Hyper Dimensional Design

[Dutch]

All your research is of no value if it cannot be used to make viable predictions. That is the purpose of research: to understand the processes underlying observed phenomena, so that once we understand those processes we can use them to our advantage. (I keep coming back to "predictions" because that appears to be about the only use to which we could put HDD once we have puzzled out its processes.)

What about understanding our past and our current reality?

Why should it make viable predictions? I have never claimed to make exact predictions. We ahve talked about this several times. This is about specific underlying themes at specific moments in our perception of time.

[Dutch]

Can you please provide a link to your 2009 timeline? Here we see an all too typical example of your inability to communicate your ideas clearly. Why did I have to ask for a link?


the timelines are posted in the main forum of HDDesign forum

I'm not going to spam this forum with links to HDDesign forum.

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/index.php?mforum=hddesign

[Dutch]

If you're going to hang your credibility on a specific date, it would be a good idea to do proper research.

Your Mission News is dated December 13 2007, the latest Overview (December 29 2008) and Status Report (June 19 2008) both give November 4 2010, meaning you are already demonstrably incorrect with with your new pi nonsense.

So why would NASA communicate this Epoxi mission initially with a comet encounter on October 11, 2010, exactly creating Pi?

it makes no difference in the communication that is taking place.

This is about consciousness remember

[Dutch]

Why don't you just answer the question with a simple explanation, instead of asking us to wade through pages of incomprehensible word salad?

because it pops up so many times in the material, there is no simple explanation

edit: I have started to filter the HDDesign material on the end of the mayan calender just recently. I repost Mayan related stuff in a seperate thread for further 'research' and to put it into perspective.

[Dutch]

That's the best you can do? A vague statement that the President of the USA may have an undefined security issue at some point in 2009.

I have done that several times alreay in this thread, with Obama's 'security issue' , during 2009 these patterns will continue and will be put on the timelines

I can do better than that with no knowledge of the situation:
I predict that on at least one occasion the secret service will have serious concerns about the safety of President Obama due to a specific credible threat.

reread this thread again about the Obama security issue. I have had it

[Paul]

So why would NASA communicate this Epoxi mission initially with a comet encounter on October 11, 2010, exactly creating Pi?Because NASA aren't interested in creating pi for you, it is quite possible that the data may have changed since their initial calculations and their best data shows November 4 2010.

it makes no difference in the communication that is taking place.They aren't communications secretly with you, they are providing any interested parties with the most accurate informations about current missions that is available.

This is about consciousness rememberYou've been proved wrong, just admit it and stop digging a bigger hole of delusion for yourself.


Your pi calculations are wrong, using data from the source you used, that is a fact.

[Paul]

I have done that several times alreay in this thread, with Obama's 'security issue' , during 2009 these patterns will continue and will be put on the timelinesIt's been shown numerous times that you were wrong, including dates outside even your margins and claiming security issues where none existed.

reread this thread again about the Obama security issue. I have had itIt's been read, discussed, explained, demonstrated, explained again and pointed out as simply as we can, you have been shown to be wrong.

[Blue Mountain]

Which large pool of comet encounters are you talking about, with the Epoxi-moon-Earth Transit as Pi-point?
I said nothing about a large pool of comets. I mentioned a large pool of data. Comets are only part of that pool.

You really think this is just a coincidence or random event?

expressing Pi in the heavens as just a coincidence?

you must be kidding
In his book Chariots of the Gods?, Von Däniken found Pi all over the Great Pyramid, which is square in shape ...

The point we're trying to make here is with enough data, you can find all sorts of interesting things. But it doesn't mean those things are significant. Post hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.

This HDDesign isn't systematic indeed. I cannot plan anything.
It's a design, but it's not systematic? I thought the whole idea behind the term "design" was there is some sort of system in place.

These Epoxi/Deep Impact 'revelations' came out of nowhere. There's a thought, I give it a look and before I know it all these correlations are popping up. This is merely a psychic excercise, posted realtime so to speak.
Once again, post hoc ergo propter hoc.

The classic example of the post hoc fallacy is a study that examine the hat wearing habits of men. They discovered that men who were balding were more likely to be seen wearing hats. The study concluded that wearing hats causes baldness.

Do you see why that conclusion is wrong?

What about understanding our past and our current reality?
History, anthropology, political science, and philosophy are much more useful tools in understanding our past and our current reality.

Why should it make viable predictions? I have never claimed to make exact predictions. We ahve talked about this several times.
If all you're doing is making vague comments about "expressions", soothsayers used to do that by examining the entrails of goats. Aside from fewer dead goats, how is HDD an improvement on that?

This is about specific underlying themes at specific moments in our perception of time.
As to specific underlying themes, you are completely missing the fact that you decide that something is important, then on dates you believe something important will occur you trawl the newswires looking for something--anything-- that looks like it might match. With generous fudge factors and weasel words like "expression". That's not research. It sounds more like a Victorian parlour game.

the timelines are posted in the main forum of HDDesign forum

I'm not going to spam this forum with links to HDDesign forum.

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/index.php?mforum=hddesign
I appreciate your concern about spamming the JREF forum. However, if you post links to your forum when referring specific points you have made on your forum, I will not consider them to be spam and will not report them to the moderating team.

As a researcher you have an obligation to show us your original work. Which you do, in spades, on your forum. It currently has 7,330 posts in 329 topics spread across 17 forums. That's a lot of stuff to wade through. But because there's so much there, it would be much nicer to provide us with links instead of simply saying "go to my forum." Posting a link back to the appropriate post when referencing it here will be useful for all of us.

Also, I recommend you make your 2009 timelines sticky; it will make them easier to find.

[Dutch]

Because NASA aren't interested in creating pi for you, it is quite possible that the data may have changed since their initial calculations and their best data shows November 4 2010.

I don't think they did it for me, but they have done it initially. period.


They aren't communications secretly with you, they are providing any interested parties with the most accurate informations about current missions that is available.


and they come with Pi in the first place. Doesn't change a thing in relation to the hiden Intelligence behind it. This Pi expression is out there for everyone who understands its significgance


You've been proved wrong, just admit it and stop digging a bigger hole of delusion for yourself.


proved wrong? never happened


Your pi calculations are wrong, using data from the source you used, that is a fact.


are you saying Pi is not expressed with the given data?

[Dutch]

It's been shown numerous times that you were wrong, including dates outside even your margins and claiming security issues where none existed.

It's been read, discussed, explained, demonstrated, explained again and pointed out as simply as we can, you have been shown to be wrong.

nope, you just don't want to recognize the given events as subtle expressions related to the security issue of Obama. That doesn't mean it is wrong.

Only in your book, nobody has ever proved this HDdesign as invalid.

[Dutch]

The point we're trying to make here is with enough data, you can find all sorts of interesting things. But it doesn't mean those things are significant. Post hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.


The point is , that this is about a pi expression between the 2 targetted missions of a space craft in space. What other data?

You still think it is pretty normal to find this pi expression here?

and you are complaining how long it took to explain a Phi spiral?

[Dutch]

As a researcher you have an obligation to show us your original work. Which you do, in spades, on your forum. It currently has 7,330 posts in 329 topics spread across 17 forums. That's a lot of stuff to wade through. But because there's so much there, it would be much nicer to provide us with links instead of simply saying "go to my forum." Posting a link back to the appropriate post when referencing it here will be useful for all of us.

Do you think that I know what's all in there? I have to review it myself aswel.
This whole Pi issue that was put on the timeline for May 29, 2008 for instance, I had forgotten about that. as I do about most things that are posted in the material. It popped up by synchronicity again when I found out bout this Epoxi-moon- Earth Transit during that timeframe. A quick look on the timeline of Q2 2008 had set this Pi 'discovery' in motion. The idea of a Pi expression came to mind and was poroven valid instantly.

Even I don't have the time to reread everything but I don't have to. I just go on with my 'research'

[Dutch]

Also, I recommend you make your 2009 timelines sticky; it will make them easier to find.


they will, I'm a bit behind because I haven't been online much during November and December.I have a job to do too

[Paul]

I don't think they did it for me, but they have done it initially. period.



and they come with Pi in the first place. Doesn't change a thing in relation to the hiden Intelligence behind it. This Pi expression is out there for everyone who understands its significganceOK, I'll make it simple:
Some people have a thing, they want that thing to go from one place to another place and so they do some very complicated maths to find out when it will get there. The first number they come up with is the best they can do at the time, but later they have better information and do the maths again. The new, better, date is different from the first one but more accurate so they start to use that one.
You see, Dutch, November 4 2010 is the date NASA currently expect the comet encounter, it is also the date they would have used initially is the data had been available in it's current form. You say the date of the encounter is important, but when shown your error you claim it is some secret message about pi. If it is the first then your pi idea is nonsense, and if it is the second then all your Epoxi flyby ideas are nonsense. Which is it?

[Paul]

proved wrong? never happened



are you saying Pi is not expressed with the given data?Ignoring the facts doesn't help your case, it makes you appear inflexibly dogmatic.

Finding expressions of pi in data which is later found to be incorrect is not clever, and insisting on it's significance when it is shown to be inaccurate is worse.

[Paul]

nope, you just don't want to recognize the given events as subtle expressions related to the security issue of Obama. That doesn't mean it is wrong.

Only in your book, nobody has ever proved this HDdesign as invalid.No security issue is not a subtle expression of a security issue, it is the lack of a security issue. Insisting that incidents which the Secret Service do not recognise as security issues are important, but so subtle as to be invisible to everyone else, is more like the work of a conspiracy crackpot than the serious researcher you claim to be.

[Dutch]

OK, I'll make it simple:
Some people have a thing, they want that thing to go from one place to another place and so they do some very complicated maths to find out when it will get there. The first number they come up with is the best they can do at the time, but later they have better information and do the maths again. The new, better, date is different from the first one but more accurate so they start to use that one.
You see, Dutch, November 4 2010 is the date NASA currently expect the comet encounter, it is also the date they would have used initially is the data had been available in it's current form. You say the date of the encounter is important, but when shown your error you claim it is some secret message about pi. If it is the first then your pi idea is nonsense, and if it is the second then all your Epoxi flyby ideas are nonsense. Which is it?

Paul......that is exactly why you should be amazed. NASA is coming up with this initial date expressing Pi, not me

The chance this being just a random coincidence is almost 0

It still stands, who is talking to who here?

[Dutch]

Ignoring the facts doesn't help your case, it makes you appear inflexibly dogmatic.

Finding expressions of pi in data which is later found to be incorrect is not clever, and insisting on it's significance when it is shown to be inaccurate is worse.

Which facts? I have only seen opinions

Not clever....worse?

and what about the initial Pi expression?

right, just ignore it because you can't cope with the implications

I think that's worse than not clever indeed

[Paul]

Paul......that is exactly why you should be amazed. NASA is coming up with this initial date expressing Pi, not me

The chance this being just a random coincidence is almost 0

It still stands, who is talking to who here?Let's see what you said:
"As we have seen in previous posts and on the timeline, this May 29, 2008 timeframe of the Transit had a big emphasis on Pi, unveiling the correlations between Pi, ascension timframe, orbital positions, Deep Impact and the end of the Mayan Calendar"

"Wouldn't you think that if a Pi connection is there, it would be an unmistaken indication of hidden underlying Intelligent Design?"

"1925 / Pi / Pi is the difference between the timeframes from the Epoxi/moon/Earth Transit and the 2 Deep Ipact spacecraft events!!

This is so beautiful and fundamental."
So, when the accurate data shows no pi, it means that, according to you, there is no correlation, no unmistakable indication of intelligent design (perhaps a little slip in terminology there?) and no fundamental relationships between the Epoxi events.

Desperately trying to justify your mistake as important after the fact shows that you do not do anything approaching real research.

[Dutch]

So Nasa seems to choose the Transits as 'communication' marker.
We have just seen the Pi connection expressed by the Deep Impact/ Epoxi spacecraft -Moon-Earth Transit and the 2 comet encounters with Temple I and Hartlet, on May 29, 2008,
You can call this an 'artificial' transit with Deep Impact taking these awsome Transit images.
Deep Impact and Transits.......
expressing Pi on May 29, 2008.....
Deep Impact was launched on January 12, 2005
That was during another Transit......
and also here we have a camera out there in space to watch....
Transit of Mercury from Mars
A transit of Mercury across the Sun as seen from Mars takes place when the planet Mercury passes directly between the Sun and Mars, obscuring a small part of the Sun's disc for an observer on Mars. During a transit, Mercury can be seen from Mars as a small black disc moving across the face of the Sun.
taking pictures or 'communicating'?
The Mars Rovers Spirit and Opportunity could have observed the transit on January 12, 2005 (from 14:45 UTC to 23:05 UTC); however the only camera available for this had insufficient resolution. Ephemeris data generated by JPL Horizons indicates that Opportunity would be able to observe the transit from the start until local sunset at about 19:23 UTC, while Spirit would be able to observe it from local sunrise at about 19:38 UTC until the end of the transit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury_from_Mars
Well you might think...... 2 of these Transits.....its all just a coincidence.....who cares?......let's sleep a night and forget about it, tomorrow a next day.......
January 13, 2005
What's the news today?
are you kidding, another Transit?
Transit of Earth from Saturn
A transit of Earth across the Sun as seen from Saturn takes place when the planet Earth passes directly between the Sun and Saturn, obscuring a small part of the Sun's disc for an observer on Saturn. During a transit, Earth can be seen from Saturn as a small black disc moving across the face of the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Earth_from_Saturn
Well, I hear you thinking...... that's far away and it happens maybe 4 times in a century or so, and ofcourse we are not present this time.
No?
Yes!
Naturally, no one has ever seen a transit of Earth from Saturn, nor is this likely to happen in any foreseeable future. The last one took place on January 13-14, 2005 -- though the Cassini probe was present in the Saturn system, it was also the day of the Huygens probe mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Earth_from_Saturn
Huygens separated from the Cassini orbiter on December 25, 2004, and landed on Titan on January 14, 2005 near the Xanadu region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens_probe
It touched down on land during the Transit
unfortunately also here no pictures........again....( what a fool believes....)
Furthermore, the angular resolution needed to capture the occultation was near the limits of Cassini's imaging subsystem, to say nothing of the concerns of pointing the probe's camera directly at the Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Earth_from_Saturn
Oh, and its all just a coincidence ofcourse...........
Who is talking to Who?

[Paul]

So Nasa seems to choose the Transits as 'communication' marker... snip ...Oh, and its all just a coincidence ofcourse...........
Who is talking to Who?Is all that supposed to mean something?

[Dutch]

Is all that supposed to mean something?

what do you think?

[Dutch]

While you are thinking:

also think about: why would NASA change the communicated encounter date with comet Hartley from this Pi expression to a date with Earth on the same orbital position as during the biggest solar flare ever recorded?

http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_Maps/solar/Solar_Flare/solar_flare.html

I already said in 2004 that it wouldn't be a wise idea to target comet temple I like we did.

[Paul]

what do you think?I think you think there is great significance in anything which can be manipulated to fit with your preconceptions, but that you refuse to reassess anything where unfavourable evidence might lead to an outcome which could be considered negatively in relation to the ideas you are so heavily invested in. Thank you for asking.

[Paul]

why would NASA change the communicated encounter date with comet Hartley from this Pi expression to a date with Earth on the same orbital position as during the biggest solar flare ever recorded?What does 'on the same orbital position' mean?

NASA changed the date because the data suggested it should be changed, that is how science works.

http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_Maps/solar/Solar_Flare/solar_flare.html
Great source there, truly a one-stop-shop for all your pseudoscientific needs.

I already said in 2004 that it wouldn't be a wise idea to target comet temple I like we did.And then you went all misty eyed at the prospect of involving more mathematical nonsense and forgot all about that until now.

[Dutch]

NASA is still mentioning October 11, 2010 as the date of the Deep Impact/Epoxi encounter with comet Hartley, expressing Pi as described above.
http://discovery.nasa.gov/epoxi.html
However, NASA is also mentioning November 4, 2010 as the date of the encounter with comet Hartley:
Epoxi Spacecraft Soars Past Home
12.29.08 -- The NASA/JPL Epoxi spacecraft flew within 43,000 kilometers (26,700 miles) of Earth today. The Epoxi mission is scheduled to fly past comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/epoxi/index.html
So first comet Boethin magically disappeared, than Epoxi's new target was scheduled to meet on October 11, 2008 as initially communicated and as still mentioned on NASA websites, expressing Pi in the heavens.
and now it appears that the encounter will be on November 4, 2010.
Synchronicities that occured today made me ask these questions.
Why would NASA be inconsistent about this mission, why would NASA talk about an encounter expressing Pi in the heavens that apparently will not take place and why is this date November 4, 2010 mentioned now, with Earth, as I found out by synchronicity, at the same orbital position as during the biggest solar flare ever recorded on November 4, 2003?
http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_Maps...lar_flare.html
I already said in 2004 that it wouldn't be a wise idea to target comet temple I with an actual Impact like we have done on July 4, 2005.
Who is talking to who here?
I think NASA knows by now that it was indeed not a good idea to impact comet Temple I back on July 4, 2005.
NASA is occultly saying that this ´mistake´ is understood.
I don´t think there will be an actual encounter with comet Hartley on October 11 2010, November 4 2010 or any other date
We will see

[Paul]

NASA is still mentioning October 11, 2010 as the date of the Deep Impact/Epoxi encounter with comet Hartley, expressing Pi as described above.
http://discovery.nasa.gov/epoxi.html
However, NASA is also mentioning November 4, 2010 as the date of the encounter with comet Hartley:Just because the date is still on the site it doesn't mean anything special:

11/05/2007
As a result, I recommended to NASA that we switch to our backup target, comet 103P/Hartley 2, which has a very well defined orbit but which requires two extra years for the mission and thus additional funding from NASA. The encounter for the backup plan is on 11 October 2010.


12/31/2007
observations of extrasolar planets for EPOCh and an encounter with comet Hartley 2 for DIXI. The encounter went just as expected. Analysis of tracking data over the next week or two will allow us to determine how accurately we are on track and whether a "cleanup" maneuver is needed just before we begin the EPOCh observations.


06/19/2008
The EPOXI flight team fired their spacecraft's engine today to refine its trajectory. This trajectory sets the stage for an encounter with comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.


Those are Mission Status Reports which demonstrate that NASA believed a correction may be necessary back in 2007 and that when the engine was fired the adjustment was duly made.

[Paul]

So first comet Boethin magically disappeared"In the first half of October, Karen Meech organized an heroic effort to recover comet Boethin in time to plan the spacecraft's flyby of Earth, which would put it on target to go to the comet. The orbit is very uncertain due to the comet having been observed at only two apparitions, with no observations since 1986, and the uncertainty is so large that we would not have enough fuel on board to compensate for the uncertainty in the orbit after the flyby of Earth. This effort was not successful.
As a result, I recommended to NASA that we switch to our backup target, comet 103P/Hartley 2, which has a very well defined orbit but which requires two extra years for the mission and thus additional funding from NASA."

Mission Status Report 12/02/2007 (http://epoxi.umd.edu/1mission/status.shtml)

[Dutch]

Just because the date is still on the site it doesn't mean anything special


except the fact that it is expressing Pi

[Dutch]

ofcourse they couldn't find Boethin, they already couldn't find him in April 1997. Why would he show up this time than?

[Paul]

ofcourse they couldn't find Boethin, they already couldn't find him in April 1997. Why would he show up this time than?"In the first half of October, Karen Meech organized an heroic effort to recover comet Boethin in time to plan the spacecraft's flyby of Earth, which would put it on target to go to the comet. The orbit is very uncertain due to the comet having been observed at only two apparitions, with no observations since 1986, and the uncertainty is so large that we would not have enough fuel on board to compensate for the uncertainty in the orbit after the flyby of Earth. This effort was not successful."

Mission Status Report 11/05/2007 - bolding mine


That's why they couldn't find Boethin in time for the mission and why they recommended their backup target Hartley 2.

[Dutch]

OPDATED: JULY 22: KARADZIC ARRESTED ( I expected it earlier in July or in late August, I don't understand July 22 yet )
updated:
according to his lawyer Svetozar Vujacic: Karadzic has been arrested on Friday July 18, 2008 already, when he was at a bus in Belgrade.
That seems more valid to me, because that date I do understand:
Srebrenica July 11, 1995
Ascension starttriggerdate: December 19, 1990
December 19, 1990 - July 18, 2008 = 6.421 days
or 73 Mercury years in Earth days:
73 times 87.9691 = 6.421 days rounded
and of course as a consequence:
July 18, 2008:
Ascension endtriggerdate: February 8, 2013
Srebrenica July 11, 1995 - February 8, 2013 = 6.422 days
or 73 mercury years in Earth days again
WOW!
These events are unveiling and confirming the hidden underlying Design, based on intelligent correlations that are reflected in our solarsystem aswel:
I have called the thread monitoring these events: 'Balkan Karma Venus Based'
and Venus based it is....
The ascension triggerdates of Srebrenica and Karadzic' arrest:
December 19, 1990 - February 8, 2013 = 8087 days ( +/- 1 day)
Venus is confirming the Design:
36 Venus years in Earth days = 8088 days !!!

Serbian intelligence sources quoted in the Belgrade media said hunting down Gen Mladic was altogether a different prospect from snatching Mr Karadzic, who was taken without a fight on a No 73 bus in Belgrade last Friday.
bus 73...... 73 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days
That's a synchronicity 'in the face' I would say
On January 11, 2009 we are at 75 Mercury Years in Earth days
December 19, 1990 - January 11, 2009 = 6598 days
or 75 * 87.9691 = 6598 rounded
Mercury The Messenger at same orbital position again as during Karadzic' arrest:
January 11, 2009
Reports: Serbian authorities hang wanted posters for Mladic
(CNN) -- Serbian authorities have put up wanted posters for war crimes suspect Ratko Mladic at police stations across the country in their search for the highest-ranking figure from the Bosnia-Herzegovina conflict to remain at large, according to Serbian media reports.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/01/11/serbia.mladic/index.html
Mercury 'The Messenger'is confirming the hidden underlying Design again.
Next Venus hit is Mladic' showtime
That date has already been mentioned on the timeline for Q2, 2009:
April 7, 2009 - 'Srebrenica karma'

[Dutch]

the expectation above posted as April 7, 2009 ( +/- 1 day) was based on Venus ONLY.
Later I thought, 'wait a minute, Mercury should be there too".
I checked......and of course 'the messenger' will be there:
another mercury year gives April 8, 2008
July 18, 2008 ( Karadzic'arrest) + 3 Mercury years
or
January 11, 2009 + 1 mercury years (+/- 1 day) ( Mladic wanted )
So both Mercury and Venus are taking positions on their orbits around April 8, 2009, linked to Srebrenica and next steps in ongoing timecoded patterns that took out Milosevic, Arkan, Tolimir, Dutch peace keeping forces killed by friendly fire , etc.( All Venus based in relation to Srebrenica triggerdates) and Karadzic ( Mercury based in relation to the very same Srebrenica triggerdate).
Mladic + those (politically) responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre around April 7-8, 2009
So both Mercury and Venus.......reflecting the HDDesign in the heavens...
What do they have to say about 'Deep Impact' on comet Temple I?
Mercury 'The Messenger' was at the same orbital position during Impact on comet Temple I as Mercury will be at the end of the Mayan Calendar on December 21, 2012

July 4, 2005 - December 21, 2012 = 2.727 days
or
31 Mercury Years in Earth days: 31 * 87.9691 = 2.727 days
I wrote back in 2007 on October 15:
Monday October 15, 2007
Last week when somebody asked me about The Tunguska event and I had to think about Deep Impact on Temple I instantly. When I calculated the Phi point ( Golden Mean) I saw that it should be somewhere during WWII but not Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, because I didn't recognize the Hirhoshima/Nagasaki - Deep impact timeframe as such. As this has everything to do with consciousness, I expected that the nuclear theme would pop up somehow, probably with nuclear testing or decission making. That's what I thought just before I came to know about the exact date of the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact.
I have to emphasize that I almost fell out of my chair when I noticed that this Phi point coincided with the approval by the US President to use nuclear bombs!!! ( which actually happened some days later).
I think we really have to let go our linear perspective of time and our rigid perception of causality.
We have to deal with these carmic issues indeed, but it would be a very bad idea for someone to decide to misuse nuclear power again. very bad for our destiny
As posted above, we have seen this Pi expression by spacecraft Deep Impact with the Deep Impact/Epoxi - Earth - Moon Transit and the 2 comet encounters, of which an actual Impact on comet Temple I
By synchronicity I had to think about the Tunguska event.
There are 2 Pi points between the Tunguska event and the impact on comet Temple I, similar as described in a previous post .
Both Pi points show Venus at the same orbital position , the very same orbital position Venus will reach during the end of the Mayan Calendar.!
Tunguska....Deep Impact......end of Mayan calendar...Planets
I think we really have to let go our linear perspective of time and our rigid perception of causality.
This means that Tunguska has happened in the past in our perspective of time, but that in fact Tunguska was an Intelligently Designed event because of the impact on comet Temple I and because we used nuclear weapons.
This doesn't mean we will experience a Tunguska-like event on December 21, 2012.
It does mean that we shouldn't mess with space and nuclear weapons, as I have said numerous times.
Much will depend on how we will deal with the carmic issues that are coming up.
We can be taken out in a wink with a similar Solar flare as posted above, a Tunguska-like event or even a Gamma burst the kind like the one happened at the end of the 9/11 Phi- spiral, but closer at home.
It doesn't have to be that way but we have to understand our responsibilities.

[Paul]

...As posted above, we have seen this Pi expression by spacecraft Deep Impact with the Deep Impact/Epoxi - Earth - Moon Transit and the 2 comet encounters...No we haven't, it's only 3 posts above.

[Dutch]

Psychic Peter van der Hurk expects assaults on Peter R. de Vries and Geert Wilders, as published in a Dutch newspaper the other day:
zo 28 dec 2008, 19:23 'In 2009 aanslag op Peter R. de Vries!'
http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/2881449/___In_2009_aanslag_op_Peter_R._de_Vries____.html?p =27,2
I posted after I read this:
had to think of 911 and Fortuyn - Van Gogh....
Assassination of Fortuyn +911 days = assassination of Van Gogh
+ 911 days gives May 2, 2007
from the timeline first half 2007:
May 2, 2007 - Golden Mean Phi based 'Srebrenica karma'. Washington.link.
3 Mars years in Earth days since 9/11, 3 Mars years in earth days prior to the end of the Mayan Calender
from Goro: Mayan Contact Midpoint, see update below.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali threathened in the US, heavy security/protection needed
Press review: 'Fall of the sun king'
http://www.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/05/02/browne.press/index.html
Obama placed under Secret Service protection
http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)rotection/index.html
Melkert, Volkert, Wolfowitz, analysis will follow
note that this 'Srebrenica' karma was linked to the monitored 911 based Phi spiral in 'Dutch society', which expired in November 2008.
the 911 based 'control' pattern is still ongoing, coinciding with the spiral on May 2, 2007 and giving a new key date around October 29, 2009
also note that Geert Wilders was also linked to this spiral
I expected a 'confirmation' in relation to Peter R. de Vries and Cor van Hout. I have posted related issues about this back in 2005 already and I thought this stuf wasn't online anymore. Just recently I found it again on a forum and I reposted it on HDDesign forum.
the 'confirmation':
around October 29, 2009 Venus will be at the same orbital position again as during the assassination of Cor van Hout!
11 Venus Years in Earth days
assassination of Cor van Hout: January 24, 2003
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cor_van_Hout
11 * 224.68 = 2.471 days later:
October 30, 2009
related thread, with info from 2005, triggerdates and backgrounds:
Natalee Holloway - Peter R. de Vries
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about327-hddesign.html
Today I have posted this:
Peter R. de Vries has been molested today ( saturday 24 januari 2009) by ( ex) criminal Steve Brown:
Peter R. de Vries aangevallen in auto
AMSTERDAM - Tv-programmamaker Peter R. de Vries is zaterdag gewond geraakt toen hij in zijn auto werd aangevallen door Steve Brown, een voormalig drugshandelaar met wie hij al jaren overhoop ligt. De Vries heeft dat zaterdag laten weten.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3082682/__Peter_R._de_Vries_aangevallen_in_auto__.html?p=1 ,1
This was the second time Steve Brown and Peter de Vries had a fight.
On June 21, 2007 Brown kicked Peter at the melkweg in Amsterdam, there's a video available online
June 21 +/- 1 day has been mentioned here in this thread:
On or around 22 June 2005 it is 911 days ago since the assassination attack on XXXXX. With this information in your mind it can be that if indeed something would happen the impact would be low because of the fact that you are informed and aware of the underlying patterns and symbolism"
Earth at same orbital position
also:
Mercury 'The Messenger' is at the same orbital position on January 24, 2009 ( second attack) as during the 911 based starttriggerdate of June 21, 2007, the day of the first attack.
June 21, 2007
here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRojOvpQL68
OMG!
this whole thread (at HDDesign forum) is initially based on the assassination of Heineken kidnapper Cor van Hout and the correlations with Peter R de Vries
Peter was assaulted by Steve Brown last Saturday on January 24, 2009

COR VAN HOUT WAS ASSASSINATED ON JANUARY 24, 2003 !!!!!!
it can be that if indeed something would happen the impact would be low because of the fact that you are informed and aware of the underlying patterns and symbolism
That's the difference between an assassination or a kick on your ass...
Cor van Hout was assassinated on January 24, 2003 in Amstelveen after a visit to a chinese restaurant. A friend of him who stood next to him was shot too and died a few days later. Prior to his death there have been 2 other assassination attempts:
On March 27, 1996 Cor was shot in his car. When he arrived at his house, his son wanted to listen to a song on the radio so they didn't get out of the car. The killer hestitated but decided to shoot Cor while he was still in the car. Cor was hit several times but he survived.
The second attempt was on December 21, 2000. Somebody tried to shoot Cor and his body guard with a longdistance riffle, but he missed.
During the second attempt Mercury 'The Messenger' was at the same orbital position as during the awakenings starttriggerdate of the first attempt, while Mercury 'The Messenger' was during the final assassination at the same orbital position as during the 911 based control endtriggerdate of the first attempt
So all 3 events are connected by Mercury based on the HDdesign triggerdate system.

[Dutch]

I believe that we are multi-dimensional beings. Our 3 dimensional reality is an Intelligently Designed environment in which our consciousness can express itself. We are individualized ‘consciousness units’ , not separable from the whole or our divine source. We are here for our spiritual development, to break down our ego and finally to loose ourselves in divinity.
Evidence for a multidimensional existence can be found by identifications of Intelligent Design in our reality and Hyperdimensional Physics is the key to increase our understanding of the design.
When we increase our spiritual development we can be able to understand the underlying nature of our existence, we can enjoy the beauty of creation and we can look through the dualistic nature of our 3 dimensional reality. We really are co-creators and when we experience that 3 dimensional reality we are experiencing ourselves. We cannot be separated from the whole.
We learn and develop ourselves by the events that occur in our reality. Life is like a riddle, we have to understand what’s happening and why and how we are responsible for it, because we are. But how can we learn? What must happen to open our eyes, to awaken us?
Most people think that life is a struggle between ‘good and evil’ and that’s exactly what organized religion is telling us. But who determines what is ‘good’ or ‘evil’? The 9/11 attacks are considered an evil event but it could be seen as an opportunity for growth too. For me 9/11 was an eye opener and it really is a key event in the understanding of the underlying Intelligent Design of our reality.
I don’t think 9/11 was planned by a mastermind nor do I believe it is a big conspiracy. We are looking at our own ‘dark’ side bleeding through in our reality, our collective consciousness made it possible.
And we can learn from it so we can develop ourselves. Do we really need another 9/11 event to open our eyes? Do we really have to be nuked to awaken ourselves or can we learn by more subtle events?
In relation to possible 9/11 patterns I don't believe that events fitting these patterns are consciously planned by some. I think we have to consider the possibility that these patterns are designed at another dimensional level and 'bleeds' through in our reality. In other words as an example: the group of people behind the Madrid blasts could be unaware of the fact that their action is made possible at that specific time due to intelligent design at another dimensional level. We co-create our reality together and I have strong doubts about blaming the so called PTB for every 'evil' action in our reality.
We might be more responsible than we are ready to believe, when we increase our understanding than we can be able to learn at a more subtle level. To lessen the effects of the ‘dark’side of our existence so to speak, so our reality could become lovebased instead of fear based, service to others instead of services to self.
about HDDesign 'research':
the triggerpatterns I use are indeed based on math, but the events on the triggerpatterns that I mention are always posted PRIOR to the monitored anticipated events date. It's easy to find correlations after a fact by using numerology, the issue here is : are we able to determine underlying patterns with related events, so we can anticipate on future events in order to lessen the impact of undesired effects in our reality. so we can learn on a more subtle level, instead of just another 9/11 related event to wake us up.
Don't forget the intuition too. I have experienced almost daily that while working with this kind of info, an initial thought or coincidence shows me the way to new related information.
I have had so much 'in the face' moments during the last 6 years that I know that these patterns are there. But it's a journey, I can't convince anyone. I can only promise one thing: If someone decides to investigate this seriously and really starts to put aside the rational ego and keeps an open mind, than synchronity will become apparent and coincidences start to become meaningfull. Don't expect scientific proof, we don't have the time to wait for that
Now this is not about predicting future events.
It isn't about stopping patterns , it isn't about just trying to alter them. It's about changing the 'energy' involved.
Kind a 'Heisenberg princible' at macro level, with positive energy (love) as driving force.
If enough people are aware, the effects could be lessened, so we can learn on a more subtle level.
The greater the awareness, the more subtle reality becomes.
I don’t want to avoid things to happen, I just want to understand the reality we live in.
I have had a hard time too, accepting the possibility that our reality could be based on ‘designed patterns ‘bleeding’ through from other dimensional realms.
I’m not just playing with numbers, I’m a trying to apply Hyper Dimensional Physics in our understanding of our 3 dimensional reality. How HD Physics could become visible in our reality, not only visibly as Earthchanges on Hyperdimensional spots and throughout the solar system, but also in our perceptive of time. The Golden Mean time spirals are there to give essential meaning to at first sight unrelated events in our reality. It’s very ancient knowledge too, just waiting out there to be rediscovered.
Without 9/11 I wouldn’t have understood as much of our reality as I do today. 9/11 really was an ‘eye opener’ to me and showed the way to a 911 based design in our reality.
So 9/11 also gives opportunity for growth, it just depends how we deal with it.
I don’t really want to know the exact future, I just want to understand what’s really happening, to give opportunity for spiritual growth.
I have never been into numerology that much, I was more interested in Hyper Dimensional Physics. I noticed that I saw 11:11 very often on the clock. At work, in the car during the weekend, on the microwave etc. That time on the clock seemed to ask my attention. I sleuthed on the net, read about the number 555 and had that initial thought to look back and forward for 555 days to see what happened on these days and if there could be a relation to the event-date in the middle. That's how the 1111 days timeframe became important to me, Begin trigger at the start of 555 days- monitored events day - endtrigger on the last day of 555 days (555+1+555 = 1111). I called this 1111 days timeframe around a monitored event day the 'awakenings' timeframe.
For me it appeared that on these triggerdates indeed things happened that could be related to the monitored events day. Because the end trigger date is a future date, you might think it isn't usefull, but it is. You have to look at the triggerdates as if it was a 'birthsday' once, so you have to look at the historical events of the triggerdate.
Ofcourse alot has happened on a specific date through the years but while looking at historical events some seems to 'resonate' more to the monitored event date. It seems as if at a certain level, our consciousness is able to 'detect' the related events on the underlying patterns.
That's not just me, it works for everyone, but you have to do it yourself.
My wife is a 'sensitive' ( all females in her family line, looking forward to see my daughter grow up, now 3.5) and one night she had a very clear dream. I won't post it here but it is available at HDDesign forum, but anyhow, in the dream the number 33:33 showed up. I decided to apply the same system as to the awakenings timeframe, creating a 1666 - eventsday - 1666 days is 3333 days timeframe which I called 'Ascension' timeframe, because this frame seems to give more 'deeper' meaning to the related events on the pattern.
Just recently I started to look at 5555 windows too, but I don't have a name for that timeframe because it's not yet clear what it gives.
The next step was 911 of course, creating a 911-events day- 911 = 1823 days time frame which I called the 'Control' timeframe for obvious reasons.
The same thing with 747. I started to see that number everywhere but I didn't know what to do with it.The number adds up to 18 (=6+6+6) and in time ( 7 = 19 ) 19:47 correlates with the HyperDimensional Tetrahedron keynumber 19,47.
Well, I thought if it is a hyperdimensional reference number, than anything is possible, so I decided to research 747 airplane incidents.
Believe it or not, but eventually that lead me to an early discovery of emerging patterns related to the exit of Pope JP II. From last summer on, I've been anticipating on the situation around the situation of JP II and it appeared that important developments happened on the anticipated key dates on the patterns. ( info available on TF). The same thing with the exit of Arafat ( also available).
The overall design that I try to describe in the 'breaking the code' thread is based on the combination of my findfings and is in fact very simple. No difficult numerology, just some key numbers and the underlying design becomes visible.
Sometimes it seems to me that the initial thought comes at the right time, such as the 747 airplane incidents. Without that initial thought I wouldn't have discovered the underlying patterns.
Most important thing is, at least that's what I think, is that we start to understand that our reality could be build on underlying patterns just underneath the surface, rather than wanting to know what the future has exactly in store for us.
As long as I'm present in this 3D reality with available internet this HDDesign research will continue . There will be no specific point to make, this is about indications of intelligent influences on our reality apparently originating from outside our familiar 3D reality. That's an ongoing research which will develop.
I'm not making exact predictions, I am trying to identify themes on emerging timecoded patterns which will materialize in our reality, carmic issues we have to deal with at specific moments in time.
As everybody can see there's alot of ' dark expression of consciousness ' in our reality, but as it seems to me what the described design indicates, these expressions are able to unveil the hidden encoded intelligent design in our reality too. If we start to get involved, we can start to understand and as a result our commitment could change the energy involved when these carmic themes are expressed in our reality.
My purpose isn't to make predictions, I want to get people involved and committed so the energy could be changed. from service to self to service to others, love based instead of fear based if you prefer to look at is this way.
When I see a 'dark' event emerging on the patterns, than it's not my goal to exactly predict such an event, but to try to change the energy involved. That's driving me, that's why I post so much on several forums, besides the ongoing research and the every day things I have to do aswel. I have a normal job to do and I'm taking care of my family with little kids too, but I am aware of the significance of the findings my 'research' provides.
I think that there are very significant developments coming up in our reality especially in the Middle East, with the Hariri killing as initial trigger. The anticipations I have done have shown indeed anticipated developments so far and these anticipations will continue. Besides the Syria situation, there's also a possibble US-Korea and/or China-Taiwain(USA) conflict on the emerging timecoded patterns, closely related to the identified Hyper Dimensional dates and other elements of described Design ( especilally the 322 Golden Mean Phi spiral as explained in the material ).
Most important themes that seem to pop up regularly in the material are;
" stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power ". The described Design implies an carmic echo putting the Hirhoshima-Nagasaki theme in our current timeframe. We have no idea what we are doing when a nuclear device is detonated, what kind of influence will it have on other dimensional realms?
There are specific moments in time ahead that such an detonation seems to be a possibility and I will do what ever I can to change the energy involved on these moments in time in order to lessen the impact of such an event in our reality.
I don't believe the elite is manipulating our reality, it's a consciousness thing.
When Bush chokes on a pretzil, the Pope dies or the bird flu breaks out, than these events are hitting specific moments in time that can be identified and understood as part of intelligently linked events in our reality
It ALWAYS takes 911 days to connect 2 dots of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron, no matter what orientation you take. A good example for instance, documentated in the HDDesign material, is the 911 based HD Tetrahedron in the Netherlands society, marked by the killings of Fortuyn and van Gogh, Golden Mean Phi based spiralling inwards giving related expressions in the Netherlands society. The orientation of this HD Tetrahedron is NOT orientated at the highest macrolevel, because Netherlands is of course not playing the major role at macrolevel. 9/11 however was an 'in the face' event , because it happened on a HD Tetrahedron point with exactly the same orientation as we all agreed on to use our calculation of days: 9/11 matched the 19.47 degrees intersection of our orbit, based on the calender we agreed to use.
If we look at the Chinese society, we probably find major events on the HD Tetrahedron intersection areas based on the Chinese calendar, but only if these event have a major impact for all people
But what is the relationship of these events and signifiers or whatever to our conciousness? How can it be about human conciousness when not even you are able to explain what the significance actually IS?
If you do take the time to seriously investigate this HDDesign material, you will certainly find indications to what this is actually about, even on the deepest levels. What I am trying to do is to show the indications so everybody can make up his or her's own mind. Its not my objective just to tell, I think people should find out themselves. I think we have had enough of being told, its time to find out ourselves, for our own development and to the benefit of all.
There are specific themes we have to deal with at specific moments in our perspective of time, but the 'magnitude' reality comes through depends on our state of ( collective, at macro level) consciusness).
The elements of Design I have identified enables me to identify future themes that will get expression on the timecoded patterns ahead.
The first initial intuitive thought to calculate a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron, as main Platonic Solid geometric 'shape', was the start of what I'm doing and to see it coinciding with 9/11 was an eye opening experience. Everything that spinned off from then on is loaded with logical connectedness based on the same extended geometry.
This geometry is NOT effecting, it is reflecting. As is our multi-dimensional consciousness is mirrorred in the HDDesign that can be undewrstood rationally, at least if you try. This geometry is significant because it is based on ancient sacred geometry and it even enables to even give expectations for our future, that's the reason why I started to use the timelines. If you look at the timelines, each posted expectattion could be dismissed as a coincidence or cherry picking, but I do this continuesly and I will go on with it.
HDdesign shows that you can't commit genocide without being held responsible, it shows that you will have to deal with the carmic issues once you decide to use nuclear weapons, HDdesign shows the signifigance of ancient knowledge coming relevat again in our times.
I can elaborate but I prefer that you make uo your own mind, this isn't a story that has to be told only. There are answers in the HDDesign already, just try to find out a bit
These expressions at macro level reflect who we are and where we stand. It has nothing to do with conspiracy, at least not directly, or with manipulation, at least not directly, but as expression of the underlying themes in a way that our collective consciousness is reflected. Unfortunately it seems that we aren't able to understand our reality at a more subtle level, that's why all these 'dark expressions of consciousness' are materializing baring the fingerprints of the hidden underlying Design.
11:11 is the major 'awakenings' prompt that makes us aware that our consciousness isn't limited to our individual existence in our familiar 3D reality. Consciousness exist outside of what we consider to be self, but that doesn't mean we aren't part of it. The 11:11 prompts are showing us that there's much more than we can comprehend about the real nature of our existence. Its communication taking place.
Wether these prompts originate from other parts of 'self' or if one prefer to see these as expressions of contact with Angels or something like that, isn't really important. Most important thing is that we are part of it and that we trully are connected to other dimensional realms in which we co-exist, as part of All.
I cannot emphasize enough that our own existence is just as equally contributing to our reality as any other expression of 'consciousness units' so to speak. We are responsible for how our reality is expressed and we can take the opportunities that are given to develop ourselves.
The events at macrolevel are happening to awaken us, they reflect the state of our collective consciousness.
1111 is also the first key to understand the harmonics in our reality. The what I have called 1111 days awakenings timeframe around a monitored events day provides related underlying themes that could materialize, as can be filtered from the triggerdate events at the start and end of the timeframe. 'Tuning' is necessarry but this 1111 days timeframe oputs events in to perspective and even enables us to understand what's coming next.
This 1111 days on Earth is no coincidence. Via the Golden Mean Phi this timeframe on earth is linked to other inner planets in our solarsystem, like Phi-based inspiralling with Mars and Phi based outspiralling with Venus. 1111 is the first step in our understanding of the harmonics in our solarsystem, as 3D expression of a Hyper Dimensional system.
I think that these 'dark expressions' happen for a reason. They unveil the hidden underlying design and this Design shows us that carmic reactions can be expected as a result of what we do or even think in our reality.
The design is stronger than any conspiracy
When milosevic died alone in his prison, the moment was pre-determined by the HDDesign as directly linked to the Srebrenica massacre. There are numerous examples in the material.
I think that if one would understand a little bit of the underlying Design in our reality and how everything is connected, and that what we do or think comes back at us as a boomerang, than we start to understand that we have to change ourselves to better our reality. If you really understand it, you will never be able to commit an act of evil again.
I think we should take our own responsibility. 9/11 for instance was a terrible event, but it gives opportunities too. Its a choice we have to make, are we going to try to understand it and are we willing to face our own 'dark sides of consciousness' or are we continuing to dismiss all these terrible events in our reality as none of our business? We are co-responsible and we do need to be committed. It will help if we start to understand that we ourselves are somehow connected to all that happens and that we can change ourselves to change the reality we live in.

[Paul]

Finally, after all this time, why couldn't you just say 'goddidit' two years ago?

[Blue Mountain]

(Initial stuff snipped. There's not really much there I can comment on, since I'm not into philosophj.)

about HDDesign 'research':

the triggerpatterns I use are indeed based on math, but the events on the triggerpatterns that I mention are always posted PRIOR to the monitored anticipated events date. It's easy to find correlations after a fact by using numerology, the issue here is : are we able to determine underlying patterns with related events, so we can anticipate on future events in order to lessen the impact of undesired effects in our reality. so we can learn on a more subtle level, instead of just another 9/11 related event to wake us up.
The problem with all the stuff you've posted here is there does not appear to be ANY underlying pattern. Recall that the human mind is really good at searching for and finding patterns. Even were no patterns exist.

Don't forget the intuition too. I have experienced almost daily that while working with this kind of info, an initial thought or coincidence shows me the way to new related information.

I have had so much 'in the face' moments during the last 6 years that I know that these patterns are there. But it's a journey, I can't convince anyone. I can only promise one thing: If someone decides to investigate this seriously and really starts to put aside the rational ego and keeps an open mind, than synchronity will become apparent and coincidences start to become meaningfull. Don't expect scientific proof, we don't have the time to wait for that.
If there is a pattern, you should be able to express it mathematically. And once it can be expressed mathematically, that formula should be applicable to the present and used to predict what will happen in the future.

Now this is not about predicting future events.
:boggled:

It isn't about stopping patterns , it isn't about just trying to alter them. It's about changing the 'energy' involved.
Kind a 'Heisenberg princible' at macro level, with positive energy (love) as driving force.
I don't think you understand what energy is. There is no evidence for love being a form of energy. No more than qi. We can't put an instrument on it and measure it, nor can we derive equations for it and use them to predict what will happen next.

(snip)

I’m not just playing with numbers, I’m a trying to apply Hyper Dimensional Physics in our understanding of our 3 dimensional reality.
I do not think you have any understanding of physics.

How HD Physics could become visible in our reality, not only visibly as Earthchanges on Hyperdimensional spots and throughout the solar system, but also in our perceptive of time. The Golden Mean time spirals are there to give essential meaning to at first sight unrelated events in our reality. It’s very ancient knowledge too, just waiting out there to be rediscovered.
Ancient knowledge like the sun goes around the earth, which is held up by Atlas (or by turtles)? That disease is caused by imbalances in our humours? That thunderstorms are the result of gods having an argument or indigestion? No thanks.

(snip)

I have never been into numerology that much, I was more interested in Hyper Dimensional Physics. I noticed that I saw 11:11 very often on the clock. At work, in the car during the weekend, on the microwave etc. That time on the clock seemed to ask my attention.
You also saw 8:26, 10:42, 3:19, and 5:47 a lot, but you don't remember them. That's confirmation bias.

I sleuthed on the net, read about the number 555 and had that initial thought to look back and forward for 555 days to see what happened on these days and if there could be a relation to the event-date in the middle. That's how the 1111 days timeframe became important to me, Begin trigger at the start of 555 days- monitored events day - endtrigger on the last day of 555 days (555+1+555 = 1111). I called this 1111 days timeframe around a monitored event day the 'awakenings' timeframe.
Pure numerology. You had to add 1 to your 555+555 to get it to 1111, which you consider to be important. Why not subtract 1 and go with 1109 instead? Because it's not a cute number?

(snip)

That's not just me, it works for everyone, but you have to do it yourself.
My wife is a 'sensitive' ( all females in her family line, looking forward to see my daughter grow up, now 3.5) and one night she had a very clear dream. I won't post it here but it is available at HDDesign forum, but anyhow, in the dream the number 33:33 showed up. I decided to apply the same system as to the awakenings timeframe, creating a 1666 - eventsday - 1666 days is 3333 days timeframe which I called 'Ascension' timeframe, because this frame seems to give more 'deeper' meaning to the related events on the pattern.
Just recently I started to look at 5555 windows too, but I don't have a name for that timeframe because it's not yet clear what it gives.
The next step was 911 of course, creating a 911-events day- 911 = 1823 days time frame which I called the 'Control' timeframe for obvious reasons.
The same thing with 747. I started to see that number everywhere but I didn't know what to do with it.The number adds up to 18 (=6+6+6) and in time ( 7 = 19 ) 19:47 correlates with the HyperDimensional Tetrahedron keynumber 19,47.
Well, I thought if it is a hyperdimensional reference number, than anything is possible, so I decided to research 747 airplane incidents.
Why are you not doing research on 42 (Douglas Adams' number for Life, the Universe, and Everything)? That sounds like a pretty important number.

Also 337. It keeps popping up in my life, so it must be significant.

(snip)

My purpose isn't to make predictions, I want to get people involved and committed so the energy could be changed. from service to self to service to others, love based instead of fear based if you prefer to look at is this way.
There you go with the 'energy' again.

What's your definition of energy?

When I see a 'dark' event emerging on the patterns, than it's not my goal to exactly predict such an event, but to try to change the energy involved. That's driving me, that's why I post so much on several forums, besides the ongoing research and the every day things I have to do aswel. I have a normal job to do and I'm taking care of my family with little kids too, but I am aware of the significance of the findings my 'research' provides.
Just how do you propose to change this 'energy'? Prayer? Meditation? Yogic flying? Chanting mantras? Sacrificing chickens?

(snip)

It ALWAYS takes 911 days to connect 2 dots of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron, no matter what orientation you take. A good example for instance, documentated in the HDDesign material, is the 911 based HD Tetrahedron in the Netherlands society, marked by the killings of Fortuyn and van Gogh, Golden Mean Phi based spiralling inwards giving related expressions in the Netherlands society.
The problem is that you sometimes have to stretch or squeeze your day counts to make them fit. But that's only a minor problem. A major one is there are lots and lots of very significant events on this big old planet that do not occur exactly 911 days apart.

(snip)

If you do take the time to seriously investigate this HDDesign material, you will certainly find indications to what this is actually about, even on the deepest levels. What I am trying to do is to show the indications so everybody can make up his or her own mind. Its not my objective just to tell, I think people should find out themselves. I think we have had enough of being told, its time to find out ourselves, for our own development and to the benefit of all.
We have looked. There's nothing there. The box has a very impressive looking exterior, but it's empty.

(snip)

HDdesign shows that you can't commit genocide without being held responsible, it shows that you will have to deal with the carmic issues once you decide to use nuclear weapons
No, you can't commit genocide in the latter half of the twentieth century without having the world holding you to account for it, thanks to advances in international law.

As for nuclear power, ask the French about what bad karma they're getting from their nuclear plants. Or NASA about the amazing RTGs they have on some of their most intrepid spacecraft.

HDdesign shows the signifigance of ancient knowledge coming relevat again in our times.
Such as?

(snip)

This 1111 days on Earth is no coincidence. Via the Golden Mean Phi this timeframe on earth is linked to other inner planets in our solarsystem, like Phi-based inspiralling with Mars and Phi based outspiralling with Venus. 1111 is the first step in our understanding of the harmonics in our solarsystem, as 3D expression of a Hyper Dimensional system.
Nonsense. I could write the same paragraph and drop in any 3- or 4-digit number. And if I chose to spend six years of my spare time on it, I could come up with any number of amazing correlations on that number.

(snip)

When milosevic died alone in his prison, the moment was pre-determined by the HDDesign as directly linked to the Srebrenica massacre. There are numerous examples in the material.
Milosevic was in prison because European authorities were determined to call him to account. What about the Turkish authorities who masterminded the Armenian genocide? Or Stalin, who died very comfortably after killing millions of Ukrainians in an orchestrated famine?

(snip)

I think we should take our own responsibility. 9/11 for instance was a terrible event, but it gives opportunities too. Its a choice we have to make, are we going to try to understand it and are we willing to face our own 'dark sides of consciousness' or are we continuing to dismiss all these terrible events in our reality as none of our business? We are co-responsible and we do need to be committed. It will help if we start to understand that we ourselves are somehow connected to all that happens and that we can change ourselves to change the reality we live in.
Your ideas about people taking some measure of responsibility for the world at large are laudable. But how will playing parlour games help?

[Dutch]

Finally, after all this time, why couldn't you just say 'goddidit' two years ago?

This has been posted years ago already, I can't help it you don't read the material.

Who's God?

WE are doing this

[Dutch]

I can't respond to you like this Blue, with all these splits. I posted it as somesort of overview how I look at it. Use single posts please

[Paul]

This has been posted years ago already, I can't help it you don't read the material.

Who's God?

WE are doing thisSo you did say goddidit, but you don't know who god is and it's not god doing it?

Have you heard of cognitive dissonance?

[Dutch]

I have never said God did it. period.

I meant that what I said above, I've already said years ago, and posted

[Paul]

I have never said God did it. period.

I meant that what I said above, I've already said years ago, and posted


Our 3 dimensional reality is an Intelligently Designed environment... ...our divine source. We are here for our spiritual development, to break down our ego and finally to loose ourselves in divinity... ...identifications of Intelligent Design in our reality... ...our spiritual development... ...made possible at that specific time due to intelligent design at another dimensional level... ...indications of intelligent influences on our reality... ...hidden encoded intelligent designbolding mine

Which part of your own words don't you understand?

[Dutch]

not in a sense like 'godditit' so WE don't do it. The underlying Design is Intelligent indeed, you are messing it up with the 'Intelligent Design' movement, which is something completely different and I don't want this to be seen part of that movement. I have made clear numerous times that WE are responsible for what happens in our reality.

We cannot be seen seperate from the 'source'. you may call that God, but we are part of it and we are responsible for what happens so don't put this responsibility in the hans of a God outside ourselves


Which part of your own words don't you understand?


since when do you understand my words?

[Blue Mountain]

Hi Dutch,

I can't respond to you like this Blue, with all these splits. I posted it as somesort of overview how I look at it. Use single posts please

I will summarize, then. There is nothing new here, really; the points I'll be making in this post and the five following have all been made previously.

On patterns

The problem with all the stuff you've posted here is there does not appear to us that there is ANY underlying pattern. Recall that the human mind is really good at searching for and finding patterns. Even were no patterns exist. The technical term whn applied to people recognizing faces where none really exist is called 'pareidolia'.

Numerology, astrology, and most of paranormal and 'alternative medicine' research all fall victim to this all-too-common human frailty, unless the studies are meticulously well-designed to eliminate our tendency toward confirmation bias,

A question for you, Dutch: Do you know what confirmation bias is, and can you explain to us why you feel you are immune from it?

[Blue Mountain]

On numerology

Your fascination with 911 and 1111 is pure numerology. You had to add 1 to your 555+555 to get it to 1111, which you consider to be important. Why not subtract 1 and go with 1109 instead? Because it's not a cute number?

Yes, people do see "11:11" on their clocks. But they also see 8:26, 10:42, 3:19, and 5:47, but they usually don't remember those. Read up on confirmation bias to understand why that is.

Why are you not doing research on 42 (Douglas Adams' number for Life, the Universe, and Everything)? That sounds like a pretty important number.

There's also 337. It keeps popping up in my life, so it must be significant.

A constant and recurring problem with your HDD is that you sometimes have to stretch or squeeze your day counts to make them fit. But that's only a minor problem ...

It ALWAYS takes 911 days to connect 2 dots of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron, no matter what orientation you take.
A major problem with this basic premise of HDD is there are lots of very significant events on this big old planet that do not occur exactly 911 days apart, and thus would fall outside the realm of HDD.

An aside: Defining a "major" or "significant" event can be tricky. To me, a "major event" is one that would be reported on the front page headline of The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, The Times of London, the Globe and Mail (Toronto, Canada), and whatever you consider to be the leading newspaper in the Netherlands. (I choose newspapers because they leave a permanent record, unlike newscasts or websites.)

A significant event is one that is mentioned but not necessarily headlined in those papers on that day.

1111 is also the first key to understand the harmonics in our reality. The what I have called 1111 days awakenings timeframe around a monitored events day provides related underlying themes that could materialize, as can be filtered from the triggerdate events at the start and end of the timeframe. 'Tuning' is necessarry but this 1111 days timeframe oputs events in to perspective and even enables us to understand what's coming next.

This 1111 days on Earth is no coincidence. Via the Golden Mean Phi this timeframe on earth is linked to other inner planets in our solarsystem, like Phi-based inspiralling with Mars and Phi based outspiralling with Venus. 1111 is the first step in our understanding of the harmonics in our solarsystem, as 3D expression of a Hyper Dimensional system.
Nonsense. I could write the same two paragraphs and using any 3- or 4-digit number. And if I chose to spend six years of my spare time on it, I could come up with any number of amazing correlations on that number.

A question for you, Dutch: Do you know what cherry-picking the data is, and can you explain to us why you feel you are immune from it?

[Blue Mountain]

On energy and physics

I don't think you understand what energy is. There is no evidence for love being a form of energy. No more than qi. We can't put an instrument on it and measure it, nor can we derive equations for it and use them to predict what will happen with this energy for a given set of inputs.

You made reference to changing energies based on what you can glean from HDD. Just how do you propose to change this 'energy'? Prayer? Meditation? Yogic flying? Chanting mantras? Sacrificing chickens?

And how will determine if your efforts at change have been successful? And even if they are successful, how will you know that it's been the efforts of the people in the HDD community (however many or few they may be) that have caused the outcome?

You use the phrase "Hyper-dimensional physics" more than once in the treatise you post in #1286. I do not think you have any understanding of physics.

A question for you, Dutch: What's your definition of energy, and can you explain to us how that jibes with the scientific definition of energy?

[Blue Mountain]

On ancient knowledge

Most ancient knowledge is crap. The ancients believed the sun goes around the earth, which itself is held up by Atlas (or by turtles)? They believed disease is caused by imbalances in our humours. They thought thunderstorms are the result of gods having an argument or indigestion. They thought slavery was normal and that women and other "non-chosen" people were inferior.

We have made so many advances in the sciences that textbooks published even as little as a hundred years ago would be useless in today's classrooms.

A question for you, Dutch: What knowledge can the ancients give us that is applicable to today's world?

[Blue Mountain]

On genocide

You can't commit genocide in the latter half of the twentieth century without having the world holding you to account for it, thanks to advances in international law. Prior to that, though, people could and did get away with it. The two most notable examples in the 20th century were the Armenian genocide by the Turks, and Stalin's mass murder to the Ukrainians by a program of induced famines.

A question for you, Dutch: Does HDD have an effect on genocides perpetrated only since the 1940s, even though both (genocide and, presumably, HDD) have been around for much longer than that?

[Dutch]

so you have prpared these and now you post them all at once? you are not going to claim my time like this. one by one please

[Blue Mountain]

On the failure of Hyper Dimensional Design

Dutch, there is no way you'll ever convince me, Paul, or Paulhoff that there is anything to HDD other than the prognostications of a self-deluded crank.

HDD is nothing but numerology coupled with inventive ways to make the numbers fit the news, or cherry-picking the news to make the numbers fit, with a large doses of post hoc ergo propter hoc and confirmation bias thrown in.

HDD fails at explaining the universe and the events of our time every bit as badly as do fundamentalist religion, the pantheons of the ancient gods, Ptolemaic astronomy, astrology, numerology, UFOlogy, paranormalism, spiritualism, Lysenkoism, creationism, the ether, N-Rays, Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision, and the expanding earth theory.

It's doomed to join all the above in the rubbish tip of unscientific paradigms, along with perpetual motion machines and the Time Cube.

[Dutch]

I see, than I will convince you in my way...

[Paul]

not in a sense like 'godditit' so WE don't do it.:confused:


The underlying Design is Intelligent indeed, you are messing it up with the 'Intelligent Design' movement, which is something completely different and I don't want this to be seen part of that movement.The you probably shoudn't have used the words 'intelligently designed, divine source, spiritual development, intelligent design and intelligent influences' in your post.


I have made clear numerous times that WE are responsible for what happens in our reality.You can't have your cake and eat it; either we did it and everything else is numerological pareidolia, or the extra-dimensional supernatural entity did it and all your unsupported hand waving is a pointless exercise in random blame mongering.


We cannot be seen seperate from the 'source'.You mean the source from another dimension that we have no direct connection with?


you may call that God, but we are part of it and we are responsible for what happens so don't put this responsibility in the hans of a God outside ourselvesIt seems that you are having considerable difficulty in understanding your own words and in following the inevitable conclusions.

[Blue Mountain]

so you have prpared these and now you post them all at once? you are not going to claim my time like this. one by one please
Dutch, I posted a big long response to your 3,400 word dump in post #1286. You complained about that and asked me to break it up. So I did, and now you're complaining about that. :boxedin:

There's nothing that says you have to respond to all my posts at once. The forum will still be here next week. Take your time.

[Dutch]

There's nothing that says you have to respond to all my posts at once. The forum will still be here next week. Take your time.


That's fair enough. You may have noticed that I spend little time posting lately, at least not as much as during the last couple of years. I have another job and I am much more busier than in the past. Also, I barely spend time online at home, my family comes first. So if a specific respons needs time to explain you will have to wait until I have the time to do so.
You also have to keep in mind that I more or less had planned to take a break from the end of november last year until the second half of march ( because I expect this will be an important timeframe), but the 'deep impact' related developments draw me back into it.

[Dutch]

On patterns

The problem with all the stuff you've posted here is there does not appear to us that there is ANY underlying pattern. Recall that the human mind is really good at searching for and finding patterns. Even were no patterns exist. The technical term whn applied to people recognizing faces where none really exist is called 'pareidolia'.

Numerology, astrology, and most of paranormal and 'alternative medicine' research all fall victim to this all-too-common human frailty, unless the studies are meticulously well-designed to eliminate our tendency toward confirmation bias,

A question for you, Dutch: Do you know what confirmation bias is, and can you explain to us why you feel you are immune from it?


Yes I know what confirmationbias is. In the way I do my 'research' it is different because I have a focus on FUTURE developments on the patterns. When you expect a health issue for the Pope on a specific date based on a pattern and when that day comes he's taken to the hospital with health problems, not only once but several times, than it has nothing to do with looking for confirmation of preconceptions. There are numerous examples in the material, the reader should be well aware of the moment of posting of these correlations. Also, the patterns or indications of Intelligent Design do pop up after an intuitive thought or synchronicity, showing its correlation at hand instantly.
If you lack the experience of noticing all these 'coincidences', than you would indeed think its al unrelated. I have said from the beginning that you can dismiss everything as just a coincidense, from a stand alone point of view. I have seen so much 'confirmations' that I know it ca't just be coincidences.

[Dutch]

On numerology

Your fascination with 911 and 1111 is pure numerology. You had to add 1 to your 555+555 to get it to 1111, which you consider to be important. Why not subtract 1 and go with 1109 instead? Because it's not a cute number?

Yes, people do see "11:11" on their clocks. But they also see 8:26, 10:42, 3:19, and 5:47, but they usually don't remember those. Read up on confirmation bias to understand why that is.

Why are you not doing research on 42 (Douglas Adams' number for Life, the Universe, and Everything)? That sounds like a pretty important number.

There's also 337. It keeps popping up in my life, so it must be significant.

A constant and recurring problem with your HDD is that you sometimes have to stretch or squeeze your day counts to make them fit. But that's only a minor problem ...


As said before, 911 ( +/- 1 day as always) is the number of Earthdays that connect 2 dots of a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron linked to Earth's orbit.
Do a google search on 1111 or 11:11 and you will notice that alot of people have something with this. What's new in HDDesign that I look at this as a 1111 dyas timeframe on Earth, with the monitored events day in the middle of this timeframe. The start and end day of this timeframe are considered to be 'triggerdates' in the HDDesign 'research'.

I use a +/- 1 day timeframe, but that's probably way to rigid as explained before in this thread several times

edit: 1109 days on Earth don't connect the same orbital positions of Mars and Venus via Phi , 1111 does

[Dutch]

A major problem with this basic premise of HDD is there are lots of very significant events on this big old planet that do not occur exactly 911 days apart, and thus would fall outside the realm of HDD.


This 911 days timeframe is just 1 single element of HDDesign. 9/11 and the Madrid bombings happened to unveil this hidden underlying Design in our reality.

[Dutch]

Nonsense. I could write the same two paragraphs and using any 3- or 4-digit number. And if I chose to spend six years of my spare time on it, I could come up with any number of amazing correlations on that number.

A question for you, Dutch: Do you know what cherry-picking the data is, and can you explain to us why you feel you are immune from it?

Really? a Mars year in Earthdays multiplied with Phi gives the 1111 days timeframe, multiply again and you get the same orbital positions for Venus.

So find yourselves a digit number and have fun. Don't forget to check if your number seems to mean anything for our consciousness like 1111. a gogle search with your number will do

[Dutch]

Do you know what cherry-picking the data is, and can you explain to us why you feel you are immune from it?

because this is dealing with future events.

to look endlesly for correlations after a fact, just as long as it takes to find something that fits would be cherry picking. You disregard the timimg of the postings and the 'instant' correlations that pop up after the initial intuitive thought or synchronicity

[Dutch]

On energy and physics

I don't think you understand what energy is. There is no evidence for love being a form of energy. No more than qi. We can't put an instrument on it and measure it, nor can we derive equations for it and use them to predict what will happen with this energy for a given set of inputs.

You made reference to changing energies based on what you can glean from HDD. Just how do you propose to change this 'energy'? Prayer? Meditation? Yogic flying? Chanting mantras? Sacrificing chickens?

And how will determine if your efforts at change have been successful? And even if they are successful, how will you know that it's been the efforts of the people in the HDD community (however many or few they may be) that have caused the outcome?

You use the phrase "Hyper-dimensional physics" more than once in the treatise you post in #1286. I do not think you have any understanding of physics.

A question for you, Dutch: What's your definition of energy, and can you explain to us how that jibes with the scientific definition of energy?

Because it seems to me that especially these 'dark expressions' of consciousness are materializing on these patterns that according to the HDDesign research could be known. You should ask yourselves the question why that seem to be the case. Knowledge about these patterns will increase our understanding of our reality and why things are happenening and how we are responsible. I think increasing the knowledge of these concepts and being a lovebased peron are going hand in hand.

Personally, I think everything we think or do will make a difference.Even you thinking about it makes a difference. If it is successful remains to be seen, I don't think we can really know during opur lifetimes here.

I talk about applying Hyper Dimensional Physics. With that I mean applying the the geometrical correlations in our reality as described by HD physics.

I don't see what my understanding of physiscs has to do with it, as long as it isn't absolutely impossible what i'm saying, based on proved physics.

[Dutch]

What's your definition of energy


Well, I stick with the scientific explanation. I used it here as a metaphor in realtion to the intent we have by creating our reality, an interdimensional 'force'.

[Dutch]

What knowledge can the ancients give us that is applicable to today's world?

we can learn from the rise and especially the fall of ancient civilizations.

Also, if HDDesign is indeed valid we should look at the ancient myths from a completely different perspective

[Dutch]

On genocide

You can't commit genocide in the latter half of the twentieth century without having the world holding you to account for it, thanks to advances in international law. Prior to that, though, people could and did get away with it. The two most notable examples in the 20th century were the Armenian genocide by the Turks, and Stalin's mass murder to the Ukrainians by a program of induced famines.

A question for you, Dutch: Does HDD have an effect on genocides perpetrated only since the 1940s, even though both (genocide and, presumably, HDD) have been around for much longer than that?

Arkan and Milosevic didn't die because of international law, nor did Pim Fortuyn or Theo van Gogh or the Dutch peacekeeping soldiers that were killed by friendly fire. These genocides continue because we care less about our own responsibilities.
'Srebrenica' isn't done yet, we will still have to see the carmic expressions with those ( politically) responsible for the massacre.

[Dutch]

It's doomed to join all the above in the rubbish tip of unscientific paradigms


I don't think so, w'll see


Paul, I do not respond to posts that split-up my words, another reply on these splits will drag things out of context. Make your point in a seperate post please

[Paul]

Paul, I do not respond to posts that split-up my words, another reply on these splits will drag things out of context. Make your point in a seperate post pleaseOK, apologies to the others - both of you - but it won't do to have any excuses for not addressing the issues:


The underlying Design is Intelligent indeed, you are messing it up with the 'Intelligent Design' movement, which is something completely different and I don't want this to be seen part of that movement.Then you probably shoudn't have used the words 'intelligently designed, divine source, spiritual development, intelligent design and intelligent influences' in your post.

[Paul]

I have made clear numerous times that WE are responsible for what happens in our reality.
You can't have your cake and eat it; either we did it and everything else is numerological pareidolia, or the extra-dimensional supernatural entity did it and all your unsupported hand waving is a pointless exercise in random blame mongering.

[Paul]

We cannot be seen seperate from the 'source'.
You mean the source from another dimension that we have no direct connection with?

[Paul]

you may call that God, but we are part of it and we are responsible for what happens so don't put this responsibility in the hans of a God outside ourselves
It seems that you are having considerable difficulty in understanding your own words and in following the inevitable conclusions.




There, is that better?

Are you going to respond properly now?

[Dutch]

You can't have your cake and eat it; either we did it and everything else is numerological pareidolia, or the extra-dimensional supernatural entity did it and all your unsupported hand waving is a pointless exercise in random blame mongering.

I thought you would understand by now that I think that WE are extra- or multiple supernatural entities. What we experience as 'self' in this 3D dimension is only a limited expression of our multidimensional potential.

To try to understand reality from this limited 3D perspective only is a death end.

so it is both

[Dutch]

You mean the source from another dimension that we have no direct connection with?

No, I mean our very own consciousness that also exists outside the limited 3D reality that we live in. call it collective consciousness if you like, but I don't think there's a seperate god outside our own ( collective ) consciousness.

[Dutch]

It seems that you are having considerable difficulty in understanding your own words and in following the inevitable conclusions.




There, is that better?

Are you going to respond properly now?

I don't think I have a problem understanding myself, that would be ridiculous isn't it?

You may have a problem with what I mean with the word that I use.

I can understand that, but it is difficult stuff sometimes, mind boggling even. But if you read my words in the context of my 'research' and the content of the HDDesign material it should become clear eventually.

[Paul]

You may have a problem with what I mean with the word that I use.Then you should use words that actually mean what you want them to mean.


I can understand that, but it is difficult stuff sometimes, mind boggling even. But if you read my words in the context of my 'research' and the content of the HDDesign material it should become clear eventually.Ah, I think I see; we shouldn't read what you actually write, but what you think you have written using your own meanings of common terms and your own unexplained concepts.

[Paul]

I thought you would understand by now that I think that WE are extra- or multiple supernatural entities. How can you expect us to understand anything you say when the explanation changes every time you are challenged on a concept?

[Paul]

I feel I should issue another apology, what I meant to say above, of course, was that 'you can't eat your cake and have it', Dutch is constantly having his cake and eating it.


Sorry about that.


I shall now take myself off for a good flogging, and then some light punishment.

:zzw:

[Dutch]

How can you expect us to understand anything you say when the explanation changes every time you are challenged on a concept?

This has been the same since 2003 when I first posted about it, so I guess you just don't do your homework

[Paul]

This has been the same since 2003 when I first posted about it, so I guess you just don't do your homeworkIf that were true, your initial post would mention intelligent design and divinity and your current posts wouldn't keep avoiding geometry and physics to harp on about consciousness and other conveniently vague ideas.

[The Man]

I thought you would understand by now that I think that WE are extra- or multiple supernatural entities. What we experience as 'self' in this 3D dimension is only a limited expression of our multidimensional potential.

To try to understand reality from this limited 3D perspective only is a death end.

so it is both

Oh, why does this not surprise me? Have you forgotten time? That puts us at four dimensions at least. If you consider current string theories, I think the dimensions are up to six now (though I could be mistaken). So just how many dimensions are in this hyper dimensional design of yours? What are their constraints? How do they relate to each other? Can you do anything but just take current news stories and relate them to your multivariable timelines?

[Dutch]

Oh, why does this not surprise me? Have you forgotten time? That puts us at four dimensions at least. If you consider current string theories, I think the dimensions are up to six now (though I could be mistaken). So just how many dimensions are in this hyper dimensional design of yours? What are their constraints? How do they relate to each other? Can you do anything but just take current news stories and relate them to your multivariable timelines?


I think I have mentioned over 100 times that I consider our reality 3D or 4D with time included. everytging beyond is Hd or multidimensional if you prefer. I care less how they relate, I'm only looking at their indirect existence in our reality

[Paul]

I think I have mentioned over 100 times that I consider our reality 3D or 4D with time included.The problem is reality doesn't care what you consider it to be, it is, to quote Webster's "an actual existence; that which is not imagination, fiction, or pretense; that which has objective existence, and is not merely an idea."


everytging beyond is Hd or multidimensional if you prefer.Well isn't that all conveniently vague for you.


I care less how they relate, I'm only looking at their indirect existence in our realityYes, I see, the connection, association, or involvement with our reality but not the relationship.

[The Man]

I think I have mentioned over 100 times that I consider our reality 3D or 4D with time included. everytging beyond is Hd or multidimensional if you prefer. I care less how they relate, I'm only looking at their indirect existence in our reality

Hence your difficultly in establishing any definitive meaning to your hyper dimensional design. Without establishing those dimensions and their relationships (or that “design”) you are basically left with just hype.

[Dutch]

posted February 10, 2009:
side by side, today: JSF / F-16 - Mladic - Obama security issue - Geert Wilders. All 4 expressions of the identified underlying themes of these specific timecoded patterns as mentioned in this thread '' 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society". Although seemingly unrelated, they are getting momentum at the same time again:
'Vervanging F-16 kan jaren later'
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3215671/___Vervanging_F-16_kan_jaren_later___.html?p=9,2
EUFOR searching Mladić family homes
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=02&dd=10&nav_id=57045
Man arrested with rifle said he had delivery for Obama
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/10/obama.threat/index.html
Geert Wilders not welcome in GB
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3220259/__Wilders_mag_Engeland_niet_in__.html?p=22,1

Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:
May 6, 2002 - February 10, 2009 = 2.472 days
or 11 * 224.68 = 2.472 days rounded
Venus at same orbittal position
see related thread: 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=87&mforum=hddesign
keep an eye on the timeline too:
Q1 2009 timeline , January - February - March
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=368&mforum=hddesign
Oh yes.......
and the first innerplanet has arrived at the same orbittal position as during the end of this 911 based Phi spiral:
November 14, 2008 - February 10, 2009 = 88 days
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same orbittal position again!
So Venus and Mercury are at the same orbital positions as during the start and the end of this monitored 911 based Phi spiral. The identified underlying themes are expressed in our reality, as above so below.

[Dutch]

The Hyper Dimensional Cube timeframe around February 14 is open, with flight 522 crash on the triggers as mentioned on the timeline for Q1 2009.
Another plane is coming down in Buffalo
Its the anniversary of the assassination of Rafik Hariri and the Lebanon Tribunal will commence functioning on March 1.
I expect to post more updates in relation the the times ahead, especially in relation to the timeframe around March 22

[calebprime]

The Hyper Dimensional Cube timeframe around February 14 is open, with flight 522 crash on the triggers as mentioned on the timeline for Q1 2009.
Another plane is coming down in Buffalo
Its the anniversary of the assassination of Rafik Hariri and the Lebanon Tribunal will commence functioning on March 1.
I expect to post more updates in relation the the times ahead, especially in relation to the timeframe around March 22

wait. That's a prediction?

Allright!

It's on my calendar!

What if a buffalo falls to the ground in Plains, Georgia?

Does that count?

[Paul]

What if a buffalo falls to the ground in Plains, Georgia?

Does that count?Only if it tripped over some pi





Sorry, I'll get my coat...

[calebprime]

wait. That's a prediction?

Allright!

It's on my calendar!

What if a buffalo falls to the ground in Plains, Georgia?

Does that count?

Oh, just read the paper. This is another one of those things that already happened. I thought it was a prediction.

I predict I will make yet another silly mistake today, tomorrow, or Saturday.

[Dutch]

This should really make you think, I wrote this week:
Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:
May 6, 2002 - February 10, 2009 = 2.472 days
or 11 * 224.68 = 2.472 days rounded
Venus at same orbittal position
see related thread: 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=87&mforum=hddesign
keep an eye on the timeline too:
Q1 2009 timeline , January - February - March
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=368&mforum=hddesign
Oh yes.......
and the first innerplanet has arrived at the same orbittal position as during the end of this 911 based Phi spiral:
November 14, 2008 - February 10, 2009 = 88 days
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same orbittal position again!
So Venus and Mercury are at the same orbital positions as during the start and the end of this monitored 911 based Phi spiral. The identified underlying themes are expressed in our reality.
The next inner planet to arrive at the same postion again would be Venus, right?
One would expect related expressions on that day
We talk about June 27, 2009
and here it is already:
Announcement on HD Cube at macrolevel:
personal belongings Pim Fortuyn are to be sold on......June 27, 2009!
14 feb 2009
Persoonlijk bezit Fortuyn geveild
ROTTERDAM - De persoonlijke bezittingen van Pim Fortuyn komen onder de hamer. De spullen van de in 2002 vermoorde politicus worden op 27 juni geveild bij veilinghuis Hessink's in Nijmegen. Dat heeft Hans den Hartog, een van de twee eigenaren van het voormalige woonhuis van Fortuyn in Rotterdam, zaterdag gezegd.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3257946/__Persoonlijk_bezit_Fortuyn_geveild__.html?p=14,1
I want to emphasize again that during upcoming timeframe around March 23, Earth will arrive at same orbital position as during the end of the 9/11 - Madrid spiral ( that was around March 23, 2008 ).
I talk about the same ' geometrical' correlations as identified in relation to this 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society, only this time it will be Earth on the same orbital position instead of Mercury or Venus.
I think we can learn alot during this timeframe around March 23, 2009

[The Man]

The hype continues and still no accounting of “dimensions” or examination of the “design”. Dutch, what is it going to take to actually get you to "think"?

[Dutch]

What does it take you to think about what I'm showing to you. Do you understand the signifigance of this 'Pim Fortuyn' expression in June, popping up out of nowhere but confirming the patterns I was talking about?

You should start to think about what is going on here

again an 'in the face' 'coincidence'.

[Paul]

What does it take you to think about what I'm showing to you.What does it take for you to answer questions?

So far you have refused to explain anything or respond to raised issues and merely posted more dates with unsupported assertions.

Can you even explain what you mean by your constant claim that planets are in the same position as they were on some other date?

[Dutch]

Aren't you celebrating your birthsday on the same day of the year?

On that day Earth is on the same orbital position.

same thing with the other planets

Paul, same question for you: have you noticed the significagance of this 'Pim Fortuyn' expression in June, popping up out of nowhere but confirming the patterns I was talking about?

[Paul]

same thing with the other planetsOK, now we're getting somewhere. This implies that your hyperdimesional shapes must be fixed about the earth, meaning that the relationship you describe with the other planets does not exist as all the orbital positions you refer to are about the sun.



Paul, same question for you: have you noticed the significagance of this 'Pim Fortuyn' expression in June, popping up out of nowhere but confirming the patterns I was talking about?No, for several reasons:

I don't follow news on dead Dutch politicians hoping to find something I can link to other things
I don't see how auctioning some personal items is an expression of anything.
You have yet to demonstrate that there is any pattern to follow.

[Blue Mountain]

OK, now we're getting somewhere. This implies that your hyperdimesional shapes must be fixed about the earth, meaning that the relationship you describe with the other planets does not exist as all the orbital positions you refer to are about the sun.
Hi Paul; Dutch and I covered this four months ago. His response was the position of the planets are irrelevant . :eek:

Consider the orbits of Mercury and the Earth. Mercury makes a complete revolution of the sun once as the Earth makes 87.9691 rotations on its axis. A particular event occurs on Earth, and then an apparently related event occurs later on. Computing the number of days between the events shows an apparent synchronicity between that number and a multiple of the number of days it takes Mercury to go around the Sun (for example, 1:1, 1:2, 1:4). But due to the different orbital velocities, the position of Mercury with respect to the Earth has no such correlation.

Even if events happen precisely (say) 351.8764 days apart, which is the length of time it takes Mercury to make four complete revolutions around the sun, the Earth has also moved in that time, so things are no longer in the same alignment as when the initial event occurred.

About the only time you could even hint that Mercury might have an effect on events on Earth is when they are aligned, either on the same side of the Sun or the opposite, or perhaps at 90 degree angles. But those events don't happen on 87 or 365 day periods, because both planets are in motion.

Use a planetarium program to position yourself over the Sun's North pole, then watch as Mercury and the Earth orbit. I did that myself, and by using a straightedge to determine when the Sun, Mercury, and Earth were all in a straight line, came up with the following dates:
* 26 Nov 2008
* 28 Jan 2009 (55 days later)
* 20 March 2009 (69 days later)
* 18 May 2009 (49 days later)

His reply:

the actual position relative to Earth is irrelevant, as is the shape of the orbit and the actual 3D position on the orbit. It takes a specific number of Earthday to make a full orbit of the planets. That's it.
It doesn't matter. This is not astrology. I talk about orbits of planets, not as seen from Earth
like I said, thsi has nothing to do with astrology or what it looks like in 3D. I talk about orbits of the rotating elements in our solarssystem, not as seen from Earth or the sun or whatever.

[Dutch]

Yes, the actual position as seen from Earth is irrelevant.

I talk about the orbittal positions of the planets around the sun in relation to events in our reality

[Paulhoff]

I don’t even know why I’m here, but, the planets are never and never and never in the same place. The sun is moving in orbit around the center of the Milky Way, the Milky Way is itself moving. Nothing is in the same place ever.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

Hi Paul; Dutch and I covered this four months agoMe too, with similar results:

the platonic solids don't have shape in 3D, their existence is only indirectly detectable by corresponding intersection area's on orbits. The actual 3D position is irrelevant, the platonic solid geometry is still valid.

The reason I brought it up again is because Dutch seems to forget he said things.

[Paul]

Yes, the actual position as seen from Earth is irrelevant.

I talk about the orbittal positions of the planets around the sun in relation to events in our realityAt the risk of receiving another non answer, how can the positions be irrelevant if the positions are important?

[Blue Mountain]

Yes, the actual position as seen from Earth is irrelevant.
I talk about the orbittal positions of the planets around the sun in relation to events in our reality
If you re-read my original post #1057, I talked about the relative positions of planets as seen from the sun, not from the Earth.

You consistently say that HDD is not about astrology, but you continually talk about "Mercury, the Messenger" How is that not astrology?

[Dutch]

I don’t even know why I’m here, but, the planets are never and never and never in the same place. The sun is moving in orbit around the center of the Milky Way, the Milky Way is itself moving. Nothing is in the same place ever.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Paul

:) :) :)

Hi Paulhoff, don't you celebrate your birthsday on the same day?

[Dutch]

Me too, with similar results:

The reason I brought it up again is because Dutch seems to forget he said things.

So....? Don't you understand there is no 'shape'?

[Paulhoff]

Hi Paulhoff, don't you celebrate your birthsday on the same day?
You are so clueless.

Bye again.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

At the risk of receiving another non answer, how can the positions be irrelevant if the positions are important?

I talk about orbital positions. This something different than astrology

Just like Earth is at the same orbital position every time you celebrate your birthsday, regardless the actual position in the milkyway or the background view. About 224,68 days after your birthsday Venus will be on the same orbittal position again as during your birthsday. etc. for the other planets.

I hope this makes it clear

[Dutch]

If you re-read my original post #1057, I talked about the relative positions of planets as seen from the sun, not from the Earth.

You consistently say that HDD is not about astrology, but you continually talk about "Mercury, the Messenger" How is that not astrology?

Astrology? What wrong with Mythology?

[Dutch]

You are so clueless.

Bye again.

Paul

:) :) :)

later

[Paul]

I talk about orbital positions. This something different than astrologyYes, orbital positions, in this case the positions of orbiting bodies about the sun, being actual positions in actual space.

regardless the actual position in the milkyway or the background view.Why is this unimportant?

About 224,68 days after your birthsday Venus will be on the same orbittal position again as during your birthsday. etc. for the other planets.All you're saying is that at the end of it's orbit a planet will be at the beginning of it's orbit again. There is no relationship between a specific event on one planet and the end of the orbital period of another body measured from that event (other than the obvious relative orbital period).

I hope this makes it clearAs usual you seem to be confusing baseless assertion with explanation.

[Paul]

So....? Don't you understand there is no 'shape'?What, no shape to the shapes you use to describe your connections?

[Blue Mountain]

If you re-read my original post #1057, I talked about the relative positions of planets as seen from the sun, not from the Earth.

You consistently say that HDD is not about astrology, but you continually talk about "Mercury, the Messenger" How is that not astrology?

Astrology? What wrong with Mythology?
Because here on a skeptics' board mythology has no more weight than astrology.

I note you failed to address my first point.

[Dutch]

All you're saying is that at the end of it's orbit a planet will be at the beginning of it's orbit again. There is no relationship between a specific event on one planet and the end of the orbital period of another body measured from that event (other than the obvious relative orbital period).


Well, according to HDDesign there is....and all these 'coincidences' and synchronicities correlating with these relationships seem to confirm.

[Dutch]

What, no shape to the shapes you use to describe your connections?

?

reread the explanations of the Hyper Dimensional Platonis solids. They don't have a 'shape', only interference points with orbittal positions .

[Dutch]

Because here on a skeptics' board mythology has no more weight than astrology.

So?

I note you failed to address my first point.

Which first point? I don't know what you expect here

[Paul]

They don't have a 'shape', only interference points with orbittal positions .If they don't have a shape they can't be Platonic solids can they?

Also, if they are formless, how can you know where your interference points will be?

[Paul]

Well, according to HDDesign there isOnce again, assertion is not evidence.

[Paulhoff]

I don't know why any of you guys post here, I really don't.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Blue Mountain]

I don't know why any of you guys post here, I really don't.
More than anything else, I don't want Dutch's posts to go unchallenged. It would not look good on a skeptics' board for something that is pretty much a case study in logical fallacies to be ignored. In that way it's a pretty good learning tool for me.

Also, despite his obsession with HDD, I find Dutch a pleasant person to discuss things with. While at times he gets frustrated with our continued skepticism over his system, rarely does he post anything that even causes me to wonder if I should hit the report button. I'm not sure he's ever had a post reported out of this thread. If so, I can't recall a single warning being posted.

It's also the only source I have for news on Dutch politics :D

[Paulhoff]

It's also the only source I have for news on Dutch politics :D
CNN and MSNBC works fine for me.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

If they don't have a shape they can't be Platonic solids can they?

Also, if they are formless, how can you know where your interference points will be?

But Paul, that has been explained here in this thread and on HDDsign forum.

In short to remind you: These HD Platonic solids originate from outside our 3D ( or 4 / time) reality. If you want to visualize: they look as if they are overrolled, crushed or flattened and placed upon an orbit, only to unveil their connectedness with our reality on the determined orbitalposition.

Although these HD Solids are connected to every single moment in our reality, there's what I call a macrolevel that unveils the orientation of these solids as based on the calendars we use.

This way the HD Tetrahedron at macrolevel for instance, gives predetermined spots on Earth's orbit corresponding with our systems of dates with September 11 ( 9/11 ) or March 11 ( Madrid train bombings)

The assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh also unveil such a similar HD Tetrahedron, although not at the main macrolevel orientation, but the 'geometry' is still the same.

[Hans]

Wow Dutch how many boards are you on? I find you everwhere!

[Dutch]

Once again, assertion is not evidence.

Once again, I don't claim to be able to prove HDDesign.

I am talking about the indications that seem to imply HDDesign indeed exists

[Dutch]

Wow Dutch how many boards are you on? I find you everwhere!

currently about 25, they are listen at HDDesign forum.

[Paulhoff]

Once again, I don't claim to be able to prove HDDesign.

I am talking about the indications that seem to imply HDDesign indeed exists
Seems that Dutch doesn't know what proving is all about, for one.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

In short to remind you: These HD Platonic solids originate from outside our 3D ( or 4 / time) reality.Then they're not platonic solids are they.


they look as if they are overrolled, crushed or flattened and placed upon an orbitHow do you know?

What orbit?

You claim they are in a dimension or dimensions that cannot be observed and then you claim to know what they 'look' like.


only to unveil their connectedness with our reality on the determined orbitalposition.How are they connected?


Although these HD Solids are connected to every single moment in our realityThen there's nothing special about specific dates.


there's what I call a macrolevel that unveils the orientation of these solids as based on the calendars we use.Why?

What orientation?

Why are calendars interchangeable?


This way the HD Tetrahedron at macrolevel for instance, gives predetermined spots on Earth's orbit corresponding with our systems of dates with September 11 ( 9/11 ) or March 11 ( Madrid train bombings)How does a squashed tetrahedron from another dimension, which has a spacial relationship with earth you refuse to explain, and which is permanently connected to us, give any specific information at all?


but the 'geometry' is still the same.Are you still claiming that when you say geometry , you don't mean geometry as everyone else understands it?

[Paul]

Once again, I don't claim to be able to prove HDDesign.Well you certainly have a lot of implicitly authoritative things to say about something that you can't prove.

[Paulhoff]

Once again, I don't claim to be able to prove HDDesign.
So, why the hell is this thread in the "Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology".

I can think of a better one for it.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

Seems that Dutch doesn't know what proving is all about, for one.

Paul

:) :) :)

Has science proved already that there are no other dimensions?

[Paulhoff]

Once again, I don't claim to be able to prove HDDesign.

I am talking about the indications that seem to imply HDDesign indeed exists
Again, you don't know how to do science, and have not been shown doing any science. The indications you show are just news, this is not how science is done, this thread should be in "General Skepticism and The Paranormal" if anywhere, not here with science.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

back to the essence again

On February 10 I wrote:

side by side, today: JSF / F-16 - Mladic - Obama security issue - Geert Wilders. All 4 expressions of the identified underlying themes of these specific timecoded patterns as mentioned in this thread. Although seemingly unrelated, they are getting momentum at the same time again:

'Vervanging F-16 kan jaren later'
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3215671/___Vervanging_F-16_kan_jaren_later___.html?p=9,2 (http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3215671/___Vervanging_F-16_kan_jaren_later___.html?p=9,2)

EUFOR searching Mladić family homes
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=02&dd=10&nav_id=57045 (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=02&dd=10&nav_id=57045)

Man arrested with rifle said he had delivery for Obama
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/10/obama.threat/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/10/obama.threat/index.html)

Geert Wilders not welcome in GB
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3220259/__Wilders_mag_Engeland_niet_in__.html?p=22,1 (http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3220259/__Wilders_mag_Engeland_niet_in__.html?p=22,1)


on February 12 I wrote in addition:

"Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:

May 6, 2002 - February 10, 2009 = 2.472 days

or 11 * 224.68 = 2.472 days rounded

Venus at same orbittal position"

So the Venus connection in relation to the assassination of Pim Fortuyn has been mentioned here, on February 12

That very same day I posted:

"Oh yes.......

and the first innerplanet has arrived at the same orbittal position as during the end of this 911 based Phi spiral:

November 14, 2008 - February 10, 2009 = 88 days

Mercury 'The Messenger' at same orbittal position again!"

The next logical steps in line of thought would be the orbital position of Venus, with 224.68 Earth days the next planet to take the same orbittal position again as during the end of this 911 based Phi spiral.

first mercury, second Venus and third Earth

2 days later the confirmation is already there. Although the orbittal position of Venus is not sooner than June 27, 2009, the underlying themes are already confirmed:

I wrote on Feb 14:

The next inner planet to arrive at the same postion again would be Venus, right?

One would expect related expressions on that day

We talk about June 27, 2009

and here it is already:

Announcement on HD Cube at macrolevel:

personal belongings Pim Fortuyn are to be sold on......June 27, 2009!

14 feb 2009

Persoonlijk bezit Fortuyn geveild

ROTTERDAM - De persoonlijke bezittingen van Pim Fortuyn komen onder de hamer. De spullen van de in 2002 vermoorde politicus worden op 27 juni geveild bij veilinghuis Hessink's in Nijmegen. Dat heeft Hans den Hartog, een van de twee eigenaren van het voormalige woonhuis van Fortuyn in Rotterdam, zaterdag gezegd.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3257946/__Persoonlijk_bezit_Fortuyn_geveild__.html?p=14,1 (http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3257946/__Persoonlijk_bezit_Fortuyn_geveild__.html?p=14,1)

These kind of synchronicities or coincidences happen all the time while dealing with this HDDesign

There are numerous examples of this posted in the HDDesign material, but one should do his or her's own research in order to comprehend

I think some readers aren't fully aware of this

[Paulhoff]

Still no science, just a Horoscope, and a poor one at that. Number not a science make.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Blue Mountain]

"Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:

May 6, 2002 - February 10, 2009 = 2.472 days

or 11 * 224.68 = 2.472 days rounded

Venus at same orbittal position"
Venus is at the same orbital position with respect to what?

[Blue Mountain]

Another question for you.

Many people think that the scientific process involves figuring out what works. However, that is actually the goal, not the method. The method involves coming up with a hypothesis involving why somehting might work. A test is then devised so that if it fails, it definitively disproves the hypothesis and causes it to be rejected.

You've poured over six years into this and have accumulated a small mountain of notes. Can you devise a test or a series of tests that will, if they are positive, provide evidence for HDD, but if negative, disprove HDD?

I say "tests" because HDD, like astrology, biology, psychology, or anthropology, does not lend itself to well to the yes/no type of tests that physics and mathematics excel in.

[Dutch]

Venus is at the same orbital position with respect to what?

the assassination of Pim Fortuyn.

Do I have to rewrite every single post or not? The post should be clear

[Dutch]

Blue,

I don't think such a test exists, I think the only way to proceed is the way I'm doing it.

[Paulhoff]

Blue,

I don't think such a test exists, I think the only way to proceed is the way I'm doing it.
This does not belong in the Science etc thread area, you have just said so.

Paul

:) :) :)

[kevinquinnyo]

Dutch,

It seems like you've put a lot of work into this. I have to admit I don't understand exactly what you are talking about and I certainly didn't understand the math. Either I'm not smart enough, or it didn't make sense.

I'm not trying to be coy, either, I mean that.

But here's the thing. It seems to me that the basis of your whole idea, is:

1) There are some apparent coincidences of events.

2) They require an explanation.


Don't you think that the major events you have listed to be completely arbitrary?

What makes 9/11 or an assassination attempt or Saddam's hanging or any other world event more special or less arbitrary than my dog pissing on the carpet in my apartment on July 8, 1998, or me looking at internet porn on November 2, 2003? Why makes something like 9/11 more significant than that?


I guess my point is that it seems like you've put a lot of work into trying to force correlation between things that do not require it, because they are only "special" events to us. They are not inherently or mathematically special.



Perhaps you have an entirely different point that I just didn't understand.

But, you know, think about it.

-Kevin

[Blue Mountain]

Dutch,

It seems like you've put a lot of work into this. I have to admit I don't understand exactly what you are talking about and I certainly didn't understand the math. Either I'm not smart enough, or it didn't make sense.

Hi Kevin, welcome to the forum, and welcome to this thread.

Dutch more or less understands what he's talking about, although he does not understand logical fallacies and critical thinking.

As for math, he has yet to present any. He probably understands high school geometry, but I highly doubt he understands any mathematics beyond two dimensions, let alone four.

I guess my point is that it seems like you've put a lot of work into trying to force correlation between things that do not require it, because they are only "special" events to us. They are not inherently or mathematically special.
That pretty much summarizes our conversation over the last 1,300 posts ...

[Blue Mountain]

Venus is at the same orbital position with respect to what?

the assassination of Pim Fortuyn.

Do I have to rewrite every single post or not? The post should be clear
Actually, it was clear only in the context that Mercury is in approximately the same spot in its orbit around the sun as it was when Pim was killed.

However, I have a bit of an interest in astronomy. Out in space, the position of any given object is always relative to the position of other objects. So when I asked about "the position of Mercury relative to what?", I was wondering what you were using as a guide against which to measure the position of Mercury's orbit.

It turns out that guide is the background stars, since you commented that Mercury is in the same position as it was when Pin was killed. That is, Venus has made 11 complete orbits of the sun in that time.

So what's my issue with this? Well, it's rather nice coincidence that two events occurred in the same time that it took for Mercury to complete those 11 orbits. However, the Earth itself is in a different position with respect to the background stars in May (when Pim was killed) than it is in February. That means if you measure the angle between Earth and Venus (with the Sun as the origin) on these two dates, they're different.

So now you're going to say that the angle has nothing to do with it; that the position of Venus is a reflection of the underlying design as expressed on the four-dimensional hypercube. But I could say the same thing without invoking the hypercube. After all, it's a simple observation that these two events occurred at a time when Venus is in the same position with respect to the background stars.

We have a word in English that describes this observation. Astrology.

[Dutch]

What makes 9/11 or an assassination attempt or Saddam's hanging or any other world event more special or less arbitrary than my dog pissing on the carpet in my apartment on July 8, 1998, or me looking at internet porn on November 2, 2003? Why makes something like 9/11 more significant than that?


I don't think your dog is playing an important role at macrolevel.

9/11 and the Madridbombings correlated with 2 of the four Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron 'interference areas' on Earths orbit when I first determined them.

[Dutch]

I guess my point is that it seems like you've put a lot of work into trying to force correlation between things that do not require it, because they are only "special" events to us. They are not inherently or mathematically special.


No, they pop up just like that. A few years ago I have put a lot of work into trying to understand how it works. These correlations pop up instantly, after an intuitive thought or synchronicity. These underlying timecoded patterns are intelligent in a sense that you can calculate it

[Dutch]

Dutch more or less understands what he's talking about, although he does not understand logical fallacies and critical thinking.


That's where I'm coming from. Your logic is limited to your rigid 3D perspective of reality. I have always been a critical thinker. It took a long time I understood that I had to rely on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities first. Once I was ready to accept it these 'coincidences'and synchronicities popped up instantly while working with this material

As for math, he has yet to present any. He probably understands high school geometry, but I highly doubt he understands any mathematics beyond two dimensions, let alone four.

The math is so simple. Orbittal posoitions in Earth years, the HD Platonic solid based are determined and given. The Golden Mean....nothing more.

Remember I only talk about the indications that there are intelligent timecoded patterns linked to our reality.

I don't care less how our reality or a multi dimensional reality should be described mathematically. That's irrelevant for the process of identifying timecoded patterns and themes

[Dutch]

Blue,

it has nothing to do with the background stars.

I have said that the 'actual ' position is irrelevant. the only thing that counts is the orbittal positions onf the planets in Earth days, regardles the actual 3D position in the solarsystem or how it looks like as seen from earth. I think astrology works very differently but I don't know much about astrology. its something completely diffrent

[Paulhoff]

Blue,

it has nothing to do with the background stars.

I have said that the 'actual ' position is irrelevant. the only thing that counts is the orbittal positions onf the planets in Earth days, regardles the actual 3D position in the solarsystem or how it looks like as seen from earth. I think astrology works very differently but I don't know much about astrology. its something completely diffrent
I'm glad as hell that your not a Navigator.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Blue Mountain]

That's where I'm coming from. Your logic is limited to your rigid 3D perspective of reality. I have always been a critical thinker. It took a long time I understood that I had to rely on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities first. Once I was ready to accept it these 'coincidences'and synchronicities popped up instantly while working with this material
Bolding mine. One has nothing to do with the other. Your comments throughout this thread show a profound lack of critical thinking.

Remember I only talk about the indications that there are intelligent timecoded patterns linked to our reality.

I don't care less how our reality or a multi dimensional reality should be described mathematically. That's irrelevant for the process of identifying timecoded patterns and themes
Then HDD is nothing more than tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves or crystal balls: it's just a fortune-teller's prop. The real work is in the cold reading or, in your case, the post-hoc linking of disparate news reports.

[Blue Mountain]

I have said that the 'actual ' position is irrelevant. the only thing that counts is the orbittal positions of the planets in Earth days, regardles the actual 3D position in the solarsystem or how it looks like as seen from earth.
If their actual positions are irrelevant, then the planets themselves are irrelevant. They're just props. All you're doing is using the numbers provided by their orbital periods as input into your convoluted computations.

I think astrology works very differently but I don't know much about astrology. its something completely diffrent
In a way you're right. At least in astrology the planets have relevance. But in the end both astrology and HDD ignore what we know about the planets: they have no influence over events on Earth.

[Paul]

9/11 and the Madridbombings correlated with 2 of the four Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron 'interference areas' on Earths orbit when I first determined them.Once again I'll request some explanations:


Why do you insist on using the names of platonic solids to refer to concepts that you cannot possibly describe?


Why are you claiming specific 'interference areas' when you also say "these HD Solids are connected to every single moment in our reality"?


What else happened, at the same time as your special events, that you chose to arbitrarily ignore?


Why do you refer to orbital positions and then claim the position on the orbit is irrelevant?


Why are the orbital periods of other bodies relevant to events on earth?


How, exactly, did you determine your 'interference areas'?


How can you claim the "math is so simple" when you also claim to be dealing with the relationships of higher dimensional objects with 4 dimensional orbital mechanics?

[Paul]

I don't care less how our reality or a multi dimensional reality should be described mathematically. That's irrelevant for the process of identifying timecoded patterns and themesEven for you, that is a particularly silly statement.

[Dutch]

Bolding mine. One has nothing to do with the other. Your comments throughout this thread show a profound lack of critical thinking.

Well this thread is about intuitive thoughts and synchronicities in the first place. The critical mind must accept that first.


Then HDD is nothing more than tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves or crystal balls: it's just a fortune-teller's prop. The real work is in the cold reading or, in your case, the post-hoc linking of disparate news reports.


You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developments

[Paul]

You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developmentsHow so, you are always keen to remind us that you cannot predict anything.

[Blue Mountain]

Well this thread is about intuitive thoughts and synchronicities in the first place. The critical mind must accept that first.
Many advances in science have come from an intuitive insight. And, in fact, some major advances have come from non-intuitive insights. I'm thinking of things like Copernicus' insight that the earth moves about the sun, Newton's invention of calculus, Maxwell's equations linking and describing electricity and magnetism, Pasteur's innovation that led to controlling bacteria in milk, Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, and Einstein's breakthoughs that led to the theory of relativity.

But in all these cases, those insights were followed through with meticulous research coupled with careful documentation (which your "research" lacks), plus the attendant mathematics that proved the insight (which you don't even attempt to provide.)

You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developments
Tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves, crystal balls, and reading the entrails of slaughtered goats have all been used in the past to shine a light on future developments. Do you care to speculate on why we don't use them these days?

[Paulhoff]

There is nothing in Hyper Dimensional Design that is unfalsifiable or unverifiable, it is not science, it is just like faith, nothing more.

Dutch quoting numbers is no more then someone quoting the bible as proof.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

But in all these cases, those insights were followed through with meticulous research coupled with careful documentation (which your "research" lacks), plus the attendant mathematics that proved the insight (which you don't even attempt to provide.)


but all limited to our rigid 3D perspective of reality. We are dealing with other dimensions here, you can't prove it ot test it within the set limits of 3D reality. All these great scientists were not able to fully describe the reality we live in, in a sense that there are no additional dimensions. We are still waiting for a Grand Theory.

[Dutch]

Tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves, crystal balls, and reading the entrails of slaughtered goats have all been used in the past to shine a light on future developments. Do you care to speculate on why we don't use them these days?


no, do you?

I don't think tea leaves will enable to identify expressions of specific underlying themes at specific moments in our reality.

[sts60]

I see nothing has changed (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3198333#post3198333) in the past twenty-odd pages...
More than anything else, I don't want Dutch's posts to go unchallenged. It would not look good on a skeptics' board for something that is pretty much a case study in logical fallacies to be ignored. In that way it's a pretty good learning tool for me.
Oh, absolutely. I always learn something from debating pseudoscientists and conspiracists. Sometimes it's about the topic under discussion; sometimes its about learning to spot the fallacies and debating tactics used to advance the claims. The latter has proven useful in real life.
Also, despite his obsession with HDD, I find Dutch a pleasant person to discuss things with. While at times he gets frustrated with our continued skepticism over his system, rarely does he post anything that even causes me to wonder if I should hit the report button. I'm not sure he's ever had a post reported out of this thread. If so, I can't recall a single warning being posted.
Agreed. Dutch is a nice guy.

[Paulhoff]

no, do you?

I don't think tea leaves will enable to identify expressions of specific underlying themes at specific moments in our reality.
And what have you shown?

Paul

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[Paul]

but all limited to our rigid 3D perspective of reality. We are dealing with other dimensions here, you can't prove it ot test it within the set limits of 3D reality.Can you prove or test it within any limits?


All these great scientists were not able to fully describe the reality we live in, in a sense that there are no additional dimensions.Are you claiming that you can?

[Paul]

no, do you?I can have a pretty good stab at it; they are a load of superstitious, unsupported, inaccurate, nonsensical, tawdry old dingo's kidneys.

I don't think tea leaves will enable to identify expressions of specific underlying themes at specific moments in our reality.Why not?

[The Man]

Well this thread is about intuitive thoughts and synchronicities in the first place. The critical mind must accept that first.

The critical mind does not have to accept anything without sufficient and definitive explanation. Even with that acceptance of definitive and verifiable mechanisms and explanations a critical mind will still examine them, well, critically. When you decided to accept your “intuitive thoughts and synchronicities in the first place” you stopped thinking about them critically.



You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developments

So far you have shown that your “HDD” light only comes on after the fact.

[Wolrab]

Over a year. Have there been any predictions that pan out or is it all post-diction?

[Paul]

Over a year. Have there been any predictions that pan out or is it all post-diction?They all pan out, but only after something that fits has already happened.

[Wolrab]

They all pan out, but only after something that fits has already happened.
Kind of handy, eh?

[Paulhoff]

There will be long periods of quite from Dutch followed by a few long posts that show the news and numbers that he thinks justifies those posts.

Paul

:) :) :)

As if there is no news at all between those posts.

[Wolrab]

Is there a hypodimensional physics?

[dafydd]

Dutch gets my vote for nutter of the year.I don't see us getting a bigger looney in here before December.

[Paul]

Is there a hypodimensional physics?Don't give him ideas...

:boggled:

[kevinquinnyo]

Here's a conspiracy for you.

Is it possible that this thread is a bizarre, innovative marketing campaign for that new Nicolas Cage movie, Knowing?

[Dutch]

I expect to resume posting more frequently at this forum again when the timeframe around March 21-23, 2009 is nearing.......

So

[Paul]

SoAre you arguing with yourself now?

[Dutch]

oh yes , the launch of space shuttle discovery is sceduled for March 11 or 12. As Goro already pointed out this launch timeframe is a major Phi point linked to the desintegration of space shuttle Columbia on February 1, 2003.
Goro:
Mar 04: A tentative shuttle launch target date (March 11/12) acknowledges a major Golden Section (phi) point involving the 2003 shuttle Columbia destruction... Not exactly a date I would choose to launch a shuttle. It might be something of a prelude to the previously mentioned 'Deep Impact window' coming around the end of March.
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/
I think Goro is referring to this timeframe around March 11-12, which is HD Tetrahedron timeframe at macrolevel orientation, as being a Phi point between the desintegration of Columbia and the end of the Mayan Calendar, because that's what it is.
This means that we can expect Discovery back from its 16 days mission on March 27 or 28. During this timeframe of the return of Space Shuttle Discovery around March 27-28, Venus will be at the same orbittal position as during the fatal return of Columbia. Exactly 10 Venus years in Earth days.
Earlier I have already identified this timeframe around March 28 as a key date related to the Flight 1549 Hudson crash landing and the Golden Mean connection with flight 522 'running on autopilot towards nuclear event' crash in Marathon, Greece.
Keep an eye on the timeline, especially from March 20 on ( desintegration of MIR)
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/index.php?mforum=hddesign

[Paul]

I think Goro is referring to this timeframe around March 11-12Yes, Goro is a good source of rational information, after all, it's plainly obvious that the constant mention of feet and shoes in the media is some kind of code :boggled:

[Paul]

I think Goro is referring to this timeframe around March 11-12It's pretty bleedin' obvious, having the date in the quote and all.


end of the Mayan Calendar, because that's what it is.Which end of the Mayan calendar?


Discovery back from its 16 days missionOnce again, you don't even check with NASA before you use incorrect information (http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/STS119_flash/)


Venus will be at the same orbittal positionIs that one of those positions that are unimportant?


Earlier I have already identified this timeframe around March 28 as a key date related to...Are you sure you wouldn't like to squeeze a few more random unrelated events in?

[The Man]

Dutch gets my vote for nutter of the year.I don't see us getting a bigger looney in here before December.


Give it some time dafydd, I’ve got a feeling it is going to be a long year (must be that pi time code spiral thingy). Actually I’ve got to give Dutch some credit, he is one of the more reserved “eccentrics” you will find on this form.

[Dutch]

Finally I've got my avatar. It was way to big to fit when I joined here, I guess now we are talking. Did you catch the 'communication' at Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron timeframe at macrolevel around March 12?

[Paul]

Did you catch the 'communication' at Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron timeframe at macrolevel around March 12?I see that by 'communication' you mean nothing happened to the shuttle.

[Dutch]

I guess you only understand planes actually flying into buildings...

There was a red alert on ISS for space debris at Phi point

the shuttle isn't even in space yet, but there's already alot to do with it

I expect more of this 'conditioning'

Columbia desintegrated on its return, so what are you talking about?

[Dutch]

but actually, I was referring to the terror threat in Amsterdam

[Neverfly]

OH hEllo Dutch!

I didn't know you were here...

A victim. Yes...


<slavers uncontrollably...>

[Paul]

I guess you only understand planes actually flying into buildings...:confused:


There was a red alert on ISS for space debris at Phi pointI think that might be a tad melodramatic:

On Thursday morning, the station crew was alerted about the possible conjunction of an estimated 13-centimeter-diameter piece of space debris with the station. Crew members entered their Soyuz TMA-13 capsule in case the debris affected the space station and they were required to undock. The crew remained in the Soyuz until the debris risk had passed and began reconfiguring station systems for normal operations afterwards.



the shuttle isn't even in space yet,No, it's not is it. Do you remember this: "the launch of space shuttle discovery is sceduled for March 11 or 12. As Goro already pointed out this launch timeframe is a major Phi point linked to the desintegration of space shuttle Columbia"


but there's already alot to do with itWhat?

[Paul]

but actually, I was referring to the terror threat in AmsterdamYou mean the threat that apparently wasn't?

The one where nothing exploded, no explosives were found, and most of those arrested have already been released without charge?

[Dutch]

exactly

I'm afraid you only recognize the 9/11 and Madrid Bombings kind of expressions.

This is exactly the 'subtle' kind of expression we could learn our lessons from.

If we all had your altitude, we would only learn our lessons the hard way.

Pretty dangerous when it comes to the karmic expressions of the nuclear theme

[Paulhoff]

exactly

I'm afraid you only recognize the 9/11 and Madrid Bombings kind of expressions.

This is exactly the 'subtle' kind of expression we could learn our lessons from.

If we all had your altitude, we would only learn our lessons the hard way.

Pretty dangerous when it comes to the karmic expressions of the nuclear theme

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=179

Paul

:) :) :)

[Klimax]

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=179

Paul

:) :) :)

Isn't the horse already smashed to pieces?

[Blue Mountain]

Hi Dutch,

This is exactly the 'subtle' kind of expression we could learn our lessons from.
When you say subtle, we say post hoc ergo propter hoc.

If we all had your altitude, we would only learn our lessons the hard way. Pretty dangerous when it comes to the karmic expressions of the nuclear theme
Actually, we prefer to learn our lessons using the scientific method.

[Paul]

exactlyExactly that something didn't happen but you still want to call it an expression of which ever of your timelines it most vaguely fits?


I'm afraid you only recognize the 9/11 and Madrid Bombings kind of expressions.I don't actually recognise any of your expressions, however, I especially don't recognise the ones where there nothing happens.


This is exactly the 'subtle' kind of expression we could learn our lessons from.Please, explain to us how we can learn from nothing happening, so that when nothing happens in the future we will know what to do.


we would only learn our lessons the hard way.Again, what lesson?

What can we learn and how can it be of any help in the future that you cannot predict?


Pretty dangerous when it comes to the karmic expressions of the nuclear themeHokey theology aside, you have been shown numerous times that this nuclear theme is as ridiculously impalpable as it's companion 'stay out of space'.

[The Man]

Exactly that something didn't happen but you still want to call it an expression of which ever of your timelines it most vaguely fits?


I don't actually recognise any of your expressions, however, I especially don't recognise the ones where there nothing happens.


Please, explain to us how we can learn from nothing happening, so that when nothing happens in the future we will know what to do.


Again, what lesson?

What can we learn and how can it be of any help in the future that you cannot predict?


Hokey theology aside, you have been shown numerous times that this nuclear theme is as ridiculously impalpable as it's companion 'stay out of space'.


The lesson is simple, Paul, if something does happen then it is an expression of Dutch’s ‘timelines’. Conversely if nothing happens it is then, well, just an expression of Dutch’s ‘timelines’. In short the lesson is that Dutch’s ‘timelines’ are irrelevant to what does or does not happen, now if we could only get Dutch to learn that simple and obvious lesson.

[Paul]

The lesson is simple, Paul, if something does happen...Well, we've tried everything else so it's worth a shot I suppose:

Dutch, when something and nothing are both the same and neither sheds any light upon the future, how is anything you do to be differentiated from any of your previously mentioned post nuntium methods?

[Dutch]

Dutch, when something and nothing are both the same and neither sheds any light upon the future, how is anything you do to be differentiated from any of your previously mentioned post nuntium methods?
The woman who called the police on HD Tetrahedron at macro level around March 12 ( which was first unveiled by 9/11 and the Madrid bombings), causing this terror alert in Amsterdam, was telling detailed inside information about the Madrid bombings.

Tipgever wist details over 'Madrid'
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3485929/__Tipgever_wist_details_over__Madrid___.html?p=3,1 (http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3485929/__Tipgever_wist_details_over__Madrid___.html?p=3,1 )

The difference between something and 'nothing' is determined by our ability to understand our reality and our own responisibilties. These events are eyeopeners, they unveil hidden underlying desidn that should make you think and change they way you look at reality and your own responsibilities. Its up to us which 'magnitude' these expressions come through, if we fail to understand at subtle levels, we will have to deal with it the hard way

[Paulhoff]

Dutch, I'm sorry, but you are so clueless to your own delusion.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

The woman who called the police on HD Tetrahedron at macro level around March 12... ...causing this terror alert in Amsterdam, was telling detailed inside information about the Madrid bombings.According to the auto-translated page, she knew details of the attacks in Madrid which led to her claims for Amsterdam being taken seriously.


The difference between something and 'nothing' is determined by our ability to understand our reality and our own responisibilties.No it isn't.


These events are eyeopenersHow?


they unveil hidden underlying desidn that should make you think and change they way you look at reality and your own responsibilities.Why would nothing happening make me change the way I think about the world?

Why are you obsessed with everyone literally being responsible for everything you believe is wrong?


Its up to us which 'magnitude' these expressions come throughThat is just one of your many excuses for making things up to fit preconceptions.


if we fail to understand at subtle levels, we will have to deal with it the hard wayHow can we learn, from nothing happening, to deal with possible indeterminate future events of an unknowable type?

[Dutch]

Satellite debris expected within half a mile of space station
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/03/16/space.station.debris/index.html

[Paulhoff]

Dutch, I'm sorry, but you are so clueless to your own delusion.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

Satellite debris expected within half a mile of space stationOh look, absolutely nothing is happening again, that must make this non-event really important.

[Dutch]

from the timeline Q1 2009:
March 21-23, 2009 - keytimeframe on the Golden mean Phi-spiral that starts at Nagasaki and ends on the end of the Mayan Calender. Expressions expected related to 'end of peace' and nuclear theme. I recommend to read the related posts to this timeframe posted on page 1 of the Q1 2009 timeline
Desintegrates:
picture deleted, against forum riules
MIR = PEACE
update posted on HD Cube, read here:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=7822&mforum=hddesign#7822
update March 19, the window is open:
Chernobyl 'shows insect decline'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7949314.stm
Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron location, Tonga 'where time begins'
Tsunami fears as quake hits Tonga
A tsunami warning has been issued for the South Pacific after a 7.9 magnitude earthquake was registered about 209km (130 miles) south-east of Tonga.
Monitors at the US National Weather Service said they did not know if a tsunami had been generated but the size of the quake made it possible.
The quake struck at 1818 GMT at a depth of 10km (6.2 miles), Reuters quoted the US Geological Survey as saying.
The island state of Tonga is a developing tourist destination.
The tsunami warning covers Samoa and Fiji, AFP news agency reports.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7953858.stm

Russian planes again fly over U.S. Navy ships
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/19/us.russia.planes/index.html
China pushes N. Korea on nuke talks
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/20/china.nkorea/index.html
again a nuclear-powered submarine collides:
US navy vessels collide in Gulf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7955185.stm
U.S. Navy vessels collide near Iran
NEW: Nuclear propulsion plant on submarine not damaged, Navy says
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/20/navy.vessels.collide/index.html
Obama offers Iran 'the promise of a new beginning'
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/20/obama.iran.video/index.html
picture deleted
Pentagon video: 'Chinese aggression ... details at 11'
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/20/us.china.navy/index.html
Report: N. Korea confirms detention of Americans
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/21/n.korea.us.journalists/index.html
North Korea to Close Air Routes for Rocket Launch
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=azE46E_VYe9A

Iranian leader: Obama's rhetoric not enough
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/21/iran.us.obama/index.html
Obama's test
Joe Biden was wrong when he stated that he expected President Obama to be tested within six moths of his taking office by some foreign power. Not just Obama is going to be tried. The whole soft power, multilateralism, diplomacy-will-open-all-doors liberal foreign policy is on trial.
Iran has nominated itself as the first foreign tester. President Obama appealed to Iran in a powerful, evocative, noble message. He referred to Iran by its full name, dear to the Mullahs, "The Islamic Republic of Iran." He celebrated Iran's contributions to culture, art, poetry, and history, among other great treasures. He addressed Iran with the respect that Mullahs long demanded, stating: "We know that you are a great civilization, and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the United States and the world."
And he called for turning a new page, in the eloquence that is uniquely his:

Within these [New Year] celebrations lies the promise of a new day, the promise of opportunity for our children, security for our families, progress for our communities, and peace between nations. Those are shared hopes, those are common dreams.
How did Iran respond? By spitting in his face and showing him the finger. Ayatollah Khamenei stated "[Obama] insulted the Islamic Republic of Iran from the first day. If you are right that change has come, where is that change? What is the sign of that change? Make it clear for us what has changed." Global headlines: Obama rebuffed by Iran.
==
This is the test Obama and liberal foreign policy now face. Can they make soft power work? (Which would be indeed a global blessing.) And are they clear, at least in their own minds and councils, what will they resort to if Iran just plays them for one month after another, until their nukes are placed at the top of their missiles?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/obamas-test_b_178110.html

India accuses Pakistan over Kashmir exchange
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/21/india.pakistan.kashmir/index.html
India has 'proof' Pakistan involved in attacks
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090321/twl-india-attacks-pakistan-probe-diploma-582b915.html
10 killed in Kashmir fighting
Incident comes after India accuses Pakistani troops of firing on Indian troops
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/india.kashmir/index.html
March 23rd, 2009:
Main suspect in Mumbai attack says he’s a Pakistani national
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/
Trial starts for Mumbai suspect
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7958513.stm
Deaths after explosion rocks Islamabad
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/pakistan.islamabad.explosion/index.html
Kashmir fighting death toll hits 19
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/kashmir.fighting/index.html
Bomb threat temporarily grounds Danish royals
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/21/denmark.prince/index.html
Airliner evacuated at London airport
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/22/uk.gatwick.airliner/index.html
Emergency landing 1:00
A passenger jet makes an emergency landing in Melbourne, Australia, after hitting its tail on the runway during takeoff.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/03/21/sotvo.aus.emer.plane.landing.abc
Seven children die in U.S. plane crash
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/03/23/montana.plane.crash/index.html
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7 kids, 7 adults die in Montana plane crash, FAA says
Father was pilot in plane crash that killed 14, investigators say
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/03/23/montana.plane.crash/index.html
Crew dies from Tokyo airport plane crash
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/japan.planecrash/index.html
Indonesian jetliner makes emergency landing
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/indonesia.plane.emergency.landing/index.html
Search called off after plane crash deemed false
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/03/23/texas.plane/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
G20: British security warns of 26/11-style attacks
http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14873753
Lebanon bomb kills PLO official
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7959290.stm
Clash in tense Israeli-Arab town
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7960807.stm
I have looked at this guy several times but I could never put a finger on him. now he pops up in this important timeframe ( I still don't understand the intelligent correlation though, if there would be any :? ):
Charles Manson spends most of his time alone
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/20/charles.manson.prison/index.html
Hyper Dimensional 'inwelling' area:
Alaska's Mount Redoubt erupts
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/03/23/alaska.volcano/index.html
Israel's Netanyahu signs up Shas
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7958747.stm
Synchromystical confirmation of Hyper Dimensional Design in Optima Forma on March 23 :
Apocalyptic 'Knowing' hits anxious chord
The film, about a physics professor who sees clues for disastrous events in a time capsule's list of digits, overcame some pretty long odds at the box office --
Though star Nicolas Cage wouldn't have predicted the outcome, in an interview before the film's release, he did talk about the power of positive thinking.
"I'm a huge believer of the human spirit," he told CNN. "I think people are amazing. I think what we have accomplished is incredible. ... If you think positive and you apply the guts and ingenuity that mankind has been doing forever, at least in our existence, I believe we get through anything."
Cage's character, John Koestler, is a science professor whom Cage describes as "someone who is reawakening to his faith." He begins the film believing that everything is random, but as the film continues -- and he seeks to alert the world of a coming catastrophe -- "he believes there is cause and effect and perhaps even a divine mind," Cage said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/23/knowing.cage.proyas/index.html
:!: :!: :!:
and here are the expected 'Nuclear Theme' expressions:
Cold fusion debate heats up again
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7959183.stm
France offers nuclear test money
France is to compensate people who suffered health problems as a result of three decades of nuclear weapons tests, its government says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7960534.stm
Nuclear ambition
Insight: How do you dissuade Iran?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7958862.stm
:!: :!: :!:
AND EVEN A HIRHOSHIMA - NAGASAKI EXPRESSION!!!!!!!!!
I noticed it in Dutch mainstream with the link to the Mainichi Daily News:( Japanner overleefde twee atoombommen , http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1937744/japanner-overleefde-twee-atoombommen.html ):
Elderly man officially recognized as double hibakusha
Elderly man officially recognized as double hibakusha
NAGASAKI -- A 93-year-old man who experienced atomic bombings in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki has won official recognition as a dual hibakusha.
The Nagasaki Municipal Government acknowledged on Monday that Tsutomu Yamaguchi, 93, from Nagasaki, Nagasaki Prefecture, was not only exposed to the atomic bomb in Nagasaki but also in Hiroshima, and updated his A-bomb survivor's ID. So far, only his experience in Nagasaki had been recognized.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/archive/news/2009/03/24/20090324p2a00m0na006000c.html
Q1 2009 timeline , January - February - March
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=368&mforum=hddesign

[Paulhoff]

More News, no proofs.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

Well, argumentum ad Nicolas Cage is a new one!

[Paul]

MIR = PEACEYou keep saying that like it's important; мир also means universe or world.


update March 19, the window is open:
Chernobyl 'shows insect decline' Yes, incredible:
"What we found was the same basic pattern throughout these areas - the numbers of organisms declined with increasing contamination."
In other important news, researchers from the Department of Really Important Science at the University of Too Much Grant Money have revealed a preponderance of disharmonious bipedal ambulation among habitual consumers of excessive quantities of psychoactive depressants and a marked increase in ursine fecal matter in large areas of woody plants with clear apical dominance.


Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron location, Tonga 'where time begins'
Tsunami fears as quake hits Tonga It's strange that the page you link to now says hardly any of what you supposedly quote; instead, after appropriate factual details, they say
"A regional tsunami warning was issued, but withdrawn just over an hour and a half later"
If you try to associate earthquakes with your alleged end of peace theme, you're just shooting a lame duck in the foot while it's sitting in a barrel of dead fish: we always have had and will have earthquakes, therefore, you cannot possible expect to use them as an expression of the end of anything without explaining why it didn't end millions of years ago.



The rest of the post appears to be really desperate pattern searching and data mining with lack of understanding and bizarre leaps of whatever it is you use in place of logic thrown in.

[Dutch]

in addition to last post on page 36:

added on the timeline:
An Italian court has jailed a Tunisian pilot who paused to pray instead of taking emergency measures before ditching his plane, killing 16 people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7962082.stm
NOTE THAT THIS PLANE CAME DOWN ON 'HIRHOSIMA':
The twin-engined Tuninter ATR-72 turboprop aeroplane was flying from the Italian city of Bari to the Tunisian island of Djerba on 6 August 2005, when it ran out of fuel and came down in the sea

[Dutch]

Paul, you are missing a boat

[Paul]

Paul, you are missing a boatNo, I'm not getting on the boat because when I got to the harbour, not only was the boat not going anywhere, it was holed below the waterline, had no lifeboats and the engine had seized.

[Paul]

NOTE THAT THIS PLANE CAME DOWN ON 'HIRHOSIMA':Yes, a 'plane crashed, due to servicing and pilot incompetence, not an American nuclear weapon.

Why is it significant because it happens to share the date of a completely different event 60 years ago?

[Paulhoff]

Paul, you are missing a boat
I have to agree with Paul, there is no boat. You report news, you don't know what a theory is, the list for things you do wrong is almost endless.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

This praying pilot was jailed with Earth at the same orbittal position as during the end of the 9/11 - Madrid bombings timecoded Phi spiral, around March 23, 2009, a timeframe which is Golden Mean Phi based connected with the atomic bombs of Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and the end of the Mayan calendar.
A Hirhoshima- Nagasaki echo was expected, which has happened with Yamaguchi becomming a double Hibakusha, just like the expected Nagasaki echo directly determined from August 9, 1945 on for July 16, 2007, the day of the Japanese Earthquake which caused the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak .
Mercury 'The Messenger was on the same orbittal position during these 2 timeframes ( March 23, 2009 and July 16, 2007)
9/11 happened with Mars at same orbittal position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, december 23, 2012.
December 23, 2012 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers. ( from wikipedia)
With this Sicilian crash at 'Hirhoshima' August 6, 2005 as midpoint between July 17, 2007 Nagasaki echo and:
August 27, 2003 - Perihelic Opposition: Mars makes its closest approach to Earth in over 50,000 years.
'Hirhoshima' crash August 6, 2005 - December 23, 2012: Venus at same orbittal position
2696 days or exactly 12 Venus years in Earth days
next in line of thought is the same upcoming orbittal position of Venus around April 15, 2009, the same as during end of Mayan calendar and the 'Hirhoshima' crash.
That date was already on the timeline of Q2: the anniversarry of the assassination of Lincoln.
The US President at that time had ultimately decided to drop the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki
Obama beware
With March 28, 2009 coming up as midpoint in Earth days between Deep Impact and the end of the Mayan Calendar ( followed by July 7 London bombings 3 days later around March 31 ), we now have a midpoint coming up in Venus years in Earth days:

April 15, 2009 Venus midpoint between 'Hirhoshima' crash - end of Mayan calendar
In Venus years in Earth days:
August 6, 2005 Hirhoshima crash - 6 Venus Years in Earthdays - April 15, 2009 Venus midpoint - 6 Venus Years in Earthdays - end of Mayan calendar

[Dutch]

Well,
What I’m going to tell right now should be taken very serious
This ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005 in unveiling the hidden underlying Design as described in my earlier posts.
Like I said, The US President at that time had ultimately decided to drop the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki.
I have posted earlier about this subject on October 15, 2007:
Monday October 15, 2007
Last week when somebody asked me about The Tunguska event and I had to think about Deep Impact on Temple I instantly. When I calculated the Phi point ( Golden Mean) I saw that it should be somewhere during WWII but not Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, because I didn't recognize the Hirhoshima/Nagasaki - Deep impact timeframe as such. As this has everything to do with consciousness, I expected that the nuclear theme would pop up somehow, probably with nuclear testing or decission making. That's what I thought just before I came to know about the exact date of the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact.
I have to emphasize that I almost fell out of my chair when I noticed that this Phi point coincided with the approval by the US President to use nuclear bombs!!! ( which actually happened some days later).
I think we really have to let go our linear perspective of time and our rigid perception of causality.
We have to deal with these carmic issues indeed, but it would be a very bad idea for someone to decide to misuse nuclear power again. very bad for our destiny
On January 15 this year I added:
As posted above, we have seen this Pi expression by spacecraft Deep Impact with the Deep Impact/Epoxi - Earth - Moon Transit and the 2 comet encounters, of which an actual Impact on comet Temple I
By synchronicity I had to think about the Tunguska event.
There are 2 Pi points between the Tunguska event and the impact on comet Temple I, similar as described in a previous post .
Both Pi points show Venus at the same orbital position , the very same orbital position Venus will reach during the end of the Mayan Calendar.!
Tunguska....Deep Impact......end of Mayan calendar...Planets
I think we really have to let go our linear perspective of time and our rigid perception of causality.
This means that Tunguska has happened in the past in our perspective of time, but that in fact Tunguska was an Intelligently Designed event because of the impact on comet Temple I and because we used nuclear weapons.
This doesn't mean we will experience a Tunguska-like event on December 21, 2012.
It does mean that we shouldn't mess with space and nuclear weapons, as I have said numerous times.
Much will depend on how we will deal with the carmic issues that are coming up.
We can be taken out in a wink with a similar Solar flare as posted above, a Tunguska-like event or even a Gamma burst the kind like the one happened at the end of the 9/11 Phi- spiral, but closer at home.
It doesn't have to be that way but we have to understand our responsibilities
Now back to the ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005
We have already seen that this crash has happened with Venus at the same orbital position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, just like the 2 Golden Mean Phi points between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I as described above.
The ‘communication’ is ‘in the face’:
With these corresponding Venus positions, the Golden mean ratio and the relation to the Tunguska event, one might expect that this Augst 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’ crash should confirm the hidden underlying Design.
And the confirmation is unmistaken, giving profound meaning:
‘Tunguska’ happened on June 30, 1908
‘Hirhoshima’ crash happened on August 6, 2005
Timeframe from June 30, 1908 ‘Tunguska’ – August 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’crash:
35.466 days
Golden Mean Phi point: at day 35.466 / 2.61803399 ( Phi ) = day 13.547 from ‘Tunguska’.
Its august 2, 1945

Military Orders:
Field Orders 13 dated 2 August 1945 -- 14.9 mByte -- Orders issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE to attack targets in Japan on August 6, 1945 Primary: Hiroshima Industrial Area -- Secondary: Kokura Arsenal
Report Number 8 dated - Field Orders 13 - --490 KB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #13 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 6 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Hiroshima Raid
Report Number 9 - Field Orders 17 - --4.31 MB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #16 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 9 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Nagasaki Raid
http://beserfoundation.org/archive.htm
Around April 15, 2009 Venus will take the same orbital position again
see timeline Q2 2009:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=374&mforum=hddesign

[The Man]

Around April 15, 2009 Venus will take the same orbital position again
see timeline Q2 2009:



Let me guess something will happen and/or something won't happen "Around April 15, 2009" either way you will claim it as demonstrating your 'Hype' that will still remain without dimensions or a design. Can you tell us along what time line or orbital position you will actually give some dimensions and design to your dimensional design hype?

[Blue Mountain]

Hi Dutch,

(stuff snipped)
This means that Tunguska has happened in the past in our perspective of time, but that in fact Tunguska was an Intelligently Designed event because of the impact on comet Temple I and because we used nuclear weapons.
If Tunguska was intelligently designed, who or what is the intelligence that did the design?

Aside from your parlour game numerology, what does a meteor landing in northern Siberia (a natural event) have to do with us impacting a comet in space (a decidedly designed event)?

(More stuff snipped)
‘Tunguska’ happened on June 30, 1908
‘Hirhoshima’ crash happened on August 6, 2005
Timeframe from June 30, 1908 ‘Tunguska’ – August 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’crash:
35,466 days
(bolding and alteration mine)To ward off the risk of other North Americans misreading your example, I'll point out that Dutch is using the European separator (.) where we in North America would use a comma.

Golden Mean Phi point: at day 35,466 / 2.61803399 ( Phi ) = day 13,547 from ‘Tunguska’. It's august 2, 1945
Please provide the reason why you divided 35,466 days (a number derived by linking two completely unrelated events) by Phi, as opposed to, say, multiplying by Pi, or the dividing by number of orbits of Mercury (or Mars) in Earth days (or indeed dividing by the number of days in a Martian year as expressed in Mercury days, Earth Days, or Mars days.)

Military Orders:
Field Orders 13 dated 2 August 1945 -- 14.9 mByte -- Orders issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE to attack targets in Japan on August 6, 1945 Primary: Hiroshima Industrial Area -- Secondary: Kokura Arsenal
Report Number 8 dated - Field Orders 13 - --490 KB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #13 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 6 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Hiroshima Raid
Report Number 9 - Field Orders 17 - --4.31 MB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #16 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 9 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Nagasaki Raid
http://beserfoundation.org/archive.htm
Yeah, there was thing called the Second World War happening at the time. Military orders were being issued every day!

Around April 15, 2009 Venus will take the same orbital position again
You mean these orbits that you describe as meaningless when anyone tries to analyse them, but somehow take on meaning when you need them to?

Dutch, you're just digging a deeper hole here.

[Dutch]

'Tunguska' synchronicity on March 26, the day I posted about the Tunguska event in Russia and it's correlations with Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, the end of the Mayan Calendar and ultimately the destiny of mankind.
Tunguska happened in Siberia on June 30, 1908 but the supposed meteor has vever been found
Jesus Christ's face appears on broken meteorite
26.03.2009
Russian scientists noticed the image of Jesus Christ on the meteorite which fell down on the Earth about 100 years ago. The image is identical to the one that appears on the Shroud of Turin.
The meteorite cracked into two as it rammed into the planet in the Far East of Russia. The image of Jesus Christ’s face can be seen on the split. The meteorite was dubbed Boguslavka, after the village where it had been found. The face of Jesus Christ on the meteorite is just the same as on the Shroud of Turin, the linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, Italy. It is believed by many to be the cloth placed on Jesus of Nazareth at the time of his burial.
The meteorite is now kept at the Moscow-based Geological Museum.
“The Boguslavka meteorite fell down in the Far East, 220 kilometers from Vladivostok. All the people in the village were watching the meteorite falling. One of the villagers even made a drawing of the remarkable phenomenon with water colors,” says Michael Nazarov, the head of the museum.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/tunguska.jpg
Russian scientists paid attention to the image of Jesus Christ on the meteorite only a short while ago. They were really surprised to find such an image. They at once recollected the Shroud of Turin, the greatest Christian relic. A face with a beard and moustache, a high forehead and a long nose is clearly seen on the iron meteorite.
“Boguslavka Meteorite has a unique large-granular structure and it is considered to be the most beautiful of all meteorites known to man,” says Michael Nazarov.
Click here to see more images of Boguslavka Meteorite:
http://life.ru/video/9321
http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/107305-Boguslavka_Meteorite-0

[Paulhoff]

Yes, the religious Dutch comes out of the closet, things have cleared up even more.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

Dutch, is it at all possible for you to post without using huge chunks of other people's opinions with no proper attribution?

[Paul]

Jesus Christ's face appears on broken meteoriteIt's not the Messiah, it's a very naughty rock.

It doesn't look like jesus, it doesn't even look like the image on the Turin shroud; it appears to be a case of culturally influenced pareidolia.

[Dutch]

Blue, Phi points have been discussed

Are you saying that military orders to drop an atomic bomb are given every day?

[Dutch]

Paul(hof)

I take it as it comes, I can't help it you fail to see the synchronicity

[Dutch]

Dutch, is it at all possible for you to post without using huge chunks of other people's opinions with no proper attribution?

I don't think I get you here

[Dutch]

No, I'm not getting on the boat because when I got to the harbour, not only was the boat not going anywhere, it was holed below the waterline, had no lifeboats and the engine had seized.

not that boat, take a look at the timeline for Q2 2009.

[Dutch]

focus is on tomorrow and March 31, but we must not forget that the 'Srebrenica karma' theme is coming up soon:
April 7, 2009 - 'Srebrenica karma'
read related info here in this post:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=7879&mforum=hddesign#7879
Q1 2009 timeline , January - February - March
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=368&mforum=hddesign
Q2 2009 Timeline, April, May and June 2009
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=374&mforum=hddesign

[Blue Mountain]

Blue, Phi points have been discussed
That in no way answers the question I asked. I'll repeat it for your benefit:

Please provide the reason why you divided 35,466 days (a number derived by linking two completely unrelated events) by Phi, as opposed to, say, multiplying by Pi, or the dividing by number of orbits of Mercury (or Mars) in Earth days (or indeed dividing by the number of days in a Martian year as expressed in Mercury days, Earth Days, or Mars days.)




Are you saying that military orders to drop an atomic bomb are given every day?
Why is the day on which the order was issued more important than a really noticeable and well-remembered day, such as the day on which the bomb was actually dropped?

[Dutch]

because the Phi points between Tunguska and Deep Impact aswel as the Hirhoshima crash, coincided with the political decission and the military order.

2 moments in our history that made the dropping of atomic bombs inevitable

This is about responsibilities

This is about consciousness

You don't blame the crew of the Elonay Gay for being responsible for dropping fat boy, do you?

[Dutch]

because you are apparently eager on replying instead of reading:

there are 2 Phi points between 2 random events , spiralling inwards and outwards

The first determined devided by 1.61803399 rounded, the latter by 2.61803399 rounded

[Paulhoff]

Paul(hof)

I take it as it comes, I can't help it you fail to see the synchronicity
You show none, you just post any news that you what, you don't show how they tie into the planets. You do not know what a science proof is. I should ask this thread to be moved to General Skepticism and The Paranormal.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

because the Phi points between Tunguska and Deep Impact aswell as the Hiroshima crash, coincided with the political decision and the military order. So you're admitting that dates are only important because they allow you to claim a pattern, not because any event is actually socially, politically, or historically important.


2 moments in our history that made the dropping of atomic bombs inevitableYou don't seem to have much understanding of politics or the military; the orders were issued on August 2nd but that didn't make the bombing inevitable at all, let alone the bombing of Hiroshima.

The mission could have been scrubbed completely, delayed by weather or politics, or the alternate targets used.

Out of curiosity, what is the other moment?


This is about responsibilities Complete piffle; I'm no more responsible for the deployment of nuclear weapons than Blue Mountain is responsible for the Point Ellice Bridge Disaster.


This is about consciousnessVague new-age nonsense.


You don't blame the crew of the Elonay Gay for being responsible for dropping fat boy, do you?I don't blame anyone, apparently that's your job.

By the way, it's Enola Gay, the pilot's mother.

[Paul]

I don't think I get you hereIt's quite simple, many of your posts consist of large chunks of unattributed text which is only distinguishable from your own if links are followed and articles examined.

[Paul]

there are 2 Phi points between 2 random events , spiralling inwards and outwardsHow do you know this? Guesses don't count.

The first determined devided by 1.61803399 rounded, the latter by 2.61803399 roundedWhy those numbers, why the rounding, and why do you not use the same precision in relation to actual events?

[Blue Mountain]

Dutch, way back in post #439, you said (in part):
n response to my posts about this HD Octahedron timeframe, someone at another forum asked me about the Tunguska 1908 event, because she thought it must figure in somehow. I considered this to be a synchronicity and look what popped up instantly, I replied to her:
I must say that I nearly fell out of my chair. I had to think of Deep Impact on Independance Day July 4, 2005.
at Phi point:
July 20, 1945
Can you show the computations for how you arrived at the Phi date of July 20, 1945? How is this related to the August 2, 1945 date?

[Blue Mountain]

Do you know what cherry-picking the data is, and can you explain to us why you feel you are immune from it?

because this is dealing with future events.

to look endlesly for correlations after a fact, just as long as it takes to find something that fits would be cherry picking. You disregard the timimg of the postings and the 'instant' correlations that pop up after the initial intuitive thought or synchronicity
Dutch, how is trawling through the newswires not "endlessly looking for correlations after a fact"? A lot of the events that occur on your Phi timespirals are exactly that. I suggest that the "instant" correlations are rare, while correlations of the type "let's point out minor event X buried on page 4 of Google news and say it fits the timespiral" is much more common.

Your use of the date on which the order was issued for the Hiroshima bombing as opposed to the date everyone remembers--because it's the date on which the city was destroyed and all those people were killed--is a prime example of this. If you were an honest researcher, you'd have to say, "Darn it! The date's off by four days. Either my computation's wrong or my system's wrong."

[Hans]

My God Dutch you are still here

I find you all over the place. Still pushing this nonsense I see!

Ah guys, he posts this stuff all over the net - he's a kind of an intellectual version of an Uncle Remus tar baby.

You are wasting your time

At anomaly http://communities.anomalies.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=246843#Post246843

[Paulhoff]

My God Dutch you are still here

I find you all over the place. Still pushing this nonsense I see!

Ah guys, he posts this stuff all over the net - he's a kind of an intellectual version of an Uncle Remus tar baby.

You are wasting your time

At anomaly http://communities.anomalies.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=246843#Post246843
Yes, it is funny, that in all this time he hasn't learned a thing.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Hans]

Yeah he has these years long threads with loads of mental masturbation in them, and nothing of value at all.

Enjoy talking to him

[Paul]

Enjoy talking to himI wouldn't exactly say enjoy...

[Dutch]

Dutch, way back in post #439, you said (in part):

Can you show the computations for how you arrived at the Phi date of July 20, 1945? How is this related to the August 2, 1945 date?

in part indeed

you are quoting without reading

We have made 2 big mistakes, the dropping of the atomic bombs and Deep Impact on comet Temple I

I think I have written hundreds of times as the 2 major underlying themes of our times: "don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space" or in other words.

On July 20, 1945 the US President decided to use nuclear weapons against Japan.

That was exactly at Phipoint between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.

This 'Hirhoshima crash' happend on August 6, 2005, creating a timeframe with the phipoint between Tunguska and this 'Hirhoshima crash' on August 2, 1945, when the military order was given to use nuclear weapons against Japan

Its unbelievable that people fail to see the signifigance of this

Tunguska and the 'Hirhoshima crash' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.

Tunguska is a warning

[The Man]

My God Dutch you are still here

I find you all over the place. Still pushing this nonsense I see!

Ah guys, he posts this stuff all over the net - he's a kind of an intellectual version of an Uncle Remus tar baby.

You are wasting your time

At anomaly http://communities.anomalies.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=246843#Post246843


Yes, it is funny, that in all this time he hasn't learned a thing.

Paul

:) :) :)



Well what can you expect, I mean just imagine if you were like Dutch with a learning timeline based on a tetrahedral double golden mean PI inward spiral orbit of Uranus.

[AWPrime]

in part indeed

you are quoting without reading

We have made 2 big mistakes, the dropping of the atomic bombs and Deep Impact on comet Temple I

I think I have written hundreds of times as the 2 major underlying themes of our times: "don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space" or in other words.

On July 20, 1945 the US President decided to use nuclear weapons against Japan.

That was exactly at Phipoint between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.

This 'Hirhoshima crash' happend on August 6, 2005, creating a timeframe with the phipoint between Tunguska and this 'Hirhoshima crash' on August 2, 1945, when the military order was given to use nuclear weapons against Japan

Its unbelievable that people fail to see the signifigance of this

Tunguska and the 'Hirhoshima crash' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.

Tunguska is a warningI see a lack of computations.

[Dutch]

look better

[Blue Mountain]

Dutch, way back in post #439, you said (in part):

Can you show the computations for how you arrived at the Phi date of July 20, 1945? How is this related to the August 2, 1945 date?

in part indeed

you are quoting without reading
(much irrelevant stuff snipped)
Dutch, this is an example of why we continue to engage you, and why we often get frustrated.

Who is the one not reading here? You absolutely did not answer my question!

In post 439, you mentioned a Phi date of July 20, 1945, based on the Tunguska event and Deep Impact performing its mission at comet Temple 1. In post number 1450 you used the same two events but this time the Phi date is August 2, 1945. I asked you to show how you arrived at your first date (July 20). At the very least I expected you to show the computation that got you the July 20 result. Instead all I got was a bunch of unrelated stuff.

Now please answer the question. How did you arrive at the July 20, 1945 date that you refer to in post #439?

[AWPrime]

look better
Reads it again.... nope, still just statements.

[Paul]

We have made 2 big mistakes, the dropping of the atomic bombs and Deep Impact on comet Temple IDemonstrate that, in any way, Deep Impact was a mistake.


I think I have written hundreds of times as the 2 major underlying themes of our times: "don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space"You might have said it a lot, but we have repeatedly demonstrated no such major themes exist.


On July 20, 1945 the US President decided to use nuclear weapons against Japan. Oh, now july 20 is important.


That was exactly at Phipoint between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.How do you get that?

The difference between the two dates divided by phi and the result added to Tunguska to give a phi point shows June 13 1968 at 22:54.

Ah, I see, for absolutely no genuine reason you went bacwards from deep impact and had to use July 20 because it is the only date you could use.

Did you check to see when Truman actually made the descision?


This 'Hirhoshima crash' happend on August 6, 2005, creating a timeframe with the phipoint between Tunguska and this 'Hirhoshima crash' on August 2, 1945, when the military order was given to use nuclear weapons against JapanDesperate gobbledygook


Its unbelievable that people fail to see the signifigance of thisNo it's not, as evidenced by the mathematical wriggling you have to do to get any result at all.


Tunguska is a warningWhat do space rocks warn us of, other than rocks in space?

[Paul]

Dutch, your pointless refusal to explain how you do things is very childish.

You have been asked many times, including recently, but seem to think that either we won't work it out, won't understand it or that we will understand and that will be a problem.


As for the phi dates, if anyone's interested:
find accurate dates and times for the events
convert them to GMT
convert them to Julian dates
find the difference and divide by 1.6180339887
add or subtract this result to or from one of your dates
convert the new date back to a calendar date
Given that this method is accurate to within a second using the US Navy's Julian Date Converter and can also be used to calculate your spirals, why are your calculations so vague?

[Dutch]

Besides this Jesus Christ's face appearing on a broken meteorite (actually or ‘conditioning’) as ‘Tunguska synchronicity’, there was another ‘confirmation’ during that same timeframe:
On March 25 it was published that for the first time, scientists have matched a meteorite found on Earth with a specific asteroid that became a fireball plunging through the sky.
Astronomers tracked a small non-threatening asteroid heading toward Earth before it became a "shooting star" - something they had not done before. It blew up in the sky and scientists thought there would be no space rocks left to examine, But a painstaking search by dozens of students through the remote Sudan desert came up with four kilograms of black jagged rocks - leftovers from the asteroid 2008 TC3.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090325/world/science_asteroid_match_1 (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090325/world/science_asteroid_match_1)

The symbolism of this synchronicity is clear: This is about the real origin of meteorites, this is about the real origin and meaning of the ‘Tunguska event’.

The time frame around March 28 was identified as Golden Mean Phi linked to the flight 522 crash in Marathon, Greece on August 14, 2005 and this years flight 1549 Hudson crash landing.

The flight 522 crash is one of the major events that play an important role inn this ‘Hyper Dimensional Design reasearch’, it stands for “running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation", the people onboard flight 522 were frozen to death.

The flight 1549 Hudson crash landing is showing us that we can land this plane safe with no casualties.

I expected a related event for around March 28 but of course I didn’t knew what to expect.

In a previous post I already mentioned that ‘Tunguska' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.

Tunguska is a warning

And it is ‘Tunguska’ again that finds expression on this anticipated timeframe around March 28:

Published on March 27, Golden Mean linked to Flight 522 & 1549 crashes:

And again it is about the real origin of the ‘Tunguska event’:

Was the Tunguska Fireball a Comet Chemical Bomb?

March 27th, 2009

Over a century ago, on June 30th, 1908 a huge explosion detonated over an unpopulated region of Russia called Tunguska. It is probably one of the most enduring mysteries of this planet. What could cause such a huge explosion in the atmosphere, with the energy of a thousand Hiroshima atomic bombs, flattening a forest the area of Luxembourg and yet leaving no crater? It is little wonder that the Tunguska event has become great material for science fiction writers; how could such a huge blast, that shook the Earth's magnetic field and lit up the Northern Hemisphere skies for three days leave no crater and just a bunch of flattened, scorched trees?


http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/27/was-the-tunguska-fireball-a-comet-chemical-bomb/ (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/27/was-the-tunguska-fireball-a-comet-chemical-bomb/)

The destiny of mankind is in our hands, we will keep on running towards nuclear devastation or we will crash land safe, the probability of the latter goes hand in hand to what extend we will be able to listen to ‘Tunguska’s warning’.
“Don’t mess with nuclear power ( Hirhoshima/Nagasaki) and stay out of space ( Deep impact on Tempe I )”

[Dutch]

Dutch, this is an example of why we continue to engage you, and why we often get frustrated.

Who is the one not reading here? You absolutely did not answer my question!

In post 439, you mentioned a Phi date of July 20, 1945, based on the Tunguska event and Deep Impact performing its mission at comet Temple 1. In post number 1450 you used the same two events but this time the Phi date is August 2, 1945. I asked you to show how you arrived at your first date (July 20). At the very least I expected you to show the computation that got you the July 20 result. Instead all I got was a bunch of unrelated stuff.

Now please answer the question. How did you arrive at the July 20, 1945 date that you refer to in post #439?

Sigh....

You really don't read, I will write it once again for you, side by side, maybe you will manage this time

July 20, 1945 is Phipoint between Tuunguska and Deep Impact ( political / Hirhoshima-Nagasaki )

June 30, 1908 - July 4, 2005 = 35.433 days
35.433 / 2.61803399 = 13.534 days ( Phi point )
June 30, 1908 - July 20, 1945 = 13.534 day Phipoint

August 2, 1945 is Phipoint between and the 'Hirhoshima crash'. ( military / Hirhoshima-Nagasaki )

June 30, 1908 - August 6, 2005 = 35.466
35.466 / 2.61803399 = 13.547 day ( Phi point )
June 30, 1908 - August 2, 1945 = 13.547 days Phipoint

[Dutch]

Dutch, your pointless refusal to explain how you do things is very childish.

You have been asked many times, including recently, but seem to think that either we won't work it out, won't understand it or that we will understand and that will be a problem.


As for the phi dates, if anyone's interested:
find accurate dates and times for the events
convert them to GMT
convert them to Julian dates
find the difference and divide by 1.6180339887
add or subtract this result to or from one of your dates
convert the new date back to a calendar date
Given that this method is accurate to within a second using the US Navy's Julian Date Converter and can also be used to calculate your spirals, why are your calculations so vague?

Paul.......

A phi spiral can go inwards or outwards. How is it possible that you don't know that as I have applied the inward and outward spiral numerous time in this HDDesign research.
Why don't you try to read and understand first? It really is all there.
It looks as if I have to help you out with everything, while it could be expected that you at least understand these basic elements.
You arew replying on this material and it appears now you don't even understand the clear basics. No wonder it seems abracadabra to you

[Dutch]

just in case you don't get it:

Phipoint 'inwards' between 2 events : devided by 1.61803399
Phipoint 'outwards'between 2 event : devided by 2.61803399

[Paulhoff]

You have not shown how any of you so-called numbers links to anything outside of you just picking anything that happens in the news that you want and/or think is related, and it is always after it happens.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Blue Mountain]

Sigh....

You really don't read, I will write it once again for you, side by side, maybe you will manage this time

July 20, 1945 is Phipoint between Tuunguska and Deep Impact ( political / Hirhoshima-Nagasaki )
...

August 2, 1945 is Phipoint between and the 'Hirhoshima crash'. ( military / Hirhoshima-Nagasaki )
...
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

In my defense, I missed the fact you were tying the Tunguska event to the "Hiroshima crash" event. In my mind the two are completely and utterly unrelated in any way whatsoever.

Now back to the ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005
We have already seen that this crash has happened with Venus at the same orbital position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, just like the 2 Golden Mean Phi points between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I as described above.
What? Can you please connect the dots for me here? How do you get from:

A meteor event in Russia in June 1908
to a plane crash in Hiroshima in August 1986 (an event so minor and insignificant that I can't find any references to it on Google)
to the position of Venus in 2012?

[Paul]

Besides this Jesus Christ's face appearing on a broken meteorite (actually or ‘conditioning’)It doesn't look like jesus, it doesn't even look like the image on the Turin shroud.


The symbolism of this synchronicity is clear: This is about the real origin of meteorites, this is about the real origin and meaning of the ‘Tunguska event’. What symbolism? What are you talking about?


The flight 522 crash is one of the major events that play an important role inn this ‘Hyper Dimensional Design reasearch’In your entirely unsupported opinion.


it stands for “running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation"Why would it stand for that?

Haven't you read any of the replies to your apparent nuclear panic posts?


the people onboard flight 522 were frozen to death.No they weren't, autopsies showed that all were alive when the 'plane crashed,

Your frozen statement demonstrates the usual lack of proper or accurate research; the text message you refer to was shown to be a hoax for which the perpetrator received a suspended prison sentence.


The flight 1549 Hudson crash landing is showing us that we can land this plane safe with no casualties.That is a very desperate attempt at finding significance.


In a previous post I already mentioned that ‘Tunguska' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact. You mentioned it but you failed to provide any evidence as to why it should be regarded as marking anything.


Tunguska is a warningWhat do space rocks warn us of, other than rocks in space?


The destiny of mankind is in our hands, we will keep on running towards nuclear devastationAre you living in the nineteen eighties?


“Don’t mess with nuclear power ( Hirhoshima/Nagasaki) and stay out of space ( Deep impact on Tempe I )”I notice you still haven't actually supplied any evidence of either of these allegedly important themes.

[Paul]

Paul.......

A phi spiral can go inwards or outwards. How is it possible that you don't know that as I have applied the inward and outward spiral numerous time in this HDDesign research.Given your abuse of mathematical terms it is not unlikely that you have your own special rules.

A spiral can only go in one direction from the initiating event.


You arew replying on this material and it appears now you don't even understand the clear basics. You mean the clear basics you repeatedly mention but have continually refused to supply?


No wonder it seems abracadabra to youIt seems abracadabra because it's not real.

[Blue Mountain]

'Tunguska' synchronicity on March 26, the day I posted about the Tunguska event in Russia and it's correlations with Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, the end of the Mayan Calendar and ultimately the destiny of mankind.
Tunguska happened in Siberia on June 30, 1908 but the supposed meteor has vever been found

Jesus Christ's face appears on broken meteorite
26.03.2009
Russian scientists noticed the image of Jesus Christ on the meteorite which fell down on the Earth about 100 years ago. The image is identical to the one that appears on the Shroud of Turin.
The meteorite cracked into two as it rammed into the planet in the Far East of Russia. The image of Jesus Christ’s face can be seen on the split. The meteorite was dubbed Boguslavka, after the village where it had been found. The face of Jesus Christ on the meteorite is just the same as on the Shroud of Turin, the linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, Italy. It is believed by many to be the cloth placed on Jesus of Nazareth at the time of his burial.
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Russian scientists paid attention to the image of Jesus Christ on the meteorite only a short while ago. They were really surprised to find such an image. They at once recollected the Shroud of Turin, the greatest Christian relic. A face with a beard and moustache, a high forehead and a long nose is clearly seen on the iron meteorite.
“Boguslavka Meteorite has a unique large-granular structure and it is considered to be the most beautiful of all meteorites known to man,” says Michael Nazarov.

Click here to see more images of Boguslavka Meteorite:
http://life.ru/video/9321
http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/107305-Boguslavka_Meteorite-0
This is a bit sloppy of you; you should have put the article text into a quote box as I just did. Also, this is a violation of Rule 4, since you posted the entire article.


Second, what on earth does this have to do with the Tunguska event? It's not even the same meteorite!

Third, are you aware that the Shroud of Turin is a forgery, and has been known as such since it first came to light the 14th century?

[Paul]

just in case you don't get it:

Phipoint 'inwards' between 2 events : devided by 1.61803399
Phipoint 'outwards'between 2 event : devided by 2.61803399All you are doing by using 2.6 is calculating both phi points on a line starting from the same end of the line, phi is still 1.6180339887.

It's not clever or difficult but it also doesn't mean anything and it doesn't explain your appalling lack of accuracy.

[Dutch]

and what to think of this synchronicity:
picture deleted because of forum rules
Another Meteor? No, Russian Rocket
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/30/another-meteor-no-russian-rocket/#more-28171
Residents of Virginia in the US reported hearing booms and seeing flashes of light Sunday night, and originally, it was reported to be another possible meteor. But now officials from the U.S. Naval Observatory say it was likely the second stage of the Russian Soyuz rocket falling back to Earth. http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/30/another-meteor-no-russian-rocket/#more-28171

[Dutch]

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

In my defense, I missed the fact you were tying the Tunguska event to the "Hiroshima crash" event. In my mind the two are completely and utterly unrelated in any way whatsoever.




Can you please connect the dots for me here? How do you get from:

A meteor event in Russia in June 1908
to a plane crash in Hiroshima in August 1986 (an event so minor and insignificant that I can't find any references to it on Google)
to the position of Venus in 2012?

The hirhoshima plane crash was on august 6, 2005, not 1986.

Its up to you what you do with it

[Dutch]

All you are doing by using 2.6 is calculating both phi points on a line starting from the same end of the line, phi is still 1.6180339887.

It's not clever or difficult but it also doesn't mean anything and it doesn't explain your appalling lack of accuracy.

A spiral always goes 2 ways so what is your problem? you really are wasting your time

[Dutch]

Second, what on earth does this have to do with the Tunguska event? It's not even the same meteorite!

Third, are you aware that the Shroud of Turin is a forgery, and has been known as such since it first came to light the 14th century?

I don't think your mindset is able to accept the signifigance of synchronicities. I advice you to let it rest because we are going nowhere this way. I will go on though

[Paulhoff]

The first two minutes is for you DUTCH, listen and maybe you'll learn something, but I don't think you will.

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Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

just tell me, I don't watch video's

[Blue Mountain]

I don't think your mindset is able to accept the signifigance of synchronicities.
It appears the term "synchronicity" means "a connection between two otherwise unrelated events that *I* manage to draw."

I advice you to let it rest because we are going nowhere this way. I will go on though.

Yes, I'm sure you will. You'll go on adding even more more constants, more links, more "synchronicities", more tortured arithmetic, and above all more "evidence", more weasel words, and more non-predictions based on more non-events, until eventually Hyper Dimensional Design achieves its ultimate goal: linking everything together while explaining nothing at all.

[Dutch]

It appears the term "synchronicity" means "a connection between two otherwise unrelated events that *I* manage to draw."

Its an intuitive thought or synchronicity yes, unveiling the hidden underlying design instantly. I talk about 'Tunguska' and suddenly these 'Tunguska' synchronicties are popping up. This happens all the time while doing my 'research'. I can be at work, have an idea, check it and recognize the synchronicities instantly. yes.