New debunking site: ThePentaCON.INFO

[WilliamSeger]

This new site at http://ThePentaCON.INFO (http://thepentacon.info/) will be devoted specifically to debunking the theory advanced by Lyte Trip and the "Citizen Investigation Team" at thepentacon.com. (I have also created a forum at http://s6.invisionfree.com/ThePentaCON )

Over the next few days, while waiting for the "smoking gun" video to be released, I will be compiling the evidence that ThePentaCON theory asks us to believe has been faked. I welcome any help with that effort, or if you have any suggestions about the direction of this new site, please post them in this thread.

Lyte Trip provided a partial transcript of the argument that the video will use to convince people that the testimony of 4 witnesses should be sufficient to prove that all the other witnesses are either part of the conspiracy, under the influence of "mind control," or just aren't very observant (and that a huge amount of physical evidence has been faked):


1) The high level of corroboration from independent accounts.

(we will present 4 separate accounts all corroborating each other while not being contradicted by a single other witness in the entire investigative body of evidence.)

2) The simple right or left nature of their claim.

(They only have to recall what side of the building the plane flew)

3) The perfect vantage point.

(No other witnesses were in a better position to tell on what side of the station the plane flew then the witnesses that were on the station’s property)

4) The high level of credibility of the witnesses themselves.

(The reason for this will be apparent when the identities of the witnesses are revealed.)

5) The fact that their testimony was filmed on location.

(This leaves zero room for misinterpretation of their claims as they are able to re-enact their experience for the camera)

6) The extreme magnitude of the event being something that is virtually impossible to forget.

Number 6 is an important one. Ask yourself where you were on 9/11. Virtually everyone remembers in detail where they were, what they did, and how they felt on that day. Now imagine you were on the CITGO station property just a few feet away from the plane with a perfect view of the Pentagon. Does it seem feasible that you could be completely mistaken as to what side of the station the plane flew? Regardless of how you answer that question none of the witnesses we spoke with believe there is a remote possibility they could be mistaken in this regard. Since the alleged credibility of the "north of the Citgo" path is apparently the centerpiece of the video, I would like to have a page that specifically addresses these six points concisely and convincingly. Please post your best argument against any one or all of these points.

[JAStewart]

just one tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny little thing:

Although this film has not yet been released, a great deal ia already known about the contents

otherwise - awesome!

[boloboffin]

Looking good so far.

The easiest one will be number one. The testimony of these four people, as interpreted by the CIT, contradicts every bit of testimony about people who saw the planes hit the light posts.

[jhunter1163]

Quote:

withnesses on all sides of the building failed to notice the alleged fly-over;

Bolding mine: word should be "witnesses".

But still, an excellent start. No doubt will be an important debunking resource once Tripe Lip's opus is released.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

1) The high level of corroboration from independent accounts.

(we will present 4 separate accounts all corroborating each other while not being contradicted by a single other witness in the entire investigative body of evidence.)
This may be technically true regarding the central claim he's trying to make ("These people claim Flight 77 passed north, not south, of the CITGO station."). The problem here is his own extrapolation of the witness accounts, which does contradict every "single other witness in the entire investigative body of evidence".

[alexg]

I checked out the web page and the board and 'merc' has already signed up and made a post threatening litagation against the owner. "remove the site and this board or face litigation' he says.

[Matthew Best]

Man, that's funny!

[LashL]

Great idea, WilliamSeger, and great work so far!

I have to say that Merc threatening litigation strikes me as pretty funny. I mean, that would require hiring a lawyer, after all. And lawyers are all gubmint shills, aren't they? All part of the grand conspiracy to hide the real Troof from the masses, aren't they?

:dl:

[JAStewart]

haha. Merc.

What? they're debunking us? sue them!

[WilliamSeger]

I checked out the web page and the board and 'merc' has already signed up and made a post threatening litagation against the owner. "remove the site and this board or face litigation' he says.

I certainly hope that all their DVD profits don't get eaten up in legal fees. :boxedin:

[boloboffin]

Well, they do want a viral spread of this documentary. A SLAP lawsuit would be great publicity.

Of course, you might want to include a paragraph stating the express purpose of parodying the original website in form while debunking its ludicrous claims factually and with great mirth.

[Bobert]

LOL!!!
BOO HOO HOO we will sue you!!
BOO HOO HOO
Merc, grow a pair buddy!

[A W Smith]

howcome some have unregistered?

[R.Mackey]

I checked out the web page and the board and 'merc' has already signed up and made a post threatening litagation against the owner. "remove the site and this board or face litigation' he says.

I had wondered whether this was a wasted effort, given Lyte Step-- er, sorry, I mean Lyte Trip's inability to deliver after months and months and MONTHS of running his mouth.

However, this bit of comedy alone makes it all worthwhile...

I wonder what he believes he can sue you for, anyway?

[Coritani]

I checked out the web page and the board and 'merc' has already signed up and made a post threatening litagation against the owner. "remove the site and this board or face litigation' he says.

"How dare you prove us wrong!"

[Alareth]

Wow, Merc is your top board member. The most topics started and the most replies.

A+ for board participation. You should make him a mod or something ;)

[A W Smith]

HAHAA the jerk thought I threatened him when I said now that he knows what I look like perhaps we could meet up at ground zero.

Paranoia anyone?

[Alareth]

Wait, hopefully he will sue. If only because it would require him to crawl out from behind the internet anonymity shield. Any legal document would have his real name.

[Anti-sophist]

Within an hour of being laughed at for this comment, he's changed his tune to being "flattered". This was just another hilariously immature childlike reaction. If he had a ball, he'd take it with him on his way home.

[Coritani]

I've just been reading through the forum and man, Merc is a hell of a crybaby!

[Bobert]

Jesus Merc is a true psycho. He and Lyte are perfect for each other.

[MarkyX]

Jesus Merc is a true psycho. He and Lyte are perfect for each other.

At first I found it somewhat amusing that Merc wanted to find out where I live, like a stalker.

But he has been upgraded to a ****ing psycho after seeing this.

[Anti-sophist]

I ain't Lyte, but I will do something to help protect my friend and colleague.

You're going to regret it. Don't forget we have your info too pal.

Think about your kid or family or whatever and grow the hell up.

http://z6.invisionfree.com/ThePentaCON/index.php?showtopic=1&st=30

[A W Smith]

OMG its so amusing over there. He sounds like hes off his meds. Im watching a train wreck in progress. Shame hes on the west coast. Id like to see him at gz, get into a debate with someone and see his mind snap. Caught on tape!

[greyleonard]

If only this kind of thing was happening during Loose Change's 'production'...

Oh, wait. Loose Change isn't finished either.

[Brainache]

I'm not the first to say it, but I think the term for this is "Prebunking".

Can anyone tell me who April Gallop is?

[greyleonard]

I'm not the first to say it, but I think the term for this is "Prebunking".

Can anyone tell me who April Gallop is?

"Prebunking" Right on.

April Gallop worked at the Pentagon and said she didn't want the hijackers to be listed alongside innocent victims (http://www.dartcenter.org/articles/oped/2004_09_17a.html) on the passenger lists.
CTists ignore that part of her story, and only cite her initial impression of the plane impact as being a bomb (http://forums.randi.org/watch%20was%20stopped%20by%20the%20violent%20event %20at%20the%20Pentagon%20shortly%20after%209:30,%2 0says%20that%20her%20military%20training%20and%20e xperience%20led%20her%20to%20immediately%20determi ne%20the%20source%20of%20the%20initial%20explosion %20was%20a%20bomb.).

I'm really not that familiar with April's story, but want to point out that there are many people who work in the Pentagon building who aren't privy to top secret info. Iow, secretaries, cooks, pc techs, etc.
CTists have the impression that "The Pentagon" is some secret society or something, but as the movie Clerks inadvertently pointed out, the place was full of regular people.

[JAStewart]

I reported a post by merc to InvasionFree =)

[Calcas]

I'm not the first to say it, but I think the term for this is "Prebunking".

Can anyone tell me who April Gallop is?
I believe she was a Pentagon employee (very low level) who was supposedly "told" during her orientation that there was a missile battery at the Pentagon. Of course, no one has claimed to have seen it. NOT A SINGLE PERSON.

But, with the crack citizen investigation team, that obviously "proves" it, does it not?

[CptColumbo]

Since the site has a forum, hopefully it will keep Lyte trip busy enough that he won't be able to finish the movie. I never seen someone spend so much time typing "nah-uh." Except maybe Christophera.

[jhunter1163]

That's Citizens High-Level Investigation Team, or CHIT for short.