Hyper Dimensional Design

[Daylightstar]

Our classical way of thinking ... -end/[/URL]

Unfortunately, no.

[Daylightstar]

It's simple, if you guys don't really investigate the material and how and when it comes to live, than a discussion about it here makes no sense at all.

Since you fail to provide an incentive (an incentive would compensate for the apparent unsubstantiated belief your hobby is based on), why don't we then end this unilateral discussion.

All you appear to be interested in is posting your walls o'texts, which are so important to you but wich you fail to make meaningful (incentive) for anyone else at all. 1 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8119895&postcount=5135)

Followed by:

Please, uncritically accept and talk about my 'intuitions' as if they are real. 1 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8119895&postcount=5135) 2 (http://67.228.115.45/showpost.php?p=8198820&postcount=5377)

[Paul]

It's simple, if you guys don't really investigate the material and how and when it comes to live, than a discussion about it here makes no sense at all.But that's just another lie isn't it?

When you have been confronted directly about specific points concerning your material you refuse to engage properly or to accept that you are wrong.

A reasonable but far from comprehensive list includes: complete inability to properly assess any data concerning Srebrenica; stubborn and deliberate confusion of Enki and Encke; using the most tenuous of links with real tragedy to push HDD; using myth as a basis for hits; using factually inaccurate information for same and refusing to acknowledge said inaccuracy; constant reference to vague, baseless, nuclear scaremongering; complete refusal to even attempt to address a list of dates that should already have been on one of your important timelines.

[Orphia Nay]

It's simple, if you guys don't really investigate the material and how and when it comes to live, than a discussion about it here makes no sense at all.

How it comes to you is of little importance if the substance of what comes to you is retrofitted news cherrypicking.

What conclusions does HDD have? Name the best one.

[Dutch]

August 4 and 14

I can't crosspost the details here but you know where to find

[dafydd]

August 4 and 14

I can't crosspost the details here but you know where to find

Pass the Dutchie.

[The Man]

September 3rd and 13th.

I could post the details as to why I picked those two dates just as Dutch could certainly post the reasons he picked the two above but simply choose not to and uses this as an attempt to increase hits on his website. Stop spamming this thread Dutch if you have something relevant to discuss here about you dimensional hype then do so here. Thinking your going to entice people to go to your wedsite demonstrates you have nothing relevant to discuss here.

Just what makes you think anyone can find anything in that stream of consciousness mess that is your website?

So not only do you know that you can "crosspost the details here" you know that only you are going to "know where to find" them in your mess of a website.

Please stop lying Dutch and do try harder.

[Orphia Nay]

August 4 and 14

I can't crosspost the details here but you know where to find

Is that because you have some delusion that you're not allowed to post links to your own posts?

Or because you know that a link leads to a long thread with links to long threads, etc, and all threads contain incredulity over other dates that lead to other dates, threads and links, and that none of it adds up to any fact whatsoever other than you're obsessed with random patterns?

Or both?

[Wolrab]

Well, today is the day. I guess we have to wait for dutch to watch headline news to intuit some findings.:rolleyes:


ETA: What century are these supposed to happen?

[dafydd]

Well, today is the day. I guess we have to wait for dutch to watch headline news to intuit some findings.:rolleyes:


ETA: What century are these supposed to happen?

It would be more impressive if he could accurately predict the headline news. But HDD doesn't do that, does it? I have no idea what it does.

[Dutch]

If you want to talk, I mean serious talk, you have to read:


Note that Venus Transit midpoint was a Phipoint aswell:
Venus Transit midpoint is Phi point between July 7 London Bombings and March 29, 2010 Moscow metro bombings
Also note the detonation of a 'Nazi' bomb in London during Venus Transit midpoint:
World War II bomb to be exploded
the largest unexploded World War II bomb to be found in central London for 30 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7439249.stm
OMG!
A reader on another forum just responded, from the given link above:
An unexploded World War II bomb that forced the closure of transport links in east London has been detonated.
The 1,000kg (2,200lb) device, found near Bromley-by-Bow Tube station, was picked up by a digger clearing a site being prepared for the 2012 Olympics.
With this....it is already 'metaphorical' .......I hope


It's a waste to try to discuss with you on an acceptable level, because it's not going to happen. Some of you are way too rigid, don't seem to be able to understand what this is really about.

I know what kind of responses to expect here after this post, but be careful and take your time to comprehend first. You will do yourself a favour...and mankind

[Sideroxylon]

A tired appeal to esoterica.

[dafydd]

Some of you are way too rigid, don't seem to be able to understand what this is really about.


That is because it is about nothing.

[Daylightstar]

... discuss with you on an acceptable level, ...

Translation:
...
Please, uncritically accept and talk about my 'intuitions' as if they are real. 1 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8119895&postcount=5135) 2 (http://67.228.115.45/showpost.php?p=8198820&postcount=5377)


... you are way too rigid,...
No, you fail to provide an incentive, see here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8399266&postcount=5500).

... don't seem to be able to understand what this is really about.
...
But we do understand what this is really about, you have an irrational belief which you try to force onto other people (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8161631&postcount=5182).

... take your time to comprehend first. You will do yourself a favour...and mankind
As stated above, we already understand what this is really about, we use you to show mankind the meaning of the word "irrational" (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8380912&postcount=5442) and the darkness of the human mind expressed in silly irrational beliefs and accompanying (antisocial) behavior. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8161654&postcount=5190)

[Dutch]

Day.....there's not much hope for mankind if our destiny depends on your kind of social behavior

[Daylightstar]

Day.....there's not much hope for mankind if our destiny depends on your kind of social behavior

Ehm, just a quick note, your post makes no sense.

[dafydd]

Day.....there's not much hope for mankind if our destiny depends on your kind of social behavior

What is that supposed to mean? You know nothing about our social behaviour so stop pretending that you do. Got any HDD predictions for us or you going to continue rehashing old news?

[The Man]

If you want to talk, I mean serious talk, you have to read:
If you want to talk, I mean serious talk, you have to explain.


Note that Venus Transit midpoint was a Phipoint aswell:
Venus Transit midpoint is Phi point between July 7 London Bombings and March 29, 2010 Moscow metro bombings
Also note the detonation of a 'Nazi' bomb in London during Venus Transit midpoint:
World War II bomb to be exploded
the largest unexploded World War II bomb to be found in central London for 30 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7439249.stm
OMG!
A reader on another forum just responded, from the given link above:
An unexploded World War II bomb that forced the closure of transport links in east London has been detonated.
The 1,000kg (2,200lb) device, found near Bromley-by-Bow Tube station, was picked up by a digger clearing a site being prepared for the 2012 Olympics.
With this....it is already 'metaphorical' .......I hope


It's a waste to try to discuss with you on an acceptable level, because it's not going to happen. Some of you are way too rigid, don't seem to be able to understand what this is really about.

I know what kind of responses to expect here after this post, but be careful and take your time to comprehend first. You will do yourself a favour...and mankind

What exactly does this have to do with your assertions of…
August 4 and 14?
How did you determine those two dates and what do you expect to happen on either, where, and in what year?
How did you determine the “Venus Transit midpoint” and what was that date?
How did you determine the ” Phi point between July 7 London Bombings and March 29, 2010 Moscow metro bombings” and what was that date?
Is June 6th 2008 the date your using for “the detonation of a 'Nazi' bomb in London during Venus Transit midpoint:”?

We know the level of explanation and participation to expect from you after your years of posting here but be careful and thorough, take your time to comprehend first what it is you are trying to explain. You will do, at least, yourself a favor.

[Wolrab]

It is the 14th! Be prepared to be underwhelmed,,,

[Orphia Nay]

It is the 14th! Be prepared to be underwhelmed,,,

Yay! It's nearly bedtime. I could use a sleep aid.

[dafydd]

Let's just wait till Dutch reads the news tomorrow, then the prediction will be made.

[Wolrab]

It's tomorrow....

[dafydd]

I wonder which bit of the news he will predict.

[Orphia Nay]

Are we guessing? He'll claim the Mars Curiosity rover for the 4th, even though it landed on the 6th here. :)

[Daylightstar]

Perhaps 'stuff' wasn't 'in the face (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8384526&postcount=5448)' enough.

Or perhaps not

Confrontating
enough.

Or in other words, a complete dud (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7930552&postcount=4672), again.

[Daylightstar]

It's tomorrow....
Noooo, that can't be.
Today is stil today, tomorrow is only coming tomorrow

Unless you're Dutch the psychic:
... indeed it is a psychic exercise.
...
Then today is yesterday (or earlier with +/- three days (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8056201&postcount=4840)) and today is for posting old news, and yesterday is tomorrow for making half baked postdictions with +/- three days (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8056201&postcount=4840) leeway.

Not sure if the above makes sense, maybe I should edit this post 173 times, like Dutch (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6524518&postcount=3565).

[The Man]

Are we guessing? He'll claim the Mars Curiosity rover for the 4th, even though it landed on the 6th here. :)

Ah, but what day was it on Mars, the 234.456th of Phlatuary?


Well two (non-Martian) days hence now from the given date and the purported "'in the face' findings" are most definitively still out of our faces. Perhaps he just needs more time to find his "'in the face' findings"?

[Wolrab]

How many August 14's before time ends?

Newspaper strike in the Netherlands?

Cancellation of cable TV news for non-payment?

Phi (or any fraction or multiple thereof) X pi (or any fraction or multiple thereof) may not be the best way to connect events?

I, for one, am shocked!

[Daylightstar]

Clearly, there are things more powerful than HDDelusion's compulsion to post stale news to it's widest extent and in as many places as possible.

[Dutch]

Focus is on the ongoing HDDesign 'research'.

I have no time to play with you guys here....

It's in the face:


Space legend Neil Armstrong dies
Coinciding with the 'fall' of Lance Armstrong....a strong indication something essential is going on here.....
I thought the Golden Mean would have to say something about this.....
Neil Armstrong was the first human being that stood on the surface of another element of our solarsystem, on July 21, 1969.
With this first step on the Moon as Phi point and Neil Armstrongs death on August 25, 2012, gives the startdate December 2, 1942.
On December 2, 1942
Manhattan Project: Below the bleachers of Stagg Field at the University of Chicago, a team led by Enrico Fermi initiates the first self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction (a coded message, "The Italian navigator has landed in the new world" is then sent to U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt).
Here we have the 2 major underlying themes in this HDDesign 'research'.
It's in the face....
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!


I refer to the timeline Q3 for the details

[Paul]

Focus is on the ongoing HDDesign 'research'.Lots of news to retrofit eh?


I have no time to play with you guys here....At least you admit you're playing.


It's in the face:It's stupid, desperate and entirely unconnected.


I refer to the timeline Q3 for the detailsTry referring to reality instead.

[Daylightstar]

The predicton:
August 4 and 14
...


We get this gibberish (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8567431&postcount=5530)?:

Focus is on the ongoing HDDesign 'research'.
...
There is no 'research', nor is there any research.

...
I have no time to play with you guys here....
...
And yet, here you are, playing.

...
It's in the face:
...
You'd have to be truly cognitively impaired to call this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8567431&postcount=5530) "in the face".

Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!
Yeah yeah yeah, or else Yellowstone will blow, or something related to Hariri will happen, or both. Who knows, see here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6653161&postcount=3851).
...
In your 'update' you did not state that it depends on the 'Hariri issue', you stated:

"As I have said before, the eruption of Yellowstone is potentially there, but she doesn’t have to blow with full force. Like I said it depends on how we will deal with the given warnings, “stay out of space / remain Earthbound and don’t mess with nuclear power”....
As a psychic (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8056106&postcount=4833), you supposedly would have to cover several bases.

...
I refer to the timeline Q3 for the details
As usual, I suspect those 'details' are not actually there.

So, the whole 'August 4 and 14' thing (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=8508857#post8508857) proved to be a complete dud (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8541592&postcount=5525), again. As usual.

[dafydd]

Old news again, Dutch. less than impressive. If you accurately predicted the date of Armstrong's death, that would have been impressive.

[Daylightstar]

...
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound ...
And how about an association with an astronaut (you know, in a space suit), is that allowed?
Or would that send the wrong message with respect to one of your claimed 'major underlying themes' that human consciousness should remain Earthbound?

Hmmm?

[dafydd]

And how about an association with an astronaut (you know, in a space suit), is that allowed?
Or would that send the wrong message with respect to one of your claimed 'major underlying themes' that human consciousness should remain Earthbound?

Hmmm?

Why? We live in the universe.

[Daylightstar]

Testing for consistency. Yes, I know :D

[The Man]

Focus is on the ongoing HDDesign 'research'.

I have no time to play with you guys here....

It's in the face:



<snip>...
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!

I refer to the timeline Q3 for the details

By all means please Dutch do stay out of space (I doubt you are properly dressed) and certainly don't mess with nuclear power (heck, you probably shouldn't even mess with electrical power). Has it ever occurred to you, Dutch, that your HDD entities just want you to stay out of space and not mess with nuclear power? Meanwhile we remain in space and with nuclear power in space, in your hyper-dimensional faces you HDD entity wimps!!!

[dafydd]

We can whup those HDD wimps with one hand tied behind our backs.

[Wolrab]

I might have to dust off Plastic DD and show Dutch how to do it...again.

[Orphia Nay]

Focus is on the ongoing HDDesign 'research'.

I have no time to play with you guys here....

It's in the face:

Space legend Neil Armstrong dies
Coinciding with the 'fall' of Lance Armstrong....a strong indication something essential is going on here.....
I thought the Golden Mean would have to say something about this.....
Neil Armstrong was the first human being that stood on the surface of another element of our solarsystem, on July 21, 1969.
With this first step on the Moon as Phi point and Neil Armstrongs death on August 25, 2012, gives the startdate December 2, 1942.
On December 2, 1942
Manhattan Project: Below the bleachers of Stagg Field at the University of Chicago, a team led by Enrico Fermi initiates the first self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction (a coded message, "The Italian navigator has landed in the new world" is then sent to U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt).
Here we have the 2 major underlying themes in this HDDesign 'research'.
It's in the face....
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!

I refer to the timeline Q3 for the details

I thought Phi was supposed to beautiful, magical, Ascension-inducing.

What's beautiful about this dirty, fearful bit of cherry-picking?

Phi would never say this about our world.

Sad, Dutch. Very sad.

[sts60]

Hello, Dutch. I thought I'd check back on this thread just for old times' sake.
Focus is on the ongoing HDDesign 'research'.
It's good that you put "research" in quotes. It's been years now since I demonstrated how:
- rounding errors in your reckoning made your claimed durations incorrect
- your hypergibble was unable to distinguish meaningful from non-meaningful events
- your astronomical references had no physical meaning
- your reliance on newspaper byline dates meant that your claimed events had no meaning
- your claimed margins of error were arbitrary and meaningless
- etc., etc.
Quote:
Space legend Neil Armstrong dies
Coinciding with the 'fall' of Lance Armstrong....a strong indication something essential is going on here.....
Shame on you, for latching on to the death of a great man for touting your astronumerological twaddle. It's nothing you predicted. You just seized on an event and shoehorned it into your personal belief system, then pretended it somehow validated your beliefs. It didn't.
I thought the Golden Mean would have to say something about this.....
Neil Armstrong was the first human being that stood on the surface of another element of our solarsystem, on July 21, 1969.
With this first step on the Moon as Phi point and Neil Armstrongs death on August 25, 2012, gives the startdate December 2, 1942.
No, it doesn't. Don't you remember that your rounding errors mean your calculations are completely wrong over such intervals? You can't even do the simple math correctly.
It's in the face....
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!
You are delusional. You still tout this "space/nuclear" thing, even though I pointed out that the combination of the two was extremely successful - every nuclear space system launched by the U.S. has functioned exactly as designed - dozens of generators and hundreds of heater units. When I rubbed your nose in this fact, you desperately tried to re-define the word "successful".

Well, here we are again: space exploration and nuclear power combined - a terrific success. Curiousity landed safely on Mars, and powered by its nuclear generator, is off to a tremendously successful start. Its landing was watched and cheered by crowds gathered at NASA centers, universities, and public spaces like Times Square. I worked on that power system, Dutch, and I am rather proud of that, and I would laugh at your delusional attempts to deny the success and value of such missions, if I didn't feel sorry for you instead.

But, Dutch, you don't have to keep investing yourself in such nonsense. You don't have to obsessively shoehorn after-the-fact headlines into your self-inconsistent "system" to try to pretend it somehow makes useful predictions. You don't have to deny the obvious, such as a decades-long record of flawless performance, and tell us howlers like "it's in the face" that this somehow does not represent success.

In short, you can free yourself from this obsession, realize you made a mistake, and stop wasting time on it. I guarantee everyone here would applaud you for it - it takes a big man to admit he was wrong after such a heavy emotional investment in nonsense. Your choice, Dutch.

[sts60]

It's in the face:
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!

Speaking of "in the face": see attached.

With all due respect and [reduced] gravity, sir, pthfffbbbt!

[Daylightstar]

This:
...
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!
...
doesn't accomplish anything. Clearly (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8570306&postcount=5542), nuclear power in space accomplishes great things!!!!
So:
Stay out of space, human consciousness should remain Earthbound and don't mess with nuclear power!!!!

[Dutch]

Old news again, Dutch. less than impressive. If you accurately predicted the date of Armstrong's death, that would have been impressive.

I do not predict events, how many times do I have to say that?

Question to you: Have you been following the HDDesign material for an extended period of time, now or in the past?

[Dutch]

And how about an association with an astronaut (you know, in a space suit), is that allowed?
Or would that send the wrong message with respect to one of your claimed 'major underlying themes' that human consciousness should remain Earthbound?

Hmmm?

Its just as simple as it is: our individual and collective consciousness is Earthbound and should stay that way. We have to go through our spiritual development here in our reality. You don't have to go to another planet in order to explore....you will die soon enough to have that opportunity.

When that time comes, I hope for you that you will find yourselves awake
in an environment that have brought you ahead in your own spiritual development. Most probably it wouldn't and you might even know it

[dafydd]

Its just as simple as it is: our individual and collective consciousness is Earthbound and should stay that way. We have to go through our spiritual development here in our reality. You don't have to go to another planet in order to explore....you will die soon enough to have that opportunity.

When that time comes, I hope for you that you will find yourselves awake
in an environment that have brought you ahead in your own spiritual development. Most probably it wouldn't and you might even know it

When we die we go to another planet? No.

[Dutch]

By all means please Dutch do stay out of space (I doubt you are properly dressed) and certainly don't mess with nuclear power (heck, you probably shouldn't even mess with electrical power). Has it ever occurred to you, Dutch, that your HDD entities just want you to stay out of space and not mess with nuclear power? Meanwhile we remain in space and with nuclear power in space, in your hyper-dimensional faces you HDD entity wimps!!!

In all your wishdom wiseguy, how sure can you be that if we mess with nuclear power, it wouldn't have any effect on other dimensional expressions of consciousness?

Right!! ... you will say..... It doesn't exist !

But...

You do exist!......ever had a dead thought about your own existence if I may ask?

Have you ever thought about the possibility how ridiculous your own existence might look into the eyes of other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms? especially when they understand what you make of it given the oppotunities that are available..

and you take it for grated and put yourself on top of it.

BRAVO

waiste of possibilities......you are responsible, just like me and everybody else

[Dutch]

We can whup those HDD wimps with one hand tied behind our backs.

Sure, given the fact that you haven't investigated the material during the last 6 years, I would nevertheless appreciate it if you would do so.

At least 1 hand removed from your eyes I would say. It's a start.

[Dutch]

I thought Phi was supposed to beautiful, magical, Ascension-inducing.

What's beautiful about this dirty, fearful bit of cherry-picking?

Phi would never say this about our world.

Sad, Dutch. Very sad.

Now you show face Orphia.

I have repeatedly and often stated that it is especially our dark side of consciousness that bare thi fingerprints of this hidden underlying design, only to enable us to increase our knowledge about our own failures.

there's nothing beautiful it it, nor is it in your own denial

[Dutch]

I thought I'd check back on this thread just for old times' sake.

Yes I can see that. You should have done your homework instead.

You aren't dealing with an easy issue here. It takes alot to comprehend.
Without seriously following it for an extended period of time you don't know what you are talking about, so....

your responsibility

But when you talk you have to make sure what you are talking about.

[Dutch]

When we die we go to another planet? No.


No Indeed


But I don't think that you are open to a multi-dimensional concept of expression ofconsciousness yet.

You will eventually.........but than you've wasted your opportunities...because you're dead.

Ever thought about your own existence?

Only slightly perhaps?

Get rid of your rigid perspective of reality, the hidden intelligent correlations are yelling at you if only you would be willing to see it...

wake up my friend and make use of the opportunities that are given to you

[Dutch]

BTW...Don't forget to read my remarks on the predetermined timeframe around September 18 on the timeline ( awakening in optima forma )

[The Man]

In all your wishdom wiseguy, how sure can you be that if we mess with nuclear power, it wouldn't have any effect on other dimensional expressions of consciousness?
Heck I’m not even sure that if we “mess with nuclear power” we won’t create giant mutants ants and we know ants exist.
twyFJbnGNX4

Right!! ... you will say..... It doesn't exist !
No, I would say that there is no evidence for “other dimensional expressions of consciousness” and if nuclear power is a problem for them they are already in serious trouble because every star is nuclear powered.

What makes you think your “other dimensional expressions of consciousness” don’t feed off of and need our use of “nuclear power”?

You have already been shown before that the same events you link can be interpreted any number of ways, even in ways directly opposing your preferred interpretation.

But...
“But…” What?

You do exist!......ever had a dead thought about your own existence if I may ask?
“dead thought”? You’re going to have to be more clear about what constitutes a “dead thought about your own existence”.

Have you ever thought about the possibility how ridiculous your own existence might look into the eyes of other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms? especially when they understand what you make of it given the oppotunities that are available..
No, but I’ve certainly thought about how ridiculous my existence looks even just to me understanding the opportunities that were available to me. I also understand how far more ridiculous my existence could have been given some of those opportunities that were available to me. I’ve also thought about just how ridiculous it is to waste time thinking about how some imaginary “other expressions of consciousness” might think. Have you?

and you take it for grated and put yourself on top of it.

BRAVO


Nope, you have simply tried to place yourself in a position to say where I put myself and have patently failed.

CONGRATULATIONS

Not only have you tried to put yourself in a position to say where I put myself you also have tried to put yourself in a position to say what your “other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms” think, want and need. It is only you that “take it for grated and put yourself on top of it”.

Please try harder Dutch


waiste of possibilities......you are responsible, just like me and everybody else

Horse hokey, your whole approach is that you simply don’t want to take responsibility for your own inclinations and try to pawn them off to some imaginary “other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms”. Stop wasting your possibilities Dutch, take responsibility for your own inclinations and please do try harder.

[Dutch]

Unfortunately man, you don't make the difference, nor do I I'm affraid

[Dutch]

at least I try

[dafydd]

No Indeed

You changed your mind.
But I don't think that you are open to a multi-dimensional concept of expression ofconsciousness yet.

Some proof would be welcome

You will eventually.........but than you've wasted your opportunities...because you're dead.

No, I'm very much alive.

[Dutch]

http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeoF FPc31s9c&ei=cd1eUOr5O6nO0QWFzYGQDg&usg=AFQjCNEcjpwHTosZBIdOrNe7SII7byHQ3A&sig2=5XkV8R8vElRwV_yalC9fHw

[The Man]

BTW...Don't forget to read my remarks on the predetermined timeframe around September 18 on the timeline ( awakening in optima forma )
So still nothing on…
August 4 and 14

I can't crosspost the details here but you know where to find

What a shame sham.

[Dutch]

You changed your mind.


I never said that we will go to another planet when we die, these are his words. I said that we will find ourselves awake in another dimensional state of consciousness when we die, as we were before we were born here.

So I don't know what makes you think I changed my mind, seems like an error in your perception.

[The Man]

Unfortunately man, you don't make the difference, nor do I I'm affraid


Please try harder Dutch.

[Dutch]

Some proof would be welcome


be patient my friend, you will find out sooner or later. Just makes sure it wouldn't happen too late. that is when you are dead.

If you could get real proof, you wouldn't have been born here in the first place. Take your own responsibility

[Dutch]

So still nothing on…


.
so you have no right to talk

[The Man]

so you have no right to talk

Your ability (or lack thereof) to demonstrate here the claim you made here has no dependence or influence upon my rights or the lack thereof.

If you have nothing to support your claim of the significance of those dates you can just say so.

[Dutch]

Please try harder Dutch.

i do my best, I give everything I have. Maybe you should do the same


Do you know why I am here? because the biggest progress can be made through to most rigid mindsets that aren't occupied in daily survival, people who don't have to struggle to feed their kids everyday, people who don't wake up to get their arms every day to participate in another silly war.

You have all the opportunities to be a free thinker, but what I experience from you is just a selfish rigid point of view of reality as if you don't care less.

What are you expecting from life? Are you happy with scientific findings?

is it enough for you to feel happy for your own?

You are just living your life in comfort aren't you? be honest

Some people have pointed out to me that HDDesign has no vision, but that was a choice I made years ago. I know that it is important that people come to the knowledge themselves and I have let the material do the working.
Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way so I have decided to seek direct confrontation.

I'm not done with you yet and I'm sure some of you aren't done with me either, but we will go to a more enlightened comprehesion of reality one way or the other.
that will happen, if you like it or not

[Daylightstar]

I do not predict events, how many times do I have to say that?
...
All highlites in this post by Daylightstar

Actually:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5130040&postcount=2152
from this new thread calles "experimental prediction".
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=8881&mforum=hddesign#8881
I have logged a prediction at 19 Sep 2009 10:16 pm GMT as a private message to myself.
this was the prediction:
From: Dutch
To: Dutch
Posted: 19 Sep 2009 10:16 pm
Subject: prediction 1
...
Chatlog from Friday September 19, just prior to the prediction posted:
Marcel=Dutch
(10:05:56 PM) Marcel: it wouldn't amaze me if an israeli raid would strike nuclearfacilities in a few days, just wanted to have it said
(10:06:25 PM) Henrik: OK, is it timecodes related to the Lebanon war?...
The page you refer to is actually called:
experimental prediction 1

Repeated the next day with:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5135074&postcount=2175
edit September 23:
September 19-23 , 2009 - On the evening of September 19 I logged this prediction: ...

Another reference by you to you doing predictions:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2628193&postcount=171
...
BTW the prediction that would have bitten the dust according to this thread, was materialized with Jeltsin's exit on the anticipated date.
...

Ofcourse you claim (weaseling out of doing predictions) not to do 'exact predictions':
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6508634&postcount=3553
... HDDesign is not about exact predictions, ...

Oh no, they are 'expectations':
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7318141&postcount=4167
I use timelines with expectations ...

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5130040&postcount=2152
...
Marcel=Dutch
...
(10:13:15 PM) Marcel: expecting something this weekend that makes you think of the Sumatra quake tsunami
edit: happened the next day
...

As a crank, you need weasel room, hence the claim of not doing 'exact predictions'.
So, Marcel, you do attempt predictions, period.

[The Man]

i do my best, I give everything I have. Maybe you should do the same

A very sad reprise Dutch that your “best” and “everything” you have simply doesn’t include critically examining your notions.


Do you know why I am here? because the biggest progress can be made through to most rigid mindsets that aren't occupied in daily survival, people who don't have to struggle to feed their kids everyday, people who don't wake up to get their arms every day to participate in another silly war.

You have all the opportunities to be a free thinker, but what I experience from you is just a selfish rigid point of view of reality as if you don't care less.

Your assumptions precede you. You have the opportunity to critically examine your notions with the help of others here but deliberately choose not to because that is simply not the reason you are here.


What are you expecting from life? Are you happy with scientific findings?

What are you expecting from this thread Dutch? Are you happy wallowing in your own self-detached self-disdain?


is it enough for you to feel happy for your own?
My own what?


You are just living your life in comfort aren't you? be honest

You are just living your life in fanstasy aren’t you (and a rather dull and depressing fantasy at that)? Be honest .




Some people have pointed out to me that HDDesign has no vision, but that was a choice I made years ago. I know that it is important that people come to the knowledge themselves and I have let the material do the working.

Some people have pointed out that your “HDDesign has” only one dimension (time). That “vision” is entirely yours as well as that “choice” you made years ago. You could have, and still can, chose differently but you continue to ignore the opportunities.


Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way so I have decided to seek direct confrontation.

Again, instead of what you should be seeking here and employing yourself, critical examination.


I'm not done with you yet and I'm sure some of you aren't done with me either, but we will go to a more enlightened comprehesion of reality one way or the other.

that will happen, if you like it or not

Again missing the boat, it is not us you should be concerned with and it certainly isn’t you we seek to address. It is your notions that are the locus of this thread. Without critical examination that singular vision (yours) you chose “years ago” to simply impose upon reality will remain anything but enlightened.

[dafydd]

Are you happy with scientific findings?



Which scientific findings?

[Daylightstar]

Its just as simple as it is: our individual and collective consciousness is Earthbound and should stay that way. We have to go through our spiritual development here in our reality. You don't have to go to another planet in order to explore....you will die soon enough to have that opportunity.

When that time comes, I hope for you that you will find yourselves awake
in an environment that have brought you ahead in your own spiritual development. Most probably it wouldn't and you might even know it

That does not address the question in any way shape or form.

With respect to your irrational belief:
...
...
Regardless what some of you think of it, it does matter. ...

Dutch
It's entirely irrelevant, a complete waste of time. Unless one wants to learn the meaning of the word "irrational".

[dafydd]

be patient my friend, you will find out sooner or later. Just makes sure it wouldn't happen too late. that is when you are dead.


When I'm dead I will be in the same condition that I was in before I was born, so it won't be bothering me all that much.

If you could get real proof, you wouldn't have been born here in the first place. Take your own responsibility

What that means is anybody's guess. If I get proof now I will cease to exist? If that is what you are saying then it is total nonsense.

[Daylightstar]

i do my best, I give everything I have. ...
Yes, all the pulp that you have.

...
Do you know why I am here? ...
Sure, you have an irrational, possibly pathological belief, which you want to force onto others.
Perhaps you think this way your irrational belief will materialize.


... Are you happy with scientific findings? ...
You certainly are. Computer technology allows you to spew your irrational belief across the internet/multiple fora free of charge.

... I know that it is important that people come to the knowledge themselves and I have let the material do the working. ...
People do, if they want:
... to learn the meaning of the word "irrational".
This thread and all your other internet presence demonstrate this with abundant clarity.

...
Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way so I have decided to seek direct confrontation.
...
Oh yes, this bit:
...
I will be less polite during the months ahead.

Confrontating at most times
Doesn't appear to be working out so well. You however do succeed in making yourself look like an utterly irrational fool.

...
I'm not done with you yet ...
Of course not, the apparent pathological nature of your irrational belief compels you to carry on, it's your number one priority, above all things else.
... our near future in relation to the destiny of mankind has my first priority...
Hilite by Daylightstar
... this 'research'needs to proceed on a daily basis, that's the first priority
Hilite by Daylightstar
... But you'll be back, expressing your delusion. You have to.

[Daylightstar]

at least I try

No, you don't.

[Dutch]

Your ability (or lack thereof) to demonstrate here the claim you made here has no dependence or influence upon my rights or the lack thereof.

If you have nothing to support your claim of the significance of those dates you can just say so.

In wich context did I say that? Don't take a remark out of context man

[Dutch]

All highlites in this post by Daylightstar

Actually:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5130040&postcount=2152

The page you refer to is actually called:


Repeated the next day with:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5135074&postcount=2175


Another reference by you to you doing predictions:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2628193&postcount=171


Ofcourse you claim (weaseling out of doing predictions) not to do 'exact predictions':
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6508634&postcount=3553


Oh no, they are 'expectations':
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7318141&postcount=4167


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5130040&postcount=2152


As a crank, you need weasel room, hence the claim of not doing 'exact predictions'.
So, Marcel, you do attempt predictions, period.

expected expressions of specific underlying themes aren't exact predictions.
I think you should be smart enough to understand this difference.

I have posted 3 'experimental predictions' on the HDdesign forum, in an area only I have access, only to find out if it matters if expectations are shared to the public or not. that was an experiment as it was called.

Exact predictions aren't possible, unless one sees the future. I haven't seen anyone doing this. However, one can have a sense of specific underlying themes that will find expression at specific moments in our perception of time. That's nat an exact prediction.

I have said this a dozen times already, apparently for deaf ears or lack of reading

[Dutch]

A very sad reprise Dutch that your “best” and “everything” you have simply doesn’t include critically examining your notions.


You're making me laugh man.

Its you who didn't critically examine the HDDesign material and yet you think you can allow yourselves the opinion that you are expressing here.

That's what I mean when i say you have no right for talking.

If you don't understand this I feel sorry for you.

You have made sceptical thinking into an objective. leads to nowhere, but I guess you didn't found that out yet.

There's still hope for you, keep the ehad up!

[Dutch]

Your assumptions precede you. You have the opportunity to critically examine your notions with the help of others here but deliberately choose not to because that is simply not the reason you are here.


If you were truly willing to help, you would do your best to comprehend this complicated material. You have never given any sigh that you do so. You have wasted your time by making stand-alone remaks about out of context details. You aren't seriously involved with this, not at all unfortunately

[Dutch]

What are you expecting from this thread Dutch? Are you happy wallowing in your own self-detached self-disdain?


I'm expecting that it will eventually open your eyes. that's the only reason I'm here, because I do understand the signifigance.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Dutch http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=8641564#post8641564)
You are just living your life in comfort aren't you? be honest

man:

You are just living your life in fanstasy aren’t you (and a rather dull and depressing fantasy at that)? Be honest .

is it that difficult to answer this question? focus man!

[Dutch]

Some people have pointed out that your “HDDesign has” only one dimension (time). That “vision” is entirely yours as well as that “choice” you made years ago. You could have, and still can, chose differently but you continue to ignore the opportunities.

The hidden intelligent correlations between our 3D reality and other dimensional expressions are based on our perception of time yes.

Time in itself is meaningless, unless you try to say that HDDesign is meaningless. In that case you have chosen the wrong words.

Funny that you say I'm ignoring opportunities, you are already starting to talk like me. Keep some distance if I may advice you.

[Dutch]

Again missing the boat, it is not us you should be concerned with and it certainly isn’t you we seek to address. It is your notions that are the locus of this thread. Without critical examination that singular vision (yours) you chose “years ago” to simply impose upon reality will remain anything but enlightened.


man, your opinion isn't based on real indepth investigation of the material.

After all this years you haven't proceeded beyond a prejudice

[Dutch]

Which scientific findings?
indeed

[Dutch]

That does not address the question in any way shape or form.


Wich question? be specific if you want a clear conversation

[Dutch]

When I'm dead I will be in the same condition that I was in before I was born, so it won't be bothering me all that much.

I'm sorry to hear that you think your life is meaningless, that you don't understand that your life is contributing to your own spiritual development at multi-dimensional levels and to our collective development as a whole.

You might not understand the signifigance of your life, but I do.

and i love you :-)

[Dutch]

at that means is anybody's guess. If I get proof now I will cease to exist? If that is what you are saying then it is total nonsense.

No, you will cease to exist here anyway, as we all do. The problem is, that if it would be proven to you that you're existence will proceed, you will stop living. You will have lived your live for nothing, as this dimensional realm is suppost to be designed for ou to make your own progress, with the opportunities given to ou.

[Dutch]

sorry, have to skip post 5570

has nothing to add to a normal conversation

[Dutch]

I'm waiting for Orphia to reply, because I'm not done yet with her

[Sideroxylon]

sorry, have to skip post 5570

has nothing to add to a normal conversation

Something in common to your HDD hobby then, Dutch.

[dafydd]

focus man!

Why?

[dafydd]

No, you will cease to exist here anyway, as we all do. The problem is, that if it would be proven to you that you're existence will proceed, you will stop living. You will have lived your live for nothing, as this dimensional realm is suppost to be designed for ou to make your own progress, with the opportunities given to ou.

Designed? By who or what? Do you believe in a sky daddy?

[Daylightstar]

...

I have said this a dozen times already, apparently for deaf ears or lack of reading

And yet, you do attempt predictions.

[Daylightstar]

Your ability (or lack thereof) to demonstrate here the claim you made here has no dependence or influence upon my rights or the lack thereof.

If you have nothing to support your claim of the significance of those dates you can just say so.
In wich context did I say that? Don't take a remark out of context man

...
Its you who didn't critically examine the HDDesign material and yet you think you can allow yourselves the opinion that you are expressing here.

That's what I mean when i say you have no right for talking.
...

Actually, this thread glaringly demonstrates the untruth of your claim of non critical examination of your unsupported irrational belief.

You remain incapable of supporting any of your claims. Nothing has changed, and nothing will.

The Man's response was made in the correct context.

[Daylightstar]

Wich question? be specific if you want a clear conversation
Hilite by Daylightstar
Which scientific findings?indeed

Feeling juvenile today?


Oh, I'm sorry, should I just repeat the question just because you'd rather pretend that you do not know which one or were you thrown off because there appeared two question marks?
It's reasonable to suspect the former is the case.

This question:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8568027&postcount=5534
And how about an association with an astronaut (you know, in a space suit), is that allowed?
Or would that send the wrong message with respect to one of your claimed 'major underlying themes' that human consciousness should remain Earthbound?

Hmmm?

[Daylightstar]

You are just living your life in fanstasy aren’t you (and a rather dull and depressing fantasy at that)? Be honest .

is it that difficult to answer this question? focus man!
And a useless fantasy at that.

[Paul]

expected expressions of specific underlying themes aren't exact predictions.We know that, you used the word, not us.


I have posted 3 'experimental predictions' on the HDdesign forum, in an area only I have access,Oh, I see, word magic again.


only to find out if it matters if expectations are shared to the public or not. that was an experiment as it was called.Well, expected expressions of specific underlying themes are notoriously shy.


Exact predictions aren't possible, unless one sees the future. I haven't seen anyone doing thisSo your vague, word-magic, cherry-picking, math-scrambling timelines aren't looking to the future?


However, one can have a sense of specific underlying themes that will find expression at specific moments in our perception of time. That's nat an exact prediction.Oh, silly me, I was under the foolish impression that saying specific things will happen at specific times was predicting them.


I have said this a dozen times already, apparently for deaf ears or lack of readingOr perhaps because you have a pathological inability to actually reply to any questioning, preferring juvenile mockery, denial, blame, repetition and obfuscation.

[Paul]

Its you who didn't critically examine the HDDesign material and yet you think you can allow yourselves the opinion that you are expressing here.The material is meaningless as you refuse to provide any rules for processing the data.


That's what I mean when i say you have no right for talking.Saying things doesn't make them true, something you have obviously failed to notice.


You have made sceptical thinking into an objective.That you think this is a bad thing says much about you.

[Mister Earl]

Hi, Dutch!

If you'd be so kind, please respond to my request made to you several years ago on the BAUT forums you used to post on before you got banned for refusing to back up your claims.

I remind you, my request was to have you outline your entire process, to include all math and graphs so that we may attempt to replicate your methods.

I predict you will again refuse and obfuscate the issue with more word salad.

[Paul]

If you were truly willing to help, you would do your best to comprehend this complicated material.You refused to accept help along time ago when it was offered, whining that people won't help you now won't get you anywhere.


You have wasted your time by making stand-alone remaks about out of context details.You post, we respond. If you ignore those responses don't expect people to take your nonsense seriously.


You aren't seriously involved with this, not at all unfortunatelyI don't believe it is possible to be serious with the material.

[Daylightstar]

sorry, have to skip post 5570

has nothing to add to a normal conversation

Ah, you mean this post:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8641701&postcount=5570

Well, actually:
It answered two questions you asked.

It explained how your 'material' is working for people and stated generally where demonstration of such can be found.

It showed the ridiculessness of your 'confrontation seeking' statement.
(E.T.A. Actually, it stated it. It is unambiguously demonstrated after your 'confrontating' statement (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8012945&postcount=4754) in this thread.)

It explains your claim why you 'are not done' with people in this thread with the help of your own statements which show that your first priorities are with your entirely unsupported and evidently unsupportable irrational belief/activities on the internet.

It seems it had plenty to add.

However, what you call 'normal conversation' appears to really mean:

Please, uncritically accept and talk about my 'intuitions' as if they are real (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8198820&postcount=5377).
And of course, that will not likely happen on this forum. You should learn to accept that.

[Daylightstar]

Designed? By who or what? Do you believe in a sky daddy?

He certainly uses an apparent belief in a sky daddy.
...
If its not God that has put Phobos and Deimos in such an intelligent orbit around Mars.....

Than who did?...

[Paul]

The hidden intelligent correlations between our 3D reality and other dimensional expressions are based on our perception of time yes.The many wrong things in that sentence have been explained to you ad nauseam, but you still trot out the same old dogma.


Time in itself is meaningless,Then HDD is meaningless in it's entirety.


unless you try to say that HDDesign is meaningless.Oh I don't try to say it.


In that case you have chosen the wrong words.I think it is a more than fair and undeservedly polite choice of words.


Funny that you say I'm ignoring opportunities, you are already starting to talk like me. Keep some distance if I may advice you.Excellent advice, we wouldn't want to sound like you, would we?

[Paul]

I'm sorry to hear that you think your life is meaningless, that you don't understand that your life is contributing to your own spiritual development at multi-dimensional levels and to our collective development as a whole.And just how did you come by this incredible knowledge, O wise one?


You might not understand the signifigance of your life, but I do.There's nothing like a bit of staggering arrogance to go with delusions of cosmic importance.

[Daylightstar]

... this complicated material. ...

It's not about 'the material', it's about you.
You appear to have a somewhat complicated, difficult to remedy issue going on.

[Daylightstar]

The hidden intelligent correlations between our 3D reality and other dimensional expressions are based on our perception of time yes. ...

No, not really,
It is quite evident that what you call 'intelligent correlations' are based on what happens between your ears, only.

It is your activities here and elsewhere on the net which more than plausibly establish this conclusion.

However, please feel free to attempt to properly respond to Mister Earl's repeated friendly request.
I should probably add to that, within your capabilities ......

Hi, Dutch!

If you'd be so kind, please respond to my request made to you several years ago on the BAUT forums you used to post on before you got banned for refusing to back up your claims.

I remind you, my request was to have you outline your entire process, to include all math and graphs so that we may attempt to replicate your methods.
...

[The Man]

In wich context did I say that? Don't take a remark out of context man


You're making me laugh man.

Its you who didn't critically examine the HDDesign material and yet you think you can allow yourselves the opinion that you are expressing here.

That's what I mean when i say you have no right for talking.

If you don't understand this I feel sorry for you.

You have made sceptical thinking into an objective. leads to nowhere, but I guess you didn't found that out yet.

There's still hope for you, keep the ehad up!


man:



is it that difficult to answer this question? focus man!

man, your opinion isn't based on real indepth investigation of the material.

After all this years you haven't proceeded beyond a prejudice

If it was your intent to address these posts to me then I’ll ask you again to please try harder Dutch.

[The Man]

If you were truly willing to help, you would do your best to comprehend this complicated material.
It ain’t complicated Dutch. You correlate events by date according to formula or combinations of formula of your own choosing, applied to those dates, then add your own interpretation and ascribe it all to some undemonstrative “other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms”. Contrived (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contrived?s=t) yes but certainly not complicated (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/complicated?s=t) at all. See I just explained the difference between 'contrived' and 'complicated', I am quite willing to help. Who's contrivance it actually is however, that, unfortunately only you can help yourself with.



You have never given any sigh that you do so. You have wasted your time by making stand-alone remaks about out of context details. You aren't seriously involved with this, not at all unfortunately

I have time to waste, my remarks certainly don’t “stand-alone” and you seriously have nothing to be “involved with”. It’s all just your own inclinations you evidently just don’t want to take responsibility for.


I'm expecting that it will eventually open your eyes. that's the only reason I'm here, because I do understand the signifigance.

"the signifigance"? of what, your own inclinations? Of such significance to you, they are, that you simply chose to ascribe them to some “other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms”? Open your eyes Dutch, If you can't own the position yourself then it is anything but significant to you.


The hidden intelligent correlations between our 3D reality and other dimensional expressions are based on our perception of time yes.

No Dutch your “correlations” (while admittedly, by you, are based entirely on the singular dimension of time) are neither intelligent nor hidden they are simply created at your discretion and inclination.


Time in itself is meaningless, unless you try to say that HDDesign is meaningless. In that case you have chosen the wrong words.

You choose the word. Stop trying to blame others, including “other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms”, for your own inclinations and poor choice of wording.



Funny that you say I'm ignoring opportunities, you are already starting to talk like me. Keep some distance if I may advice you.

Funny indeed as I don’t speak any Dutch. Just what language do you think we are conversing in here, not Dutch or even mathematics, just English perchance? Seems you’ve been deliberately attempting to talk like me while still deliberately ignoring opportunities. Funny how that actually works out, ain’t it?

In all seriousness, Dutch, if you want to oppose manned space exploration or use of nuclear power (is it just fission or fusion as well?) there are plenty of valid reasons to do so. Most of them in the very news reports you’ve been reading. The deficiency of claiming some “other expressions of consciousness in other dimensional realms” have been telling you this by “hidden intelligent correlations” from whatever dimension(s) you imagine is that it tells someone else exactly the opposite by no “hidden intelligent correlations” from whatever dimension(s) or by “hidden intelligent correlations” from some higher dimension(s). In the end Dutch it is all just you, so only you can end it for yourself.

[Daylightstar]

...
Sure, you have an irrational, possibly pathological belief, which you want to force onto others. ...

Very recent example:
I'm waiting for Orphia to reply, because I'm not done yet with her

[Sideroxylon]

Hi, Dutch!

If you'd be so kind, please respond to my request made to you several years ago on the BAUT forums you used to post on before you got banned for refusing to back up your claims.

I remind you, my request was to have you outline your entire process, to include all math and graphs so that we may attempt to replicate your methods.

I predict you will again refuse and obfuscate the issue with more word salad.

If you don't do this, Dutch, your oh-so-important HDD discovery will be lost forever when you pass on. Oh, the loss for humanity!

[Wolrab]

I have posted 3 'experimental predictions' on the HDdesign forum, in an area only I have access, only to find out if it matters if expectations are shared to the public or not. that was an experiment as it was called.


Wow. How did that work out for you? Overwhelming success I'd bet.

[Daylightstar]

Wow. How did that work out for you? Overwhelming success I'd bet.

Not even vaguely approaching the stunningly proven accuracy of Plastic Dimensional Design.

[Wolrab]

Not even vaguely approaching the stunningly proven accuracy of Plastic Dimensional Design.
You should see the incredible predictions that I have done with PDD, unfortunately you can't, as I don't allow anyone to see them. Just now another one came true!

[Orphia Nay]

I'm waiting for Orphia to reply, because I'm not done yet with her

I see you posting the same old stuff. Why should I reply when you're already ignoring all the other constructive criticism?

If you want to say something to me, say it.

[Sideroxylon]

I have posted 3 'experimental predictions' on the HDdesign forum, in an area only I have access, only to find out if it matters if expectations are shared to the public or not. that was an experiment as it was called.

And what is the hypothesis behind doing such a thing, Dutch? At best it looks like a childish ruse to hide your misses and present only your apparent hits. At worst it smacks of an over-inflated sense of your place in the workings of the universe.

[Dutch]

And yet, you do attempt predictions.

identifying future expressions of specific underlying themes that will find expression at specific moments in our perception of time, yes.

Unless one sees the future, a prediction is meaningless.
Identifying it, is already lessening its effect, finding a much more subtle expression if you understand what I mean

[Dutch]

sorry,

no time, later

[The Man]

identifying future expressions of specific underlying themes that will find expression at specific moments in our perception of time, yes.

No Dutch simply "identifying future expressions of specific underlying themes that will find expression" in just your perception, again contrived... certainly, complicated... certainly not


Unless one sees the future, a prediction is meaningless.
Identifying it, is already lessening its effect, finding a much more subtle expression if you understand what I mean

So which is it, Dutch, "meaningless" or "already lessening its effect"? Evidently you just don't understand what you mean.

[Daylightstar]

And yet, you do attempt predictions.identifying future expressions of specific underlying themes that will find expression at specific moments in our perception of time, yes. ...
That's what I said, you do predictions, yes.

...
Unless one sees the future, a prediction is meaningless.
Identifying it, is already lessening its effect, finding a much more subtle expression if you understand what I mean
Hilite bt Daylightstar
... identifying future expressions of specific underlying themes that will find expression at specific moments in our perception of time, yes. ...
Hilites by Daylightstar
That's what I said, you do predictions, yes.

[Daylightstar]

...
Identifying it, is already lessening its effect, finding a much more subtle expression if you understand what I mean

Sure I understand what you mean. The effect is so subtle in fact, that it affects no one and nothing, except you.
It is after all your number one priority. Above all else ......

... our near future in relation to the destiny of mankind has my first priority...
... this 'research'needs to proceed on a daily basis, that's the first priority

The world at large is not affected at all.

[Daylightstar]

I'm waiting for Orphia to reply, because I'm not done yet with her

No 'effect' there ....

As there was no 'effect' here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8197235&postcount=5371):
... because there are some things I want to address .

That's what you call ..... predictable. :jaw-dropp

[Mister Earl]

sorry,

no time, later

No time? You've had maybe six or seven years since you began this hypothesis of yours. You've had nothing but time. And you've used that time to refuse to explain your method. You've done nothing more than post random word salad and asked us to take your word for it. We don't. We won't. That's not how science works. That's how kookery works. And your HDD hypothesis falls splat within the realm of kookery.

We've given you advice how to test your hypothesis scientifically. We've pleaded with you for information about your process so we could test it ourselves. Begged, even. You consistently refuse.

I don't know why you even bother posting anymore. You offer nothing new.

[Dutch]

I wrote on December 30, 2010 on on another forum, already emphasizing the timeframe of November 10, 2012 ( 'awakening in optima forma' )

I thought I had nothing else to mention at this moment, but this morning I wanted to find out more about the perihelion of comet 2009 HC82. I found the date of the expected perihelion and I just put it on the timeline this morning in order to log the date. I had no additional info when I logged it on the timeline Q4, 2012
[..]
later this morning the significance already became clear:
Oh yes, synchronicity.......
After I posted the above today December 30, 2010, about the expected return at perihelion of comet 2009 HC82, I thought to give the 2 Pi points a closer look, based on the very same Pi based Design as unveiled here in the HDDesign material. I mean the 2 Pi points on the current orbit of 2009 HC82 that will reach a full orbit on November 10, 2012.
Orbit of 2009 HC82 is 3.39 * 365.25 = 1238,2 days
Pi points are ( as already determined ) at 556 days ( awakening starttirigger date ) and 681 days.
556 days prior to November 10, 2012 gives May 4, 2011 !!!!, a date already identified in my previous post here as very significant in relation to this very same comet 2009 HC82:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=12296&mforum=hddesign#12296
May 4, 2011, was already metioned on the timeline Q2 2011 as second Pi point Steins, directly connected to the identification of comet 2009 HC82 as part of the 'communication' and the discovery of the Pi based Design in the orbit of this comet in relation to the awakeningstimeframe.
Awakening in Optima Forma
So the orbit of 2009 HC82 is again confirming this very same Design, now when looked at it from the expected perihelion date!!!!!
The second Pi point is at 681 days prior to November 10, 2012:
December 30, 2010!!
That's today, the dicovery of this specific underlying Design!!!!

This is so profound.......
I recommend to follow the postings on the timelines regularly.
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewforum.php?f=1&mforum=hddesign
you can login with user 'reader' and password 'reader'' .

'Awakening in optima forma', around November 10, 2012

UPDATED ON NOVEMBER 18: IT STARTED HERE DURING THIS TIMEFRAME
November 9:
Two Iranian Revolutionary Guard fighter jets fire on an unmanned American General Atomics MQ-1 Predator drone in international airspace near Kuwait.
November 10:
Palestinian militants fire a barrage of rockets from Gaza into southern Israel, in a cross-border escalation following an earlier attack in which four Israeli soldiers are injured, two seriously, when an anti-tank missile fired from the Gaza Strip hits an Israeli army jeep patrolling some 200 meters inside the Israeli border with Gaza; Israel carries out counter-strikes
November 11:
The Israel Defense Forces has fired an anti-tank missile in the direction of a mortar position in Syria after a 120mm mortar shell exploded near an Israeli post in the Golan Heights. Although the missile was reportedly intended as a "warning shot" and directed to miss the mortar position on purpose, the IDF's response marks the first time since the 1973 Yom Kippur War that Israel has fired at Syrian territory.

[Paul]

Really, a whole week of googling and that's the best you could do?

[Little 10 Toes]

Something will happen somewhere sometime involving someone.

[The Man]

I wrote on December 30, 2010 on on another forum, already emphasizing the timeframe of November 10, 2012 ( 'awakening in optima forma' )

I thought I had nothing else to mention at this moment, but this morning I wanted to find out more about the perihelion of comet 2009 HC82. I found the date of the expected perihelion and I just put it on the timeline this morning in order to log the date. I had no additional info when I logged it on the timeline Q4, 2012
[..]
later this morning the significance already became clear:
Oh yes, synchronicity.......
After I posted the above today December 30, 2010, about the expected return at perihelion of comet 2009 HC82, I thought to give the 2 Pi points a closer look, based on the very same Pi based Design as unveiled here in the HDDesign material. I mean the 2 Pi points on the current orbit of 2009 HC82 that will reach a full orbit on November 10, 2012.
Orbit of 2009 HC82 is 3.39 * 365.25 = 1238,2 days
Pi points are ( as already determined ) at 556 days ( awakening starttirigger date ) and 681 days.
556 days prior to November 10, 2012 gives May 4, 2011 !!!!, a date already identified in my previous post here as very significant in relation to this very same comet 2009 HC82:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=12296&mforum=hddesign#12296
May 4, 2011, was already metioned on the timeline Q2 2011 as second Pi point Steins, directly connected to the identification of comet 2009 HC82 as part of the 'communication' and the discovery of the Pi based Design in the orbit of this comet in relation to the awakeningstimeframe.
Awakening in Optima Forma
So the orbit of 2009 HC82 is again confirming this very same Design, now when looked at it from the expected perihelion date!!!!!
The second Pi point is at 681 days prior to November 10, 2012:
December 30, 2010!!
That's today, the dicovery of this specific underlying Design!!!!

This is so profound.......
I recommend to follow the postings on the timelines regularly.
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewforum.php?f=1&mforum=hddesign
you can login with user 'reader' and password 'reader'' .

'Awakening in optima forma', around November 10, 2012

UPDATED ON NOVEMBER 18: IT STARTED HERE DURING THIS TIMEFRAME
November 9:
Two Iranian Revolutionary Guard fighter jets fire on an unmanned American General Atomics MQ-1 Predator drone in international airspace near Kuwait.
November 10:
Palestinian militants fire a barrage of rockets from Gaza into southern Israel, in a cross-border escalation following an earlier attack in which four Israeli soldiers are injured, two seriously, when an anti-tank missile fired from the Gaza Strip hits an Israeli army jeep patrolling some 200 meters inside the Israeli border with Gaza; Israel carries out counter-strikes
November 11:
The Israel Defense Forces has fired an anti-tank missile in the direction of a mortar position in Syria after a 120mm mortar shell exploded near an Israeli post in the Golan Heights. Although the missile was reportedly intended as a "warning shot" and directed to miss the mortar position on purpose, the IDF's response marks the first time since the 1973 Yom Kippur War that Israel has fired at Syrian territory.


I point your attention to this part…


The second Pi point is at 681 days prior to November 10, 2012:
December 30, 2010!!
That's today, the dicovery of this specific underlying Design!!!!

This is so profound.......


So one of his “so profound” confirming events for this particular “'awakening in optima forma'” “timeframe” is just him coming up with that “timeframe”.

Once again Dutch your purported “Hyper-dimensional” “entities” are trying to tell you that this is all just you.

[Daylightstar]

I wrote ...
comet 2009 HC82
Syrian territory.

Not being able to show that the chosen orbital period is correct, rounding values, falsely claiming an exact result in meaningless arithmetic, baseless fear mongering.

It's all there, again.

[Hans]

He's back! With yet more meaningless mumbo jumbo...........

[Daylightstar]

I wrote on December 30, 2010 on on another forum, already emphasizing the timeframe of November 10, 2012 ( 'awakening in optima forma' )
Quote:
I thought I had nothing else ... password 'reader''
'Awakening in optima forma', around November 10, 2012

UPDATED ON NOVEMBER 18: IT STARTED HERE DURING THIS TIMEFRAME
...
Structured exactly like a postdiction, to pretend it's a prediction.

You just can't help yourself with thinking that you can predict, anticipate or that your expectations have any meaning whatsoever.
Whatever you want to call it, you pretend to have predictive power.
Sure, you don't exactly predict on what side of the mortar position the shell will land or what the militants had for breakfast. But otherwise, you clearly think you have predictive power, whereas all you can muster is this silly postdicting.

[Dutch]

you better keep an eye on the timelines

[dafydd]

you better keep an eye on the timelines

No. And it won't make one iota of difference to our lives.

[Paul]

you better keep an eye on the timelinesOoh, that's mysterious.

Are you perhaps implying that something is going to happen somewhere at sometime to someone?

[dafydd]

Ooh, that's mysterious.

Are you perhaps implying that something is going to happen somewhere at sometime to someone?

Could it be that Dutch is going to make a prediction at last and perhaps prove the HDD is not total nonsense? Assuming that the prediction pans out.

[Paul]

Could it be that Dutch is going to make a prediction at last and perhaps prove the HDD is not total nonsense? Assuming that the prediction pans out.Ah, but Dutch doesn't make predictions, he just tells us about things that have will happened in the future after they did should occur in the past.

[dafydd]

Ah, but Dutch doesn't make predictions, he just tells us about things that have will happened in the future after they did should occur in the past.

We have newspapers and the like, so we don't need old news from HDD.

[TheRedWorm]

Ah, but Dutch doesn't make predictions, he just tells us about things that have will happened in the future after they did should occur in the past.

*deep, mystical-mysterious-type voice* I don't know where. I don't know when. But something TERRIBLE is going to happen.

[Paul]

We have newspapers and the like, so we don't need old news from HDD.Dutch don't need no stinking newspapers with their context and background, he has teh googlez.

[Dutch]

I cannot force you to do so, but you really should get involved with the issues at hand in the Q4 2012 timeline. You would do yourselves and mankind a favor

[Sideroxylon]

I must have missed the part where you demonstrated the HDD has any utility whatsoever.

[Daylightstar]

... but you really should get involved with the issues at hand in the Q4 2012 timeline. You would do yourselves and mankind a favor

Occupying oneself with your copied/pasted so called timelines with multiple edited posts is not meaningful for anyone.
Not even for you .....
... It's entirely irrelevant, a complete waste of time. Unless one wants to learn the meaning of the word "irrational".

[Orphia Nay]

I cannot force you to do so, but you really should get involved with the issues at hand in the Q4 2012 timeline. You would do yourselves and mankind a favor

Here's Dutch's link, as he seems to have a mental block about posting them.

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about569-0-asc-0-hddesign.html

Total gibberish as usual, but Season's Greetings, Dutch!

[Mister Earl]

I must have missed the part where you demonstrated the HDD has any utility whatsoever.

You have not. Nor will you ever. The only continually confirmed prophecies are the ones predicting that Dutch will continue to refuse to explain his process or test it in any way that could even potentially be misconstrued as being scientific in nature.

Dutch isn't here to discuss his material. Never has. The JREF is just a spare soap box to him.

[dafydd]

Here's Dutch's link, as he seems to have a mental block about posting them.

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about569-0-asc-0-hddesign.html

Total gibberish as usual, but Season's Greetings, Dutch!

The ''extrordinary event'' of Dec the 3rd turned out be Kate Middleton's pregnancy! World shaking. As usual, Dutch mentioned the event after it happened.

[Dutch]

some of you really think that HDDesign is nonsens....

It's the biggest truth about our reality.....

I have done enough to try to get you started....

Monday ( December 17, 2012 ) there will be a twin impact on the moon with the Grail probes .....
This twin impacts on December 17, 2012, Deep Impact on comet Temple 1 on July 4, 2005, Chandrayaan's impact on the moon on November 14, 2008, LCROSS / Centaurs impact on the moon on October 9, 2009, Smart-1 at the entering of the Moon orbit on 16 November 2004 and Smart-1 impact on the Moon on september 3, 2006
Are ALL connected intelligently based on the specific underlying HDDesign Pi-based Intelligent Design.
Revealed by synchronicity followed by another synchronicity etc., instantly unveiling the specific Pi based underlying Design, UNDENIABLE intelligently connected.

there are so many more examples of this specific Pi Design in the material ..... but if this is not convincing .... then I really do not know what it takes to get people to open their eyes ....

You're not doing yourselves a favor...nor mankind.

[Mister Earl]

some of you really think that HDDesign is nonsens....
"Some"?

It's the biggest truth about our reality.....
You cannot make this claim with any authority, given you have never done any scientific testing. Additionally, you take great pains to ensure you don't give enough information to allow others to do so.

I have done enough to try to get you started....
You've refused to even do the bare minimal.

Monday ( December 17, 2012 ) there will be a twin impact on the moon with the Grail probes .....
This twin impacts on December 17, 2012, Deep Impact on comet Temple 1 on July 4, 2005, Chandrayaan's impact on the moon on November 14, 2008, LCROSS / Centaurs impact on the moon on October 9, 2009, Smart-1 at the entering of the Moon orbit on 16 November 2004 and Smart-1 impact on the Moon on september 3, 2006
Are ALL connected intelligently based on the specific underlying HDDesign Pi-based Intelligent Design.
Revealed by synchronicity followed by another synchronicity etc., instantly unveiling the specific Pi based underlying Design, UNDENIABLE intelligently connected.
And as stated to you ad nauseum, posting trash like this is pointless until you outline you entire process so it can be tested by others. Since that is impossible, the above is useless. Not that I expect you to understand this after seven plus years...

there are so many more examples of this specific Pi Design in the material ..... but if this is not convincing .... then I really do not know what it takes to get people to open their eyes ....
Sure you do. You just refuse. We've all told you, ad nauseum again, what it would take. You refuse to outline your process.

You're not doing yourselves a favor...nor mankind.
You are not doing HDD any favors by refusing to outline the process. You are not doing the scientific method any favors by ignoring it. You are not doing the forum any favors by posting long strings of gibberish and then refusing to discuss your process on a forum where discussion is a core component.

[dafydd]

some All of you really think that HDDesign is nonsens....

ftfy.

Monday ( December 17, 2012 ) there will be a twin impact on the moon with the Grail probes .....
This twin impacts on December 17, 2012, Deep Impact on comet Temple 1 on July 4, 2005, Chandrayaan's impact on the moon on November 14, 2008, LCROSS / Centaurs impact on the moon on October 9, 2009, Smart-1 at the entering of the Moon orbit on 16 November 2004 and Smart-1 impact on the Moon on september 3, 2006


So what? We know that these events happened or are going to happen.

[Daylightstar]

... It's the biggest truth about our reality...... ...
It does not appear to be so.

... then I really do not know what it takes to get people to open their eyes ....
...
Actually, what it would take has been explained to you in clear detail across a good few years. But you're not responding meaningfully to it.

... You're not doing yourselves a favor...nor mankind.
Showing people the nature of irrationality by example (your 'stuff') is doing ourselves and mankind a favor.

[Dutch]

It is unbelievable how narrow and rigid you are.
The intelligent relationship between these events (see previous page) are undeniable and can not possibly just be a coincidence.
If you do not take the trouble to understand it yourself, because you simply refuses, then you're just an insult to anyone who has sense enough to understand it, but never got the chance to have a think about

[dafydd]

It is unbelievable how narrow and rigid you are.
The intelligent relationship between these events (see previous page) are undeniable and can not possibly just be a coincidence.
If you do not take the trouble to understand it yourself, because you simply refuses, then you're just an insult to anyone who has sense enough to understand it, but never got the chance to have a think about

Doesn't the fact that you are the only person in the world who believes this HDD nonsense tell you something? There is no relationship between the events, it's all in your head.

[Daylightstar]

It is unbelievable how narrow and rigid you are....
The words of a man who fails to deliver the goods and convince.

... The intelligent delusional non existent relationship between these events (see previous page this whole thread) ...
Improvements by Daylightstar
ftfy :) You're welcome.

... are undeniable and can not possibly just be a coincidence. ...
Your apparent delusion is a construction, by you, with very poor and faulty basic arithmetic.
It's all an exercise in futility, as you yourself clearly show.

... If you do not take the trouble to understand it yourself, because you simply refuses, then you're just an insult to anyone who has sense enough to understand it, but never got the chance to have a think about
You have been asked (and given reminders) many times, across several years, to outline your process just so people can understand.
But you do not respond to it meaningfully ... you run away from it.

Extreme rigidity of this behavior by you, can be clearly and objectively observed in this entire thread.
Not to mention the other threads on other sites.

You, Dutch, are the one who is characterizing your own ideas as absolutely worthless.

[Daylightstar]

... If you do not take the trouble to understand it yourself, because you simply refuses, ...

Let me emphasize the response to your above quoted statement.

You have been asked (and given reminders) many times, across several years, to outline your process just so people can understand.
But you do not respond to it meaningfully ... you run away from it.

Your above statement is an example of the ugly dishonesty you employ to protect your irrational ideas.
Your dishonesty is woven into your delusion by necessity.

[Daylightstar]

... then you're just an insult to anyone who has sense enough to understand it, but never got the chance to have a think about

Your whole HDDelusion/HDDBS, is an insult to those who seek valid meaning in life .....

[dlorde]

Q4 2012 Timeline (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about569-0-asc-180-hddesign.html)
...
Sun goes into Red Giant Phase Dec 23, 2012...

OMG! I'll have to look out my sun hat... :rolleyes:

Oh, wait...... Personally, I think the end of the world is on January 27th 2013 because the Mayans had a different letter system to the later western model.

It's going to take over a month for the world to end after the sun goes red giant? No rush then.

And just what is it we're supposed to do to help ourselves and mankind in the face of this catastrophe?

[dafydd]

Quote:
Q4 2012 Timeline
...
Sun goes into Red Giant Phase Dec 23, 2012...



Only five billion years too early. Quite accurate for HDD. The Mayan calender has no effect on the evolution of the Sun.

[Dutch]

Quote:
Q4 2012 Timeline
...
Sun goes into Red Giant Phase Dec 23, 2012...



Only five billion years too early. Quite accurate for HDD. The Mayan calender has no effect on the evolution of the Sun.

I'm not saying the Sun goes red giant, it's an example of 1 of the underlying themes for the the end of the Mayan Long count: solar activity

Now...

Could you explain to me why you think that all these intelligent correlations between these impacts, based on the very same underlying Design, are just a coincidence? Do you really think so? I think you are smart enough to think about it, and if you are, you can only come to one conclusion

[Paul]

I'm not saying the Sun goes red giant, it's an example of 1 of the underlying themes for the the end of the Mayan Long count: solar activityI'm not saying what I said, I'm saying that I think I said some nonsense or other that is vague enough to be peripherally associated with anything I might think I said in the future or past.


Could you explain to me why you think that all these intelligent correlationsThere's your problem.

There. Are. No. Intelligent. Correlations.


based on the very same underlying DesignWhich only exists in you head and whose rules exist only to provide confirmation of anything you imagine.


are just a coincidenceWhere any connection actually exists and isn't just a result of the usually data mangling, yes.


Do you really think so?Yes.


I think you are smart enough to think about itOK, thought about it.


and if you are, you can only come to one conclusionYep, it's all complete and utter nonsensical fantasy on you part.

[Orphia Nay]

Could you explain to me why you think that all these intelligent correlations between these impacts, based on the very same underlying Design, are just a coincidence? Do you really think so? I think you are smart enough to think about it, and if you are, you can only come to one conclusion

They're not intelligent correlations, they're random square pegs in round holes.

Your problem with our "lack of favours to mankind" and incredulity at "coincidences" and "evidence of HDD" are all in your own mind.

The world will carry on happily without your believing in HDD, just as it does now with you the only one believing in it.

You're not changing anything by carrying on as you do, but you CAN change your mind, and that would help you immensely.

[Dutch]

You have been asked (and given reminders) many times, across several years, to outline your process just so people can understand.
But you do not respond to it meaningfully ... you run away from it.

I want to remind you that it's all there so you can do your own 'research'.

Unfortunately, again it becomes clear that people don't really try to understand it. I will walk you through the process and I will do the thinking, because you don't seem to be able to get there on your own.

When NASA announced on December 13 that the Grail twin probes will crash on the moon on december 17, I instantly had to think about Deep Impact on comet tempel 1 on July 4, 2005, which is playing such a major role in this HDDesign 'research' as you all should know.

One of the most important discoveries in relation to this deep Impact on comet Tempel 1 (if not THE most important discovery, not solely for this HDDesign material but for everything else for that matter) , is the discovery of this specific Pi-based Design, which is unique for HDDesign and has already unveiled many hidden underlying intelligent correlations in our reality.

...

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Do not copy and paste lengthy tracts of text from elsewhere. Instead, quote a short passage and provide a link to the source.

[dafydd]

Time will tell

Time has already told us that HDD is a crock.

[Sideroxylon]

Time has already told us that HDD is a crock.

Another couple of months this thread will have its six year anniversary.

[Dutch]

Time has already told us that HDD is a crock.

You understand nothing about time. Time is the medium for inter-dimensional 'communication'. You still fail to see that 'time' is unveiling the hidden underlying intelligent correlations.

Dafydd, you have tried to make a fool of me and you have tried to display the HDDesign material as some kind of delusional expression of a lunatic...

But yet it's there, and it even comes through with even much stronger confirmations for those who need to break through their rigid mindsets.

Why is it that you fail to see it?

Don't take it personal, i don't want to harm you, but you are involved and I can't help to tell you that what you are trying to do is leading nowhere.

Make no mistake...you may be convinced of the stupidity of the HDDesign concept with your rational mind and ego, but the 'real' change takes place at sub-consciouss levels and you will eventually reap the rewards. In your current 'expression' or beyond

[Dutch]

Another couple of months this thread will have its six year anniversary.
At least you understand this calculation, now try the lunar impacts ( calculator needed :-) )

[Dutch]

They're not intelligent correlations, they're random square pegs in round holes.

Your problem with our "lack of favours to mankind" and incredulity at "coincidences" and "evidence of HDD" are all in your own mind.

The world will carry on happily without your believing in HDD, just as it does now with you the only one believing in it.

You're not changing anything by carrying on as you do, but you CAN change your mind, and that would help you immensely.

random square pegs? These lunar impacts aren't random at all, so it seems

Use your brain Orphia

[Daylightstar]

...
So when I heard about this upcomming impact on the moon i was at work, ... but because I wasat work I had to wait until I had time to dig into it. ...
Hilite by Daylightstar

It's interesting how you appear at work many many times, when you are distracted by your personal activities.
Do you get paid for wasting your employer's time?

[Daylightstar]

I want to remind you that it's all there so you can do your own 'research'.

Unfortunately, again it becomes clear that people don't really try to understand it. I will walk you through the process and I will do the thinking, because you don't seem to be able to get there on your own.

When NASA announced on December 13 that the Grail twin probes will crash on the moon on december 17, I instantly had to think about Deep Impact on comet tempel 1 on July 4, 2005, which is playing such a major role in this HDDesign 'research' as you all should know.

One of the most important discoveries in relation to this deep Impact on comet Tempel 1 (if not THE most important discovery, not solely for this HDDesign material but for everything else for that matter) , is the discovery of this specific Pi-based Design, which is unique for HDDesign and has already unveiled many hidden underlying intelligent correlations in our reality.
...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061198782&postcount=53

[Dutch]

If these correlation weren't there, I wouldn't be talking to you.

it's tru that I can change my mind Orphia, but that won't take away these intelligent correlations. I hope you will understand that eventually

[Sideroxylon]

At least you understand this calculation, now try the lunar impacts ( calculator needed :-) )

For what demonstrable benefit, Dutch?

[Dutch]

Hilite by Daylightstar

It's interesting how you appear at work many many times, when you are distracted by your personal activities.
Do you get paid for wasting your employer's time?

You see....you just want to understand how this HDDesign comes to light..

I don't think my boss has a problem with these 2 minutes to log it

[Dutch]

For what demonstrable benefit, Dutch?

To enable you to break through your rigid mindset for once!!!

[Sideroxylon]

To enable you to break through your rigid mindset for once!!!

Dutch, I can turn on a dime and become your most ardent advocate if you give me reason. Again, I'll ask, "For what demonstrable benefit should I do these calculations?"

[Dutch]

Dutch, I can turn on a dime and become your most ardent advocate if you give me reason. Again, I'll ask, "For what demonstrable benefit should I do these calculations?"

because if you do so, it will be inevitable that you will understand that indeed our reality is based on hidden intelligent underlying Design ( not to confound with the Intelligent Design movement who puts responsibility in the hands of an outside 'God')

[dafydd]

To enable you to break through your rigid mindset for once!!!

You should try breaking through your rigid mindset.

[Sideroxylon]

because if you do so, it will be inevitable that you will understand that indeed our reality is based on hidden intelligent underlying Design ( not to confound with the Intelligent Design movement who puts responsibility in the hands of an outside 'God')

I won't come to such a conclusion unless you can demonstrate it is true. However in six years you have utterly failed to even come close. In fact you often behave evasively and dishonestly, just as you have in replies to me this evening. You made a claim. I asked for evidence and you just made more vague claims in a haughty tone.

This last six years has been an utter failure in terms of persuading anyone on these forums and your own credibility.

[Daylightstar]

6 years of nothingness.

[dafydd]

I won't come to such a conclusion unless you can demonstrate it is true. However in six years you have utterly failed to even come close. In fact you often behave evasively and dishonestly, just as you have in replies to me this evening. You made a claim. I asked for evidence and you just made more vague claims in a haughty tone.

This last six years has been an utter failure in terms of persuading anyone on these forums and your own credibility.

That is HDD in a nutshell.

[Dutch]

6 years of nothingness.

I'm sorry for you, but maybe it's not a waiste of time.

just today I have offered a fresh opportunity to you, it's in your hands.

But yet again...there's a difference between your rigid rational perspective and what takes place at sub-consciouss levels.

I'm pretty much sure it isn't a waiste of time at all.

We will shake hands once, that is if we have hands, as we know them, to do so :)

[dafydd]

We will shake hands once, that is if we have hands, as we know them, to do so :)

What?

[dafydd]

just today I have offered a fresh opportunity to you, it's in your hands.



A fresh opportunity to do what? Six years and you have convinced nobody. HDD is a useless fantasy, the bee in your bonnet.

[Daylightstar]

I'm sorry for you, but maybe it's not a waiste of time.

just today I have offered a fresh opportunity to you, it's in your hands.

But yet again...there's a difference between your rigid rational perspective and what takes place at sub-consciouss levels.

I'm pretty much sure it isn't a waiste of time at all.

We will shake hands once, that is if we have hands, as we know them, to do so :)

You do not offer opportunities, you offer empty shells.
You don't have the goods you're trying to sell. In that sense you're a fraud.

[dafydd]

What has this to do with the given intelligent correlations between moon impacts for instance?


There are no correlations and there is nothing intelligent about HDD. What are you going to do when nothing happens when the Mayan calender ends (and starts again)? First the Sun is going to become a red giant soon and then it isn't.

[Dutch]

I won't come to such a conclusion unless you can demonstrate it is true. However in six years you have utterly failed to even come close. In fact you often behave evasively and dishonestly, just as you have in replies to me this evening. You made a claim. I asked for evidence and you just made more vague claims in a haughty tone.

This last six years has been an utter failure in terms of persuading anyone on these forums and your own credibility.

last time I checked these moon impacts were actual events and so are the given mathematical correlations in between them.
I mean, what is the real problem?
Don't you understand the math?, do you think I make these events up?
What is it?
What do you mean with dishonesty? I have a very high personal standard with this respect so you have to explain why I am dishonest.
The evidence is given and not vague at all. You can get your calculator and check for yourselves.
Don't hide behind words and useless replies, let's stay tuned this time

[The Man]

I want to remind you that it's all there so you can do your own 'research'.

Unfortunately, again it becomes clear that people don't really try to understand it. I will walk you through the process and I will do the thinking, because you don't seem to be able to get there on your own.

When NASA announced on December 13 that the Grail twin probes will crash on the moon on december 17, I instantly had to think about Deep Impact on comet tempel 1 on July 4, 2005, which is playing such a major role in this HDDesign 'research' as you all should know.

One of the most important discoveries in relation to this deep Impact on comet Tempel 1 (if not THE most important discovery, not solely for this HDDesign material but for everything else for that matter) , is the discovery of this specific Pi-based Design, which is unique for HDDesign and has already unveiled many hidden underlying intelligent correlations in our reality.

...

I want to remind you that no one here is interested in your story telling, your "intuition" or what you think is who's "responsibility". Just the dates, events, orbital periods and exact calculations used, if you please. A tabular form would also be beneficial.

[Daylightstar]

... I have a very high personal standard ....

No Dutch, you don't.
Quite the opposite actually, as you have shown throughout this thread.

[Daylightstar]

... let's stay tuned this time

It would be better if you were turned off.

[dafydd]

last time I checked these moon impacts were actual events and so are the given mathematical correlations in between them.


The impacts were real, your correlations are imaginary. How did HDD stimulate humanity to cause these impacts?

[dafydd]

do you think I make these events up?


The events were real, you made up HDD.

[Dutch]

I want to remind you that no one here is interested in your story telling, your "intuition" or what you think is who's "responsibility". Just the dates, events, orbital periods and exact calculations used, if you please. A tabular form would also be beneficial.

Hey man is calling in,

I see you haven't perceived the intelligent correlations that are given.

I trully wonder what you guys are trying to achieve here

HDDesign is strongly unveiling hidden intelligent correlations in our reality and yet you refuse to respond on the actual information that is shared here.

HDDesign is stronger than any lie, it goes beyond our 'normal perception'of reality, but when I give you something to really think about, you guys take the escaperoute by meaningless responses.

Give your comments on the lunar impacts man....
And show for once that I have to take you serious

[Dutch]

No Dutch, you don't.
Quite the opposite actually, as you have shown throughout this thread.

I dare to differ, as everybody who knows me will confirm

[Dutch]

It would be better if you were turned off.

Can't stand the truth?

[dafydd]

Can't stand the truth?

Give us some truth and we'll see if we can stand it.

[dafydd]

I see you haven't perceived the intelligent correlations that are given.



We have seen no intelligent correlations.

[Dutch]

The impacts were real, your correlations are imaginary. How did HDD stimulate humanity to cause these impacts?

Are you saying that the math is invalid? Not based on this same ( and very simple in it's essence ) Pi- based Design?

first thing first

[dafydd]

Are you saying that the math is invalid? Not based on this same ( and very simple in it's essence ) Pi- based Design?

first thing first

Answer my question first. How does HDD stimulate humanity to cause these events? As for the math, better mathematicians than I have shown you that it is gibberish.

[Daylightstar]

I dare to differ, as everybody who knows me will confirm

That's nice, but your conduct in this thread does not agree with you.

[Daylightstar]

Can't stand the truth?

It's not "truth", it's noice.

[Daylightstar]

Are you saying that the math is invalid? Not based on this same ( and very simple in it's essence ) Pi- based Design?

first thing first
The "math" in your case is indeed invalid. It means nothing. You have not been able to show a 'Pi based' design to be realistic, with your wishy washy meaningless non calculations.

[dafydd]

Dutch, have you ever thought of letting a mathematician check your figures?

[Dutch]

Answer my question first. How does HDD stimulate humanity to cause these events? As for the math, better mathematicians than I have shown you that it is gibberish.

In your dreams perhaps, or show me

[Dutch]

I was talking about the math in my previous post

[dafydd]

I was talking about the math in my previous post

Talking about it, but not showing it. How does HDD force humanity into carrying out actions? Be honest and answer.

[Dutch]

Dutch, have you ever thought of letting a mathematician check your figures?

Well,

Basically the orbital periods are just numbers and in a sense Phi and Pi too.
So it's not that difficult, so I think any child above aged twelve could do the job. I'm willing to help you if you can't wrap your mind around it though.

[dafydd]

In your dreams perhaps, or show me

It has already been shown to you many times over the past six years but the Dunning-Kruger effect prevents you from understanding.

[dafydd]

so I think any child above aged twelve could do the job. I'm willing to help you if you can't wrap your mind around it though.

There is nothing to understand.

[Dutch]

Talking about it, but not showing it. How does HDD force humanity into carrying out actions? Be honest and answer.
I can't recall I have ever said that humanity is forced to do anything and I strongly object to that thought

[The Man]

Hey man is calling in,

I see you haven't perceived the intelligent correlations that are given.

I trully wonder what you guys are trying to achieve here

HDDesign is strongly unveiling hidden intelligent correlations in our reality and yet you refuse to respond on the actual information that is shared here.

HDDesign is stronger than any lie, it goes beyond our 'normal perception'of reality, but when I give you something to really think about, you guys take the escaperoute by meaningless responses.

Give your comments on the lunar impacts man....
And show for once that I have to take you serious

If your intent was to address these remarks to me then I simply ask you again to please try harder Dutch.

[dafydd]

I can't recall I have ever said that humanity is forced to do anything and I strongly object to that thought

How did HDD arrange the Moon impacts to fit in with your ''maths''? And why are you the only person on the planet who believes in HDD?

[Dutch]

The "math" in your case is indeed invalid. It means nothing. You have not been able to show a 'Pi based' design to be realistic, with your wishy washy meaningless non calculations.

So these events did'n't happen at the specific Pi-points as outlined?

Write a science paper, you have just debunked mathematical constants that we all agreed upon to be real

[Dutch]

Talking about it, but not showing it.
Do you really want me to repost the calculations here? They are available for review and you should have given it a look before you came to the conclusion that you thought it would be suitable to post your remarks.

And when I do so, if I repost the calculations here, would it change your mind?

Be honest, you're stuck

[dafydd]

So these events did'n't happen at the specific Pi-points as outlined?



The events happened, but the Pi-points are tosh, your invention with no basis in reality. Things happen all the time, but you cherry -pick a few to fit your crackpot ''theory''.

[Dutch]

It's not "truth", it's noice.

choice

[dafydd]

Be honest, you're stuck

Stuck? I have not the slightest interest in your HDD fantasy, this thread is amusing, that's all.

[The Man]

I was talking about the math in my previous post

If this is the "previous post" you are referring to…

I want to remind you that it's all there so you can do your own 'research'.

Unfortunately, again it becomes clear that people don't really try to understand it. I will walk you through the process and I will do the thinking, because you don't seem to be able to get there on your own.

When NASA announced on December 13 that the Grail twin probes will crash on the moon on december 17, I instantly had to think about Deep Impact on comet tempel 1 on July 4, 2005, which is playing such a major role in this HDDesign 'research' as you all should know.

One of the most important discoveries in relation to this deep Impact on comet Tempel 1 (if not THE most important discovery, not solely for this HDDesign material but for everything else for that matter) , is the discovery of this specific Pi-based Design, which is unique for HDDesign and has already unveiled many hidden underlying intelligent correlations in our reality.

...


…it contains no math. So how about it Dutch? If you want to talk about your math or honestly claim there is some math “in” your posts then you are going to have to show your, well, math in your posts.

[Dutch]

It has already been shown to you many times over the past six years but the Dunning-Kruger effect prevents you from understanding.

I doubt that the Dunning-Kruger effect has an altering influence on basical math

[dafydd]

I doubt that the Dunning-Kruger effect has an altering influence on basical math

No, but it has an effect on you. Show us the math so the mathematicians can point out your mistakes to you yet again.

[Dutch]

There is nothing to understand.

that's why I'm helping you my dear

[dafydd]

If this is the "previous post" you are referring to…




…it contains no math. So how about it Dutch? If you want to talk about your math or honestly claim there is some math “in” your posts then you are going to have to show your, well, math in your posts.

I only have O level maths, but even I can detect no maths in Dutch's post.

[dafydd]

that's why I'm helping you my dear

I'm not your dear, and I need no help from you, rather vice versa.

[Dutch]

I see that the most essential post of mine today has already been altered/deleted by moderators. No surprise. fortunately man has quoted it. Thanks man !

[Dutch]

If your intent was to address these remarks to me then I simply ask you again to please try harder Dutch.

yes honestly, it was meant for you.

[dafydd]

I see that the most essential post of mine today has already been altered/deleted by moderators. No surprise. fortunately man has quoted it. Thanks man !

Yes, thanks. We can all see that it contains no math, just some old news. Less than impressive.

[Dutch]

I have to walk on eggs I suppose...already 4 posts removed by now....

Do you guys also have this problem?

[dafydd]

I have to walk on eggs I suppose...already 4 posts removed by now....

Do you guys also have this problem?

Sometimes. I have had lots of posts moved to AAH. It's not called that for nothing.

[Dutch]

Oke, this seems to be the post that causes the problem ( although initially posted here ):
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=18532&mforum=hddesign#18532

you can login with 'reader' password 'reader' while you are there, you might learn something:)

[The Man]

I have to walk on eggs I suppose...already 4 posts removed by now....

You suppose wrong.


Do you guys also have this problem?

Nope and I certainly don’t “walk on eggs”, however what I also don’t do is violate the MA.

How about that math Dutch?

[dafydd]

Oke, this seems to be the post that causes the problem ( although initially posted here ):
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=18532&mforum=hddesign#18532

you can login with 'reader' password 'reader' while you are there, you might learn something:)

There is no maths there and the only thing that I learned is that the webpage is pure gibberish.

[The Man]

yes honestly, it was meant for you.

In that case it should be no problem for you, Dutch, to simply refer to me by my username or failing that as just "you" or "your" in reference to some post of mine you have quoted. Deliberately trying to refer to me by any name you would simply prefer is just going to get me to ask you again to please try harder. Because, in case you haven't figured it out yet, it is not incumbent on anyone to figure out who if anyone or what you mean when you deliberately miss-address your posts.

[Dutch]

There must be others that have seen their posts deleted, because when I return the board looks different...it's like talking to a ghost:)
My deleted posts are logged though, for who is interested in the section 'ongoing hddesign threads', thread 'JREF Forum' at the HDDesign forum

[Dutch]

How did HDD arrange the Moon impacts to fit in with your ''maths''? And why are you the only person on the planet who believes in HDD?

I shall pick it up from here

Arrange?

The moon impacts happened as they happened and the math is what it is.

If i would be the only person on the planet to see this, i would have been te only one to apply simple math

[Dutch]

If this is the "previous post" you are referring to…




…it contains no math. So how about it Dutch? If you want to talk about your math or honestly claim there is some math “in” your posts then you are going to have to show your, well, math in your posts.

As you know man, the math is realtime logged on the timeline

[The Man]

As you know man, the math is realtime logged on the timeline

Please try harder Dutch.

[Dutch]

Who's still online?

I need to know to who to addres what I have to say now.

please just call in by a reply

[Dutch]

Nobody dares?

[dafydd]

Nobody dares?

Nobody cares.

[Dutch]

Cowards,

i just wanted to do a little experiment.

It would have been very easy for all of you since you have studied the HDDesign material.

I think one should provide the proper answer in less than a minute

The only thing I want to know is this:

You have all read about the HDdesign Pi-based Design and ofcourse you have reviewed this in relation to the lunar impacts as I have given you the opportunity today.

Yet, some of you still thought to ridicule it, so here's a little question:

Let's take a timeline of 1000 days, which 2 days are the Pi-points?

The first one to answer with the proper answer has got my respect, those who remain silent, especially longer than I would have expected at this moment, will have to scratch their heads.

[Dutch]

Ha Dafydd!!

You have got 2 minutes

[jsfisher]

@Dutch,

There used to be a forum member by the name of George R. Simpson. George is a very special person, just like you, dedicated to unraveling the secrets of our life on Earth.

His approach was a little different than yours, but it had the same underlying path to find truth. For George, the cosmic forces are encoded in the very language we use for our every-day communication, English. George has spent several decades deducing a set of rules he uses to decipher these incredible messages invisible to most.

Often the messages George reveals are mundane and of little interest, but there are significant exceptions. As George clearly and explicitly showed, Sandy Hook encoded all the details of its own recent horror.

Many consider George to be a crackpot, an absolute nutcase, but as he reminds us, his translations prove otherwise. You are a lot like George; I hope you can see that.

There are differences, though. George has documented all of this translation rules; anyone can duplicated his efforts if so inclined. George also shows all the steps he takes in applying those rules to produce his translations. Perhaps you could be a little more like George.

[dafydd]

Ha Dafydd!!

You have got 2 minutes

You've got the rest of your life. Use it wisely and forget this HDD hooey.

[Daylightstar]

choice

hehehe .... your choice.

Your choice = noice.

[dafydd]

Let's take a timeline of 1000 days, which 2 days are the Pi-points?



I have pie about once a week.

[Dutch]

@jsfisher,

I have never heard of this guy George, but assure you that I'm interested.
My experience is, that there are many more free thinkers out there that are hitting on the same fundamental truth, although from a completely different perspective. Often these 'contributions' seem complementary to the bigger picture. there are many roads that leads to Rome, is something we say here in The Netherlands. You understand what I mean.
It is interesting what you say about the English language, because thats the only language I find confirmation sometimes when I try to decipher symbolism or use anagrams. It doesn't work in my native language.

Is his material still available on this forum, or elsewhere perhaps?

I really would like to give it a look.

Regards,
Dutch

[dafydd]

Is his material still available on this forum, or elsewhere perhaps?

I really would like to give it a look.



Strap up your ribs first, the thread is hilarious. George was the crackpot's crackpot.

[Daylightstar]

I have to walk on eggs I suppose...already 4 posts removed by now....

Do you guys also have this problem?

Those eggs are probably those empty (egg) shells you throw around.
You do not offer opportunities, you offer empty shells.
You don't have the goods you're trying to sell. In that sense you're a fraud.

Not a problem for us if you want to step on them, go right ahead, go crazy.
http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=718&pictureid=4788

[Daylightstar]

Oke, this seems to be the post that causes the problem ( although initially posted here ):
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=18532&mforum=hddesign#18532

you can login with 'reader' password 'reader' while you are there, you might learn something:)

Nah, it's not meaningful to go there and waste time on it.

[Daylightstar]

There must be others that have seen their posts deleted, because when I return the board looks different...it's like talking to a ghost:)
My deleted posts are logged though, for who is interested in the section 'ongoing hddesign threads', thread 'JREF Forum' at the HDDesign forum

You can of course post this whole thread over on your own forum if you like. Yeah, maybe you should do that, Dutch.

Three times if you like.

You can even do it through multiple edits, if you like. You know how to edit a post multiple times, don't you Dutch?

[dafydd]

''So when I heard about this upcomming impact on the moon i was at work, thought about Deep Impact on comet Tempel 1 and remembered that I've already discovered intelligent correlations based on this specific Pi-based Design in relation to earlier moon impacts.''

You still haven't explained how Pi based design caused scientists to launch the spacecraft at just the right time to fit into your HDD. You don't see a problem there? Does The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy mean anything to you?

[Daylightstar]

Nobody cares.

:D

[dafydd]

I like this one.

''October 20, 2012 - Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron key date at macrolevel orientation . 'traditionally' linked to US-Korea and/or China-Taiwan(US) tension. According to Goro Orange alignment Mercury-Sun-venus, with Earth at 90 degrees. In case of Earthchange event 'inwelling' around HD Tetrahedron followed by an 'outwelling' within the next few days ''

You get an outwelling if you drink too much Grolsch.

[dafydd]

Has anybody noticed any Earthchanges recently?

[dafydd]

As you know man, the math is realtime logged on the timeline

No it isn't, I've just read your whole site and there are no calculations, merely bare assertion.

[Dutch]

So you aren't able to give a proper answer to this simple question Dafydd and daylightstar?

What does that tell us? You have never tried to understand what I have been trying to tell you, but yet you think to have your opinion about it.

That's your problem but it doesn't harm anyone ( or maybe it does, but that would be a bridge too far )

You just like to hear yourselves talk, nothing essential to contribute .

I'm pretty much done with you sometimes, but for the sake of mankind and your sub-consciouss perceptive, I still embrace you as a partner in my quest.

[dafydd]

So you aren't able to give a proper answer to this simple question Dafydd and daylightstar?



Here's the answer. There are no Pi points in a 1000 or 100000 or 10000000 days. They are a figment of your imagination. Why would you consider me a partner? I would be ashamed to be associated with a crackpot idea like HDD.

[Daylightstar]

... Perhaps you could be a little more like George.

Did George also claim to perform a psychic exercise?

Dutch did:

... It is a psychic exercise yes, ...
... Also, I am still waiting for you to tell us whether your HDD is really a psychic exercise in the first place.yes, ...
... indeed it is a psychic exercise. ...

[dafydd]

That's your problem but it doesn't harm anyone ( or maybe it does, but that would be a bridge too far )



How can knowing that HDD is nonsense harm anyone?

[Daylightstar]

I like this one.

''October 20, 2012 - Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron key date at macrolevel orientation . 'traditionally' linked to US-Korea and/or China-Taiwan(US) tension. According to Goro Orange alignment Mercury-Sun-venus, with Earth at 90 degrees. In case of Earthchange event 'inwelling' around HD Tetrahedron followed by an 'outwelling' within the next few days ''

You get an outwelling if you drink too much Grolsch.
It seems to me that HDDBS is an inwelling on it's own ....