Political Make up of the Conspiracy Forum

[William Rea]

I am intruiged by the political make up of this forum so I have raised a poll to get a benchmark.

I have kept the categories relatively broad so I'm sure most people will be able to fit theirselves in somewhere.

I don't know if these polls are anonymous but I am not interested in individuals anyway, just the general leanings of the forum.

[Unsecured Coins]

if it helps... I write my name on every ballot during presidential elections

[JimBenArm]

You want politics, go elsewhere. My political leanings are none of your business, so fugitaboudit.

[Oliver]

I can't vote. It's no multi-choice poll... :(

[Dave Rogers]

This isn't an easy one to reply to. I'm a liberal in Britain, which tends to mean something along the lines of a centrist, to the left of the Conservative party and far to the left of New Labour. However, in the USA the word appears to mean something different, at least when spoken by right wing commentators in a particular tone of voice. Any idea how that translates?

Dave

[Brainache]

I don't know your definition of someone like me. I don't think I fit any of your categories.

[Oliver]

I am intruiged by the political make up of this forum so I have raised a poll to get a benchmark.

I have kept the categories relatively broad so I'm sure most people will be able to fit theirselves in somewhere.

I don't know if these polls are anonymous but I am not interested in individuals anyway, just the general leanings of the forum.

I don't even know what "political make up" you're talking
about. The 9/11 issue is a political one, too. So there are
blurred lines between politics and CT's. But what i really
can't understand is why the Holocaust is an issue in here.
Could someone sum up the conspiracy theorie about it?

[Alt+F4]

I don't know your definition of someone like me. I don't think I fit any of your categories.

Me either, but I don't mind telling people my politics. I'm American, I don't belong to any political party but I vote democratic 90% of the time. Above all, I'm a Bush-hater.

[defaultdotxbe]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-0.13&soc=-0.21

[Bobert]

I will not reveal my political leanings but I am currently hanging to the left if that helps.

[Totovader]

I will not reveal my political leanings but I am currently hanging to the left if that helps.

I've heard that if you tuck it to the right- and alternate every other day- it helps...

[Anti-sophist]

Uhm, what is the difference between a libertarian and a "fiscal conservative, social libertarian".

As best as I can tell, true libertarians are very fisically conservative (in the American sense of the term).

[Brainster]

Uhm, what is the difference between a libertarian and a "fiscal conservative, social libertarian".

Foreign policy. I have nothing to do with libertarians on that issue.

[jaydeehess]

In Canada I usually vote for the Liberal Party but have in the past voted For the Conservative Party and once in a while even for the New Democratic Party


I have no friggin idea how that fits your poll.

[David Wong]

We've got two votes right now for "Fascist."

I was wondering who the other one was.

[Brainache]

OK anyway here's me: I generally vote Labor and spread my preferences between The Greens and The Democrats, making sure I always put the Liberal Party last. That counts for State and Federal elections, Upper and Lower houses of Parliament.

Does that make any sense to you Mr W. Rea?

[The Silver Shadow]

Universally, I'm liberal with some conservative tendencies...

[T.A.M.]

In general I am a Liberal, with left leanings on a number of areas. However, In certain areas I am what might be called "conservative".

TAM:)

[Pardalis]

Me too, it depends on the issues and even sometimes it depends on the day, somedays I'm more liberal, somedays more conservative. :o

[stilicho]

We've got two votes right now for "Fascist."

I was wondering who the other one was.
That would be me. I don't know whether I am more a fiscal fascist, a Premonstratensian monetist, or merely a pecuniary baboon.

I am a strong supporter of the MLB Hall Of Fame voting scheme. If no candidate gets mentioned on 3/4 of the ballots then nobody gets the job. Not only that, but Ron Santo might make it into the White House before he goes to Cooperstown.

[Firestone]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnairehttp://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-0.63&soc=-4.77

[Dog Town]

c.rock/ What ever happened... to just CRAZY? /c.rock

I didn't like my choices. See above.

ETA: Oops thought you were asking about twoofer politics. Leaving it up , cuz I like it,but...
Me, fiscal conserve, social dem...to a point! Like a strong military, big stick, and all...

[Panoply_Prefect]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-0.13&soc=-0.21

I was just centimeters from Ghandi...

Cheers,
SLOB

[greyleonard]

I was just centimeters from Ghandi...

You were browsing with your cell phone? ;)

[greyleonard]

I've heard that if you tuck it to the right- and alternate every other day- it helps...

Alternate what?
If he's right-handed and at least a few years past puberty, the direction it hangs is a done deal.

[TobiasTheViking]

Hm, nothing that fit me. So i chose socialist.

[Panoply_Prefect]

You were browsing with your cell phone? ;)

Ah bollocks I meant millimeters. That would make me a "leftist libertarian"

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

I'd make a lousy neo-con.

EDIT: Oh, and when I scrolled down I found myself between Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama... I cant be that bad then,
SLOB

[The_Fire]

As a Dane with a multi party system which isn't REMOTELY covered by the above poll, I find myself unable to answer that question. Besides: None of your business.

[greyleonard]

Ah bollocks I meant millimeters. That would make me a "leftist libertarian"

Heheh, just kidding.

I don't care for these kinds of categories; who is on the left of the line and who is on the right.
I prefer to be ahead of the line, drawing it forward. Progressive, iow.

[Gravy]

I am intruiged by the political make up of this forum so I have raised a poll to get a benchmark.William, what makes you think this type of poll will give you an accurate benchmark of the "political make up" of this JREF subforum?

[William Rea]

I don't know your definition of someone like me. I don't think I fit any of your categories.

It's not my definition that counts, if you don't feel you personally fit into any of the categories then don't vote.

[William Rea]

William, what makes you think this type of poll will give you an accurate benchmark of the "political make up" of this JREF subforum?

I wasn't claiming any science or accuracy was I? Why search for meanings in something that you clearly do not want to be involved with, it's not like I'm forcing you to vote at the end of a gun.

[William Rea]

As a Dane with a multi party system which isn't REMOTELY covered by the above poll, I find myself unable to answer that question. Besides: None of your business.

It's not my definition that counts, if you don't feel you personally fit into any of the categories then don't vote. If it's none of my business then just don't vote, why post in the thread if it's none of my business? Just so you get the satisfaction of telling me so?

[William Rea]

Hm, nothing that fit me. So i chose socialist.

That's cool, thanks for voting in the spirit of the question, like I said it is only a generalisation.

[greyleonard]

It's not my definition that counts, if you don't feel you personally fit into any of the categories then don't vote.

* Disclaimer!: This is not a scientific poll.

[William Rea]

OK anyway here's me: I generally vote Labor and spread my preferences between The Greens and The Democrats, making sure I always put the Liberal Party last. That counts for State and Federal elections, Upper and Lower houses of Parliament.

Does that make any sense to you Mr W. Rea?

Yes it does but, I didn't need to have specifics about you personally, it's not my intention to create a whole set of labels for individual forum members.

[PerryLogan]

I know it's not a scientific poll, but the results match my impressions of JREF fairly closely. Of course I'm skeptical we have any real fascists here.

If they were polled, I guess conspiracy folks would all claim to be "none of the above."

[greyleonard]

@ William Rea:

I think it's an interesting Q, too, to be honest.
But what if the poll questions paired woo left & woo right with OCT left and OCT right?

4 choices:

I lean left and am a so-called OCTer
I lean left and think it was an inside job
I lean right and am a so-called OCTer
I lean right and think it was an inside job.

[Gravy]

I am intruiged by the political make up of this forum so I have raised a poll to get a benchmark. (bolding mine)
William, what makes you think this type of poll will give you an accurate benchmark of the "political make up" of this JREF subforum?
I wasn't claiming any science or accuracy was I? Why search for meanings in something that you clearly do not want to be involved with, it's not like I'm forcing you to vote at the end of a gun.William, what does the word "benchmark" mean to you?

[MaGZ]

The list should be:

Fascist
Neo-nazi
Nationalist
Rightist
Conservative
Social conservative
Fiscal conservative
Paleo-conservative
Neo-conservative
Independent
Centrist
Libertarian
Liberal
Leftist
Social Democrat
Socialist
Marxist Socialist
Communist
Trotskyite
Maoist
Anarchist

[MaGZ]

We've got two votes right now for "Fascist."

I was wondering who the other one was.

I didn't vote.

So, now worry.

[Alareth]

I belong to the National Radical Meadow Party

[Gravy]

MaGZ, you forgot

Invisimissilist
Batcrapcrazyist
Delusionite
Fantasian
Blazing Jackassative

[MaGZ]

This isn't an easy one to reply to. I'm a liberal in Britain, which tends to mean something along the lines of a centrist, to the left of the Conservative party and far to the left of New Labour. However, in the USA the word appears to mean something different, at least when spoken by right wing commentators in a particular tone of voice. Any idea how that translates?

Dave

Try
Social Democrat

[Kiwiwriter]

The list should be:

Fascist
Neo-nazi
Nationalist
Rightist
Conservative
Social conservative
Fiscal conservative
Paleo-conservative
Neo-conservative
Independent
Centrist
Libertarian
Liberal
Leftist
Social Democrat
Socialist
Marxist Socialist
Communist
Trotskyite
Maoist
Anarchist

Looney tune.

So were you "Neo-Nazi" or just "Fascist?"

[stilicho]

Looney tune.

So were you "Neo-Nazi" or just "Fascist?"
Where's the option of 'Crypto-Centrist'?

[MaGZ]

Uhm, what is the difference between a libertarian and a "fiscal conservative, social libertarian".

As best as I can tell, true libertarians are very fisically conservative (in the American sense of the term).

I suppose that would be true since a libertarian would be against all taxes and government spending would depend upon what the people would want to contribute to the treasury.

[MaGZ]

I don't even know what "political make up" you're talking
about. The 9/11 issue is a political one, too. So there are
blurred lines between politics and CT's. But what i really
can't understand is why the Holocaust is an issue in here.
Could someone sum up the conspiracy theorie about it?

Jews exaggerate their losses in WW II to promote Zionism.

[Architect]

Jews exaggerate their losses in WW II to promote Zionism.

Really MaGZ, take your summer holidays in Europe this year! We're looking forward to you being our guest. Probably for several months, depending upon how sentencing goes.

[Firestone]

Edited:
Stop feeding the troll.

[Pardalis]

Stop feeding the troll.

[Legalduck]

I voted fascist just as joke. I'm fairly moderate, leaning toward liberal. I figure that since I work for the gov't, I'll be called fascist anyway by the CT crowd:D

[beachnut]

Jews exaggerate their losses in WW II to promote Zionism.

I would expect better if you were not influenced by the web sites where racists bigoted nut cases go for biased information?

Most would try to disguise their ignorance and their racism. You let it show in the clear.

[Kiwiwriter]

Jews exaggerate their losses in WW II to promote Zionism.

Which Jews are those? The millions of Jews who lost millions of relatives and friends to Hitler's killers?

How many dead is an "exaggeration?" Every single Jew killed by the Nazis was an act of genocide. And each person dies, ultimately, one at a time, even when they're killed en masse.

So the entire Holocaust was a trick to promote Zionism? Pretty expensive trick, letting millions of people of all ages die horrible deaths in ghastly forms.

Speaking of deaths, MaGZ, what do you think about the Nazi "medical experiments?" Justified or not?

[HeyLeroy]

c.rock/ What ever happened... to just CRAZY? /c.rock

http://www.omrlp.com/

[Peephole]

Social democrat here.

[DarkMagician]

Damn touchpad. I meant to vote "liberal," but my computer went crazy and I ended up voting "fiscal conservative, social libertarian"

[PerryLogan]

Damn touchpad. I meant to vote "liberal," but my computer went crazy and I ended up voting "fiscal conservative, social libertarian"Just so long as it didn't say "George W. Bush."

[Brainache]

I think I'm actually an Apathetic Dewy Eyed Whitlamite.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1498951.htm

Which reminds me of an old CT...

[brodski]

Damn touchpad. I meant to vote "liberal," but my computer went crazy and I ended up voting "fiscal conservative, social libertarian"

Did you buy your computer from dibold ;)

[gumboot]

I don't know what I am. I don't think there's room for me on the American political spectrum.

-Gumboot

[JimBenArm]

The list should be:

Fascist
Neo-nazi
Nationalist
Rightist
Conservative
Social conservative
Fiscal conservative
Paleo-conservative
Neo-conservative
Independent
Centrist
Libertarian
Liberal
Leftist
Social Democrat
Socialist
Marxist Socialist
Communist
Trotskyite
Maoist
Anarchist
Sorry, but this isn't posted at the LC forum. You must have gotten confused again. Oh, wait, still.

[JimBenArm]

Jews exaggerate their losses in WW II to promote Zionism.
Translation: I exaggerate my intellect to promote anti-semitism!

[c4ts]

Where's keep-my-money-ist in all this?

[c4ts]

Which Jews are those? The millions of Jews who lost millions of relatives and friends to Hitler's killers?

How many dead is an "exaggeration?" Every single Jew killed by the Nazis was an act of genocide. And each person dies, ultimately, one at a time, even when they're killed en masse.

So the entire Holocaust was a trick to promote Zionism? Pretty expensive trick, letting millions of people of all ages die horrible deaths in ghastly forms.

Speaking of deaths, MaGZ, what do you think about the Nazi "medical experiments?" Justified or not?

Didn't you know? Hitler was stealth Jewish! Richard Koshimizu proved it!

[rwguinn]

Just so long as it didn't say "George W. Bush."
Need another category:
"in Direct opposition to whatever PerryLogan is"

For every action, there is an equal and opposit reaction....

[William Rea]

The list should be:

Fascist
Neo-nazi
Nationalist
Rightist
Conservative
Social conservative
Fiscal conservative
Paleo-conservative
Neo-conservative
Independent
Centrist
Libertarian
Liberal
Leftist
Social Democrat
Socialist
Marxist Socialist
Communist
Trotskyite
Maoist
Anarchist

But not necessarily in that order!

That's a good list but I had to generalise, which I understand that nobody likes but it was a necessary evil.

[William Rea]

William, what does the word "benchmark" mean to you?

Not interested in your post gravy. I'll go along with whatever definition you care to use.

[William Rea]

I don't know what I am. I don't think there's room for me on the American political spectrum.

-Gumboot

I'm guessing that this poll will probably be naturally Amerocentric (that's not a criticism btw!!!). Maybe the best thing is to judge it in that way i.e. a US libertarian = UK conservative, US socialist = UK liberal. Any suggestions anyone.

[William Rea]

I think I'm actually an Apathetic Dewy Eyed Whitlamite.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1498951.htm

Which reminds me of an old CT...

I would be Apathetic but I just can't motivate myself.

[William Rea]

I don't even know what "political make up" you're talking
about. The 9/11 issue is a political one, too. So there are
blurred lines between politics and CT's. But what i really
can't understand is why the Holocaust is an issue in here.
Could someone sum up the conspiracy theorie about it?

Just to note for everyone I selected an anonymous poll so I don't have any idea who voted for what.

[gumboot]

I'm guessing that this poll will probably be naturally Amerocentric (that's not a criticism btw!!!). Maybe the best thing is to judge it in that way i.e. a US libertarian = UK conservative, US socialist = UK liberal. Any suggestions anyone.


I'm not sure where I fit on the NZ spectrum, and I'm not sure where NZ fits on the US political spectrum.

I suppose on most domestic issues I'm liberal, except for law and order, for which I'm more "hard line" (whatever that means).

On foreign issues I tend to be more in keeping with my law and order perspective.

I don't really know what I am in an economic sense.

So what would that make me?

-Gumboot

[William Rea]

Me either, but I don't mind telling people my politics. I'm American, I don't belong to any political party but I vote democratic 90% of the time. Above all, I'm a Bush-hater.

Just to reiterate, I am not interested in individuals politics at all. I just wanted to establish a benchmark for myself that may also help others to understand the forum.

[William Rea]

I'm not sure where I fit on the NZ spectrum, and I'm not sure where NZ fits on the US political spectrum.

I suppose on most domestic issues I'm liberal, except for law and order, for which I'm more "hard line" (whatever that means).

On foreign issues I tend to be more in keeping with my law and order perspective.

I don't really know what I am in an economic sense.

So what would that make me?

-Gumboot

Not really interested in personal political beliefs but generally we in the UK percieve NZ as being essentially social democrat with a leaning towards democratic socialist.

[gumboot]

Haven't we done this before?

I think it's not only previously established, but also pretty self evident from people's posts, that the vast majority of regular posters in the CT sub-forum are left of centre.

-Gumboot

[MaGZ]

I'm not sure where I fit on the NZ spectrum, and I'm not sure where NZ fits on the US political spectrum.

I suppose on most domestic issues I'm liberal, except for law and order, for which I'm more "hard line" (whatever that means).

On foreign issues I tend to be more in keeping with my law and order perspective.

I don't really know what I am in an economic sense.

So what would that make me?

-Gumboot

George Bush Republican

[stateofgrace]

Jews exaggerate their losses in WW II to promote Zionism.

I think you are on the wrong forum.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=354

Here you go, hope this helps you.

[MaGZ]

I think you are on the wrong forum.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=354

Here you go, hope this helps you.

Zionism is a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.

[stateofgrace]

Zionism is a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.

Really ? What should we do about it ?

What is the solution ? What is the final solution ?

[Minadin]

The anti-semitisim that is displayed (and accepted!) in the 'Truth' movement is incredible. Take this recent post at LCF for example:

That "amazing Randi" magician is just another Zionist Jew. The Randi methodology is all about employing the use of deception.http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3340&st=30

I can't tell what he thinks would be worse - if someone were jewish, a zionist, or a magician. It reminds me of Sylvia Browne's assistant on Anderson Cooper uttering the word "magician" as if it were some sort of derogatory slam on his character . . . but I digress.

The funniest thing about the guy who posted the above quote is that his avatar shows Bush with a Hitler 'stache . . . so he's trying to say Bush = Hitler = evil, and then he posts this rhetoric.

[brodski]

Zionism is a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.

Well yes there are (or where) Zionists, a left wing Israeli nationalism movement. Then Israel came to exist and the movement, having reached its goals, ended. Now there are those that support the continued existence of Israel, and groups which lobby for international support for Israel. At a push you could call these people "Zionists". But that is not a "conspiracy", it's called politics.
Now, if you want to talk about the Zionist Oppressive Government, or the Protocols of eth Elders of Zion, those are conspiracy theories, and nastily antisemitic ones at that.

[gumboot]

George Bush Republican


And yet I'm vehemently opposed to religion. So how does that work?

-Gumboot

[maccy]

I voted socialist

this is what political compass has to say:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-8.75&soc=-6.72

Which would indicate that possibly the socialist-anarchist category may have been a better fit.

[beachnut]

That's cool, thanks for voting in the spirit of the question, like I said it is only a generalisation.

This is missing a lot of choices, and reminds me of a NAZI type pole. Who is the NAZI who started this pole? Who is General Isation?

What is that in your avatar? What does it mean? I find it offensive.