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Dutch
6th June 2008, 10:35 PM
I wrote:
This weekend's Venus Transit midpoint is also a 'Kennedy timeframe' with Mercury 'The Messnger' marking Joseph jr's death.
and a 'Kennedy timeframe' it is: in the face:
New RFK funeral train photos
A funeral train brought Robert F. Kennedy's body to Washington. Unseen photos of the journey were recently discovered.
watch the video here:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/06/06/rfk.something.happening.here.cnn

Paul
7th June 2008, 03:40 AM
Is that the best justification you can find?

My idea must be right because some old photographs were in the news.


By the way, the book was originally published around 1999, so the only thing new here is the addition of a few more photographs.

Paulhoff
7th June 2008, 05:14 AM
Is that the best justification you can find?

My idea must be right because some old photographs were in the news.


By the way, the book was originally published around 1999, so the only thing new here is the addition of a few more photographs.
But but but, they are new photographs, the planets are moving for something other then their path around the Sun, geeeee.

Paul

:) :) :)

And what about that teacup orbiting between the Sun and Mercury.

Dutch
7th June 2008, 07:00 AM
I would keep an eye on the timeline instead

Paul
7th June 2008, 07:26 AM
But you don't appear to have anything better to do, certainly not responding the actual points raised.

The Man
7th June 2008, 08:08 AM
I talk about geometrical positions in relation to the orbit around the Sun, the hart of our Hyper Dimensional system ( as I see it). The shape of the orbit is irrelevant, aswell as the actual location in space. Its the relative position that counts, degrees translated into earth days

This is not about astrology, its about geometry


But it is the shape of the orbit that determines how many degrees of its orbit Mercury will transverse in any give span of Earth days. Mercury has a mean orbital velocity of 48 km / sec, which means its average orbital velocity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keplers_law



A line joining a planet and the sun sweeps out equal areas during equal intervals of time as the planet travels along its orbit. This means that the planet travels faster while close to the sun and slows down when it is farther from the sun. With his law, Kepler rejected the Aristotelean astronomical theory that planets have uniform velocity.


So, the more elliptical the orbit the greater the variation in orbital velocity during that orbit or the greater the variation in the orbital degrees a body (like Mercury) will transverse in a given span of earth days, or hours, or minutes. Unless of course you claim the precise timing of events and “triggers” are always exact whole orbits apart, which would require precise times of the events and "triggers" as well a specific knowledge of the position of mercury in its orbit at both the event and the “trigger” since any difference in the exact timing can have varying implications as to the number of degrees traversed my Mercury during that period depending on where it is in its orbit.

Paulhoff
7th June 2008, 04:55 PM
SPOCK to Captain Kirk

He's intelligent, but not experienced.

His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking...

Paul

:) :) :)

The intelligent part is up for grabs here.

Dutch
8th June 2008, 04:37 AM
The Man,

The 3D shape is irrelevant, aswell as the positions in relation to the background in space. Its the Geometry that counts , regardless the shape of an orbit.
We have gone through this BAUT forum, until the forum rules were changed giving you 30 days to 'prove' the theory.

Yes how smart indeed

I think you better read the threads at baut first

Paul
8th June 2008, 04:44 AM
Or, you could just explain what you mean by geometry, as it's obviously not what we understand by the term.

Paulhoff
8th June 2008, 06:14 AM
Its the Geometry that counts , regardless the shape of an orbit.
There is no Geometry that does depend on shape, none none and none.

Geometry (Greek γεωμετρία; geo = earth, metria = measure) is a part of mathematics concerned with questions of size, shape, and relative position of figures and with properties of space.

Find a new word to use.

Paul

:) :) :)

The Man
8th June 2008, 06:50 AM
The Man,

The 3D shape is irrelevant, aswell as the positions in relation to the background in space. Its the Geometry that counts , regardless the shape of an orbit.
We have gone through this BAUT forum, until the forum rules were changed giving you 30 days to 'prove' the theory.

Yes how smart indeed

I think you better read the threads at baut first


Regardless of what you might choose to call geometry, you have stated that you relate (or translate) the degrees transversed in the orbit into a number of Earth days.

I talk about geometrical positions in relation to the orbit around the Sun, the hart of our Hyper Dimensional system ( as I see it). The shape of the orbit is irrelevant, aswell as the actual location in space. Its the relative position that counts, degrees translated into earth days

This is not about astrology, its about geometry


Since the number of degrees transversed per unit time is not constant and depends on the position in the orbit, so does the number of days those degrees being transversed will require (or translate to). As Paulhoff said geometry is about shape and your misapplication of the term Geometry appears to be reason why you assert that shape (and therefore Geometry) is irrelevant to your theory in which “Its the Geometry that counts”. With that no one needs more the 30 seconds to see that you are talking out the other end of your Geometry.

I think you better read some books on Geometry

orange31
8th June 2008, 07:06 AM
I would keep an eye on the timeline instead

The problem is the timeline is always in hindsight, which lets one believe whatever he prefers to believe (a source of great strength but also great tragedy for the human race).

Let me illustrate with the "pattern" of the deaths of 18 people, with some connections to the JFK assasination, within a few years later- in hindsight the odds of predicting it were impossibly high, which some took as evidence of a pattern- ie, they were murdered because they were part or knew of a conspiracy.

Umpteen Trillion to One Odds?
The conspiracy literature occasionally still quotes a supposed study done by the London Sunday Times which found that "the odds against these [assassination] witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one." The House Select Committee on Assassinations asked the newspaper where they got that number. The paper replied with the following letter.
The Editor has passed me your letter of 25th April.
Our piece about the odds against the deaths of the Kennedy witnesses was, I regret to say, based on a careless journalistic mistake and should not have been published. This was realized by The Sunday Times' editorial staff after the first edition — the one which goes to the United States and which I believe you have — had gone out, and later editions were amended.

There was no question of our actuary having got his answer wrong. It was simply that we asked him the wrong question. He was asked what were the odds against 15 named people out of the population of the United States dying within a short period of time to which he replied — correctly — that they were very high. However, if one asks what are the odds against 15 of those included in the Warren Commission index dying within a given period, the answer is, of course, that they are much lower. Our mistake was to treat the reply to the former question as if it dealt with the latter — hence the fundamental error in our first edition report, for which we apologize.

None of the editorial staff involved in this story can remember the name of the actuary we consulted, but in view of what happened you will, I imagine, agree that his identity is hardly material.

Yours sincerely,
Antony Whitaker,
Legal Manager.
(4 HSCA 464-65)

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/deaths.htm

Dutch
9th June 2008, 05:09 AM
With shape is irrelevant I mean that the HD Platonic solid based keydates are based on Platonic Geometry ( originating from outside our 3D reality), but that they loose their 'shape' when translated into Eartdays.

regardless the shape of an orbit, it takes +/- 1 earthday for mercury to fulfill 1 orbit within 87.969 days, even if the orbit would be a square

Paulhoff
9th June 2008, 05:36 AM
regardless the shape of an orbit, it takes +/- 1 earthday for mercury to fulfill 1 orbit within 87.969 days, even if the orbit would be a square
The orbit can't be square and what does mercury have to do with anything. You haven't predicted anything, and you have only reported cherry-point news. You have not shown any so-called design except to show your limited understanding of how things work.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
9th June 2008, 06:08 AM
With shape is irrelevant I mean that the HD Platonic solid based keydates are based on Platonic Geometry ( originating from outside our 3D reality), but that they loose their 'shape' when translated into Eartdays.What on earth (or not , in your case) are you going on about?

'Geometry' which originates outside reality, doesn't rely on actual geometry inside reality, and which you refuse to provide any evidence for?

regardless the shape of an orbit, it takes +/- 1 earthday for mercury to fulfill 1 orbit within 87.969 days, even if the orbit would be a squareSo you know the length of Mercury's orbit, so what? The point is that you fail to account for variations which mean that the position of Mercury changes by a variable amount depending on the previously given circumstances.

The Man
9th June 2008, 08:04 AM
With shape is irrelevant I mean that the HD Platonic solid based keydates are based on Platonic Geometry ( originating from outside our 3D reality), but that they loose their 'shape' when translated into Eartdays.

regardless the shape of an orbit, it takes +/- 1 earthday for mercury to fulfill 1 orbit within 87.969 days, even if the orbit would be a square

Well it certainly appears as if most of this theory of yours originates from outside of reality. If you would like to consider reality then 360 degrees divided by 87.969 days gives about +/- 4.1 degrees of orbit transversed by Mercury in +/- 1 earth day. However with an eccentricity of .208 and a semi-major axis of 5.79 X 1010 meters the actual degrees transversed in any given Earth day can vary anywhere from 7.21 to 0.97. In other words your +/- 1 day at the position (closest to the sun) in Mercury’s orbit would equate to +/- 7.42 days on the other side (furthest from the sun) of that orbit. If you are just going with the average 4.1 degrees per day then +/- 1 day can equate to anywhere from +/- 0.6 days to +/- 4.2 days depending on where Mercury is in its orbit when you start counting orbits. Reality makes things a lot harder to explain then hyper dimensions outside of reality.

orange31
9th June 2008, 06:45 PM
This thread is dedicated to the search for indications of hidden underlying multidimensional design just underneath the surface of our familiar 3-dimensional reality.

During the last couple of years I have developed methods of research in order to try to identfy these indications. Because it's always easy to elaborate on correlations after the fact, I will focus on anticipations prior to the monitored events days in order to give a deeper meaning to the described Design.


The original post from february 2007(Italics and sizing mine, text unchanged)

personally, exit stage left.

Dutch
10th June 2008, 04:45 AM
Have you guys read the explanations given at Baut forum and the HDDesign forum or not? obviously its not clear what my point of perspective is. HD Physics has everything to do with rotation and what i do is 'translating'it in our perception of time. The actual 3 D location is irrelevant, the relative position is.

Please go through the material

Dutch
10th June 2008, 04:46 AM
The original post from february 2007(Italics and sizing mine, text unchanged)

personally, exit stage left.

Well, you shopuld monitor the timelines at HDDesign forum, obviously you haven't

Paulhoff
10th June 2008, 05:44 AM
Have you guys read the explanations given at Baut forum and the HDDesign forum or not? obviously its not clear what my point of perspective is. HD Physics has everything to do with rotation and what i do is 'translating'it in our perception of time. The actual 3 D location is irrelevant, the relative position is.

Please go through the material
Read the misinformation, yes.

Paul

:) :) :)

orange31
10th June 2008, 06:05 AM
Well, you should monitor the timelines at HDDesign forum, obviously you haven't


I checked them out, the thread description is accurate-

Identifying possible triggerevents
"Possible triggerevents can be posted here and if indeed a timecoded pattern will emerge or related events will follow, than the information here can be used in seperate threads. So there's no need to put things into perspective here, just post the events that seem important somehow."

Again, the inability to predict a specific event in the future makes this endeavor as a belief system - a kind of religion - not science. That's ok, just call it what it is.

Paul
10th June 2008, 06:07 AM
obviously its not clear what my point of perspective is.Obviously, but if you refuse to explain, what can we do?

HD Physics has everything to do with rotation and what i do is 'translating'it in our perception of time.Rotation of what? And if it needs translating to our 'time', where does this rotation occur?

The actual 3 D location is irrelevant, the relative position is.What is the difference?

Please go through the materialYou're posting here, we're here to start with, the relevant material belongs here.*



*(note the stress on relevant, this is not an invitation to spam the forum with vast oceans of pointlessness)

The Man
10th June 2008, 02:18 PM
Have you guys read the explanations given at Baut forum and the HDDesign forum or not? obviously its not clear what my point of perspective is. HD Physics has everything to do with rotation and what i do is 'translating'it in our perception of time. The actual 3 D location is irrelevant, the relative position is.

Please go through the material


But that is my point, the rotational accuracy of your post occurrence translations, if you are only using the whole number of orbits of mercury then your resolution or accuracy is +/- 1 orbit or +/- 88 earth days. If you want to claim some greater correlation or accuracy in your post hoc translations then you must be more realistically accurate in those translations, making the related orbital positions of Mercury and the timing of the events very relevant. I think you have made your “point of perspective” abundantly clear here. You can add up the number of orbits of Mercury between two events that have already happened but can not (or do not choose to) do it to any degree of accuracy other then +/- one orbit (or even realistically discuss that rotational translational accuracy), I am amazed

Dutch
12th June 2008, 01:13 AM
During the timeframe around March 23, 2008, the 911 ( HD Tetrahedron) Golden Mean Phi-based timecoded spiral 9/11 - Madrid bombings 'expired' in our perception of time.

As you can read in the 'breaking the code' thread, 9/11 in combination with Phi Golden mean and/or the end of the Mayan Calendar seem to unveil the most profound underlying themes of the Design of our times, at least that's how I see it.

like for instance the pioneer missions, with Pioneer 10 becomming the first manmade object to leave the solar system, intelligently connected to 9/11 and the end of the Mayan Calendar via Phi Golden Mean. The Design is beautiful: earlier we have seen a 6 times 911 ( HD Tetrahedron) = 5466 base element of Design, here we see a 6 times 1111 awakenings timeframe:

June 12, 1983 (+/- 1day):

Pioneer 10 becomes the first manmade object to leave the solar system.

June 12, 1983 - September 11, 2001 = 6666 days

6666 / Phi golden Mean gives the end of the Mayan Calendar

so in fact 9/11 was Phi point between Pioneer 10 leaving our solarsystem and the end of the Mayan Calendar

Going back to the 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral 9/11 - Madrid.

When this spiral expired writer Arthur C Clarke died.

Arthur C Clarke: predictions
The imagination of the science fiction author Sir Arthur C Clarke bubbled over with ideas about the future of science, technology and human society. Here, BBC science and technology staff look at some that came true, and some that did not:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7304852.stm

Arthur C Clarke:
"Gamma ray bursts are sudden outbursts of energy - several times more powerful than the sun - which may suddenly occur," he elucidated.
"If it happens during any of our lifetimes, we have all had it. I think that such a phenomenon may have affected evolution and if it happens again, there is nothing we can do about it.

look what happened when he died:

Star explodes halfway across universe!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/03/21/exploding.star.ap/index.html

March 19, 2008 - An exploding star halfway across the visible universe becomes the farthest known object ever visible to the naked eye

The significance of this event became clear to me yesterday, by synchronicity: by 'coincidence' an event crossed my path that unveiled the hidden underlying design instantly:

February 12, 2001 - The NEAR Shoemaker spacecraft touches down in the "saddle" region of 433 Eros, becoming the first spacecraft to land on an asteroid.

First thought of course is 'Deep Impact' on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005

February 12, 2001 - July 4, 2005 / Phi Golden Mean gives March 20, 2008 ( +/- 1day).

Eros landing - 'Deep impact' at Phi point - exploding Star at end of 9/11 spiral

Just like the planets and moons, comet Temple I is part of our Hyper Dimensional solarsystem, so its NOT a good idea to hit comet Temple I like that, at least that's what I think the Design is showing.

"Stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power"

Dutch
12th June 2008, 02:13 AM
I checked them out, the thread description is accurate-

Identifying possible triggerevents
"Possible triggerevents can be posted here and if indeed a timecoded pattern will emerge or related events will follow, than the information here can be used in seperate threads. So there's no need to put things into perspective here, just post the events that seem important somehow."

Again, the inability to predict a specific event in the future makes this endeavor as a belief system - a kind of religion - not science. That's ok, just call it what it is.

You are taking a part of the forum that has been set up to post some 'interesting' events. I don't know how or when a timecoded pattern event emerges, but the first step is to identify the marker events like 9/11 etc.

This part of the forum is not on the main HDDesign forum and only used for possible references. I don't do much with this part of the forum anyway, because emerging patterns normally pop up instantly and are used on the main forum directly.
What I do isn't science nor religion. I don't do exact predictions, I do try to identify timecoded patterns that will express specific underlying themes at specific moments in our perspective of time

Dutch
12th June 2008, 02:16 AM
Paul,

I am posting at dozens of forums and have very little time to post lately ( new job and little kids). I can't affort to explain everything again and again from the beginning. The threads at BAUT forum are a good start to make it easier to understand

Dutch
12th June 2008, 02:27 AM
The Man,

I tyhink we have a misunderstanding. I normally use a +/- 1 Earthday timeframe around a monitored events day. When this timeframe corresponds with a complete orbit of the planets I consider the planet to be at the same relative position, 365.242 for Earth, 87.969 for Mercury, 224.68etc. for Venus etc. When I use Platonic solid based HD 'shapes' or Phi there's no spiral visible in our 3D reality, nor any Platonic solid. that's because of the geometric coorelations loose shape in our dimensions as they are 'pushed into the orbits of rotational bodies in our HD solarsytem.
How do you tell Kaku's carp that there's a whole world outside the pond? and yet this world is causing cycles in the pond.
The geometrical correlations remain, but they loose shape so to speak

The Man
12th June 2008, 06:43 AM
Again, precisely my point, +/- one earth day corresponds to one orbit less in some locations within that orbit then in others. What do you consider corresponding to one orbit the maximum, minimum or average angular distance from that complete orbit within +/- one day? It appears that you do not in fact translate degrees of an orbit to earth days but the entire orbit to earth days, so your resolution is +/- one orbit and that corresponding number of days.

orange31
12th June 2008, 10:01 AM
...What I do isn't science nor religion. I don't do exact predictions, I do try to identify timecoded patterns that will express specific underlying themes at specific moments in our perspective of time

Respectfully, what you are doing is very much like a religion.
Think about it: no religion has obvious demonstrable proof of their god sitting up on top of a mountain or beaming messages from space, etc - all religion is a matter of 'faith' - and all religion is in hindsight - Jesus, Abraham, Mohammed, Buddha - there's always a historical figure (many times a real one) who 30-300 years later has mythological characteristics ascribed to him after the fact. How different is that from the above retrospective associations?

Paulhoff
12th June 2008, 11:04 AM
Paul,

I am posting at dozens of forums and have very little time to post lately ( new job and little kids). I can't affort to explain everything again and again from the beginning. The threads at BAUT forum are a good start to make it easier to understand
You have not, not, not, and not explained anything the first time thru.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
12th June 2008, 11:35 AM
Just so we have full coverage of Pauls:
Paul,

I am posting at dozens of forums and have very little time to post lately ( new job and little kids). I can't affort to explain everything again and again from the beginning. The threads at BAUT forum are a good start to make it easier to understandAgainst my better judgement I read some of the BAUT stuff, and your forums, and it doesn't help at all.

It does, however, help to explain the possible roots of all this; pareidolia and belief in psychic phenomena.

sts60
12th June 2008, 12:37 PM
Discovery crew relaxes, prepares for return after successful mission, adding Japanese Kibo module to International Space Station. (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html)

GLAST (Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope) successfully lifts off into orbit. (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/main/index.html)

Phoenix Mars Lander begins analyzing first soil sample. (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/)

"Stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power"

I come back every now and then and look at Dutch's latest. It's always good for a laugh. But this line is still the funniest of all.

For those of you who are new to this thread since I last posted here (ending on page 13) - where I showed, among other things, that Dutch's "system" relies on systematically incorrect intervals, uses meaningless accuracy figures, cannot account for natural events of far larger magnitudes than his arbitrarily-chosen manmade ones, ascribes equal significance to the date an event actually occurs and to the date any given article is published about that event, and literally cannot distinguish significant events from insignificant ones - I thought I'd just present a little summary of the success record of U.S. nuclear power in space. After all, if we take both "major themes" and combine them, that's pretty important, right?

22 successful launches with 23 spacecraft containing 41 radioisotope generators, starting with Transit 4A in 1961 and with the most recent being Pluto-New Horizons in 2006. Every single one functioned exactly as designed. Voyager 1 and 2 are still going strong after 31 years; Cassini is still exploring Saturn; New Horizons roared past Jupiter last year on its way to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt.

3 aborted missions with 3 spacecraft containing 4 RTGs. In each case, the launch vehicle or other part of the spacecraft malfunctioned, and the RTGs reentered; and in each case, the generator/heat source performed exactly as designed.

There have also been well over two hundred isotope heater units launched, including several on the three solar-powered Mars rovers launched to date. Again, every one of them has performed exactly as designed. (The RHUs aboard Spirit and Opportunity have played a major role in keeping them alive so long past their design lifetimes.)

The U.S. has also launched one nuclear reactor (SNAP-10A) into space, which operated for about a month before an unrelated spacecraft failure caused the reactor to shut down automatically. Again, the unit functioned exactly as designed.

I post this only for the interest of those on the thread who may not have read back to what I wrote earlier, and who might have wondered what dire results would arise if one combined two "major themes" warning against space travel and nuclear power. It's a giggle; he literally wound up trying to rewrite the definition of "success". Poor Dutch. A nice man, evidently, but too heavily invested in his astronumerology to admit it's nothing more than word salad.

Dutch
12th June 2008, 11:22 PM
It appears that you do not in fact translate degrees of an orbit to earth days but the entire orbit to earth days, so your resolution is +/- one orbit and that corresponding number of days.


The Man,

I shouldn't have used the term degrees, I did that in an effort to emphasize that the actual 3D location or shape of an orbit is irrelevant. I use the number of Earthdays the orbits take, regardless the actual positions of the planets or the background ( as in astrology )

The monitored events day is 'leading' so to speak, the other positions of planets are determined based on the number of Earth days it take to complete an orbit, or to be at the same relative position on their orbits.

The monitored events day is extended by +/- 1 day as the timeframe that correspond with the given 'geometrical' correlations. This timeframe is probably way to rigid but is necessarry to try to understand the patterns.

Take Reagan's death for instance, he died just before the Venus transit and was buried soon after. Than you talk about 5 or 6 days, while the actual transit only takes an hour or so?

This +/- 1 day is a limitation that is too rigid, but I stick to it as much as possible

Dutch
12th June 2008, 11:29 PM
Respectfully, what you are doing is very much like a religion.
Think about it: no religion has obvious demonstrable proof of their god sitting up on top of a mountain or beaming messages from space, etc - all religion is a matter of 'faith' - and all religion is in hindsight - Jesus, Abraham, Mohammed, Buddha - there's always a historical figure (many times a real one) who 30-300 years later has mythological characteristics ascribed to him after the fact. How different is that from the above retrospective associations?

obviously you have missed the examples in the material, like the exit of the Pope, Arafat, Milosevuc. The outbreak of the brithflu, 'the Srebrenica karma' events, the Hariri/Syria expectations prior to each HD date at macrolevel orientation.
This has nothing to do with religion, there's enough on the future timelines to get convinced

Dutch
12th June 2008, 11:42 PM
sts60,

You should come back more often than every now and then, or better: you should keep an eye on the timelines regularly.

As you can read in the material, accidents in space do bare the fingerprints of the described Design.

When I say "stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power" than I'm expressing the 2 deepest underlying themes of the Design of our times.

Nothing funny about this, you will come to understand the meaning of this

Paulhoff
13th June 2008, 05:59 AM
Dutch, you are delusional and you should get help, but then most people I know are delusional about something, often it is about some so-called god and nothing I can say will talk them out of that delusional either. The so-called patterns you see are only in you mind and nowhere else. You most likely have some at believe in you Hyper Dimensional Design, but only shows that like you they also need a non-random world and know little of how life is. You like most people need patterns and/or reasons in the random world we live in, you think you have found it, but it is not there. You have wasted a lot of time on this when you should have studied some good scientific books, but alas we seem to be wasting time on you. Good luck on your misunderstanding of things Dutch.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
14th June 2008, 02:09 AM
Well, you can call it what you want, but the timing of this blast is very profound and we should try to understand the message that is given

it happened Golden Mean based at the end of the 9/11 - madrid timecoded spiral aswel as Phi conncted with the first asteroid landing on Eros with 'Deep Imapct' on Temple I as Phipoint

this timeframe was already identified as a very significant timeframe and put on the timelines last year already

That is even withhout the Eros - Deep impact reference, that became clear just recently

If you don't open your mind and stay with your science books only, you will come to the conclusion that you have missed the opportunities that are given. Progress seems odd initially.
If you should know me in person, you would consider me very stable individual, far from delusional.

I understand these toughts and I don't blame you. You can't help it at the moment.

This material will change your perspective eventually

Paulhoff
14th June 2008, 05:54 AM
If you don't open your mind and stay with your science books only, you will come to the conclusion that you have missed the opportunities that are given. Progress seems odd initially.
If you should know me in person, you would consider me very stable individual, far from delusional.
You just don't understand, you have shown no real proofs, you only state things that have happened and make them you proofs, anybody, anybody can do the same thing. I can use any numbers in any combination and just look at the news and point to anything I want and say it is a connection to my numbers. You predict nothing, anything in the news can be you answer, you are deluding yourself, sorry.

You don't understand, but it is you that have the closed mind.

Paul

:) :) :)

Complexity
14th June 2008, 07:34 AM
Thank you all for keeping Dutch occupied and out of trouble.

Paulhoff
14th June 2008, 07:44 AM
Well, you can call it what you want, but the timing of this blast is very profound and we should try to understand the message that is given
Damn if this doesn't sound like believing in a so-called god. Please Dutch, what is the message, is it anything that you what it to be, so that you make some point about something that you believe in and you can use whatever you what has a proof to prove your belief. It only shows how you don't understand the universe. Dutch the universe doesn't care about you, humans, the earth, moon, sun etc, get over it.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paulhoff
14th June 2008, 07:46 AM
Thank you all for keeping Dutch occupied and out of trouble.
Dutch has kids, there is a lot of trouble right there, we can only hope that they can straighten Dutch out.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
14th June 2008, 07:53 AM
I shouldn't have used the term degrees, I did that in an effort to emphasize that the actual 3D location or shape of an orbit is irrelevant.Making geometry irrelevant.

I use the number of Earthdays the orbits take, regardless the actual positions of the planets or the background ( as in astrology )Making your system superstitious nonsense.

The monitored events day is 'leading' so to speak, the other positions of planets are determined based on the number of Earth days it take to complete an orbit, or to be at the same relative position on their orbits.Making no sense, as you already said the position of any body in space is irrelevant.

The monitored events day is extended by +/- 1 day as the timeframe that correspond with the given 'geometrical' correlations.An arbitrary figure which allows more apparent correlations but actually demonstrates the complete fabrication of the whole system.

This timeframe is probably way to rigid but is necessarry to try to understand the patterns.The precise point of alleged intersection with whatever it is that demonstrates a pattern would not be too rigid.

Take Reagan's death for instance, he died just before the Venus transit and was buried soon after.Making the transit completely irrelevant to Reagan.

Than you talk about 5 or 6 days, while the actual transit only takes an hour or so?You brought up the transit, it's your fault if you keep shooting yourself in the foot.

This +/- 1 day is a limitation that is too rigid, but I stick to it as much as possibleDemonstrating either a complete lack of faith or knowledge in a real system, or a complete lack of accuracy in an entirely fabricated one.

orange31
14th June 2008, 06:27 PM
Dutch, this really IS a religion you're proposing, because you claim associations happening, but that such associations cannot be predicted. This is known as "predestination", and it's a common component of several religions thru history.

The Man
15th June 2008, 12:45 PM
Besides what Paul already said in response to your post that the following quotes are from, I would just like to add…

“What the hell are you talking about?”

When shown that the orbital velocity of Mercury is not consistent and you do not in fact translate degrees to days you at least honestly capitulate that it was a misstatement on your part.


I shouldn't have used the term degrees, I did that in an effort to emphasize that the actual 3D location or shape of an orbit is irrelevant. I use the number of Earthdays the orbits take, regardless the actual positions of the planets or the background ( as in astrology )

(Apparently also as in astronomy.)

Now suddenly you what to claim an even greater resolution saying that “the actual transit only takes an hour or so”


Take Reagan's death for instance, he died just before the Venus transit and was buried soon after. Than you talk about 5 or 6 days, while the actual transit only takes an hour or so?

This +/- 1 day is a limitation that is too rigid, but I stick to it as much as possible

It would seem that you stick to it far more then it is “possible”.

That was a pretty fast burial; Reagan died just before and was buried soon after this “hour or so” transit.

First you must define what you think constitutes the transit, maybe +/- one planet diameter from the orbital completion position, convert that to orbital degrees or distance then know the location within the orbit, to find out how long that transit would actually take.

Science and math are about specifics and exactness, bandying about such words as “just before”, “hour or so” and “soon after” clearly indicates a lack of such specificity and exactness. Claiming patterns without the precision of calculation to provide the applicable resolution of those patterns only confirms that this would hardly even be a poor fantasy, let alone any real science or math (hyper dimensional or otherwise).

Regardless of what you what to claim as irrelevant, because of what you do claim as relevant, certain things you whish to consider irrelevant, like astronomy (not astrology), do become quite relevant. If those factors are irrelevant then what you do want to claim as relevant (like trigger dates) are also irrelevant.

Broes
16th June 2008, 12:12 AM
Arthur C Clark: look what happened when he died:
Star explodes halfway across universe!!!!!!!!!!!

As dozens of stars do every day...

sts60
16th June 2008, 07:38 AM
Latest news:

Shuttle back from mission with 'beautiful landing' (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/14/space.shuttle.ap/index.html)

Phoenix Delivers Soil Sample to Microscope (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/)

GLAST (Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope) in Orbit! (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/news/index.html) - GLAST checkout underway.

Some ongoing missions:

Cassini Sees Collisions of Moons on Saturn's Ring (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/main/index.html) - "Cassini scientists have discovered that the rapid changes in Saturn's F ring are due to small moons colliding with the ring. These results are reported in the June 5 issue of Nature." The nuclear (isotope) - powered Cassini is still going strong after four years of Saturn operations, more than 11 years after launch.

Spirit Still 'Sitting Pretty' for This Time of Year (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/spirit-update.html)
Shoulder Motor Balks on Opportunity's Robotic Arm (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/news/mer-20080423.html)
Of course, the MERs are on their fifth extended mission, having exceeded their design lifetimes by a factor of 18 by this point. So one can expect some aches and pains on the little guys; but a significant contributor to their longevity has been the eight small nuclear heaters each carries.

Voyager 2 Proves Solar System Is Squashed (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/voyager/index.html) - The nuclear (isotope)-powered Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft explore the shape of the magnetosheath as the solar wind "bubble" encounters the interstellar medium. The two spacecraft continue to head for interstellar space, busily reporting science data more than thirty years after launch.

Paul
16th June 2008, 01:32 PM
Darn it, that thar space sure is dangrus. Wouldn't want to be goin thar, speshly usin' one o' them nuclar reacters.

:alien004:

Dutch
18th June 2008, 04:42 AM
You just don't understand, you have shown no real proofs, you only state things that have happened and make them you proofs, anybody, anybody can do the same thing. I can use any numbers in any combination and just look at the news and point to anything I want and say it is a connection to my numbers. You predict nothing, anything in the news can be you answer, you are deluding yourself, sorry.

You don't understand, but it is you that have the closed mind.

Paul

:) :) :)

There is no real proof, I never said there is. If I could show you, I would be on my way to Oslo.

Be my quest and show me the underlying themes that will be expressed in at specific moments of time in our future.

You completely disregard the intuitive insights and synchronicities that pop up everywhere with this material

Dutch
18th June 2008, 04:45 AM
Thank you all for keeping Dutch occupied and out of trouble.
not that occupied with this and I have yet to meet the first one to cause real trouble for the HDdesign material

Dutch
18th June 2008, 04:50 AM
Damn if this doesn't sound like believing in a so-called god. Please Dutch, what is the message, is it anything that you what it to be, so that you make some point about something that you believe in and you can use whatever you what has a proof to prove your belief. It only shows how you don't understand the universe. Dutch the universe doesn't care about you, humans, the earth, moon, sun etc, get over it.

Paul

:) :) :)

I want to emphasize that I have always said that WE have a shared responsibility to what we co-create in our reality. We are experiencing our state of consciousness.
So you do understand the universe?

Dutch
18th June 2008, 04:58 AM
Dutch, this really IS a religion you're proposing, because you claim associations happening, but that such associations cannot be predicted. This is known as "predestination", and it's a common component of several religions thru history.

One needs a complete understanding of the hidden underlying Design in order to do so, I think that's a bridge too far for the human mind.

I think however that it is indeed possible to come very close to an exact prediction based on the described elements of design

Dutch
18th June 2008, 05:04 AM
Paul and The Man,

The theory has never been changed. I may expect that people responding to this material have done their research. Because I'm working with this stuff daily, I use specific terms to put it on the timelines.
Its fair to assume that it is known what I mean with these terms as I have explained it already and put the references on the HDDesign forum.

I can't bring someone to s specific level of understanding if he or she just jumps in and starts to make remarks without investigating this material first.
That would be a waste of time, you can review as much as you want, its all there.

Paulhoff
18th June 2008, 05:31 AM
There is no real proof, I never said there is. If I could show you, I would be on my way to Oslo.

Be my quest and show me the underlying themes that will be expressed in at specific moments of time in our future.

You completely disregard the intuitive insights and synchronicities that pop up everywhere with this material
No proof, but you keep quoting news has if there is, so in the end you have shown us nothing, no underlying themes, no insights or synchronicites, just your need to have order where there is now, sorry Dutch.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paulhoff
18th June 2008, 06:13 AM
The theory has never been changed.
It may be what a layman calls a theory, but it is not a scientific theory and it is not even a scientific hypothesis, please look up what those phrases mean Dutch, don’t assume.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
19th June 2008, 07:23 AM
Normally, I'm not into predicting results of sports and the like but I have been asked repeatedly to give this European Championship soccer a look.
The elements of HDDesign jump of the screen instantly:
Mercury en Venus were both present with the great Orange Alignment of June 8-9 , the day The Netherlands ( Orange ) played and won the first match in this Championship.
The final is on June 29 and Venus will be at the same relative position as during the start-trigger date of the 'awakenings timeframe' related to June 25, 1988, the day Netherlands became European Champion (for the first and only time):
555 starttrigger on the 1111 days 'awakenings timeframe' around the final on June 25, 1988:
December 18, 1986
December 18, 1986 - June 25, 2008 = 7.864 days
or 35 Venus years in Earth days : 35 x 224.68 = 7.864 days
During the quarter final on June 21, Mercury will be at same relative position as during 25 juni 1988, the day Netherlands became European Champion.
On June 26 during semi final Mercury 'The Messenger' will be at same position as during the 'ascension starttriggerdate' related to june 25, 1988
June 17 Roemenie: Mercury on the 'ascension endtriggerdate' related to June 25, 1988 + venus on the 'awakenings endtrigger' date related to June 25, 1988
Friday the de 13th ( against France) I don't know, but if you win on that day....
Very powerful, with the 'orange' symbolism and the 'Phoenix Resurrection' theme goro talks about
As a matter of fact Netherlands will have to play against Russia next Saturday, Russia was the other finalist on June 25 1988

a strong confirmation of HDDesign

Paul
19th June 2008, 09:19 AM
I may expect that people responding to this material have done their research. Because I'm working with this stuff daily, I use specific terms to put it on the timelines.Do you mean terms specific to you, or normal terms with a usage specific to you?

Its fair to assume that it is known what I mean with these terms as I have explained it already and put the references on the HDDesign forum.I looked on your forums and the post purporting to explain HDDesign did not make it any clearer, especially in light of your somewhat special use of geometry. Perhaps you should write a brief explanation, in plain language, setting out the concepts and methods you believe to be important.

I can't bring someone to s specific level of understanding if he or she just jumps in and starts to make remarks without investigating this material first. As I said, I've looked at the material, I've been talking to you, and I've read your posts here, yet you still haven't explained your ideas to my, or anyone else's as far as I can see, satisfaction.

That would be a waste of time, you can review as much as you want, its all there.If your ideas had any merit, no amount of explanation would be a waste of time.

How about this for a reasonable start: take my recent post (#792) and respond to that, explaining point by point why I am wrong. If you can do that in plain language, we may have a starting point at last.

Dutch
20th June 2008, 06:41 AM
This is such a day, I'm at work and occasionally I follow up the synchronicities emerging from intuitive thoughts.
First, I advice you to reread the May 30 and the Venus Transit Midpoint posts on the timeline here:
timeline Q2, 2008 April - May - June
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about299-hddesign.html
How to explain.....its mind boggling
Its about these two crop circles....
I emphasized this:
NOTE THAT THIS Pi CROPCIRCLE APPEARS 2 AWAKENINGSTIMEFRAMES or 2222 DAYS AFTER THE START OF THE AZTEC COUNTDOWN CROPCIRCLE IN MAY 2002, COUNTDOWN to HD CUBE AROUND NOVEMBER 17, 2010. SEE VENUS TRANSIT MIDPOINT FOR RELATED INFO
because it seemed very important to me
The timeframe around November 17, 2010 has been identified as being possibly related to Mnt. St Helens / Yellowstone in relation to a potential devastating Earthchange event around this HD Cube timeframe in November 2010, as already posted in this thread a long time ago.
Now this 2222 days period between the start of the Aztec countdown cropcircle in May 2002 and this Phi circle in June 2008 made me think about the triggersystem that I use.
In fact 2222 days is the biggest timeframe in between the 6 triggerdates that I use, as applied on a random monitored events day.
In this case the monitored eventsday would be November 9, 2003.
When the triggerdates are determined for November 9, 2003, than the awakeningsstarttrigger date is May 3, 2002,, the start of the Aztec countdown. The ascension endtriggerdate is June 1, 2008 the day of the Pi crop circle.
following these synchronicities, I decided to check November 9, 2003 in order to find any kind of confirmation of these underlying themes and timecoded patterns
Nothing showed up at wiki initially. Well yes there was a lunar eclipse that day but it wasn't what I was looking for.
I decided to check who died on that day
Art Carney
Arthur William Matthew “Art” Carney (November 4, 1918 – November 9, 2003) was an Academy Award- and Emmy Award-winning American actor in film, stage, television and radio.
In 1981, he portrayed Harry Truman, an 84-year-old lodge owner in the half-fictional/half-real account of events leading to the eruption of Mount St. Helens, in the movie titled St. Helens. Although he retired in the late 1980s, he returned in 1993 to make a small cameo in the Arnold Schwarzenegger film, Last Action Hero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Carney

Paulhoff
20th June 2008, 06:47 AM
Poor Dutch, you are just so clueless to where these so-called connections are really coming from.

Paul

:) :) :)

sts60
20th June 2008, 07:03 AM
Mars Phoenix verifies (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080619.html) water ice was in trench it dug.

Ocean Surface Topography Mission/Jason 2 launch is a success! (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080619.html)

Paul
20th June 2008, 07:40 AM
snip ...the synchronicities emerging from intuitive thoughts... snip ...How to explain.....its mind bogglingWell, if it's this good...

Its about these two crop circles....
Oh dear.

NOTE THAT THIS Pi CROPCIRCLE APPEARS 2 AWAKENINGSTIMEFRAMES or 2222 DAYS AFTER THE START OF THE AZTEC COUNTDOWN CROPCIRCLE IN MAY 2002, COUNTDOWN to HD CUBE AROUND NOVEMBER 17, 2010. SEE VENUS TRANSIT MIDPOINT FOR RELATED INFO
because it seemed very important to meAnd here we see the problem; it seems important to you, but there is no reason for it to be so to anyone else. Crop circles, Aztecs and Venus, three things which do not connect to predict the future.

The timeframe around November 17, 2010 has been identified as being possibly related to Mnt. St Helens / Yellowstone in relation to a potential devastating Earthchange event around this HD Cube timeframe in November 2010, as already posted in this thread a long time ago.Possibly, potential, event, around, is about as precise as a psychic detective.

May 3, 2002,, the start of the Aztec countdown.What is the Aztec countdown, and why does it start in 2002?

I decided to check November 9, 2003 in order to find any kind of confirmation of these underlying themes and timecoded patternsThis should be 'interesting'.

Nothing showed up at wiki initially.I hope you didn't strain yourself with all that serious research.

Well yes there was a lunar eclipse that day but it wasn't what I was looking for.Now remind me, you did deny cherry-picking didn't you?

I decided to check who died on that dayBecause that would be important how?

Art CarneyOoh, wow... err, hang on, what?

In 1981, he portrayed Harry Truman, an 84-year-old lodge owner in the half-fictional/half-real account of events leading to the eruption of Mount St. Helens, in the movie titled St. Helens. If only you were kidding.

orange31
20th June 2008, 12:51 PM
Art Carney and Jackie Gleason were hilarious in a live sitcom from the 50s, around 20 or so episodes called 'the honeymooners'. Jim Carey, the Seinfeld crew, etc grew up on that stuff, was shown as re-runs on TV when they were kids.

calebprime
20th June 2008, 05:03 PM
I predict, based on the energy fluxes between the Venus and Mars fields, that Mirah will post a YouTube video called "Mt. St. Helens" on Feb. 2, 2007.

Girlboy 18 will comment: "She is old but hot."

I can see it all as if it already happened.

But I don't want to outshine the master.

The signs are propitious for the eventual posting of the Art Carney movie version during this decade.

orange31
22nd June 2008, 03:00 PM
Well, being on the other side of the pond, it's likely Dutch hasn't seen any of "The Honeymooners" tv show, starring the late Jackie Gleason and Art Carney.
Those of us in the US who have seen the show.....(ie, Carney played a character who was a proto-Kramer (from seinfeld) or like Carey in 'dumb and dumber'...

As such, it occurred to me......and still occurs to me....that Dutch may be cooking up a very long running and elaborate joke on this whole thing..?

Dutch
1st July 2008, 01:51 AM
Well, you can think what you want, but I posted on June 13 already that USS Cole would be on the triggers for the current Hyper Dimensional Octahedron/Tetrahedron pole timeframe at macrolevel orientation, around July 1-2

USS Cole attack 'plotter' charged
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7482385.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7482385.stm)
Death penalty sought in Cole case
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/ (http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/)

timeline Q3 2008:
timeline Q3, 2008 Jul - Aug - Sep (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html)
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=317&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&mforum=hddesign)

Paulhoff
1st July 2008, 05:37 AM
Well, you can think what you want, but I posted on June 13 already that USS Cole would be on the triggers for the current Hyper Dimensional Octahedron/Tetrahedron pole timeframe at macrolevel orientation, around July 1-2
I check this thread, and USS Cole is only posted here.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
1st July 2008, 05:45 AM
I posted on June 13 already that USS Cole would be on the triggers for the current Hyper Dimensional Octahedron/Tetrahedron pole timeframe at macrolevel orientation, around July 1-2Well then, you were wrong.

The BBC page you quote is from June 30th, the date the US announced that it had filed charges. Not only is that outside your very generous margin of error, it is only the day of an announcement, how is that significant in any way?

How much, for instance, do you have to mangle geometry to fit Nashiri into 2004 - a far more significant date.

Cuddles
1st July 2008, 08:24 AM
I posted on June 13 already that USS Cole would be on the triggers for the current Hyper Dimensional Octahedron/Tetrahedron pole timeframe at macrolevel orientation

And it didn't make any more sense back then. Seriously, lay off the Star Trek, it seems to be doing bad things to your brain.

Klimax
1st July 2008, 11:15 PM
And it didn't make any more sense back then. Seriously, lay off the Star Trek, it seems to be doing bad things to your brain.

That is not Star trek.ST is better and far more sensible than this rub...(possible rule breach :o ) thing.

Note:The only problem with ST is use of certain unnatural powers like telepathy and such...

robheus
2nd July 2008, 05:34 AM
I don't understand this long post on a non-issue. HDDesign is just astrology in new clothes, but tells realy nothing worth digging into. Everyone can mix up different data sets and extract seemingly but all together non-sensical data together and claim there is a hidden connection. In fact there isn't, but subjective minds are sometimes willing to see patterns in data without there being any real connection in the data at all. Just a curiosity of how our brain was wired.

Dutch
4th July 2008, 01:52 AM
I check this thread, and USS Cole is only posted here.

Paul

:) :) :)

Which tells me that you don't read. its there

Dutch
4th July 2008, 01:59 AM
Well then, you were wrong.

The BBC page you quote is from June 30th, the date the US announced that it had filed charges. Not only is that outside your very generous margin of error, it is only the day of an announcement, how is that significant in any way?

How much, for instance, do you have to mangle geometry to fit Nashiri into 2004 - a far more significant date.

When I noticed this USS Cole triggerevent, I have put it on the HD Tetrahedron Pole date which was already on the timeline.

This HD Tetrahedron Pole date is annually recurring as you can see in past years timelines.

As it is a leap year July 1 would be the 'peak' date.

Fact is that I expected an USS Cole related development for this timeframe and it happened.

Now don't tell me that USS Cole related events happen every day and that I put it on the timeline for every single day.

Dutch
4th July 2008, 02:04 AM
Next theme on the timeline Q3 2008 is 'Srebrenica karma', getting momentum on July 3:

Srebrenica Muslim chief cleared
The commander of Bosnian Muslim forces in Srebrenica, Naser Oric, has had his conviction for war crimes overturned by the UN tribunal in The Hague.
He was convicted of failing to prevent men under his command killing and mistreating six Bosnian Serb prisoners.
His alleged crimes took place well before the 1995 Bosnian Serb massacre of nearly 8,000 Srebrenica Muslims.
Between 1992 and 1993 he commanded troops who allegedly destroyed 50 Serb villages, causing thousands to flee.
But judges at The Hague ruled the first trial had failed to prove he had control over the men.
Former bodyguard
"The appeals chamber [...] reverses Naser Oric's conviction," said Judge Wolfgang Schomburg of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.
The 41-year-old ex-bodyguard to former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic was convicted two years ago but given a two-year sentence - much less than that demanded by the prosecution.
He was ordered to be immediately release because of time he had already spent in custody.
Many Bosnian Muslims (Bosniaks) regard him as a hero, and believe the decision to prosecute him was made to counter complaints by Serbs that the tribunal was biased against them, correspondents say.
Mr Oric was commander of the Bosnian Muslim forces in the town of Srebrenica from May 1992 to August 1995, four weeks after the killing of thousands of Muslim men and boys by Bosnian Serb troops despite the presence of Dutch UN peacekeepers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7486999.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7486999.stm)

I wrote on the timeline on July 2:

The Obama and/or Hillary security issue is on the timeline again for July 5, with also Venus at the same relative position on the awakenings starttriggerdate of July 5, 2007 as during the assassination of JFK.( also July 9 and 13 on the triggers )
In fact there are various themes related to US presidency, Srebrenica Karma, GW , Obama , JFK assassination, Ana nicole - Deep Impact pentagram etc., that all together, mark the first 14 days of July as an overlap timeframe in which these themes could find expression in reality

so keep an eye on the timeline

Yesterday, by synchronicity, I found out something very profound.......in between my daily routines at work.

We have seen that 9/11 happened exactly 6 Mars Years in Earth days prior to the end of the Mayan Calendar on December 23, 2012, the alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers, just 2 days after the generally accepted enddate December 21, 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012)

September 11, 2001 - December 23, 2012 = 4.121 days

Mars = 686.971

6 times 686.971 = 4.121 days rounded

At midpoint, exactly 3 Mars Years prior to the end of the Mayan Calendar:
May 4, 2007

May 4, 2007 - December 23, 2012 = 2.060 days

3 times 686.971 = 2.060 days rounded

On May 4, 2007:

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD-51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20, sometimes called simply "Executive Directive 51" for short), signed by United States President George W. Bush on May 4, 2007, is a Presidential Directive which specifies the procedures for continuity of the federal government in the event of a "catastrophic emergency." Such an emergency is construed as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Directive_51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Directive_51)

next Mars Year in earth days gives March 21, 2009

This timeframe was already mentioned in the material, I wrote on June 17, 2008:
Hirhoshima/Nagasaki August 6/9, 1945 - end of Mayan Calendar December 21, 2012
The Golden Mean Phi timecoded spiral that emerges at the end of the Matan Calendar, going back in our perception of time, goes through the last Venus transit prior to the end of the Mayan Calendar around June 6, 2012.
The dates to go on this spiral:
February 3, 2012
322 days prior to the end of the Mayan calendar. We have seen this 'occult 322' earlier as the base of the Golden Mean spiral connecting the assassination of Rafik Hariri with the June 2012 Venus transit and ultimately the end of the Mayan Calendar

July 18, 2011

522 days prior to the end of the Mayan Calendar. flight 522 creash reference:
"running on autopilot towards nuclear winter".

August 28, 2010

March 23, 2009
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=6396&mforum=hddesign#6396 (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=6396&mforum=hddesign#6396)

Note that March 23, 2009 is also 1 year after the expiring of the 911 Phi based timecoded spiral 9/11 - Madrid bombings.

So March 21-23, 2009 seems a very significant timeframe

So we talk about a Hirhoshima - Nagasaki echo here, related to 9/11 and the end of the Mayan Calendar!

very profound

first thought was the July 16, 2007 Japan quake which caused the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak (coinciding with a powerfull typhoon, there's no better way to express a Nagasaki echo without throwing another fatman at Japan).

That dated was directly linked to Nagasaki based on the longterm cycle as described in the breaking the code thread and already determined years ago and posted on several forums as well as here on HDDesign forum.

If so, Mercury 'The Messenger' should confirm, that's what I thought
I checked and it is confirmed instantly:

July 16, 2007 'Nagasaki echo' - March 23, 2009 = 616 days

or exactly 7 Mercury years in Earth days:

7 times 87.9691 = 616 days rounded

Mercury will be on the same relative position around March 23, 2009 as during the Nagasaki echo on July 16, 2007
!

The ascension starttriggerdate of March 23, 2009 is August 30, 2004

Venus at same relative position as during Nagasaki !

August 9, 1945 - August 30, 2004 = 21.571 days

or exactly 96 Venus years in Earth days:

96 times 224.7007 = 21.571 days rounded

Venus is confirming aswel, based on the described elements of HDDesign

Note that March 23, 2009 is also 1 year after the expiring of the 911 Phi based timecoded spiral 9/11 - Madrid bombings.
So March 21-23, 2009 seems a very significant timeframe

The 911 based Golden Mean Phi timecoded spiral 9/11 - Madrid bombings ended around March 23, 2008 ( see timeline )

Given the information above, I had to think of Jericho the tv series

Jericho is an American serial drama that centers on the residents of Jericho, Kansas in the aftermath of nuclear attacks on 23 major cities in the contiguous United States. Produced by CBS Paramount Network Television, with executive producers Jon Turteltaub, Stephen Chbosky and Carol Barbee, the show was broadcast in more than 30 countries.
The show ran on CBS from September 20, 2006 through March 25, 2008. It was initially canceled after its first full season due to poor ratings. While a fan campaign was able to convince the network to bring the show back for a seven-episode second season, it was canceled for a second time after that run.

On March 21, 2008 CBS announced that the network would not be renewing Jericho for a third season.[35] CBS entertainment boss Nina Tassler stated that "The March 25 episode... will be the series finale.
Jericho (TV series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(TV_series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(TV_series))

On March 21, 2009 Mercury 'The Messenger' will be at the same relative position as during the assassination of Rafik Hariri
February 14, 2005 - March 21, 2009 = 1496 days
or 17 Mercury years in Earth days
17 times 87.9691 = 1496 rounded


Well,

For last year on July 12 or 15 (+/- 1 day ), 2007 I had determined a direct echo for Hirhoshima - Nagasaki, already posted in this HDDesign material years ago, years prior to the timeframe.

This echo was based on the theoretical long term cycle based on the 911/Tetrahedron Design, causing a 'difference' between our 'actual' percecption of time and based on the elements as described in the 'breaking the code' thread.

This is not a running pattern with several recurring keydates, its a direct link between for instance Nagasaki on August 9, 1945 and July 15, 2007 (+/- 1day), based on the precession cycle as described in this HDDesign.

When that day came, a strong Earthquake struck Japan, coinciding with a powerful typhon, causing the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak.
There's no better way to express this Nagasaki echo without throwing another fatman on Japan.

Today I saw a headline on CNN and I instantly expected the same confirmation of hidden underlying Design:
CNN mainpage:
July 2, 2008 -- Updated 0649 GMT (1449 HKT)Make CNN Your Home Page

Africans call for unity in Zimbabwe
New evidence in 1946 U.S. lynching case
General who opposes Chavez ideals detained
'Plotters' seized as tension mounts in Turkey
etc.

Its the second item that drew my attention:

New evidence collected in 1946 lynching case

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- State and federal investigators said Tuesday that they spent the past two days gathering evidence in the last documented mass lynching in the United States: a grisly slaying of four people that has remained unsolved for more than six decades.
In a written statement, the FBI and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said they collected several items on a property in rural Walton County, Georgia, that were taken in for further investigation.
On July 25, 1946, two black sharecropper couples were shot hundreds of times and the unborn baby of one of the women cut out with a knife at the Moore's Ford Bridge. One of the men had been accused of stabbing a white man 11 days earlier and was bailed out of jail by a former Ku Klux Klan member and known bootlegger who drove him, his wife, her brother and his wife to the bridge.
The FBI statement said investigators were following up on information recently received in the case, one of several the agency has revived in an effort to close decades-old cases from the civil rights era and before.
"The FBI and GBI had gotten some information that we couldn't ignore with respect to this case," GBI spokesman John Bankhead said.
Georgia state Rep. Tyrone Brooks, a longtime advocate for prosecution in the Moore's Ford case, called news of the search encouraging.
"We just hope and pray they can bring some of these suspects to the bar of justice before they die, because they're all getting up in age," said Brooks, the president of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials.
Investigations like the one into the Georgia slayings may have gotten another boost in the past week. A U.S. senator agreed to unlock a bill that would create a "cold case unit" at the U.S. Justice Department.
The legislation is sponsored by Democratic U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia and passed 422-2 in the House. But Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, used an obscure Senate rule to freeze the bill, just as he routinely does on efforts that require government spending.
The plan would authorize $10 million a year for the next 10 years for the Justice Department to create a unit prosecuting pre-1970 civil rights cases. Another $3.5 million would go annually toward the department's cooperative efforts with local law enforcement.
But last week, a spokesman said Coburn would lift the hold in exchange for a vote on cutting Justice Department spending in other areas.
Law enforcement officials say they face a daunting task prosecuting the deaths of Roger and Dorothy Malcom and George and May Murray-Dorsey.
Many of the dozen or so men who opened fire on the couples with shotguns, rifles and a machine gun are now dead, they say. And in the days following the massacre, residents of the community about 40 miles east of Atlanta, Georgia, were tight-lipped with federal agents sent by President Truman to investigate.
But advocates like Brooks say they think there was enough evidence in FBI files at the time to bring a case against the suspects. He said his group has identified five suspects in the slayings who are still alive.
Morgan County chief sheriff's Deputy Bruce Wright said the 12-acre area searched Monday and Tuesday may have once been a working farm. The written statement said the current residents of the area are not suspects.
Bankhead and Wright said a bomb squad was called in to detonate some old military-style ordnance found on the property, but those explosives were not thought to be relevant to the Moore's Ford case.
The lynchings were officially re-opened for investigation by former Georgia Gov. Roy Barnes nearly eight years ago and were on a list of revived cold cases cited by former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales early last year.
Brooks said he and other advocates have noticed renewed activity by investigators in the area since then.
"We can feel their presence when we're there," he said. "Every time we do something, people show up that we've never seen before, and we know they're not regular folks who live in Walton County. We don't get in their way, and we don't ask many questions."
Historians say there has never again been a documented case of as many people being lynched -- killed by mob without due process -- in one attack in the United States since Moore's Ford.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/lynching.investigation/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/lynching.investigation/index.html)

Nagasaki August 9, 1945 - July 16, 2007 Japan quake/typhon/nuclear leak:
22.621 days

Said Tuesday that they spent the past two days

July 25, 1946 lynching case - Monday, June 30 / Tuesday July 1, 2008:

22.621 days

!!

On July 25, 1946, two black sharecropper couples were shot hundreds of times and the unborn baby of one of the women cut out with a knife at the Moore's Ford Bridge.

July 1, 2008 was the date

on CNN July 1, 2008:

July 1, 2008 -- Updated 1244 GMT (2044 HKT)

Baby cut from woman's womb

KENNEWICK, Washington (AP) -- Kennewick, Washington, police report that a pregnant woman was fatally stabbed multiple times in the chest and her nearly full-term baby was cut from her womb. Police have arrested a 23-year-old woman.
The baby boy has been hospitalized at Deaconess Medical Center in Spokane, Washington, in critical condition.
Court documents say 27-year-old Araceli Camacho Gomez, of Pasco, Washington, had her hands and feet bound with yarn and suffered "massive trauma to her stomach area" late Friday night. An autopsy showed she died of the chest wounds, but had other wounds "consistent with the cutting of the body to remove an unborn child."
Her body was found early Saturday in Kennewick's Columbia Park.
A 23-year-old Kennewick woman, Phiengchai Sisouvanh Synhavong, has been arrested for investigation of first-degree murder and is accused of trying to pass the infant boy off as her own in calls made late Friday night to emergency dispatchers. She was being held without bail Monday, with another court appearance scheduled Wednesday.
Court documents say blue mechanic's gloves soaked in blood, a box cutter, bloody paper towels, yarn, a mucus bulb, baby bottle and baby socks were among some of the items found in Sisouvanh Synhavong's purse.
They didn't say whether the boxcutter was used to cut or stab Gomez and police refused to discuss details Monday.
Court documents allege that Sisouvanh Synhavong called 911 at 11:04 p.m. Friday saying she was by JCPenney, had just given birth and that she thought the baby had died.
The call ended, but the woman called again a few minutes later. Dispatchers were able to trace the calls, and she was found in a parking lot with the baby, holding what appeared to be an umbilical cord. A "significant amount of blood and pieces of human tissue" were found in the back seat, documents said.
The site was a mile or two from the spot where Gomez's body was later found, but it wasn't immediately clear whether Gomez was killed at the site where her body was found, or was killed elsewhere and the body dumped there.
Sisouvanh Synhavong and the baby were taken to Kennewick General Hospital, where medical tests showed she had not recently given birth.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/01/pregnant.murder.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/01/pregnant.murder.ap/index.html)

What does this all mean?

going back to midpoint between 9/11 and the end on the Mayan Calendar, or 3 Mars Years in earthdays prior to the end of the Mayan Calendar on May 4, 2007 +/- 1 day:

Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann disappeared on the evening of Thursday, 3 May 2007 from the resort of Praia da Luz, in the Algarve region of Portugal, just days short of her fourth birthday, and is still missing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann)

1 Mars Year earlier :
June 13, 2005 trial of Michael Jackson: Singer Michael Jackson is acquitted of all charges in his child molestation trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_trial_of_Michael_Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_trial_of_Michael_Jackson)

The Super Orange Alignment during the Venus Transit midpoint was the start of the Orange Phoenix resurrection....and decline. Expressed 'as above - so below' with Phoenix on Mars and the Orange resurrection during the EC soccer

Mars lander finds bits of ice, scientists say
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/20/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/20/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html)
Proof! Water Ice Found on Mars
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080620-phoenix-ice-update.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080620-phoenix-ice-update.html)
Life in Earth's toughest places; how about Mars?
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/22/mars.extreme.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/22/mars.extreme.ap/index.html)
Ice on Mars an important breakthrough
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/06/22/scinasa222.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/06/22/scinasa222.xml)
Mars' two-faced riddle 'solved' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7473128.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7473128.stm)
Mars lander finds soil 'friendly' to life
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/26/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/26/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html)
Martian soil appears able to support life
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2634952620080626 (http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2634952620080626)
Will religion end on Mars?
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorials/Will_religion_end_on_Mars/articleshow/3169948.cms (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorials/Will_religion_end_on_Mars/articleshow/3169948.cms)
Will NASA Ever Find Life on Mars?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080627-mars-life-question.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080627-mars-life-question.html)

After the victorious win over France, the Dutch soccer players took their kids out of the crowd on the sideline and held them in their arms, walking over the soccer field.

Netherlands/Orange played the quarter final with black bands, as one of the defenders has just lost his premature born child.

So what does this all mean? These dark expressions like child abuse, child kidnap, death of a premature born child, cutting baby's out of wombs etc.?
coinciding with Phoenix on Mars? and the 'Nagasaki' nuclear theme?

This is what we are doing to our kids

"Stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power"

These are the themes that I expect to find expression during this timeframe in March 2009, I expect much more will be posted in relation to this.

Paul
4th July 2008, 06:56 AM
Now don't tell me that USS Cole related events happen every day and that I put it on the timeline for every single day.No, you put it on the time line for a date when it didn't happen. Not only that, but what did not happen on that date was only an announcement of a part of a lengthy process which, in itself, is not significantly more important than other events you did not manage to include.

So, what about 2004?

Broes
7th July 2008, 12:22 AM
Yesterday, by synchronicity, I found out something very profound.......in between my daily routines at work.

Your boss must be so proud of your productivity...

Dutch
10th July 2008, 12:22 AM
How much, for instance, do you have to mangle geometry to fit Nashiri into 2004 - a far more significant date.

far more significant indeed

I think you mean the date Nashiri was sentenced to death for hisr role in the bombing by a Yemeni judge.

That happened on September 29, 2004

Nashiri's death sentence was on Phi point ( inwards) between The USS cole attack and March 14, 2007:

On March 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_14), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), a federal judge in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Robert Doumar ruled that the Sudanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan) government was liable for the bombing.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing#cite_note-Michael2--3)
The ruling was issued in response to a lawsuit filed against the Sudanese government by relatives of the victims, who claim that Al-Qaeda could not have carried out the attacks without the support of Sudanese officials. The judge stated "There is substantial evidence in this case presented by the expert testimony that the government of Sudan induced the particular bombing of the Cole by virtue of prior actions of the government of Sudan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

October 12, 2000 - September 29, 2004 = 1448 days

1448/1.61803399 = 895 days

September 29, 2004 + 895 days is March 13, 2007 (+/- 1 day)

Paulhoff
10th July 2008, 05:56 AM
We are beating a dead horse with Dutch.

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=179

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
22nd July 2008, 02:37 AM
OPDATED: JULY 22: KARADZIC ARRESTED ( I expected it earlier in July or in late August, I don't understand July 22 yet )
updated:
according to his lawyer Svetozar Vujacic: Karadzic has been arrested on Friday July 18, 2008 already, when he was at a bus in Belgrade.
That seems more valid to me, because that date I do understand:
Srebrenica July 11, 1995
Ascension starttriggerdate: December 19, 1990
December 19, 1990 - July 18, 2008 = 6.421 days
or 73 Mercury years in Earth days:
73 times 87.9691 = 6.421 days rounded
and of course as a consequence:
July 18, 2008:
Ascension endtriggerdate: February 8, 2013
Srebrenica July 11, 1995 - February 8, 2013 = 6.422 days
or 73 mercury years in Earth days again
WOW!
These events are unveiling and confirming the hidden underlying Design, based on intelligent correlations that are reflected in our solarsystem aswel:
I have called the thread monitoring these events: 'Balkan Karma Venus Based'
and Venus based it is....
The ascension triggerdates of Srebrenica and Karadzic' arrest:
December 19, 1990 - February 8, 2013 = 8087 days ( +/- 1 day)
Venus is confirming the Design:
36 Venus years in Earth days = 8088 days !!!
Mladic is still out there, aswel as it is unclear who are politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
I wrote on the timeline:
August 25, 2008 Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary.
AND next Venus years on the pattern as monitored: Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica sueing Dutch government. Karadzic is already captured, keep your eues on Mladic too.
also important date:
November 15, 2008 - Hyper Dimensional Cube at macro level orientation. End timeframe of 911 based Golden Mean Phi based timecoded spiral: Pim Fortuyn - Theo van Gogh - exit Hirshi Ali
- security issue Obama - security issue Hillary. Srebrenica Karma

The Man
22nd July 2008, 07:14 PM
Paul and The Man,

The theory has never been changed. I may expect that people responding to this material have done their research. Because I'm working with this stuff daily, I use specific terms to put it on the timelines.
Its fair to assume that it is known what I mean with these terms as I have explained it already and put the references on the HDDesign forum.

I can't bring someone to s specific level of understanding if he or she just jumps in and starts to make remarks without investigating this material first.
That would be a waste of time, you can review as much as you want, its all there.


Well that is in some aspects my point that a theory must change if it does not conform to the facts, one of those facts being the time variable degrees subtended by an orbiting body. The real waste of time being the reviewing of coincidences of a theory based simply on happenstance and not very accurate happenstance for that matter if you do not take it to account the time variable degrees subtended by an orbiting body. When you can explain how your hyper dimensional design drives such occurrences, predicting some occurrence yet to happen and not just conflate the happenstance you perceive (wich you say you can not do), then I might consider it something worth reviewing, but I am not holding my breath for any angle subtended by Mercury.

The Man
22nd July 2008, 07:28 PM
Hyper Dimensional Cube at macro level orientation. End timeframe of 911 based Golden Mean Phi based timecoded spiral: Pim Fortuyn - Theo van Gogh - exit Hirshi Ali
- security issue Obama - security issue Hillary. Srebrenica Karma

WOW!
It seems you have invented a whole series of “orientations” and “timecodes” to conflate. When you finally realize the “design” please let us know. As an engineer and product designer, I can tell you that design is not so much about what has happened but designing the product to accommodate what will happen. Finding some obscure perceived design in past events does not reveal any real design, until you can use that design to show what will happen.

Dutch
24th July 2008, 01:04 AM
you should do your research first before making comments The Man

I will help you out this time

Dutch
24th July 2008, 01:05 AM
I have been monitoring this 'Balkan Karma' theme for years now and early 2006 my understanding of the HDDesign at that time made me expect that 'someone could be taken out by Design' with this 'Balkan karma' theme in mind. I expected a related development for March 12, 2006 +/- 1 day and I posted this expectation verifyable at HDdesign forum and several other forums that are stil online, way before that date.
When that day came and Milosevic died in his prison that day, it was an 'in the face' experience to me, a confirmation of this hidden underlying Design.
I have called the thread in which I have been monitoring this theme the 'Balkan Karma Venus Based' thread and as we have seen with Karadzic' arrest it is indeed Venus Based.
In order to try to explain a little bit more I will repost some related post I made. Key event is ofcourse the Srebrenica Massacre on July 11, 1995.
I wrote on December 6, 2006:
Well,
this thread is called 'Balkan Karma Venus Based'
Venus Based................
I had to think of Milosevic who died on March 11 this year and Željko Ražnatović, who was killed in Belgrado on January 15, 2000
this intuitive thought is confirmed instantly:
This is really in the face and confirmative to the described Design:
January 15, 2000 - March 11, 2006 is
2247 days
or EXACTLY 10 Venus Years in earth days ( 10 times 224.7 )

!!!!!!!!!!!
Željko Ražnatović aka Arkan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkan
and
Yes the described Design is valid!
Arkan was killed in Belgrado on the 555 endtrigger date ( a January 15 )related to the 1111 days awakenings timeframe around the Srebrenica Massacre on July 11, 1995!
Talk about Balkan Karma!
and
The Srebrenica related triggerdates are coming up again during December and January, the first one on december 18
The elements of Design seem to pop up everywhere
Milosevic died exactly 2 Venus years in Earth days after December 18, 2004
or in other words
He died with Venus in the exact same position on it's orbit around the sun as on Srebrenica triggerdate december 18!!
and
Milosevic died exactly 2 Venus years in Earth days after December 18, 2004
and ofcourse Arkan was killed exactly 8 Venus years in Earth days after Srebrenica related triggerdate December 18, 2004
a strong karmic connection in the Design
because as we have seen:
8 Venus Years in earth days / Golden mean Phi =
awakenings time frame 1111
( with December 18, 2004 as enddtriggerdate related to the 1111 days awakenings timeframe around the Srebrenica Massacre )
and 1111 / Golden Mean Phi again gives 1 Mars Year in Earth days
I expect this Mars connection will show it's significance soon
So if you think you can commit genocide, you will have to pay the karmic bill sooner or later, but at a specific moment in time.
Milosevic is driven crazy in the Scheveningen prison and Arkan was shot to death despite his bodyguards who should protect him
you can't get away with an act of 'evil' without being held accountable
Seselj, Mladic and Karadzic will confirm the elements of Design
The good news is , that when you live your life with your heart, you will be rewarded accordingly
The next Venus year in Earth days was Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron date October 21, 2006, followed by around June 2, 2007.
I wrote in December 2006:
Arkan has had a big influence on our Dutch society, when he was one of the prime members of the organized crime in Amsterdam. He probably killed several people in The Netherlands. When he was in the EBI ( prison for the most heavy criminals) they wanted to get him out during Christmas and special forces had to guard the prison for days.
Nobody in the organized crime scene could cope with him. thousands of muslims couldn't cope with him.
But he was killed though, at a Designed moment of time in our reality. Milosevic died in The Netherlands in his prison, on Hyper Dimensional tetrahedron date March 11, as anticipated. He considered to be untouchable for a very long time. We talk about Srebrenica Karma here.
The life of our Dutch soldiers were considered more important than the thousands of muslims in Srebrenica that were slaughtered as the result of our lack of commitment. safe haven..... my ass.
The Srebrenica karma was spiralled in our Dutch society with the killing of our Prime Minister candidate Pim Fortuyn and cineast Theo van Gogh (911 days apart). New elections as a result and our political landscape is still in impasse today
Golden Mean Phi based inspiralling with the exit of Hirshi Ali as a reult
Who is responsible for the Srebrenica Karma, besides The Netherlands?
Hirshi Ali left our country and is a member of a commision supporting the Bush gouvernment now. The date is set ( see 911 based Phi spiral in our Dutch society - thread ), May 2, 2007, probably politcal/Washington.
Already early 2007 I wrote my expectations on the timeline for June 2, 2007, the next Venus year in Earth days on the Arkan-Milosevic pattern, via Venus and the triggerdate related to the Srebrenica Massacre:
June 2, 2007 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
look what has happened around that date:
The Dutch government was sued and the number 3 of the most wanted list, Tolomir, was arrested!
Friday June 1, 1:19 AM
War crime suspect, Mladic's closest ally arrested
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070531/1/48yby.html
Arrested Tolimir is third on the list, just after Mladic and Karadzic
'Mothers of Srebrenica' left Srebrenica on June 2 for a 40-hours bus ride to
Den Haag: The Netherlands charged for Srebrenica massacre!!!!
Srebrenica Relatives To Sue Netherlands, UN
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/06/9df8b3f2-a5ca-4780-8007-7a75bb6324d9.html
Srebrenica families sue Dutch state, U.N.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0437048320070604
Bosnia suspect attacks UN arrest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6719741.stm
BBC: Netherlands sued over Srebrenica
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6721139.stm
Net tightens on fugitive Mladic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6712903.stm
described element of Design: Mars at same position as during the 911 based 'control' triggerdate related to the Srebrenica massacre!
Mars is closely related to 9/11 ( or 911), as explained on this forum
( 9/11 happened exactly 6 Mars years in Earth days prior to the end of the Mayan Calender)
The 911 based 'control' starttrigger related to the Srebrenica Massacre on July 11, 1995 is: January 6, 1998
January 6, - June 2, 2007
= 3434 days or
EXACTLY 5 Mars Years in Earth days
or Mars in the same position around June 2, 2007 as during the 911 based trigger timeframe related to the Srebrenica Massacre!!!!!
I wrote on July 11, 2007, last years Srebrenica Massacre anniversary:
Although Arkan, Milosevic and Tolimir were taken out on a Venus Based pattern related to the Srebrenica Massacre, Mercury The Messenger was also there to 'confirm' the Design:
At the same geometrical position during the awakenings end triggerdate related to the Srebrenica massacre as during Milosevic' death in Scheveningen prison.
and followed by this:
wait a minute.....
Mars is at the same geometrical position on the 911 based starttrigger related to the Srebrenica Massacre as during Milosevic death!!
So we have:
Venus on the Ascension timeframe
Mercury on the Awakenings timeframe
Mars on the Controll timeframe
All connecting the Srebrenica massacre with the moment of Milosevic' death
2 base element of Design:
the 3 triggerdate timeframes + the position of the inner planets
Note that the innerplanets are Golden Mean Phi related to triggerdate timeframes
perfectly determining Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron date March 11, 2006, the day Milosevic died.
you can't commit genocide and get away with it
Milosevic had to face his karmic responsibilities at this specific moment in our reality.
prior to March 11, 2006 I posted on several forums that I expected that someone would be 'taken out' with a Balkan Karma theme on the background. This anticipation back then was based on the Venus correlation only, in combination with the triggerdate info.
Just today I noticed the very strong connections with the other timeframes and innerplanets.
Mladic , Karadzic and others + those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre:
There are other keydates coming on the timecoded patterns
and I also wrote
Now back to the death of Milosevic in relation to the Srebrenica Massacre:
Venus on the Ascension timeframe
Mercury on the Awakenings timeframe
Mars on the Controll timeframe
June 2, 2007 ( Tolimir arrested and Netherlands sued )
Venus on the Ascension timeframe
Mars on the Control timeframe
but Mercury was 5 days off the awakenings timeframe
Althoug 1 match is sufficient to 'give opportunity to express the underlying theme' on the timecoded patterns, I think next time the 3 inner planets and the 3 triggerdate timeframes will all show such a match as during milosevic' death, someone will have to face his or hers carmic responsibility for the Srebrenica massacre.
It wouldn't amaze me that when that moment comes and if Mladic and Karadzic are still out there , one of them will be shot during an arrest attempt. The key dates will be mentioned on the timelines once I have determined them.
Srebrenica July 11, 1995 - HD Tetrahedron September 10, 2007
= 4444 days
4 awakenings timeframes: 2 times 1111 = 4444 days
Monday, 10 September 2007
Russia-US deal 'helped Karadzic'
Ms Hartmann also speculates that the West was worried about what Mr Karadzic might reveal about the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, in which Bosnian Serb forces murdered about 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6986858.stm
The next Venus Year around January 13, 2008 came and I wrote:
"I expected developments around January 13, 2008 on the 'Balkan Karma' timecoded pattern, that found its origin with the Srebrenica Massacre back in July 1995, the biggest massacre in Europe since WWII. Peace keeping forces from The Netherlands were supposed to protect the muslims in UN safe haven srebrenica, but the troops surrendered to the Serbs when air support was refused. The Dutch soldiers didn't fight the Serbs and failed to protect the muslims.
As a result thousands of muslim men and boys were seperated from their families and shot to death in the area around Portocari while the Dutch soldiers eventually returned home safely.
This terrible theme finds its expressions in 2 already identified timecoded patterns, the first one is the 911 HD Tetrahedron based Golden Mean Phi timecoded spiral which is monitored in a seperate thread while the keydates are mentioned on the timelines.
The other one is the Venus based 'Balkan Karma' timecoded pattern which is also monitored in a seperate thread and determined this timeframe around January 13, 2008. This timeframe made me expect prior to March 11, 2006 that someone 'would be taken out by Design' in relation to this underlying theme and I posted it prior to the timeframe.
On the expected date Milosevic died in his prison.
This same underlying Venus based timecoded pattern took out Arkan and as I expected for the timeframe around June 2, 2007: Tolimir, the number 3 on the most wanted list, just after Mladic and Karadzic.
During that same timeframe the Gouvernment of the Netherlands was sued by the women of Srebrenica, who marched to the International Court in The Netherlands to file the legal documents.
I asked to keep an eye on Mladic and karadzic and on those (politically) responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre and look what actually happened during the timeframe:
2 Dutch soldiers killed in Afghanistan
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/6337205.html
Its the first time that 2 Dutch soldiers were killed on same day during this peacekeeping mission in Uruzgan. The soldiers were killed by friendly fire.
The troops that didn't protect the people of Srebrenica, the inital event of this timecoded pattern, are now killing their own on the next hit of the timecoded pattern
The 'message' becomes clear further down the timecoded pattern. Those responsible for the Srebrenica massacre will have to deal with their responsibilities sooner or later. The same underlying timecoded pattern that took out Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir and that brought the women of Srebrenica, who lost their men and sons, to The Netherlands in order to sue the Dutch gouvernment, is now showing this terrible incident with Dutch soldiers shooting at eachother killing 2 and wounding more.
The underlying Design is unveiling the profound truth behind the events in our reality. The decission not to protect the people of Srebrenica, with thousands of muslim men and boys shot to death as a result, is the same as killing your own.
This pattern will continue and shows a next hit in August 2008. Mladic and Karadzic are still out there. It could be that an related conviction will happen, or that they are arested. Or maybe it becomes clear who's responsible for the refusal of air support.
If these events around January 13 didn't convince you of the validity of the underlying Design, maybe the next hit will do with the given information in mind"
next date is around August 25, 2008 as mentioned on the timeline.
related threads:
as you can see on the timeline, the 'Srebrenica Karma' theme was the major underlying theme for the fist weeks of July, accumulating with the arrest of Karadzic
timeline Q3, 2008:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html
Balkan Karma Vensu Based
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about4-hddesign.html

Paulhoff
24th July 2008, 05:36 AM
If we could tap into the wasted energy Dutch uses on this thread, half of our energy needs would be achieved.

Paul

:) :) :)

Just a thought...........

Dutch
24th July 2008, 06:55 AM
I thought so you were that weak

The Man
24th July 2008, 01:50 PM
you should do your research first before making comments The Man

I will help you out this time


I have been monitoring this 'Balkan Karma' theme for years now and early 2006 my understanding of the HDDesign at that time made me expect that 'someone could be taken out by Design' with this 'Balkan karma' theme in mind.

WOW, “someone could be taken out by Design” and then…



When that day came and Milosevic died in his prison that day, it was an 'in the face' experience to me, a confirmation of this hidden underlying Design.


I can do that too, Wait it’s coming to me… I see it now.. yes, someone will have their picture taken doing something tomorrow with the celebrity “theme” in mind. When tomorrow comes I’ll just pick the most interesting news story with some celebrity’s picture. See and I didn’t even need a hyper dimensional design.


Thank you for helping me demonstrate that your “design” is nothing but an after the fact contrivance

Dutch
24th July 2008, 11:55 PM
yesterday I wrote on HDDesign forum:
I have missed the anniversary of last years direct 'echo' of July 12 (+/- 1 day), 2007 Hirhoshima and July 15 (+/-1 day), 2007.
That 'echo' was directly calculated from August 6-9, 1945 based on the described elements of HDDesign.
The 'echo'came through on July 16, 2007 'at Nagasaki' with a strong Earthquake in Japan causing the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak, coinciding with a powerful Typhoon.
There's no better way to express this echo without throwing another fatman on Japan.
This years aniversary:
Contaminated US site faces 'catastrophic' nuclear leak
14 July 2008
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19926642.900-contaminated-us-site-faces-catastrophic-nuclear-leak.html?feedId=online-news_rss20
and
France to test water near reactors after nuclear leak 18/07/2008 00:00France's ecology minister wants ground water near all of the country's 58 nuclear reactors to be tested.
http://www.expatica.com/fr/articles/news/France-to-test-water-near-reactors-after-uranium-leak.html
followed by another nuclear leak in France:
Another nuclear leak in France
Reuters, The Associated PressPublished: July 18, 2008
News of the leak came just a day after the government ordered tests at all French nuclear power plants
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/18/europe/leak.php
and ofcourse yesterdays news that made me think about this:
100 employees at French nuke site contaminated
Wed Jul 23, 4:41 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/france_nuclear_leak
It was 'in the air' so to speak, because look what reached the headlines today
It happened on July 12 on the first anniversary of the Hirhoshima echo, as determined by the described elements of HDDesign:
Air Force says officers fell asleep with nuke code
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Three Air Force officers fell asleep while in control of an electronic component that contained old launch codes for nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, a violation of procedure, Air Force officials said Thursday.
The Air Force said the launch codes had been deactivated before the incident, but it was still a violation of protocol, prompting an investigation.
It is the fourth incident in the past year involving problems with secure handling of components of America's nuclear weapons.
The incident occurred July 12, during the changing out of components used to facilitate secure communications between an underground missile-control facility and missile silos near Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, according to Col. Dewey Ford, a spokesman for the Air Force Space Command in Colorado.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/24/missile.error/index.html
!!!!!

Paulhoff
25th July 2008, 05:43 AM
yesterday I wrote on HDDesign forum:

It was 'in the air' so to speak, because look what reached the headlines today
It happened on July 12 on the first anniversary of the Hirhoshima echo, as determined by the described elements of HDDesign:
Air Force says officers fell asleep with nuke code
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Three Air Force officers fell asleep while in control of an electronic component that contained old launch codes for nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, a violation of procedure, Air Force officials said Thursday.
The Air Force said the launch codes had been deactivated before the incident, but it was still a violation of protocol, prompting an investigation.
It is the fourth incident in the past year involving problems with secure handling of components of America's nuclear weapons.
The incident occurred July 12, during the changing out of components used to facilitate secure communications between an underground missile-control facility and missile silos near Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, according to Col. Dewey Ford, a spokesman for the Air Force Space Command in Colorado.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/24/missile.error/index.html
!!!!!
And what are the nukes going to do as the men sleep, run off and blow themselves up. Give me a break, I used to load nukes onto B52's at Ellsworth South Dakota. The men involved get disciplined and life will go on, HD non-Design or not.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
26th July 2008, 04:22 AM
because we are living in the times we have to deal with this Hirhoshima-Nagasaki karma.

We can learn the hard way, or subtle

I have kids...

Its our responsibility now

As far as I understand the themes popping up on the significant key dates on the Identified patterns, there´s a huge potential we make life worse for the next generations, if not impossible

Paulhoff
26th July 2008, 05:58 AM
because we are living in the times we have to deal with this Hirhoshima-Nagasaki karma.

We can learn the hard way, or subtle

I have kids...

Its our responsibility now

As far as I understand the themes popping up on the significant key dates on the Identified patterns, there´s a huge potential we make life worse for the next generations, if not impossible
Daaaaa, they only fell asleep, no big deal to us, to them it is, and under the Human-Reliability Program, they no longer will be around nukes, end of story.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
26th July 2008, 06:07 AM
you should look at this with a sense for symbolism

Paulhoff
26th July 2008, 06:15 AM
What, people make mistakes, what else it new.

You can read into to it all you what, it still doesn't make it true.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
26th July 2008, 06:26 AM
that remains to be seen

Paulhoff
26th July 2008, 06:49 AM
Oh, I am sure that for you, you will find something that you will link to anything needed to make it work for you. To bad, you miss out on the big picture.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
26th July 2008, 07:31 AM
big picture.... so you think you are not asleep

Paulhoff
26th July 2008, 08:20 AM
big picture.... so you think you are not asleep
You have no idea what I have seen. I've seen enough nukes in one bomb storage igloo to lay waste to every capital city in Europe and then some. But by your own writings I can see that you have a small world's eye view of the universe even if you think you seen the big picture. You spin lots of words and tell us nothing new.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
7th August 2008, 05:05 AM
from the timeline:
updated August 25
according to a newspaper in Belgrade, Blic, Mladic will be arrested before the end of August and send to the tribunal in The Hague.
’Mladic voor eind augustus in Den Haag’
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1635858/__Mladic_snel_in_Den_Haag__.html?p=10,1
BELGRADO/DEN HAAG - De voormalige Bosnisch-Servische legerleider Ratko Mladic wordt “voor eind augustus” opgepakt en uitgeleverd aan het Joegoslavië-Tribunaal in Den Haag. Dit meldt de Belgradose krant Blic donderdag op gezag van “bronnen in de top van de regering”.
Blic heeft goede contacten bij het Servische veiligheidsapparaat. De krant slaagde er vorige maand als enige in een foto te bemachtigen van de net opgepakte bebaarde Radovan Karadzic, voordat de voormalige politieke baas van Mladic werd overgebracht naar Nederland.
Volgens de publicatie wil de regering gebruik maken van de zomervakantie. De nationalistische oppositie kan dan minder makkelijk mensen op de been brengen om demonstraties te organiseren. Het kabinet wil met de arrestatie eindelijk de weg vrij maken voor een snelle toenadering tot de EU, aldus Blic.
Ook de krant Press voorspelt een snelle arrestatie van Mladic, op gezag van oud-generaal Ninoslav Krstic. Die zegt dat de civiele geheime dienst BIA en zijn militaire tegenhanger VBA zeker weten waar Mladic zich schuilhoudt. Met de oproep aan Mladic woensdag om zich zelf over te geven, wil de regering de publieke opinie voorbereiden op een arrestatie, aldus Krstic.
Mladic’ neef Goran zegt in dezelfde krant dat zijn oom eerder zelfmoord pleegt dan dat hij zich laat oppakken. Anderen die Mladic goed kennen, hebben zich eerder in soortgelijke bewoordingen geuit.
Karadzic (63) en Mladic (66) zijn in 1995 aangeklaagd. De aanklagers van het VN-tribunaal willen hun berechten wegens onder meer de volkenmoord van Srebrenica.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1635858/__Mladic_snel_in_Den_Haag__.html?p=10,1
It wouldn't amaze me if Mladic is going to die around august 25

Paulhoff
7th August 2008, 05:16 AM
from the timeline:
updated August 25
according to a newspaper in Belgrade, Blic, Mladic will be arrested before the end of August and send to the tribunal in The Hague.
’Mladic voor eind augustus in Den Haag’
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1635858/__Mladic_snel_in_Den_Haag__.html?p=10,1
BELGRADO THE HAGUE - the former Bosnian-Servische-Serbian army LEADER Ratko Mladic for by the end of august is taken up and is extradited to Joegoslavië-Tribunaal in The Hague. This communicates newspaper Blic to the Belgradose Thursday on authority of sources in the top of the government.
Blic have good contacts at the Serbian security apparatus. The newspaper succeeded there previous month as some in a photograph of the exactly taken up bebaarde Radovan Karadzic, get hold of before the former political boss of Mladic was transmitted to the Netherlands.
According to the publication the government wants use of the summer holiday. The nationalist opposition can bring easily people then less on the leg to organise demonstrations. The cabinet wants turn free for a fast alignment into the EU, thus Blic with arrest at last the way.
Also the newspaper Press, on authority of oud-generaal predict a fast arrest of Mladic Ninoslav Krstic. Those say that the civil secret service BIA and its military counterpart knows VBA certainly where Mladic are in hiding themselves. With the recall to Mladic Wednesday to deliver itself himself, the government wants prepare the public opinion to an arrest, thus Krstic.
Mladic cousin Goran say its uncle more earlier suicide to that in the same newspaper commit than that he lets take up itself. Others that knows Mladic well, have rather expressed themselves in similar bewoordingen.
Karadzic (63) and Mladic (66) have been accused in 1995. The indicters of VN-tribunaal want try their because of among others the people assassination of Srebrenica.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1635858/__Mladic_snel_in_Den_Haag__.html?p=10,1
It wouldn't amaze me if Mladic is going to die around august 25
At it again are we.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
7th August 2008, 01:17 PM
nothing new here, the pattern has been outlined years ago

Paulhoff
7th August 2008, 01:54 PM
nothing new here, the pattern has been outlined years ago
Then why did you post it then, I just translated it to English.

Paul

:) :) :)

DuckTapeFileMan
8th August 2008, 01:49 AM
nothing new here, the pattern has been outlined years ago



what's your take on the idea that what you post in these threads, has an effect in the world?

And that what you post in someway contains information about its self.

Do you see what I mean?

Like you know the butterfly effect? Your posts are like a butterfly, and say you made a post that there was going to be a hurricane in New Orleans again, in 56days, that your very post would be part of the reason for that hurricane, if you see what I mean. That is assuming that your prediction was correct.

Dutch
8th August 2008, 03:36 AM
Then why did you post it then, I just translated it to English.

Paul

:) :) :)


Yes thanks, now I see

Dutch
8th August 2008, 03:45 AM
what's your take on the idea that what you post in these threads, has an effect in the world?

And that what you post in someway contains information about its self.

Do you see what I mean?

Like you know the butterfly effect? Your posts are like a butterfly, and say you made a post that there was going to be a hurricane in New Orleans again, in 56days, that your very post would be part of the reason for that hurricane, if you see what I mean. That is assuming that your prediction was correct.

and what about predicting this hurricane, assuming it was correct, and not post about?

I trully believe that knowledge about our hidden reality could lessen the impact somehow

do you see what I mean? When I talk about Hirhoshima - Nagasaki karma I don't want to predict the next nuke, I want to understand that the possibility was potentially there, but that we somehow have managed to learn our lessons via subtle epressions in our 3D reality.

Dutch
13th August 2008, 02:09 PM
OPDATED: JULY 22: KARADZIC ARRESTED ( I expected it earlier in July or in late August, I don't understand July 22 yet )
updated:
according to his lawyer Svetozar Vujacic: Karadzic has been arrested on Friday July 18, 2008 already, when he was at a bus in Belgrade.
That seems more valid to me, because that date I do understand:
Srebrenica July 11, 1995
Ascension starttriggerdate: December 19, 1990
December 19, 1990 - July 18, 2008 = 6.421 days
or 73 Mercury years in Earth days:
73 times 87.9691 = 6.421 days rounded
and of course as a consequence:
July 18, 2008:
Ascension endtriggerdate: February 8, 2013
Srebrenica July 11, 1995 - February 8, 2013 = 6.422 days
or 73 mercury years in Earth days again
WOW!
These events are unveiling and confirming the hidden underlying Design, based on intelligent correlations that are reflected in our solarsystem aswel:
I have called the thread monitoring these events: 'Balkan Karma Venus Based'
and Venus based it is....
The ascension triggerdates of Srebrenica and Karadzic' arrest:
December 19, 1990 - February 8, 2013 = 8087 days ( +/- 1 day)
Venus is confirming the Design:
36 Venus years in Earth days = 8088 days !!!

Serbian intelligence sources quoted in the Belgrade media said hunting down Gen Mladic was altogether a different prospect from snatching Mr Karadzic, who was taken without a fight on a No 73 bus in Belgrade last Friday.
bus 73...... 73 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days
That's a synchronicity 'in the face' I would say

Mladic tells bodyguards to kill him before capture
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/mladic-tells-bodyguards--to-kill-him-before-capture-1439819.html

Paulhoff
13th August 2008, 02:49 PM
Serbian intelligence sources quoted in the Belgrade media said hunting down Gen Mladic was altogether a different prospect from snatching Mr Karadzic, who was taken without a fight on a No 73 bus in Belgrade last Friday.
bus 73...... 73 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days
That's a synchronicity 'in the face' I would say

Mladic tells bodyguards to kill him before capture
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/mladic-tells-bodyguards--to-kill-him-before-capture-1439819.html
Sooo, News again.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
21st August 2008, 01:27 AM
FLIGHT 5022 crash in Madrid
from the timeline:
August 8, 2008 - Opening Ceremony Olympics in China
I thought this Opening Ceremony should give a strong confirmation of hidden underlying Design, with this Opening Ceremony as Phi point in relation to the end of the Mayan Calendar:
August 8, 2008 - December 21, 2012 = 1596
1596 times Phi golden Mean gives 2583 days rounded
2583 days prior to the Openings Ceremony on August 8, 2008:
July 13, 2001
on that day:
Beijing wins the bid to host the 2008 Summer Olympics
monitoring:
Russian forces battle Georgians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm
Spectacular opening for Olympics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7548539.stm
Georgian leader: State of war with Russia
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html
Clays Shed Light on History of Mars Water and Possibly Life
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080807-mars-clay-02.html
If we go back in time 1 step on this End of Mayan Calendar - Opening ceremony - Beijing wins the bid to host the 2008 Summer Olympics ,
than we do arrive around February 4, 1990.
Just 3 days off, think Hirhoshima - Nagasaki ( 3 days apart, interchangeable), the current timeframe, this happened ( with the current war situation between Russia and Georgia in mind):
Dissolution of the USSR
On February 7, 1990, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union agreed to give up its monopoly of power.
History of the Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Soviet_Union#Dissolution_of_the_US SR
Tape: Top CIA official confesses order to forge Iraq-9/11 letter came on White House stationery
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Tape_Top_CIA_officer_confesses_order_0808.html
Bush says violence in Georgia is unacceptable
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26124396/
Bush accuses Russia over cease-fire
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html

August 14 - flight 522 crash anniversary
Sulemein visiting Assad in Syria
Tripoli bus bomb
US and Poland sign defence deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561926.stm
Ban welcomes outcome of Lebanon-Syria talks
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=27708&Cr=syria&Cr1=leban
Gates: Russia must step back from 'aggressive posture'
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/08/14/us.georgia/index.html
July Obama jet incident more serious than first reported
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Politics/story?id=5581453&page=1

U.S. Satellite Shootdown: The Inside Story
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6533
see also February 20 on timeline Q1, with flight 522 crash on the triggers, the timeframe of the shootdown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flight 522 crash 'is in the air' so to speak, we are still running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation
Russia warns Poland; Georgia awaits cease-fire
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26216434/
Back-door US-Russian contacts to de-escalate war of words - after Moscow threatens to nuke Poland
Secret US-Russian contacts to cool near-nuclear crisis
http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5511
August 17, 2008 - Hyper Dimensional Cube macrolevel orientation.
Phi point Sumatra quake - HD Cube November 2010 (yellowstone)
Thousands join Peru quake protest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7564703.stm
Turkish warplanes 'bomb PKK base'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7566322.stm
and because it is HD Cube at macrolevel orientation we can expect Hariri / Syria-first related developments too, just as on every HD date at macrolevel orientations since the killing of Rafik Hariri
Russia considers nuclear missiles for Syria, Mediterranean, Baltic
http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5513
Sleiman describes Lebanon-Syria summit as first step toward brotherly ties
The former president added that the improvement of relations between Beirut and Damascus was also dependent on the fate of the international tribunal to try suspects in the murder of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=95118
Iran launches satellite carrier
The White House voiced concern, saying the technology could also be used for launching weapons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7566804.stm
Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War
http://www.infowars.com/?p=4015
Arab world fears an Iran war may be impending
http://www1.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5516
Moscow accuses Israel of arming Georgia - day before Assad arrives for big arms purchases
On Aug. 17, military sources reported Moscow's planned retaliation for America's missile interceptors in Poland and US-Israeli military aid to Georgia may come in the form of Iskandar surface missiles installed in Syria and its Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad.
http://www1.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5523
During the timeframe in between the flight 522 crash anniversary
and the "Fire Alignment" which is closely related to the end of the 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral 9/11- Madrid ( see timeline March 22-23, 2008 ):

FLIGHT 5022 crashes in Madrid!!! on August 20.
Search for clues in Madrid crash
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7573674.stm
coinciding with the signing of the US - Poland missile deal, very disturbing:
Russia condemns US missile deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7573409.stm

August 24, 2008 - "Fire Alignment", see article by Goro:
Phoenix Impact
Through the Looking-Glass
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/phoenix-impact.htm
also closely related to the end of the 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral 9/11- Madrid, see timeline March 22-23, 2008.
So this flight 5022 crash happened in between the flight 522 crash anniversary and the 'Fire Alignment', which is closely related to the end of the 911 based 9/11 - Madrid bombings timecoded spiral.
the bodies in the morgue are confirming this sinister 'coincidence':
A long convoy of black hearses rolled out of the airport grounds during the night to carry bodies to a makeshift morgue, where the victims' relatives, some of whom had travelled from the Canary Islands, gathered.
The convention centre on the outskirts of the capital was also used as a mortuary during the Madrid train bombings four years ago.
It was the deadliest air accident in Spain since a Colombian airline's Boeing 747 crashed in Madrid in 1983 killing 181 people.
The 747 crash in 1983 happened on November 27, 1983
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_11
The elements of HDDesign unveil the hidden correlations:
1111 awakenings starttriggerdate of November 27, 1983:
May 21, 1982
May 21, 1982 - August 20, 1980 = 9.588 days
or exactly 109 mercury years in Earth days
109 times 87.96 = 9.588 days
So Mercury 'The Messenger' was at the same geometrical position during the 555 aweakenings starttrigger related to 747 crash in Madrid on November 27, 1983 as during yesterdays crash of flight 5022!!!!!!!!!!
and as an 'in the face':
While becomming aware of this I noticed a very profound correlation with this US - Poland missile deal in mind, aswell as the other relevant events as mentioned on the timeline for the current timeframe:
Mercury 'The Messenger' is also at the same position during flight 5022 crah as during 'Deep Impact'!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 4, 2005 - August 20, 2008 = 1.143 days
or exactly 13 Mercury Years in Earth days
13 times 87.96 = 1.143 days
OMG!
and Mercury is at the same position too as during the end of the Mayan Calendar on December 21, 2012 !!!!!!
August 20, 2008 - December 21, 2012 = 1.584 days
or exactly 18 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earthdays:
18 times 87.96 = 1.584 ( rounded)

Paul
21st August 2008, 03:45 AM
Well done Dutch, you managed to use 153 real, dead, people to push your useless pet nonsense.

Dutch
21st August 2008, 03:58 AM
Well done Dutch, you managed to use 153 real, dead, people to push your useless pet nonsense.

Yes, don't forget to mention those who died on flight 522 in Greece, or those on 9/11, or those during Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, etc., etc.

Are you sure they didn't die because of your own ignorance and lack of positive contribution to our ( collective ) consciousness?

Paul
21st August 2008, 04:16 AM
Yes, don't forget to mention those who died on flight 522 in Greece, or those on 9/11, or those during Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, etc., etc.Some people really don't know when to stop making unbelievably crass statements of towering stupidity.

Are you sure they didn't die because of your own ignorance and lack of positive contribution to our ( collective ) consciousness?Absolutely, positively, totally, utterly, perfectly, entirely, wholly, fully, thoroughly, unreservedly, definitely, certainly, positively, unconditionally, categorically, unquestionably, undoubtedly, without a doubt, without question, surely, unequivocally, exactly, precisely, decisively, conclusively, manifestly, in every way/respect, one hundred per cent, every inch, to the hilt, and without any reservation.

Dutch
21st August 2008, 04:24 AM
Thanks for giving this balance

Paulhoff
21st August 2008, 06:39 AM
Thanks for giving this balance
No thanks for reporting only the bad news.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
21st August 2008, 08:08 AM
Thanks for giving this balanceSomebody has to apparently.

Blue Mountain
21st August 2008, 10:36 AM
Dutch, I suspect this has been pointed out many times before in this thread, but not on this page, so I'll mention it for the benefit of any lurkers or newcomers who come directly to this page.

All you're doing here is a bunch of post-hoc rationalization. Had you predicted the crash in Madrid before it happened, we would have been impressed.

Heck, I could have my computer just generate a bunch of random numbers and phrases (there are algorithms out there that produce relatively coherent output from random input) and dump the lot of it to a file every day. Whenever something big happens in the world, I could then review these random data dumps, link a bunch of phrases and numbers together, and say, "See? My computer predicted this! It's amazing!"

But the truth is, with a big enough data set you can some to a large number of conclusions after the fact. That's all you're doing here. Every post you make to this thread after a big unexpected event only confirms that conclusion.

Do something that actually impresses us, like predicting something before it happens!

Dutch
22nd August 2008, 12:20 AM
I don't claim to have predicted this flight 5022 crash, however I did put the flight 522 crash and the Madrid reference a priory on the timeline for the current timeframe.

I have put these events into context so to speak, fitting the hidden underlying Design. The events on the key dates are significant and should be understood.

As I have mentioned on the timeline prior to the flight 5022 crash, the flight 522 crash in Greece ( 'running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation') was 'in the air' so to speak.

With my current understanding of the hidden underlying Design and the themes that are expressed, I would have expected a related event with this flight 5022 if I knew that this flight was scheduled during this current timeframe in Madrid.

I wouldn't have taken that flight.

You should look at the events that took place during the keydate of this current timeframe, as reposted above.

Dutch
22nd August 2008, 03:16 AM
522.......
Flight 522 + 5022 crashes are marking the nuclear theme of our times as described in this HDDesign material
these are the times of the Hirhoshima-Nagasaki echo
Hirhoshima - flight 522 crash on August 14, 2005 creates a timeframe of
21.924 days , or exactly 42 times ....... 522!
Hirhoshima and Nagasaki are confirming the keydates of the current timeframe:
on this years flight 522 crash anniversary, August 14, Mercury 'The Messenger was on the same realative geometrical position on its orbit as during the awakenings starttriggerdate of Hirhoshima:
The awakeningstimeframe of Hirhoshima + Mercury gives flight 522 crash:
awakenings starttriggerdate of August 6, 1945: January 29, 1944
January 29, 1944 - August 14, 2008 ( flight 522 crash anniversary, 'running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation', Poland missile deal)= 23.575 days
or 23.575 / 87.9691 = 268 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in earthdays.
The awakeningstimeframe of Hirhoshima + Venus gives flight 5022 crash:
awakenings endtriggerdate of August 6, 1945: February 12, 1947
February 12, 1947 - August 20, 2008 ( flight 5022 crash, Poland missile deal) = 22.470 days
or a Venus Century in earth days! ( 100 times 224,7001)
but there's more:
The Russia-Georgia war broke out with venus at the same relative geometrical position as during the ascension endtriggerdate of Hirhoshima
The awakenings starttriggerdate of Nagasaki is the same position for Mercury as during this years HD Cube around August 17 ( see timeline for related events)
The 911 'control' starttriggerdate of Nagasaki is the same position for Mercury as during this years flight 522 anniversary ( see timeline for related events)
The awakenings endtriggerdate of Nagasaki wil coincide with the closing ceremony + the 'Fire Alignment' ( see timeline when that day comes)

Paulhoff
22nd August 2008, 06:20 AM
Dutch, you so-called Hyper.... tells us nothing, you only cherry-pick news events to make it look good to only you. We don't buy it at all. Without being able to makes any predictions it has no use at all and shows us nothing.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
22nd August 2008, 08:51 AM
522.......
Flight 522 + 5022 crashes are marking the nuclear theme of our timesIn what way is there a nuclear connection?

Mercury 'The Messenger was on the same realative geometrical position on its orbit as during the awakenings starttriggerdate of Hirhoshima:Please give us the exact dates and positions.

or a Venus Century in earth days! Why do you think it is significant that a number of days greater than the length of the shortest orbit can be made to fit with a multiple of the orbital period of an astronomical object chosen specifically from a large pool?

but there's more: Oooh...

The Russia-Georgia war broke out with venus at the same relative geometrical position as during the ascension endtriggerdate of Hirhoshima Exact dates and positions please.

The awakenings endtriggerdate of Nagasaki wil coincide with the closing ceremony + the 'Fire Alignment' ( see timeline when that day comes)Coincide how? What will happen? What is the fire alignment? If the end dates passes without catastrophe does that mean the whole time line is invalid?

Paulhoff
27th August 2008, 07:58 PM
MTPj9VlNzQ0

About 30 minutes into this is for you Dutch.

Paul

:) :) :)

Sideroxylon
29th August 2008, 12:14 AM
Michael Shermer often describes people as "pattern-seeking animals" and the poster here seems to be desperately trying to find some order to explain or predict the tragic and threatening events we witness through the media every day.

With so many numbers associated with each event to cherry pick, along with rounding and other constants like the golden mean arbitrarily thrown in when required, surely you can retrofit anything that comes up.

Dutch
29th August 2008, 01:19 AM
"see timeline when that day comes"
from the timeline:
August 24, 2008 - "Fire Alignment", see article by Goro:
Phoenix Impact
Through the Looking-Glass
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/phoenix-impact.htm
http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/virgin-equinox-align3.gif
also closely related to the end of the 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral 9/11- Madrid, see timeline March 22-23, 2008.
US warship reaches Georgian port
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7579506.stm
Explosion severs Azerbaijan-Georgia-Europe fuel railway link
http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5530
Russian MPs back Georgia's rebels
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7580386.stm
Bush warns Moscow over breakaway autonomy
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/25/russia.vote/index.html
Russia recognizes Georgian rebel regions
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/26/russia.vote.georgia/index.html
Russia lashes out as U.S. ship arrives in Georgia
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/27/russia.georgia/index.html
Egypt on top alert for major al Qaeda attack
http://www1.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5531
Fire at Spanish nuclear plant
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080824/twl-spain-fire-nuclear-energy-6b0205e.html
Spanish jet makes unscheduled landing
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/24/plane.spain/index.html
Beijing bids farewell to Olympics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/7578133.stm
Plane crashes in Kyrgyz capital
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7580107.stm
fire on a plane in Munchen
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1772487/__Brand_in_vliegtuig_Munchen__.html?p=7,1
Forced landing for Ryanair flight
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7581492.stm
The fact that this Russia-Georgia conflict emerged during the timeframe of the beginning of the Olympics, means that this emerging conflict is directly linked to the end of the Mayan Calendar.
The flight 5022 crash in Spain unveiled, at least to me, that the underlying theme is nuclear, as confirmed with the 522 crash and Hirhoshima-Nagasaki references as posted above.
The fire at the nuclear plant in Spain during the 'Fire Alignment' confirms the hidden underlying nuclear theme.
Suddenly we find ourselves in a renewed conflict between Russia and the West, that will play a significant role in the destiny of mankind, qua timing linked to the end of the Mayan Calendar.
next date on the timeline:
August 25, 2008 Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary.
AND next Venus years on the pattern as monitored: Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica sueing Dutch government. Karadzic is already captured, keep your eues on Mladic too.
according to a newspaper in Belgrade, Blic, Mladic will be arrested before the end of August and send to the tribunal in The Hague.
’Mladic voor eind augustus in Den Haag’
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1635858/__Mladic_snel_in_Den_Haag__.html?p=10,1
Ex-Dutchbatters willen getuigen voor Karadzic
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1757521/__Ex-Dutchbatters_willen_getuigen__.html
in English:
Dutch peacekeepers defend Karadžić
Dutch Soldiers from Srebrenica Battalion Offer to Testify in Karadzic’s Defense
“In Srebrenica at the time we had to protect ourselves from the Bosnian Muslims, rather than protect the Muslims from the Serbs”, Dutch soldiers who served as UN peacekeepers in Srebrenica during the Bosnian civil war said in Belgrade.
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/dutch-peacekeepers-defend-karadzic/
What does this mean? soldiers from Dutchbat supporting Karadzic and Hillary supporting Obama, rivals unite:
Mrs Clinton herself, addressing delegates from her home state of New York on Monday, urged them to throw their support behind Mr Obama.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7581473.stm
here's the Obama 'security issue'
OBAMA escapes assassination attempt
4 men arrested in Denver
Obama ontsnapt aan moordaanslag
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1770631/__Obama_ontsnapt_aan_moordaanslag__.html?p=2,1
Obama assassination plot fears as armed men arrested
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4609445.ece
Plot to Assassinate Obama Unravels in Denver
http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/25/plot_to_assassinate_obama_unravels.php
Sarkozy recognises WWII massacre
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7581069.stm
Seselj
Serbia's Seselj wants two months to decide on defence at The Hague
25/08/2008
http://www.balkantimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/newssummary/#setimes/newsbriefs/2008/08/25/nb-04
Mladic
EU Tells Serbia to Act on Mladic
26 August 2008 Belgrade _ The EU’s Rapporteur for Serbia says top war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladic will have to be at The Hague before any decision on Belgrade’s closer ties with the bloc is made.
http://balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/12624/
Srebrenica karma indeed:
Bosnia court indicts Serb ex-policeman for genocide
August 26, 2008
SARAJEVO (Reuters) - Bosnia's war crimes court on Tuesday indicted a Bosnian Serb former policeman on a charge of genocide for taking part in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of up to 8,000 Muslim men and boys.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Bosnia_court_indicts_Serb_ex_policeman_for_genocid e.html?siteSect=143&sid=9614815&cKey=1219754278000&ty=ti
Karadzic heeft geen hoop op eerlijk proces
http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=9344120
Top Balkan war criminal Mladic sparks new guessing game
http://eyugoslavia.com/belgrade/27/top-balkan-war-criminal-mladic-sparks-new-guessing-game-22551/
This timeframe around August 25 was the first timeframe that the 2 monitored underlying timecoded patterns coincided.
I wrote ( as part of my July 24 post here on this forum, see full post)
The next Venus Year around January 13, 2008 came and I wrote:
"I expected developments around January 13, 2008 on the 'Balkan Karma' timecoded pattern, that found its origin with the Srebrenica Massacre back in July 1995, the biggest massacre in Europe since WWII. Peace keeping forces from The Netherlands were supposed to protect the muslims in UN safe haven srebrenica, but the troops surrendered to the Serbs when air support was refused. The Dutch soldiers didn't fight the Serbs and failed to protect the muslims.
As a result thousands of muslim men and boys were seperated from their families and shot to death in the area around Portocari while the Dutch soldiers eventually returned home safely.
This terrible theme finds its expressions in 2 already identified timecoded patterns, the first one is the 911 HD Tetrahedron based Golden Mean Phi timecoded spiral which is monitored in a seperate thread while the keydates are mentioned on the timelines.
The other one is the Venus based 'Balkan Karma' timecoded pattern which is also monitored in a seperate thread and determined this timeframe around January 13, 2008. This timeframe made me expect prior to March 11, 2006 that someone 'would be taken out by Design' in relation to this underlying theme and I posted it prior to the timeframe.
On the expected date Milosevic died in his prison.
This same underlying Venus based timecoded pattern took out Arkan and as I expected for the timeframe around June 2, 2007: Tolimir, the number 3 on the most wanted list, just after Mladic and Karadzic.
During that same timeframe the Gouvernment of the Netherlands was sued by the women of Srebrenica, who marched to the International Court in The Netherlands to file the legal documents.
I asked to keep an eye on Mladic and karadzic and on those (politically) responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre and look what actually happened during the timeframe:
2 Dutch soldiers killed in Afghanistan
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/6337205.html
Its the first time that 2 Dutch soldiers were killed on same day during this peacekeeping mission in Uruzgan. The soldiers were killed by friendly fire.
The troops that didn't protect the people of Srebrenica, the inital event of this timecoded pattern, are now killing their own on the next hit of the timecoded pattern
The 'message' becomes clear further down the timecoded pattern. Those responsible for the Srebrenica massacre will have to deal with their responsibilities sooner or later. The same underlying timecoded pattern that took out Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir and that brought the women of Srebrenica, who lost their men and sons, to The Netherlands in order to sue the Dutch gouvernment, is now showing this terrible incident with Dutch soldiers shooting at eachother killing 2 and wounding more.
The underlying Design is unveiling the profound truth behind the events in our reality. The decission not to protect the people of Srebrenica, with thousands of muslim men and boys shot to death as a result, is the same as killing your own.
This pattern will continue and shows a next hit in August 2008. Mladic and Karadzic are still out there. It could be that an related conviction will happen, or that they are arested. Or maybe it becomes clear who's responsible for the refusal of air support.
If these events around January 13 didn't convince you of the validity of the underlying Design, maybe the next hit will do with the given information in mind"
next date is around August 25, 2008 as mentioned on the timeline.

The fact that Dutch peacekeepers defend Karadžić during this timeframe is an expression of both underlying timecoded patterns.
'Srebrenica' happened around July 11, 1995 and is the key event as monitored in the 'Balkan karma Venus based' thread. The high profile killings of Fortuyn and van Gogh in The Netherlands were the key events that made me identify this 911 based Phi Golden Mean timecoded spiral that has been monitored in a seperate thread.
In 2006 I became aware of the connectedness between these two timecoded patterns as explained in these threads and from then on Srebrenica karma was identified as the underlying theme of this 911 based Phi timecoded spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh.
Just this week I wondered if there would be a direct link between the Srebrenica Massacre and the killings of Fortuyn and van Gogh.
Although I already understood that the 2 patternes were linked, I had never looked at the beginning of these 2 patterns in order to find confirmation, until this week.
First thing to do is to determine the awakenings timeframe around an eventsday and to look at planetary positions in relation to these triggerdates as I call them.
Srebrenica massacre: July 11, 1995
555 awakenings starttriggerdate : January 1, 1994
555 awakenings endtriggerdate : January 17, 1997
Pim Fortuyn killed: May 6, 2002
Theo van Gogh killed: November 2, 2004
911 days apart or 2 dots of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron.
The triggerdates are set and need to be checked with the planetary positions, to begin with Mercury 'The Messenger'.
The HDDesign is confirmed instantly, profound and unmistaken:
January 17, 1997 - May 6, 2002 = 1935 or 22 Mercury years in Earth days
22 * 87.9691 = 1935 days
January 1, 1994 - November 2, 2004 = 3958 or 45 Mercury years in Earth days
45 * 87.9691 = 3958
So Mercury 'The Messenger'is at the same relative geometrical position on its orbit during the 2 awakenings triggerdates of the Srebrenica massacre as on both the killings of Fortuyn and van Gogh.
Although I had already identified the 'srebrenica karma' as underlying theme for this Fortuyn-van Gogh timecoded spiral years ago, I did not know of this profound and fundamental connection between the 2 patterns
This same 911 based Phi timecoded spiral made me identfy this 'Obama and/or Hillary security issue' as underlying theme. I have put it on the timeline ever since Ayaan Hirshi Ali went to the US.
The first date was around May 2, 2007:
Obama placed under Secret Service protection
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/03/obama.protection/index.html
I have to emphasize it was a very early protection and came suddenly
next date was around December 3, 2007
I wrote in anticipation of this date on the timeline:
Around december 3 gives the next hit on the 911 based Golden mean spiral wich initially originated in the Netherlands with the Killing of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh, spiralling inwards with the developments around Hirshi-Ali and politics in The netherlands and the US too. This pattern made me expect a security issue for Obama or Hillary on the last hit back in May this year. On that day Obama was placed under an early protection of the Secret Services due to unspecified threats. The deepest underlying theme is Srebrenica.
Its 2 days early but could be a valid expression of the underlying themes :
Hostage drama at Clinton office
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7122013.stm
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2007/POLITICS/11/30/clinton.office/t1home.nh.hostage3.whdh.jpg
Reports: Two hostages freed at Clinton campaign office
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/30/clinton.office/index.html
Clinton relieved crisis 'ended peacefully'
Clinton meets with staffers after hostage ordeal
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/30/clinton.office/index.html
Since today, Hirshi Ali asks civilians to pay for her protection, since she's no longer protected by the US secret services and the Dutch Government will no longer to pay for her protection
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2687110/Hirsi_Ali_schakelt_burgers_in.html?p=19,2
the Ayaan Hirsi Ali Security Trust has been established:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali Security Trust
http://ayaanhirsiali.org/Security.html
next date arouns April 14, 2008:
already emerging end of March:
Dutch MP posts Islam film on web
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7317506.stm
Profile: Geert Wilders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7314636.stm
See related thread "911 based Golden Mean spiral in Dutch society"
Obama lashes out at Clinton over her response to 'bitter' remarks
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
and here's the valid expression on this timecoded pattern. This 911 Tetrahedron based Golden Mean Phi spiral started with the killing of Pim Fortuyn back on May 6, 2002. He was killed by convicted murderer Volkert van der Graaf. On this next keydate on the the spiral Voklert is hitting the headlines again: he is going to sue Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' because this newspaper accused Volkert of another killing of Chris van der Werken in 1996.
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7134&mode=&order=0&thold=0
another valid expression:
Geert Wilders says he's living in fear since Fitna the Movie:
in Dutch:
Wilders ernstig bedreigd na vertoning Fitna
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/politiek/artikel/asp/artnr/201614/index.htm/?l
and Wilders again:
Moslimlanden: Vervolg Wilders
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3800012/_Moslimlanden__Vervolg_Wilders__.html?p=8,1
updated around April 14:
remember that the 'Srebrenica massacre' is one of the deepest underlying themes of this timcoded pattern.
New war crimes chief in Belgrade
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7352813.stm
synchronicity:
Well,
call it a coincidence, but I decided to check:
Mercury 'The Messenger'at exactly the same geometrical position as during the Srebrenica massacre
July 11, 1995 - April 17, 2008 = 4.664 days or 53 Mercury Years in Earth days!
next date July 5, 2008
UN court clears Srebrenica chief
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7486999.stm
In the face, I will translate later because its in Dutch:
vr 04 jul 2008, 22:38
Republiek klaagt Nederland aan voor rol Srebrenica
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/1429502/__Republiek_klaagt_Nederland_aan__.html?p=1,1
Verhagen: houding Wilders contraproductief
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/1429281/__Verhagen_laakt_houding_Wilders__.html?p=3,1
Bosnian Serb fears violence on massacre anniversary
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080704/twl-warcrimes-bosnia-srebrenica-oric-4bdc673.html
a surprising 'coincidence' , 'Srebrenica' in Korea:
AP IMPACT: US wavered over S. Korean executions
Quote:
The American colonel, troubled by what he was hearing, tried to stall at first. But the declassified record shows he finally told his South Korean counterpart it "would be permitted" to machine-gun 3,500 political prisoners, to keep them from joining approaching enemy forces.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070600975.html
'security issue' for Obama:
Obama plane diverts to St. Louis
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/07/obama-plane-diverts-to-st-louis-2/
next date August 25, 2008
here's the Obama 'security issue'
OBAMA escapes assassination attempt
4 men arrested in Denver
Obama ontsnapt aan moordaanslag
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1770631/__Obama_ontsnapt_aan_moordaanslag__.html?p=2,1
Obama assassination plot fears as armed men arrested
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4609445.ece
Plot to Assassinate Obama Unravels in Denver
http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/25/plot_to_assassinate_obama_unravels.php
The 2 patterns will continue and will give related expressions around the determined key dates
Next on the Venus based Balkan karma timecoded pattern:
April 7, 2009
The 911 based Phi timecoded spiral:
September 25, 2008
October 15, 2008
October 27, 2008
expiring during the period from aprox November 2, 2008 ( Van Gogh trigger event) until around Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level:
November 15, 2008
related threads:
911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-hddesign.html
Balkan Karma Venus based
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about4-hddesign.html

Dutch
29th August 2008, 04:51 AM
from the timeline:
August 29, 2008 - Ariel Sharon

update August 29, 2008: Goro posted on his Etemenanki today August 29, 2008:
note that goro has determined this date from a different perspective.
I used the ongoing pattern linked to Sharon's stroke and the Mercury Transit of November 8, 2006, that has been mentioned on the timeline since the beginning of 2007.
Once again it seems Goro's work and the HDDesign are complementary

http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/08/Mayan911-phi-pt.gif
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

Paulhoff
29th August 2008, 05:47 AM
Michael Shermer often describes people as "pattern-seeking animals" and the poster here seems to be desperately trying to find some order to explain or predict the tragic and threatening events we witness through the media every day.

With so many numbers associated with each event to cherry pick, along with rounding and other constants like the golden mean arbitrarily thrown in when required, surely you can retrofit anything that comes up.
And has you can see we have one of those "pattern-seeking animals" here and just think of all the energy used to really do something worthwhile and not used to cherry pick.

Paul

:) :) :)

Sideroxylon
29th August 2008, 06:14 AM
And has you can see we have one of those "pattern-seeking animals" here and just think of all the energy used to really do something worthwhile and not used to cherry pick.

Absolutely Paul. I wish I could apply myself in the same way, though to something with more obvious benefits.

John

Paulhoff
29th August 2008, 06:25 AM
Absolutely Paul. I wish I could apply myself in the same way, though to something with more obvious benefits.

John
In this case study, he is much like a cat and/or a dog that is afraid of thunder, no matter how much you talk to them and explain that it is only a sound, you get nowhere and their behavior doesn’t change.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
31st August 2008, 11:25 PM
Remember Hyper Dimensional Cube date August 17, 2005!

evidence that Katrina was probably manipulated by Hyper Dimensional energy flows, manifested on the by me pre-determined Hyper Dimensional CUBE date August 17:
Monday, September 26, 2005
"Hyperdimensional Katrina": Scientific Evidence -- NEW Rita Update! -- 7:33 PM- 9/26/05
quote:
"August 17, 2005 -- fully 12 days BEFORE Katrina hit New Orleans!!
Obviously, then, this official National Weather Service radar data CANNOT be from the landfall of Hurricane Katrina ... which didn't come ashore in southern Louisiana until the wee hours of August 29th!
In fact, here's what the official radar loop (below) of Katrina's actual landfall on the 29th
==
So, what makes the loop from the 17th -- twelve days earlier -- so unusual ...?
This!
This image (below) is the last pre-sunset GEOS visual satellite image of the Louisiana area from the same day as the New Orleans' radar "anomaly" -- August 17th.
As you can see, it reveals a few thunderstorms situated to the north and west of New Orleans the City ... but in the area northeast of the City -- where those peculiar "radar bands" are locasted in the close-up -- there are no clouds or precipitation at all!
==
Just what the hell is going on!?
Radar images on the National Weather Service NEXRAD image loops are created by transmitted radar energy (from the radar antenna) being reflected back to that same antenna, as a function of azimuth (a 360-degree position, relative to the transmitter). The NEXRAD system "refreshes" these images every 6 minutes -- revealing precipitation (rain, or hail or snow) within hundreds of miles of the antenna. Sometimes, when birds are migrating ... or insects are swarming in the Spring ... the radar system can detect echoes from objects OTHER than raindrops or snowflakes ... but that is very rare.
In this case, two highly patterned, incredibly regular, slowly-rotating "vortices" -- one northeast of New Orleans, the other to the south, and in TOTALLY CLEAR AIR! -- are reflecting strong echoes BACK to the NEXRAD antenna ... when there's NOTHING suspended in that air for the radar beam to be reflecting from!!
Totally inexplicable ... by any standard meteorological measure.
And, in case you have any remaining doubts about the truly anomalous nature of this August 17th New Orleans' radar loop, here (below) is a simultaneous infrared series of GEOS satellite images from UNISYS (a commerical weather corporation, offering National Weather Service data to its clients) of the same area ... and covering the same time period (note the time code at the top-right of the graphic).
==
Yet, the anomalous "radar bands" of August 17, 2005 persist ... centered on New Orleans.
===
Just like a giant "bulls eye" was somehow being painted on the Crescent City ... 12 days before Katrina struck.
==
That, in fact, is exactly what our "hyperdimensional model" for Hurricane Katrina is proposing: that what we are seeing in this extraordinary radar sequence ... is the standard NEXRAD radar signal being -- somehow -- reflected back from the clear air over and around New Orleans ... air which has somehow been made "radar reflective" by the application of an otherwise invisible "energy" signature ... from somewhere.
While the precise nature of this anomalous "reflection mechanism" is currently unknown -- without further information from other sensor systems -- possibilities range from "actual ionization of the air" itself (making it more electrically conductive -- and thus radar reflective), to equally anomalous "wavelike" changes in the density of the air within the rotating radar beam ....
In the HD Model, it is this "HD imprinting" of New Orleans, by this impossible (in current physics) "energy vortex signature" which ... 12 days later ... literally attracted Hurricane Katrina right to New Orleans ... exactly like a homesick homing pigeon!
:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
read Hoaglands update here:
link (http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm)
Gustav is going to make landfall on September 1, 2008
August 17, 2005 - September 1, 2008
1111 days or the basic Awakenings timeframe!!!!
Also Phi point between September 11, 2001 and December 23 , 2012
September 11, 2001 - December 23, 2012 = 4.121
4.121 / 1.61803399 (Phi) = 2.547 days
2.547 days from 9/11 gives September 1, 2008
As you can see in the material, I use both 21 and 23 December as the end of the Mayan calender:
December 23, 2012 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012
The latter is exactly 6 Mars years in Earthdays from 9/11:
4.121 is 6 times 686.97 ( Mars year in Earthdays)

Paulhoff
1st September 2008, 05:43 AM
Remember Hyper Dimensional Cube date August 17, 2005!


Gustav is going to make landfall on September 1, 2008
August 17, 2005 - September 1, 2008
1111 days or the basic Awakenings timeframe!!!!
Also Phi point between September 11, 2001 and December 23 , 2012
September 11, 2001 - December 23, 2012 = 4.121
4.121 / 1.61803399 (Phi) = 2.547 days
2.547 days from 9/11 gives September 1, 2008
As you can see in the material, I use both 21 and 23 December as the end of the Mayan calender:
December 23, 2012 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012
The latter is exactly 6 Mars years in Earthdays from 9/11:
4.121 is 6 times 686.97 ( Mars year in Earthdays)
So, you show us nothing but cherry-picked history, you show us nothing that shows that you're on to something.

Paul

:) :) :)

Blue Mountain
1st September 2008, 06:42 AM
Remember Hyper Dimensional Cube date August 17, 2005!

Gustav is going to make landfall on September 1, 2008
Why do you ignore the fact that Hurricane Gustav made landfall a full five days earlier?


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Gustav&oldid=235585899):
Hurricane Gustav is the seventh tropical cyclone, third hurricane and second major hurricane of the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season. It formed on the morning of August 25, about 260 miles (420 km) southeast of Port-au-Prince, Haiti, and rapidly strengthened into a tropical storm that afternoon and into a hurricane early on August 26. Later that day it made landfall near the Haitian town of Jacmel.
(Bolding mine)

Dutch
1st September 2008, 12:58 PM
Haiti is Louisiana? the HD 'imprint' ( HD cube August 17, 2005) was over the New orleans area:confused:

Paul
1st September 2008, 02:03 PM
Haiti is Louisiana? the HD 'imprint' ( HD cube August 17, 2005) was over the New orleans area:confused:If you're going to claim a relationship that precise with a moving body in space, your 'system' should be far more accurate than you allow.

Paul
1st September 2008, 02:05 PM
As you can see in the material, I use both 21 and 23 December as the end of the Mayan calenderIt doesn't matter what justifications you invent, you can't have it both ways. At least have the courage to pick one date and stick to it.

Paul
1st September 2008, 02:19 PM
from the timeline:
August 29, 2008 - Ariel Sharon...snipUnless 80 year old comatose Israeli still alive is news, you would appear to be entirely incorrect.


Once again it seems Goro's work and the HDDesign are complementaryIf by complimentary you mean 'Goro and HDDesign both fail to predict anything, of any use, to anyone, anywhere', then yes.

Paulhoff
1st September 2008, 02:20 PM
Haiti is Louisiana? the HD 'imprint' ( HD cube August 17, 2005) was over the New orleans area:confused:
And Miami is Philadelphia, New York City is whatever you what it to be......

When you use any date and/or place fit want you want it to be, why not.........

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
2nd September 2008, 01:09 AM
September 5, 2008 - Rosetta's next stop is asteroid 2867 Steins
http://www.planetary.org/news/2007/1122_New_Image_Rosetta_Sees_Earth_In_Color.html
updated on September 2, 2008:
This asteroid 2867 Steins flyby is at Phipoint between the next Rosetta flyby of asteroid 21 Lutetia on July 10, 2010 and July 16, 2007, the eventsday of the expected direct Nagasaki echo. On that day a powerful Typhon coincided with a strong earthquake in Japan, causing the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak
see timeline Q3 2007 July - August - September
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about260-hddesign.html
and timeline Q3, 2008 Jul - Aug - Sep
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html

nzric
2nd September 2008, 02:37 AM
Dutch. There's one way to convince everyone...

Upload a calendar from today's date until the end of 2009.

Write "something significant will happen on these days"

Write "if anything happens within this (non-significant) date range, it will be less significant to global affairs than the first dates"

Then, leave and come back at the end of 2009 and say "I told you so" once we all discuss the relative "importance" of the events that fell in these dates.

Dutch
2nd September 2008, 04:28 AM
September 5, 2008 - Rosetta's next stop is asteroid 2867 Steins
http://www.planetary.org/news/2007/1122_New_Image_Rosetta_Sees_Earth_In_Color.html
updated on September 2, 2008:
This asteroid 2867 Steins flyby is at Phipoint between the next Rosetta flyby of asteroid 21 Lutetia on July 10, 2010 and July 16, 2007, the eventsday of the expected direct Nagasaki echo. On that day a powerful Typhon coincided with a strong earthquake in Japan, causing the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak
see timeline Q3 2007 July - August - September
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about260-hddesign.html
and timeline Q3, 2008 Jul - Aug - Sep
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html

!!!!!!!!!!

This puts 'Hirhoshima' 3 days earlier on September 2, 2008:

Tuesday, 2 September 2008

Pelosi visits Hiroshima memorial
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7593298.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7593298.stm)

The speaker of the US House of Representatives has laid flowers at a Japanese memorial to atom bomb victims.

Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, is the highest ranking US figure to visit the site in Hiroshima, the first city in the world to suffer a nuclear attack.

Paulhoff
2nd September 2008, 05:57 AM
Dutch has put so much time and effort into his Hyper stuff that to admit to the world that it doesn't work would be virtually imposable for him to do now.

Paul

:) :) :)

Also he can need to see patterns so badly that he just can help himself.

Dutch
5th September 2008, 02:24 AM
updated September 5

So today is the day of the Rosetta fly-by of asteroid Steins.

When Rosetta was launched back in 2004, I already had a feeling about its significance, but I didn't had the understanding of the hidden underlying Design back than as I do have at the moment.

I have put it on the timeline and gave it a look this week. First thought was to look at the Phi points between the fly-by's, and something significant popped up, I wrote:

September 5, 2008 - Rosetta's next stop is asteroid 2867 Steins
http://www.planetary.org/news/2007/1122_New_Image_Rosetta_Sees_Earth_In_Color.html
updated on September 2, 2008:
This asteroid 2867 Steins flyby is at Phipoint between the next Rosetta flyby of asteroid 21 Lutetia on July 10, 2010 and July 16, 2007, the eventsday of the expected direct Nagasaki echo. On that day a powerful Typhon coincided with a strong earthquake in Japan, causing the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak

I decided to cross-post this finding on several forums instantly, because I think this is very significant. July 10, 2010 will be on the timeline of Q3 2010 with an expected expression of the underlying nuclear theme.

After I had cross-posted this finding, I decided to check the news at BBC and the synchronicity immediately happened:

First article I saw was an instant-confirmation of the identified hidden underlying Design, Pelosi in Hirhoshima! I wrote:

!!!!!!
This puts 'Hirhoshima' 3 days earlier on September 2, 2008:
Tuesday, 2 September 2008
Pelosi visits Hiroshima memorial
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7593298.stm
The speaker of the US House of Representatives has laid flowers at a Japanese memorial to atom bomb victims.
Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, is the highest ranking US figure to visit the site in Hiroshima, the first city in the world to suffer a nuclear attack.

everytime that I identify a future key date with a specific underlying theme, I post it in a specific thread for future use on the timelines.

I reposted the 2 quotes above and noticed that I had forgotten to repost another one for future us, so I reposted it aswell:

note that on March 23, 2009, its 8 years on Earth and 13Venus years in Eartdays since March 23, 2001:
March 23, 2001 - The Russian Mir space station is disposed of, breaking up in the atmosphere before falling into the southern Pacific Ocean near Fiji.

Thats the same timframe as in between the 2 Venus Transits of our times
MIR means PEACE
the end of peace
March 23, 2009 is keydate on the Golden mean Phi-spiral that Starts at Nagasaki and ends on the end of the Mayan Calender, just like the Venus transit on June 6, 2012

These posts together unveiled the synchronicity, I wrote:

synchronicity between the 2 posts above
July 16, 2007 nagasaki echo
March 23, 2009 expected key date
July 16, 2007 - March 23, 2009 = 616 days
or 7 Mercury Years in Earth days
Mercury at same relative geometrical position on its orbit!

Today its 'Rosetta fly-by' and decided to give it a look again

Rosetta was launched on March 2, 2004 and I expected a confirmation with this July 16, 2007 direct Nagasaki echo. I checked the position of Mercury and the confirmation was there, instantly:

March 2, 2004 Rosetta Launch - July 16, 2007 Nagasaki echo = 1.231 days

or 14 Mecury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days,

14 times 87.9691 = 1.231 days

March 23, 2009 and July 10, 2010 are 2 keydates in relation to the 'end of
peace' with an expected expression of the nuclear underlying theme.

Paulhoff
5th September 2008, 07:32 AM
March 23, 2009 and July 10, 2010 are 2 keydates in relation to the 'end of
peace' with an expected expression of the nuclear underlying theme.
If it wasn't for doom and gloom, you would have nothing to talk about.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
5th September 2008, 01:42 PM
If it wasn't for doom and gloom, you would have nothing to talk about.

Paul

:) :) :)

You should have said that when I posted the expected Nagasaki echo for July 15 +/- 1 day, 2007, several years in advance.

In that case you would have understood by now that you are completely missing the issue here

Paulhoff
5th September 2008, 06:10 PM
In that case you would have understood by now that you are completely missing the issue here
Sorry Dutch, but in truth, you have no issue.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
10th September 2008, 01:01 AM
Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron at macrolevel orientation: September 11 +/- 1 day

Wednesday September 10, 2008: Showtime for the Big Bang Machine

But Ellis has faith that even then, there'd be something to discover — maybe something even weirder and more wonderful than the Higgs boson.
"Probably the most likely option then might be extra dimensions," Ellis said. "And there are some ideas where if you have some additional dimensions of space, you could somehow do the job that the Higgs does in the Standard Model."
For years, string theorists have noted that their equations come out better if they assume that the universe has nine or 10 spatial dimensions instead of the three we can perceive. The LHC could provide the first evidence of those extra dimensions: Some theorists say the collisions could produce anomalously heavy particles, suggesting that part of their momentum was going into the extradimensional realm. Harvard physicist Lisa Randall estimates that the LHC could nail down the evidence for extra dimensions in five years.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24525554/page/2/

from the timeline:

September 11, 2008 - Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron at macrolevel orientation

CERN announces start-up date for LHC: HD Tetrahedron at macvrolevel orientation:September 10
http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2008/PR06.08E.html

Why the fascination with the end of the world?
A huge particle accelerator experiment is about to start and a tiny group of people believe it could spell the end of the world. But why are we so obsessed with the possibility of apocalypse?
The world will end. That much is a certainty. But it may not be soon. And in all probability it will not come to a shuddering, fiery, boiling, cataclysmic end on Wednesday this week.
read on:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7600966.stm

Super-smasher targets massive mystery
Chapter 1: Particle collider comes close to the big bang on a small scale
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24525554/

Discovery or doom? Collider stirs debate
Chapter 2: Cutting through the hype over black holes and future benefits
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24556999/
==

Next keydate on the Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron at macrolevel orientation: October 21, 2008

first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008 at 7:00 UTC.[4][5] This event will be webcast.[5][4] The first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.

Large Hadron Collider
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

2 dots of the Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron at macrolevel orientation!

This timing is 'in the face'.

Dutch
10th September 2008, 03:40 AM
Another innerplanet at the same relative geometrical position today as during the Srebrenica massacre:
July 11, 1995 - September 10, 2008 = 4.810 days
or +/- 1 day of 7 Mars years in Earthday":
686.971 times 7 = 4.809
according to the court in The Hague, The Netherlands not responsible for the Srebrenica massacre, the UN is.
Staat niet verantwoordelijk voor gedrag Dutchbat
Uitgegeven: 10 september 2008 11:05
Laatst gewijzigd: 10 september 2008 11:39
DEN HAAG - De Nederlandse Staat is niet verantwoordelijk voor het handelen van de Nederlandse blauwhelmen in juli 1995 in Srebrenica.
De acties van Dutchbat moeten uitsluitend worden toegerekend aan de Verenigde Naties, waarvoor Nederland de missie in Bosnië uitvoerde.
Dat heeft de rechtbank in Den Haag woensdag bepaald in twee zaken die de nabestaanden van vermoorde Bosnische moslims hadden aangespannen.
De rechtbank wees daarmee de vorderingen tot schadevergoeding van Hasan Nuhanovic en de familie van Rizo Mustafic af.
Ze gaan in hoger beroep, zo kondigden zij direct na de uitspraak aan.
Wanprestatie
De eisers beschuldigen Nederland van een grove wanprestatie en een onrechtmatige daad Rizo Mustafic en het broertje en ouders van Hasan Nuhanovic van de omsingelde VN-basis weg te sturen.
Rizo was een elektriciën op de compound en zou op de lijst staan van personeel dat later met Dutchbat mocht vertrekken. Hij werd toch weggestuurd.
Hasan had als tolk wel deze speciale status en probeerde vergeefs zijn familieleden ook hieronder te laten vallen.
Mensenrechten
Zij meenden dat Nederland hierdoor internationale mensenrechtenverdragen heeft geschonden. Ook was het volgens hun advocate Liesbeth Zegveld in strijd met VN-instructies om mensen te beschermen.
De vijandelijke Bosnisch-Servische troepen voerden de vluchtelingen na enkele dagen weg en vermoordden zeven- tot achtduizend mensen, zo bleek later.
Verweer
De rechtbank schaart zich achter het verweer van de landsadvocaten dat mogelijke schendingen van de normen niet aan de Nederlandse Staat kunnen worden toegerekend.
Alleen als de Nederlandse krijgsmacht of de regering de bevelsstructuur van de VN hadden doorbroken, ontstaat er volgens de rechtbank ruimte voor toerekening aan de Nederlandse Staat. De rechtbank heeft dat na onderzoek niet geconcludeerd.
De VN zijn vanwege hun immuniteit niet te vervolgen. Een andere rechtszaak van de 'moeders van Srebrenica' om dit te veranderen, eindigde bij dezelfde rechtbank tot deze conclusie.
http://www.nu.nl/news/1737822/15/Staat_niet_verantwoordelijk_voor_gedrag_Dutchbat.h tml

Dutch
10th September 2008, 04:37 AM
Another innerplanet at the same relative geometrical position today as during the Srebrenica massacre:
July 11, 1995 - September 10, 2008 = 4.810 days
or +/- 1 day of 7 Mars years in Earthdays :
686.971 times 7 = 4.809
according to the court in The Hague, The Netherlands not responsible for the Srebrenica massacre, the UN is.
Staat niet verantwoordelijk voor gedrag Dutchbat
Uitgegeven: 10 september 2008 11:05
Laatst gewijzigd: 10 september 2008 11:39
DEN HAAG - De Nederlandse Staat is niet verantwoordelijk voor het handelen van de Nederlandse blauwhelmen in juli 1995 in Srebrenica.
http://www.nu.nl/news/1737822/15/Staat_niet_verantwoordelijk_voor_gedrag_Dutchbat.h tml
Checking the news after the above post and............ synchronicity:
ICTY to assess Serbia assistance
The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, Serge Brammertz, is due to visit Serbia later on Wednesday.
Mr Brammertz will spend two days assessing Belgrade's efforts to find remaining suspects wanted by the court.
His priority is the arrests of former Bosnian Serb army chief Ratko Mladic and Croatian Serb leader Goran Hadzic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7607551.stm

The 911 based Phi timecoded spiral related to this Srebrenica karma:
September 25, 2008
October 15, 2008
October 27, 2008
expiring during the period from aprox November 2, 2008 ( Van Gogh trigger event) until around Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level:
November 15, 2008
The first innerplanet to be at same relative geometrical position as during the Srebrenica Massacre: Mercury 'The Messenger' on October 8, 2008 +/- 1 day.

Paulhoff
10th September 2008, 05:09 AM
You do understand that we have the internet to Dutch, there is no need to post the news here.

Paul

:) :) :)

Blue Mountain
10th September 2008, 05:46 AM
Come on, Dutch, do something useful in this thread and predict something. Such as:

An earthquake greater than magnitude 7. In order to be considered accurate you must predict the epicentre within 1,000 miles and the date within 1 day. Oh, and you have to make your post before the earthquake is reported in the news.
The next armed conflict between two nations (that is, armed forces from one country actually cross an international boundary into another country.). You have to get the names of the countries correct and the date of the first incursion correct within 3 days. Oh, and you have to make your post before the war is reported in the news.
The name of the next head of state to die in office, either due to natural causes or an assassin's actions. To make it easier on your HDD, I'll consider the prediction to be accurate if you put a dot on a map and a date, and a head of state of any country bordering the country where the dot is located dies while in office within a month of the date you predict. Oh, and you have to make your post before the person's death is reported in the news.
What say you, Dutch--are you willing to actually predict something concrete? Or are you going to continue spamming the forum?

Dutch
11th September 2008, 11:44 PM
Remember Hyper Dimensional Cube date August 17, 2005!


Gustav is going to make landfall on September 1, 2008
August 17, 2005 - September 1, 2008
1111 days or the basic Awakenings timeframe!!!!
Also Phi point between September 11, 2001 and December 23 , 2012
September 11, 2001 - December 23, 2012 = 4.121
4.121 / 1.61803399 (Phi) = 2.547 days
2.547 days from 9/11 gives September 1, 2008
As you can see in the material, I use both 21 and 23 December as the end of the Mayan calender:
December 23, 2012 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012
The latter is exactly 6 Mars years in Earthdays from 9/11:
4.121 is 6 times 686.97 ( Mars year in Earthdays)

Ike right on schedule: 1111 days after Katrina landfall: September 13, 2008
Ike is going to make landfall, with the same timing as Katrina did after the Hyper Dimensional 'radar imprint'above New Orleans 12 days befor the landfall.
from the timeline:
September 13 - 14, 2008 - 1111 days after Katrina landfall
Ike's wrath 'like the end of the world'
The latest hurricane center track map indicated the greatest chances for a U.S. landfall for Ike would be as a Category 3 storm near the Texas-Louisiana border on Saturday.( September 13, 2008 )
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/08/hurricane.ike/index.html
NOLA mayor: If Ike comes, weary residents unlikely to flee
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/08/hurricane.ike/index.html
Ike bears down on Cuba again, Texas could be next
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/09/hurricane.ike/index.html
"In all of Cuba's history, we have never had two hurricanes this close together"
Deadly hurricane heads for Havana
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7603319.stm
Officials: Ike may hit Texas as a Category 4 on Saturday ( September 13)
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/10/hurricane.ike/index.html
Weather service warns of 'certain death' in face of Ike
The advisory summoned memories of the language used to describe 2005's Hurricane Katrina, which devastated parts of the U.S. Gulf Coast.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/11/hurricane.ike.texas/index.html

Dutch
12th September 2008, 01:28 AM
I consider this fire in the tunnel to be a synchronicity.
Channel Tunnel disruption goes on
Thousands of passengers hoping to travel through the Channel Tunnel face further disruption after a fire on a freight train.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7611622.stm

Although I'm very curious about LHC possibly proving other dimensions, I unfortunately do think we are possibly crossing a red line here with these LHC experiments.
Just like the 2 major underlying themes of our times, "don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space" , I think its not a good idea to mess with other dimensional realms.
The HDDesign unveiled, at least to me, the hidden underlying themes instantly. I wrote on the timeline:
9/11 was the event that marked the Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron at macrolevel orientation. The LHC was started on this same HD Tetrahedron timeframe at macrolevel orientation.
LHC and 9/11
911 based control starttriggerdate of September 11, 2001 = February 18, 1997
February 18, 1997 - September 10, 2008 (start LHC) = 4.222 days
or exactly 48 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same position on the orbit
48 times 87.9691 = 4.222
I expected that this LHC event would unveil hidden underlying meaning in relation to the end of the Mayan Calender, so I decided to consider the start of the LHC to be a Phi-point in relation to the end of the Mayan Calendar. A Phi-point can be inwards or outwards, only 2 possibilities.
In this case the outwards Phi point is giving 'meaning':
With the start of the LHC in Cern we will bring something to Earth that does not belong here
September 10, 2008, the start of the LHC is Phi point between the end of the Mayan Calender ( December 23, 2012 ) and around January 15, 2006.
Stardust (spacecraft)
Stardust is an American interplanetary mission of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, whose primary purpose was to investigate the makeup of the comet Wild 2 and its coma. It was launched on February 7, 1999 by NASA, travelled nearly 3 billion miles (5·109 km), and returned to Earth on January 15, 2006 to release a sample material capsule.[1] It is the first sample return mission to collect cosmic dust and return the sample to Earth. On July 3, 2007 a second mission was approved to revisit the comet Tempel 1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_
Comet 'Deep Impact' Temple I is to be visited again on February 14, 2011 by the Stardust spacecraft.
That's 1 of the 4 Hyper Dimensional Cube dates at macrolevel orientation
and 'Deep Impact' it is....
awakenings startriggerdate of 'Deep Impact' on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005: December 28, 2003
December 28, 2003 - October 21, 2008 ( start experiments at LHC) = 1.759
or 20 Mercury years in Earthdays, Mercury 'The Messenger' at same position on its orbit:
20 times 87.9691 = 1.759 days

Dutch
12th September 2008, 03:13 AM
in addition to the LHC - 9/11 correlation....
I just said that in this case the outwards Phi point is giving 'meaning', but the inwards Phi point is confirmative and giving meaning too:
The War in Afghanistan, which began on October 7, 2001, was launched by the United States and the United Kingdom in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks. It was the beginning of the War on Terror.
War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan

Paulhoff
12th September 2008, 05:29 AM
It is such a shame Dutch, you just don’t get it, you see patterns that are not there and you see them because you what to, and that is the only reason you see them. You are not and I repeat, you are not showing cause and effect.

Paul

:) :) :)

Blue Mountain
12th September 2008, 10:24 AM
Hi Dutch,

Come on, Dutch, do something useful in this thread and predict something.
(middle part snipped)
What say you, Dutch--are you willing to actually predict something concrete? Or are you going to continue spamming the forum?
I see you've made three posts since I made this one and have failed to address my question. You may be breaking Rule 6 of the membership agreement. (http://www.randi.org/joom/forum-rules.html)

Dutch
12th September 2008, 01:26 PM
Hi Dutch,


I see you've made three posts since I made this one and have failed to address my question. You may be breaking Rule 6 of the membership agreement. (http://www.randi.org/joom/forum-rules.html)

first of all, I have never said I an predict something concrete, in a sense it would be exact. The future isn't fixed yet, but I think we do have to deal with specifi themes at specific moments of our perception of time.

Secondly, I have a focus on the macrolevel and my 'findings' aren 't coming through 'at will' . i take synchronicities serious and apply the described elements of HDDesign on initial intuitive thoughts. That's how this emerges. I can't predict at will on request, you should know that.

This is not a game my friend

Paulhoff
12th September 2008, 01:31 PM
first of all, I have never said I an predict something concrete, in a sense it would be exact. The future isn't fixed yet, but I think we do have to deal with specifi themes at specific moments of our perception of time.

Secondly, I have a focus on the macrolevel and my 'findings' aren 't coming through 'at will' . i take synchronicities serious and apply the described elements of HDDesign on initial intuitive thoughts. That's how this emerges. I can't predict at will on request, you should know that.

This is not a game my friend
So what is your point, you haven't made one, and to us it is a game.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
12th September 2008, 01:32 PM
It is such a shame Dutch, you just don’t get it, you see patterns that are not there and you see them because you what to, and that is the only reason you see them. You are not and I repeat, you are not showing cause and effect.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paulhoff.........this IS about non-linear causality.

Paulhoff
12th September 2008, 01:43 PM
Paulhoff.........this IS about non-linear causality.
No, it is only about you posting bad stuff, why isn't good stuff posted too if you are on to something.

Paul

:) :) :)

The Man
13th September 2008, 04:59 PM
Paulhoff.........this IS about non-linear causality.


You just add up orbital cycles to get some date after the fact. What about that is "non-linear" or "causality"?

Dutch
14th September 2008, 12:42 PM
no, I put these dates on the timelines prior to the fact. I only post updates here

Paulhoff
14th September 2008, 12:47 PM
no, I put these dates on the timelines prior to the fact. I only post updates here
NO, you put anything you what to, to those days, after the fact.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
14th September 2008, 06:27 PM
no, I put these dates on the timelines prior to the fact. I only post updates hereDo you know what nonlinear and causality mean?

Separately and together?

Dutch
17th September 2008, 04:50 AM
Deep Impact Comet Temple I on July 4, 2005

( all dates +/- 1 day )

triggerdates:

1111 awakenings timeframe:
555 awakenings starttriggerdate: December 26, 2003
555 awakenings endtriggerdate: January 10, 2007

control timeframe, HD Tetrahedron
911 control starttriggerdate: January 5, 2003
911 control endtriggerdate: January 1, 2008

3333 ascension timeframe
1666 ascension starttriggerdate: December 11, 2000
1666 ascension endtriggerdate: January 25, 2010

Key events on the determined Deep Impact triggerdates ( +/- 1 day)

Awakening start December 26, 2003: unsuccessful landing British Beagle 2 spacecraft that formed part of the European Space Agency's 2003 Mars Express mission.

Awakening end January 10, 2007: China confirms satellite downed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6289519.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6289519.stm)

Control end: January 1, 2008 actual Earth fly-by of spacecraft Deep Impact

Ascension: expected at endtriggerdate around January 25, 2010


Innerplanets at same relative position during 2008 as during the determined triggerdates, based on the following orbits in Earth days:
A Mars year in Earth days takes 686.971 days on Earth
A Venus Year in Earth days takes 224.70069 days on Earth
A Mercury Year in Earth days takes 87.9691 days on Earth

Mercury and awakenings starttriggerdate: January 30, 2008
Near-Earth Asteroid 2007 TU24 To Pass Close To Past Earth On Jan 29
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Near_Earth_Asteroid_2007_TU24_To_Pass_Close_To_Pas t_Earth_On_Jan_29_999.html (http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Near_Earth_Asteroid_2007_TU24_To_Pass_Close_To_Pas t_Earth_On_Jan_29_999.html)
Space Rock Misses Mars, Barely
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080130-mars-miss.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080130-mars-miss.html)

Mercury and Ascension endtriggerdate: February 21, 2008
Navy to shoot down failed satellite Thursday February 21
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/18/satellite.intercept/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/18/satellite.intercept/index.html)

Mars and Ascension endtriggerdate
Peru meteorite may rewrite rules
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7292863.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7292863.stm)
Antarctica's unique space rocks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7294181.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7294181.stm)
The spacecraft Jules Verne ATV, or Automated Transfer Vehicle, an unmanned European cargo resupply spacecraft was launched on 9 March 2008 on a mission to supply the International Space Station

Venus and Ascension end ( coinciding with the end of the 911 based 9/11-Madrid Phi timecoded spiral)
US 'reassures Russia on shield'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7306133.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7306133.stm)
Star explodes halfway across universehttp://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/03/21/exploding.star.ap/index.html

Mercury and Control end
North Korea fired a volley of missiles into the sea warning that it might stop disabling its nuclear facilities unless the United States dropped its demands for more details about North Korea's nuclear arsenal.

Venus and awakenings endtriggerdate
Jules Verne docked to the ISS

Mercury and control start
White House: Syria reactor not for 'peaceful' purposes
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/24/syria.nuclear/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/24/syria.nuclear/index.html)
Intel shows N. Korea-Syria nuclear link
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/23/syria.nuclear/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/23/syria.nuclear/index.html)

Mars and Ascension start & Mercury and awakenings end
Meteorite could hold solar clues
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7464583.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7464583.stm)
Mars lander finds bits of ice, scientists say
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/20/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/20/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html)
Proof! Water Ice Found on Mars
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080620-phoenix-ice-update.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080620-phoenix-ice-update.html)
Pentagon says its on trail of missing nuclear components
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080620/twl-us-security-nuclear-7e07afd.html (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080620/twl-us-security-nuclear-7e07afd.html)
US taps Lithuania as alternative to Poland for missile shield plan
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080619/twl-us-poland-lithuania-missile-military-7e07afd.html (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080619/twl-us-poland-lithuania-missile-military-7e07afd.html)
Life in Earth's toughest places; how about Mars?
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/22/mars.extreme.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/22/mars.extreme.ap/index.html)
Ice on Mars an important breakthrough
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/06/22/scinasa222.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/06/22/scinasa222.xml)
since we are talking about Mars here apparently: Nagasaki & Deep Impact, its all here:
Mars' two-faced riddle 'solved'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7473128.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7473128.stm)
Mars lander finds soil 'friendly' to life
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/26/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/06/26/phoenix.mars.ap/index.html)
Martian soil appears able to support life
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2634952620080626 (http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2634952620080626)
Will religion end on Mars?
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorials/Will_religion_end_on_Mars/articleshow/3169948.cms (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorials/Will_religion_end_on_Mars/articleshow/3169948.cms)
Will NASA Ever Find Life on Mars?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080627-mars-life-question.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080627-mars-life-question.html)

Venus and control end
US and Poland sign defence deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561926.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561926.stm)
U.S. Satellite Shootdown: The Inside Story
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6533 (http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6533)
Back-door US-Russian contacts to de-escalate war of words - after Moscow threatens to nuke Poland
Secret US-Russian contacts to cool near-nuclear crisis
http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5511 (http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5511)

Mercury and ascension end
Russia considers nuclear missiles for Syria, Mediterranean, Baltic
http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5513 (http://www2.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=5513)
Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War
http://www.infowars.com/?p=4015 (http://www.infowars.com/?p=4015)

Mercury and Awakening end
Deep Impact on financial markets

next innerplanet to take position with 'Deep Impact' as possible underlying theme:

September 20, Mercury on control end

followed by:

October 16
October 20
November 1
November 11
November 14
November 26/27
December 10
December 13
December 17

Paulhoff
17th September 2008, 06:15 AM
No Dutch, it doesn't work like that in the real world.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
18th September 2008, 03:02 AM
On September 10 ( HD Tetrahedron macrolevel) I placed this on the timeline:

updated september 15

'MIR'on fire, keep an eye on the ISS

This was based on a synchronicity, when I saw this fire on spacestation MIR was a triggerevent. I interpreted it as possibly related to the ISS and placed it on the timeline instantly.

I saw this triggerevent when I was looking at the 9/11 - LHC correlations,
I posted earlier above in this thread:

LHC and 9/11
911 based control starttriggerdate of September 11, 2001 = February 18, 1997

February 18, 1997 - September 10, 2008 (start LHC) = 4.222 days

or exactly 48 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days

Mercury 'The Messenger' at same position on the orbit

48 times 87.9691 = 4.222

The fire on Spacestation MIR happened on February 23, 1997. This same 4.222 days timeframe made me put it on the timeline for around September 15. I expected an event in space with a manmade object so I thought to mention the ISS

from the timeline:

September 15, 2008 - 'Deep Impact - Anna Nicole pentagram

'MIR'on fire, keep an eye on the ISS
September 16: Hubble NICMOS Instrument Experiences Anomaly
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/09/16/hubble-nicmos-instrument-experiences-anomaly/#more-18253
The Essentials Of Hubble Servicing Mission Four
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Essentials_Of_Hubble_Servicing_Mission_Four_99 9.html

The fire on the MIR was only a small fire and this Hubble anomaly doesn't seem significant at the moment either, but there's more.

Today I gave it another look. The Mir desintegrated in Earth's atmosphere on reentry on March 23, 2001.

Again with the end of MIR we see a 911 based correlation with September 15, 2008

March 23, 2001 - September 15, 2008 = 2.733 days
or 3 times 911 = 2.733

ongoing 911 based pattern, connected by Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedrons.

I think that the underlying themes on this emerging underlying timecoded pattern are in fact about an expected event in space with a manmade object, in a sense that it would express the 'stay out of space' theme.

As it seems related to 'Deep impact' aswell ( coinciding on the patterns ), I wil keep a look on these patterns very closely.I will put the future keydates on the timelines.

First 'Deep Impact' date coming up is September 20, 2008

Another date to keep in mind is September 30, 2008

Mars is closely related to 9/11 and the HDTetrahedron in the HDDesign concept.

On September 30, 2008 Mars will be on te same relative position on its orbit as during the desintegration of MIR.

Also keep in mind that 'MIR' means 'PEACE'

as above, so below

Paulhoff
18th September 2008, 05:46 AM
First 'Deep Impact' date coming up is September 20, 2008

Another date to keep in mind is September 30, 2008
We'll see what you use to make those dates work for you.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
19th September 2008, 02:00 PM
LHC shut down after magnets fail
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626256.stm

'MIR on fire' , LHC IS 'Deep Impact'

The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel at Cern, near Geneva.

Plans to begin smashing particles at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) may be delayed after a magnet failure forced engineers to halt work.
The failure, known as a quench, caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100C.
The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel at Cern, near Geneva.
The LHC beam will remain turned off over the weekend while engineers investigate the severity of the fault.
A spokesman for Cern told the BBC it was not yet clear how soon progress could resume at the Ł3.6bn ($6.6bn) particle accelerator.
While the failure was "not good news", he said glitches of this kind were not unexpected during testing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626256.stm

from the timeline:

September 20, 2008 - 'Deep Impact'

Deep Impact July 4, 2005 creates HD Tetrahedron witn January 1, 2008, the actual Earth flyby of the 'Deep Impact' space craft, or 911 based control endtrigger date. Around September 20, 2008 Mercury the Messenger will be at the same relative p[osition again as during the fly-by of January 1, 2008

keep an eye on Hubble - ISS, or other manmade objects in space - MIR 'Peace' deintegrated, as above so below

'Deep Impact':
Russia test fires new-generation strategic missile
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080918/twl-russia-military-defence-missile-us-7e07afd.html

Oh yes, as we have seen earlier, the LHC is related to 'Deep Impact' too
Collider's transformer breaks, halts experiment. This event happened on HD Tetrahedron at macrolevel September 11
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/18/hadron.collider.transformer.breaks.ap/index.html

Deep Impact: Europe plans asteroid sample grab
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7623411.stm
nuclear:
Report: N. Korea preparing to restart reactor
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/nkorea.reactor/index.html

today:

LHC shut down after magnets fail
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626256.stm
'MIR on fire'
The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel at Cern, near Geneva.

Do not post copyrighted material in its entirety.

Paulhoff
19th September 2008, 05:41 PM
So.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
20th September 2008, 01:27 PM
Sorry that I posted copyrighted material, I will post links with comments only

from the timeline:

September 20, 2008 - 'Deep Impact'

Deep Impact July 4, 2005 creates HD Tetrahedron witn January 1, 2008, the actual Earth flyby of the 'Deep Impact' space craft, or 911 based control endtrigger date. Around September 20, 2008 Mercury the Messenger will be at the same relative p[osition again as during the fly-by of January 1, 2008

keep an eye on Hubble - ISS, or other manmade objects in space - MIR 'Peace' deintegrated, as above so below

'Deep Impact':
Russia test fires new-generation strategic missile
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080918/twl-russia-military-defence-missile-us-7e07afd.html (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080918/twl-russia-military-defence-missile-us-7e07afd.html)

Oh yes, as we have seen earlier, the LHC is related to 'Deep Impact' too
Collider's transformer breaks, halts experiment
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/18/hadron.collider.transformer.breaks.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/18/hadron.collider.transformer.breaks.ap/index.html)

Deep Impact: Europe plans asteroid sample grab
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7623411.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7623411.stm)

nuclear:

Report: N. Korea preparing to restart reactor
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/nkorea.reactor/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/nkorea.reactor/index.html)

LHC shut down after magnets fail
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626256.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626256.stm)

'MIR on fire'

The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel at Cern, near Geneva.

Hadron Collider halted for months
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626944.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626944.stm)

coming up, 'Srebrenia Karma':

September 25, 2008 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary.
AND next Venus years on the pattern as monitored: Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica sueing Dutch government. Karadzic is already captured, keep your eues on Mladic too.

and also coming up, 'Deep Impact' again

September 30, 2008 - keep an eye on Hubble - ISS, or other manmade objects in space - MIR 'Peace' deintegrated, as above so below
Mars at same relative position as during desintegretion of MIR

related threads:
Timeline Q3:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html)
911 based Golden Mean Phi spiral, Srebrenica karma
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-hddesign.html (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-hddesign.html)

Broes
22nd September 2008, 12:05 AM
Breaking news, I found a pattern!!!!!!

Today, something IN SPACE correlates to something that also happened IN SPACE a while ago.

Today, something NUCLEAR correlates to something that also happened with something NUCLEAR a while ago.

Today, something WITH WAR correlates to something that also happened with something WITH WAR a while ago.

Can you see the pattern?

Dutch
22nd September 2008, 12:40 PM
edit September 22: just heard it on the radio news: Hirshi Ali is going to Sue the government of The Netherlands for lack of protection given to here, despite the promisses that were made. First legal interviews with withnesses will start on the expected timeframe: on September 24!!

Paulhoff
22nd September 2008, 02:46 PM
edit September 22: just heard it on the radio news: Hirshi Ali is going to Sue the government of The Netherlands for lack of protection given to here, despite the promisses that were made. First legal interviews with withnesses will start on the expected timeframe: on September 24!!
Dutch, what the hell is wrong with you that you don't understand that you are running around driving youself nuts. We don't buy into your Hyper stuff. You don't tell us anything.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
22nd September 2008, 10:58 PM
You know what? its amazing that you fail to understand that this Hirshi-ali expression around September 25 has been determined 4 years ago in 2004 after the killing of Theo van Gogh. Do your research and monitor the timeframe around September 25. The themes are mentioned above. The related events are following this 911 based Phi golden mean timecoded spiral ever since the killing of Pim Fortuyn on May 6, 2002

Dutch
23rd September 2008, 02:46 AM
correction, I wrote:

September 25, 2008 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary.
AND next Venus years on the pattern as monitored: Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica sueing Dutch government. Karadzic is already captured, keep your eues on Mladic too.

Although these themes are valid as possible expressions on this monitored 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral, with expected expression around September 25, 2008 , it is NOT the next Venus year.

That was on August 25, I didn't noticed that I copied the themes with this Venus reference still mentioned. So the themes are valid, the Venus reference should be deleted. In an earlier post on this forum the future keydates were mentioned correctly:

I wrote:

The 2 patterns will continue and will give related expressions around the determined key dates

Next on the Venus based Balkan karma timecoded pattern:

April 7, 2009

The 911 based Phi timecoded spiral:

September 25, 2008

October 15, 2008

October 27, 2008

expiring during the period from aprox November 2, 2008 ( Van Gogh trigger event) until around Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level:
November 15, 2008

With expected expressions of the same underlying themes

Blue Mountain
23rd September 2008, 05:28 AM
Dutch, why does HDD only affect events in primarily Eurasia, the Middle East, and Africa? For all the intense verbiage you post here, there's very little about the United States and Canada, Central and South America, India, Southeast Asia, and Australia.

Blue Mountain
23rd September 2008, 05:38 AM
first of all, I have never said I an predict something concrete, in a sense it would be exact. The future isn't fixed yet, but I think we do have to deal with specifi themes at specific moments of our perception of time.

Secondly, I have a focus on the macrolevel and my 'findings' aren 't coming through 'at will' . i take synchronicities serious and apply the described elements of HDDesign on initial intuitive thoughts. That's how this emerges. I can't predict at will on request, you should know that.

This is not a game my friend
A system such as this is of use only if it has some sort of predictive power. People study economics in an attempt to predict how the interactions of people, goods, and currency will affect said people, goods, and currency. Political science is partly an attempt to predict how government policy will change the behaviour of people or the economy. Hard sciences such as physics and chemistry makes numerous predictions about what will happen if certain elements are put into an electrical circuit or certain chemicals are combined.

True, there are elements of uncertainty there, otherwise there'd be no need for research. But HDD seems to lack both predictability and repeatability, and hence is a big a failure as the astrology and numerology upon which it is based.

Paulhoff
23rd September 2008, 06:39 AM
You know what? its amazing that you fail to understand that this Hirshi-ali expression around September 25 has been determined 4 years ago in 2004 after the killing of Theo van Gogh. Do your research and monitor the timeframe around September 25. The themes are mentioned above. The related events are following this 911 based Phi golden mean timecoded spiral ever since the killing of Pim Fortuyn on May 6, 2002
Amazing that I can think, no, amazing that you keep posting news as if you where on to something, yes.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
23rd September 2008, 01:29 PM
Dutch, why does HDD only affect events in primarily Eurasia, the Middle East, and Africa? For all the intense verbiage you post here, there's very little about the United States and Canada, Central and South America, India, Southeast Asia, and Australia.

very little about the US? read the material I would say

Dutch
23rd September 2008, 01:32 PM
But HDD seems to lack both predictability and repeatability


the expectations posted on the timeline for around September 25 are a perfect example of predictability and repeatability

Dutch
23rd September 2008, 01:35 PM
Amazing that I can think, no, amazing that you keep posting news as if you where on to something, yes.


the news has yet to come....if I were you I would read the thread at HDDesign forum about the 911 based Phi spiral that will find expression again around September 25.

maybe it will help you to understand

neltana
23rd September 2008, 01:36 PM
And what exactly will happen on September 25th?

I don't want to know how you arrived at the conclusion, you already stated that. I just want to know, to any degree of precision you can muster, what we can expect the day after tomorrow.

Polgara
23rd September 2008, 02:03 PM
Two thoughts:

a) Read Pixie thread.

b) Back away from the patterns.

Blue Mountain
23rd September 2008, 04:50 PM
very little about the US? read the material I would say
I spent the better part of the last 45 minutes wading through the morass that is page 23 of this thread. Results that you posted:

Post #881, reference location is Japan
#883, Japan
#889, Europe (CERN)
#890, Europe (Srebrenica)
#891, Europe (Srebrenica)
#894, United States
#895, Europe (Great Britain)
#896, Asia (Afghanistan)
#913: Europe (CERN), Russia, North Korea (3 locations total)
#915: Europe (Srebrenica)

Totals: Japan 2 of 12, Europe 6 of 12 (50%), Asia 3 of 12, United States 1 of 12.

Funny that you're in Europe and over half the events your HDD talks about are European. Kinda like all the aliens in the Doctor Who series landing in England, because that's where the show is produced.

Blue Mountain
23rd September 2008, 05:02 PM
the news has yet to come....if I were you I would read the thread at HDDesign forum about the 911 based Phi spiral that will find expression again around September 25.

maybe it will help you to understand


The 911 based Phi timecoded spiral related to this Srebrenica karma:
September 25, 2008
October 15, 2008
October 27, 2008
expiring during the period from aprox November 2, 2008 ( Van Gogh trigger event) until around Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level:
November 15, 2008


coming up, 'Srebrenia Karma':

September 25, 2008 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary. (bolding mine)
AND next Venus years on the pattern as monitored: Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica sueing Dutch government. Karadzic is already captured, keep your eues on Mladic too.


Dutch, the part that I bolded, is that part of the events that are supposed to happen on September 25?

If not, would any mention in any press on September 25 of Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica suing Dutch government, or Mladic count as a "hit"?

Dutch
24th September 2008, 01:57 AM
And what exactly will happen on September 25th?

I don't want to know how you arrived at the conclusion, you already stated that. I just want to know, to any degree of precision you can muster, what we can expect the day after tomorrow.

This really is an undeniable confirmation of the hidden underlying HDDesign:

out of nowhere, this news is hittings the mainstream headlines in the Netherlands:

On the determened timeframe based on the 911 Phi Golden Mean timecoded spiral,
that was first identified with the killing of Pim Fortuyn on May 6, 2002, this killing of Pim Fortuyn is getting momentum again as expected and mentioned here in this thread and ofcourse on the timeline:

according a history book used at schools, Pim Fortuyn was assassinated by an unknown man.

in Dutch:
Dit is echt een onmiskenbare bevestiging van het HDDesign:
wo 24 sep 2008
'Onbekende schoot Fortuyn dood'
GRONINGEN - Tot verbazing van de VVD in de Tweede Kamer en ouders blijken vmbo-scholieren in het geschiedenisboek 'Indigo' van uitgeverij Noordhoff te leren dat Pim Fortuyn op 6 mei 2002 is vermoord door een onbekende man.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2001725/___Onbekende_schoot_Fortuyn_dood___.html?p=8,1

Everybody in The Netherlands knows that Pim was killed by Volkert van der Graaf, why was arrested at the scene and is now facing years of imprisonment.

The fact that this issue emerges on this specific predetermined timeframe related to the assassination of Pim Fortuyn is an undeniable confirmation of the identified underlying themes for this predetermined timeframe.

First we have seen that Hirshi Ali is going to Sue the government of The Netherlands for lack of protection given to here, despite the promisses that were made. First legal interviews with withnesses will start on the expected timeframe: on September 24!!

Both Fortuyn and Hirshi Ali are giving expression on this Golden Mean timecoded spiral of which the dates were predetermined back in 2004 already, just after the assassination of Theo van Gogh.

The timeframe is still open, but the next keydates are already given in this thread.

Get ready for a Grand Final of this 'Srebrenica karma' 911 (HD Tetrahedron) based Phi Golden Mean timecoded spiral.

Dutch
24th September 2008, 03:54 AM
and here is the expected Security Issue for Obama as mentioned on the timeline :
Man charged after gun found in car near Obama home
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jU-1-ZxXVvlRUAGnSJkSlXlAZffQD93CPGP00

Polgara
24th September 2008, 04:31 AM
and here is the expected Security Issue for Obama as mentioned on the timeline :
Man charged after gun found in car near Obama home
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jU-1-ZxXVvlRUAGnSJkSlXlAZffQD93CPGP00

[/quote]September 25, 2008 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary. (bolding mine)[/quote]

Definition of security issue constitutes, to me, that one of these parties was in some measure of danger or that some security was breached.

The article states:

Omhari Sengstacke, 31, of Chicago, was apparently intoxicated but not armed when he was arrested about 6:30 a.m. as he neared the barriers posted with no-access signs a block from the South Side home, said police spokesman Daniel O'Brien.

Police found a gun and a bulletproof vest in his car nearby.

Sengstacke did not utter any threats against Obama or make any threatening gestures before his arrest, and he never breached the outermost perimeter of multiple security layers, U.S. Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley said.

Asked if Sengstacke may have wanted to hurt Obama, his brother, Robert Sengstacke, told The Associated Press, "I seriously doubt that."

In a statement issued Tuesday night, the Sengstacke family said they have "passionate support" for Obama and that Sengstacke "had no intent to harm Obama nor his family."

The fact that Sengstacke did not have the firearm with him at the time of his arrest "is proof that he had no ill intent toward the presidential candidate," the family said.

The Secret Service are not interested in this man. He did not breach security he merely tooled along and came near a secured area. No charges are being pressed against him. He was arrested as part of protocol measures. These types of thing happen all of the time, they are merely getting oodles of press attention given who the players are and the fact that it is an election year. The ante is a bit higher with regards to articles involving security and Obama because of concerns surrounding possible higher risk of attack due to his skin color and religious affiliations.

Could we get a more specific prediction for another day in the near future? One that is not vague and open to interpretation?

Dutch
24th September 2008, 04:51 AM
from another forum:
I don't quite understand your work, but yesterday this book came out about vd Graaf....
Het boek over Volkert geeft geen antwoorden
http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/247113/Het-boek-over-Volkert-geeft-geen-antwoorden.html
So?
the timing is 'in the face'

Blue Mountain
24th September 2008, 05:43 AM
from another forum:
I don't quite understand your work, but yesterday this book came out about vd Graaf....
Het boek over Volkert geeft geen antwoorden
http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/247113/Het-boek-over-Volkert-geeft-geen-antwoorden.html
So?
the timing is 'in the face'
How so? I can't read Dutch.

Blue Mountain
24th September 2008, 05:55 AM
Both Fortuyn and Hirshi Ali are giving expression on this Golden Mean timecoded spiral of which the dates were predetermined back in 2004 already, just after the assassination of Theo van Gogh.
Dutch, can you define what a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral" is, please, and provide an example of how you apply it within the context of HDD? Here, and in your own words?

I won't accept "Go look it up on my forum." Copy and paste from your forum if it will make it easier for you write the definition here.

Polgara
24th September 2008, 06:13 AM
Swami. Can we get one or two direct answers?

Polgara
24th September 2008, 06:57 AM
Dutch, can you define what a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral" is, please, and provide an example of how you apply it within the context of HDD? Here, and in your own words?

I won't accept "Go look it up on my forum." Copy and paste from your forum if it will make it easier for you write the definition here.

godlikeproductions.com and armageddononline.org

I've cruised these.

Dutch
24th September 2008, 01:17 PM
Dutch, can you define what a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral" is, please, and provide an example of how you apply it within the context of HDD? Here, and in your own words?

I won't accept "Go look it up on my forum." Copy and paste from your forum if it will make it easier for you write the definition here.

I can't copy a whole thread. If you want to understand the signifigance of the posts I made, you do have to read the related thread, otherwise you will never get it, you will dismiss it and you will consider me to be insane.

For me these 'developments'today are 'in the face' experiences, confirming the hidden underlying Design and expressing the identified underlying themes
911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-hddesign.html)
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-hddesign.html
(http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-0.html)

Dutch
24th September 2008, 01:19 PM
godlikeproductions.com and armageddononline.org

I've cruised these.

actually I post at dozens of forums. they are listed at the HDDesign forum.

Dutch
24th September 2008, 01:22 PM
Swami. Can we get one or two direct answers?

I think I have to write some analysis about the posted events, because people are to lazy to do their own research. I expect to have time to do so next Friday. Its all there in the material though

Dutch
24th September 2008, 01:37 PM
Dutch, the part that I bolded, is that part of the events that are supposed to happen on September 25?

If not, would any mention in any press on September 25 of Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica suing Dutch government, or Mladic count as a "hit"?

I would consider any expression of Srebrenica Karma to be a hit around September 25.
That could be the arrest of Mladic....or his suicide....or Wim Kok having a heart attack ( politically responsible at the highest level in The Netherlands during the Srebrenica massacre ).....another high profile assassination in The Netherlands or in the country that is eventually responsible for the refusal of air support to protect the people of Srebrenica, with the biggest genocide in Europe since WWII as a result.
The expression can also be subtle, more dates are coming up in Otober and November as mentioned.
I have to add that for those who haven't read the related material, that the 'security issue' for Obama ( talk about that more next friday) is a potential Pim Fortuyn - Theo van Gogh event.

Anyway, you will recognize it........

Dutch
24th September 2008, 01:46 PM
this is what I call synchronicity.....

after the post above I decided to check the news befor going to sleep

first thing I read:

Obama 'hanged on a tree'

'Obama' opgehangen aan boom
Uitgegeven: 24 september 2008 21:41
Laatst gewijzigd: 24 september 2008 21:42

NEWBERG - Op een christelijke universiteit in de Amerikaanse staat Oregon is beroering ontstaan over een levensgrote beeltenis van presidentskandidaat Barack Obama die opgeknoopt was aan een boom.
http://www.nu.nl/news/1760207/22/%27Obama%27_opgehangen_aan_boom.html

Paul
24th September 2008, 01:55 PM
I can't copy a whole thread. If you want to understand the signifigance of the posts I made, you do have to read the related thread...The problem, Dutch, is that the thread you reference does not explain anything, it merely states some numbers and dates and then starts with the Hyper Dimensional Cube / Golden Mean Phi based inspiralling / Tetrahedronal geometry / intelligently designed underlying timecoded patterns / 911 Phi based timecoded spiral nonsense.

Simply listing things you've invented does not explain them; what is this hyper-dimensional cube?, how does it relate to tetrahedrons and spirals?, and what is it's exact relationship with our universe's compliment of regular dimensions?

Paul
24th September 2008, 02:13 PM
I would consider any expression of Srebrenica Karma to be a hit around September 25.And, of course, you are in charge of what represents 'Srebrenica Karma'.

The expression can also be subtle,Just in case nothing happens.

more dates are coming up in Otober and November as mentioned.Obviously, the more dates the better; this extra dimensional whatever sure is busy messing with our reality.

I have to add that for those who haven't read the related material, that the 'security issue' for ObamaOh, you mean the 'no security issue at all' that you want to twist to your own failed predictions.

is a potential Pim Fortuyn - Theo van Gogh event.Insomuch as an unarmed man with no ill will is a potential assassin.

Anyway, you will recognize it........No we won't, fantasising is your department.

Langis
24th September 2008, 02:40 PM
I once looked at a girl's Hyper Dimensional Design and she slapped me.

Regardless if we discover true magic I call dibs on Ice and Healing.

Blue Mountain
24th September 2008, 03:17 PM
Dutch, can you define what a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral" is, please, and provide an example of how you apply it within the context of HDD? Here, and in your own words?

I won't accept "Go look it up on my forum." Copy and paste from your forum if it will make it easier for you write the definition here.

I can't copy a whole thread. If you want to understand the signifigance of the posts I made, you do have to read the related thread, otherwise you will never get it, you will dismiss it and you will consider me to be insane.
Dutch, I realise that defining something and providing a explanation can be two different things.

For example, a black hole can be succinctly defined as follows:

A black hole is a theoretical region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. visible light), can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term derives from the fact that the absorption of visible light renders the hole's interior invisible, and indistinguishable from the black space around it.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_hole&oldid=240548703)

That said, physicists can write volumes of complex theory and mathematics that would make a PhD's head spin.

Can you provide a succinct definition of a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral"? After that, perhaps you can supply a simple example of how you use it.

Paulhoff
24th September 2008, 06:56 PM
Dutch,..................................

Can you provide a succinct definition of a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral"? After that, perhaps you can supply a simple example of how you use it.
Paulhoff waits for the end of time...............

That should come a lot sooner........

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
24th September 2008, 11:34 PM
in English:

updated September 25 'Obama security issue'
Obama effigy found hanging from campus tree
School leaders, students express outrage at 'overt racial act'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872774/
Sept. 24, 2008
NEWBERG, Ore. - Students and school leaders at a small Christian university expressed outrage Wednesday at the discovery of a life-size cardboard effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama hanging from a tree on campus.

Dutch
24th September 2008, 11:37 PM
The problem, Dutch, is that the thread you reference does not explain anything, it merely states some numbers and dates and then starts with the Hyper Dimensional Cube / Golden Mean Phi based inspiralling / Tetrahedronal geometry / intelligently designed underlying timecoded patterns / 911 Phi based timecoded spiral nonsense.

Simply listing things you've invented does not explain them; what is this hyper-dimensional cube?, how does it relate to tetrahedrons and spirals?, and what is it's exact relationship with our universe's compliment of regular dimensions?

Apparently you do have the time to make your comments but you have never tried to read the material in order to understand? I can't bring everybody to understanding from nothing.

You have to do your research or you will dismiss this HDDesign as nonsense.

Dutch
24th September 2008, 11:50 PM
And, of course, you are in charge of what represents 'Srebrenica Karma'.

no, you can make up your own mind about it

Just in case nothing happens.

The subtle expressions have already happened and are already posted


Obviously, the more dates the better; this extra dimensional whatever sure is busy messing with our reality.


The first marker of this 911 based Phi spiral happened on May 6, 2002 ( Fortuyn), the second 911 days later on Nevember 2, 2004 ( van Gogh).

Spiralling inwards Phi based makes that this spiral will come to an end in November 2008, with shorter intervals in between the key dates ofcourse.

Nobody is messing with our reality, WE are rsponsible for the Srebrenica massacre, whether you pulled the trigger in Portocari or kept your eyes closed when 8000 boys and men were seperated from their womesn and shot to death, because we didn't want to protect the UN safa haven Srebrenica.
You can close your eyes, but you do have to deal with this karma

Oh, you mean the 'no security issue at all' that you want to twist to your own failed predictions.

a subtle expression of a 'security issue' yes


Insomuch as an unarmed man with no ill will is a potential assassin.

both were assassinated, I prefer the subtle expressions ( especially when I talk about nukes for instance)

Dutch
24th September 2008, 11:54 PM
Can you provide a succinct definition of a "Golden Mean timecoded spiral"?


a 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral starts with 2 dots on a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron: 911 days ( +/-1 day)

Phi based inspiralling gives 911 / 1.61803399 = 563 days

and so on 563 / 1.61803399 etc

the determined dates are expressing the identiefied underlying themes

The spiral I talk about here comes to an end in November

Blue Mountain
25th September 2008, 05:53 AM
A 911 based Golden Mean timecoded spiral starts with 2 dots on a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron: 911 days ( +/-1 day)

Phi based inspiralling gives 911 / 1.61803399 = 563 days

and so on 563 / 1.61803399 etc

the determined dates are expressing the identiefied underlying themes

The spiral I talk about here comes to an end in November
Thank you! Your explanation captures what you mean when you say "spiral."

When computing a timespiral, do round to whole integers at every step on the spiral? Do you round up or round down?

For exampe: 911/1.31803399 = 563.03, which can be conveniently expressed as 563 days.

But the next step is problematic: 563/1.61803399 = 347.95. Do you express this as 347 days or 348? And when you do the following step, do you start at 347, at 347.9531354, or 348?

Have you made allowances for problems that may occur due to cumulative rounding errors?

Also, since the value of Phi is a fraction (1.618...), do you take into account the fact that Earth will rotate and additional 0.618 days (approximately 14 hours and 50 minutes) at every step of the spiral? Since most of the events you describe happen during the daylight hours, would that put events at each step on the opposite side of the globe from the previous step? Or do you simply apply your +/- one day at each step (for reasons that I do not yet fully understand) and hence ignore the fraction?

The reson I'm asking these question is due to the "E" in "JREF". That stands for "Educational." If you wish for us to not dismiss your claims outright, you have to be prepared to do some education. You have to present us with a coherent explanation of why you believe HDD is a useful tool and how you come to the conclusions you do.

Looking forward to further useful discussion.

Paul
25th September 2008, 08:44 AM
Apparently you do have the time to make your comments but you have never tried to read the material in order to understand?I've read it more than once, the problem is that you either cannot or will not explain any of it.

I can't bring everybody to understanding from nothing.Then you have nothing to say; if you can't explain your system what use is it?

You have to do your research or you will dismiss this HDDesign as nonsense.I can't do research if you will not lay out the basics of HDDesign in an understandable format.

Paul
25th September 2008, 09:08 AM
no, you can make up your own mind about itThe minds of most here seem to disagree with you, what should that mean?

Nobody is messing with our realityOK, so this dimensional doohickey is merely a passive marker, intersecting with earth at vaguely predictable times but in random places.

WE are rsponsible for the Srebrenica massacreI am most certainly not responsible, however, you do seem to have an inordinate amount of personal guilt for something you could have no prior knowledge of.

whether you pulled the trigger in Portocari or kept your eyes closed when 8000 boys and men were seperated from their womesn and shot to deathI, and most other people on the planet did neither.

because we didn't want to protect the UN safa haven Srebrenica. If you want to apportion blame, fine, but there are actually very few people who could have influenced the outcome in any way.


You can close your eyes, but you do have to deal with this karmaThat only applies if:
you did close your eyes
karma exists
you bear any responsibility
a subtle expression of a 'security issue' yesIt wasn't a security issue: An unarmed man, with no intention of doing any harm and who apparently supports Obama, got drunk and wandered too close to a security cordon.

both were assassinated, I prefer the subtle expressions ( especially when I talk about nukes for instance)But Obama wasn't even spoken to in a hurtful way, that stretches the definition of subtle way beyond breaking point in the most generous circumstances.

Dutch
25th September 2008, 01:04 PM
Blue Mountain,

I calculate like this:

start: +911 days
911 / 1.61803399 = outcome X = events day ( +/- 1 day )
911 + outcome X + (outcome X / 1.61803399) = next eventsday (+/- 1 day ) as calculated from the start of the spiral

and so on

Dutch
25th September 2008, 01:10 PM
deleted, format wasn't right

Paulhoff
25th September 2008, 01:23 PM
Blue Mountain,

I calculate like this:

start: +911 days
911 / 1.61803399 = outcome X = events day ( +/- 1 day )
911 + outcome X + (outcome X / 1.61803399) = next eventsday (+/- 1 day ) as calculated from the start of the spiral

and so on
It is like taking to a dower, they haven't got a clue.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
25th September 2008, 01:25 PM
I've read it more than once, the problem is that you either cannot or will not explain any of it.

I mean the 'raw material'on the HDDesign forum, posted 'realtime' during the last couple of years. not this thread only with some crosspostings.

I can't do research if you will not lay out the basics of HDDesign in an understandable format.

fine, but you have to read first, otherwise I have to start from scratch.
You must understand that my 'research' is ongoing, that the theories are in development every day, that I have to determine future keydates and themes and post them on the timelines, that I have to monitor reality, that I have to post my findings and crosspost the results on forums.
All that I have to do 'in between'my daily activities, I have a normal job to do. I have limited spare time to do this and at home I'm barely online.

Dutch
25th September 2008, 01:27 PM
It is like taking to a dower, they haven't got a clue.

Paul

:) :) :)

911 - 911/Phi - 911/Phi/Phi etc

Dutch
25th September 2008, 01:49 PM
The minds of most here seem to disagree with you, what should that mean?

everybody disagrees with this initially, even I did. I changed my mind when all these coincidences started to emerge while working with this material. If you seriously investigate this, you will change your mind.

OK, so this dimensional doohickey is merely a passive marker, intersecting with earth at vaguely predictable times but in random places.

Once the pattern is identified, additional 'tuning' can narrow it down.

I am most certainly not responsible, however, you do seem to have an inordinate amount of personal guilt for something you could have no prior knowledge of.

The people we have chosen as our leaders decided that the life of a platoon Dutch soldiers is more important than the life of 8000 muslim men and boys. We didn't care less.
You didn't threw a fatman on Hirhoshima either, but you still have to deal with the karmic consequences. You are here to learn


If you want to apportion blame, fine, but there are actually very few people who could have influenced the outcome in any way.

That's exactly how blind we are: there were soldiers overthere to protect these people, it was a UN safe haven. Airsupport was asked but refused.
Its about the choices we make, we could have prevented this biggest massacre in Europe after WWII but we decided NOT to do so.


That wasn't a security issue: An unarmed man, with no intention of doing any harm and who apparently supports Obama, got drunk and wandered too close to a security cordon.


But Obama wasn't even spoken to in a hurtful way, that stretches the definition of subtle way beyond breaking point in the most generous circumstances.


since you are to lazy to read that in the given thread, I will look it up for you that this very same pattern showed more of these issues related to Obama .The signifigance should become clear for you, I hope

Paulhoff
25th September 2008, 02:13 PM
911 - 911/Phi - 911/Phi/Phi etc
911, now where have I heard that before....................

Hello police...................

Boom.................

Make a few more numbers up...........................

1492, 1812, 1776................... go for it.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
25th September 2008, 02:31 PM
I mean the 'raw material'on the HDDesign forum, posted 'realtime' during the last couple of years. not this thread only with some crosspostings.You want me to look through 6861 articles before I can understand?

fine, but you have to read first, otherwise I have to start from scratch.Of course you have to start from scratch, that's how you tell people about new things. Your ideas are new to most people, therefore you need to explain the basic principles behind them; without a basis from which to work, no one can research your ideas independently.

You must understand that my 'research' is ongoing, that the theories are in development every dayGreat, you have theories, let's see them so we have something to work with.

Paul
25th September 2008, 03:29 PM
everybody disagrees with this initially, even I did.I changed my mind when all these coincidences started to emerge while working with this material.Even you are using the word coincidence now.

If you seriously investigate this, you will change your mind.No, I won't. Several of us have pointed out inaccuracies, misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and misrepresentations in your work, yet, despite constantly urging research, you never address these criticisms.

Once the pattern is identified, additional 'tuning' can narrow it down.If you begin with such precise numbers and such a vast margin of allowable error, why should tuning be required.

The people we have chosen as our leaders decided that the life of a platoon Dutch soldiers is more important than the life of 8000 muslim men and boys.Or perhaps they took the threat to shell 20-30000 civilians seriously. Don't try to oversimplify this just to make points with your theories.

We didn't care less.There you go again, why are you obsessed with this particular war crime and laying the blame with the largely powerless civilian population of the entire planet?

You didn't threw a fatman on Hirhoshima either, but you still have to deal with the karmic consequences. You are here to learnIf you want to espouse some quasi philosophy and quasi spirituality, that's fine, no need to try and dress it up in pseudoscience and hectoring.

That's exactly how blind we are: there were soldiers overthere to protect these people, it was a UN safe haven.Not many soldiers without much equipment in a large area.

Airsupport was asked but refused.Initially that looks like combinations of incompetence, weather, and Serbian threats against civilians and troops.

Its about the choices we make, we could have prevented this biggest massacre in Europe after WWII but we decided NOT to do so.Again you oversimplify a very complex situation.

since you are to lazy to read that in the given threadYou really know how to encourage people don't you?


I will look it up for you that this very same pattern showed more of these issues related to Obama .The signifigance should become clear for you, I hopeWell, your timeline Q3, 2008 Jul - Aug - Sep thread lists only 2 incidents, neither of which constitute a security issue for Obama:
Omhari Sengstacke - "Secret Service's view that Sengstacke never constituted a threat." U.S. Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley
George Fox University - Racist idiot at small Christian university, Obama in Florida at the time.

Blue Mountain
25th September 2008, 06:44 PM
Blue Mountain,

I calculate like this:

start: +911 days
911 / 1.61803399 = outcome X = events day ( +/- 1 day )
911 + outcome X + (outcome X / 1.61803399) = next eventsday (+/- 1 day ) as calculated from the start of the spiral

and so on
All right, I think I'm following you here. Assume two significant events occur 911 days apart: the first one on July 4, 2001 and the next on January 1, 2004. Assuming I've read your above post correctly, the next two significant dates on the spiral are as follows:

January 1, 2004 + (911/1.61803399) = 2004-01-01 + 563 days = July 17, 2005 (+/- 1 day)
July 17, 2005 + (563/1.61803399) = 2005-07-17 + 347 days = June 29, 2006 (+/- 1 day)

Am I correct? Can you show me, please, the next three dates on the spiral? (Remember the "E" in JREF.)

(I'm not saying there actually is a spiral that started on July 4, 2004 and manifested itself on January 1, 2007; I'm merely saying that assuming there was one, what are the significant dates on the spiral?)

Thanks!

Dutch
26th September 2008, 03:08 AM
first things first, I will respond later to the requests

Coming up: Hyper Dimensional Octahedron Timeframe around October 1-2, 2008

October 2, 2008 - Hyper Dimensional Octahedron macrolevel orientation.

2 major events in our current times are marking the hidden underlying Design: the Hariri killing and Deep Impact on Temple I.

The Golden Mean timecoded spiral that originated on HD Cube around February 14, 2004, runs through the Hariri killing on HD Cube February 14, 2005, with next hit on the spiral during July 4, 2005 with Deep Impact on comet Temple I. Next hit golden mean based is HD Cube February 14, 2006, with Venus at the same geometrical position.
Then again the HD Cube February 14: in 2007. ( Hariri anniversary, see timelines)

Next date Golden Mean based gives HD Octahedron October 2, 2008.
note that on the other HD Octahedron key date April 1-2, 2008 ( Hyper Dimensional Octahedron timeframe at macrolevel orientation)
Mercury 'The Messenger' was at same geometrical position as during the assassination of Rafik Hariri: UN 'completes' formation of Hariri tribunal
see timeline Q2 2008

Mercury 'The Messenger' during the ascension endtriggerdate at same position as during the assassination of Rafik Hariri

also:Mercury 'The Messenger' at same geometrical position as during the first and second time Cheney as Acting President of the United States of America, see related thread 'Mercury The Messenger'.

also':'Mercury The Messenger' at same position on its orbit as during flight 522 crash: 'running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation.'

Ascension starttriggerdate: March 11, 2004 Madrid Bombings

Mercury 'The Messenger' AND Venus at same position on their orbits during the awakenings starttriggerdate as during the 9/11 attacks

Mars at same position on his Orbit during the ascension endtriggerdate as during Nagasaki
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same position during the ascension endtriggerdate as during the expected Nagasaki echo on July 16, 2007:
"Coinciding with a powerful Typhon, a strong eartquake hit Japan causing the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak. There's no better way to express a Nagasaki echo without throwing another fatman on Japan."

The HD Octahedron is closely connected to the December 26, 2004 Sumatra quake / Tsunami. Mercury 'The Messenger' will be at the same position during the 911 (Tetrahedron) based control endtriggerdate as during the 9+ Sumatra quake / Tsunami on December 26, 2004

==

So let's take a look at the trigger events for this HD Octahedron timeframe:

quake / Tsunami

2007 - A tsunami occurs on the northern coast of Japan after an earthquake with a magnitude of 6.9 in the Sea of Japan. NHK reports that 1 person has died and 40 have been injured.
1964 - The Good Friday Earthquake, the most powerful earthquake in U.S. history at a magnitude of 9.2 strikes South Central Alaska, killing 125 people and inflicting massive damage to the city of Anchorage
2005 - The 2005 Sumatran earthquake rocks Indonesia, and at magnitude 8.7 is the second strongest earthquake since 1960.
1946 - Aleutian Island earthquake: A 7.8 magnitude earthquake near the Aleutian Islands creates a tsunami that strikes the Hawaiian Islands killing 159 (mostly in Hilo, Hawaii).
1957 - The magnitude 8.6 1957 Andreanof Islands Earthquake and tsunami occurs.

Ascension starttriggerdate: March 11, 2004 Madrid Bombings

Besides this direct connection with the Ascension triggerdate, these events are also triggerevents, its the first time I see these 3 together:

2004 - Madrid Train Bombings: Simultaneous explosions on rush hour trains in Madrid (Spain) kill 191 people.
2004 - Islamist terrorists involved in the 11 March 2004 Madrid attacks attempt to bomb the Spanish high-speed train AVE near Madrid. Their attack is thwarted.
2004 - Islamic terrorists involved in the 11 March 2004 Madrid attacks are trapped by the police in their apartment and kill themselves

'Deep Impact' - Nagasaki - Nagasaki echo

1979 - In Pennsylvania, a pump in the reactor cooling system fails in the Three Mile Island accident, resulting in the evaporation of some contaminated water causing a nuclear meltdown.
1997 - An explosion at a nuclear waste reprocessing plant in Japan exposes 35 workers to low-level radioactive contamination in the worst nuclear accident in Japan's history.
1981 - More than 100 workers are exposed to radiation during repairs of a nuclear power plant in Tsuruga, Japan.
1986 - In Ukraine, a nuclear reactor accident occurs at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, creating the world's worst nuclear disaster.

Mercury 'The Messenger' at same geometrical position as during the first and second time Cheney as Acting President of the United States of America

US Presidency and Papacy are interchangeable in the concept of 'exit of Sun king'.

1981 - President Ronald Reagan is shot in the chest outside a Washington, D.C., hotel by John Hinckley, Jr.
1981 - President Ronald Reagan returns to the White House from the hospital, 12 days after he was wounded in an assassination attempt.
1841 - President William Henry Harrison dies of pneumonia, becoming the first President of the United States to die in office
1865 - Union cavalry troopers corner and shoot dead John Wilkes Booth, President Lincoln's assassin, in Virginia.
Died: 2005 - Pope John Paul II
2005 - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is inaugurated as the 265th Pope of the Roman Catholic Church taking the name Pope Benedict XVI.
12 Popes died on the triggers

Hariri - Syria-first war scenario

2005 - Under international pressure, Syria withdraws the last of its 14,000 troop military garrison in Lebanon, ending its 29-year military domination of that country.

Other themes on the triggers:

Cuba

1952 - Fulgencio Batista leads a successful coup in Cuba.
1956 - Fidel Castro declares himself at war with the President of Cuba.
1990 - The United States begins broadcasting TV Martí to Cuba in an effort to bridge the information blackout imposed by the Castro regime.
1989 - Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev arrives in Havana, Cuba to meet with Fidel Castro in an attempt to mend strained relations.

Martin Luther King jr

1965 - Civil rights activists led by Martin Luther King, Jr. successfully complete their 4-day 50-mile march from Selma to the capitol in Montgomery, Alabama.
1967 - Martin Luther King, Jr. delivers his "Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence" speech in New York City's Riverside Church.
1968 - Martin Luther King, Jr. is assassinated by James Earl Ray at a motel in Memphis, Tennessee.
1968 - Martin Luther King Jr. delivers his "I've Been to the Mountaintop" speech.
1969 - In Memphis, Tennessee, James Earl Ray pleads guilty to assassinating Martin Luther King Jr. He would later retract his guilty plea.

Tornado

1890 - A tornado strikes Louisville, Kentucky, killing 76 and injuring 200.
1920 - Palm Sunday tornado outbreak of 1920 affects the Great Lakes region and Deep South states.
1994 - One of the biggest tornado outbreaks in recent memory hits the Southeastern United States. One tornado slams into a church in Piedmont, Alabama during Palm Sunday services killing 20 and injuring 90.
1888 - The Great Blizzard of 1888 begins along the eastern seaboard of the United States, shutting down commerce and killing more than 400.
2006 - Over 60 tornadoes break out, hardest hit is Tennessee with 29 people killed.
1936 - Tupelo-Gainesville tornado outbreak: An F5 tornado kills 233 in Tupelo, Mississippi.
1936 - Tupelo-Gainesville tornado outbreak: Another tornado from the same storm system as the Tupelo tornado hits Gainesville, Georgia, killing 203.
1974 - The Super Outbreak occurs, the biggest tornado outbreak in recorded history. The death toll is 315, with nearly 5,500 injured.
1956 - Hudsonville-Standale Tornado: The western half of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan is struck by a deadly F5 tornado.
1979 - Red River Valley Tornado Outbreak: A tornado lands in Wichita Falls, Texas killing 42 people.
1965 - The Palm Sunday tornado outbreak of 1965: Fifty-one tornadoes hit in six Midwestern states, killing 256 people.
1991 - Seventy tornadoes break out in the central United States. Before the outbreak's end, Andover, Kansas, would record the year's only F5 tornado (see Andover, Kansas Tornado Outbreak).

Serbian leadership

Died: 2006 - Slobodan Milošević, President of Serbia and of Yugoslavia
2003 - Zoran Đinđić, Prime Minister of Serbia ( killed / Dutch)
1991 - Massive demonstrations are held against Slobodan Milošević in Belgrade. Two people are killed and tanks are in the streets.
2001 - Former president of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Slobodan Milošević surrenders to police special forces, to be tried on charges of war crimes.

Russian leadership / independance Georgia

1958 - Nikita Khrushchev becomes Premier of the Soviet Union.
1985 - Mikhail Gorbachev becomes the Soviet Union's leader.
1801 - Paul I of Russia is assassinated, leading the way for his son Alexander I to accede the throne
1991 - Georgian independence referendum, 1991: nearly 99 percent of the voters support the country's independence from the Soviet Union.
1991 - Georgia declares its independence from the Soviet Union.

Dutch
26th September 2008, 04:24 AM
updated September 25 +/- 1 day:
on the 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society:
German police seized two suspected terrorists from a Dutch passenger aircraft at Cologne airport Friday shortly before it was due to take off for Amsterdam

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/26/germany.plane/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/26/germany.plane/index.html)

Dutch
26th September 2008, 04:43 AM
Of course you have to start from scratch, that's how you tell people about new things. Your ideas are new to most people, therefore you need to explain the basic principles behind them; without a basis from which to work, no one can research your ideas independently.

I have done that numerous times in the past. Maybe its a good idea to read the threads about HDDesign on BAUT forum, in which I explain alot.
I don't have access to that forum ( banned) but you can do a search on user Dutch.

Dutch
26th September 2008, 04:48 AM
Paul, I'm not going to reply on your post 962 line for line

I noticed I have explained already with post 868

Paulhoff
26th September 2008, 05:47 AM
Humans are a pattern seeking animal, but some humans go way overboard on doing it, and that does go way overboard is named Dutch.

Dutch there are no patterns here, only you see them because you seem to need them so badly.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
26th September 2008, 08:04 AM
Paul, I'm not going to reply on your post 962 line for line

I noticed I have explained already with post 868That would be clever, as you posted that particular word salad back on 29th August.

Dutch
26th September 2008, 01:21 PM
read this speech of Prime minister Balkenende of The Netherlands, on the evening of September 25 at the UN in New York.

At the predetermined key date September 25 of the 911 based Phi Golden Mean spiral

remember that those people in Srebrenica should have been protected by Dutch soldiers on behalf of the UN. Srebrenica was a UN safe haven.

Read especially on page 3 of this PDF file of his speech:

'Freedom of fear'
Page 4 'freedom of expression and belief'
and the conclusion
here:
http://www.un.org/ga/63/generaldebate/pdf/netherlands_en.pdf (http://www.un.org/ga/63/generaldebate/pdf/netherlands_en.pdf)

Now be sure that you understand the historical event that took place in Srebrenica, make sure you understand what Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were standing for.

Both were assassinated on this Phi spiral linked to this Srebrenica karma
Prior to his speech, Balkenende was attending a meeting at the UN in New York honoring killed Dutch peace keeping soldiers.

As we have seen arlier on this related pattern, Dutch peace keeping soldiers were killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan on a previous hit on this Phi spiral. Not protecting the Muslims in Srebrenica is the same as killing your own people.
The Dutch soldiers that were killed are getting a standing ovation at the UN in New York:
25-sep-2008
Ovatie voor nabestaanden militairen in New York
http://oruzgan.web-log.nl/uruzgan_weblog/2008/09/ovatie-voor-nab.html (http://oruzgan.web-log.nl/uruzgan_weblog/2008/09/ovatie-voor-nab.html)
The muslims in srebrenica were seperated from their womens and shot to death by the thousands because we failed to protect them as promissed.

This karma has been spiralled into the Dutch society, the upcoming days are already given.

read the speech...........and think about it.... alot

I recommend to try to understand what has happened here

Paul
26th September 2008, 04:36 PM
read this speech of Prime minister Balkenende of The Netherlands, on the evening of September 25 at the UN in New York.

At the predetermined key date September 25 of the 911 based Phi Golden Mean spiralOK, what's special or especially important about any of that?

remember that those people in Srebrenica should have been protected by Dutch soldiers on behalf of the UN. Srebrenica was a UN safe haven.What, exactly, is your problem with the Dutch military and government?

Now be sure that you understand the historical event that took place in Srebrenica,I think that's something you should attain a more complete understanding of.

make sure you understand what Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were standing for.Between them a sort of gay, fascist, islamophobic, anti-semitic, republican centrism? With the right for them to say anything they wanted about other people of course.

Both were assassinated on this Phi spiral linked to this Srebrenica karmaThat really does look like a pretty desperate attempt at a connection.

Prior to his speech, Balkenende was attending a meeting at the UN in New York honoring killed Dutch peace keeping soldiers.Good for him, he is Prime Minister of the Kingdom of the Netherlands after all.

As we have seen arlier on this related pattern, Dutch peace keeping soldiers were killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan on a previous hit on this Phi spiral.I don't like where this is heading...

Not protecting the Muslims in Srebrenica is the same as killing your own people.And there it is, your obsession is really becoming rather nasty.

The Dutch soldiers that were killed are getting a standing ovation at the UN in New York:Do you have a reason for objecting to that, one that doesn't involve any irrational prejudices that is?

read the speech...........and think about it.... alotIt would appear that you have been thinking about it entirely too much.

I recommend to try to understand what has happened hereI can see where a lack of understanding might lead to certain ill-formed opinions and desperate retrofitting.

Blue Mountain
26th September 2008, 04:43 PM
All right, I think I'm following you here. Assume two significant events occur 911 days apart: the first one on July 4, 2001 and the next on January 1, 2004. Assuming I've read your above post correctly, the next two significant dates on the spiral are as follows:

January 1, 2004 + (911/1.61803399) = 2004-01-01 + 563 days = July 17, 2005 (+/- 1 day)
July 17, 2005 + (563/1.61803399) = 2005-07-17 + 347 days = June 29, 2006 (+/- 1 day)

Am I correct? Can you show me, please, the next three dates on the spiral? (Remember the "E" in JREF.)

(I'm not saying there actually is a spiral that started on July 4, 2004 and manifested itself on January 1, 2007; I'm merely saying that assuming there was one, what are the significant dates on the spiral?)

Thanks!
Hi Dutch,

Can you take a few minutes out of your obviously busy posting schedule to answer this question, please?

Thanks.

Dutch
27th September 2008, 04:42 AM
That's a nice examle, but I would choose a July 4 in another year :)

Deep Impact happened on July 4, 2005,

911 days later there was an actual Earth fly by on January 1, 2008

next date will 911 / 1.61803399 = 563 days later on July 17, 2009.

That date will be mentioned on the timeline for Q3 2009 with 'Deep Impact'as underlying theme

next date wil be 911+ 911/1.61803399 +911/1.61803399/1.61803399= 1822 days after the start= June 30, 2010

That date will also be on the future timeline as it makes an 911 based control timeframe around January 1, 2008 with an actual Earth fly by of spacecraft Deep Impact, the starttriggerdate July 4 2005 with Deep Impact on comet Temple I ( 911 days ) and endtriggerdate around June 30, 2010

you can go on like this until the end of the spiral arounf January 14, 2012.

Dutch
27th September 2008, 04:47 AM
Paul,

You should really read about this specific 911 based Phi spiral.

I could write a whole book on this specific spiral only

Why don't you just read the related thread so you can keep it in mind when those next keydates come in October and November ( end of spiral)

I don't think we should respond line by line.

Paul
27th September 2008, 10:10 AM
Paul,

You should really read about this specific 911 based Phi spiral.Dutch, you really should stop expending time avoiding giving any answers - see fine example #973 - and try replying properly to the questions asked.

Why don't you just read the related thread so you can keep it in mind when those next keydates come in October and November ( end of spiral)Because I asked you questions so that you, the supposed expert on this subject, could answer them, not so that you could get more traffic to you forums.

I don't think we should respond line by line.Obviously I do, or I wouldn't have done it.

Anyway, it's point by point, and if you don't think some of the points raised by myself and others are worth responding to, perhaps you should ask yourself why your ideas don't hold up to basic questioning.

Polgara
27th September 2008, 02:42 PM
Word salad.

Hans
27th September 2008, 09:33 PM
Hey Dutch

I find you everwhere on the net, forum after forum. Still spreading that special mental masturbation only you understand. I wonder how long you'll keep this up - I presume the mental chaffing must be getting pretty severe!

Dutch
28th September 2008, 05:32 AM
September 30, 2008 - keep an eye on Hubble - ISS, or other manmade objects in space - MIR 'Peace' desintegrated, as above so below
Mars at same position on its orbit as during desintegretion of MIR

Updated:

desintegration of 'MIR'revisited:

Europe's "space truck" heads for Pacific breakup

Scientists have earmarked a remote area of the South Pacific where bits of Europe's massive space freighter may crash when the orbiting craft is destroyed in a suicide plunge on Monday ( September 30 - 1 day) , an official said on Friday.
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Europes_space_truck_heads_for_Pacific_breakup_999. html

MIR means Peace

timeline Q3, 2008 Jul - Aug - Sep
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about317-hddesign.html

Paul
28th September 2008, 10:23 AM
September 30, 2008 - keep an eye on Hubble - ISS, or other manmade objects in spaceAny particular one of the approximately 9000 items we should pay special attention to?

MIR 'Peace' desintegrated, as above so belowAnd? That was in March 2001.

Mars at same position on its orbit as during desintegretion of MIRWhat does mars have to do with anything?

Updated:

desintegration of 'MIR'revisited: ...snip... Is there any point at all to this reposted news?

MIR means PeaceIt also means world, and possibly universe as well, and, according to Wikipedia was the name given to pre-revolutionary Russian peasant communes.

timeline Q3, 2008 Jul - Aug - SepStop fishing for hits, that's the same 15 page thread you've been plugging, but refusing to answer questions about, all week.

Dutch
28th September 2008, 12:45 PM
?

I have put the desintegration of MIR on the timeline for September 30 +/- 1 day and it appears now that 'Jules Verne' will desintegrate next monday........

What do you need to open up your rigid mind?

Paul
28th September 2008, 02:06 PM
I have put the desintegration of MIR on the timeline for September 30 +/- 1 day and it appears now that 'Jules Verne' will desintegrate next monday........You mean tomorrow, September 29th.

In case you haven't noticed, both events were entirely deliberate and calculated precisely to bring the craft to re-entry above the pacific ocean; not an accident, not particularly dangerous, and nothing to do with the dangers of space-flight, nuclear energy or the positions of other astronomical bodies.

What do you need to open up your rigid mind?If my mind was rigid or closed as you imply, I wouldn't continue asking you questions in the seemingly vain hope that you might either explain or critically assess your ideas.

Dutch
28th September 2008, 11:57 PM
Paul, on September 18 I wrote here on this forum:


The fire on the MIR was only a small fire and this Hubble anomaly doesn't seem significant at the moment either, but there's more.

Today I gave it another look. The Mir desintegrated in Earth's atmosphere on reentry on March 23, 2001.

Again with the end of MIR we see a 911 based correlation with September 15, 2008

March 23, 2001 - September 15, 2008 = 2.733 days
or 3 times 911 = 2.733

ongoing 911 based pattern, connected by Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedrons.

I think that the underlying themes on this emerging underlying timecoded pattern are in fact about an expected event in space with a manmade object, in a sense that it would express the 'stay out of space' theme.

As it seems related to 'Deep impact' aswell ( coinciding on the patterns ), I wil keep a look on these patterns very closely.I will put the future keydates on the timelines.

First 'Deep Impact' date coming up is September 20, 2008

Another date to keep in mind is September 30, 2008

Mars is closely related to 9/11 and the HDTetrahedron in the HDDesign concept.

On September 30, 2008 Mars will be on te same relative position on its orbit as during the desintegration of MIR.

Also keep in mind that 'MIR' means 'PEACE'

as above, so below


All dates that are put on the timelines are +/- 1 day.

So on September 18 already I had identified this desintegration of spacestation MIR as underlying theme for September 30 +/- 1 day.

and as a 'coincidence' we have indeed a real reentry of a spacecraft on September 29!

Doesn't that make you think?

Paul
29th September 2008, 03:13 AM
Paul, on September 18 I wrote here on this forum: ...snipped... Doesn't that make you think?It makes me think that you constantly refuse to answer questions, confront criticisms, or engage in any meaningful discussion about anything you write.

Dutch
29th September 2008, 04:55 AM
That means it didn't make you think?

Paulhoff
29th September 2008, 05:25 AM
That means it didn't make you think?
Oh, we think, it is that you don't tell us anything other than posting news.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
29th September 2008, 05:57 AM
That means it didn't make you think?


Did you notice this part?you constantly refuse to answer questions, confront criticisms, or engage in any meaningful discussion about anything you write




In case you are confused, that was a question.

Paul
29th September 2008, 09:50 AM
Dutch, how's the space watching going?

Anything of any significance to your themes happened today?

Europe's "Jules Verne" space freighter has destroyed itself in a controlled burn-up over the southern Pacific.

Paulhoff
29th September 2008, 10:12 AM
Dutch, how's the space watching going?

Anything of any significance to your themes happened today?

Originally Posted by BBC News site
Europe's "Jules Verne" space freighter has destroyed itself in a controlled burn-up over the southern Pacific.



Damn Mercury, damn damn damn.

Paul

:) :) :)

Dutch
29th September 2008, 02:23 PM
That really is an expected 'desintegration of MIR' event with this desintegration of a manmade object from space

You guys don't seem to be surprised. Just a coincidence, lucky guess or cherry picking from all todays desintegrations on reentry?

Paulhoff
29th September 2008, 02:47 PM
That really is an expected 'desintegration of MIR' event with this desintegration of a manmade object from space

You guys don't seem to be surprised. Just a coincidence, lucky guess or cherry picking from all todays desintegrations on reentry?
You are our hero in cherry picking of news.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul
29th September 2008, 03:47 PM
That really is an expected 'desintegration of MIR' event with this desintegration of a manmade object from space


Now, I know this is tricky because you might have to do some research, but, according to NASA, how many pieces of orbital debris >10cm are currently being tracked?



I'll give you a clue, it's a little bit more than 1.

Paulhoff
29th September 2008, 05:06 PM
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/michael_shermer_on_believing_strange_things.html

Paul

:) :) :)

Blue Mountain
29th September 2008, 07:01 PM
That really is an expected 'desintegration of MIR' event with this desintegration of a manmade object from space

You guys don't seem to be surprised. Just a coincidence, lucky guess or cherry picking from all todays desintegrations on reentry?
Dutch, the golden mean timecoded spiral you put this on is tagged with the theme of "stay out of space" (your words). However, both the disintegration of Mir and the re-entry of the Jules Verne were both planned and went off without a hitch. Neither of these events supports the conclusion you're attempting to draw.

The failed missions to Mars would be better fodder for such a spiral.

Blue Mountain
29th September 2008, 08:41 PM
That's a nice example, but I would choose a July 4 in another year :)

Deep Impact happened on July 4, 2005,

911 days later there was an actual Earth fly by on January 1, 2008

next date will 911 / 1.61803399 = 563 days later on July 17, 2009.

That date will be mentioned on the timeline for Q3 2009 with 'Deep Impact' as underlying theme

next date will be 911+ 911/1.61803399 +911/1.61803399/1.61803399= 1822 days after the start= June 30, 2010

That date will also be on the future timeline as it makes an 911 based control timeframe around January 1, 2008 with an actual Earth fly by of spacecraft Deep Impact, the starttriggerdate July 4 2005 with Deep Impact on comet Temple I ( 911 days ) and endtriggerdate around June 30, 2010

you can go on like this until the end of the spiral around January 14, 2012.

Hi Dutch,

I spent a few minutes and wrote a program to compute the spiral you described above.

Problem is, according to my calculations, it should end nearly ten days earlier, on January 5, 2011:

+Days|Date|Descriptive Date
START|2004-07-04|Sunday 4 July 2004
+ 911.00 =|2007-01-01|Monday 1 January 2007
+ 563.03 =|2008-07-17|Thursday 17 July 2008
+ 347.97 =|2009-06-29|Monday 29 June 2009
+ 215.06 =|2010-01-30|Saturday 30 January 2010
+ 132.91 =|2010-06-11|Friday 11 June 2010
+ 82.14 =|2010-09-01|Wednesday 1 September 2010
+ 50.77 =|2010-10-21|Thursday 21 October 2010
+ 31.38 =|2010-11-21|Sunday 21 November 2010
+ 19.39 =|2010-12-10|Friday 10 December 2010
+ 11.98 =|2010-12-21|Tuesday 21 December 2010
+ 7.41 =|2010-12-28|Tuesday 28 December 2010
+ 4.58 =|2011-01-01|Saturday 1 January 2011
+ 2.83 =|2011-01-03|Monday 3 January 2011
+ 1.75 =|2011-01-04|Tuesday 4 January 2011
+ 1.08 =|2011-01-05|Wednesday 5 January 2011

Why do our numbers differ?

Dutch
30th September 2008, 12:25 AM
later Blue,

Paulhof:

here's another cherry pick from all incidents with the Hubble on September 30.........

"As it seems related to 'Deep impact' aswell ( coinciding on the patterns ), I wil keep a look on these patterns very closely.I will put the future keydates on the timelines.
First 'Deep Impact' date coming up is September 20, 2008 ( LHC / see timeline Q3 2008 for details )
Another date to keep in mind is September 30, 2008
Mars is closely related to 9/11 and the HDTetrahedron in the HDDesign concept.
On September 30, 2008 Mars will be on te same relative position on its orbit as during the desintegration of MIR.
Also keep in mind that 'MIR' means 'PEACE'
as above, so below"
and I have put it on the timeline on September 18:
"new date added and September 20 updated with same theme:
September 30, 2008 - 'Deep Impact', keep an eye on Hubble - ISS, or other manmade objects in space - MIR 'Peace' deintegrated, as above so below
Mars at same relative position as during desintegretion of MIR"
from the timeline:
September 29:
desintegration of 'MIR'revisited:
Europe's "space truck" heads for Pacific breakup
Scientists have earmarked a remote area of the South Pacific where bits of Europe's massive space freighter may crash when the orbiting craft is destroyed in a suicide plunge on Monday, an official said on Friday.
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Europes_space_truck_heads_for_Pacific_breakup_999. html
"Mir was much bigger, but the principle is the same."
Freighter to end life in fireball
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7639548.stm
'Deep Impact' below:
Dow suffers biggest point drop ever
U.S. lawmakers reject bailout plan
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/09/29/us.congress.bailout.deal/index.html
I asked to keep an eye on Hubble for September 30:
September 30, 2008:
Hubble glitch delays shuttle trip
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7642988.stm
A shuttle mission to service the Hubble telescope will be delayed because of a malfunction on the observatory.

Dutch
30th September 2008, 02:01 AM
Why do our numbers differ?


Because you are rounding to a full day and than adding the next step.

You should calculate from the start of the spiral for each hit, this way you can avoid the differences caused by rounding

The full spiral is 2385 days, if you add your step you come to 2383,28 ( because you stopped too soon).

add your steps first and calculate from the beginning

Dutch
30th September 2008, 03:16 AM
Dutch, the golden mean timecoded spiral you put this on is tagged with the theme of "stay out of space" (your words). However, both the disintegration of Mir and the re-entry of the Jules Verne were both planned and went off without a hitch. Neither of these events supports the conclusion you're attempting to draw.

The failed missions to Mars would be better fodder for such a spiral.

"stay out of space" and "don't mess" with nuclear power seem to be , at least to me, the 2 major recurring underlying themes of the Design of our current times. I have been saying that for years now.
The fact that both MIR and Jules Verne reentered and desintegrated on specific moments in our perception of time that are intelligently connected based on the described elements of HDDesign, means that these events occurred on a Designed moment in our perception of time. What it really means is something else and should be seen into perspective of the event that already have occured and that will occur in the future.
I didn't drew any conclusion, only that i expected a related events to this desintegration of MIR.
These patttern will continue and will be monitored, so we could undersstand what this is really about. I expect future developments with the ISS on these patterns and it wouldn't surprise me that the ISS will eventually come down and that the timeframe can be predetermined.
The spaceshuttle disasters, Mars exploration and Deeep Impact for instance, are also expressions of the same hidden underlying themes and will pop up again on the patterns

Paul
30th September 2008, 04:09 AM
"stay out of space" and "don't mess" with nuclear power seem to be , at least to me, the 2 major recurring underlying themes of the Design of our current times.Ah, very perceptive of you, it's just that you might want to take a look at war, hunger, poverty, politics, fundamentalism or health first.

I have been saying that for years now.That's nice for you, it doesn't mean anything though.

MIR and Jules Verne reentered and desintegrated on specific moments in our perception of timeSo far so good, if a little weirdly described.

that are intelligently connected based on the described elements of HDDesign, means that these events occurred on a Designed moment in our perception of time.OK, now you're just being silly.

What it really means is something else and should be seen into perspective of the event that already have occured and that will occur in the future.Really, from the perspective of things that haven't happened yet, and won't happen until you notice them on the 'net?

Also, what's this mysterious something else that they mean? If you know what it is, just say, otherwise it looks like you are trying to either sound important or build even more manoeuvring room into your scheme.

I didn't drew any conclusion, only that i expected a related events to this desintegration of MIR. Yes you did; you drew conclusions about the importance of the event, it's relationship to other events and it's position in your overall grand scheme.

The spaceshuttle disasters, Mars exploration and Deeep Impact for instance, are also expressions of the same hidden underlying themes and will pop up again on the patternsWhat about all the successful missions, or all the nuclear reactors that aren't leaking, malfunctioning or melting down?

Blue Mountain
30th September 2008, 05:47 AM
Because you are rounding to a full day and than adding the next step.

You should calculate from the start of the spiral for each hit, this way you can avoid the differences caused by rounding

The full spiral is 2385 days, if you add your step you come to 2383,28 ( because you stopped too soon).

add your steps first and calculate from the beginning
Hi Dutch,

I'm quite familiar with doing date and time calculations on computers. I'll re-check my numbers, but I don't think there's any rounding in there whatsoever. The perl DateTime module works with granularities down to the nanosecond.

Dutch, once more please remember the 'E' in JREF. Show us your work. Please show how you compute the complete spiral. You should be very detailed for the first four steps at minimum. After that you can simply list the date, the number of days to add, and the new date, until the end of the spiral.

All your work is worth nothing if other people are unable to replicate your methods and results. That's why I really want to see from you a complete spiral from beginning to end, in a fashion similar to what I posted above.

(I'm posting this in the early morning before heading off to work. I'll repost the table above in about 12 hours time, giving dates and times down to the second.)

Dutch
30th September 2008, 06:09 AM
911


563,0289633


347,9710357


215,057927


132,9131083


82,14481844


50,76828976


31,3765286


19,39176111


11,98476746


7,406993629


4,577773814


2,829219808


1,748554001


1,080665803


0,667888196


0,412777606


0,25511059


0,157667015


0,097443574


0,060223441


0,037220133


0,023003307


0,014216826


0,008786482


0,005430344


0,003356137


0,002074207


0,00128193


0,000792277


0,000489654


0,000302623


0,000187031



2385,028658