July 2003, 09:37 AM

Isnt the Force a munch of microbes working together to give the greater whole super powers..............aka COMMUNISM!!!!

Jedi is a commie!!

Cleopatra

16th July 2003, 11:12 AM

Hey! Don't tease him ... :)

Tricky

16th July 2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Hey! Don't tease him ... :)
Sorry. Union rules require at least one taunt per day, my beloved

Hundred-lion-Irishman-sungod.

Bjorn

16th July 2003, 04:50 PM

Jedi
When has The Force ever been wrong? I may be a day or so off, but The Force is never wrong. A day or so?

The court has extended the time frame for the ruling, according to the leftist commie homonazi Baptist Press news (http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=16293):

"[The deadline] can be waived in cases in which the justices need more time," Supreme Judicial Court spokeswoman Joan Kenney told AP. "It could be days or weeks or months."

She added that there is no guarantee that the court will rule on the matter before its next term begins in September.Jedi
If I am wrong, I won't post for a month from the date of the decision. I haven't seen Jedi today, did he start his month off already? :p

Tricky

16th July 2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Bjorn
Jedi
I haven't seen Jedi today, did he start his month off already? :p
I think it's just cramps at this point.

Cleopatra

16th July 2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Tricky

Sorry. Union rules require at least one taunt per day, my beloved

Jedi!!! Come here to defend yourself:jedi:

If you don't appear today, then " The Matriarchal Totalitarian Society" will have to defend your honour...

Craig

17th July 2003, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by JAR
He looks like a person from Scotland or Ireland.

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif

Talk about being specific.

I'm sure you'll be able to describe what a person from Scotland or Ireland looks like, yes?

Jedi Knight

17th July 2003, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra

Jedi!!! Come here to defend yourself:jedi:

If you don't appear today, then " The Matriarchal Totalitarian Society" will have to defend your honour...

I am right here. ;)

JK

Tricky

17th July 2003, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Craig

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif

Talk about being specific.

I'm sure you'll be able to describe what a person from Scotland or Ireland looks like, yes?
Sorta like your avatar, I'd guess.;)

Cleopatra

17th July 2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

I am right here. ;)

JK

Tricky , you commie, you are History now. You shouldn't question The Force, I am certain that Jedi has the perfect explanation!
http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/1037816576.gif

Mendor

17th July 2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Craig
I'm sure you'll be able to describe what a person from Scotland or Ireland looks like, yes? Well, he did, didn't he?Originally posted by JAR
He has red hair, blue eyes and freckles and he is skinny and kind of tall.Mendor (blond-haired, freckle-less, chubby, short Scotsman... though I do have the blue eyes, I'll give him that)

Tricky

17th July 2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra

Tricky , you commie, you are History now. You shouldn't question The Force, I am certain that Jedi has the perfect explanation!
http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/1037816576.gif
I guess I am doomed then. I hope he will give me a chance to say goodbye to my comrades... er... friends.
:th:

E.J.Armstrong

19th July 2003, 01:56 PM

originally posted by Cleopatra
You shouldn't question The Farce, ...
I may have got a letter wrong there somewhere but damned if I can find it.

I notice that the Farce has not expressed a clear opinion about homosexuality on this thread. Could that explain his well known misogynism (could be a few missing letters in that one)?

E.J.Armstrong

19th July 2003, 02:05 PM

originally posted by JAR
I hope you didn't buy into the stuff in "Bowling for Columbine." Here's a link to a page that lists inaccuracies in the film: http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/bowling.htm
I notice that the author of that link didn't identify him/her/itself. I guess that tells us how much credence to give it. Sort of like declaring somebody is a bad person before they've even been put on secret trial. Ah, Bush justice.

Cleopatra

19th July 2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

I may have got a letter wrong there somewhere but damned if I can find it.

I notice that the Farce has not expressed a clear opinion about homosexuality on this thread. Could that explain his well known misogynism (could be a few missing letters in that one)?

Well... it took my a while to come back to my senses after seing Jedi's new spiritual avatar... this image is so him. It radiates this particular kind of charm one can find only in white hair...my innocent heart is in real danger now... http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/1033813103.gif

I think that accidentaly, I introduced a new slogan, The Force that is a Farce...

Thanks for noticing!

JAR

19th July 2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

I notice that the author of that link didn't identify him/her/itself. I guess that tells us how much credence to give it. Sort of like declaring somebody is a bad person before they've even been put on secret trial. Ah, Bush justice.
Here's a list of pages for you to look at that talk about the Bowling for Columbine's inaccuracies.

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2398
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html
http://www.francestinks.com/bowling_for_bs.htm
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/print.php?artnum=20021208

E.J.Armstrong

19th July 2003, 06:50 PM

Just one point, the second link you give here statesFact: At Denver, the NRA canceled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members' meeting; that could not be cancelled because corporate law required that it be held. [No way to change location, since you have to give advance notice of that to the members, and there were upwards of 4,000,000 members.] Interestingly this particular fact is factually incorrect if you believe the material posted on the link. Another meeting other than the annual convention meeting was held. No confirmation of the corporate law point appears to be included on the link and Heston confirmed that he was going to give a major speech at the meeting.

Your initial link (without an author) repeats the factual inaccuracy mentioned above.

E.J.Armstrong

19th July 2003, 06:52 PM

originally posted by CleopatraI think that accidentaly, I introduced a new slogan, The Force that is a Farce...

Thanks for noticing!...

Sorry I hadn't but apologies for infringing your patent. I would make a point about greart minds here normally but for fear of the farce misintepretating it .....I won't.

Jedi Knight

19th July 2003, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra

Well... it took my a while to come back to my senses after seing Jedi's new spiritual avatar... this image is so him. It radiates this particular kind of charm one can find only in white hair...my innocent heart is in real danger now... http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/1033813103.gif

I think that accidentaly, I introduced a new slogan, The Force that is a Farce...

Thanks for noticing!

Having a midol moment?

JK

Jedi Knight

19th July 2003, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

Sorry I hadn't but apologies for infringing your patent. I would make a point about greart minds here normally but for fear of the farce misintepretating it .....I won't.

Have another drink, you bum.

JK

E.J.Armstrong

21st July 2003, 02:05 AM

originally posted by Jedi Knight
Have another drink, you bum.

Is that rude?

Tricky

21st July 2003, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

Is that rude?
I think it was intended to be, but unfortunately Jedi is no better at insults than he is at predicting the future or admitting error.

Cleopatra

21st July 2003, 09:15 AM

Jedi might appear inadequate in many things indeed but it's obvious that his inadequacy is psychologically connected with his inability to deal with the administration of The Farce ...

He consumes all of his energy in choosing avatars...

It happens... :)

Jedi Knight

21st July 2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Jedi might appear inadequate in many things indeed but it's obvious that his inadequacy is psychologically connected with his inability to deal with the administration of The Farce ...

He consumes all of his energy in choosing avatars...

It happens... :)

I will be proven right. Just wait.

Then all of you can shine my shoes.

JK

Upchurch

21st July 2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

I will be proven right. Just wait.
I'm guessing about the ruling rather than the timing, which you've already missed by, what, a week now?

Tricky

21st July 2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I will be proven right. Just wait.

Um... you can't be proven right, Jedi, unless you are able to turn back time. You said:

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Massachuesetts is going to legalize homosexual marriages (unions, whatever you want to call them) today, the 12th of July 2003. Using The Force, I anticipate the announcement to occur around 12 noon or so.

That date is past. You were wrong. Nothing can ever change that.

Then all of you can shine my shoes.

Don't shoes kind of hinder the effectiveness of your prehensile feet?

Jedi Knight

21st July 2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Upchurch
I'm guessing about the ruling rather than the timing, which you've already missed by, what, a week now?

The decision was already made. Just because they haven't released it yet doesn't mean it wasn't decided. It was. The delay is simply a process to make it look like it was a 'hard' decision they had to deal with that took a lot of effort and debate.

It is laughable but true. The decision is made and now they are simply in the marketing phase of that decision.

JK

Jedi Knight

21st July 2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Tricky

Um... you can't be proven right, Jedi, unless you are able to turn back time. You said:

That date is past. You were wrong. Nothing can ever change that.

Don't shoes kind of hinder the effectiveness of your prehensile feet?

Oh, I am right, and timing doesn't matter.

JK

Crossbow

21st July 2003, 10:22 AM

Posted today by Jedi Knight

I will be proven right. Just wait.

Then all of you can shine my shoes.

JK

Shine your shoes? No way hero!

However, however here is yet another JK gem.

Posted July 15, 2003 by Jedi Knight

Yeah but that was to build up the deception of the media's coverup of the real shooters. I knew as soon as the media reported that it was a pair of males and they didn't say they were white that they were non-white. It is how the media operates. Also, you must admit, that thread was a very popular one.

My threads teach people how to think and once Jedi gets inside your head you can never get him out.

Now, getting back to this topic, I keep telling you the decision has already been made. I learned of it using The Force. The delay is about infighting but it will not stop the new oligarchy that is fixing to legislate their version of morality on the rest of America. It is all about aligning with European socialist governments. That is what our courts do now.

Stay tuned, hero. If I am wrong about this, I won't post on the forum for a month from the day of the announcement.

I am right. I am always right. Massachusetts is going to legalize gay marriage and legislate it through the courts. (even though that is illegal they will do it because the legislatures, both state and federal, don't matter to the judicial oligarchs anymore).

If I am wrong, I won't post for a month from the date of the decision. If I am right, I won't demand any of you mundanes recognize me as the most powerful prophet on Earth today (even though I am--just ask Cleopatra).

JK

E.J.Armstrong

23rd July 2003, 11:13 AM

originally posted by Jedi Knight
The decision was already made.

For someone who normally loves to tell the world what he 'thinks' Jedi seems to be very, very reticent about telling us what he 'thinks' about this 'decision'. I wonder why? Perhaps he doesn't actually have a 'thought' about it for once?

Bjorn

23rd July 2003, 04:38 PM

It seems like the 'prediction' is now down to Massachuesetts is going to legalize homosexual marriages, and no special timeline is necessary to 'be right'.

OK, I'll support Jedi on this one:

I hereby predict that Massachuesetts is going to legalize homosexual marriages one day. If I'm proven wrong, I will never, ever post anymore on an online forum, I will give 100% of my salary to the Catholic Church for the rest of my life and I will run naked around the White House until the First Lady personally asks me to stop.

See, Jedi - it's simple if you can make your own rules. Foolishly simple, some would say. :con2:

aerocontrols

23rd July 2003, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

I notice that the author of that link didn't identify him/her/itself. I guess that tells us how much credence to give it. Sort of like declaring somebody is a bad person before they've even been put on secret trial. Ah, Bush justice.

Many people do not put their names on every page of their website. I suggest, if you wish to know the man's name, that you move upwards one folder. (http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/)

That should help, I hope.

MattJ

The Fool

23rd July 2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Stay tuned, hero. If I am wrong about this, I won't post on the forum for a month from the day of the announcement.

JK
what is it with trolls and grand theatrical exits? How many grand exits has it been so far...2? 3? 4? I have lost count.

If I was to claim the sun will be green tomorrow and when it comes up it is not green. Am I right or wrong?If I then claim that the sun has actually decided to turn green but is waiting for an un-named future date to do it......am I any less wrong? What a joke. One of your best.

Upchurch

24th July 2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Bjorn
See, Jedi - it's simple if you can make your own rules. Foolishly simple, some would say. It's even easier when you can change the rules after you've started the game...

Cleopatra

24th July 2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by aerocontrols

Many people do not put their names on every page of their website. I suggest, if you wish to know the man's name, that you move upwards one folder. (http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/)

That should help, I hope.

MattJ

Anonymous or not, in fact if E.J.Armstrong didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it, his arguments are weak or at least, they are not strong enough to prove that Moore lies.

Personally, when I saw the movie, I didn't stick on the facts or details, what I kept was the impression that he was talking about a violent and split country, something that, as I mentioned before, reflects clearly on its legislation.

renata

24th July 2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra

Anonymous or not, in fact if E.J.Armstrong didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it, his arguments are weak or at least, they are not strong enough to prove that Moore lies.

Personally, when I saw the movie, I didn't stick on the facts or details, what I kept was the impression that he was talking about a violent and split country, something that, as I mentioned before, reflects clearly on its legislation.

May I recommend www.spinsanity.org? It is a fairly neutral site, which calls itself "The nation's leading watchdog of manipulative political rhetoric. " I find it criticizes all parties and personalities, and is well researched and quite fair.

You can do a search for Michael Moore on that site, they had several columns about him and the movie.

Cleopatra

24th July 2003, 03:05 PM

I certainly will because I am very much interested.Thanks!

It's only one thing that I'd like to know if it was true in the movie though.

Had NRA organized an event after the tragedy in Columbine?

renata

24th July 2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I certainly will because I am very much interested.Thanks!

It's only one thing that I'd like to know if it was true in the movie though.

Had NRA organized an event after the tragedy in Columbine?

There was an interesting analysis about that very issue by RichardR. I will refer you to that thread for details, as the answer is not simple yes or no.

http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16944

E.J.Armstrong

26th July 2003, 04:28 AM

originally posted by Aerocontrols
Many people do not put their names on every page of their website. I suggest, if you wish to know the man's name, that you move upwards one folder.
Thank you for that. I notice that he is a professional philospher. One of his claimed facts is

Many of Moore’s figures appear to be invented.
While he supplies some figures I would have thought that a professional philosopher might recognise the need to define and properly justify all the figures he is talking about, particularly when attacking another's factual accuracy.

On another matter the professional philosopher claims as one of his facts that
The NRA canceled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members’ meeting, which corporate law required to be held.

Interestingly this seems to be contradicted by the NRA itself as follows. From one of his own links http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0422nra3.shtml

In a letter to NRA members Wednesday, President Charlton Heston and the group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, said all seminars, workshops, luncheons, exhibits by gun makers and other vendors, and festivities are canceled.

All that's left is a members' reception with Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Okla., and the annual meeting, set for 10 a.m. May 1 in the Colorado Convention Center.

It seems that both the professional philospher who believes in the prima facie right to own guns (see his website) and the film he criticises may not have all the facts correct.

In relation to US aid to extremists in Afghanistan the following comes form http://peaceworks.missouri.org/monitor/2001/novdec/blowback.html
Furthermore, the CIA collaborated with Pakistan's ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) to recruit radical Muslims from around the world to fight in the campaign against the Soviets. Between 1982 and 1992, more than 35,000 Islamic radicals from 43 countries came to Afghanistan to study, train and fight together. This collection of extremists organized by the CIA and ISI would establish the links for the terror being waged against the West today.

According to Samuel Huntington, director of Harvard's Institute for Strategic Studies, “The war left behind an uneasy coalition of Islamist organizations intent on promoting Islam against all non-Muslim forces. It also left a legacy of expert and experienced fighters, training camps and logistical facilities, elaborate trans-Islam networks of personal and organizational relationships, a substantial amount of military equipment, including 300 to 500 unaccounted for Stinger missiles, and, most important, a heady sense of power and self-confidence over what had been achieved and a driving desire to move on to other victories.” One of these foreign recruits was Osama bin Laden.

subgenius

27th July 2003, 01:35 AM

In memoriam:
Are gay marriages legal yet? On Mars maybe?

Crossbow

28th July 2003, 05:06 AM

Yeah, I never thought about that either:

Martian Gay Marriages.

The Martian Supreme Court has over-ruled the Martian Congress and now all adult Martian citizens are allowed to marry regardless of gender.

Luke Skywalker and Han Solo celebrated by announcing their engangement with Chewbacca acting as flower girl. Jerry Lightsabre Falwell, leader of the Martian Moral Majority, stomped out of the courthouse, retreated to a discreet distance, and began praying for a Death Star to come along and destroy the courthouse building.

....

Ha! Ha!