Hyper Dimensional Design

[Paul]

All questions you are referring to in this post were already answered in this thread.You keep saying you are serious but then undermine yourself at every opportunity by spending more time avoiding answering than anything else, with the possible current exception of disingenuous claims of intent.


I have mentioned several times here that I will ignore repeated questions that are already dealt with in this thread . You know that.It's a very convenient excuse, especially when we disagree that you have provided an answer.


Calling me one monumental barbaric liar is as low as it can get.You must lead a very sheltered life.

[Paul]

So explain why I am wrongCould you be more specific, otherwise we could be here all day.

[Paul]

I don't have high expectations from you, but you could at least try.Could I? Because everything anyone has tried so far has achieved absolutely nothing.

[Dutch]

Your numbers that you post would be correct if the equation included the proper "degrees per day statement in the equation. It doesn't. Yet the numbers are based on its being there. There's not too many conclusions that can be drawn from that situation.

It is plain obvious that the calculation is about a geometrically determined spot as expressed in Earth days. You've quoted it from the initial calculation in the HDDesign material, which has been logged realtime.
You stated that the calculation is wrong and gave another number of days that would be correct.

It appears that your number of days is incorrect but you still insist that I am wrong. Why is that?

[Dutch]

1. "ESP" - the mystical beyond is beaming the numbers directly to your brain without your having to understand them. Yeah.




says someone who is using incorrect data and thinks that he can ridicule me based on his own errors.

[Dutch]

2. Someone else is doing the math for you but is unaware that you have the statment wrong.



The calculations are valid and you were wrong. Simple.

I prefer to do the calculations myself, we have just seen here what happens when others think to know it better and refuse to admit that they are wrong.

[Dutch]

3. Someone else prepared an Excel spreadsheet for you a long time ago. You're blindly plugging in the numbers without being aware of the underlying equations, functions and statements in the sheet. But because you don't understand the statement and its function you invert days and degrees. Your previous post makes that very clear.



again, my calculations are correct. you are wrong

[Dutch]

However, it is all moot. I was bored with the Dutch topic years ago, I'm still bored with it and you have demonstrated that you will likely never cooperate with the regular members here or on any other site. Why one bothers to go to a discussion forum and refuses to discuss is beyond me. What's the point?


apparently self-critisism is not in your book. I can understand that you are bored and I also understand that you can make an error, but that doesn't mean that you have to insist in it. I do cooperate and I try to have a decent conversation here. The way you threat me is biased.



In some circumstances people will give a shout out, "Get a room!" In this case the shout out should be, "Get a blog!" I mean that, Dutch - get a blog. It is yours, there's no implied relationship of discussing anything and people can still read your thoughts if they choose to do so.

[Dutch]

I think is simply down to Dutch's inability to articulate his ideas: he should simply have said "I want to know the equivalent in days of a specific segment of 1 orbit" and written degrees/360 * 365.

everything in HDDesign is logged realitime and not rewritten afterwards.

Its plain clear what I was determining with this specific calculation.

no doubt about that

If you really had thought about the subject yourself, you would have found out that Darby was wrong

[Dutch]

That has been answered in this thread on page one, five years ago. It is your responsibility to not read the answers.

Are you saying that it is explained on page one how this specific calculation is wrong?

[Dutch]

How old do you think Mount St. Helens is? And how fast do you think the North American plate is moving?

If we take reasonably generous figures of 5cm/y for 40000 years the movement is 2km.


Old enough to have 'moved' due to continental drift

[Dutch]

Could you be more specific, otherwise we could be here all day.

we are talking about this specific calculation expressed in Earth days, of which Darby claims is incorrect.

So explain why this calculation is wrong ( and as a result, why Darby's calculation is right )

[Paul]

Old enough to have 'moved' due to continental driftYes, but how far? I'll tell you how far, as reading the answer seems to be a problem for you, approximately 2 kilometres.

[Paul]

everything in HDDesign is logged realitime and not rewritten afterwards.So the answer is "I'm just incompetent, but never wrong"?


Its plain clear what I was determining with this specific calculation.Not the way you wrote it.


no doubt about thatYes doubt about that.


If you really had thought about the subject yourself, you would have found out that Darby was wrongIf you'd actually read my reply you would have understood my answer.

[Paul]

we are talking about this specific calculation expressed in Earth days, of which Darby claims is incorrect.I believe Darby was confused by the incompetent way you presented what should have been a simple calculation.


So explain why this calculation is wrong ( and as a result, why Darby's calculation is right )Again, if you'd read my reply you would have noticed my conclusion.

[Daylightstar]

I will ask you specifically to show the calculations for transforming a hyper dimensional platonic solid into geometrically determined orbital positions of an orbiting planet.Which has already been answered in this thread, with a link.
You just keep repeating this same lie, over and over and over again.
You have not provided those calculations, ever.

Your response is just another installment of the 'it's over there" trick, where no such 'it' exists.

[Daylightstar]

Dutch, I would put to you that HDDelusion makes you (all identified negativity coming from you) a repulsively antagonistic individual.

It clearly shows in your conduct towards other people.
A little self-examination would suit you.

It still shows, clearly.

[Daylightstar]

I am not a liar, period.

Oh yes, you are. You have clearly demonstrated this a multitude of times and you keep on demonstrating this.
Your lies are so thick, they stink.

Period.

[Daylightstar]

Another one:

Please 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens for us.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6648023&postcount=3815


Previous asking for calculations can be found here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6672143&postcount=3950
Which has also been answered in this thread. I have explained that due to the continental drift, a volcano as a fixed spot on the solid outer crust will 'move' away from its original location. In the case of Mount St. helens it means to the East and to the North. If you reverse this continental drift, mount St helens would 'move' towards the location of current Yellowstone, marking the HD Cube around 45 degrees North latitude.

No, it has not been answered. You have shown no calculations on the 'HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens'. None.

Just another lie from you, among the many many other lies.

[Daylightstar]

Which has already been answered in this thread, with a link.
Which has also been answered in this thread. ...

Not only have you never provided these calculations, there's no hope you ever will.
Because you can't.

You're lying your way through your delusion.

[Daylightstar]

... I have mentioned several times here that I will ignore repeated questions that are already dealt with in this thread . You know that.

...
The way you 'deal with' questions is not providing a proper answer and then ignore followup questions.
In that specific case, you never showed calculations for which was asked, on your insistence.

...
Calling me one monumental barbaric liar is as low as it can get.
Not really, but that's irrelevant.
I'd be more concerned whether identifying you as one monumental barbaric liar is accurate or not.
It appears quite accurate.

[DarbyII]

Dutch,


I'm pretty much done quibbling over what is and what is not valid math. I've made my point and it has been accepted.

Other than that, all of calculations are simply numerology. I happen to be a Christian and come from Western European "stock". No problem and certainly not a religious statement. It goes to what I consider the calendar, the names of the days and months and the numbers assigned to them. I accept, for example, that November 11th, 2001 is 9-11 (2001).

That is a date that you've made hay over for quite some time. But here's the problem. THere's nothing at all fundamental, as far as the universe goes, with the Gregorian calendar. November 11, 2001 might be, well...November 11, 2001...to Western astrogloers and numerologists but it was not "9-11" for instance in Israel. It was 12-23 there. In China it was 7-24.

The Earth, let alone the universe, does not twirl around a calendar invented by a Catholic priest. The Golden Mean Phi is not a fundamental number. It is valid as an approximation only in plane geometry where the plane is flat. Lay out a triangle on the plane of the Earth such that the scope of the construct covers a few kilometers and you will suddenly discover that the sum of the interior angles is somewhat more than 180 degrees.

If you think I'm wrong give it a whirl. Try this one:

Start at the North Pole (and for the sake of the argument we will assume - incorrectly but its not important - that the circumference of both the polar and equatorial Earth distances is 24,000 miles...a "perfect circle"). Lay a straight line running due south to the eqator - 6,000 miles. At the equator turn left and lay out another line 6,000 miles. You now have a right angle 6,000 miles on a side. It looks like we're sarting to construct an isosceles right triangle. So, next turn left 45 degrees and start back in a northerly direction. Go that way for, oh, 8485.25 miles (sqrt (a^2+b^2) = hypotenuse). You should be right back to where you started, right? Plane geometry says that's the case. But that's not where you will end up. You will miss the North Pole by a a few thousand miles.

The lesson? You can't lay out large geometric figures and simply assume that the geometry will fit what we're given in basic middle school geometry. We certainly can't lay out such constructs where the sides are millions of miles in length and make statements like, "And that's EXACTLY xxx days (weeks, years, degrees)!!!!!!" such as you do. The real world does not work that way.

And lest we not forget, I've seen you post astronomical data where you've taken two numbers that are calculated to two decimel points, multiply them together and, again, make a statement, "And that's EXACTLY xxx.xxx!!!"

Hogwash. The original numbers are given to two decimal accuracy. They've been rounded up or down - and there's no problem doing that. But this is not pure math. It is astronomy. Multiply those two numbers together and you'll have a result calculated out to, as you would state, three decimal places. You can't do that - and you especially can't honestly make statements as I gave above. If you multiply two numbers together that have been rounded to two decimal points your result is only accurate to one decimal point, not three. When you multiplied the numbers together you also multipilied the rounding factor by the same amount. I've seen you do that when making a calculation over the course of 2222 days. If you haev a number rounded down to three decimel places the final answer is off by a factor of 2+.

Sorry to rag on and on about the math but you introduced it and have made the "EXACTLY...!!!!!!" statements for a decade. It isn't "exactly" - it is an approximation.

[Blue Mountain]

(snip)

Other than that, all of calculations are simply numerology. I happen to be a Christian and come from Western European "stock". No problem and certainly not a religious statement. It goes to what I consider the calendar, the names of the days and months and the numbers assigned to them. I accept, for example, that November 11th, 2001 is 9-11 (2001).

That is a date that you've made hay over for quite some time. But here's the problem. THere's nothing at all fundamental, as far as the universe goes, with the Gregorian calendar. November 11, 2001 might be, well...November 11, 2001...to Western astrogloers and numerologists but it was not "9-11" for instance in Israel. It was 12-23 there. In China it was 7-24....!!!!!!"

(snip)
Errr ... I think you mean September 11, 2011.


Dutch also doesn't understand the idea that expressing things in "Earth days" while at the same time attempting to apply a bit of plane geometry is meaningless due to the differing orbital speeds of the planets.

[DarbyII]

Errr ... I think you mean September 11, 2011.


Dutch also doesn't understand the idea that expressing things in "Earth days" while at the same time attempting to apply a bit of plane geometry is meaningless due to the differing orbital speeds of the planets.

DOH! September 11th. Thanks for reading my post for content and accuracy. :)

[Wolrab]

Are you saying that it is explained on page one how this specific calculation is wrong?
Yup. Demolished in post # 33

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2373894&postcount=33
originally posted by Molinaro
But since the earth's orbit is an ellipse and not a circle doesn't that make everything that follows a bunch of bull? Or do you deny that the earth's orbit is an ellipse?

[DarbyII]

Dutch,

I mean the following in all sincerity:

You have your beliefs. No one, no matter what they say, will ever change that. That being said, you’ve posted items over the past decade with the intent of changing other people’s opinions about reality. You’ve used calculations, correct or not, to make predictions about future events and from your POV they all seem to come to pass.

The issue might be expressed in your thoughts on Syria. At some point you might say (and have said) – on such-and-such date I predict that something will come up of importance concerning Syria. Sure enough, when that date comes up you find something in the Internet news that you consider significant concerning Syria. You decide that because something that you consider important about Syria comes up on that date that it is proof of your methodology.

What you haven’t done either for us or for yourself, is this:

Take three dice. One die is three sided with the sides numbered 2012, 2013 and 2014. Take a 12-sided die with numbers 1, 2, 3…12. Last take a 31-sided die numbered 1, 2, 3…31. Cast the three die and you come up with a date between 1-1-2012 and 12-31-2014. Then make a prediction that something significant will occur in Syria on that date. When that date comes to pass do a Google for news from Syria. It’s a 100% guarantee that you will find something “significant.” What does it mean? Randomness. Depending on the specific type of data if you run a Z-test, T-test, Chi Square test or any other statistical test you will find that the results are no more significant that randomness.

I’ve actually read your posts. Fancy that.

If we cut away the chaff and cut to the heart of your “method” all that it does is come up with an approximate date “plus or minus 1 day”. That’s all it is – a somewhat complex three-die tossing machine that outputs a date. As you’ve admitted, what is to occur on that date is something that you “feel”, intuition, whatever. Methodologically it has no connection with tetrahydra, squares, lines or LGM’s. It’s just Dutch's opinion. Dutch might be correct, might be deluded or even might be delusional. But whatever it is, as referred to a few days ago, it is likely an ad hoc, propter hoc fallacy because nothing has ever been proferred that proves a nexus between HDD and “Dutch’s feelings”.

[Dutch]

Yes, but how far? I'll tell you how far, as reading the answer seems to be a problem for you, approximately 2 kilometres.

The whole initial idea about Mount St. Helens had to do with the 'reversal' of continental drift that would implicate that Yellowstones 'source' would in fact be located at the main HD Cube interference area around 45 degrees North Latitude.

I presumed that the movement of the solid outher crust, and thus an existing volcano, would be to the North and to the West, as far as it concerned with the North American plate. This appears to be incorrect as the North American plate moves to west and to the south:


Yellowstone lies over a hotspot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotspot_(geology)) where light, hot, molten mantle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)) rock rises towards the surface. While the Yellowstone hotspot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_hotspot) is now under the Yellowstone Plateau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Plateau), it previously helped create the eastern Snake River Plain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_River_Plain) (to the west of Yellowstone) through a series of huge volcanic eruptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_eruption). Although the hotspot's apparent motion is to the east-northeast, the North American Plate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Plate) is really moving west-southwest over the stationary hotspot in the Earth's mantle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera

Its clear that Mount St Helens is NOT an this 'hotspot' path, but there are even much better candidates:


The volcanic feature commonly called the Island Park Caldera in the states of Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho) and Wyoming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming), U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.), is actually two calderas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera), one nested inside the other.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Park_Caldera#cite_note-0) The Island Park Caldera is the older and much larger caldera, with approximate dimensions of 58 miles (93 km) by 40 miles (64 km). Its ashfall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfall) is the source of the Huckleberry Ridge Tuff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckleberry_Ridge_Tuff) that is found from southern California to the Mississippi River near St. Louis. This supereruption (2500 cubic kilometers) occurred 2.1 Ma (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ma) and produced 2,500 times as much ash as the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Mount_St._Helens_eruption).
The caldera clearly visible today is the later Henry's Fork Caldera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry%27s_Fork_Caldera) that is the source of the Mesa Falls Tuff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_Falls_Tuff). It was formed in an eruption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruption) of more than 280 cubic kilometers 1.3 million years ago. The two nested calderas share the same rim on their western sides, but the older Island Park Caldera is much larger and more oval and extends well into Yellowstone Park.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Park_Caldera#cite_note-1) The Island Park Caldera is sometimes referred to as the First Phase Yellowstone Caldera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera) or the Huckleberry Ridge Caldera.
To the southwest of the caldera lies the Snake River Plain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_River_Plain), which was formed by a succession of older calderas marking the path of the Yellowstone hotspot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_hotspot).


Yellowstone is at aprox 44.57 N, 110.5 W while the Island Park Caldera is located at 44.33N, 111.33 W.

If you reverse the continental drift it becomes clear that both spots ( Island Park & Yellowstone ) have the same source of stationay hotspot located at the HD Cube latitude 45 degrees North.

This implicates, that after Yellostone has blown in the future, a new volcanic area will start to create around 45 degrees North and and unknown degrees West ( probably aprox around 109 W) at that time.

While I was wrong to use mount St.Helens as a marker, Island Park shows that the theory as such is valid and even much better as it comes to 'pinpointing' at the 45 degrees HD Cube latitude.

[Dutch]

I believe Darby was confused by the incompetent way you presented what should have been a simple calculation.


If you had thought about Darby's explanation, you would have found out that he was incorrect. Like I did. The problem is that you simply accept Darby's mistake as a valid reason to debunk the material. It only shows again that you don't really try to understand the matter.

[Dutch]

You just keep repeating this same lie, over and over and over again.
You have not provided those calculations, ever.

Your response is just another installment of the 'it's over there" trick, where no such 'it' exists.

Yes it has been discussed here, several times even.

[Dutch]

Oh yes, you are. You have clearly demonstrated this a multitude of times and you keep on demonstrating this.
Your lies are so thick, they stink.

Period.

facts please

[Dutch]

No, it has not been answered. You have shown no calculations on the 'HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens'. None.

Just another lie from you, among the many many other lies.

Yes my friend, the reversed continental drift has been discussed here

[Dutch]

Not only have you never provided these calculations, there's no hope you ever will.
Because you can't.

You're lying your way through your delusion.

YES, they are freely avaiable in the HDDesign material and it has been discussed here with references to the material.

Do you really expect me to walk through this thread again? I have done that before after being called a liar, cost me alot of time, provided the link to the specific posts here and hear nothing from it. And still you think you can call me a liar.

[Dutch]

I'm pretty much done quibbling over what is and what is not valid math. I've made my point and it has been accepted.



I'm not done

It could be that some here accepted your math, but I don't think it's commonly accepted that planet Earth has a Year of 355 days as your calculations suggest. So..

Is it so hard to admit that the calculations I have provided are valid? I can understand that you've misunderstood me, but we talking about the validity of the calculations. I don't need your apologize, just admit the calculations are valid. Shouldn't be that hard

[Dutch]

the rest of Darby's posts will have to wait...busy at work

[Paul]

The whole initial idea about Mount St. Helens had to do with the 'reversal' of continental drift that would implicate that Yellowstones 'source' would in fact be located at the main HD Cube interference area around 45 degrees North Latitude.So you had a totally unsupported idea about something which you proceeded to incorporate into HDD without doing even the most basic of research.


I presumed that the movement of the solid outher crust, and thus an existing volcanoThat's why we keep telling you to actually check things properly.


This appears to be incorrect as the North American plate moves to west and to the south:Making everything you have written on the subject wrong.


Its clear that Mount St Helens is NOT an this 'hotspot' path, but there are even much better candidates:Riiight, the really genuinely real thing with mount St Helens was total nonsense, but if you guess some more and massage the data 'til it bleeds you might be able to squeeze another geographical feature into the frame.


If you reverse the continental drift it becomes clear that both spots ( Island Park & Yellowstone ) have the same source of stationay hotspot located at the HD Cube latitude 45 degrees North.I find it hard to believe that even you are trying to claim that they both occupied the same physical space.


This implicates, that after Yellostone has blown in the future, a new volcanic area will start to create around 45 degrees North and and unknown degrees West ( probably aprox around 109 W) at that time.It does no such thing, it doesn't even imply it.


While I was wrong to use mount St.Helens as a marker, Island Park shows that the theory as such is valid and even much better as it comes to 'pinpointing' at the 45 degrees HD Cube latitude.Sad and pathetic attempt to salvage a garbage idea by inventing a 'new and better' idea that just happens to use all the same crap as the previous one.

[Paul]

If you had thought about Darby's explanation, you would have found out that he was incorrect. Like I did. The problem is that you simply accept Darby's mistake as a valid reason to debunk the material. It only shows again that you don't really try to understand the matter.Did you notice the part where I advised you to read my answers properly?

[Daylightstar]

Yes it has been discussed here, several times even.

Yes my friend, the reversed continental drift has been discussed here

YES, they are freely avaiable in the HDDesign material and it has been discussed here with references to the material.
...

It doesn't matter how much you claim to have discussed anything, what matters is that you never provided the specific calculations I asked for on your insistence.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973

[Daylightstar]

...
Do you really expect me to walk through this thread again? I have done that before after being called a liar, cost me alot of time, provided the link to the specific posts here and hear nothing from it. And still you think you can call me a liar.


The 'it's over there" trick, where no such 'it' exists. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8095306&postcount=5016) Again.


facts please

You've been provided facts. You ignore the facts provided, even as they are presented to you right after you commit a lie.
Ignore at your own peril.

[Daylightstar]

...
If you reverse the continental drift...

Fantasy is a strange and sometimes wonderful thing.

[Daylightstar]

YES, they are freely avaiable in the HDDesign material and it has been discussed here with references to the material.

Do you really expect me to walk through this thread again? I have done that before after being called a liar, cost me alot of time, provided the link to the specific posts here and hear nothing from it. And still you think you can call me a liar.

Yes, I can call you a liar.

Here's an other:
facts please

You did not provide references or a link to the calculations I asked for on your insistence (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973).
Here are all the replies you gave with respect to asking for those calculations (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973):

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6706758&postcount=3986
yes, haven't you read the posts about Mount st.Helens and Yellowstone?

I have explained that if you reverse the continental drift on a rotating closed sphere over an extended period of time, that mount St'Helens would be located to the East and to the South of its current position, at one point corresponding with the area of Yellowstone ( currently)

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6766872&postcount=4042
I told you I'm not going to reply on issues that have already been addressed here. When I notice that you have actually dealt with the given answers, than you can expect further explanations on specific reuests.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6766962&postcount=4046
are you saying that we haven't discussed the Hd platonic solids before here?

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6767076&postcount=4050
youy want me to provide you with the specific posts?

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6767127&postcount=4052
Yes, the posts in which it has been explained. Do you want me to provide it to you?

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6767176&postcount=4054
Its there already, want it?


This rule 4 breach (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6762466&postcount=4031) and this rule 4 breach (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6762477&postcount=4032) were removed. However, there were no calculations as asked (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973) nor were there references to such calculations in those removed breaches of rule 4.

None of the above quoted posts by you contain calculations which were asked for (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973) nor references to such calculations. Just infantile dishonesty.

Yes Dutch, you are a liar.

[Daylightstar]

10th February 2012 - 1 month check up.
...
I will be less polite during the months ahead.

Confrontating at most times
Strike through by Daylightstar

Less polite, yes, definitely.

[Dutch]

Darby:

Other than that, all of calculations are simply numerology. I happen to be a Christian and come from Western European "stock". No problem and certainly not a religious statement. It goes to what I consider the calendar, the names of the days and months and the numbers assigned to them. I accept, for example, that November 11th, 2001 is 9-11 (2001).

That is a date that you've made hay over for quite some time. But here's the problem. THere's nothing at all fundamental, as far as the universe goes, with the Gregorian calendar. November 11, 2001 might be, well...November 11, 2001...to Western astrogloers and numerologists but it was not "9-11" for instance in Israel. It was 12-23 there. In China it was 7-24.


It doesn't matter which calendar you use. The system is applicable on each calendar, you can determine 2 dots of a HD Tetrahedron based on a chinese calendar aswell. The point is, that 9/11 happened in the US and based on the perception of time as used in the US, the initial thought was to determine the dots of 2 HD Tetrahedrons with opposite direction, one based at the start of the year, the other at half a year. This way September 11 is determined as one of these dots ( consistent with 19.47 degrees in geometry). 9/11 was an eyeopener event and it appeared that 911 days from 9/11 another dot of this HD Tetrahedron is determined: around March 11, 2004 ( leap year ), the date of the Madrid bombings.
These 2 events unveiled the HD Tetrahedron for the first time and I've called this determination the HD Tetrahedron at macrolevel. In fact you can create such Tetrahedrons based on every start date, based on every calendar. As you might know, 9/11 and the Madrid bombings were 912 days apart but still within the +/- 1 day timeframes around the determined peak dates. We know now that the 'peak' dates should in fact be 913 days apart ( exactly 2,5 years ), but 9/11 and the Madrid Bombings are with the +/- 1 day timeframes around the determined peak dates.

I have used the timeframe between 9/11 and the Madrid bombings as a starting point of a Golden Mean based timecoded pattern going 'inwards' in our perception of time, resulting in keydates (+/- 1 day) with each turn in the spiral. It doesn't really change much if this spiral is used on 912 or 913 days, but now I know the best starting position should be 913, the exact number of days between 2 'peak'dates of a HD Tetrahedron.

As I have already admitted here, it does make a difference when you try to monitor an ongoing pattern based on these HD Tetrahedron spot, over time it does make a significant difference if you take steps of 911 or 913 days. The latter would be correct and because I have used 911 days in the past I noticed that the patterns seemed off with a few days, because expected 'underlying themes' appeared to materialize late. I have abandoned these ongoin 911 based patterns and they aren't mentioned on the timelines, except 1 stpe of 911 days when the difference doesn't matter much.

The killings of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were 911 days apart for instance. The spiral inward gave indeed significant hits as monitored in a specific thread in the HDDesign material, an 911 based ongoing pattern did not, as is to be expected now because steps of 913 days had to be used. So 913 is the timeframe between 2 peak dates of a HD Tetrahedron, 911 days is the 'soonest, or shortest' timeframe to find expression of related underlying themes ( due to the +/- 1 day timeframe around determined dates)

The Earth, let alone the universe, does not twirl around a calendar invented by a Catholic priest. The Golden Mean Phi is not a fundamental number. It is valid as an approximation only in plane geometry where the plane is flat. Lay out a triangle on the plane of the Earth such that the scope of the construct covers a few kilometers and you will suddenly discover that the sum of the interior angles is somewhat more than 180 degrees.


I differ with you that the Golden Mean is not a fundamental number, its omnipresent in nature and in space. Time is the 'key' between our 3D reality and other dimensional realms. HDDesign uses the Golden Mean on our perception of time, based on the number of rotations of Earth in an orbit around the sun ( days that means ). It's irrelevant how Earth's orbit looks like, its shape and the like. The only thing that matters is the duration as expressed in Earth days, that's where the intelligent correlations show up by synchronicities etc.

[Dutch]

Darby:

Start at the North Pole (and for the sake of the argument we will assume - incorrectly but its not important - that the circumference of both the polar and equatorial Earth distances is 24,000 miles...a "perfect circle"). Lay a straight line running due south to the eqator - 6,000 miles. At the equator turn left and lay out another line 6,000 miles. You now have a right angle 6,000 miles on a side. It looks like we're sarting to construct an isosceles right triangle. So, next turn left 45 degrees and start back in a northerly direction. Go that way for, oh, 8485.25 miles (sqrt (a^2+b^2) = hypotenuse). You should be right back to where you started, right? Plane geometry says that's the case. But that's not where you will end up. You will miss the North Pole by a a few thousand miles.




I can't see what this has to do with our perception of time, it's totally irrelevant in relation to this HDDesign 'research'.

[Dutch]

The lesson? You can't lay out large geometric figures and simply assume that the geometry will fit what we're given in basic middle school geometry. We certainly can't lay out such constructs where the sides are millions of miles in length and make statements like, "And that's EXACTLY xxx days (weeks, years, degrees)!!!!!!" such as you do. The real world does not work that way.


I agree Darby, but this has nothing to do with our perception of time. The geometrical correlations only exist between specific rotations of a planet.

Your are looking at shapes, while there is no shape in HDdesign when it comes to our perception of time. I truly think you need to change the way you look at it. The geometry is consistent, based on our perception of time.

[Dutch]

And lest we not forget, I've seen you post astronomical data where you've taken two numbers that are calculated to two decimel points, multiply them together and, again, make a statement, "And that's EXACTLY xxx.xxx!!!"


I'm not sure where you are referring at, but when it comes to determining a timeframe ( +/- 1 day ) it could.

[Dutch]

Hogwash. The original numbers are given to two decimal accuracy. They've been rounded up or down - and there's no problem doing that. But this is not pure math. It is astronomy. Multiply those two numbers together and you'll have a result calculated out to, as you would state, three decimal places. You can't do that - and you especially can't honestly make statements as I gave above. If you multiply two numbers together that have been rounded to two decimal points your result is only accurate to one decimal point, not three. When you multiplied the numbers together you also multipilied the rounding factor by the same amount. I've seen you do that when making a calculation over the course of 2222 days. If you haev a number rounded down to three decimel places the final answer is off by a factor of 2+.

Sorry to rag on and on about the math but you introduced it and have made the "EXACTLY...!!!!!!" statements for a decade. It isn't "exactly" - it is an approximation.

As far as it is connected to the determination of timeframes it isn't. I am not talking about geometrically determined locations in 3D, I am talking about our perception of time. I use a +/- 1 day rounding which is perfectly normal as we have different timezones on Earth. I have repeatedly said that this +/- 1 day limitation is in fact way too rigid and that we have to look at a window around a peak date. I, for one, have noticed that such a window around a predetermined peak date, opens up at least 3 days before and closest not sooner than 3 days after. This timeframe is where the related synchronicities occur, or where expected underlying themes find theis expressions.

[Dutch]

Dutch also doesn't understand the idea that expressing things in "Earth days" while at the same time attempting to apply a bit of plane geometry is meaningless due to the differing orbital speeds of the planets.

Again, shape or speed are irrelevant, I only use orbital periods.

HDDesign linked to our perception of time ( rotation of planets that is )

[Dutch]

But since the earth's orbit is an ellipse and not a circle doesn't that make everything that follows a bunch of bull? Or do you deny that the earth's orbit is an ellipse?

I don't care less about shapes, I only talk about our perception of time.

Even if Earth would have an squared orbit ( which is ridiculous of course), the geometry still fits as long as it is based on our perception of time: orbital periods.

[Dutch]

Yup. Demolished in post # 33

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2373894&postcount=33
originally posted by Molinaro

My last post was a reply to this. Nope. not demolised at all.

[Dutch]

Dutch,

I mean the following in all sincerity:

You have your beliefs. No one, no matter what they say, will ever change that. That being said, you’ve posted items over the past decade with the intent of changing other people’s opinions about reality. You’ve used calculations, correct or not, to make predictions about future events and from your POV they all seem to come to pass.

The issue might be expressed in your thoughts on Syria. At some point you might say (and have said) – on such-and-such date I predict that something will come up of importance concerning Syria. Sure enough, when that date comes up you find something in the Internet news that you consider significant concerning Syria. You decide that because something that you consider important about Syria comes up on that date that it is proof of your methodology.




Well Darby, as you might know I have a huge focus on the Hariri assassination, which has happened on a HD Cube date. I have said numerous times that this assassination was the initial trigger in an evolving 'Syria first' war scenario. I have been saying this for years now.
The assassination of Rafik Hariri was the initial effort to get rid of the Assad clan. I have been monitoring this situation for years now and you bet I will post about it

[Dutch]

What you haven’t done either for us or for yourself, is this:

Take three dice. One die is three sided with the sides numbered 2012, 2013 and 2014. Take a 12-sided die with numbers 1, 2, 3…12. Last take a 31-sided die numbered 1, 2, 3…31. Cast the three die and you come up with a date between 1-1-2012 and 12-31-2014. Then make a prediction that something significant will occur in Syria on that date. When that date comes to pass do a Google for news from Syria. It’s a 100% guarantee that you will find something “significant.” What does it mean? Randomness. Depending on the specific type of data if you run a Z-test, T-test, Chi Square test or any other statistical test you will find that the results are no more significant that randomness.


The difference is, that HDdesign seems to be able to detect the hidden underlying patterns, based on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities.

If something appears random to you and all of us, than this doesn mean that there is no hidden Intelligent underlying Design. Normally we just don't understand these patterns, nor are we able to detect them.

While working with HDDesign, suddenly these intuitive ideas and synchronicities occur, enabling us to detect the underlying patterns.

[Blue Mountain]

Again, shape or speed are irrelevant, I only use orbital periods. Which basically reduces HDD to simple numerology.

HDDesign linked to our perception of time ( rotation of planets that is ) More to the point, HDD is linked to your perception of reality, but to no-one else's.

[Dutch]

Darby:

QUOTE]I’ve actually read your posts. Fancy that.
[/QUOTE]

You aren't giving the impression that you've actually done so. It appears to me that you don't understand what I am talking about. That's oke.
It's rather strange that after all these years, you haven't got a single clue what this HDdesign is really about. I think you haven't read previous discussions or you haven't really thought about the matter.

If we cut away the chaff and cut to the heart of your “method” all that it does is come up with an approximate date “plus or minus 1 day”. That’s all it is – a somewhat complex three-die tossing machine that outputs a date. As you’ve admitted, what is to occur on that date is something that you “feel”, intuition, whatever. Methodologically it has no connection with tetrahydra, squares, lines or LGM’s. It’s just Dutch's opinion. Dutch might be correct, might be deluded or even might be delusional. But whatever it is, as referred to a few days ago, it is likely an ad hoc, propter hoc fallacy because nothing has ever been proferred that proves a nexus between HDD and “Dutch’s feelings”.

I wouldn't have shared this material if there weren't any 'coincidences' or synchronicities spinning off while dealing with this stuff. You completely disregard that fact

[Dutch]

So you had a totally unsupported idea about something which you proceeded to incorporate into HDD without doing even the most basic of research.

YES! logged realtime! I log everything realtime without research, that's the power of HDDesign. The initial thought to reverse the continental drift is valid, I only was mistaken to take mount st helens as the marker



That's why we keep telling you to actually check things properly.


If you had done so, you would have come up with the same correction


Making everything you have written on the subject wrong.


To the contrarairy

Riiight, the really genuinely real thing with mount St Helens was total nonsense, but if you guess some more and massage the data 'til it bleeds you might be able to squeeze another geographical feature into the frame.

Nope, as i have explained in a previous post above, both Yellowstone and 'the First Fase of Yellowstone' finds their same source of a stationairy plume around 45 degrees North.



I find it hard to believe that even you are trying to claim that they both occupied the same physical space.


Due to continental drift of the North American plate, they both drifted over the same stationairy plume yes. That's fact, not a claim




Sad and pathetic attempt to salvage a garbage idea by inventing a 'new and better' idea that just happens to use all the same crap as the previous one.


Are you saying that the plume Yellowstone is feeding isn't stationairy?

Your remarks are totally off here.

[Dutch]

Did you notice the part where I advised you to read my answers properly?

In which you explain darby is right?

[Dutch]

It doesn't matter how much you claim to have discussed anything, what matters is that you never provided the specific calculations I asked for on your insistence.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973

Yes I did, I think you are pushing me to walk through this thread again just like previous occasions. When I do so and post the link, you will back off and repeat it again later.

[Dutch]

Fantasy is a strange and sometimes wonderful thing.

Island Park and Yellowstone have the same stationary plume source, that's science. That's science, not fantasy

[Dutch]

Yes, I can call you a liar.

Here's an other:


You did not provide references or a link to the calculations I asked for on your insistence (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973).
Here are all the replies you gave with respect to asking for those calculations (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973):

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6706758&postcount=3986


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6766872&postcount=4042


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6766962&postcount=4046


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6767076&postcount=4050


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6767127&postcount=4052


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6767176&postcount=4054



This rule 4 breach (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6762466&postcount=4031) and this rule 4 breach (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6762477&postcount=4032) were removed. However, there were no calculations as asked (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973) nor were there references to such calculations in those removed breaches of rule 4.

None of the above quoted posts by you contain calculations which were asked for (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973) nor references to such calculations. Just infantile dishonesty.

Yes Dutch, you are a liar.

The Hyper Dimensional dates based on Platonic Solid Geometry originate from other dimensional realms and therefor it's only by Geometry that their existence could be unveiled, as they are invisible in our 3 dimensional reality.

As Hyper Dimensional Physics has everything to do with rotation, our solar system with all it's rotating elements, could be considered the 3 dimensional counterpart of a Hyper Dimensional system, at least that's what my research is trying to get confirmed.

The Hyperdimensional initiated activities in our solarsystem become visible by 3 dimensional activities on the determined interference points based on Platonic Solid geometry

The Tetrahedron is a Platonic Solid that unveils it's existence at the well known location of 19.47 degrees North and South latitude when placed within a closed sphere, such as the Sun or a planet.

With our perception of time, it is different. When a Hyper Dimensional Platic Solid is placed upon Earth's orbit around the Sun, they aren't directly visible because they originate from another dimension. If you want to visualize it , than the solids would look in our dimensions as flat and rolled-over (placed upon Earth's orbit around the Sun )
Their existences can only unveiled by Geometry and the interference points on Earth's orbit correspond with our system of dates.
Because of the fact that there are more days in a year than degrees in a circle, time differences on Earth and unknown exact 3D length of the Hyper Dimensional interference points, we should always extend the timeframe with a correction of +/- 1 day for each determined date.
Hyper Dimensional dates:
Our Earth makes a turn around the sun of 360 degrees. When a hyper -tetrahedron is placed upon that circle our Earth is making, than the Tetrahedron intersection points can be determined. The interference points are placed 19.47 degrees above and below the line 90-270 degrees on the circle. So 90 degrees + and - 19.47 degrees and 270 degrees + and - 19.47 degrees
or from the start of the year in our perspective: 90 degrees minus 19.47 = 70.53 times 365/360 = 71.5 days
In other words, our earth crosses the HD Tetrahedron ( originating from another dimension!) interference point in the eather 70.53 days after the start of the year.
This way the dates March 11-12 , April 21 , September 11 and October 21 are determined:
(90 - 19.47) times 365/360 = day 71.5 or March 12 +/- 1 day
(90 + 19.47) times 365/360 = day 111 or April 21 +/- 1 day
(270 - 19.47) times 365/360 = day 254 or September 11 +/- 1 day
(270 + 19.47) times 365/360 = day 293 or October 20 +/- 1 day
The other Platonic solids also give interference points or dates in our perspective, like the Cube dates for sinstance:
45 times 365/360 = day 45 or February 14 +/- 1 day
135 times 365/360 = day 137 or May 17 +/- 1 day
225 times 365/360 = day 228 or August 16 +/- 1 day
315 times 365/360 = day 319 or November 15 +/- 1 day
Hyperdimensional Octahedron dates ( at equator):
April 1-2
October 1
The Hyper Dimensional Octahedron and Tetrahedron Pole dates are on the start/end of a year and July 2
Be aware of the fact that leap years will have a slightly different outcome
When we talk about our perception of time and Hyper Dimensional Design we are not looking at a 3D closed sphere (such as a planet ). Earth travels through a point in (Hyper)space and the Tetrahedron or Cube etc reveils it's existence by Geometry.

You call me a liar Day? its on the first page already!!!!

I'm not going through the rest of the thread but it has been discussed several times.

You need to apologize

[Dutch]

10th February 2012 - 1 month check up.

Strike through by Daylightstar

Less polite, yes, definitely.

I don't think I am less polite yet, reason enough to do so though

[Paul]

In which you explain darby is right?I've given you plenty of chances, I can only assume that either you are an actual idiot, or that you are completely incapable of comprehending my posts.

[Dutch]

be specific Paul. You aren't helping to maintain a decent conversation

[Paul]

YES! logged realtime! I log everything realtime without research, that's the power of HDDesign.On the contrary, that's the complete failure of HDD; you just say stuff and never check if it is nonsense before incorporating it.


The initial thought to reverse the continental drift is valid, I only was mistaken to take mount st helens as the markerThat's quite a big mistake, considering your solution is to say that a massive National Park a small town once passed over the same general area as each other and are both hundreds of miles from mount St. Helens.


If you had done so, you would have come up with the same correctionIt's not a correction, it's an entirely new guess with even less validity than the original one.


To the contrarairyNope, anything incorporating the self admitted nonsense of mount St. Helens is wrong.


Nope, as i have explained in a previous post above, both Yellowstone and 'the First Fase of Yellowstone' finds their same source of a stationairy plume around 45 degrees North.I don't know what that means due to the arrangement of words not making any sense, but you do realise how big Yellowstone National Park is, don't you?


Due to continental drift of the North American plate, they both drifted over the same stationairy plume yes. That's fact, not a claimSo? Are you going to claim that large areas of Oregon, Nevada and Idaho are special too? Do your timelines go back 16 million years?


Are you saying that the plume Yellowstone is feeding isn't stationairy?Did I say the Yellowstone hotspot wasn't stationary?

What do you mean by feeding?

[Daylightstar]

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8103709&postcount=5040

You call me a liar Day? its on the first page already!!!!

I'm not going through the rest of the thread but it has been discussed several times.

You need to apologize

I have to do no such thing.

My relevant question:
Another one:

Please 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens for us.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6648023&postcount=3815
...
So if we recalculate the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens, we have to reverse the continental drift so to speek
...
...
In your post (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8106459&postcount=5058) quoted above, where you quoted yourself (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2373349&postcount=23), nothing that even remotely resembles 'recalculating the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens' through 'reversing the continental drift' can be found.

As far as the first question from the list (http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif) ( or list (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973)) is concerned
I will ask you specifically to show the calculations for transforming a hyper dimensional platonic solid into geometrically determined orbital positions of an orbiting planet.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5982570&postcount=2849 30th May 2010
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5988629&postcount=2851

No calculations were ever provided by you.

Mind you:
not at all. ask specifically and I will calculate it .

come on, ask it.

So, both requests for calculations (on your insistence) have not been honored by you.
No calculations, no references or links to those calculations.
Evidently, the term liar describes you very well.

Go back to your 'cage' ..... and use your time there to do some 'research'.

[Daylightstar]

... “Dutch’s feelings”.
... suddenly these intuitive ideas ...

I wouldn't have shared this material if there weren't any 'coincidences' or synchronicities spinning off while dealing with this stuff. You completely disregard that fact
'Feelings' and 'intuition', that's what it's all about:
... indeed it is a psychic exercise.
...
Your judgement with respect to sharing your 'feelings' and 'intuition' or not, is not trustworthy, it's evidently worthless.

[Daylightstar]

I don't think I am less polite yet, reason enough to do so though

Sounds pretty barbaric.

[The Man]

Darby:


I can't see what this has to do with our perception of time, it's totally irrelevant in relation to this HDDesign 'research'.

Exactly Dutch, once again demonstrating and expressly affirming that your Dimensional Design Hype is entirely one dimensional (just time) and singularly based just on your “perception of time”.

[The Man]

I don't think I am less polite yet, reason enough to do so though

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please Dutch, I beseech of thee not to go there!!!! Do you understand the HDD ramifications of your ‘less politeness’?!?! In ain’t just a freak’n tetrahedron its a dodecahedron, from another dimension (those are the worst), of pain.!!! The suffering would be reprehensible, please think of the children!!!

Other than that, best of luck with your new and forth coming “less polite” approach. It could hardly do worse than your current and previous ‘less informed’ approach.

[jsfisher]

I thought his relationship with the tetrahedron was purely platonic.

[The Man]

I thought his relationship with the tetrahedron was purely platonic.

Yea, but he just wants it to be something more. Taking it to a different level of cohabitating relationship. Unbeknownst to us and, evidently, him.

[DarbyII]

Darby:



It doesn't matter which calendar you use. The system is applicable on each calendar

Proove it.

I've seen dozens of posts where you've specifically referred to 9-11, 1111 (11-11), multiples of 11-11, etc. and based your calculations on the numerology of those specific date references. These are Gregorian calendar dates.

So, proove it. Pick another calendar, tell us which calendar it is, use the same relative reference on the Gregorian calendar (11-11, 9-11) and show us the numbers and how they stun you.

[Dutch]

Proove it.

I've seen dozens of posts where you've specifically referred to 9-11, 1111 (11-11), multiples of 11-11, etc. and based your calculations on the numerology of those specific date references. These are Gregorian calendar dates.

So, proove it. Pick another calendar, tell us which calendar it is, use the same relative reference on the Gregorian calendar (11-11, 9-11) and show us the numbers and how they stun you.


1111 days 'awakeningstimeframe' around a monitored eventsday in the middle. Choose whatever calendar you like. As long as it is based on Earth's orbital period it doesn't matter at all. The fact that you don't seem to understand this indicates that you've probably have NEVER read or tried to understand the material.

[Dutch]

Yea, but he just wants it to be something more. Taking it to a different level of cohabitating relationship. Unbeknownst to us and, evidently, him.

I don't want to be something more, I just notice something more.
I do recognize all these 'coincidences' and synchronicities while working with this stuff. That's what I share.

[Dutch]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please Dutch, I beseech of thee not to go there!!!! Do you understand the HDD ramifications of your ‘less politeness’?!?! In ain’t just a freak’n tetrahedron its a dodecahedron, from another dimension (those are the worst), of pain.!!! The suffering would be reprehensible, please think of the children!!!

Other than that, best of luck with your new and forth coming “less polite” approach. It could hardly do worse than your current and previous ‘less informed’ approach.


Man, what I mean is that some posters here are treating me with very little respect and calling me whatever they want. Some aren't very polite and they accuse me of alot of things while they also aren't giving the impression that they are seriously dealing with my answers.
I have reason enough to be less polite in these cases but I guess it's not worth it so I can let it rest until now. So no need to be less polite yet

[Dutch]

Exactly Dutch, once again demonstrating and expressly affirming that your Dimensional Design Hype is entirely one dimensional (just time) and singularly based just on your “perception of time”.

We have a 3D reality ( + time ) that we find ourselves alive in.

If other dimensional realms, or if you prefer expressions of consciouness at other levels, indeed exist, than the 'link' between them would be our perception of time. All intelligent correlations are based on our perception of time, that's what HDDesign is about.
That's where the synchronicities and 'coincidences' occur.

[Dutch]

Sounds pretty barbaric.

a perfect example of a useless remark, contributes nothing at all.

Why are you doing this and why does everybody accepts this?

If I would say it onces the heat would be on.

[Dutch]

'Feelings' and 'intuition', that's what it's all about:

Your judgement with respect to sharing your 'feelings' and 'intuition' or not, is not trustworthy, it's evidently worthless.

Its worthless to those who decide to ignore all these 'coincidences' and synchronicities.

[Sideroxylon]

Its worthless to those who decide to ignore all these 'coincidences' and synchronicities.

That's everyone but you, Dutch. See a problem in that?

[Orphia Nay]

Darby:
Start at the North Pole (and for the sake of the argument we will assume - incorrectly but its not important - that the circumference of both the polar and equatorial Earth distances is 24,000 miles...a "perfect circle"). Lay a straight line running due south to the eqator - 6,000 miles. At the equator turn left and lay out another line 6,000 miles. You now have a right angle 6,000 miles on a side. It looks like we're sarting to construct an isosceles right triangle. So, next turn left 45 degrees and start back in a northerly direction. Go that way for, oh, 8485.25 miles (sqrt (a^2+b^2) = hypotenuse). You should be right back to where you started, right? Plane geometry says that's the case. But that's not where you will end up. You will miss the North Pole by a a few thousand miles.

I can't see what this has to do with our perception of time, it's totally irrelevant in relation to this HDDesign 'research'.

No, HDD is irrelevant to reality. You're making it up based on your own misconceptions. You even admit it, by saying HDD's based on "perceptions". Perceptions are fallible, faulty, vague. The truth sits in the middle and knows, to quote Robert Frost.

[Dutch]

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8103709&postcount=5040

My relevant question:

In your post (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8106459&postcount=5058) quoted above, where you quoted yourself (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2373349&postcount=23), nothing that even remotely resembles 'recalculating the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens' through 'reversing the continental drift' can be found.

As far as the first question from the list (http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif) ( or list (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973)) is concerned


No calculations were ever provided by you.

Mind you:


So, both requests for calculations (on your insistence) have not been honored by you.
No calculations, no references or links to those calculations.
Evidently, the term liar describes you very well.

Go back to your 'cage' ..... and use your time there to do some 'research'.
Not at all, it should be clear that I was talking about the determination of the theoretical HD Cube spot near Yellowstone at aprox. 45 degrees North.
I took Mount st. Helens as a marker to reverse the continental drift, assuming the North American plae was moving to the North - North west.

While I was wrong to take Mount st helens as the marker, the theory is still valid. The North American plate moves west-south west:

Yellowstone lies over a hotspot where light, hot, molten mantle rock rises towards the surface. While the Yellowstone hotspot is now under the Yellowstone Plateau, it previously helped create the eastern Snake River Plain (to the west of Yellowstone) through a series of huge volcanic eruptions. Although the hotspot's apparent motion is to the east-northeast, the North American Plate is really moving west-southwest over the stationary hotspot in the Earth's mantle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera

The Yellowstone hotspot, also referred to as the Snake River Plain-Yellowstone hotspot, is a volcanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano) hotspot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotspot_(geology)) responsible for large scale volcanism in Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon), Nevada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada), Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho), and Wyoming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming), United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). It created the eastern Snake River Plain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_River_Plain) through a succession of caldera forming eruptions. The resulting calderas include the Island Park Caldera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Park_Caldera), the Henry's Fork Caldera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry%27s_Fork_Caldera), and the Bruneau-Jarbidge caldera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruneau-Jarbidge_caldera). The hotspot currently lies under the Yellowstone Caldera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_hotspot

[Dutch]

Paul:

That's quite a big mistake, considering your solution is to say that a massive National Park a small town once passed over the same general area as each other and are both hundreds of miles from mount St. Helens.



I was talking about the Yellowstone hotspot, which indeed appears to be stationairy around 45 degrees North.

Your remark doesn't make any sense at all, I hope you understand that.

If the North American plate was indeed moving to west-Northwest, than Mount st Helens would have been once at the same geometrical area as current Yellowstone location: above the stationairy plume.

We now know that the direction of the movement of the Nort American plate is west-south west. I just took the wrong marker to 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot around 45 degrees Nort near Yellowstone, but the therory is valid. I should have taken Island Park etc., which is indeed confirming the initial idea.

[Dutch]

Nope, as i have explained in a previous post above, both Yellowstone and 'the First Fase of Yellowstone' finds their same source of a stationairy plume around 45 degrees North.

I don't know what that means due to the arrangement of words not making any sense, but you do realise how big Yellowstone National Park is, don't you?

Due to continental drift of the North American plate, they both drifted over the same stationairy plume yes. That's fact, not a claim

So? Are you going to claim that large areas of Oregon, Nevada and Idaho are special too? Do your timelines go back 16 million years?



? The only thing I have claimed in the HDDesign material is that Yellowstone is indicating a stationary plume at around 45 degrees North and that the reversal of continental drift would indicate that. While wrong with taking mount st Helens as a marker to reverse this continental drift, the theory is valid. Like you said, its a fact.



Did I say the Yellowstone hotspot wasn't stationary?


So what's your problem than?

[Dutch]

So? Are you going to claim that large areas of Oregon, Nevada and Idaho are special too? Do your timelines go back 16 million years?


???? I don't see what this has to do with the Yellowstone plume

[Dutch]

That's everyone but you, Dutch. See a problem in that?

That doesn't mean it isn't true

[Dutch]

No, HDD is irrelevant to reality. You're making it up based on your own misconceptions. You even admit it, by saying HDD's based on "perceptions". Perceptions are fallible, faulty, vague. The truth sits in the middle and knows, to quote Robert Frost.

While 50% is a bit much to ask I'm afraid, I would be very pleased if you would consider only 1%. It's a start.
HDdesign is initially based on intuition and synchronicities followed by rational application of the described elements of HDDesign that find confirmation instantly.

[Sideroxylon]

That doesn't mean it isn't true

No, Dutch, it doesn't and you will cling to that. However only you being able to see these alleged synchronicities should suggest to you that your own cognitive biases are a likely explanation. How have you ruled that out?

[Paul]

I was talking about the Yellowstone hotspot, which indeed appears to be stationairy around 45 degrees North.The hotspot is stationary, the North American plate isn't.


Your remark doesn't make any sense at all, I hope you understand that.Apparently I will have to simplify things even more: You are claiming significance in the fact that you think that Island Park - a very long, very narrow town - and Yellowstone National Park - a 2 and a quarter million acre park - might have moved over the same area.


We now know that the direction of the movement of the Nort American plate is west-south west.You now know, because someone else had to tell you.


I just took the wrong marker to 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot around 45 degrees Nort near YellowstoneWhy are you so vague?

It's pathetic that you constantly tell us how important HDD is but when it comes down to it, your precision is 2¼ million acres and 45 degrees north. And even then it's around and near.


but the therory is valid.You don't have a theory.


I should have taken Island Park etc., which is indeed confirming the initial idea.And you still can't see the problem with this.

[Paul]

So what's your problem than?Apparently that you cannot understand simple answers and that you continue to ignore relevant questions such as "What do you mean by feeding?".

[Paul]

???? I don't see what this has to do with the Yellowstone plumeThat's because you do absolutely no research or basic fact checking before you spout unsupported nonsense.

[Daylightstar]

a perfect example of a useless remark, contributes nothing at all.
...

It's about putting you in front of a mirror. Your remark:
I don't think I am less polite yet, reason enough to do so though
A claim of not having displayed a negative behavior being reason enough to display that negative behavior, is indeed pretty barbaric.

Not only that, it evidently is a useless remark:
... So no need to be less polite yet
It contributes nothing at all.

Not at all, it should be clear that I was talking about the determination of the theoretical HD Cube spot near Yellowstone at aprox. 45 degrees North. ...

It should be clear to you that you insisted to calculate whatever specifically asked:
not at all. ask specifically and I will calculate it .

come on, ask it.
You have never provided the calculations I asked, anywhere.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6802560&postcount=4071
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8074959&postcount=4973
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8103709&postcount=5040
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8107338&postcount=5063

You are a certified lier.

In the above situation one of the questions was:
Another one:

Please 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens for us.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6648023&postcount=3815
...
So if we recalculate the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens, we have to reverse the continental drift so to speek
...
...
And yet, although evidently no such calculations exist, and you evidently lied about them existing, multiple times, you simply repeat the same claim of having recalculated an (unevidenced) 'HD Cube spot:
... I just took the wrong marker to 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot around 45 degrees Nort near Yellowstone, ...
Highlite by Daylightstar
But what's that???? You suddenly have added single quotes around the word "recalculate", just to attempt to avoid being confronted with you not being able to show any such recalculation of an unevidenced HD Cube spot.

But in spite of the sudden single quotes around the word "recalulate", the fact remains, you never provided the calculations. And yet, like a true fraud, you continue undisturbed by the facts, with your claim of recalculating an (unevidenced) HD Cube spot.
And true to your style, you continue lying about it all.

[Daylightstar]

My last post was a reply to this. Nope. not demolised at all.

Actually, you demolished yourself in post 23 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2373349&postcount=23).
... its on the first page already!!!!
...

Through your 365/360 debacle, you multiply a contextually meaningless degree value with another contextually meaningless degree value and you call the result a number in days.
:jaw-dropp
The lines containing numbers and values aren't even actual calculations.
...
The funny/sad thing is that Dutch is doing random elementary arithmetic, without actually calculating anything.
The "EXACTLY!" thing is indeed bizarre.
Come weasel, come come come. Come out from wherever you are.

[Daylightstar]

...
HDdesign is initially based on intuition and synchronicities followed by rational application of the described elements of HDDesign that find confirmation instantly.

A broken mind (yours) does not provide whole thoughts.

[The Man]

I don't want to be something more, I just notice something more.
I do recognize all these 'coincidences' and synchronicities while working with this stuff. That's what I share.

What you notice is just your own inclinations and you wanting it to be something more and that's what you don't recognize.

[The Man]

Man, what I mean is that some posters here are treating me with very little respect and calling me whatever they want. Some aren't very polite and they accuse me of alot of things while they also aren't giving the impression that they are seriously dealing with my answers.
I have reason enough to be less polite in these cases but I guess it's not worth it so I can let it rest until now. So no need to be less polite yet

Once again quoting a post from me and deliberately addressing your response to some other user named "Man". Please try harder Dutch. Evidently you simply aren't as polite (among other things) as you would just like to imagine.

[The Man]

We have a 3D reality ( + time ) that we find ourselves alive in.

Space-time is 3+1 dimensions (3 bidirectional and 1 unidirectional), which is irrelevant as you don't calculate in space-time. The actual number of independent dimensions involved in what we refer to as reality is a matter of current debate and research. Again also irrelevant as you only calculate in one dimension, time.


If other dimensional realms, or if you prefer expressions of consciouness at other levels, indeed exist, than the 'link' between them would be our perception of time. All intelligent correlations are based on our perception of time, that's what HDDesign is about.
That's where the synchronicities and 'coincidences' occur.

Unmitigated nonsense, " expressions of consciouness at other levels" is not the basis of an independent dimension. Though it is a common adulteration of the meaning of dimension. Your problem seems to be conflating the two. The mathematical definition of dimension that defines space-time as 3+1 and the fantasy usage of dimension as some " expressions of consciouness at other levels". Again actually irrelevant as the fact remains you only calculate in one dimension, time. Regardless of what your reasons are Dutch

[Dutch]

No, Dutch, it doesn't and you will cling to that. However only you being able to see these alleged synchronicities should suggest to you that your own cognitive biases are a likely explanation. How have you ruled that out?

I know from my own experience, that from the moment I started to do this 'research' what came to be the HDDesign material, unprecedented coincidences and synchronicities started to occur, pinpointing at hidden intelligent correlations that could be used for future expectations based on timecoded patterns and direct links based a a few basic mathematical principles. I do understand what is commonly accepted to be a coincidence and what statistically could be expected.
I don't see any reason why somebody else wouldn't notice these 'coincidences' once he seriously decides to work with it.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Dutch http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=8112310#post8112310)
I was talking about the Yellowstone hotspot, which indeed appears to be stationairy around 45 degrees North.


Paul:

"The hotspot is stationary, the North American plate isn't."

That means that the hotspot is stationary around 45 Degrees North ( Cube latitude ). The volcanoes move along with the crust to the west-south west.
get it?

[Dutch]

Paul:

Apparently I will have to simplify things even more: You are claiming significance in the fact that you think that Island Park - a very long, very narrow town - and Yellowstone National Park - a 2 and a quarter million acre park - might have moved over the same area


Island Park Caldera Paul.

Paul, I'm sorry to have to say this, but that's exactly what it means.

Continental crust movement over a stationairy plume.

It's science and fact, you just don't understand it

skeptical mind is one thing but...

[Dutch]

You now know, because someone else had to tell you.



Indeed, and I am glad I have been told. Should have happened years ago because it proves the theory without a single doubt now.

Instead of making useless remarks, it would suit you to try to contribute with meaningful information too.

[Dutch]

Paul:
Why are you so vague?

It's pathetic that you constantly tell us how important HDD is but when it comes down to it, your precision is 2¼ million acres and 45 degrees north. And even then it's around and near.


Could you please try to understand first Paul?

Read the previous posts again about this subject. Take a look at the information avaiable on the internet about the Yellowstone plume and the implications that crustal move has had in the post on the environment.

There's a series of caldera's that have found their common origin from a stationary plume around 45 degrees North.

That's it, should be clear. I cannot help you any further if you can't understand this.

[Dutch]

Paul:
Why are you so vague?

It's pathetic that you constantly tell us how important HDD is but when it comes down to it, your precision is 2¼ million acres and 45 degrees north. And even then it's around and near.


Could you please try to understand first Paul?

Read the previous posts again about this subject. Take a look at the information avaiable on the internet about the Yellowstone plume and the implications that crustal move has had in the past on the environment.

There's a series of caldera's that have found their common origin from a stationary plume around 45 degrees North.

That's it, should be clear. I cannot help you any further if you can't understand this.

[Dutch]

That's because you do absolutely no research or basic fact checking before you spout unsupported nonsense.

To the contrarairy. This 'Yellowstone case' is a perfect example of how an intuitive idea that was posted realtime without research has found confirmation in scientific facts if you take the time to give it a closer look.

[Dutch]

Sorry Day, I've chosen not to respond to posts 5089 till 5091, maybe not deliberately, but it feels you are obstructing me for some reason.

[Dutch]

What you notice is just your own inclinations and you wanting it to be something more and that's what you don't recognize.

It's not about what I want, its about what I recognize as totally unexpectable if our reality would really be as random as it initially appears to us. It can happen once or twice or a few times, but if you strumble on these 'coincidences' repeatedly, consistently and continuously, than you really have to start to think about how this could be possible.

You choose to ignore and not to try if for yourself. I cannot convince you, I know that, you can only be 'touched' by this underlying intelligence if you discover it yourselves.

[Dutch]

Once again quoting a post from me and deliberately addressing your response to some other user named "Man". Please try harder Dutch. Evidently you simply aren't as polite (among other things) as you would just like to imagine.

You have been very disrespectful, but if it makes you feel better I will use your real username when I want to rerspond to a serious contribution from you.

[Dutch]

The Man:


Space-time is 3+1 dimensions (3 bidirectional and 1 unidirectional), which is irrelevant as you don't calculate in space-time. The actual number of independent dimensions involved in what we refer to as reality is a matter of current debate and research. Again also irrelevant as you only calculate in one dimension, time.



Are you telling me that you are going to sit and wait until somebody is going to tell you: YES WE HAVE.....more dimensions.

When that moment comes, you are going to start to think about its implications?

You probably won't live long enough.

The indications are omnipresent and overwhelming but you can still choose to ignore. Safe right? it's a waste of opportunities this rigid mindset

[Dutch]

The Man:

Unmitigated nonsense, " expressions of consciouness at other levels" is not the basis of an independent dimension. Though it is a common adulteration of the meaning of dimension. Your problem seems to be conflating the two. The mathematical definition of dimension that defines space-time as 3+1 and the fantasy usage of dimension as some " expressions of consciouness at other levels". Again actually irrelevant as the fact remains you only calculate in one dimension, time. Regardless of what your reasons are Dutch

What if you are wrong and our dimensions aren't independent at all?

What about consciousness?

Our perception of time is the ONLY key if we want to try to unravel this possible 'independence' . It's in this field that the hidden underlying intelligent correlations show up.

[Daylightstar]

Sorry Day, I've chosen not to respond to posts 5089 till 5091, maybe not deliberately, but it feels you are obstructing me for some reason.

The reason for your 'feeling obstructed' is contained in those very posts.
I am however not so sure it's a choice, rather than a necessity .....

[Daylightstar]

You have been very disrespectful, but if it makes you feel better I will use your real username when I want to rerspond to a serious contribution from you.

The Man has requested more than once that you use his full username. This ought to be enough to comply ... at all times.

[Dutch]

The reason for your 'feeling obstructed' is contained in those very posts.
I am however not so sure it's a choice, rather than a necessity .....

So try to communicate in a decent way. I cannot respond in a proper way to your posts with several references and multiple splits. Make your point and I'll take you serious and I'll respond.

This is becomming anoying

[Daylightstar]

..., it would suit you to try to contribute with meaningful information too.

Unfortunately, this is evidently a strictly unilateral request.

[Dutch]

The Man has requested more than once that you use his full username. This ought to be enough to comply ... at all times.

I have promissed man to use his real name when I respond to serious contributions.

[dafydd]

I have promissed man to use his real name when I respond to serious contributions.

How can there be serious responses to you?

[Daylightstar]

So try to communicate in a decent way. I cannot respond in a proper way to your posts with several references and multiple splits. Make your point and I'll take you serious and I'll respond.

This is becomming anoying

I will format posts in a way acceptable to this forum. If you can't handle that, simply don't respond.

[Dutch]

That would indeed be the first question to answer to you.

[Daylightstar]

I have promissed man to use his real name when I respond to serious contributions.

Not his real name, his full username. At all times.

[Dutch]

I will format posts in a way acceptable to this forum. If you can't handle that, simply don't respond.

Don't worry, I can handle it

[Dutch]

Not his real name, his full username. At all times.

You are putting yourselves crazy man, uhh..not you man

[Daylightstar]

Don't worry, I can handle it

... I cannot respond in a proper way to your posts with several references and multiple splits. ...

:rolleyes:

[Daylightstar]

You are putting yourselves crazy man, uhh..not you man

Dutch: Degrees times degrees = days (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8113415&postcount=5090)

[Dutch]

Dutch: Degrees times degrees = days (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8113415&postcount=5090)

Dare to explain how the geometrical determined positions on an orbit are inconsistent with our system of dates, regardless which calendar you use?

[Dutch]

guess not, but I'm off now. 1 am and kids are early....

[Paul]

That means that the hotspot is stationary around 45 Degrees North ( Cube latitude ). The volcanoes move along with the crust to the west-south west.I know you like to pretend you are smarter than everyone else, but this inability to comprehend meaning is just getting ridiculous.

As you are currently claiming positioning is important, you should take note of the ISO standard: "without the full specification of the coordinate reference system, coordinates (that is latitude and longitude) are ambiguous at best and meaningless at worst"

Cube latitude doesn't exist and "around 45 degrees north" is useless; France, Croatia, the Black Sea, Hokkaido and Lake Michigan are 45 degrees north.

[Paul]

Island Park Caldera Paul.Then you should have said that, shouldn't you.


Paul, I'm sorry to have to say this, but that's exactly what it means.I'm well aware of what I wrote, you seem to be ignoring the part where I mention that you think it is significant in some way.


Continental crust movement over a stationairy plume.Yes, for 16 million years, so what?


It's science and fact, you just don't understand itWhich part of science or fact does you comprehension lead you to believe I do not understand?


skeptical mind is one thing but...But not something you possess.

[Paul]

Indeed, and I am glad I have been told. Should have happened years ago because it proves the theory without a single doubt now.It proves nothing and you still don't have a theory.


Instead of making useless remarks, it would suit you to try to contribute with meaningful information too.I can see why you would consider facts to be useless and without meaning.

[Paul]

Could you please try to understand first Paul?There doesn't appear to be anything to understand; you were wrong and now you want to pretend you were right and we are all too ignorant to notice.


Read the previous posts again about this subject.The ones where you couldn't even get the basic information right, those posts?


Take a look at the information avaiable on the internet about the Yellowstone plume and the implications that crustal move has had in the post on the environment.I'm not sure what you think "the post on the environment" is going to tell me.


There's a series of caldera's that have found their common origin from a stationary plume around 45 degrees North.You don't appear to know what 45 degrees north really means.


That's it, should be clear. I cannot help you any further if you can't understand this.Not clear, not even translucent and I'm still not sure what you imagine I don't understand.

[Paul]

To the contrarairy. This 'Yellowstone case' is a perfect example of how an intuitive idea that was posted realtime without research has found confirmation in scientific facts if you take the time to give it a closer look.Crap.

[Paul]

Sorry Day, I've chosen not to respond to posts 5089 till 5091, maybe not deliberately, but it feels you are obstructing me for some reason.That's probably your worst excuse for ignoring something to date, an that's saying something.

Writing a post to say your not responding to a post. :rolleyes:

[dafydd]

45 degrees north, lol and yet more lol. Goed gedaan Dutch.

[Orphia Nay]

HDdesign is initially based on intuition and synchronicities followed by rational application of the described elements of HDDesign that find confirmation instantly.

Yes, HDD is fantasy and delusion followed by obsessive-compulsive castle-building on sand.

[Daylightstar]

Dare to explain how the geometrical determined positions on an orbit are inconsistent with our system of dates, regardless which calendar you use?

Dare to acknowledge that you have not and can not do the calculations you said you had done and you said you could do (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8113355&postcount=5089)?

It's not like you have shown that 'a position on an orbit' is relevant to 'a system of dates'.
Anyways, when it comes to an orbit, you're the guy that multiplies degree values with degree values and calls the result a number in days (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8113415&postcount=5090).
You are, you know, not exactly an authority on things like orbits and dates ... and degrees.

[Paul]

never mind, I think I temporarily confused my fools.

[Hans]

Ah one of my visits to see how Dutch and his friends are getting on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hmmmm

Dutch still confused and still believing in what-ever-the-nonsense-he-believes

His friends reminding him he completely lost it; post after post

Yep same as the last few years

lol

Good luck and good day

[Dutch]

I know you like to pretend you are smarter than everyone else, but this inability to comprehend meaning is just getting ridiculous.

As you are currently claiming positioning is important, you should take note of the ISO standard: "without the full specification of the coordinate reference system, coordinates (that is latitude and longitude) are ambiguous at best and meaningless at worst"

Cube latitude doesn't exist and "around 45 degrees north" is useless; France, Croatia, the Black Sea, Hokkaido and Lake Michigan are 45 degrees north.

You are avoiding the subject at hand Paul, continental drift over a stationairy plume. 45 degrees North yes. ( btw I keep an eye on ofshore Hokkaido )

[Dutch]

.

Originally Posted by Dutch http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=8117270#post8117270)
Island Park Caldera Paul


Paul:
"Then you should have said that, shouldn't you."

Paul. I am talking about Island Park Caldera in recent posts.

Com'on. Why are you doing this?

[Daylightstar]

You are avoiding the subject at hand Paul, ...

Translation: You refuse to uncritically accept and talk about my 'intuitions' as if they are real.

[Dutch]

Some of you are deliberately obstructing me right?

There's no way to have a normal discussion this way. I am accused of alot of things while it appears to be acceptable here that others do behave in such manner.

Either way some are playing games or they are plain stupid.

I can't afford to waste too much time.

I'm going back to the basics of HDDesign 'research'.

Practically that means being 'available'

stay tuned

[Sideroxylon]

Here we go again with the haughty act and the trite dismissals of all objectors to your baloney.

When you go back to the basics, Dutch, you might want to give serious consideration to the idea that all of these various people you have interacted over the years might be right and you are wrong.

[Paul]

You are avoiding the subject at hand Paul, continental drift over a stationairy plume. 45 degrees North yes.Are you at all capable of responding to the actual contents of a post, or are you intent on repeating meaningless phrases to disguise your ignorance?


( btw I keep an eye on ofshore Hokkaido )Really? Shame nothing ever happens in Japan isn't it.

[Paul]

Paul. I am talking about Island Park Caldera in recent posts.You may well be, but that is not what you said. Your history of dishonesty does not allow you to pretend you accidentally used the wrong name or location without question.


Com'on. Why are you doing this?Because you keep making stupid claims and stupid errors and refuse to accept the easily demonstrable fact of either.

[Paul]

Some of you are deliberately obstructing me right?No, it's called questioning; we question your claims and you refuse to address those questions.


There's no way to have a normal discussion this way. I am accused of alot of things while it appears to be acceptable here that others do behave in such manner.If you were capable of responding to questions or comments in a serious way you would find the tone entirely different. It is your refusal to engage properly that frustrates posters and gives them no incentive to indulge you.

Simply, you are making claims that you say are serious. If you respond in a manner that demonstrates this, others will do likewise.


Either way some are playing games or they are plain stupid.Is this the type of thing you are complaining about, or are you just incapable of having a normal discussion?


I can't afford to waste too much time.Which is not the response of someone with a genuinely important discovery on their hands.


I'm going back to the basics of HDDesign 'research'.One day you might explain these to everyone.


Practically that means being 'available'Your personal life is none of my concern.


stay tunedI'm sure we all hang on your every word. :rolleyes:

[Daylightstar]

...
There's no way to have a normal discussion this way. ...
Or in other words, again:
Translation: You refuse to uncritically accept and talk about my 'intuitions' as if they are real.


... I am accused of alot of things ..
Won't you quickly list them for us? You know, for reference.

... I can't afford to waste too much time. ...
You have afforded yourself many years of time wasting already, even from your own point of view. Just look at your 365/360 debacle where you have been wrong from the very beginning, as pointed out by DarbyII.

On another note, when you make posts like:
... 1 am and kids are early....
... you are decidedly wasting time. Especially since you are not offering people anything substantial or real.

... I'm going back to the basics of HDDesign 'research'. ...

Ah yes, the basics:
Degrees times degrees = days (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8113415&postcount=5090). Some 'research' that is. If only you had functional intuition ....


...stay tuned
Obsessive Compulsive.

[The Man]

That means that the hotspot is stationary around 45 Degrees North ( Cube latitude ). The volcanoes move along with the crust to the west-south west.
get it?

What exactly is a “Cube latitude” anyway?

[The Man]

It's not about what I want, its about what I recognize as totally unexpectable if our reality would really be as random as it initially appears to us. It can happen once or twice or a few times, but if you strumble on these 'coincidences' repeatedly, consistently and continuously, than you really have to start to think about how this could be possible.

It is possible, once again, because it is simply what you want.



You choose to ignore and not to try if for yourself. I cannot convince you, I know that, you can only be 'touched' by this underlying intelligence if you discover it yourselves.

Try to stop just ‘touching’ yourself and you may find the only thing unintelligently underlying all of this is just you and your own inclinations.

[The Man]

You have been very disrespectful, but if it makes you feel better I will use your real username when I want to rerspond to a serious contribution from you.

If you behaved seriously you might be taken seriously.

[The Man]

The Man:



Are you telling me that you are going to sit and wait until somebody is going to tell you: YES WE HAVE.....more dimensions.

Once again missing the point, how many dimensions we have is irrelevant to you. You only use one.

When that moment comes, you are going to start to think about its implications?

People have been doing that for a very long time; please try to learn about what you want to discuss the ‘implications' of..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spacetime_dimensionality.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime#Privileged_character_of_3.2B1_spacetime



You probably won't live long enough.
I already have as have you, the difference is I’ve investigated those ‘implications’.


The indications are omnipresent and overwhelming but you can still choose to ignore. Safe right? it's a waste of opportunities this rigid mindset

You are nether “omnipresent” nor “overwhelming” nor is your ‘intuition’. You have yet to acknowledge the obvious “omnipresent and overwhelming” fact that this is all just you.

[The Man]

The Man:



What if you are wrong and our dimensions aren't independent at all?
It is there independence (specifically in direction) that makes them different dimensions.

What about consciousness?

What about it? Please learn to recognize the activities of your consciousness as opposed to pretending it is just some ‘extra-dimensional’ consciousness.

Our perception of time is the ONLY key if we want to try to unravel this possible 'independence' . It's in this field that the hidden underlying intelligent correlations show up.
No, again thy show up only in your mind and at your bequest as evidenced by the requirement of your ‘intuition’, the one thing your (certainly not “our”) perception of time is never independent of is you Dutch. Again please learn how consciousness functions and its tendency to deceive itself.

[The Man]

Dare to explain how the geometrical determined positions on an orbit are inconsistent with our system of dates, regardless which calendar you use?

Dare to explain exactly how those “positions on an orbit” are, well, geometrically “determined”?

[ThunderChunky]

stay tuned

It looks like you pick a a few days where "something" will happen and then you scan the news headlines for those days to find "something." The problem is that something is always happening because you pick very mundane things. I guarantee you that if you pick a range of days where you predict that NOTHING will happen you will find the same **** happening in the news as the days where you predict something will happen. Your theory, thus has zero predictive value.

[Paul]

Your theory, thus has zero predictive value.For someone that "keep an eye on ofshore Hokkaido" the postdictive ability is exceptionally poor too.

[The Man]

It looks like you pick a a few days where "something" will happen and then you scan the news headlines for those days to find "something." The problem is that something is always happening because you pick very mundane things. I guarantee you that if you pick a range of days where you predict that NOTHING will happen you will find the same **** happening in the news as the days where you predict something will happen. Your theory, thus has zero predictive value.

Not only that, there was one instance (a couple or so years ago) where one of Dutch’s “timelines” was related (by him) to an upcoming launch of the space shuttle. Unfortunately that launch was delayed however that non-event (no launch) was cited as the event prescribed by his timeline. So to his HDD nothing happening is the same as something happening. It has no power (predictive or otherwise) other than just to feed his ego.

[Mister Earl]

Some of you are deliberately obstructing me right?
You are the largest obstruction here, Dutch. Many, many years ago I asked you outline your whole process, to include charts graphs and math so we could independantly verify what results you get. You have consistently refused. I can only imagine this is because you have no set process, and instead pull predictions from some random orifice and then try to hide it using your magic system whose only proficiency is in always having the exact excuse you need, when you need it.

There's no way to have a normal discussion this way. I am accused of alot of things while it appears to be acceptable here that others do behave in such manner.
Years and years, Dutch. If you had any intention whatsoever in rationally discussing your hypothesis, you would have been productive and forthright from the start. You have not.

Either way some are playing games or they are plain stupid.
There's a game going on here, to be sure. And we're not the ones playing. And you're the only one who doesn't see the points don't matter anywhere.

I can't afford to waste too much time.
Sure you can. We all can and have. How many years has it been, Dutch, since you were asked to outline your process and you refuse?

I'm going back to the basics of HDDesign 'research'.
You don't have any basics. If you do, you refuse to outline them for the rest of us.

Practically that means being 'available'

stay tuned
Stay tuned for another five years of the exact same thing. Smoke, mirrors, word salad, failed predictions, excuses, mass redefinition of common terms, and refusal to outline your prediction process so others can independently check your results.

[DarbyII]

Mister Earl,

Our OP "host" likes to liken himself to Albert Einstein via a quote from Einstein as his tag line. Fine (also +10 pts on the Baez Crackpot Index for comparing himself to Albert Einstein). It is out of context and does not actually associate itself with Dutch's "methodology". So, I'll take another out of context Einstein quote and associate it with Dutch (and in this case it is actually conformal to the context):

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

Enough said. And now can we finally put this thread to bed?

[Wolrab]

Not until April 14 when my plans come to fruition!

[Dutch]

Well, it's obvious we aren't going anywhere this way.

Let's try a different approach, step by step.

Although he's not talking about the macrolevel here, it is a start:

KYMATICA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj5LiJ5KLIk&feature=youtu.be

[Paul]

Man with stupid ideas says something stupid; that'll certainly help us understand HDD.

[dafydd]

Well, it's obvious we aren't going anywhere this way.

Let's try a different approach, step by step.

Although he's not talking about the macrolevel here, it is a start:

KYMATICA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj5LiJ5KLIk&feature=youtu.be

Another crank video on Youtube. So what? Got any predictions for us or are you waiting for the news bulletin?

[Dutch]

Step by step...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Acgvjw2s5k

[dafydd]

Step by step...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Acgvjw2s5k

That has nothing to do with your HDD fantasy.

[Sideroxylon]

That has nothing to do with your HDD fantasy.

Pseudoscience is the common denominator.

[Daylightstar]

Step by step...
...

... in circles, on square one.

[Dutch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-pY3OehTLI

[Sideroxylon]

New age pseudo-philosophical wankery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXHtjb44qyA

[Daylightstar]

... in circles, on square one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-pY3OehTLI

Square oneism. Round and round you go.

[Dutch]

There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of consciousness

[Orphia Nay]

There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of consciousness

I gather that to you, "consciousness" means anything and everything you choose it to mean.

Your unifying theory will never make sense to anyone but you, and you will never be able to put it into words.

Aside from that, Dutch, could you explain the significance of your avatar? It's possibly the creepiest avatar I've ever seen, and I thought that before I ever read anything you'd written.

Why on earth did you choose a caveman waterskiing behind disembodied eyeballs to represent yourself? What does this image have to do with HDD?

[dafydd]

Why on earth did you choose a caveman waterskiing behind disembodied eyeballs to represent yourself? What does this image have to do with HDD?

It's the oogst. ( Dutch will get it)

[Orphia Nay]

It's the oogst. ( Dutch will get it)

Could you help me get it? :confused:

[Daylightstar]

There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of consciousness

There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of chocolate.

[dafydd]

Could you help me get it? :confused:

Ok, but it will lose a lot in the translation. Oog is Dutch for eye, oogst is the Dutch word for harvest, so the guy in his avatar is harvesting eyes.

[Paul]

There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of chocolate.And where might I sign up for your research program?

[Daylightstar]

And where might I sign up for your research program?

Right here and right now, immediately after receipt of your much appreciated [chocolate] donation which will strictly be used for research only.

Unless you'd prefer the "There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of bacon" research program. Then insert bacon between the square brackets.

[jsfisher]

Right here and right now, immediately after receipt of your much appreciated [chocolate] donation which will strictly be used for research only.

Unless you'd prefer the "There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of bacon" research program. Then insert bacon between the square brackets.

Why do you assume bacon and chocolate to be incompatible? I propose a joint study of bacon/chocolate phenomena.

[Dutch]

I gather that to you, "consciousness" means anything and everything you choose it to mean.

Your unifying theory will never make sense to anyone but you, and you will never be able to put it into words.


I am not providing an unifying theory, I am talking about scientists.

We are already years past the 'prediction' from Stephen Hawking, in which he stated that within 10 years we would know it all. There should have been a Grand Unification Theory years ago. It didn't happen.
It will not happen without inclusion of consciousness.

I do not pretend to prove a Grand Theory of Everything, I just focus on the indirect intelligent indications.

[Daylightstar]

Why do you assume bacon and chocolate to be incompatible? I propose a joint study of bacon/chocolate phenomena.

Well, the whole point is to create a bacon/chocolate
... unifying theory, ...
We might as well combine the real and proven bacon/chocolate phenomena into one giant study.
I'm sure we can handle it.

[Dutch]

Aside from that, Dutch, could you explain the significance of your avatar? It's possibly the creepiest avatar I've ever seen, and I thought that before I ever read anything you'd written.

Why on earth did you choose a caveman waterskiing behind disembodied eyeballs to represent yourself? What does this image have to do with HDD?

Well Orphia my dear,

As with everything in HDDesign, I have chosen this avatar intuitively years ago, back in 2003 or so.

When I look at it, I look at the man. He's not creepy at all. He throws some eyes out, confrontating the observer.

HDDesign unveils the darker sides of human expressions of consciousness, because for some ( essential) reason these dark expressions seem to be less hidden. We can understand the connectedness of these dark expressions....if we choose to.

When you look in the eye it could be creepy perhaps, it depends on the observer. It doesn't feel that way to me though.

[Daylightstar]

I am not providing an unifying theory, ...
We know.

...I am talking about scientists. ...
Riiiight, the ones with there intuition intact. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8060437&postcount=4892)

...Grand Unification Theory ...
It will not happen without inclusion of consciousness.
...
... or chocolate, or bacon.

...
I do not pretend to prove a Grand Theory of Everything, ...
Good for you.

... intelligent ...
3.

[Daylightstar]

...
HDDesign unveils the darker sides of human expressions of consciousness, because for some ( essential) reason these dark expressions seem to be less hidden. We can understand the connectedness of these dark expressions....if we choose to.
...
Hilites by Daylightstar
Yes, in certain people they show up clearly.

[Daylightstar]

... He's not creepy at all. He throws some eyes out, ...

:rolleyes:

[Dutch]

Day...

Current scientific understanding includes extra dimensions in order to discribe our reality.

Do you really think you are just a biological coherence that has found his way to exist by chance and cease to exist at the moment you blow out your last breath here?

[Dutch]

The only reason that I take the insults that are ventilated here is that I do understand it's not just your problem only. It's my problem too and for everybody else

[Daylightstar]

...
Current scientific understanding includes extra dimensions in order to discribe our reality. ...
Current scientific understanding appears entirely seperate from the things your mind brings forth.

...
Do you really think you are just a biological coherence that has found his way to exist by chance and cease to exist at the moment you blow out your last breath here?
Could you point to any statement I made that you think allows you to ask that question?

[Daylightstar]

The only reason that I take the insults that are ventilated here is that I do understand it's not just your problem only. It's my problem too and for everybody else

I suppose it's too much to ask which are insults and why?

As far as 'the problem' is concerned, it's mostly or rather really only your problem.
It's just that you try to force your problem onto others.

Here's a tissue.

[Dutch]

Could you point to any statement I made that you think allows you to ask that question?

Is it not true than?

[Dutch]

I suppose it's too much to ask which are insults and why?



you just did

[Daylightstar]

Is it not true than?

Can you point to any such statement?

[Dutch]

I think you are unable to understand why?

[Daylightstar]

you just did

No, not yet.

[Dutch]

Yes, in certain people they show up clearly.


What does this implicate than?

[Daylightstar]

I think you are unable to understand why?
Hilites by Daylightstar

Why do you have to ask what you yourself think?

[Daylightstar]

What does this implicate than?

People like you, with irrational beliefs, which they try to force onto other people.
This is a dark side of the human mind expressed in your behavior.

The implication being that there is something not quite right with you.

[Dutch]

just answer the question or withold your efforts of ridicule

[Daylightstar]

The question? Which question? I answered (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8161654&postcount=5190) your question about the implications.

Is there another question you would like to have answered?

[Dutch]

So you intend to imply that what i am doing is 'dark' in itself?

[Dutch]

The question? Which question? I answered (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8161654&postcount=5190) your question about the implications.

Is there another question you would like to have answered?

sorry, not updated in time at my site

[Daylightstar]

So you intend to imply that what i am doing is 'dark' in itself?

Already explained here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8161654&postcount=5190).

[Dutch]

My last question was rhetorical

[Orphia Nay]

There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of chocolate.

:D

Ok, but it will lose a lot in the translation. Oog is Dutch for eye, oogst is the Dutch word for harvest, so the guy in his avatar is harvesting eyes.

Eww.

Right here and right now, immediately after receipt of your much appreciated [chocolate] donation which will strictly be used for research only.

Unless you'd prefer the "There will be no unifying theory, without the inclusion of bacon" research program. Then insert bacon between the square brackets.

Why do you assume bacon and chocolate to be incompatible? I propose a joint study of bacon/chocolate phenomena.

There can be no bacon/chocolate unifiying theory without beer.

[Orphia Nay]

Well Orphia my dear,

As with everything in HDDesign, I have chosen this avatar intuitively years ago, back in 2003 or so.

When I look at it, I look at the man. He's not creepy at all. He throws some eyes out, confrontating the observer.

HDDesign unveils the darker sides of human expressions of consciousness, because for some ( essential) reason these dark expressions seem to be less hidden. We can understand the connectedness of these dark expressions....if we choose to.

When you look in the eye it could be creepy perhaps, it depends on the observer. It doesn't feel that way to me though.

It's simply hideous, Dutch.

[Paul]

Current scientific understanding includes extra dimensions in order to discribe our reality.I don't suppose you'd like to elaborate on that?


Do you really think you are just a biological coherence that has found his way to exist by chance and cease to exist at the moment you blow out your last breath here?Pretty much, yes.

Care to explain your understanding of life?

[Paul]

There can be no bacon/chocolate unifiying theory without beer.I think we're getting somewhere, but I sense an early schism when we try to establish the accompaniment for bacon, the excuse for chocolate and the flavour of beer.

I suggest we break into regional groups and thoroughly test all variations for the next decade or so.

[Orphia Nay]

I think we're getting somewhere, but I sense an early schism when we try to establish the accompaniment for bacon, the excuse for chocolate and the flavour of beer.

I suggest we break into regional groups and thoroughly test all variations for the next decade or so.

:D I volunteer to be a test subject for all variations! :thumbsup:

[Daylightstar]

So you intend to imply that what i am doing is 'dark' in itself?Already explained here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8161654&postcount=5190).
Hilite by Daylightstar

dark = dark side of human mind.

Let me qualify this a bit more:

...
Actually, with HDDesign HDDelusion, as is plainly visible, it is negative energy (flagrant dishonesty) which is your driving force.

HDDelusion is ugly, very very ugly.
...
You do want to 'give' people something against their will. You are arrogantly trying to force it down people's throats.

[Daylightstar]

:D I volunteer to be a test subject for all variations! :thumbsup:

Which regional group would you prefer? I am getting a b and a r :D

[realpaladin]

Well Orphia my dear,

As with everything in HDDesign, I have chosen this avatar intuitively years ago, back in 2003 or so.

When I look at it, I look at the man. He's not creepy at all. He throws some eyes out, confrontating the observer.

HDDesign unveils the darker sides of human expressions of consciousness, because for some ( essential) reason these dark expressions seem to be less hidden. We can understand the connectedness of these dark expressions....if we choose to.

When you look in the eye it could be creepy perhaps, it depends on the observer. It doesn't feel that way to me though.

Since you joined this board in 2k7 I could do reverse image search and find out on what other boards you post... what would I find?

[Orphia Nay]

Which regional group would you prefer? I am getting a b and a r :D

I'm a netizen. All regions! Beer! :thumbsup:

[Daylightstar]

I'm a netizen. All regions! Beer! :thumbsup:

Hehehe thought so. Me too, you can never do too much such important research :D

[Orphia Nay]

Hehehe thought so. Me too, you can never do too much such important research :D

:alc:

[Dutch]

Since you joined this board in 2k7 I could do reverse image search and find out on what other boards you post... what would I find?

just take a look at the hddesign forum, they are listed.

All forums that ceased to exist are no longer there

[Daylightstar]

Since you joined this board in 2k7 I could do reverse image search and find out on what other boards you post... what would I find?

Mostly the same picture everywhere.
Somewhere a crop of his current image here and on forumgarden.com (http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/paranormal-science/31040-hyper-dimensional-design.html) an image of Einstein with his tongue hanging out.
On the profile site http://hddesign-dutch.hyves.nl/ the same as here and on yet another profile http://dutch-hddesign.hyves.nl/ on the same site, a graphic of two pyramids in a circle.
Both these profiles link to each other, links to real people do not feature high up on the list.

And of course you'll encounter several bannings.

[Daylightstar]

... He wrote a book which has been published in Dutch.. In the book he mentions our coincidental meeting as a supportive example of his theories.

Dutch, do you have a link to this book? Or what's the title of the book or name of the writer?

[realpaladin]

I read a full thread of 33 pages... that is something stronger than Ganja speaking there....

[DarbyII]

All forums that ceased to exist are no longer there

Uhhh...yuh think?

If a forum "ceased to exist" and I found it "there" then...

(pondering) I'm trying to follow the logic of the sentence here.

If it ceased to exist then it's not there but it is necessary to tell use that a non-existent forum is no longer there...

I think we call that a truism. And yet, somehow, it's a step up from verification bias. Bravo (I think).

[Daylightstar]

To be fair, I think it is reasonable to interpret "are no longer there" as the opposite of "they are listed" with respect to the alleged previous listing of 'no longer existing boards' where Dutch allegedly posted.

[DarbyII]

Day...

Current scientific understanding includes extra dimensions in order to discribe our reality.



True. But there's a world of difference between what you postulate and the current state of quantum physics.

Stringy theories postulate 10, 11 and 26 dimension permutations that are consistent with the Standard Model. The Standard Model is accepted as being correct, at least to a very good approximation, and the string theories attempt to fill in the 19 free parameter "blanks" in the theory. What those theories don't attempt to do is introduce pure unsupported speculation that is absolutely inconsistent with the Standard Model.

The spurious comparison you make between multi-dimsional quantum physics (4D+nD physics) and your self named HDD fantasy is just that - fantasy. Please stop comparing your unsubstantiated speculation with real science unless you include verifiable evidence that you're even on the right planet let alone the right track.

Dutch, it's OK to have an opinion. What's not OK is to whine that "the only reason" you put up with the criticism is...[fill in the blank].

You chose to post on JREF. You knew going in what JREF is all about. You knew or reasonably should have known that you would face criticism and skepticism. In fact, you actually did know all of that. Yet you went ahead anyway. Why? Martyr Complex. You're a fanatic. HDD is your religion. Live with it and stop whining. Moreover, get over yourself. Everyone else on every site that you've ever posted on has. The problem is that if you were really all that cock sure of HDD you would not spend hour upon hour day in and day out trying to prove the unprovable to everyone and anyone who you can get to listen. And God help your family if the online "Dutch" is anything like the IRL "Dutch". Please tell us that in real life you don't walk around at home, work and at a party proselytising "Hyper-Dimensional Design". Your kids would be mortified over their weird dad.

[Dutch]

Darby:

True. But there's a world of difference between what you postulate and the current state of quantum physics.

Stringy theories postulate 10, 11 and 26 dimension permutations that are consistent with the Standard Model. The Standard Model is accepted as being correct, at least to a very good approximation, and the string theories attempt to fill in the 19 free parameter "blanks" in the theory. What those theories don't attempt to do is introduce pure unsupported speculation that is absolutely inconsistent with the Standard Model.

So, are you ruling out consciousness or not?

[Dutch]

Darby again:

The spurious comparison you make between multi-dimsional quantum physics (4D+nD physics) and your self named HDD fantasy is just that - fantasy. Please stop comparing your unsubstantiated speculation with real science unless you include verifiable evidence that you're even on the right planet let alone the right track.

Dutch, it's OK to have an opinion. What's not OK is to whine that "the only reason" you put up with the criticism is...[fill in the blank].


I'm not comparing at all, I'm just pinpointing at the implications our current scientific understanding might have on other dimensional realms and consciousness as such.

I honestly don't think it is OK for YOU that I have a different point of view on this matter.

[Dutch]

Darby:
You chose to post on JREF. You knew going in what JREF is all about. You knew or reasonably should have known that you would face criticism and skepticism. In fact, you actually did know all of that. Yet you went ahead anyway.

I have no problem with critisism and skepticism, I think it's a good thing.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

It would have been nice though, if critisism or skepticism is based on valid arguments. You yourselves came up with a supposed strong argument that would have undermined the HD Platonic Solid based theory, but it appeared that you were just wrong.

You persisted because your invalid theory was accepted here anyway.

I mean, what are we talking about here? It's just ridiculous....

[Dutch]

Darby:

Why? Martyr Complex. You're a fanatic. HDD is your religion. Live with it and stop whining. Moreover, get over yourself. Everyone else on every site that you've ever posted on has.

Who's whining? come up with valid arguments instead.

Yes I know these guys who think they can speak for lot's of others without respecting their opinion. You are beginning to show face now

[dafydd]

I mean, what are we talking about here? It's just ridiculous....

Agreed. HDD is ridiculous.

[Dutch]

Darby:

The problem is that if you were really all that cock sure of HDD you would not spend hour upon hour day in and day out trying to prove the unprovable to everyone and anyone who you can get to listen.


Yes you are right.

I nearly spend time on trying to prove the unprovable, only a few posts here on my spare time.

[Dutch]

Darby:
And God help your family if the online "Dutch" is anything like the IRL "Dutch". Please tell us that in real life you don't walk around at home, work and at a party proselytising "Hyper-Dimensional Design". Your kids would be mortified over their weird dad.

Well, I have to say this is more subtle than another poster in this thread who suggested that I shouldn't have kids at all, but...it's on the edge and you have chosen your words carefully.

Not to be proud of though

If you would know me in real life, you would be ashamed.

[dafydd]

Darby:


Well, I have to say this is more subtle than another poster in this thread who suggested that I shouldn't have kids at all, but...it's on the edge and you have chosen your words carefully.

Not to be proud of though

If you would know me in real life, you would be ashamed.

It all depends upon whether you are bringing your kids up to believe this HDD fantasy.

[Dutch]

It all depends upon whether you are bringing your kids up to believe this HDD fantasy.

Are you nuts?

[Dutch]

That you even think so....

[dafydd]

I am very relieved to hear it. HDD will disappear when you pop your clogs.

[dafydd]

Are you nuts?

No comment.

[Dutch]

when you pop your clogs.

I'm sorry, my understanding of the English language is insufficient for this one. What does it mean?

[dafydd]

.

I'm sorry, my understanding of the English language is insufficient for this one. What does it mean?

I don't wish you any harm but it means when you die.

[Daylightstar]

...
Aside from that, Dutch, could you explain the significance of your avatar? It's possibly the creepiest avatar I've ever seen, and I thought that before I ever read anything you'd written. ...

Just for fun, this (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://uromantika.net/Roventa/1/r1002.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uromantika.net/index_roventa.html&h=1116&w=740&sz=68&tbnid=o6gP8DKNbvvxLM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=62&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=&docid=INMh89yUqF906M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y19_T6_UCMmcOtqe0e0G&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBQ&dur=1590) is the source; Rowena Morril.

[Daylightstar]

... He wrote a book which has been published in Dutch.. In the book he mentions our coincidental meeting as a supportive example of his theories.Dutch, do you have a link to this book? Or what's the title of the book or name of the writer?


How about the book Dutch? Does it even exist?

[Dutch]

I don't wish you any harm but it means when you die.

Oke

[Daylightstar]

... Please tell us that in real life you don't walk around at home, work and at a party proselytising "Hyper-Dimensional Design". Your kids would be mortified over their weird dad.
Hilite by Daylightstar

It appears at least not an unknown factor at his work:
... my collegue saying "between the moon and Mars", ... a paper waiting on my desk for months...

Ah yes, the story from your 'incredible' 'update' in which you wrote:

"My colleague was on the phone with someone and he was obviously talking about another guy when he said that he thought the guy was a little bit ‘lost’, that it looked as if this guy was not here with his mind, but somewhere between the Moon and Mars." ...
Hilite by Daylightstar

[Dutch]

Just for fun, this (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://uromantika.net/Roventa/1/r1002.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uromantika.net/index_roventa.html&h=1116&w=740&sz=68&tbnid=o6gP8DKNbvvxLM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=62&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=&docid=INMh89yUqF906M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y19_T6_UCMmcOtqe0e0G&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBQ&dur=1590) is the source; Rowena Morril.

Ha, as always you know the original source right?

Could be, who knows, you cares

[Dutch]

How about the book Dutch? Does it even exist?

Yes, do you want the IBAN? I have bought it years ago, it's in my librabry upstairs

[Dutch]

Day? could you please be specific, I don't understand what you mean

[Daylightstar]

Yes, do you want the IBAN? I have bought it years ago, it's in my librabry upstairs

No, I don't want an International Bank Account Number, nor did I ask for an IBAN.

An ISBN might be helpful, or a link or a title or the author's name, please.
Dutch, do you have a link to this book? Or what's the title of the book or name of the writer?

[dafydd]

Yes, do you want the IBAN? I have bought it years ago, it's in my librabry upstairs

The title of the book and the author will suffice.

[Daylightstar]

Day? ...
Perhaps, or not.

... could you please be specific, I don't understand what you mean

Well then, please, be specific with regards to what you don't understand.

[Daylightstar]

Yes, do you want the IBAN? I have bought it years ago, it's in my librabry upstairs

Or is it like this?
Yes, the posts in which it has been explained. Do you want me to provide it to you?
Its there already, want it?
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6802560&postcount=4071

[Dutch]

No, I don't want an International Bank Account Number, nor did I ask for an IBAN.

An ISBN might be helpful, or a link or a title or the author's name, please.

I'm sorry, I was mistaken ( I'm a financial manager you know).

It's not IBAN but ISBN ofcourse.

ISBN 90-9013315-1

Title: B.U.M. ( Bekijk UT Maar in dutch, which means as much as "look at it like 'UT' which stands for Unifying Theory. Writer is Hub van Sonsbeek, living in Geleen The Netherlands

[Dutch]

I'm sorry, I was mistaken ( I'm a financial manager you know).

It's not IBAN but ISBN ofcourse.

ISBN 90-9013315-1

Title: B.U.M. ( Bekijk UT Maar in dutch, which means as much as "look at it like 'UT' which stands for Unifying Theory. Writer is Hub van Sonsbeek, living in Geleen The Netherlands

It's about a different approach on the universe and physics as commonly accepted, with an inclusion of consciousness that fits his theories

[dafydd]

I'm sorry, I was mistaken ( I'm a financial manager you know).

It's not IBAN but ISBN ofcourse.

ISBN 90-9013315-1

Title: B.U.M. ( Bekijk UT Maar in dutch, which means as much as "look at it like 'UT' which stands for Unifying Theory. Writer is Hub van Sonsbeek, living in Geleen The Netherlands

Found it online. This guy believes that the GV (gravity field) is built out of tiny pyramids. I'm reading it now, it is total nonsense, a prime example of wacky pseudoscience. If anybody can read Dutch, here is the link.
http://tinyurl.com/d6fadmb

[dafydd]

It's about a different approach on the universe and physics as commonly accepted, with an inclusion of consciousness that fits his theories

It's a work of fiction. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I will add it to my collection of hogwash scientific literature.

[dafydd]

It's hilarious, Hub Van Sonsbeek has just informed me that 'The subtle body has no fixed form'', an arresting thing to read in a book about physics. I will translate some more gems if the forum wishes.

[Dutch]

Found it online. This guy believes that the GV (gravity field) is built out of tiny pyramids. I'm reading it now, it is total nonsense, a prime example of wacky pseudoscience. If anybody can read Dutch, here is the link.
http://tinyurl.com/d6fadmb

in a few minutes you are able to dismiss it as contradictory to string science?

read the book

[Dutch]

It's hilarious, Hub Van Sonsbeek has just informed me that 'The subtle body has no fixed form'', an arresting thing to read in a book about physics. I will translate some more gems if the forum wishes.

yes you do that, you are a oneliner in everything

[Daylightstar]

I'm sorry, I was mistaken ( I'm a financial manager you know).

It's not IBAN but ISBN ofcourse.

ISBN 90-9013315-1

Title: B.U.M. ( Bekijk UT Maar in dutch, which means as much as "look at it like 'UT' which stands for Unifying Theory. Writer is Hub van Sonsbeek, living in Geleen The Netherlands

Excellent, thank you.
Here (http://media.wix.com/ugd/d14490_23874900bfc0b0316640d020a41fd8de.pdf?) is a pdf with 105 pages and appears to not contain the full book.

The word Utrecht does not appear in any of those pages.

[dafydd]

yes you do that, you are a oneliner in everything

The subtle body? Gravity consists of tiny pyramids? I just skimmed it for those bloopers but I will read it all.

[dafydd]

''The subtle body support and guides us from inside the fourth dimension'' You take this stuff seriously?

[dafydd]

Now he's said that soul weighs 21 grams.