Hyper Dimensional Design

[Dutch]

I want to emphasize that you are not quoting from the HDDesign forum Blue. I'm not sure if it's clear to all readers that you are trying to ridicule the HDDesign material

[Mister Earl]

"Material" is a very misleading term. It suggests there's something there.

[Paul]

I want to emphasize that you are not quoting from the HDDesign forum Blue. I'm not sure if it's clear to all readers that you are trying to ridicule the HDDesign materialTrying is not required, the material ridicules itself.

[Sideroxylon]

There is nothing here to take seriously.

[Blue Mountain]

I want to emphasize that you are not quoting from the HDDesign forum Blue. I'm not sure if it's clear to all readers that you are trying to ridicule the HDDesign material

An example, perhaps, of Poe's Law.

[Dutch]

There is nothing here to take seriously.

Don't be harsh on them, they can't help

[Hans]

Oh great Uberpseudoscience returns with Dutch at the helm!

[Paul]

Don't be harsh on them, they can't helpWhen you try to be witty and score points, it's helpful if you are capable of both constructing an amusing reply and responding in a manner which doesn't leave you appearing more foolish than before.

[Daylightstar]

Don't be harsh on them, they can't help

Ofcourse, dishonesty is creeping in, again.

--
Cai

[ufology]

Logically, no matter how many so-called dimensions there are, they are all by the very nature of the process by which dimensions are created, mutually dependent on each other and therefore readily apparent simultaneously everywhere.

This means that the idea that there is some "other dimension" just a little "out of synch" with this one, isn't something that is possible other than in science fiction and clever mathematical puzzles. It's no different than Escher's staicase illusion, which uses two dimensional trickery to make it appear that a third dimension is at work, when in fact it isn't. Watch this fun little video that illustrates what I'm getting at:


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The only possibility that some other state of existence exists in some parallel place to ours is to consider it as an entirely separate universe, tied by some common thread to a "multiverse".

j.r.

[The Man]

Logically, no matter how many so-called dimensions there are, they are all by the very nature of the process by which dimensions are created, mutually dependent on each other and therefore readily apparent simultaneously everywhere.

This means that the idea that there is some "other dimension" just a little "out of synch" with this one, isn't something that is possible other than in science fiction and clever mathematical puzzles. It's no different than Escher's staicase illusion, which uses two dimensional trickery to make it appear that a third dimension is at work, when in fact it isn't. Watch this fun little video that illustrates what I'm getting at:


hhfhgbmZe9s




The only possibility that some other state of existence exists in some parallel place to ours is to consider it as an entirely separate universe, tied by some common thread to a "multiverse".

j.r.




So just how many so-called mutually dependent readily apparent simultaneously everywhere dimensions are there anyway (“Logically” that is)? Your latter paragraph seems to assert just “one”.

How are you defining your “so-called dimensions” (not to mention “mutually dependent” as well as “simultaneously”) and what is this “process by which dimensions are created” of which you speak? Given such a process would not “how many so-called dimensions there are” potentially be variable? Is there also a “process by which dimensions are” destroyed and what is that process?

Oh and welcome to the thread.

[ufology]

So just how many so-called mutually dependent readily apparent simultaneously everywhere dimensions are there anyway (“Logically” that is)? Your latter paragraph seems to assert just “one”.

How are you defining your “so-called dimensions” (not to mention “mutually dependent” as well as “simultaneously”) and what is this “process by which dimensions are created” of which you speak? Given such a process would not “how many so-called dimensions there are” potentially be variable? Is there also a “process by which dimensions are” destroyed and what is that process?

Oh and welcome to the thread.




Thank you for the welcome ... and very good questions. Understanding how this all ties together requires that everything we're talking about be put into the proper context first. Otherwise we're going to go way off the rails. You may find that in essence we are talking about very similar things from two different angles.

Rather than cut and paste my info all in here, I edit a ufology site where the concept of the Extradimensional Hypothesis ( EDH ), and the Universe, is briefly covered:

http://ufopages.com/Reference/BD/Extradimensional-01a.htm

http://ufopages.com/Reference/BD/Universe-01a.htm

The above articles are fairly concise and aren't based on "woofology", they are based on a combination of actual hard science and critical thinking. They also answer your initial questions. Once you read them we can establish where our two vantage are. Then we may be able to see where our two fields of view merge, and perhaps we'll find something new for both of us ! This stuff is great. Looking forward to your next response.

j.r.

[The Man]

Thank you for the welcome ... and very good questions. Understanding how this all ties together requires that everything we're talking about be put into the proper context first. Otherwise we're going to go way off the rails. You may find that in essence we are talking about very similar things from two different angles.

Rather than cut and paste my info all in here, I edit a ufology site where the concept of the Extradimensional Hypothesis ( EDH ), and the Universe, is briefly covered:

http://ufopages.com/Reference/BD/Extradimensional-01a.htm

http://ufopages.com/Reference/BD/Universe-01a.htm

The above articles are fairly concise and aren't based on "woofology", they are based on a combination of actual hard science and critical thinking. They also answer your initial questions. Once you read them we can establish where our two vantage are. Then we may be able to see where our two fields of view merge, and perhaps we'll find something new for both of us ! This stuff is great. Looking forward to your next response.

j.r.


In that case it would probably be best to leave the discussion of that “EDH” to its own thread. If you start such a thread and post the link here anyone here that is interested can join that discussion. While I can’t guarantee that I would join that discussion it is certainly more likely than me actually visiting your website. Nothing personal, I’m just not in the habit of going to someone’s website just because they claim the answers to the questions I asked are there.

[ufology]

In that case it would probably be best to leave the discussion of that “EDH” to its own thread. If you start such a thread and post the link here anyone here that is interested can join that discussion. While I can’t guarantee that I would join that discussion it is certainly more likely than me actually visiting your website. Nothing personal, I’m just not in the habit of going to someone’s website just because they claim the answers to the questions I asked are there.



Links to external information are often used in the JREF. It makes more sense than copying and pasting pages of text into a huge long response. I guess it all just depends on how interested somone really is. It's there if you want to know. No pressure.

j.r.

PS: There is also the issue of giving away entire articles to the JREF, which is part of the user agreement.

[Daylightstar]

... If you start such a thread and post the link here anyone here that is interested can join that discussion.....

Because they can find that discussion (as a thread) more easily.

And j.r., since the actual subject of this thread appears to be the clinical presentation of the OP's mental in-capacities, don't you think you deserve your own thread for your subject which is recognized as an actual subject by gazillions of people? ;)

[ufology]

Because they can find that discussion (as a thread) more easily.

And j.r., since the actual subject of this thread appears to be the clinical presentation of the OP's mental in-capacities, don't you think you deserve your own thread for your subject which is recognized as an actual subject by gazillions of people? ;)




Well I suppose that the EDH itself could be covered in the Critical Thinking In Ufology thread. But I'm condidered just as much of nut by the skeptics over there. Here it was just the topic of multiple dimesions ... there you get to add UFOs into the mix, so if you think it's gone woo here, imagine what it must be like over there if you want to take it seriously.

j.r.

[Daylightstar]

So, you don't want to discuss this "EDH" in it's own thread.
You can make that choice.

[ufology]

So, you don't want to discuss this "EDH" in it's own thread. You can make that choice.



I've got too much going on to open up another thread, and the EDH is technically a ufology topic anyway. It just has principles that apply to what this thread seemed to be about, so I thought someone might be interested. I was wrong.

j.r.

[The Man]

Links to external information are often used in the JREF. It makes more sense than copying and pasting pages of text into a huge long response. I guess it all just depends on how interested somone really is. It's there if you want to know. No pressure.

j.r.

PS: There is also the issue of giving away entire articles to the JREF, which is part of the user agreement.


Indeed they are, as well just brief explanations of the usages questioned. Requiring “copying and pasting pages of text into a huge long response” is probably not going to peak anyone’s interest in such a response. However, it does tend to peak peoples interest in why that requirement is felt to be necessary and is also an excuse used by Dutch. The links with brief responses or quotes that actually address the questions also addresses the issue of “giving away entire articles to the JREF”. Allow me to demonstrate (for Dutch as well)…


“so-called dimensions”:

In the intuitive sense dimensions are informally defined as the number of coordinates needed to locate a point in some given space. Other specific mathematical usages of the word dimension (like Lebesgue covering dimension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebesgue_covering_dimension) or Hausdorff dimension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausdorff_dimension)) have their own specific mathematical definition(s).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension


For sets which are of a complicated structure, especially fractals, the Hausdorff dimension is useful. The Hausdorff dimension is defined for all metric spaces and, unlike the Hamel dimension, can also attain non-integer real values.[3] The box dimension or Minkowski dimension is a variant of the same idea. In general, there exist more definitions of fractal dimensions that work for highly irregular sets and attain non-integer positive real values



“Dimension” is also sometimes colloquially used as a term to reference some realm of existence though technically (and mathematically) the word “universe” is used in that regard with dimension(s) being an aspect of said universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_universe_(fiction)


“mutually dependent”:

Other than in reference to Symbiosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_dependence), when variations in one aspect result in variations of the other (and visa versa) the two aspects are said to be mutually dependent. In other words they have a dependency that is mutual (shared). Some aspects can simply be dependent, for example the money I can save depends to a great deal on how much I earn by working. However, how much I earn by working does not depend on how much I save. So while my savings is dependent on (among other things) my job earnings, my savings and my job earnings are not mutually dependent. Conversely, my over all earnings do depend on my investments (including how much I save and the interest) so while my job earnings and my savings are not mutually dependent my total earnings and savings are.


“simultaneously”:

Refers to events that can be said to happen at the same time in some reference frame, given that time varies for different reference frames what seems to happen simultaneously in one frame of reference may not be so definable in another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity



Very little cut and pate, mostly my own words with links (some imbedded) so anyone can delve into it further.

I hope this helps.

[ufology]

My original post, as now, only deals with the practical considerations for the original premise of this thread, To Quote:

"This thread is dedicated to the search for indications of hidden underlying multidimensional design just underneath the surface of our familiar 3-dimensional reality."

Mathematical models for abstract dimensions outside our spacetime are of no practical value in exploring reality ( as was the point in the little video link I posted ). Such realities cannot exist other than in the realm of numbers and art. If we are to find some analogy to our character in the video who finds a way to fracture the reality he is trapped in, we first must determine the extent of the reality we are in now.

Essentially I propose that the dedication of this thread is not possible because there can be no "underneath the surface" in this reality. However by looking at it slightly more logically, there could be another reality altogether ... not another dimension, but another "universe".

j.r.

[Daylightstar]

I've got too much going on to open up another thread, and the EDH is technically a ufology topic anyway. It just has principles that apply to what this thread seemed to be about, so I thought someone might be interested. I was wrong.

j.r.

Perhaps you should try to converse with the topic starter directly and see to what degree your concept of dimensions agrees or clashes with his.

[ufology]

Perhaps you should try to converse with the topic starter directly and see to what degree your concept of dimensions agrees or clashes with his.



I'll wait for that person to make the move. Might you have any thoughts of your own on this topic?

j.r.

[Daylightstar]

Since you stated:
My original post, as now, only deals with the practical considerations for the original premise of this thread, ...
I would insist you try to converse with the topic starter directly.
Unless ofcourse you explicitly prefer comments from other posters than the topic starter.
Is this the case?

[The Man]

My original post, as now, only deals with the practical considerations for the original premise of this thread, To Quote:

"This thread is dedicated to the search for indications of hidden underlying multidimensional design just underneath the surface of our familiar 3-dimensional reality."

Mathematical models for abstract dimensions outside our spacetime are of no practical value in exploring reality ( as was the point in the little video link I posted ). Such realities cannot exist other than in the realm of numbers and art. If we are to find some analogy to our character in the video who finds a way to fracture the reality he is trapped in, we first must determine the extent of the reality we are in now.

Essentially I propose that the dedication of this thread is not possible because there can be no "underneath the surface" in this reality. However by looking at it slightly more logically, there could be another reality altogether ... not another dimension, but another "universe".

j.r.

There you go, direct, to the point and relevant to the discussion at hand.

Unfortunately, ufology, all of Dutch’s HDD calculations are entirely one dimensional (related only to the sidereal period of orbits). So other dimensions, even those of a “familiar 3-dimensional reality”, don’t even enter into the ‘equation’, so to speak, for him. The disparity between Dutch’s “dedication” and what he actually does is blatantly obvious without even considering the possibility (or lack thereof) of other dimensions, as Dutch only considers and ‘calculates’ one. Which also makes just “exploring reality” impossible for his dimensional design hype.

[ufology]

Since you stated:

I would insist you try to converse with the topic starter directly.
Unless ofcourse you explicitly prefer comments from other posters than the topic starter.
Is this the case?



I'm good with comments from whomever is considering the same type of thing that thread starter suggests we are dealing with ... the idea of some actual invisible nearby state(s) of existence other than our own generically dubbed another "dimension".

j.r.

[ufology]

There you go, direct, to the point and relevant to the discussion at hand.

Unfortunately, ufology, all of Dutch’s HDD calculations are entirely one dimensional (related only to the sidereal period of orbits). So other dimensions, even those of a “familiar 3-dimensional reality”, don’t even enter into the ‘equation’, so to speak, for him. The disparity between Dutch’s “dedication” and what he actually does is blatantly obvious without even considering the possibility (or lack thereof) of other dimensions, as Dutch only considers and ‘calculates’ one. Which also makes just “exploring reality” impossible for his dimensional design hype.


OK ... I think I get what you are saying, not that I can concur with any notion of a one dimensional orbit, I just thought we might have been looking at the same geneic idea from some different vantage point with out of synch terminology, and that perhaps there might be some common ground someplace. In your experience that seems like maybe asking too much ... I guess?

j.r.

[Daylightstar]

I'm good with comments from whomever is considering the same type of thing that thread starter suggests we are dealing with ... the idea of some actual invisible nearby state(s) of existence other than our own generically dubbed another "dimension".

j.r.

You might want to have a look at this thread:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87858

[Daylightstar]

Also, you need to understand that in the context of this thread, for the topic starter the word dimension(s) is a buzz word only.

[The Man]

OK ... I think I get what you are saying, not that I can concur with any notion of a one dimensional orbit, I just thought we might have been looking at the same geneic idea from some different vantage point with out of synch terminology, and that perhaps there might be some common ground someplace. In your experience that seems like maybe asking too much ... I guess?

j.r.

We? What, we as in me and you or we as in you and Dutch, or perhaps some other we? Guessing about my experience is not likely to get you anywhere. Again if you want to actually talk about this “EDH” stuff then I again suggest you start a thread to discuss it directly. Claiming you just “got too much going on to open up another thread” while attempting to discuss it in this or some other thread is not going to garner you much sympathy. As you note this “EDH” is directly related to UFO’s so perhaps that other thread (Critical Thinking In Ufology) might be a better place if you just don’t feel a dedicated one is appropriate.

Here is the link to that thread for other posters.


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=213999

[The Man]

Also, you need to understand that in the context of this thread, for the topic starter the word dimension(s) is a buzz word only.

Exactly, Daylightstar, so actually discussing dimensions is a non-starter for the thread starter.

[Dutch]

Well, HDDesign is about indications of Intelligent hidden correlations within our dimension, suggesting that there seems to be more than the dimension we 'exist' in.

[Mister Earl]

Well, HDDesign is about indications of Intelligent hidden correlations within our dimension, suggesting that there seems to be more than the dimension we 'exist' in.

No, HDDesign is about throwing together as many buzzwords as possible to lend credibility to what is essentially horoscope reading. It also uses a created but undefined system to make these predictions, and a skillfully crafted system designed purely around maximizing hits without change in accuracy, and an ingenious method to recycle misses.

All in all, it's still worth nothing to nobody.

[Daylightstar]

Well, HDDesign is about indications of Intelligent hidden correlations within our dimension, suggesting that there seems to be more than the dimension we 'exist' in has resisted all attempts to be demonstrated as real.

Thought I'd fix that for you.

You're welcome.

[Sideroxylon]

All sizzle and no sausage.

[Dutch]

No, HDDesign is about throwing together as many buzzwords as possible to lend credibility to what is essentially horoscope reading. It also uses a created but undefined system to make these predictions, and a skillfully crafted system designed purely around maximizing hits without change in accuracy, and an ingenious method to recycle misses.

All in all, it's still worth nothing to nobody.

eventually, earl, you will understand it's worth everything to everybody, even to you

[Dutch]

Thought I'd fix that for you.

You're welcome.

I would never scrap your words

[H'ethetheth]

Is this some sort of longest-running-thread-project I'm unaware of?

[Sideroxylon]

eventually, earl, you will understand it's worth everything to everybody, even to you

Not if you don't pony up some reason to believe that this is worth anything to anyone. However you have conceded that HDD has no power to predict anything and that you no methodology that can be passed on to others. Its just post-diction with arbitrary justifications and a modicum of cargo-cult science facade.

[Daylightstar]

I would never scrap your words
What's that supposed to mean?

[Daylightstar]

Is this some sort of longest-running-thread-project I'm unaware of?
No, the thread starter uses this thread to demonstrate his particular extreme of a delusion.

[Dutch]

No, the thread starter uses this thread to demonstrate his particular extreme of a delusion.

Well, if in your rigid mind something seems to be an illusion, than you aren't doing yourselves a favor by dismissing it as a delusion.

The next 18 months you can expect much more related info and even you will have to face it.

[Paul]

Well, if in your rigid mind something seems to be an illusion, than you aren't doing yourselves a favor by dismissing it as a delusion.On the contrary, it seems only sensible to dismiss that which is patently an illusory system based on your personal delusion.

The next 18 months you can expect much more related info and even you will have to face it.You've been saying that since February 2007.

Are you planning on being honest anytime soon?

[Daylightstar]

Well, if in your rigid mind something seems to be an illusion, than you aren't doing yourselves a favor by dismissing it as a delusion. ...

You are misrepresenting what I said, yet more dishonesty from you.
The delusion aspect is presented by you.

[Daylightstar]

...
The next 18 months you can expect much more related info and even you will have to face it.

Ugh, rubbish, there's nothing to face.

There were also no calculations to face.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6802560&postcount=4071
There still aren't.

No effects, and ... no side effects! heh.
Your delusion is inert.

[Mister Earl]

Dutch, HDD is and will remain meaningless until you test it with the scientific method. I understand your aversion to doing this, of course, since it would probably evaporate instantly. HDD requires massive amounts of confirmation bias to survive.

[Blue Mountain]

Well, if in your rigid mind something seems to be an illusion, than you aren't doing yourselves a favor by dismissing it as a delusion.

The next 18 months you can expect much more related info and even you will have to face it.

As I have pointed out many times in the past, the problem is not a lack of data. The problem is a lack of indexing, summarization, and follow-up analysis by which those data are turned into useful information. Your HDD research is like a hoarder's house: more stuff than you know what to do with and completely disorganized.

[Dutch]

Dutch, HDD is and will remain meaningless until you test it with the scientific method. I understand your aversion to doing this, of course, since it would probably evaporate instantly. HDD requires massive amounts of confirmation bias to survive.

You cannot test these synchronicities twice or more scientifically in the same way they've occured. You can have a sense of the hidden connectedness by continued monitoring of the findings, take good notice of the moment of postings ( as they are logged with date and time ).

Even I don't know what comes next, it can happen anytime. You have to take these synchronicities serious when they occur, that's the only way to open up your mind. You can spend a lifetime trying to 'prove' or disprove this, in the meanwhile you have missed the apparent 'communication' that is taking place.

[Dutch]

As I have pointed out many times in the past, the problem is not a lack of data. The problem is a lack of indexing, summarization, and follow-up analysis by which those data are turned into useful information. Your HDD research is like a hoarder's house: more stuff than you know what to do with and completely disorganized.

well, I do write these summarizes occasionally together with analysis but I can't do that for each single date on the timeslines. I have to focus on the major underlying themes and by my own understanding, I try to filter the main issues and 'communication' that is taking place. In a sense, I will continue monitoring and using the timelines, but I will only write comments or analysis on the main issues that I consider to be of interest, based on intuition and synchronocities first and confirmd by instant confirmation after the elements of HDDesign are rationally applied

[Daylightstar]

... elements of HDDesign are rationally applied

But you still have not demonstrated this.
This is because you can not demonstrate this.
You know you can not demonstrate this.
Yet, you continue to imply that you can.

Dishonesty.

Your dishonesty is woven into your delusion by necessity.

[Dutch]

But you still have not demonstrated this.
This is because you can not demonstrate this.
You know you can not demonstrate this.
Yet, you continue to imply that you can.

Dishonesty.

Your dishonesty is woven into your delusion by necessity.

yes, I do this all the time, with the timelines. Each bit of new info is logged in the specific thread of a timeline and than added to the first post of that thread for the overview

nothing dishonest here, you should keep an eye on these timelines, take notice of the timing of the additions on the timelines. Once a future date is determined and added to a timeline, I post updates when they occur and I finally monitor the timeframe when it happens

[Daylightstar]

That is your claim, it just can not be verified. Which is why you have been asked in the past to demonstrate this "applying" of "elements of HDD" and to explain "elements of HDD".

You've been uuhhm ... less than helpful.

[Daylightstar]

To that I might add that your above post clearly demonstrates that you indeed continue to imply to be able to demonstrate the "rationally applying" of "elements of HDD".

Imply, because no such thing is actually demonstrated...anywhere.

[Dutch]

That is your claim, it just can not be verified. Which is why you have been asked in the past to demonstrate this "applying" of "elements of HDD" and to explain "elements of HDD".

You've been uuhhm ... less than helpful.

That's how these timelines work, you can verify by monitoring the timelines for an extended period of time

[Sideroxylon]

That's how these timelines work, you can verify by monitoring the timelines for an extended period of time

By "verify" you mean accommodate absolutely any event that occurs and seems significant from your little perspective on the world.

[Paul]

accommodate absolutely any event that occurs and seems significant from your little perspective on the world......while doing absolutely nothing helpful for anyone, continually and absolutely failing to provide so much as a useful hint of major world events, and lying about your ability to demonstrate HDD's efficacy.

[Daylightstar]

That's how these timelines work, you can verify by monitoring the timelines for an extended period of time
And continue some more ...

[Dutch]

By "verify" you mean accommodate absolutely any event that occurs and seems significant from your little perspective on the world.

I ave told you before, try for yourselves without HDDesign and come to the conclusion how little your perspective in fact is

[Daylightstar]

I ave told you before, try for yourselves without HDDesign and come to the conclusion how little your perspective in fact is
Well, in the past you have shown to believe that you are a better predictor than others.

Not that this belief has been validated.

[Dutch]

Well, in the past you have shown to believe that you are a better predictor than others.

Not that this belief has been validated.

and still you guys don't dare to try to do the same with random underlying themes for random future dates for an extended period of time ( not based on HDdesign).

So why don't you start with it? you can help eachother if you like

[Daylightstar]

...
So why don't you start with it? ...
It would be, as you say, random.
We have nothing else to compare it to....

[Wolrab]

and still you guys don't dare to try to do the same with random underlying themes for random future dates for an extended period of time ( not based on HDdesign).

So why don't you start with it? you can help each other if you like
I'll do it.
On Thursday, July 21, 2011 the last Space Shuttle mission ended as the Shuttle Atlantis landed.
By using (hold while I decide what constant I need to use......"i" is too obvious, but probably the most applicable....ah-ha! "p", the plastic constant!) p, the plastic constant, I will demonstrate that something will happen, however vaguely related to the Space Shuttle Atlantis landing for the final time (from a space mission).

The first time line is simple. It is just Day 0 + p = significant event.
HERE IS MY MATH for everyone to follow along:
July 21 + 1.3 = July 22.

My first prediction is that something related to Atlantis returning will happen tomorrow. (as this is the plastic constant, I alone can decide how large the window of opportunity is).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_number

Now, going further out requires more advanced math. July 21 is the 202nd day of the year so if that is multiplied by p, we get the next significant dates by adding the result to the date and the result itself is another significant date.

HERE IS MY MATH!!1!11!
202 x 1.324=267.448
On both April 13, 2012 and September 24, 2011.

I will astound you all with my accuracy as soon as I shoehorn events am aware of the events.

[Daylightstar]

I'm missing something in this .... a synchronicity .... didn't you overhear someone on the phone say that they should send "this guy" into deep space with a redundant spaceshuttle, because "this guy" has his mind floating in outer space beyond Pluto already?
And obviously, they were not talking about you.

[Paul]

If you saw Star Wars on TV once it's probably close enough...

[ufology]

Well, HDDesign is about indications of Intelligent hidden correlations within our dimension, suggesting that there seems to be more than the dimension we 'exist' in.



If there are any other dimensions other than the ones we exist in, then those dimensions must exist in another universe altogether, and in that universe those dimensions could be identical ( but separate ) from the ones in this universe.

j.r.

[Mister Earl]

You cannot test these synchronicities twice or more scientifically in the same way they've occured. You can have a sense of the hidden connectedness by continued monitoring of the findings, take good notice of the moment of postings ( as they are logged with date and time ).

Even I don't know what comes next, it can happen anytime. You have to take these synchronicities serious when they occur, that's the only way to open up your mind. You can spend a lifetime trying to 'prove' or disprove this, in the meanwhile you have missed the apparent 'communication' that is taking place.

Once again, a non-response using word salad and vague terms you can use as camouflage to avoid committing towards anything you might have to prove later.

[Daylightstar]

If there are any other dimensions other than the ones we exist in, then those dimensions must exist in another universe altogether, and in that universe those dimensions could be identical ( but separate ) from the ones in this universe.

j.r.

you are talking about dimensions based on normal spatial/temporal principles.
Dutch is talking about dimensions based on dissociative principles.

Two completely different things.

[ufology]

you are talking about dimensions based on normal spatial/temporal principles.
Dutch is talking about dimensions based on dissociative principles.

Two completely different things.



You are very perceptive. What I'm wondering is whether or not he thinks we're talking about the same thing for practical purposes, in which case perhaps some advancement might be made by using language more precise to the context. In other words are we both talking about some plausible state of existence that could explain something analagous to a door that would allow passage between what appear to be two separate realities, or are we talking about purely mathematical abstract constructs?

j.r.

[Wolrab]

Just perusing the news and, as I expectedpredicted, there was a slew of events related to the shuttle Atlantis' last mission. Seeing as how it only landed yesterday, I will magnanimously not consider most of those massive hits to my Atlantis Timeline. One thing did stand out, though:
Astronomers Find Largest, Oldest Mass of Water in Universe


http://www.space.com/12400-universe-biggest-oldest-cloud-water.html

If you can't see the connection, permit me....
Ancient= Plato's Atlantis
Massive amounts of water= c'mon, it was a freakin' SUNKEN continent.
Where? In space.
When= story released today. It took the light from this thing 14 billion years to reach Earth and the story is released today? What are the odds? (1:1).That is just the obvious hits. What say Dutch?

[ufology]

Just perusing the news and, as I expectedpredicted, there was a slew of events related to the shuttle Atlantis' last mission. Seeing as how it only landed yesterday, I will magnanimously not consider most of those massive hits to my Atlantis Timeline. One thing did stand out, though:
Astronomers Find Largest, Oldest Mass of Water in Universe


http://www.space.com/12400-universe-biggest-oldest-cloud-water.html

If you can't see the connection, permit me....
Ancient= Plato's Atlantis
Massive amounts of water= c'mon, it was a freakin' SUNKEN continent.
Where? In space.
When= story released today. It took the light from this thing 14 billion years to reach Earth and the story is released today? What are the odds? (1:1).That is just the obvious hits. What say Dutch?




Cool article.

[Daylightstar]

You are very perceptive. ...mathematical abstract constructs?
j.r.

He does not concern himself with what we might think, only with what he believes.
Using language more precise to the context has shown not to work. Whenever it is tried something very odd happens: he suddenly turns into a chicken.
Eggs and feathers all over the place.

In the case of the topic starter's presentation on this forum, there really do not appear to be two seperate realities.
However, the topic starter unsuccesfully tries to establish a second reality.
There is no door, no passage. Just empty belief.

Also, the topic has no bearing on mathematics whatsoever.

[dafydd]

You are very perceptive. What I'm wondering is whether or not he thinks we're talking about the same thing for practical purposes, in which case perhaps some advancement might be made by using language more precise to the context. In other words are we both talking about some plausible state of existence that could explain something analagous to a door that would allow passage between what appear to be two separate realities, or are we talking about purely mathematical abstract constructs?

j.r.

No,we are talking about a Dutchman with a delusion.

[ufology]

He does not concern himself with what we might think, only with what he believes.
Using language more precise to the context has shown not to work. Whenever it is tried something very odd happens: he suddenly turns into a chicken.
Eggs and feathers all over the place.

In the case of the topic starter's presentation on this forum, there really do not appear to be two seperate realities.
However, the topic starter unsuccesfully tries to establish a second reality.
There is no door, no passage. Just empty belief.

Also, the topic has no bearing on mathematics whatsoever.



Oh ... well ... that's too bad. I thought this might get interesting. I guess it's OK. At least he's looking for something greater and trying to think outside the box. Maybe he'll stumble onto something and surprise us all.

j.r.

[Daylightstar]

... At least he's looking for something greater and trying to think outside the box. Maybe he'll stumble onto something and surprise us all.
...

None of this is realistic I'm afraid.

[dafydd]

Oh ... well ... that's too bad. I thought this might get interesting. I guess it's OK. At least he's looking for something greater and trying to think outside the box. Maybe he'll stumble onto something and surprise us all.

j.r.

No. If you can stand it,read this whole thread.

[Dutch]

It would be, as you say, random.
We have nothing else to compare it to....

focus on future timeframes, you can compare it with HDDesign....and find out yourselves

[Dutch]

If there are any other dimensions other than the ones we exist in, then those dimensions must exist in another universe altogether, and in that universe those dimensions could be identical ( but separate ) from the ones in this universe.

j.r.

It seems to me, that besides our 3-dimensional reality ( or 4 with time, if you prefer ) there's a hidden underlying Design, apparently originating from beyond our immediate perception. There are indications in our reality that seem to confirm this concept. Our (sub) conscious mind seems to be able to 'tune in' on this hidden Design, if we take our intuitive thoughts serious, aswell as the synchronicities when they occur (after recognizing it ofcourse). These indications in our reality are INTELLIGENT and based on mathematical principles aswell as expressed 'as above - so below' with specific orbital positions of the orbitting elements within our solarsystem, wich I consider to be in fact a Hyper Dimensional system. In hyper dimensional physics everything unveils the connectedness with our 3D reality by rotation, and translated into our system of dates we can link our perception of time to it. The planets themselves unveil this hidden Hyper Dimensional Physics by geological 'expressions' at Hyper Dimensional Platonic Solid based key spots, like the chain of islands in Hawaii as the main Hyper Dimansinol Tetrahedron interference area on earth ( due to continental drift) and HD Octahedron ( Indonesian area around equator ) and the HD Cube: Mount st helens for a long period of time, about to succeed by Yellowstone, in our times more perfectly located at the main HD Cube interference area. HDDesign is the first field of 'research' in which our perception of time is contained.

[Sideroxylon]

Dutch, please explain mathematically the significance of the Hawaiian Islands.

[Dutch]

He does not concern himself with what we might think, only with what he believes.
Using language more precise to the context has shown not to work. Whenever it is tried something very odd happens: he suddenly turns into a chicken.
Eggs and feathers all over the place.

In the case of the topic starter's presentation on this forum, there really do not appear to be two seperate realities.
However, the topic starter unsuccesfully tries to establish a second reality.
There is no door, no passage. Just empty belief.

Also, the topic has no bearing on mathematics whatsoever.

My concern is what other people think indeed, because 'knowledge' will enable us to understand our reality better and who we really are

[Dutch]

Dutch, please explain mathematically the significance of the Hawaiian Islands.

Drifted over time over the Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron areaa at aprox 19.5 degrees, with 19.5 degrees as the main interference area of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron as 'expressed'by a rotating object ( planet Earth in this case )

[Sideroxylon]

Drifted over time over the Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron areaa at aprox 19.5 degrees, with 19.5 degrees as the main interference area of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron as 'expressed'by a rotating object ( planet Earth in this case )

Sorry, but that makes no sense to me at all. You will have to elaborate while assuming I don't have access to anything contained exclusively between your cranial walls.

[Dutch]

No,we are talking about a Dutchman with a delusion.

You must be a clever person not to dismiss all these 'coincidences' when they occur while dealing with this stuff. I have been a rationalist almost all my life. At one point I couldn't ignore these 'coincidences' anymore. They don't come at will, but when they come they are strong and unmistaken.

Wake up, I'm giving you guys an opportunity to open up your mind and change the way you're thinking. These correlations are really magnificent and change the way you look at reality. They change you as a person. They change you in a way you feel responsibility. They change you in a way that you understand that you can make a difference.

It has nothing to do with a delusion, far from that.

[Dutch]

Sorry, but that makes no sense to me at all. You will have to elaborate while assuming I don't have access to anything contained exclusively between your cranial walls.

Well, the explanation and a picture have been posted in the beginning of this thread, so I guess you can find it

[Sideroxylon]

You must be a clever person not to dismiss all these 'coincidences' when they occur while dealing with this stuff. I have been a rationalist almost all my life. At one point I couldn't ignore these 'coincidences' anymore. They don't come at will, but when they come they are strong and unmistaken.

Wake up, I'm giving you guys an opportunity to open up your mind and change the way you're thinking. These correlations are really magnificent and change the way you look at reality. They change you as a person. They change you in a way you feel responsibility. They change you in a way that you understand that you can make a difference.

It has nothing to do with a delusion, far from that.



Dutch, you have yet to even do so much as demonstrate correlation or "coincidences" if you like.

[Dutch]

Oh ... well ... that's too bad. I thought this might get interesting. I guess it's OK. At least he's looking for something greater and trying to think outside the box. Maybe he'll stumble onto something and surprise us all.

j.r.

I think so

[Dutch]

None of this is realistic I'm afraid.

That's how life ( in our dimensions ) is supposed to appear to you

[dafydd]

You must be a clever person .

No,merely a sane one. Zoek medische hulp jongen.

[Dutch]

No,merely a sane one. Zoek medische hulp jongen.

medisch of mentaal?

[Sideroxylon]

Well, the explanation and a picture have been posted in the beginning of this thread, so I guess you can find it

Had a quick look at the first few pages and found nothing. If by remote chance, you provided a geometrical proof of the Hawaiian Islands occupying some objectively significant point on our globe, feel free to link it.

[Dutch]

Dutch, you have yet to even do so much as demonstrate correlation or "coincidences" if you like.

When I mention a future timeframe on a timeline, they are always based on a preceding 'coincidence' and the intelligent correlations are given in a seperate post ( based on the elemensts of HDDesign ). You have to keep track on how this develops over time, that's why everything is logged realtime in the HDDesign material

[Dutch]

Had a quick look at the first few pages and found nothing. If by remote chance, you provided a geometrical proof of the Hawaiian Islands occupying some objectively significant point on our globe, feel free to link it.

You could be right, don't want to walk through this thread here right now. try this:

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=949&mforum=hddesign#949

[Daylightstar]

focus on future timeframes, you can compare it with HDDesign....and find out yourselves

As noted earlier, "HDDesign" has resisted all attempts to be demonstrated as real.
Which means, we have nothing to meaningfully compare a random action with.

[Daylightstar]

It seems to me, -snippity doodaa- contained.

That post by Dutch is a very good demonstration of:
He does not concern himself with what we might think, only with what he believes. ...

[Daylightstar]

My concern is what other people think indeed, ...

You however demonstrate in this thread that this is no concern for you.

[Dutch]

You however demonstrate in this thread that this is no concern for you.

I do not agree the way YOU think indeed, but that is going to change

[Dutch]

As noted earlier, "HDDesign" has resisted all attempts to be demonstrated as real.
Which means, we have nothing to meaningfully compare a random action with.

as per definition, HDDesign can't ever be proven as real to everyone ( potentially it can, but we don't live that long for most )

You want to describe reality by means of proven scientiffically concepts?

Without incorporation of consciousness?

without the interlinked connectedness with other dimensional realms?

make sure you don't live this life for nothing

[Daylightstar]

... They change you as a person. They change you in a way you feel responsibility. They change you in a way that you understand that you can make a difference.

It has nothing to do with a delusion, far from that.

These are pathological experiences, happening to you. It's unrealistic to expect that you can make a difference with these experiences.

Yes, it is a delusion.

[Daylightstar]

Well, the explanation and a picture have been posted in the beginning of this thread, so I guess you can find it

So, then the asked explanation is not there.
This type of dishonesty is quite common to you.

[Daylightstar]

I think so

Ofcourse you do.

[Daylightstar]

That's how life ( in our dimensions ) is supposed to appear to you

It means you haven't demonstrated otherwise.

[Daylightstar]

I do not agree the way YOU think indeed, but that is going to change

We were not talking about agreement. But, you can start any time you like.

[Daylightstar]

as per definition, HDDesign can't ever be proven as real to everyone ( potentially it can, but we don't live that long for most )

You want to describe reality by means of proven scientiffically concepts?

Without incorporation of consciousness?

without the interlinked connectedness with other dimensional realms?

make sure you don't live this life for nothing

That's nice.

In the mean time, "HDDesign" has resisted all attempts to be demonstrated as real.
Nothing has changed....you haven't made a difference.

[dafydd]

medisch of mentaal?

Guess.

[Daylightstar]

... all these 'coincidences' ... They change you in a way that you understand that you can make a difference.

...
Bolding by Daylightstar

So far, you've accomplished nothing.

[Dutch]

These are pathological experiences, happening to you. It's unrealistic to expect that you can make a difference with these experiences.

Yes, it is a delusion.

W'll see.... I mean you'll see, I already know

[Wolrab]

So Dutch, what do you think of my astonishing hit with my new Plastic Dimensional Physics (PDP)? More dead balls accurate than most of the stuff you put up, for sure.

This is an official invite for anyone to use PDP to predict the future after it has passed. The only stipulation is that (unlike some) you must SHOW THE MATH! As plastic implies, there are many ways the math can be twisted and bent to fit. If there are several of us, we won't miss as much and hits won't slip by unnoticed as often.

The constant is :P=1.32471795724474602596…

Some of the same rules apply as with HDD. There is a window of opportunity of a day and a half on either side. If it didn't happen in the predicted year, wait til the next.
P can be massaged in any way possible so long as it is documented (this means SHOW YOUR MATH!) You can add, subtract, multiply, divide, square, cube, or raise to any power + or- or fractional, use of derivatives, integrals, and i is not only allowed, it is encouraged.

A hit can be confirmed if it can be argued to have something in common with the original event. Any event past, present, or future. has a PDP timeline.

Let's take Dutch up on his challenge!

[Dutch]

So, then the asked explanation is not there.
This type of dishonesty is quite common to you.

I post at dozens of forums through the years, do you think I can recall every single post? I thought it was but I haven't checked, I trust Sideroxylon that there isn't so I provided an alternative.

Again, nothing dishonest here. ( what's up with you? , you can't nail me on dishonesty)

[Dutch]

It means you haven't demonstrated otherwise.

deaf man's ears

[Daylightstar]

...( what's up with you? , you can't nail me on dishonesty)

You've been nailed on dishonesty soooo many times.

The "it's over there" trick has been employed by you so often, it's gotten stale.

[Dutch]

We were not talking about agreement. But, you can start any time you like.

When you start to change your perspective, you will know. irreversable

[Dutch]

That's nice.

In the mean time, "HDDesign" has resisted all attempts to be demonstrated as real.
Nothing has changed....you haven't made a difference.

HDDesign isn't supposed to be percepted as real at macrolevel in the first place, otherwise we would have lived our lives for nothing. Apparently we live in times that it does matter to understand this multi-dimensional reality, for whatever reason.

[Dutch]

Guess.

Mentaal?

Oh nee,

Alweer ernaast, stommerik dat ik ben

[Daylightstar]

...( what's up with you? , you can't nail me on dishonesty)

Here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6802560&postcount=4071
you were nailed on dishonesty, amongst other dishonesties, a variation of the "it's over there" trick.

The above quoted remark by you is thus dishonesty in and of itself.
Very, very nasty.

[Daylightstar]

HDDesign isn't supposed to be percepted as real at macrolevel in the first place, otherwise we would have lived our lives for nothing. Apparently we live in times that it does matter to understand this multi-dimensional reality, for whatever reason.

Still no accomplishments.

[Dutch]

Bolding by Daylightstar

So far, you've accomplished nothing.

You underestimate what I am doing, each single significant finding has reached thousands of reader whole over the world via the net. My geuss is that one way or the other, since I have started this 'research', there are hundreds of thousands of people from over the world who have been dealing with this HDDesign stuff and possibly changed their way of thinking and more important: they probably have changed their commitment to our reality as a result of it ( at least, if they've understood what this is about ).

[Dutch]

You've been nailed on dishonesty soooo many times.

The "it's over there" trick has been employed by you so often, it's gotten stale.

By who. You? I have never been dishonest. period. last word on this from my part

[Daylightstar]

... I have never been dishonest. period. ...

Heh.

It's recursive with you.

[Daylightstar]

... last word on this from my part

Not from my part.

[Sideroxylon]

as per definition, HDDesign can't ever be proven as real to everyone ( potentially it can, but we don't live that long for most

How long would data have to be collected to prove HDD to others?
What is this limitation based on?
If the evidence is not good enough for others, why should it be good enough for you?

[Dutch]

Bolding by Daylightstar

So far, you've accomplished nothing.

with you, yes

[Dutch]

Here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6802560&postcount=4071
you were nailed on dishonesty, amongst other dishonesties, a variation of the "it's over there" trick.

The above quoted remark by you is thus dishonesty in and of itself.
Very, very nasty.

links, links links, to out of context remarks. Be a big boy and tell me why I am dishonest.

[Dutch]

Still no accomplishments.
still pending for you, you can't expect change in a minute, dont yoü?

[Dutch]

still pending for you, you can't expect change in a minute, dont yoü?

For you, unfortunately, it takes more than a lifetime

[Daylightstar]

... last word on this from my part

And yet ...

links, links links, to out of context remarks. Be a big boy and tell me why I am dishonest.

See how little weight your words carry?

Another type of behavior which is not incidental.

[Dutch]

How long would data have to be collected to prove HDD to others?
What is this limitation based on?
If the evidence is not good enough for others, why should it be good enough for you?


Don't you guys have a weekend? its my second since February...

The anticipated future dates with expected underlying themes should show up instantly on the patterns, that's how they are logged on the timelines. The actual events can take longer to emerge, but should be linked to the predetermined timeframe. Especially these 'covert' operations that aren't meant to hit the mainstream headlines, are found to be valid expressions of the underlying themes at the predetermined timeframes. So its not only the mainstream news at the specific predetermined timeframe, you have to be aware of the developments that will follow, but there must be a connection to the predetremined timeframe and underlying theme

[Dutch]

I had to edit the previous post because it was my second weekend to respond and not the firts, I don't want to be dishonest you know

[Dutch]

And yet ...



See how little weight your words carry?

Another type of behavior which is not incidental.

just say it in your own words Day, why am I dishonest? you have to explain

[dafydd]

Mentaal?

Oh nee,

Alweer ernaast, stommerik dat ik ben

Self knowledge is the best knowledge.

[dafydd]

You underestimate what I am doing, each single significant finding has reached thousands of reader whole over the world via the net. My geuss is that one way or the other, since I have started this 'research', there are hundreds of thousands of people from over the world who have been dealing with this HDDesign stuff and possibly changed their way of thinking and more important: they probably have changed their commitment to our reality as a result of it ( at least, if they've understood what this is about ).

That is a fantasy. You are in a minority of one.

[ufology]

It seems to me, that besides our 3-dimensional reality ( or 4 with time, if you prefer ) there's a hidden underlying Design ...



OK ... I snipped the rest because it gets too nebulous and have no firm reference point from which to grasp what you are saying. I can see how the skeptics would jump all over it as "woo". So let's just consider the first part, "there's a hidden underlying Design ..."

There are some implications in both the word "hidden" and "design". For the moment, let's replace the word "design" with "pattern". This will eliminate any innuendo of "intelligent design", which is another issue.

So if we purport that there is a "hidden" underlying pattern, then it must be hidden "below" something ( either literally or as an analogy ). In your model, what is this pattern "hidden" under? For example, when science looks at the smallest things possible, our material universe turns out to be nothing material at all. Rather we find that instead of little "solid" building blocks, there are nebulous fields of energy with "properties" imparted on them by some as yet undertermined means. If we look even deeper ( and we have ), most of everything we experience as real is made of not only these nebulous fields, but empty space ( nothing ). In our reality, the things we perceive as solid material objects are actually mostly empty space and nebulous energy fields organized in patterns according to mathematical rules that give the impression to our minds, at a certian scale, that it is "real".

These discoveries have led some serious theoreticians, including myself ( although I'm more of an armchair guy ) to lean toward what is called the "computational model" of the universe. This model proposes that the bits of energy and the space in between that make up our universe, constitute "data", and that the properties of matter for which we have no explanation are imparted by the system that is generating this environment, which we call the universe. Now in this sense, we might be able to say that the "hidden pattern" might be analagous to the surface of a hard drive disk, or the crystal lattice of some other memory storage medium or whatever.

To explain this further, let's imagine that computers have become so sophisticated that they can generate game characters that are aware of their generated environments and can interact with them on their own. This actually isn't too far off in the future.

Now imagine one of these characters deciding to have a closer look at their world. What would they find? They would in fact find that their realm, including themselves, are made of large collections of very small things and maybe give them some name analagous to what call atoms.

As they looked closer and closer down into individual patterns, they would actually be looking at the patterns of tiny magnetic particles organized on a hard disk layer. However because they couldn't see the actual particles outside their environment, to them the pattern would be just ghostly energy "fields" organized by mathematical principles that seem to be imparted on them from some unseen source "hidden below" their level of reality ... very much like what our actual situation seems to be.

Are we talking about something similar, or are we talking about something else for which I have no concept?

j.r.

[Sideroxylon]

Sounds like a science fiction plot. How would they be able to see beyond the application layer as far the hardware layer?

[ufology]

Sounds like a science fiction plot. How would they be able to see beyond the application layer as far the hardware layer?



I agree we have a very good sci-fi plot here ... and I'm actually working on a story based on it. However the essential scientific and theoretical facts are not sci-fi.

To bridge the "application/hardware layer boundary", so to speak, we'd need to look at the concept of downloading/uploading consciousness. Of course that gets into a whole other can of worms. The really weird part is that on some level it all seems plausible. We can currently transfer a game character from one unit to the other, resurrect them and all kinds of woo stuff.

However actually going beyond the metaphorical hardware layer, first we need to establish it's even there. If it is, then there must be an "interface". We may not be able to bridge it ourselves right away, but if we could interact directly with it, we might be able to do incredible things. For example, from a practical perspective, distanace would be irrelevant. The speed of light would just be a reflection of the clock speed and to move from A to B anyplace would just be a cut and paste like operation ... not unlike a "stargate" where all that are needed are the coordinates. Like circumpolar navigation made curved lines on a flat map the shortest route, such a discovery would revolutionize interstellar ... even intergalactic travel ... and explain a bunch of woo too.

Hey ... it's all fun to contemplate ... just don't quote me as making any statement that I'm actually doing any "science" here or "believe" what I'm saying is actually the way it is ... just that if there is any plausibility, this approach at least has some remote thread of it in there.

j.r.

[Dutch]

I'm glad you throw consciousness into the mix here Ufo,because that's the essential part. No reality without consciousness. I agree to talk about patterns rather than Intelligent Design, because its us that are creating this reality, no Intelligent Design by a god from above of which we aren't part of. I assume that at consciousness level we do in fact exist at multiple levels, only to find ourselves consciously aware in this limited 3D reality when we are awake. I have had personal experiences in which distances were indeed irrelevant, although it didn't happen in my 'normal' conscious state in this reality. When we talk about a hidden underlying design of patterns, we might compare it with a ( energy ) field of which everything emerges from. Everything is part of it, that what we can percieve and the hidden parts that don't find direct expression in our 3D reality. But the indications that such a hidden underlying design of patterns exists are overwhelming for those who accept the possibility and set aside their ego's in order to trully think about it.

[The Man]

I'm glad you throw consciousness into the mix here Ufo,because that's the essential part. No reality without consciousness. I agree to talk about patterns rather than Intelligent Design, because its us that are creating this reality, no Intelligent Design by a god from above of which we aren't part of. I assume that at consciousness level we do in fact exist at multiple levels, only to find ourselves consciously aware in this limited 3D reality when we are awake. I have had personal experiences in which distances were indeed irrelevant, although it didn't happen in my 'normal' conscious state in this reality. When we talk about a hidden underlying design of patterns, we might compare it with a ( energy ) field of which everything emerges from. Everything is part of it, that what we can percieve and the hidden parts that don't find direct expression in our 3D reality. But the indications that such a hidden underlying design of patterns exists are overwhelming for those who accept the possibility and set aside their ego's in order to trully think about it.

“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”? Looks like you forgot about that “set aside their ego's” part in those assertions and again stop trying to just make everyone coconspirators to your delusion.

[Daylightstar]

... no Intelligent Design by a god from above of which we aren't part of. ...

Sheeeze, not again...

...
If its not God that has put Phobos and Deimos in such an intelligent orbit around Mars.....

Than who did?
...

[Dutch]

“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”? Looks like you forgot about that “set aside their ego's” part in those assertions and again stop trying to just make everyone coconspirators to your delusion.

Do you really think that whatever reality could exist without consciousness to be aware of it?

[Dutch]

Sheeeze, not again...

Yeah, who did?

[Hans]

I find it difficult to believe but old Dutch is getting weirder

[Daylightstar]

Yeah, who did?

You did, again, displaying dishonesty.

[Daylightstar]

I find it difficult to believe but old Dutch is getting weirder

Dutch's dishonesty is defenitely getting bizarre.

[Paul]

He seems to be regressing, the current insistence that if he isn't aware of something it doesn't exist indicates he has just lost object permanence.

[The Man]

Do you really think that whatever reality could exist without consciousness to be aware of it?

You should probably look up the definition of reality.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reality


Look at 4 (a)….


reality (rɪˈælɪtɪ)


— n , pl -ties
1. the state of things as they are or appear to be, rather than as one might wish them to be
2. something that is real
3. the state of being real
4. philosophy
a. that which exists, independent of human awareness
b. See also conceptualism Compare appearance the totality of facts as they are independent of human awareness of them
5. in reality actually; in fact


What you or I “really think” is irrelevant as the independence of reality from human awareness is explicit in the meaning of, well, reality.

[The Man]

He seems to be regressing, the current insistence that if he isn't aware of something it doesn't exist indicates he has just lost object permanence.

Apprently but evidently, in that Faustian like bargain, he’s gained "The Force"....




Obi-wan Kenobi

“The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”



When we talk about a hidden underlying design of patterns, we might compare it with a ( energy ) field of which everything emerges from. Everything is part of it, that what we can percieve and the hidden parts that don't find direct expression in our 3D reality. But the indications that such a hidden underlying design of patterns exists are overwhelming for those who accept the possibility and set aside their ego's in order to trully think about it.

Guess he still needs to work on the Jedi mind trick though.

[Dutch]

I find it difficult to believe but old Dutch is getting weirder

for sure its getting weirder for you

[Dutch]

You did, again, displaying dishonesty.

? Who placed Phobos in a decaying orbit towards 1/Pi in earth time, only seconds away when I speak?

Is this the way you explain in your own words why I am dishonest?

Try again

[Dutch]

in terms of sidereal orbital period I mean

[Dutch]

Dutch's dishonesty is defenitely getting bizarre.

you like 'dishonesty' as much as earl likes salads

[Dutch]

He seems to be regressing, the current insistence that if he isn't aware of something it doesn't exist indicates he has just lost object permanence.

I think we all agree of what obviously exists, because we can actually notice it with our limited minds. The essence is to understand what exists beyond your immediate perception, the indications are there if your smart enough to recognize

[Dutch]

You should probably look up the definition of reality.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reality


Look at 4 (a)….



What you or I “really think” is irrelevant as the independence of reality from human awareness is explicit in the meaning of, well, reality.

What makes you think that human awareness is the only expression of consciousness?

[Daylightstar]

? Who placed Phobos in a decaying orbit towards 1/Pi in earth time, only seconds away when I speak?

Is this the way you explain in your own words why I am dishonest?

Try again

You are misrepresenting my post.
Nothing new, the dishonesty continues.

[Dutch]

In your own words, waiting for you to see the dailight

[Sideroxylon]

This is just getting sad. This thread is going off subscribe.

[Daylightstar]

you like 'dishonesty' as much as earl likes salads

From your first post in this thread:
...
It's about changing the 'energy' involved.

Kind a 'Heisenberg princible' at macro level, with positive energy (love) as driving force.
...

Actually, with HDDesign HDDelusion, as is plainly visible, it is negative energy (flagrant dishonesty) which is your driving force.

HDDelusion is ugly, very very ugly.

[Dutch]

Apprently but evidently, in that Faustian like bargain, he’s gained "The Force"....


Guess he still needs to work on the Jedi mind trick though.

You do overestimate your pressence here man, compared to other consciousness levels you are nothing but a nuthead.

[Dutch]

This is just getting sad. This thread is going off subscribe.

later

[Daylightstar]

just say it in your own words Day, why am I dishonest? you have to explain
This is dishonest as well.
The link and the links contained therein demonstrate your dishonesty.

But you already know this, since those linked posts have passed in front of your eyes already.

It is dishonest of you to pretend not to know this.
So no, I don't have to explain them...again.

[Dutch]

From your first post in this thread:


Actually, with HDDesign HDDelusion, as is plainly visible, it is negative energy (flagrant dishonesty) which is your driving force.

HDDelusion is ugly, very very ugly.

apart of the change in 'delusion' , I do agree with you here. Its especially the dark side of our consciousness that bares the fingerprints of this hidden underlying design ( or patterns Ufo ).
You better do something with it now you know

[Dutch]

This is dishonest as well.
The link and the links contained therein demonstrate your dishonesty.

But you already know this, since those linked posts have passed in front of your eyes already.

It is dishonest of you to pretend not to know this.
So no, I don't have to explain them...again.

waiting.......

[Daylightstar]

From your first post in this thread:
...
with positive energy (love) as driving force.
...

Then:
... you are nothing but a nuthead.

[Daylightstar]

waiting.......

This is a dishonest response as well.

[Daylightstar]

... Its especially the dark side of our consciousness that bares the fingerprints of this hidden underlying design ...

Is that why you dispense so much negative energy with all your dishonesty.

[Mister Earl]

Know what'll never prove HDD, Dutch? Driving up your post count with non-informative posts.
Know what's the only thing that could prove HDD, Dutch? Applying the scientific method and testing it.

And for six or seven years, now, you've been doing the former and not the latter.

[The Man]

What makes you think that human awareness is the only expression of consciousness?

Way to miss the point Dutch...


http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality?region=us



reality(re•al•i•ty)

Syllabification:
• On
• Off
Pronunciation:/rēˈalətē, /

noun (plural realities)
• 1 the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them:



If that is not clear enough for you then I again recommend you look up the meaning of the word reality.

So I guess this wasn’t you…

No reality without consciousness. I agree to talk about patterns rather than Intelligent Design, because its us that are creating this reality, no Intelligent Design by a god from above of which we aren't part of.

Unless you mean that “us” the ones “creating this reality” aren’t human.




And I asked the question first...


“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is?


Dancing around it to just end right back exactly where you were yesterday isn’t going to help you.

[Dutch]

Is that why you dispense so much negative energy with all your dishonesty.

I think you are projecting 'dishonesty' to me for what your limited perspective means to you

[The Man]

You do overestimate your pressence here man, compared to other consciousness levels you are nothing but a nuthead.

I provided no estimation (over or otherwise) of my "pressence here". So whatever you’re bemoaning about it can only be just you and it does seem accurately descriptive therein.

[Daylightstar]

I think you are projecting 'dishonesty' to me for what your limited perspective means to you

No Dutch, not 'dishonesty', dishonesty. The stuff that you dispense with almost every post.

[Dutch]

Know what'll never prove HDD, Dutch? Driving up your post count with non-informative posts.
Know what's the only thing that could prove HDD, Dutch? Applying the scientific method and testing it.

And for six or seven years, now, you've been doing the former and not the latter.

I prefer posts with HDdesign content, its you guys who are responsible for the 'noise' that drives up the post count. The 'times read' is more important, don't think they read it because of these irrelevant interruptions

[Dutch]

man, I have never said that we are the only ones who create reality

[The Man]

Is that why you dispense so much negative energy with all your dishonesty.


KuStsFW4EmQ

[Daylightstar]

I prefer posts with HDdesign content, its you guys who are responsible for the 'noise' that drives up the post count. The 'times read' is more important, don't think they read it because of these irrelevant interruptions

Yes, you don't like to be challenged and you don't really like or intend to discuss. For which there is ample evidence in this thread.

[Daylightstar]

... don't think they read it because of these irrelevant interruptions

In that case I invite readers to indicate why they do read this thread!

[Dutch]

Yes, you don't like to be challenged and you don't really like or intend to discuss. For which there is ample evidence in this thread.

Oh yes I do like to be challenged and I do like to discuss indeed.
What I do prefer is the required level of conversation. I'm talking to you with the handbrakes on, bit by bit because of your state of mind

[The Man]

man, I have never said that we are the only ones who create reality



My user name is “The Man” not ‘man’

And I’ll repeat the questions again for you…

“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”?

Since you evidently just want to ignore the fact that they were initially asked.

[Dutch]

In that case I invite readers to indicate why they do read this thread!
Clever readers just want to find out how this evolves, they don't want to interfere, they understand its just obstruction. Personally I don't have a problem to respond to irrelevant issues occasionally

[Daylightstar]

...I'm talking to you with the handbrakes on,...

Hehehe that's true...

[Paul]

I think we all agree of what obviously exists,On the contrary, your definition includes things which are only in your mind.


because we can actually notice it with our limited minds.Some people's minds are less limited than yours, many are considerably less.


The essence is to understand what exists beyond your immediate perception,You are still confusing your internal monologue with reality.


the indications are there if your smart enough to recognizeSo you're the smartest guy in the world eh?

[Daylightstar]

Clever readers just want to find out how this evolves, they don't want to interfere, they understand its just obstruction. Personally I don't have a problem to respond to irrelevant issues occasionally

Let's see what they'll say if anything, or more importantly, whether you'll get much confirmation.

[Dutch]

man, its a big universe whe exist in, do you really think human consciousness is the only way to find expression? I'm not even talking about interlinked expressions of consciousness from other dimensional realms right now.

Let me ask you a question: In your humble opinion, where or how does consciousness find expression in our reality, besides human awareness?

[Dutch]

Hehehe that's true...

In a sense I like you:)

[The Man]

Agian...

My user name is “The Man” not ‘man’

And I’ll repeat the questions again for you…

“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”?

Since you evidently just want to ignore the fact that they were initially asked.

[Hans]

for sure its getting weirder for you

and absolutely certain that you are making stuff up.....LOL

[Daylightstar]

In a sense I like you:)

But you don't know why I said what I said ...

[Paul]

Oh yes I do like to be challenged and I do like to discuss indeed.For someone who claims to like a challenge and a discussion, you spend an awful amount of time avoiding both.

As I'm not a particularly charitable man with idiots, I'll call that entirely dishonest.


What I do prefer is the required level of conversation.You have singularly failed to engage in any meaningful level of conversation at all; gainsaying, obfuscation, dishonesty and wilful ignorance are not conversation.


I'm talking to you with the handbrakes on, bit by bit because of your state of mindOh please, unleash the mighty behemoth of your intellect.

[Dutch]

1: On the contrary, your definition includes things which are only in your mind.


2: Some people's minds are less limited than yours, many are considerably less.


3: You are still confusing your internal monologue with reality.


4: So you're the smartest guy in the world eh?

1: as confirmed in reality
2: great!! like to meet them, would be a relief.
3: we still live in the same reality aren't we?
4: It's a big world, there are alot of smart people out there, doesn't mean they are wise

[Dutch]

But you don't know why I said what I said ...

Don't bother, I don't want to have sex with you

[Dutch]

off now, early wakeup call ( couldn't come soon enough for most of you :))

[Hans]

Well I thought I would check in and see what Dutch is up to - and find it's tge same thing he's been doing for eight years.....mental mastubation.

I see this thread as a modern equivalent of the Uncle Remus' tar baby, a tar baby for people who actually think Dutch has something to actually say.......

[Paul]

1: as confirmed in realityThus proving my point.

You appear to have less than a fleeting relationship with with reality.


2: great!! like to meet them, would be a relief.Every time one of them tries to help you, you refuse to engage in meaningful discussion.


3: we still live in the same reality aren't we?With your definition of reality, it's hard to tell.


4: It's a big world, there are alot of smart people out there, doesn't mean they are wiseWhat makes you fit to judge?

[dafydd]

In that case I invite readers to indicate why they do read this thread!

To see how insane Dutch's posts can get.

[dafydd]

man, its a big universe whe exist in, do you really think human consciousness is the only way to find expression? I'm not even talking about interlinked expressions of consciousness from other dimensional realms right now.

Let me ask you a question: In your humble opinion, where or how does consciousness find expression in our reality, besides human awareness?

Other dimensional realms? Nonsense.

[Blue Mountain]

? Who placed Phobos in a decaying orbit towards 1/Pi in earth time, only seconds away when I speak?

Is this the way you explain in your own words why I am dishonest?

Try again

Options (one or may may apply):

Luck of the draw
Law of large numbers
Data mining
Confirmation bias
Anomaly hunting
Argument from final consequences
Correlation is not causation
Ad-hoc reasoning


First, There are 175 natural satellites in the solar system. That's a good pool to draw from.

Second, when doing computations on orbital periods you have the option to use units of time based on Earth (number of hours in a day, number of days in a year) or units of time based on the planet the satellite orbits (number of hours in the planet's day, number of Earth days in the planet's orbit about the sun, number of planet's days in the planet's orbit about the sun, or even the number of planet's days in the Earth's orbit about the sun.) Add in sidereal vs solar days and you've just doubled the amount of numbers you can play with.

Third, you feel free to use any basic arithmetic operation that strikes your fancy: addition, subtraction, division, or multiplication. Now you've quadrupled the amount of numbers you can play with.

Fourth, you have a host of constants to draw on, your favourite being pi, but there are others such as c, e, and phi; or the Golden Mean which you talked about a lot earlier on.

Throw into a barrel, mix and match, and you're sure to find some interesting stuff. But one interesting thing does not a pattern make. And a bunch of unrelated interesting things still does not a pattern make.

[Orphia Nay]

So Dutch, what do you think of my astonishing hit with my new Plastic Dimensional Physics (PDP)? More dead balls accurate than most of the stuff you put up, for sure.

This is an official invite for anyone to use PDP to predict the future after it has passed. The only stipulation is that (unlike some) you must SHOW THE MATH! As plastic implies, there are many ways the math can be twisted and bent to fit. If there are several of us, we won't miss as much and hits won't slip by unnoticed as often.

The constant is :P=1.32471795724474602596…

Some of the same rules apply as with HDD. There is a window of opportunity of a day and a half on either side. If it didn't happen in the predicted year, wait til the next.
P can be massaged in any way possible so long as it is documented (this means SHOW YOUR MATH!) You can add, subtract, multiply, divide, square, cube, or raise to any power + or- or fractional, use of derivatives, integrals, and i is not only allowed, it is encouraged.

A hit can be confirmed if it can be argued to have something in common with the original event. Any event past, present, or future. has a PDP timeline.

Let's take Dutch up on his challenge!

:D :thumbsup:

I dare someone to connect Benny Hill and Benny Hinn in 7 calculations or less.

[Dutch]

First, There are 175 natural satellites in the solar system. That's a good pool to draw from.




Only the inner planets ( 4 ) already unveil a massive quantity of intelligent correlations, after an intuitive thought or synchronicity.

Maybe there's a mind smart enough to describe the reflection of our reality into the elements within our solarsystem in every detail, at macro and micro level, but I think that's a bridge too far for the human mind don't you think?

I, for one, would like to incorporate the outer planets into my understanding.

[Dutch]

Second, when doing computations on orbital periods you have the option to use units of time based on Earth (number of hours in a day, number of days in a year) or units of time based on the planet the satellite orbits (number of hours in the planet's day, number of Earth days in the planet's orbit about the sun, number of planet's days in the planet's orbit about the sun, or even the number of planet's days in the Earth's orbit about the sun.) Add in sidereal vs solar days and you've just doubled the amount of numbers you can play with.


Silly you, as you know I only use the sidereal orbits expressed in Earth time

[Dutch]

Third, you feel free to use any basic arithmetic operation that strikes your fancy: addition, subtraction, division, or multiplication. Now you've quadrupled the amount of numbers you can play with.


only backwards and forwards in our perception of time

[Dutch]

Fourth, you have a host of constants to draw on, your favourite being pi, but there are others such as c, e, and phi; or the Golden Mean which you talked about a lot earlier on.


Pi in the way as expressed in the HDDesign material and the Golden Mean yes, which is omnipresent

[Dutch]

Throw into a barrel, mix and match, and you're sure to find some interesting stuff. But one interesting thing does not a pattern make. And a bunch of unrelated interesting things still does not a pattern make.

You show me once and for all that you find interesting stuff ( without HDDesign ), do that for an extended period of time and share your expectations for future timeframes with us. If you do so, you've got all rights to express yourselves as you have been doing all this time. If not, you might better change your attitude

[Dutch]

:D :thumbsup:

I dare someone to connect Benny Hill and Benny Hinn in 7 calculations or less.

Yeah, still waiting for your first clever remark, after 20K+ posts

[Dutch]

and Orphia,

Why don't you try to deal with me in other places on the net? You've tried elsewhere but you had backoff because you couldn't find support. You even doesn't dare it as a moderator on a forum I'm posting at.
Here you use some of these 'rigids' to do the dirty work for you and once in a while you come by to drop a little remark as an effort to ridicule the HDDesign material. Nice job you have.
Be a good girl and show some intelligent perception of what we are dealing with here

[Daylightstar]

...
show some intelligent perception of what we are dealing with here

Well, you have been presenting a delusion, with certain behaviors indicating that it's slightly more serious than just a delusion.

[Dutch]

I don't think she's underaged, Orphia can talk for herself

[Daylightstar]

I don't think she's underaged, ...

Ofcourse not, oh wait, I see what you mean with underaged. :D

[Daylightstar]

Oh well, anyway, there you have the perception that you create in our familiar 3-dimensional reality.

[Paul]

I don't think she's underaged, Orphia can talk for herselfYou seem to have a rather odd obsession with Orphia, do your family know?

[Paul]

Only the inner planets ( 4 ) already unveil a massive quantity of intelligent correlations, after an intuitive thought or synchronicity.Actually they don't.

As to the other natural satellites, why do you deliberately ignore them?


...but I think that's a bridge too far for the human mind don't you think?It's a bridge too far for the sane mind to consider.


I, for one, would like to incorporate the outer planets into my understanding.It's your system.

[Paul]

Silly you, as you know I only use the sidereal orbits expressed in Earth timeAs you never explain the 'system', how are we to know what the rules are?

[Paul]

only backwards and forwards in our perception of timeThat's the result, not the operation.

[Orphia Nay]

and Orphia,

Why don't you try to deal with me in other places on the net?

Yes, I have talked to you in a number of places. But unlike you, my world doesn't revolve around HDD, so I can't be everywhere you are.

You've tried elsewhere but you had backoff because you couldn't find support.

Evidence for me "backing off" and evidence it was "because I couldn't find support"? Plus, see above.

You even doesn't dare it as a moderator on a forum I'm posting at.

Are you talking about CR? I'm rather bored with that place, plus see above.


Here you use some of these 'rigids' to do the dirty work for you and once in a while you come by to drop a little remark as an effort to ridicule the HDDesign material. Nice job you have.

Yes, all the other people posting in this thread are at my beck and call. I have The Power!!!!111!! :oldroll: :oldroll: :oldroll:


Be a good girl and show some intelligent perception of what we are dealing with here

You would only think my perception was intelligent if it came from a mind-meld with your own.

I think I did quite well in this post, 5 years ago:

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/45908-Guy-predicting-the-future-using-quot-Hyperdimensional-Design-quot?p=890187#post890187


You seem to have a rather odd obsession with Orphia, do your family know?

Yes, I'm glad someone else noticed that.

Dutch, I spend quite enough time on your delusion as it is, but you're welcome to start a thread at my forum. I spend more time there, so I'm likely to give you the extra attention you want from me for some reason.

[Paul]

Yes, all the other people posting in this thread are at my beck and call. I have The Power!!!!111!!All hail Orphia! I, for one, welcome our new Australasian overlords...:kangaroo:



What is your command great one?

[Orphia Nay]

:D Keep being "rigid", men! ;)

Further instructions will be forwarded in the usual way, via PM. ;)

[Daylightstar]

The Rigids Regiment

2 Protect and Serve

[Daylightstar]

:D Keep being "rigid", men! ;)

...

Help, I cant't not't move

[dafydd]

Yeah, still waiting for your first clever remark, after 20K+ posts

I'm still waiting for your first sane remark,also for a prediction instead of old news. C'mon amaze us,show us the power of HDD and predict something so we can test it.

[Daylightstar]

Do you battle with depression, Dutch?

[The Man]

Only the inner planets ( 4 ) already unveil a massive quantity of intelligent correlations, after an intuitive thought or synchronicity.

Maybe there's a mind smart enough to describe the reflection of our reality into the elements within our solarsystem in every detail, at macro and micro level, but I think that's a bridge too far for the human mind don't you think?

I, for one, would like to incorporate the outer planets into my understanding.


So then just do it, as it is just your contrivance you can deliberately include any of the planets you want.



Silly you, as you know I only use the sidereal orbits expressed in Earth time


Silly you, for missing that was exactly the point.


only backwards and forwards in our perception of time

Hence entirely one dimensional. So the only thing ‘hyper’ is still just your hype.


Pi in the way as expressed in the HDDesign material and the Golden Mean yes, which is omnipresent

Omnipresent? So they are everywhere? Thanks Dutch for admitting your correlations are just a contrivance of your own selective interpretations that you extract from, well, anywhere and everywhere.





Any answers to these questions yet Dutch?


“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”?


Perhaps we are to take your apparent obsession with Orphia Nay and her recent ascription as master of the ‘rigids’ (all rigid hails to Orphia Nay) as indicative of her being the chief architect of your purported ‘consciousness created reality’?

[Blue Mountain]

You show me once and for all that you find interesting stuff ( without HDDesign ), do that for an extended period of time and share your expectations for future timeframes with us. If you do so, you've got all rights to express yourselves as you have been doing all this time. If not, you might better change your attitude
I prefer to spend my time working at a good job and reading interesting things on the internet rather then pouring though hundreds and thousands of disconnected data points looking for patterns. Other people, most notably astrologers and end-time Christians, do these sorts of things all the time. And--no surprise this--they end up every bit as wrong as you while being just as convinced they are correct.

[Daylightstar]

... design ( or patterns Ufo ).
...

j.r./ufology, is discussing designs and patterns with Dutch not your cup of tea anymore?

[dafydd]

Only the inner planets ( 4 ) already unveil a massive quantity of intelligent correlations, after an intuitive thought or synchronicity.

Maybe there's a mind smart enough to describe the reflection of our reality into the elements within our solarsystem in every detail, at macro and micro level, but I think that's a bridge too far for the human mind don't you think?

I, for one, would like to incorporate the outer planets into my understanding.

Gibberish.

[Dutch]

Evidence for me "backing off" and evidence it was "because I couldn't find support"? Plus, see above.



at FCN

[Dutch]

Are you talking about CR? I'm rather bored with that place


Yes, you doesn't seem to interact at all at CR.

I know why

Its a members only forum

I only post at such forums to give the kind like you the impression you've contained me

[Dutch]

Dutch, I spend quite enough time on your delusion as it is, but you're welcome to start a thread at my forum. I spend more time there, so I'm likely to give you the extra attention you want from me for some reason.


You haven't done anything yet, you avoid to start an intelligent discussion with me.

When you respond here, its not too much to ask to show some IQ.

If you can't, than ignore the thread

[Dutch]

The Rigids Regiment




2 Protect and Serve


you are with more than two

[Dutch]

I'm still waiting for your first sane remark,also for a prediction instead of old news. C'mon amaze us,show us the power of HDD and predict something so we can test it.

You still don't understand what HDDesign is about.

So you want exact predictions you can test scientifically, what has that to do with HDDesign??

[Dutch]

Do you battle with depression, Dutch?

I don't consider our communication as a battle

[Dutch]

man, make a statement. You know I won't reply on those split quotes

[Dutch]

I prefer to spend my time working at a good job and reading interesting things on the internet rather then pouring though hundreds and thousands of disconnected data points looking for patterns. Other people, most notably astrologers and end-time Christians, do these sorts of things all the time. And--no surprise this--they end up every bit as wrong as you while being just as convinced they are correct.

so this post was another waste of time for you

[Daylightstar]

at FCN

Ah, a new installment of the "it's over there" trick. 1 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7401319&postcount=4358) 2 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7401338&postcount=4362)

Knowing your m.o., this means no confirming evidence will be found where you say it is.
As usual.

[Daylightstar]

I don't consider our communication as a battle

Excellent!

Well, Do you battle with depression, Dutch?

[Daylightstar]

You still don't understand what HDDesign is about.
...

It's rather obvious, Dutch.
HDDesign HDDelusion is all about you.

[The Man]

I don't consider our communication as a battle

No one asked if you did consider “our communication as a battle” or not.

Here is the question again…

Do you battle with depression, Dutch?

I too would be interested in an honest answer to that question.

[The Man]

man, make a statement.

I made several.



You know I won't reply on those split quotes

As your history demonstrates your propensity not to reply to direct statements and questions, the restriction stated above hardly has any significance.

You have been advised of my user name before, be advised now that I will not read or reply to any post that you deliberately misaddress.

[dafydd]

Yes, you doesn't seem to interact at all at CR.

I know why

Its a members only forum

I only post at such forums to give the kind like you the impression you've contained me

Contained you? Why would you need containing? Nobody takes your fantasies seriously.

[dafydd]

You still don't understand what HDDesign is about.

So you want exact predictions you can test scientifically, what has that to do with HDDesign??

So HDD is totally useless.

[Paul]

Dutch, you wasted 8 posts today behaving like a child, insulting, lying and adding nothing to the discussion.

Is there a reason why people should believe that you are taking HDD seriously?

[Daylightstar]

... don't think they read it because of these irrelevant interruptions

In that case I invite readers to indicate why they do read this thread!

Let's see what they'll say if anything, or more importantly, whether you'll get much confirmation.

So far, no confirmations, at all.

[Blue Mountain]

so this post was another waste of time for you

Indeed. Following the responses on this thread is about as much time as prefer to waste on HDD. I'd take it much more seriously if it could be shown it has some value. So far all I've seen is a bunch of simple arithmetic operations applied to numbers, the source of which is usually the orbital period of some object in the solar system, and a whole lot of shoehorning of the resulting numbers into current newsfeeds.

I notice, for example that HDD did nothing to indicate Norway would make headlines the world over when one of its citizens decided to kill 76 of his fellow people. You did just as well as the astrologers and psychics on that one.

[Dutch]

Indeed. Following the responses on this thread is about as much time as prefer to waste on HDD. I'd take it much more seriously if it could be shown it has some value. So far all I've seen is a bunch of simple arithmetic operations applied to numbers, the source of which is usually the orbital period of some object in the solar system, and a whole lot of shoehorning of the resulting numbers into current newsfeeds.

I notice, for example that HDD did nothing to indicate Norway would make headlines the world over when one of its citizens decided to kill 76 of his fellow people. You did just as well as the astrologers and psychics on that one.

I understand that HDdesign is a bridge too far for most and I also agree that there's too much data to cope with. For these reasons I will rewrite the most significant findings during the months ahead.

I will write a series of articles, these could be expected:

HDDesign Pi-based
unveiling profound intelligent correlations based on Pi in a specific way, which I have called the HDDesign Pi-based Design

Deep Impact on Comet tempel 1
Golden Mean Phi based Deep Impact on comet Tempel 1, Hirhoshima / Nagasaki , Tunguska Event and flight 522 'running towards nuclear event on autopilot'.

Phi-based disharmony between Earth and Venus
Phi-based disharmony between Earth and Venus confirms Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron based precession cycle.

Contact
The 'communication' that seems to be unveiled through this HDDesign 'research'.

The assassination of Rafik Hariri
The assassination of Rafik Hariri as initial trigger in an evolving war scenario, followed by a future US-Korean and/or China-Taiwan ( USA ) conflict.

Solar Activity & the end of the Mayan Long Count
Implications of this HDDesign 'research' in relation to the end of the Mayan Long Count.

Orbital period of Phobos on a Cosmic Countdown
The decaying orbit of Phobos will result, especially because Phobos is speeding up, in an sidereal orbital period on a cosmic countdown towards 1/Pi in our perception of time, currently only seconds away.

st. Helens about to be succeeded by Yellowstone at HD Cube
Yellowstone as the next 'expression' at the main Hyper Dimensional Cube location at macrolevel.

Global Earth Crust Displacements
about early indications of a Global ECD

The regular HDDesign 'research' will continue as usual and I expect more subjects will be rewritten in an article. The timelines for our current timeframe and the immediate are up and running and can be found at HDDesign forum. These timelines are updated regularly and can be found here:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewforum.php?f=1&mforum=hddesign
( you can login as user 'reader' with password 'reader')

Based on these articles I would like to discuss with you, something has to be done in order to increase mutual understanding.

I will let you know when an article is finished, it wouldn't be posted here because that's not allowed but I'll make sure you know were to find it. I haven't read responses since my last visit, I will do that later on.

See you ,

Dutch

[Hans]

I predict:

Nothing, Dutch will not produce the material above - he'll fade away and return in a few days, weeks or months and act like nothing at all has occurred and if pressed on the matter he will insist that he is 'working on it', LOL

[Mister Earl]

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/Whackjob_photos/kittypieget-1.jpg

We have one hundred and thirteen pages and zero progress. Dutch has made no moves to either prove or disprove HDD. Why is this thread still open? If nothing else, the entirety of this thread up to this point is adequate evidence that no progress is possible.

[Dutch]

I prefer to spend my time working at a good job and reading interesting things on the internet rather then pouring though hundreds and thousands of disconnected data points looking for patterns. Other people, most notably astrologers and end-time Christians, do these sorts of things all the time. And--no surprise this--they end up every bit as wrong as you while being just as convinced they are correct.

I will serve you blue, I will publish some articles during the months ahead and than we talk again

[Dutch]

No one asked if you did consider “our communication as a battle” or not.

Here is the question again…



I too would be interested in an honest answer to that question.

not at all

[Dutch]

I made several.




As your history demonstrates your propensity not to reply to direct statements and questions, the restriction stated above hardly has any significance.

You have been advised of my user name before, be advised now that I will not read or reply to any post that you deliberately misaddress.

oke man

[Dutch]

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/Whackjob_photos/kittypieget-1.jpg

We have one hundred and thirteen pages and zero progress. Dutch has made no moves to either prove or disprove HDD. Why is this thread still open? If nothing else, the entirety of this thread up to this point is adequate evidence that no progress is possible.

i'm pretty much sure there's still hope for you

[Dutch]

I predict:

Nothing, Dutch will not produce the material above - he'll fade away and return in a few days, weeks or months and act like nothing at all has occurred and if pressed on the matter he will insist that he is 'working on it', LOL

be patient, I'll let you know where to find.

[Mister Earl]

i'm pretty much sure there's still hope for you

But this thread isn't about me, is it? It's about HDD. And in one hundred and thirteen pages, you've made zero effort in providing evidence for your claims. Give us something to work with. You've already been explained as to why what you're giving us isn't enough.

[Daylightstar]

.... you've made zero effort in providing evidence for your claims.
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We have one hundred and thirteen pages and zero progress. Dutch has made no moves to either prove or disprove HDD. ...
Minor accentuation by Daylightstar

Exactly.

[Daylightstar]

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Based on these articles I would like to discuss with you, something has to be done in order to increase mutual understanding. ...

Nothing will change. Your dishonesty will be the same, your lying will be the same.
Your claimed wish for mutual understanding is a lie. You've had so much opportunity to create some measure of understanding, but you have lied your way out of it continuously.

Dishonesty and lies are your driving force.

When you talk to people about HDDesign HDDelusion, you are essentially lying to them.
When you talk to your family or acquaintances about HDDesign HDDelusion, you are essentially lying to them.
When your children are older, and you talk to them about HDDesign HDDelusion, and you will, you are essentially lying to them.

Nothing will change.

[Daylightstar]

not at all

Maybe.

There are many other possibilities.

[Blue Mountain]

I understand that HDdesign is a bridge too far for most and I also agree that there's too much data to cope with. For these reasons I will rewrite the most significant findings during the months ahead.

I will write a series of articles, these could be expected:

[Headings retained; comments snipped for brevity]

HDDesign Pi-based

Deep Impact on Comet tempel 1

Phi-based disharmony between Earth and Venus

Contact

The assassination of Rafik Hariri

Solar Activity & the end of the Mayan Long Count

Orbital period of Phobos on a Cosmic Countdown

st. Helens about to be succeeded by Yellowstone at HD Cube

Global Earth Crust Displacements
These articles are likely to be an interesting read. I'll be curious to see if any of them contain rational for some of the more curious arithmetic I've seen in HDD.

The regular HDDesign 'research' will continue as usual and I expect more subjects will be rewritten in an article. The timelines for our current timeframe and the immediate are up and running and can be found at HDDesign forum. These timelines are updated regularly and can be found here:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewforum.php?f=1&mforum=hddesign
( you can login as user 'reader' with password 'reader')

Based on these articles I would like to discuss with you, something has to be done in order to increase mutual understanding.

I will let you know when an article is finished, it wouldn't be posted here because that's not allowed but I'll make sure you know were to find it. I haven't read responses since my last visit, I will do that later on.
All right. As far as pointing to the articles goes, I think it would be acceptable if you post a link to the article and include its introduction, or a brief description of what the article contains, much as you did in the post I'm responding to,

[Hans]

ZERO EFFORT ZERO PROGRESS


TIMES

the many other forums where he does exactly the same thing, nothing accomplished, just denial, refusal and a great deal of comedy gold for those who like to watch a guy making up stuff....

[Daylightstar]

These articles are likely to be an interesting read. I'll be curious to see if any of them contain rational for some of the more curious arithmetic I've seen in HDD.
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I myself am quite interested to see how many people will go over to his stories and discuss them here.