Hyper Dimensional Design

[dlorde]

Synchronicity has been described as "the co-incident occurrence of two or more causally unrelated events that have the same meaning" [my italics]. It is that last part that causes all the problems, because meaning is something imposed on events by us.

Remember, Information is not knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom; Wisdom is not truth; Truth is not beauty; Beauty is not love; Love is not music; Music is the best.
Frank Zappa

[Dutch]

Yes, I'm sure you will. You'll go on adding even more more constants, more links, more "synchronicities", more tortured arithmetic, and above all more "evidence", more weasel words, and more non-predictions based on more non-events, until eventually Hyper Dimensional Design achieves its ultimate goal: linking everything together while explaining nothing at all.

The most profound explanation has just been given to you ( Tunguska ), you just dismiss it, taht's all. You need to look at the timing and content of my posts.

[Dutch]

The symbolism of this synchronicity is clear: This is about the real origin of meteorites, this is about the real origin and meaning of the ‘Tunguska event’.
Changing Opinions: Fireball Likely Not Part of Soyuz Rocket
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/31/changing-opinions-fireball-likely-not-part-of-soyuz-rocket/
Officials are now saying the bright fireball seen over Virginia in the US on Sunday was probably a natural meteor event and not part of a Russian rocket, a reversal from yesterday's initial analysis.

[AWPrime]

Its an intuitive thought or synchronicity yes, unveiling the hidden underlying design instantly. I talk about 'Tunguska' and suddenly these 'Tunguska' synchronicties are popping up. This happens all the time while doing my 'research'. I can be at work, have an idea, check it and recognize the synchronicities instantly. yes.Anything can be linked to everything, but that doesn't mean that any of those connections hold any meaning. It is for this reason that most people have a BS filter.

[Blue Mountain]

The most profound explanation has just been given to you ( Tunguska ), you just dismiss it, taht's all. You need to look at the timing and content of my posts.
I saw nothing profound at all. All I saw was you linking the Tunguska event to Deep Impact for reasons that I don't comprehend, and you linking that same event to a minor aircraft incident in Hiroshima for reasons that make no sense whatsoever.

And the second part of my conclusion still stands: even if they are linked in some fashion, they don't explain a darned thing.

[Paulhoff]

just tell me, I don't watch video's

If you can't watch Richard Feynman, it is your loss.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

I saw nothing profound at all. All I saw was you linking the Tunguska event to Deep Impact for reasons that I don't comprehend, and you linking that same event to a minor aircraft incident in Hiroshima for reasons that make no sense whatsoever.

And the second part of my conclusion still stands: even if they are linked in some fashion, they don't explain a darned thing.

" a minor aircraft incident in Hiroshima "

Blue.......I don't know if you deliberately changing my posts or that you are just plain...

That minor aircraft incident IN Hirhoshima you talk about are the moments of decission and the military order to drop an atomic bomb on Hirhoshima.

That's what I said

Read again

Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan.

This 'Hirshosima crash' ( reread previous posts about the identification ) happened on August 6 2005, THE moment with at Phi point in between Tunguska the moment the military order to use nuclear weapons was given

So both Tunguska and the Hirhoshima crash happened on an intelligently designed moment in our perception of time, marking Deep Impact and Hirhoshima-Nagasaki.

they don't explain a darned thing

Tunguska can happen at any intelligently Designed moment in our perception of time, seems pretty obvious to me

[Dutch]

If you can't watch Richard Feynman, it is your loss.

Paul

:) :) :)

I can live with that, is it about destiny of mankind?

[Dutch]

April 8, 2009 - 2 Mars years in Earth days from Deep Impact on Templ I
Nuclear Tension North Korea
1 Mars year was on the timeline first half 2007:
May 22, 2007 - 1 Mars Year since Deep Impact
Ice Age blast 'ravaged America'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6676461.stm
picture deleted because of forum rules
New Clovis-Age Comet Impact Theory
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/New_Clovis_Age_Comet_Impact_Theory_999.html
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=229&mforum=hddesign
North Korea says it will send a communications satellite into orbit between April 4 and 8.
Timeline Q2, 2009
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=8127&mforum=hddesign#8127

[Paulhoff]

I can live with that, is it about destiny of mankind?
You're wrong, your loss.

Paul

:) :) :)

[sts60]

"don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space" You might have said it a lot, but we have repeatedly demonstrated no such major themes exist.
Well, I've said it before (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3198333#post3198333), but after all these pages it bears repeating that every nuclear power system launched by the U.S. (http://nuclear.energy.gov/space/neSpace2c.html) worked exactly as designed. And that list doesn't include the SNAP-10A reactor (1965) or the isotope heat sources aboard the three Mars rovers. It's curious, isn't it, that we'd have such success in the face of these "two major themes" combined? (Dutch's reply was classic: "It depends on what you mean by successful.")

Jupiter, brought to you courtesy of nuclear power in space:
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/316231main_jupiterio_226.jpg

Saturn, brought to you courtesy of nuclear power in space:
http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:NQBwXxQh6d25sM::photojournal.jpl.nasa .gov/jpeg/PIA06193.jpg

Uranian moon Miranda, brought to you courtesy of nuclear power in space:
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/images/uranus/18.jpg

Neptune, brought to you courtesy of nuclear power in space:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/thumbnail/planetary/neptune/neptune.gif

[Dutch]

I never said that we can't, I have always said that we shouldn't

that's something completely different

[Paul]

I never said that we can't, I have always said that we shouldn't

that's something completely differentNobody said you can't say we can't, we say you shouldn't say we shouldn't because your reasons do not use reason.

[Dutch]

I wouldn't dare not to say it

[dlorde]

I can live with that, is it about destiny of mankind?If you want to know what it is about, watch it :rolleyes:

By the way, the sinking of the Titanic and the Challenger space shuttle disaster are linked in a mysterious way that only I have figured out.

[Dutch]

Really?

Maybe you can tell me than what STS-28 has been doing in space

April 14, 2009

Earth at same orbittal position as during the first return (STS-1) to Earth of space shuttle Columbia

Space Shuttle Columbia (NASA Orbiter Vehicle Designation: OV-102) was the first spaceworthy space shuttle in NASA's orbital fleet. Its first mission, STS-1, lasted from April 12 to April 14, 1981. On February 1, 2003, Columbia disintegrated during re-entry over Texas, on its 28th mission, killing all seven crew members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia)

The last return of Columbia ended in desintegration on February 1, 2003.

The Golden Mean Phi point is again unveiling the hidden underlying Design

Phi point is August 12-13, 1989

and again space shuttle is returning from space, STS-28 is returning on the early morning of August 13, 1989

STS-28 was the third shuttle mission dedicated to United States Department of Defense, and first flight of Columbia since mission STS-61-C. The details of the mission are classified. The payload is widely believed to have been the first SDS-2 communications satellite. The mission was launched successfully on 8 August 1989. STS-28 lasted just over 5 days and traveled 2.1 million miles in 81 orbits of the earth. The altitude of the mission is classified, but based on the distance traveled and number of orbits, the altitude would have been between 220 km and 380 km. The shuttle landed at Edwards Air Force Base on runway 17.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-28)

I have already posted here in the HDDesign material that Columbia was taken out by Design.

I don't know what STS-28 was doing out there in space, but it seems they were crossing a red line.

[Paul]

Maybe you can tell me than what STS-28 has been doing in spaceNothing since August 13 1989 when it returned to earth; before that, it deployed two satellites for communications and surveillance.

Nothing unusual, sinister or alarming presaging the fall of man happened


Earth at same orbittal position as during the first return (STS-1) to Earth of space shuttle Columbia So? Every time we mention position you say it does not matter.


I have already posted here in the HDDesign material that Columbia was taken out by Design.One of many entirely baseless allegations.


I don't know what STS-28 was doing out there in spaceDon't be so lazy, it was easy to find out.


but it seems they were crossing a red line.More completely unsubstantiated nonsense and flapdoodle.

[Dutch]

Paul, don't split these posts. I have asked you before so why are you still doing it? Make your point in a seperate post.

At Phi point between the first and the last ( desintegration) re-entry of spaceshuttle columbia, Columbia re-entered from a classified military mission

keep that in mind for around april 14

[Paul]

Paul, don't split these posts. I have asked you before so why are you still doing it?Because the forum software is designed to enable messages to be addressed in discrete but thematically connected sections within one conveniently formatted post.


Make your point in a seperate post.It is not considered appropriate to make large numbers of individual replies to minor points of one post.


At Phi point between the first and the last ( desintegration) re-entry of spaceshuttle columbia, Columbia re-entered from a classified military missionSo? Anyway, the mission wasn't classified, only the precise nature of the payload.


keep that in mind for around april 14Why? Columbia doesn't exist anymore.



If you are having trouble using the quote function, try the help section at the right of the drop-down menus.

[Dutch]

refreshing your memory,

On November 9, 2007 I wrote the following:

When I was monitoring the space events around November 7, which are mentioned on the timeline, I had this idea to check if the Space Shuttle disasters with the Challenger and the Columbia would indicate a Phi point for the monitored timeframe

It appeared that it wasn't the case, Space Shuttle Columbia desintegrated on February 1, 2003 during re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere. The Space Shuttle Challenger disintegrated 73 seconds into its flight on January 28, 1986.
If these two events are considered to be 2 Phi points a a Phi based time spiral, than the next date inwards would be the timeframe between these events devided by the Golden Mean Phi:

number of days between the events: 6213 ( rounded in full days)
6213 / 1.61803399 = 3840 days

3840 days after February 1, 2003 gives August 6, 2013

comment today:
Here's this 'Hirhoshima' orbittal position again, an August 6, the same position of this 'Hirhoshima crash'on August 6, 2005, which led to the discovery of the Tunguska-Hirhoshima/Nagasaki correlation as outlined in previous posts. April 14, 2009 is directly linked to this 'Hirhoshima crash' with the same orbittal position of Venus and marking the anniversarry of the first re-entry of space shuttle Columbia.

I continued back in November 2007:
Although this is an interesting date ( Hirhoshima anniversary, 'stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power' / the 2 major underlying themes of our times) it is well in the future. Ofcourse this date will pop up on the future timelines but for the current timeframe I let it rest...until today.
Again I had to think about these two terrible disasters with the space shuttles and had this thought to look at the Phi point that hits the pattern spiralling outwards back in our perspective of time:
When I started to calculate the date I already had this feeling something profound would pop up. I could feel it in my stomage and hurried to see what the calculated date July 24, 1975 would give.
It was 'in the face'
On that day the last Apollo mission returned to Earth !
It was the time of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project:
"The Apollo-Soyuz Test Project was the first joint flight of the U.S. and Soviet space programs. The mission took place in July 1975. For the United States of America, it was the last Apollo flight, as well as the last manned space launch until the flight of the first Space Shuttle in April 1981.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo-Soyuz_Test_Project

comment today: so the disaster with the Challenger happened in fact at Phi point between this re-entry of the last manned Apollo and the re- entry of the Columbia, resulting in desintegration.

That means that both Challenger and Columbia were taken out by Design

On November 12, 2007 I wrote:
on the second hit further back in time on this Apollo - Space Shuttle Golden Mean Phi based timespiral:
January 19, 1965 - The unmanned Gemini 2 is launched on a suborbital test of various spacecraft systems.
Gemini 2 was the second spaceflight of the American human spaceflight program Project Gemini. Gemini 2, like Gemini 1, was an unmanned mission intended as a test flight of the Gemini spacecraft's heat shield. The flight was suborbital and was launched on a Titan II rocket. The mission's spacecraft later became the first to be flown into space twice when it was sent on an unmanned military mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_2
As this Golden Mean Phi based spiral goes inwards back in time, there's a timframe from where this spiral originates from in our perspective of time.
We go back to the timeframe around July 22 , 1958, based on the timeframe between the Space Shuttle disasters. Remember that the timeframe between the markers Challenger and Columbia was rounded to full days, the perfect Golden Mean spiral would put the start of the spiral a few days later than July 22, 1958
Explorer 4 was a US satellite launched on July 26, 1958. It was instrumented by Dr. James van Allen's group. The Department of Defense's Advanced Research Projects Agency had initially planned two satellites for the purposes of studying the Van Allen radiation belts and the effects of nuclear explosions upon these belts (and the Earth's magnetosphere in general), however Explorer IV was the only such satellite launched.
Explorer 4 was a cylindrically shaped satellite instrumented to make the first detailed measurements of charged particles (protons and electrons) trapped in the terrestrial radiation belts. An unexpected tumble motion of the satellite made the interpretation of the detector data very difficult. The low-power transmitter and the plastic scintillator detector failed September 3, 1958. The two Geiger-Mueller tubes and the caesium iodide crystal detectors continued to operate normally until September 19, 1958. The high-power transmitter ceased sending signals on October 5, 1958. It is believed that exhaustion of the power batteries caused these failures. The spacecraft decayed from orbit after 454 days on October 23, 1959.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explorer_IV
Operation Argus
Operation Argus was a series of nuclear weapons tests and missile tests secretly conducted during August and September of 1958, in the South Atlantic, by the Defense Nuclear Agency, in conjunction with the Explorer IV mission. Contractors from Lockheed Aircraft Corporation as well as a few personnel and contractors from the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission were on hand as well. The timeframe for Argus was substantially impacted due to the instability of the political environment (bans on atmospheric and exoatmospheric testing were forthcoming). Consequently, the tests were conducted within a mere half year of conception (whereas "normal" testing took one to two years).
The tests
About 1800 km southwest of Cape Town, South Africa, USS Norton Sound launched three modified X-17A missiles armed with 1.7 kt W-25 nuclear warheads into the upper atmosphere, where high altitude nuclear explosions took place. The (extreme) altitude of the tests was chosen so as to prevent personnel involved in the test from being exposed to any ionizing radiation [1].
Coordinated measurement programs involving satellite, rocket, aircraft, and surface stations were employed by the services as well as other government agencies and various contractors worldwide.
The tests were proposed by Nicholas Christofilos of what was then the Livermore branch of the Lawrence Radiation Laboratory (now Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory) as a means to verify the Christofilos theory, which argued that high-altitude nuclear detonations would create a radiation belt in the extreme upper regions of the Earth's atmosphere. Such belts would be similar in effect to the Van Allen radiation belts. Such radiation belts were viewed as having possible tactical use in war. Prior to Argus, Hardtack Teak had shown disruption of radio communications from a nuclear blast. However, this was not due to the creation of radiation belts.
The Argus explosions created artificial electron belts resulting from the β-decay of fission fragments. These lasted for several weeks. Such radiation belts affect radio and radar transmissions, damage or destroy arming and fusing mechanisms of intercontinental ballistic missile warheads, and endanger crews of orbiting space vehicles.
Argus proved the validity of Christofilos theory: the establishment of an electron shell derived from neutron and β-decay of fission products and ionization of device materials in the upper atmosphere was demonstrated. It not only provided data on military considerations, but produced a "great mass" of geophysical data.
The tests were first reported by the New York Times on March 19, 1959, headlining it as the "greatest scientific experiment ever conducted." Approximately nine ships and 4,500 people participated in the operation. After the completion of testing, the task force departed for the United States via Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Followed the Hardtack I series, but preceded Hardtack II.
While the tests were announced the following year, the full results and documentation of the tests were not declassified until 30 April 1982.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Argus

[Paulhoff]

That means that both Challenger and Columbia were taken out by Design
No, that would mean that there were design flaws, or poor designs, not woo-woo design.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

so the disaster with the Challenger happened in fact at Phi point between this re-entry of the last manned Apollo and the re- entry of the Columbia, resulting in desintegration.You seem to be either making an arbitrary decision that Apollo is somehow especially important, or you have failed to notice that Apollo-Soyuz was merely the last manned flight for NASA, Soyuz 21 was up in July 1976.

Which is it? and if it is the former, what is so special about Apollo?

[Broes]

'stay out of space and don't mess with nuclear power'

Is it with each and every little mishap that you are gonna yell this slogan again and again, claiming that we are being warned from a hidden dimension that we should refrain from going to space or utilise nuclear power?

Why is it that you see warnings in mishaps with these items and not for example in schoolbus traffic accidents?

[Dutch]

we must not forget that the 'Srebrenica karma' theme is coming up soon:
April 7, 2009 - 'Srebrenica karma'
read related info here in this post:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=7879&mforum=hddesign#7879
This date April 7, 2009 was in fact already pre-determined back in 2006 when the underlying timecoded pattern as linked to the 'Srebrenica massacre' was discovered. The underlying themes are outlined in the given link above, I wrote in January 2008:
The next Venus Year around January 13, 2008 came and I wrote:
"I expected developments around January 13, 2008 on the 'Balkan Karma' timecoded pattern, that found its origin with the Srebrenica Massacre back in July 1995, the biggest massacre in Europe since WWII. Peace keeping forces from The Netherlands were supposed to protect the muslims in UN safe haven srebrenica, but the troops surrendered to the Serbs when air support was refused. The Dutch soldiers didn't fight the Serbs and failed to protect the muslims.
As a result thousands of muslim men and boys were seperated from their families and shot to death in the area around Portocari while the Dutch soldiers eventually returned home safely.
This terrible theme finds its expressions in 2 already identified timecoded patterns, the first one is the 911 HD Tetrahedron based Golden Mean Phi timecoded spiral which is monitored in a seperate thread while the keydates are mentioned on the timelines.
The other one is the Venus based 'Balkan Karma' timecoded pattern which is also monitored in a seperate thread and determined this timeframe around January 13, 2008. This timeframe made me expect prior to March 11, 2006 that someone 'would be taken out by Design' in relation to this underlying theme and I posted it prior to the timeframe.
On the expected date Milosevic died in his prison.
This same underlying Venus based timecoded pattern took out Arkan and as I expected for the timeframe around June 2, 2007: Tolimir, the number 3 on the most wanted list, just after Mladic and Karadzic.
During that same timeframe the Gouvernment of the Netherlands was sued by the women of Srebrenica, who marched to the International Court in The Netherlands to file the legal documents.
I asked to keep an eye on Mladic and karadzic and on those (politically) responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre and look what actually happened during the timeframe:
2 Dutch soldiers killed in Afghanistan
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/6337205.html
Its the first time that 2 Dutch soldiers were killed on same day during this peacekeeping mission in Uruzgan. The soldiers were killed by friendly fire.
The troops that didn't protect the people of Srebrenica, the inital event of this timecoded pattern, are now killing their own on the next hit of the timecoded pattern
The 'message' becomes clear further down the timecoded pattern. Those responsible for the Srebrenica massacre will have to deal with their responsibilities sooner or later. The same underlying timecoded pattern that took out Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir and that brought the women of Srebrenica, who lost their men and sons, to The Netherlands in order to sue the Dutch gouvernment, is now showing this terrible incident with Dutch soldiers shooting at eachother killing 2 and wounding more.
The underlying Design is unveiling the profound truth behind the events in our reality. The decission not to protect the people of Srebrenica, with thousands of muslim men and boys shot to death as a result, is the same as killing your own.
This pattern will continue and shows a next hit in August 2008. Mladic and Karadzic are still out there. It could be that an related conviction will happen, or that they are arested. Or maybe it becomes clear who's responsible for the refusal of air support.
If these events around January 13 didn't convince you of the validity of the underlying Design, maybe the next hit will do with the given information in mind"
next date is around August 25, 2008 as mentioned on the timeline.
Another underlying theme that is linked to this specific pattern is the 'security issue' for Obama or Hillary, as we have already seen on the previous keydates on this timecoded pattern. See the related threads at the bottom for details.
Now this timeframe around April 7, 2009 showed these identified underlying themes again:
We have already seen that Dutch soldiers were klled by friendly fire on this specific pattern and now a Dutch soldier died by an attack on 'Kamp Holland'. Its the first time soldiers are hit at 'Kamp Holland'.
Nederlandse militair komt om in Afghanistan
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1944973/nederlandse-militair-komt-om-in-afghanistan.html
Dutch soldier killed in attack on kamp Holland
Dutch Soldier Killed in Afghanistan
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123908443279396277.html
SREBRENICA: NOT SAFE
KAMP HOLLAND : NOT SAFE
and again this timecoded pattern gives a 'security issue' for Obama:
April 6, 2009 -- Updated 0158 GMT (0958 HKT)
Plot to assassinate Obama foiled in Turkey
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/06/turkey.assassination.plot/index.html
related threads:
Q2 2009 Timeline, April, May and June 2009
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about374-hddesign.html
911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about87-hddesign.html
Balkan Karma Venus based
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about4-hddesign.html

[Dutch]

EUFOR in new Mladić search op.
7 April 2009 | 10:06 | Source: Beta
BANJA LUKA -- A strong EUFOR force has blocked the entrance and exit to the village of Han Pijesak in search of proof that could lead to Ratko Mladić’s arrest.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=07&nav_id=58345

[Blue Mountain]

This date April 7, 2009 was in fact already pre-determined back in 2006 when the underlying timecoded pattern as linked to the 'Srebrenica massacre' was discovered. The underlying themes are outlined in the given link above, I wrote in January 2008:

(quoted post snipped)

Another underlying theme that is linked to this specific pattern is the 'security issue' for Obama or Hillary, as we have already seen on the previous keydates on this timecoded pattern. See the related threads at the bottom for details.

See my comment below.

Now this timeframe around April 7, 2009 showed these identified underlying themes again:
We have already seen that Dutch soldiers were klled by friendly fire on this specific pattern and now a Dutch soldier died by an attack on 'Kamp Holland'. Its the first time soldiers are hit at 'Kamp Holland'.
Nederlandse militair komt om in Afghanistan
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1944973/nederlandse-militair-komt-om-in-afghanistan.html
Dutch soldier killed in attack on kamp Holland
Dutch Soldier Killed in Afghanistan
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123908443279396277.html
SREBRENICA: NOT SAFE
KAMP HOLLAND : NOT SAFE
There is no connection between the events in Sebrenica with the events in Afghanistan aside from the fact Dutch soldiers were involved. By that logic you can connect any two events in the world where soldiers of the same army are present. So that means a snowstorm in Toronto (where soldiers were involved with assisting people with medical emergencies get to the hospital) is mysteriously connected to peacekeeping operations in Cyprus (where Canadian soldiers were stationed from 1963 to the mid 1990s.)

and again this timecoded pattern gives a 'security issue' for Obama:
April 6, 2009 -- Updated 0158 GMT (0958 HKT)
Plot to assassinate Obama foiled in Turkey
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/06/turkey.assassination.plot/index.html

From the article (bolding mine)
But the officials strongly cautioned that American presidents are frequent targets of threats that are all watched very carefully, and in this case the alleged plotter did not appear to get anywhere close to Obama during his European tour.
Yawn. Yet another non-event. And I note the plot itself was foiled last week. Once again you are confusing the date of the report of an event with the event itself. We call that "cherry-picking the data."

[Blue Mountain]

" a minor aircraft incident in Hiroshima "

Blue.......I don't know if you deliberately changing my posts or that you are just plain...

That minor aircraft incident IN Hirhoshima you talk about are the moments of decission and the military order to drop an atomic bomb on Hirhoshima.

That's what I said
No, the "minor" incident I'm referring to is the one on August 8, 2005. Even after putting the correct date into Google I can find no references to news of this incident. That's why I classify it as minor.

Read again

Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan.

This 'Hirshosima crash' ( reread previous posts about the identification ) happened on August 6 2005, THE moment with at Phi point in between Tunguska the moment the military order to use nuclear weapons was given
Wrong. The important dates in the Hiroshima bombing are

July 26, 1945: The Potsdam Declaration. Truman had already made the decision to use the bomb if the Japanese did not surrender.
August 8, 1945: The date everybody remembers.

Frankly, the military orders mean nothing. It's just part of the process, as was the transport of the bombs to the base, planning of the attack itself, the selection of the aircraft and crew, and the actual mission.

So both Tunguska and the Hirhoshima crash happened on an intelligently designed moment in our perception of time, marking Deep Impact and Hirhoshima-Nagasaki.

Tunguska can happen at any intelligently Designed moment in our perception of time, seems pretty obvious to me
To you, perhaps. Not at all to me.

[Blue Mountain]

Second, what on earth does this have to do with the Tunguska event? It's not even the same meteorite!

Third, are you aware that the Shroud of Turin is a forgery, and has been known as such since it first came to light the 14th century?

I don't think your mindset is able to accept the signifigance of synchronicities. I advice you to let it rest because we are going nowhere this way. I will go on though
Dutch, given that the Shroud of Turin is a forgery, why do you want to use it to demonstrate HDD? Synchronicity should mean nothing if one of the two things you're linking together is fake!

[Dutch]

The Prime Minister of the Netherlands talks about a cowardly attack on 'Kamp Holland', which killed a Dutch soldier.
Balkenende: laffe aanval op Kamp Holland
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3651901/__Balkenende__laffe_aanval__.html?p=2,1
Remember this is about Srebrenica karma and the Prime Minister back in 1995 was ultimately politically co-responsible for the lack of protection that was given to the people in UN safe haven Srebrenica.
Cowardly, that's what he said.
Its the difference between being photographed on the the left- or right side of this picture:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/april72.jpg
Terror threat remains for The Netherlands:
Kans op aanslag in Nederland blijft
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3663016/__Kans_op_aanslag_in_Nederland_blijft__.html?p=2,1
These kind of 'Srebrenica karma' expressions were expected for around April 7, just like during the previous identified keydates on these timecoded patterns.
It has found expression via the 911 ( Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron ) based Pim Fortuyn- Theo van Gogh Golden Mean timecoded spiral as explained in the HDDesign material.
Pim fortuyn:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/pim_Fortuyn_athmb.jpg
Theo van Gogh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/theo-van-gogh_web.jpg
again the underlying themes are expressed, announced on April 7:
Leon de Winter writes a thriller about Mohammed B., the killer of Theo van Gogh !!!!
Leon de Winter schrijft thriller over Mohammed B.
http://www.debeurs.nl/cultuur/298228/Leon-de-Winter-schrijft-thriller-over-Mohammed-B.html
Here's another 'security issue' for Obama expressed on April 7
Libya's Gaddafi says fears Obama assassination
Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi Tuesday called Barack Obama a "flicker of hope in the middle of the imperialist darkness," but said he feared the president could be assassinated.
Gaddafi, known for his controversial statements, did not say who might want to kill Obama but gave the examples of the assassinations of Presidents John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, as well as black rights leader Martin Luther King.
"I fear that they could liquidate this young man or force him to submit to their imperialist policies," Gaddafi told a university gathering of his supporters in Sirte, without specifying who might put Obama under pressure.
"Obama is a flicker of hope in the middle of the imperialist darkness," the Libyan leader said, adding: "There is a fear that they would liquidate him as they liquidated Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln."
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5365VK20090407?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true
The assassination of Abram Lincoln is on the timeline for April 14-15

[Dutch]

There is no connection between the events in Sebrenica with the events in Afghanistan aside from the fact Dutch soldiers were involved. By that logic you can connect any two events in the world where soldiers of the same army are present. So that means a snowstorm in Toronto (where soldiers were involved with assisting people with medical emergencies get to the hospital) is mysteriously connected to peacekeeping operations in Cyprus (where Canadian soldiers were stationed from 1963 to the mid 1990s.)


yes there is, I have been monitoring these patterns since several years, you can read it in the given threads. You refuse to see it, that's something else

[Dutch]

Yawn. Yet another non-event. And I note the plot itself was foiled last week. Once again you are confusing the date of the report of an event with the event itself. We call that "cherry-picking the data."


Its the 5th time in a row that such a thing occurs with this 'Obama security issue' . THIS IS NOT CHERRY- PICKING! the dates are pre-determined.

[Paulhoff]

yes there is, I have been monitoring these patterns since several years, you can read it in the given threads. You refuse to see it, that's something else
There is nothing there like you say it is, Dutch you have a problem, get help.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

No, the "minor" incident I'm referring to is the one on August 8, 2005. Even after putting the correct date into Google I can find no references to news of this incident. That's why I classify it as minor.


Because you are stilkl using incorrect data. Hirhoshima happened on an August 6, the crash on August 6, 2005. The crash popped up by synchronicity as outlined in previous posts and the link was gievn

[Dutch]

Wrong. The important dates in the Hiroshima bombing are

July 26, 1945: The Potsdam Declaration. Truman had already made the decision to use the bomb if the Japanese did not surrender.
August 8, 1945: The date everybody remembers.


2 times wrong

Truman made the political decission to use nuclear weapons on July 20, 1945

and nothing happened on August 8, 1945, as almost everybody knows.

August 6 and 9, Hirhoshima - Nagasaki

I am wasting my time with you, you need to do better than this if you expect me to continue to answer your replies

[Dutch]

Frankly, the military orders mean nothing. It's just part of the process, as was the transport of the bombs to the base, planning of the attack itself, the selection of the aircraft and crew, and the actual mission.


befehl ist befehl right?

[Dutch]

Dutch, given that the Shroud of Turin is a forgery, why do you want to use it to demonstrate HDD? Synchronicity should mean nothing if one of the two things you're linking together is fake!


Why can't a lie not be a synchronicity?

I have even said that HDDEsign will eventually be stronger than every lie

These are all expressions of consciousness.

[Dutch]

To you, perhaps. Not at all to me.


yes I know and almost everybody will agree with you. Doesn't mean you are right

[Blue Mountain]

2 times wrong

Truman made the political decission to use nuclear weapons on July 20, 1945

and nothing happened on August 8, 1945, as almost everybody knows.

August 6 and 9, Hirhoshima - Nagasaki

I am wasting my time with you, you need to do better than this if you expect me to continue to answer your replies
:blush: That's what I get for posting at 3:00 in the morning because I couldn't get to sleep. I guess I was more tired than I thought.

However, you are wrong when you said "nothing happened on August 8, 1945." True, nothing happened as far as atomic bombs being dropped is concerned, aside from the preparations for the bombing in Nagasaki. But on that date the United States signed the United Nations charter. Does that count for anything?

[Blue Mountain]

befehl ist befehl right?
Yes, only following orders. Soldiers following orders is hardly noteworthy.

[Blue Mountain]

Its the 5th time in a row that such a thing occurs with this 'Obama security issue' . THIS IS NOT CHERRY- PICKING! the dates are pre-determined.
I note you completely failed to address my point that the date you keyed on was the date the news was reported, not the date on which it happened.

The dates are not predetermined. In fact, by rolling dice I could generate a bunch of totally random dates and declare there will be an "Obama or Biden security issue" on those dates, +/- 1 day, and chances are pretty good there will be a report on (or close to) those dates.

[Blue Mountain]

yes I know and almost everybody will agree with you. Doesn't mean you are right

Ockham's razor states:
When multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. (Wikipedia)
You provide a fantastical, inordinately complex numerological (or should that be numeroillogical?) system totally unsupported by mathematics, physics, and astronomy to weave together a massive web of "synchronicities" that you think explains current events. As skeptics we apply tools that are designed to prevent us from fooling ourselves. In all the cases we've examined here, these tools provide a more mundane explanation for why events appear to be related.

We are convinced the mundane explanation trumps the Hyper Dimensional Design explanation, because the mundane satisfactorily answers the the question "Why do these events appear to be related?" without having to invoke hyperdimensional octahedrons, phi timespirals, or anything of the sort.

[Blue Mountain]

Why can't a lie not be a synchronicity?

I have even said that HDDEsign will eventually be stronger than every lie

These are all expressions of consciousness.
If that's the case, then can anything at all be a "synchronicity"? Is that not getting awfully close to my earlier conjecture that HDD will eventually link everything together while explaining nothing at all?

[Paul]

Truman made the political decission to use nuclear weapons on July 20, 1945I'll ask you again, how do you know when Truman decided to use the atomic bomb? he didn't even receive his first detailed report on the July 16th test until the afternoon of the 21st.

There is no mention in his diary about his decision at all until the 25th when he says the bomb will be "used against Japan between now and August 10th"

[Paul]

befehl ist befehl right?Leaving aside the idiotically inappropriate analogy, it has already been pointed out by Blue Mountain and by me that the date of the decision or the date of the orders is irrelevant compared to the first military deployment of an atomic weapon.

If you are having trouble understanding that, almost until the actual event, the detonation of the bomb was not guaranteed, you should do more research before making silly declarations.

[Dutch]

That's what I get for posting at 3:00 in the morning because I couldn't get to sleep. I guess I was more tired than I thought.

However, you are wrong when you said "nothing happened on August 8, 1945." True, nothing happened as far as atomic bombs being dropped is concerned, aside from the preparations for the bombing in Nagasaki. But on that date the United States signed the United Nations charter. Does that count for anything?


duh, we talk about Hirhoshima and Nagasaki here, the actual detonation and the decissions. Just say you are wrong is enough

[Dutch]

Yes, only following orders. Soldiers following orders is hardly noteworthy.

So you probably also think that when our chosen leaders decide NOT to protect the people of Srebrenica, that its none of our business?

HDDesign shows differently, we all have our responsibilities

[Dutch]

I note you completely failed to address my point that the date you keyed on was the date the news was reported, not the date on which it happened.

The dates are not predetermined. In fact, by rolling dice I could generate a bunch of totally random dates and declare there will be an "Obama or Biden security issue" on those dates, +/- 1 day, and chances are pretty good there will be a report on (or close to) those dates.

after thousands of post you still doesn't seem to get that this is about consciousness. The timing of 'reaching the macro level' is just as signifigant as the actual event

[Dutch]

The dates are not predetermined. In fact, by rolling dice I could generate a bunch of totally random dates and declare there will be an "Obama or Biden security issue" on those dates, +/- 1 day, and chances are pretty good there will be a report on (or close to) those dates.


I had to list it once before in this thread, I talk about the security issue for Obama here. You can look it up yourselves, somwhere in august 2008 I think.

The date April 7, 2009 was already given back than. Go check , its all there

edit± this is the 5th time in a row such a security issue for Obama occurs, all on predetermined dates. You can verify. Do it

[Dutch]

Ockham's razor states:

You provide a fantastical, inordinately complex numerological (or should that be numeroillogical?) system totally unsupported by mathematics, physics, and astronomy to weave together a massive web of "synchronicities" that you think explains current events. As skeptics we apply tools that are designed to prevent us from fooling ourselves. In all the cases we've examined here, these tools provide a more mundane explanation for why events appear to be related.

We are convinced the mundane explanation trumps the Hyper Dimensional Design explanation, because the mundane satisfactorily answers the the question "Why do these events appear to be related?" without having to invoke hyperdimensional octahedrons, phi timespirals, or anything of the sort.

Unless you are the Queen of the Netherlands, or the Uk if you prefer, you should talk on behalf of yourselves only.

You are making it complex, in fact I only use the harmonics within our own solar system

[Dutch]

If that's the case, then can anything at all be a "synchronicity"? Is that not getting awfully close to my earlier conjecture that HDD will eventually link everything together while explaining nothing at all?


Do you think human interaction is only valid when they interact based on truth?

[Dutch]

Paul,

July 21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_21), 1945 - WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II): Harry S. Truman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman) approves the order for atomic bombs to be used against Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945

That´s within the set limits of +/- 1 day in HDDesign

remember we live on a planet with time differences. Tunguska happened in Russia, Truman ltook the decission in America.

Although I have stated repeatedly that this +/- 1 day is way to rigid, it perfectly matches in this case

[Dutch]

Leaving aside the idiotically inappropriate analogy, it has already been pointed out by Blue Mountain and by me that the date of the decision or the date of the orders is irrelevant compared to the first military deployment of an atomic weapon.

If you are having trouble understanding that, almost until the actual event, the detonation of the bomb was not guaranteed, you should do more research before making silly declarations.


You are using the words silly, inappropriate and even idiotic.

What you are saying is in fact that the poor soldier that pushed the button in Elona gay is solely responsible for hirhoshima?

I think this is a bridge too far for you

[Paul]

July 21, 1945 - WWII: Harry S. Truman approves the order for atomic bombs to be used against Japan.If you read the source for that, it seems to say that on the 21st Truman approved the orders, the form or language of the orders, not gave any orders for the use of the bomb; the Secretary of War "passes on" orders on the 24th and the acting Chief of Staff gave "the only written order on the use of atomic weapons" to the commander of the United States Army Strategic Air Forces on the 25th.

When Truman approved the orders he didn't even know when the first bomb would be ready, so the act of approving had no real significance in the way you insist.


That´s within the set limits of +/- 1 day in HDDesign

remember we live on a planet with time differences. Tunguska happened in Russia, Truman ltook the decission in America.Are you claiming that you arbitrary latitude is because you are too lazy to convert all dates to universal time?


Although I have stated repeatedly that this +/- 1 day is way to rigid, it perfectly matches in this caseIt's precisely because you are not rigid enough that you can drag in all kinds of events and force them to fit.

[Paul]

You are using the words silly, inappropriate and even idiotic.Yes, I am, they seem to be popping into my head with tedious regularity at the moment.


What you are saying is in fact that the poor soldier that pushed the button in Elona gay is solely responsible for hirhoshima?No I'm not, I am using the appropriate words to describe your reference of the Nuremberg Defense.

The "poor soldier" was Major Thomas Ferebee the bombardier, but even on the 'plane he was responsible to the bomb commander, William S. Parsons, who was a Navy Captain.

By the way, the aircraft is still called Enola Gay.


I think this is a bridge too far for youI think you should take the time to understand why your combinations of impenetrable home-brew jargon, poor or absent research, lack of understanding of the context of specific events, loose application of your own rules and misuse of physics astronomy and geometry, among other things, lead us to some fairly basic requests for explanation or clarification.

[Blue Mountain]

after thousands of post you still doesn't seem to get that this is about consciousness. The timing of 'reaching the macro level' is just as signifigant as the actual event
Oh boy! Yet another piece of wiggle-room to add to your already generous timings. So not only can HDD describe an event when it actually occurs, but also when it reaches the macro level the media reports on it.

[Blue Mountain]

Unless you are the Queen of the Netherlands, or the Uk if you prefer, you should talk on behalf of yourselves only.

You are making it complex, in fact I only use the harmonics within our own solar system
Two comments on this:

Given the choice between a small set of logical fallacies and the complex interactions proposed by HDD (plus the fact there is no observational evidence to support the idea that there is an intelligently designed hyper-dimensional octahedron centered on our solar system), Occam's Razor states that the simpler explanation is preferred.

Second, how can you talk about harmonics when are none? That is, the positions of Earth relative to those of Mercury, Venus or Mars are different whenever HDD related events occur?

[Blue Mountain]

A general question on HDD: Is our solar system the only one in the entire universe to have HDD? Or does every star with planets orbiting it have one?

[Dutch]

If you read the source for that, it seems to say that on the 21st Truman approved the orders, the form or language of the orders, not gave any orders for the use of the bomb; the Secretary of War "passes on" orders on the 24th and the acting Chief of Staff gave "the only written order on the use of atomic weapons" to the commander of the United States Army Strategic Air Forces on the 25th.

When Truman approved the orders he didn't even know when the first bomb would be ready, so the act of approving had no real significance in the way you insist.



The political decission to use nuclear weapons on Japan was taken on August 21, 1945. period.

[Dutch]

Are you claiming that you arbitrary latitude is because you are too lazy to convert all dates to universal time?


lazy? I think I have already explained a dozen times in this thread only why I use +/- 1 day and why this limitation is even way to rigid.

[Dutch]

No I'm not, I am using the appropriate words to describe your reference of the Nuremberg Defense.

The "poor soldier" was Major Thomas Ferebee the bombardier, but even on the 'plane he was responsible to the bomb commander, William S. Parsons, who was a Navy Captain.

By the way, the aircraft is still called Enola Gay.


a bridge too far indeed, I was talking about responsibilities. your reply makes no sense at all

[Dutch]

Oh boy! Yet another piece of wiggle-room to add to your already generous timings. So not only can HDD describe an event when it actually occurs, but also when it reaches the macro level the media reports on it.


another?

It always has been like this

so you think Hirhoshima was only important on August 6, 1945?

[Dutch]

Given the choice between a small set of logical fallacies and the complex interactions proposed by HDD (plus the fact there is no observational evidence to support the idea that there is an intelligently designed hyper-dimensional octahedron centered on our solar system), Occam's Razor states that the simpler explanation is preferred.

exactly

planetairy orbittal positions based on platonic solid geometry



Second, how can you talk about harmonics when are none? That is, the positions of Earth relative to those of Mercury, Venus or Mars are different whenever HDD related events occur?

I told you before HDDesign is not astrology. You must look at the harmonic correlations as determined by the orbittal positions, regardsless how these positions look like.

[Dutch]

A general question on HDD: Is our solar system the only one in the entire universe to have HDD? Or does every star with planets orbiting it have one?

HDDesign is about the hidden underlying Design of our reality. That means this entire universe with all its stars and planets and all other universes.

[Dutch]

I have posted some interesting info about the Venus Transits of our times and the Venus crossings through the Transit lines, with recurring themes that were already identified in this HDDesign 'research' aswell as the dates of the future crossings that we need to focus on. As it is to much to repost here I recommend to read the related info from this post on:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/post-8179-hddesign.html#8179
I recommend to read the whole thread :
experimental stuff / The Venus Connection
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about5-hddesign.html
if you aren't registered you can find here the details in order to login as 'reader':
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/post-5097-hddesign.html#5097

[Paul]

The political decission to use nuclear weapons on Japan was taken on August 21, 1945. period.I don't see how you can ever know that, and your absolute insistence despite evidence only serves to highlight the problem with your dogmatic approach.

[Paulhoff]

"There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance."
Albert Einstein


That ORDER was in no way anything like you're trying to make up with HDD.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

a bridge too far indeedDo you even know what that means?

The fact that you use that expression while vastly overreaching in all areas is mildly amusing.


I was talking about responsibilities.Indeed. Apparently you believe that's what you were saying, but you seem to be conflating definitions of responsibility, culpability and accountability and hanging the result on everyone for everything.


your reply makes no sense at allwibble?

[Paul]

lazy? I think I have already explained a dozen times in this thread only why I use +/- 1 day and why this limitation is even way to rigid.Which demonstrates that you don't understand how you say your system works; if the relationships were as you say, accuracy could be determined to the second.

[AWPrime]

I told you before HDDesign is not astrology. You must look at the harmonic correlations as determined by the orbittal positions, regardsless how these positions look like.And still you can't show the calculations to determine the harmonic correlations. Or do you simply use those words because they sound nice?

[Dutch]

And still you can't show the calculations to determine the harmonic correlations. Or do you simply use those words because they sound nice?
they are given repeatedly, read before making remarks please

[Dutch]

Which demonstrates that you don't understand how you say your system works; if the relationships were as you say, accuracy could be determined to the second.


Paul this has been discussed before

[AWPrime]

they are given repeatedly, read before making remarks pleaseThe things that you call calculations aren't even close to the level of what you need to do. The entire connection must be expressed mathematically from start to finish. And any method must be used consistently.

Also you need to be able to predict any event with useful accuracy in both time, place and subject.

(+/- a day) + (whole earth) + (broad theme) = useless ;)

[Dutch]

Things? What are you referring to?

[Paul]

they are given repeatedly, read before making remarks pleaseWhere have you ever given "calculations to determine the harmonic correlations"? Please, show us your formulae.

The closest you get to any calculations is dividing things by phi a lot.

[Paul]

Paul this has been discussed beforeYet you still haven't given a reasonable answer.

[AWPrime]

Things? What are you referring to?The things being the ways that you derive dates, events and the connections between them.

[Dutch]

The things being the ways that you derive dates, events and the connections between them.

Which things? you can't even name it

[Dutch]

Where have you ever given "calculations to determine the harmonic correlations"? Please, show us your formulae.

The closest you get to any calculations is dividing things by phi a lot.

are you asking me to look it up for you in this thread?

[AWPrime]

Which things? you can't even name itI don't need to, as I wasn't commenting on a specific case but on the method. I will refer to a previous quote from you referring on how you derive dates, events and the connections between them:they are given repeatedly, read before making remarks please


What still remains is that I want to see you express the entire connection mathematically from start to finish. And that the method be used consistently. With the event predicted ahead with useful accuracy in both time, place and subject.

I do think you have some basic intelligence, if you still can't understand this then I will simply consider it to be a from of 'dodging'.

[Dutch]

Which method are you referring to?

be specific and make sure you aren't asking me something that has already been explained in this thread

[Wolrab]

The political decission to use nuclear weapons on Japan was taken on August 21, 1945. period.

You jumped on Blue or Paul when they were off by a day. This says the decision was made two weeks after the war was over.

[AWPrime]

Which method are you referring to?

be specific and make sure you aren't asking me something that has already been explained in this threadwhy do you keep dodging the issue?Is it because you can't answer it?

Did you realize that you don't have a consistent method? That is what happens when someone links events after the fact by whatever means they find necessary.



So Again:
What still remains is that I want to see you express the entire connection mathematically from start to finish. And that the method be used consistently. With the event predicted ahead with useful accuracy in both time, place and subject.

[Dutch]

You jumped on Blue or Paul when they were off by a day. This says the decision was made two weeks after the war was over.

I don't think I understand what you are talking about here.

What is your point?

[Dutch]

why do you keep dodging the issue?Is it because you can't answer it?

Did you realize that you don't have a consistent method? That is what happens when someone links events after the fact by whatever means they find necessary.




So Again:
What still remains is that I want to see you express the entire connection mathematically from start to finish. And that the method be used consistently. With the event predicted ahead with useful accuracy in both time, place and subject.

first of all: this is not about predictions as explained several times in this thread. I am not going to spend my time on you if you don't do your homework first.

[AWPrime]

first of all: this is not about predictions as explained several times in this thread. I am not going to spend my time on you if you don't do your homework first.I find that to be a weak, last resort, excuse.


are we able to determine underlying patterns with related events, so we can anticipate on future events in order to lessen the impact of undesired effects in our reality.That is prediction.


And so far the only thing we have gotten from you is inconsistent, post-event, ego-jerking. If this thread isn't about a usable method then it is about your ego. And that just feels disgusting to me.

[Dutch]

I don't think you have read this thread or the HDDesign material, this is not about my ego. Ask a specific question if you like.

[Dutch]

There's nothing more than already posted 'live' in the material, so which start and end you are referring to?

[Paul]

are you asking me to look it up for you in this thread?It's very simple, I'm asking you to post, right now, in this thread, here, your calculations to determine the harmonic correlations of orbital positions.

Can you do that?

[AWPrime]

I don't think you have read this thread or the HDDesign material, this is not about my ego. Ask a specific question if you like.
My question is specific because its about the method.

[Dutch]

It's very simple, I'm asking you to post, right now, in this thread, here, your calculations to determine the harmonic correlations of orbital positions.

Can you do that?

its already in the thread paul

[Dutch]

My question is specific because its about the method.
The method has been discussed

First comes the intuitive thought or synchronicity, application of the described elements of HDDesign should confirm instantly

[Paulhoff]

Dutch, other than your belief, you show nothing that says why we should stay out of space and not use nuclear power in space.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

its already in the thread paulWhere? I see no calculations that could give any such result.

[Paul]

The method has been discussed

First comes the intuitive thought or synchronicity, application of the described elements of HDDesign should confirm instantlyGuessing isn't a proper method.

I'm assuming you use intuition in the normally accepted sense and synchronicity in the Freudian.

So, you believe you know something without any evidence or obvious connection and arrive at two events, where it all gets a bit vague.


Please respond seriously to the following questions with specific answers, not claims to have explained before, appeals to your own authority, insults or diversions:
When working with dates, what steps do you take to create a consistent decimal format that would allow calculations using different initial time zones or calendars?

When you have these universally formatted dates and times, why is it necessary to allow such an enormous margin of error?

How do you that a hyperdimensional polyhedron even exists, let alone what it looks like?

What maths do you use to calculate interactions between three dimensional objects and those with more dimensions?

Are you hyperdimensional "platonic solids" fixed or free? If fixed, about what point and is it relative to anything or absolute, and if free, how do you calculate their movements and positions?

When does a spiral stop and why?
Do you calculate every date on a spiral to check the dates? If not, why not and if yes, what happens if some dates have no correlations?

That will do for now, it should be a reasonable start to an explanation of your methods.

[Blue Mountain]

another?
It always has been like this

after thousands of post you still doesn't seem to get that this is about consciousness. The timing of 'reaching the macro level' is just as signifigant as the actual event
But it's only been with that one comment that I finally understood just what you mean when you say "macro level orientation." That's how poor your presentation is here, and that in turn is one of the reasons we don't accept your thesis.

so you think Hirhoshima was only important on August 6, 1945?
Yes. The only truly important date when it comes to the use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima is the date on which it was actually used. Had the bomb been dropped on August 7 (if, for example, the Enola Gay had been grounded on the 6th), that would have been the important date. If the bomb had been dropped on August 6 but failed to detonate, then neither the date nor Hiroshima would have been important at all, despite the decision to use the bomb (whenever Truman made it) or the date on which the military orders were given, or even the date on which it was dropped.

And if for some reason the bomb had never been dropped on Hiroshima, then Nagasaki would have been the city burned into our collective consciousness.

[Blue Mountain]

exactly

planetairy orbittal positions based on platonic solid geometry
I note you have yet to post even a single geometric equation here. I doubt you have a grasp of geometry beyond what is taught in high school, and no comprehension whatsoever of three-dimensional geometry, let alone four, which is the space in which HDD is purported to work.

In that sense you are no different from hundreds of other purveyors of woo on this planet who throw around the word quantum without knowing what it means.

I told you before HDDesign is not astrology. You must look at the harmonic correlations as determined by the orbittal positions, regardsless how these positions look like.
Typically, Harmonics refers to music and sound, which does not seem to have a practical application to HDD. It also refers to a specific branch of number theory which you do not employ. The only thing "harmonic" in your system is "Two events occurred on Earth a certain number of days apart, in which time a planet happened to complete n orbits around the Sun." That is different from harmonic in the musical sense, since that works on waves and not on orbits.

[Blue Mountain]

HDDesign is about the hidden underlying Design of our reality. That means this entire universe with all its stars and planets and all other universes.
If that's the case, why the fixation on Mercury, Venus, and Mars? You have literally a whole galaxy of objects to play with when it comes to seeing correlations to events on Earth.

[Blue Mountain]

Its the 5th time in a row that such a thing occurs with this 'Obama security issue' . THIS IS NOT CHERRY- PICKING! the dates are pre-determined.

In an earlier post you listed six security incidents related to Obama, not five. Which one have you forgotten about?

[Dutch]

Dutch, other than your belief, you show nothing that says why we should stay out of space and not use nuclear power in space.

Paul

:) :) :)

That's my understanding of what seem to be the major underlying themes of our times yes. I know you dismiss it.

[Dutch]

Where? I see no calculations that could give any such result.

I have explained how the awakenings timeframe on Earth is linked via the Golden Mean to the orbits of Venus and Mars, with mercury marking the trigger dates. I don't want to walk through this thread, you have to do that yourselves. I assume you have read it before so maybe you can recal where to start searching

[Paulhoff]

That's my understanding of what seem to be the major underlying themes of our times yes. I know you dismiss it.

You do know Dutch, you sound just like the religious. You can't get your mind around the idea that others have a clear understanding of what you are saying and know it holds no water.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

When working with dates, what steps do you take to create a consistent decimal format that would allow calculations using different initial time zones or calendars?

Orbits of inner planet are calculated with 2 decimals. When I calculate a date, only the determined date is to be considered a +/- 1 day tineframe. This rounding does not occur during the calculation in a sense that on each orbit a +/- day deviation doesn't take place

When you have these universally formatted dates and times, why is it necessary to allow such an enormous margin of error?

+/- 1 day is not enourmous. I consider the determined date a 'peak date', you can compare it with an approaching planet and than leaving again. The 'geometrical' design or orbittal position is increasing the momentum of the identified underlying theme towards the peak date and lessening afterwards. I have limited this timeframe that could give expressions to +/- 1 day because but I aactually think this timeframe should be bigger

How do you that a hyperdimensional polyhedron even exists, let alone what it looks like?


They don't have shapes, there are only geometrically determined interference area's on an orbit. Hyper Dimensional geometry translated in to 2 dimensional geometrical correlations of an orbit.

What maths do you use to calculate interactions between three dimensional objects and those with more dimensions?


I don't know about objects, but hyper dimensional locations can be determined using Platonic Solid based geometry just like Hoagland and other researchers are doing.
What I do is applying this geometry on our perception of time. HDDesign is unique with this concept.

Are you hyperdimensional "platonic solids" fixed or free? If fixed, about what point and is it relative to anything or absolute, and if free, how do you calculate their movements and positions?

I think our reality is build on an invisible underlying Design. Every single moment in our perception of time is linked to this hidden underlying geometrical design. A hyperdimensional solid becomes visible when the events are recognized as expressions of the same underlying theme on the geometrical correlations as determined by this Hyper dimensional solid.

Events at the macrolevel do have an orientation on the calendar we use, so 9/11 and Madrid were marking the main HD solid : the Tetrahedron.

When does a spiral stop and why?

It doesn't really stop, at one point the spiral goes further inwards at the same orbittal position, marking that day on the spiral as the 'end' of the spiral, but infact spiralling inwards until eternity. The orbittal position is marked though, as end postion of the spiral on an orbit


Do you calculate every date on a spiral to check the dates? If not, why not and if yes, what happens if some dates have no correlations?


That's what I have been doing with the 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society ever since I first discovered it ( 2005 ). This monitoring is necessarry in order to catch the subtle expressions and to identify the hidden underlying themes that are expressed.

[Dutch]

Yes. The only truly important date when it comes to the use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima is the date on which it was actually used. Had the bomb been dropped on August 7 (if, for example, the Enola Gay had been grounded on the 6th), that would have been the important date. If the bomb had been dropped on August 6 but failed to detonate, then neither the date nor Hiroshima would have been important at all, despite the decision to use the bomb (whenever Truman made it) or the date on which the military orders were given, or even the date on which it was dropped.


But Blue, are you blaming it on the bomb itself? Its the result of decissions. Those with the power to do so, took the decossions to make Hirhosima possible


And if for some reason the bomb had never been dropped on Hiroshima, then Nagasaki would have been the city burned into our collective consciousness.


still the same decission

[AWPrime]

It is becoming increasing clear to me that dutch doesn't use a consistent method. But instead just makes up the connections as he goes along.

[Dutch]

I note you have yet to post even a single geometric equation here. I doubt you have a grasp of geometry beyond what is taught in high school, and no comprehension whatsoever of three-dimensional geometry, let alone four, which is the space in which HDD is purported to work.

The geometry I use is in fact very basic and simple. Platonic solids, golden mean and orbits etc. no highschool needed


In that sense you are no different from hundreds of other purveyors of woo on this planet who throw around the word quantum without knowing what it means.

I agree with you here, although I have a sens of its implications



Typically, Harmonics refers to music and sound, which does not seem to have a practical application to HDD. It also refers to a specific branch of number theory which you do not employ. The only thing "harmonic" in your system is "Two events occurred on Earth a certain number of days apart, in which time a planet happened to complete n orbits around the Sun." That is different from harmonic in the musical sense, since that works on waves and not on orbits.



I mean the inner planets in their relation to Earth

[Dutch]

If that's the case, why the fixation on Mercury, Venus, and Mars? You have literally a whole galaxy of objects to play with when it comes to seeing correlations to events on Earth.

because the innerplanets already do show so much indications of this hidden underlying Design.

Of course I want to look further, I want to understand the correlations with the outer planets too. I haven't had the time though to look into it yet. It will pop up someday

[Dutch]

In an earlier post you listed six security incidents related to Obama, not five. Which one have you forgotten about?

even better

[Dutch]

You do know Dutch, you sound just like the religious. You can't get your mind around the idea that others have a clear understanding of what you are saying and know it holds no water.


I am used to the idea that people dismiss this HDDesign and even that they think I'm nuts. What you think is a clear understanding will turn out to be a misjudgement. Time will tell

[Dutch]

It is becoming increasing clear to me that dutch doesn't use a consistent method. But instead just makes up the connections as he goes along.

You are aware of the fact that this is about the dynamic environment of multi dimensional reality and consciousness?

any idea's about a consistent method generally accepted in 3D science that is fully applicable in order to describe a multi dimensional reality?

There's much more needed than your rigid 3D based methods to come to understanding of these kind of concepts

[Blue Mountain]

But Blue, are you blaming it on the bomb itself? Its the result of decissions. Those with the power to do so, took the decossions to make Hirhosima possible
Even if that's the case, the date the military orders were given is not important, because the decision to use the bomb had already been made ... but unfortunately for you, not on a date you can fit into HDD.

Besides, all over this thread you point to news items of events themselves and not the decisions that lead to them as evidence of the "underlying design." Basically, anything that happens on a date that you've determined is on a time spiral becomes important. It has to, otherwise HDD falls apart. (Well, falls apart worse than it already does.)

[Blue Mountain]

The geometry I use is in fact very basic and simple. Platonic solids, golden mean and orbits etc. no highschool needed
There obviously isn't a three-dimensional platonic solid sitting on our solar system; we would have seen it by now. So you hide it in the fourth dimension, but you don't have the math to back that up. Is it any wonder your thesis isn't flying here?

I mean the inner planets in their relation to Earth
No, not at all. You own words put the lie to this--every time I point out that the relation of the inner planets' orbits with respect to the Earth doesn't match up with the occurrence of events, you say the orbital positions don't matter. So you don't have any harmonics (at least not in the physical or mathematical sense), nor do you have any relationships with respect to the orbital mechanics.

The term for this in English is "wild goose chase".

[Blue Mountain]

even better
I asked you which one you had forgotten about.

In effect, you dismissed my post. You did not appear to do any checking to determine if I was right or wrong, and given my track record over the last couple of pages the idea I was wrong might have worked in your favour :D

So I'll ask a more detailed question:

In an recent post in this thread, you mentioned there were five hits in a row related to events where there was an issue with Barack Obama's security. Can you list these five? In an earlier post, you listed six such events. Can you list these six, and explain what happened to cause you to miss one?

[Blue Mountain]

It is becoming increasing clear to me that dutch doesn't use a consistent method. But instead just makes up the connections as he goes along.
Earlier I referred to Hyper Dimensional Design as the 21st century equivalent of a Victorian parlour game. I believe the analogy is apt.

[Paul]

Orbits of inner planet are calculated with 2 decimals. When I calculate a date, only the determined date is to be considered a +/- 1 day tineframe. This rounding does not occur during the calculation in a sense that on each orbit a +/- day deviation doesn't take placeI was referring to the dates, on earth, on which events happen; how do you standardise these in order to use them in calculations?

What does orbits calculated to 2 decimals mean? The rest of that sentence does not make sense.


+/- 1 day is not enourmous.When using events that can be accurately timed to the minute, or even second, it is.


I consider the determined date a 'peak date', you can compare it with an approaching planet and than leaving again.What if, for example, Mars is at it's furthest points from earth on your peak date? It will be approaching for some time.

What reason do you have to consider it a peak and not a well defined singular event?


The 'geometrical' design or orbittal position is increasing the momentum of the identified underlying theme towards the peak date and lessening afterwards.How do you determine the extent of influence of any particular planetary orbit; there will always be planets approaching or receding, why is one more important than the other 2?


I have limited this timeframe that could give expressions to +/- 1 day because but I aactually think this timeframe should be biggerWhy, that's just an arbitrary number and a guess.

[dafydd]

So what about the billions of people that don't use the same calendar as you?

Answer please.

[dafydd]

GodMark2,

the keydates on the 2007 timeline are somehow connected to the already determined HD dates, marker events that already happened or ongoing timecoded patterns

I have a focus on the macro level, its just mnot possible to put everything that happens into perspective

What does 'I have focus on the macro level' mean. Pure gibberish I'll bet.

[dafydd]

[QUOTE=Bodhi Dharma Zen;2472786]Fnord. I hate to say this, but you are just using "argument from authority" here, specially in your first two points and the fifth. Thats useless. People here needs to present evidence, thats all, you can be a 10 years old boy on highschool or a 70 years woman with no education. Evidence its all that matter.

That said, your 3 and 4 are useful, to a point. Specially 4 which would show the kind of brain we are dealing with.[/QU

Dutch has a brain?

[dafydd]

Dutch, as a fellow countryman I say: "Blijf uit de koffieshops!"

And as for dates having *any* meaning...

Remember that the designation of the years is because Dionysius Exiguus (in English known as Denis the Little) chose them to be that way. He more or less guestimated when the year 0 should be.

And there is a lot of other nonsense going on with how our dates are constructed, so, leave it already.

Yes,he probably found the 'Dutch phi spiral' in a koffieshop.That genetically engineered Dutch skunk does scramble your brain. He's a good laugh though,this is entertaining.I wonder,does he realise how big an eejit he is making of himself here?

[dafydd]

Dutch should move to Western Montana, he’ll fit right in. :czwacky:

Paul

:) :) :)

Munchkinland would be the best place for him.

[AWPrime]

any idea's about a consistent method generally accepted in 3D science that is fully applicable in order to describe a multi dimensional reality?

There's much more needed than your rigid 3D based methods to come to understanding of these kind of conceptsAnd yet calculations involving 10+ dimensions are accepted and created for string theory and such. So involving more then 3 dimensions isn't an excuse to not show the needed calculations.

But we already know that you are incapable of such acts of math. You keep throwing words around you don't know the meaning of such as: dimensional, harmonics, platonic solids, geometrical, etc.

You even combine the words into such monstrosities such as 'Hyper Dimensional geometry', which in your case becomes nothing more then technobabble. And I am not impressed by your technobabble.

[dafydd]

Since the first half of 2007 is history now, I will post the end timeline for the first half of 2007. Note that all dates and themes were posted prior to the monitored dates.
All dates are +/- 1 day. Not only because of the time differences on Earth but also because these dates are in fact related to Geometrically determined specific area's on Earth's orbit around the Sun, corresponding with our system of dates. How large these specific ares are is unknown but I normally use the +/- 1 day correction, although it might be valid to extend the window. Consider the given dates as 'peak' dates, getting momentum towards and lessening in effect afterwards.
I will mention the dates with a short explanation and/or keywords, or a link to the related threads for specific information
The list will be updated regularly and developments will be monitored and anticipated on in the related threads
If you can't use the given links, than read the copied text in the related post in this thread.
December 31, 2006 / January 1, 2007 - Hyper Dimensional Pole date. Freedom Tower. end date/ start date on the ongoing 'exit of SunKing' timecoded pattern.http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=3086&mforum=hddesign#3086
Saddam hanged
Saddam (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=234&mforum=hddesign)
January 5, 2007 - Deep Impact becomes 911 trigger
Comet McNaught
http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught.htm
January 10, 2007 - Deep Impact becomes 555 trigger
Updated Jan. 10:New Comet is Brightest in 30 Years
http://space.com/spacewatch/070104_comet_mcnaught.html
China confirms satellite downed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6289519.stm
January 13, 2007 - start date on the ongoing 7-4-7 based July 7 London Bombings timecoded pattern. 555 endtrigger date related to the July 7 London bombings
Blast at U.S. Embassy in Athens called 'serious attack'
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/12/athens.blast/index.html
21 July 'bomb plot' trial starts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6261899.stm
January 18, 2007 - Deep Impact on a 911 based inspiralling (563 days)
Dwarf planet 'becoming a comet'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6268799.stm
Deep Impact Galactica, posted on January 18: http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/deepimpact-galactica.htm
another Deep Impact event in space:
China Tests Anti-Satellite Weapon
http://quickstart.clari.net/voa/art/fj/2007-01-18-voa73.html
China test sparks space arms fears
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6278867.stm
Concern over China's missile test
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6276543.stm
US demands answers on China test
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6281247.stm
January 19 - 22 - the 'sevens' and 'heart of the 4' of the London Bombings timecoded pattern, with the most significant related date:
Tube shooting letters to be sent
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6275225.stm
Lords could hear Menezes appeal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6279957.stm
Friend 'helped bomb plot accused'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6286271.stm
Two held in Halifax terror raid
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6289581.stm
January 21, 2007 - 911 / Golden Mean Phi after the July 7 london Bombings. link (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=14&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&mforum=hddesign).triggerdate related to flight 522
Algerian terror suspect deported
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6281593.stm
triggerdate related to flight 522:Protesters barricade Beirut roads
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6288503.stm
January 25, 2007 - related to 'ascension endtriggerdate' Deep Impact
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/deepimpact1.gif
also Mercury is at the same geometrical position as during flight 522 crash
January 27, 2007 - A terrorist attack on London, similar to the July 7 attacks, becomes 555 triggerevent
July bomb suspect 'strolled away'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6302203.stm
Safety fears for terror suspects
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6304677.stm
January 28, 2007 - Also becomming triggerevent: A Brazilian electrician, Jean Charles de Menezes, is shot dead at a London underground station by police who mistake him for a suicide bomber.

February 1, 2007 - Imbolc Cross-quarter day. Saddam . link (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=197&mforum=hddesign)
555 triggerevent: July 26 - STS-114: The Space Shuttle Discovery is launched on its "Return To Flight" mission
Another terror plot in the UK, see update below
Terror raids over 'beheading plot',CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/31/uk.terror.arrests/index.html
Sea Launch Destroyed On Pad In Fiery Explosion
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Sea_Launch_Operations_To_Be_Resumed_Despite_Liftof f_Failure_999.html
The exit of Sun King theme is also hitting this key date:
Defiant Blair rejects quit calls
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6323149.stm
February 4, 2007 - Sharon
February 6, 2007 - triggerdate related to flight 522
from Goro: Mayan Contact Midpoint, see update below
Syria 'can broker peace in Iraq'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6332479.stm
Iran setting up atomic centrifuges
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/05/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html
A surprise UN-Lebanese signing establishes the Special Hariri Tribunal. Damascus expected to fight back inside Lebanon and on Israel’s northern borders
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3816

February 11, 2007 - Venus Century Hirhoshima. triggerdate related to flight 522
Iran: Giant achievements coming soon
Ahmadinejad: On February 11, Islamic Republic's nuclear rights 'will be established' http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3360816,00.html
added on Feb 11,Putin: U.S. pushing others into nuclear ambitions
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html
and: Iran insists on nuclear programme
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6351137.stm
US accuses Iran over Iraq bombs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6351257.stm
Iran's leader condemns US claims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6353923.stm
Democrats wary over Iran claims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6352899.stm
Iran: Nuclear announcement coming in April
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/11/iran.nuclear/index.html
N. Korea nuclear talks drag on over energy aid
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16967996/
February 14, 2007 - Hyper Dimensional Cube date. The Hariri Killing, Casus Belli WWIII ? (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=70&mforum=hddesign#70). Venus Century Nagasaki
Nagasaki on the 555 starttriggers
'Deal reached' at N Korea talks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6355681.stm
N Korea 'agrees to disarmament'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6356481.stm
'Eleven die' in Lebanon bus bombs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6356271.stm
Tension high for Hariri protest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6359669.stm
Iranian bombing kills 18 people

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6359971.stm
U.S.: Radical cleric al-Sadr in Iran
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/14/iraq.main/index.html
Fragile Lebanon needs urgent remedy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6357569.stm
An unknown Syrian group calls for prisoner exchange with Israel
http://www.debka.com/
Thousands flock to Hariri protest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6359669.stm
Bush maintains pressure on Iran
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6362307.stm
60 days period ends April 14 :N Korea still unsure over funds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6551039.stm

February 15, 2007 - Hyper Dimensional Cube date. The Hariri Killing, Casus Belli WWIII ? (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=70&mforum=hddesign#70). triggerdate related to flight 522
2 Mercury Years in Earthdays after the 555 endtrigger related to the Hariri killing
Venus Century Nagasaki
Nagasaki on the 555 starttriggers
Madrid bombings trial to begin
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/14/spain.trial/index.html
Radical Shia cleric 'is in Iran'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6364193.stm
Saudis to purchase nuclear option
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3838
Madrid bombings trial: Key defendant refuses to testify
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/15/spain.trial/index.html
Madrid trial suspects deny guilt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6368327.stm

February 20, 2007 - 555 endtrigger related to the flight 522 crash
EXACTLY 106 Venus Years since Pearl Harbor. Cory Lidle's plane crash in NY: Mercury 'The Messenger' alignment. indications related to the exit of Assad clan in Syria
US 'Iran attack plans' revealed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6376639.stm
Iran accuses American, British and Israeli secret services of plotting last Wednesday’s explosions in Zahedan, capital of Iranian Baluchistan
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3857
anticipated 'Pearl Harbor' references:
US troops may attack nuclear and military targets in neighboring Iran when a high-casualty attack is traced directly to Tehran
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3860
and
Deadly toxic bomb hits Iraqi town
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/20/iraq.main/index.html
Tehran seeks unconditional talks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6378289.stm
Syria urges dialogue with US on all issues
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070220/wl_mideast_afp/syriausdiplomacy_070220110324;_ylt=AhwINrYDXAq7o0L xl4oh0D4LtUsB
Tehran dismisses threat of force
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6380879.stm
The carrier USS John C. Stennis arrives in the region Monday at the same time as Iranian war games
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3864
Iran 'swiftly seeks nuclear goal'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6381477.stm
Force won't work on nuclear issue, Iran says
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/20/iran.nuclear.reut/index.html
U.S. admiral questions Iran's motives
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/20/iran.us/index.html
February 23-24, 2007 - keydate related to the 'exit of Sun King', related to Anna Nicole marker event.
1 Venus Year after: 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict: Israeli troops invade Lebanon
3 Venus Years after April 19 - Papal conclave, 2005: Pope Benedict XVI (Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) succeeds Pope John Paul II, becoming the 265th pope.
another indication:
New film shows JFK moments before assassination
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/19/jfk.film.reut/index.html
White House: Cheney plane fine after minor problem
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/24/cheney.plane.reut/index.html
Attorney: Sealed Documents Indicate OKC Inside Job
FBI, defense team files identify government informants directing McVeigh
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/okc_bombing_attorney_sealed_docs_indicated_inside_ job.htm
Al-Qa'eda 'plotted to kill Blair in front of Queen'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/26/nalqaeda26.xml
Madrid bombs suspect quotes pope
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/26/spain.trial/index.html
February 28, 2007 - 911 based Golden Mean timespiral flight 522 crash. breaking the Code (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=302&mforum=hddesign#302)
U.S., Iran and Syria may talk face to face about Iraq
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/27/iraq.conference/index.html
'State of panic' after Baghdad car bomb kills 10
POSTED: 0911 GMT (1711 HKT), February 28, 2007
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/28/iraq.main/index.html
Although i don't understand the correlation yet, other than another 'symbolic crash', I do want to mention it here because of the timing of these problems for the stock markets:
Global markets struggle to recover from sell-off
POSTED: 1327 GMT (2127 HKT), February 28, 2007
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/02/28/global.markets/index.html
White House: U.S. won't talk to Syria, Iran directly
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/28/iraq.conference/index.html
Eurovision 'Armageddon' in Israel
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6405457.stm
North Korea pledges to quit nukes
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/01/nkorea.talks.ap/index.html
:!: The liquid explosives sought six months after foiled al Qaeda airline terror plot from the UK are found in Lebanon
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3889
U.S. Concedes Uncertainty on North Korean Uranium Effort
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/washington/01korea.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
March 7, 2007 - triggerdate related to flight 522
US and N Korea in landmark talks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6419975.stm
another 737 coming down:
Indonesia jet explodes on landing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6425419.stm
US, North Korea end milestone talks on optimistic note
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070307/1/47417.html
March 12, 2007 - Hyper dimensional Tetrahedron
exactly 7 Mercury 'The Messenger' years in Earth days after Deep Impact on Temple I
update Goro to be expected
ongoing awakenings pattern Sharon as PM
Towering tribute marks Spain bombs
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/11/spain.trial.ap/index.html
Bush urges Iran, Syria to back up words with action on Iraq
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070312/1/477fl.html
Top EU official travels to Beirut ahead of historic Syria visit
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070312/1/477fv.html
ElBaradei arrives in China en route to NKorea
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070312/1/477cw.html
Nuclear chief warns over N Korea
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6440913.stm
Dubai airport shut after accident
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6440747.stm
Minister quits over Trident plans
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6441627.stm
Jet crash boxes fail to yield info
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/indonesia.plane.reut/index.html
Syria urges broader US dialogue
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6443015.stm
EU optimistic after Lebanon talks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6443527.stm
UN 'progress' over Iran sanctions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6444409.stm
Pentagon: Key 9/11 suspects face judges at Gitmo
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/03/12/gitmo.hearings/index.html
Japanese passenger jet in dramatic emergency landing
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070313/1/47890.html
Russia warning pressures Iran over nuclear plant
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070312165838.vocezigu&show_article=1&catnum=2
Al Qaeda-Gaza declares war on both Palestinian rivals: Hamas and Fatah
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=3922
Major space missions move ahead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6442827.stm
Libya 'may sign US nuclear deal'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6444831.stm
Trident sparks second resignation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6445887.stm
Russia nuclear delay angers Iran
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6446163.stm
Report: ElBaradei unable to meet top N. Korea negotiator
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/14/nkorea.nuclear.talks.ap/index.html
Arrests over Lebanon bus bombings
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6448535.stm
What Has Tehran to Gain from Hizballah’s New Face?
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=article&aid=1260
N Korea 'yet to shut' nuclear site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6448683.stm
Sea Launch Explosion Due To Engine Failure
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Sea_Launch_Explosion_Due_To_Engine_Failure_999.htm l
Key 9/11 suspect confesses guilt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6452573.stm
March 17, 2007 - next inspiralling key date on the 911 based Golden Mean Phi spiral related to the landfall of Katrina in New Orleans
2 Venus years after: December 24, 2005 - Pope Benedict XVI leads his first Christmas Midnight Mass as Pope, praying for peace in the Middle East.
Winter storm worries cancel hundreds of flights
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WEATHER/03/16/winter.storm/index.html
March 20, 2007 - Sharon.
108 Mercury Years after the awakenings starttriggerdate March 10, 1981 and 8 times 911 after ascension endtrigger date April 9, 1987. Both triggerdates are related to the Sabra and Shatila massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra-Shatila_massacre),Palestinean refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon. Israeli Defense Minister at the time: Ariel Sharon. Exactly 5 Mercury Years in coma, hitting the Mercury Transit line of November 8, 2006 ( exactly 1.5 Mercury Years after the transit, or crossing the Transit Line on the other side of the Sun as at the time of the Mercury Transit.)

April 1-2, 2007 - Hyper Dimensional Octahedron
555 triggerevents:
September 24, 2005 - Hurricane Rita hits the U.S. Gulf Coast
September 24, 2005 - Worldwide protests occur against the Iraq War
UN Secretary Ban Ki-moon warns smuggling from Syria could threaten Lebanon ceasefire
Israeli military intelligence chief predicts Israel and the Iran-Hizballah-Syria bloc may be at war in summer
White House anger over Syria trip
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6512871.stm
US House speaker defies White House with Syria visit
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070403/1/47lsb.html
April 19 - May 1 annually recurring '13 satanic days' period
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about13-hddesign.html
Grail Resurrection Signals
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/grail-resurrection.htm
When the Wind Blows
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/wind-blows.htm
April 21/22 , 2007 - Hyper dimensional Tetrahedron, 911.522 after the start of the battle of Marathon ( started on Tetrahedron september 12, 490BC ) breaking the Code (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=3147&mforum=hddesign#3147)
Mercury at same position as during flight 522 crash in Marathon
keydate on the 'exit of sun king' timecoded pattern
Tetrahedron connection 9/11, nuclear theme - Syria. read post here:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=3764&mforum=hddesign#3764
Venus related to Nagasaki triggerevent Hariri killing
Mercury in same position as during 555 awakenings endtrigger 9/11
The US president's men in dire straits
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070423/1/48006.html
Voting begins slowly for Syria's new parliament
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070422/1/47zr0.html
Hamas urges attacks on Israel
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/22/israel.palestinians.ap/index.html
Syria Goes To Polls; Opposition Calls It Farce
.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007119352
A large, high-ranking Syrian delegation of 40 generals on secret mission to Tehran
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=4105
Greek jet makes emergency landing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6583117.stm
nuclear theme
Gates meets Putin on missile sites
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/23/gates.russia.reut/index.html
Runner dies after London Marathon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6583677.stm
EU agrees Iran nuclear sanctions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6582239.stm
Goro: And finally... [a 'Kamikaze' event]
4/21: Blue Angels jet crashes during air show
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/21/blueangels.crash/index.html
exit of 'Sun King':
Former Russian leader Yeltsin dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04/23/russia.yeltsin.ap/index.html
Syria's Assad seeks to consolidate power
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=71336
Syria jails human rights activist
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6587229.stm
Ruling Syrian party wins election
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6596997.stm

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070608/1/493w2.html
May 2, 2007 - Golden Mean Phi based 'Srebrenica karma'. Washington.link (http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=1296&mforum=hddesign#1296).
3 Mars years in Earth days since 9/11, 3 Mars years in earth days prior to the end of the Mayan Calender
from Goro: Mayan Contact Midpoint, see update below.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali threathened in the US, heavy security/protection needed
Press review: 'Fall of the sun king'
http://www.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/05/02/browne.press/index.html
Obama placed under Secret Service protection
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/03/obama.protection/index.html
Melkert, Volkert, Wolfowitz, analysis will follow
May 3, 2007 - Sharon
3 Mars years in Earth days since 9/11, 3 Mars years in earth days prior to the end of the Mayan Calender
from Goro: Mayan Contact Midpoint, see update below.
Sharon and Bush are 'playing in the same script', 22 Mercury years since Bush chokes on a pretzel
May 4-10, 2007 - cross quarter day/period Beltane
May 9, 2007 - 3 Venus years in earth days since Deep Impact on temple I
May 17, 2007 - Hyper Dimensional Cube date
Lebanese PM Siniora takes fateful step of okaying international tribune to try suspects of Rafiq Hariri assassination
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=4199
UN to mull move this week to create court to try Hariri murder
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070515/1/48klw.html
UN to consider creating Hariri murder court
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070515/1/48knz.html
Cabinet minister Ahmad Fatfat linked the clashes to efforts to derail UN moves to set up an international tribunal to try suspects in the 2005 assassination of Rafiq Hariri.
Fighting resumes in N. Lebanon Monday after 57 killed in Lebanese army battles with al Qaeda-linked Palestinians. Eight Lebanese soldiers taken hostage
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=4211

Iran and Syria are the winners of Hamas’ military coup against Fatah in Gaza Strip
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=4299
May 22, 2007 - 1 Mars Year since Deep Impact
Ice Age blast 'ravaged America'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6676461.stm
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42952000/jpg/_42952177_comstrike_bbc_203.jpg
New Clovis-Age Comet Impact Theory
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/New_Clovis_Age_Comet_Impact_Theory_999.html
June 2, 2007 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre
Friday June 1, 1:19 AM
War crime suspect, Mladic's closest ally arrested
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070531/1/48yby.html
Arrested Tolimir is third on the list, just after Mladic and Karadzic
'Mothers of Srebrenica' left Srebrenica on June 2 for a 40-hours bus ride to
Den Haag: The Netherlands charged for Srebrenica massacre!!!!
Srebrenica Relatives To Sue Netherlands, UN
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/06/9df8b3f2-a5ca-4780-8007-7a75bb6324d9.html
Srebrenica families sue Dutch state, U.N.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0437048320070604
Bosnia suspect attacks UN arrest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6719741.stm
BBC: Netherlands sued over Srebrenica
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6721139.stm
Net tightens on fugitive Mladic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6712903.stm
described element of Design: Mars at same position as during the 911 based 'control' triggerdate related to the Srebrenica massacre!
June 7, 2007 - Damageplan. 911 days after Dimebag Darrell was killed on stage. creating a Hyper Dimensional tetrahedron:
'Control' frame 911-events day-911: 1823 days.
Annular Solar Eclipse of 2002 June 10 - Damageplan - June 7, 2007
possible Space Shuttle Atlantis launch on June 8
Mercury 'The Messenger' will be on the same position as during the awakenings starttrigger of the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster
Mercury 'The Messenger' will be on the same position as during the ascension starttrigger of the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster!!!
Cuban TV shows Castro interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6725229.stm
( Castro's fall on stage in 2004 was an marker related to the exit of Arafat, see post in thread)
'Unstable' German tries to jump onto pope's open car
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070606/1/492c5.html
Iran evacuates thousands as cyclone strikes
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070606/1/492ju.html
June 07, '07 Atlantis STS-117 - Mission Phoenix
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/updates-07a.htm#060707

Space Station Holed By Meteorite
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Space_Station_Holed_By_Meteorite_Crew_Complete_EVA _To_Install_Debris_Shields_999.html
Atlantis orbiter set for launch
The mission will lay the groundwork - and the power lines - for Europe's Columbus module to join the orbiting platform later this year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6732769.stm
Shuttle docking a 'go' despite gap in heat blanket
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/06/09/space.shuttle.ap/index.html
NASA Mulls Possible Spacewalk Repair for Shuttle's Torn Blanket
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070709_sts117_repaireva.html
Astronauts to repair shuttle's thermal blanket
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/06/11/space.shuttle.ap/index.html
'Shuttle Wing May Be Broken'
http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/technology/shuttle-wing-may-be-broken-20070612.html
Space station oxygen, water computers fail
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/06/14/space.shuttle.ap/index.html
MERCURY 'THE MESSENGER' at same geometrical position as during DEEP IMPACT
June 10, 2007 - EXACTLY 20 Mercury Years in Earth days after the 911 based starttrigger of the Hariri killing!
UN to vote on Hariri murder court
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6703587.stm
the court will come into force on 10 June.
UN approves Hariri murder court
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6703587.stm
ongoing 911 based pattern with next Venus Passage June 6, 2012
Mercury 'The Messenger' and Venus in same position as at end of Mayan calender
Second Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon, Ain Hilwa in the south, explodes in violence:

http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=headline&hid=4271
Israel 'tests' Syria peace aims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6737065.stm
Controversial Hariri court comes into force
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070610/1/494we.html
Syrian and Iranian Generals in Intensive War Consultations
http://www.debka.com/send.php?type=article&aid=1279
UN concerned at arms crossing Lebanon-Syria border
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070612/1/4967h.html



Assassination of Abu Nidal and fresh clashes between Hamas and Fatah:

Palestinian fighting 'will burn all of us,' official says
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/12/gaza.violence/index.html
Gaza gun battles rage on unabated
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6747841.stm
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same position as during awakenings starttrigger date related to Arafat's death
Disturbing developments:
Lebanese lawmaker killed in Beirut blast
POSTED: 0621 GMT (1421 HKT), June 14, 2007
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A member of the Lebanese parliament died in a Beirut bomb blast Wednesday -- the latest anti-Syrian politician to be killed in the country.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/13/beirut.blast/index.html
Bush links Syria to killing of Lebanese MP
Thursday June 14
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070614/1/497t8.html
Abbas warns of 'collapse'
POSTED: 0256 GMT (1056 HKT), June 13, 2007
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/13/gaza.fighting/index.html
June 16, 2007 - Ariel Sharon
June 19, 2007 - 3 venus years in Earth days since flight 522 crash
Mercury at same position as during Ratzinger chosen as Pope
Lebanese army battles militants on two fronts
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070618/1/49ajm.html
US-Israel talks on Palestinians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6766551.stm
Death toll in Baghdad truck bombing rises to 87
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/20/iraq.main/index.html
June 25, 2007 - connected by HD Tetrahedron on a 911 based pattern with the December 26, 2004 9.3 earthquake, followed by a devastating Tsunami.
Flood chaos cripples South Asia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6239808.stm
Hundreds flee over dam burst fear
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/6239782.stm
Floods force thousands from homes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6239828.stm
County 'recovering' from flooding
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6248102.stm
Aid pleas after Pakistan cyclone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6252588.stm
South Asia rains toll nears 500 amid protests
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070629/1/49ji5.html
July 2, 2007 - HD Octahedron/Tetrahedron Pole date, 1 Mars year after flight 522 crah
see timeline July - December 2007

Do you really believe that any of us are going to read through all that incoherent *****?

[Paul]

They don't have shapes,Then why do you refer to them as if they do?


there are only geometrically determined interference area's on an orbit.So they are not hyperdimensional platonic solids, they are theoretical points in a higher dimension that you you claim to be able to calculate.


Hyper Dimensional geometry translated in to 2 dimensional geometrical correlations of an orbit.Orbits are four dimensional, especially because time is so important to your system, the rest of that I don't understand at all.


I don't know about objects, but hyper dimensional locations can be determined using Platonic Solid based geometry just like Hoagland and other researchers are doing.That doesn't explain the maths you use to calculate the theoretical position of a theoretical concept.

How do you use a limited set of three dimensional forms to determine a point in a higher dimension?

Do you mean Richard C. Hoagland, the unqualified NASA botherer and conspiracy nut?


What I do is applying this geometry on our perception of time. HDDesign is unique with this concept.How, using what calculations?


I think our reality is build on an invisible underlying Design.Unsupported opinion.

Every single moment in our perception of time is linked to this hidden underlying geometrical design.Unfounded assertion

A hyperdimensional solid becomes visible when the events are recognized as expressions of the same underlying theme on the geometrical correlations as determined by this Hyper dimensional solid.Circular, unsupported.


Events at the macrolevel do have an orientation on the calendar we use, Well, they'd have to have, wouldn't they, given that all you've just said is that things on a visible scale happen at a time and place.


so 9/11 and Madrid were marking the main HD solid : the Tetrahedron.That in no way follows. Why is the tetrahedron special what about the other four solids?

[dafydd]

I don't do exact predictions because I can't. Never said I could. I identify the underlying themes that could get momentum on specific moments in time. Once a timecoded pattern + theme has been Identified, it could be possible to become more specific. Take the Srebrenica anticipation for instance: I expected developments related to Mladic, Karadzic etc and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre.
I posted it months ago on the timeline and indeed these expected developments took place: the number 3 of the most wanted list was arrested ( Tolimir ) and the government of the Netherlands was sued ( for the Srebrenica Massacre ).
Its the same underlying pattern that took out Arkan and Milosevic and this pattern will continue. You will see related development next January aswell, I have already posted it.
Same thing with the Chinese sattellite, the security issue for Obama, the death of Jeltsin, the Hariri tribunal etc, etc,( If we only look at the first half of 2007 timeline)
I have been doing this for some time now and i will continue to do so.

Carry on mate,you are fooling nobody but yourself.I feel sorry for your wife and kids.

[dafydd]

I expected a Hirhoshima-Nagasaki echo.
The theory has been posted and the date determined 2 years or so ago. Its all in the 'breaking the code' thread
Do you want me to look it up for you or are you able yourselves?

all dates and themes on the timeline are predetermined, don't you get that or what?

Phrases like 'I expected a Hiroshima-Nagasaki echo' make me fear for your sanity.

[dafydd]

Dutch, if you are to continue in this subjective and infathomable project of yours and keep posting here, would you at least consider changing your name so that you won't give everyone here the idea that dutch people are all loonies?

Bruce
Holland

Yes,good idea.I live on the Dutch-Belgian border,and my Dutch friends are quite sane.Dutch is an exception.

[dafydd]

the 'communication' is profound and indeed venus related as described in the hddesign:
This is really 'in the face':
March 28 - the 2005 sumatran earthquake strikes off sumatra, three months after the 2004 indian ocean earthquake. At a magnitude of 8.7 it is the second largest earthquake since 1965.
March 28, 2005 - september 12, 2007: 898 days
or exactly 4 venus years in earth days: Venus at same geometrical postion during these sumatra quakes!!! Do you believe its just coincidental??

yessssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dafydd]

Quote:
Marathon victim died from drinking too MUCH water ( emphasis not mine)
A 22-year-old man died after completing his first London Marathon because he drank too much water.
David Rogers collapsed at the end of the race and died yesterday in Charing Cross Hospital.
Today it emerged the fitness instructor from Milton Keynes died from hyponatraemia, or water intoxication.
full article:
link
These events made me think about the Gods of our past, I wrote on the same day:
Quote:
Enki & Enlil, the Gods of Water and Air :?
The very same day I wrote:
Quote:
nice timing, Pan/Enki conditioning again
The Gap Moons
April 25, 2007 Full-Res: PIA08926
Saturn's ring-embedded moons, Pan and Daphnis, are captured in a single Cassini spacecraft narrow-angle frame in an alignment they repeat with the regularity of a precise cosmic clock. Pan is closer to Saturn, and thus orbits faster, and Pan overtakes Daphnis every 19 days.
The flying-saucer-like shape of Pan (26 kilometers, or 16 miles across) can easily be discerned here. Daphnis (7 kilometers, or 4.3 miles across) is a mere speck, although its presence is made obvious by the edge waves it creates in the surrounding ring material.
Pan also raises waves in the edges of the En.... ad nausem


Are you feeling alright? Is your wife worried about you? I would be

[dafydd]

Meatloaf (gehaktbrood)

Ingredienten
1 ui
1 groene paprika
40 gr blanke hazaelnoten
800 gr gehakt
2 eieren
1/2 dl (koffie)room
4 el paneermeel
1 zakje gehaktkruiden
1/2 el paprikapoeder
3 el bieslook
50 gr geraspte belegen kaas
evt. knoflook

Benodigdheden
oven
cakevorn
mengkom


Bereiding
Verwarm de oven op 200c.
Snipper de ui, paprika Evt knoflook. Hak de hazelnoten fijn.
Meng; het gehakt met de ui, paprika, eieren, (koffie)room, paneermeel, gehaktkruiden, paprikapoeder en bieslook.
Vet de cakevorm in en vul deze met het gehaktmengsel. Strijk deze glad en dek af met alluminium folie en prik daar wat gaatjes in zodat stoom
kan ontsnappen.
Zet voor een uur in de oven. Na 40 minuten haal het gehakt uit de oven en laat het vet eruit.
Verdeel de kaas en niten er over en dek nog af met alluminiumfolie en laat afbakken.

:p

Thanks,I made it and it was delicious.At least I've got something out of this thread.If anyone wants the recipe translated,just ask.Perhaps we can swap recipes and leave Dutch to his own fantasy world.

[dafydd]

"There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance."
Albert Einstein

You've got some brass neck and an amazing amount of cheek,quoting Einstein in support of your harebrained theory.

[dafydd]

'psychic ability' is what you ask from me in order to find out what's on your list, you just don't get that

And you don't get that if your 'theory' had any basis in reality you would be able to predict accurately a major event,and not tell us about it after it happened.Kunt U dat simpel punt echt niet bergrijpen.Stop met het eindloos lijsten van nummers. Wij hebben harde bewizen nodig.

[dafydd]

begrijpen,sorry

[dafydd]

Have you guys read the explanations given at Baut forum and the HDDesign forum or not? obviously its not clear what my point of perspective is. HD Physics has everything to do with rotation and what i do is 'translating'it in our perception of time. The actual 3 D location is irrelevant, the relative position is.

Please go through the material

I don't read fiction.

[dafydd]

Breaking news, I found a pattern!!!!!!

Today, something IN SPACE correlates to something that also happened IN SPACE a while ago.

Today, something NUCLEAR correlates to something that also happened with something NUCLEAR a while ago.

Today, something WITH WAR correlates to something that also happened with something WITH WAR a while ago.

Can you see the pattern?

Wow!!! You've convinced me! Old Dutch was right all along!

Removing all extranious matter,this is all that you have been saying Dutch,me old mucker.

[dafydd]

they will, I'm a bit behind because I haven't been online much during November and December.I have a job to do too

Shovelling smoke up chimneys?

[Dutch]

everytime someone thinks to ridicule this material, I know some profound insights are coming up.

and indeed

In order to understand the significance of the ‘communication’ that is taking place, I have to take you back in time. Once again it became clear to me this Easter weekend that the posted information in the HDDesign material is giving answers to the most profound questions in relation to the times we live in.
We go back to June 2005. At that time I had been working with the triggerdates system for more than a year as some readers might recall, based on the ‘awakenings’, ‘control’ and ‘ascension’ timeframes. Personally I don’t have a single doubt that I was ‘in tune’ with the hidden underlying patterns that would soon show these important events.
I wrote on June 10, 2005 about this triggerdate system:
“The 555 start and end triggers on the 1111 days awakenings timeframe and the 911 start and end triggers on the 1823 days 'Control' timeframe create subwindows like this:
555 start trigger - in between 6 days - 911 end trigger - in between 3 days - 911 start trigger -
in between 6 days - 555 end trigger.
creating 3 subwindows of 7 - 4 - 7 days
555 and 911 are closely related and I expect the 747 relevance will become more clear soon
IP: xxx.xxx.xx.xx | Posted on: 2005/6/10 11:40”
Using this triggersystem I was able to identify the marker-event that unveils the hidden underlying Design for this very important timeframe, an U-2 plane crash:
“A 555 start trigger event on the 1111 days awakenings timeframe around June 22, 2005:
December 15, 1997 - A chartered Tupolev TU-154 from Tajikistan crashes in the desert near Sharja, United Arab Emirates airport killing 85
yesterday June 22, 2005:
US pilot killed in U-2 crash in United Arab Emirates”
It was the start of the 7-4-7 based 16 days time coded pattern which showed the actual impact on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005 and which made me expect a 9/11 like event to occur on this specific timecoded pattern. I wrote on June 24, 2005”
“The U2 crash is a Hyperdimensionally initiated marker
in relation to a 911 related event to happen on the emerging pattern.”
And the day after ‘Deep Impact ‘ on comet Temple I, on July 5, 2005:
“July 7 is coming up as the last day on the possible 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern”.
On that day the July 7, 2005 London Bombings happened.
Back in 2005 it was already clear that this timeframe with Deep Impact is very important, I wrote “The impact on Comet Temple 1 (the first Temple ) could have undesired side effects, becoming visible as Hyperdimensionally initiated events following predictable patterns as Indications of Intelligent design."
I decided to continue monitoring it as a 7-4-7 based ongoing timecoded pattern and all related info was posted in a separate thread that can be found here ( including the quotes I am using in this post):
July 7 London Bombings 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about14-hddesign.html
The ongoing 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern started with the U-2 crash and went on like this:
“7-4-7 based 16 days window:
June 22 : U2 crash
July 4: Deep Impact
July 7: London bombings
next 7-4-7 based, 16 days window
July 7: London
July 22/23: Eqypt bombings
next 7-4-7 based, 16 days window:
July 22: Egypt bombing
August 3: plane crash marker ( 3 days off as deep impact, as above..)
August 6: anticipated event"
So I expected a related event on August 6, 2005 but didn’t catch it back in 2005, we had to wait until 2009 in order to understand the event and the importance of this date August 6, 2005 as we will see later on in this post.
Prior to this timeframe I was investigating 737 crashes and as some readers might recall and when the 737 flight 522 crashed in Marathon, Greece, in the ‘heart of the 4’ of this pattern on August 14, 2005, I instantly understood the signifigance of this crash. The flight 522 crash became one of the major events in our times and it keeps on popping up in the HDDesign material, I called it THE crash marker and referred to it consistently as “running on autopilot towards a nuclear event” but its full importance will finally become clear as I will show you later on in this post.

I have written a lot about the flight 522 crash and it can be reviewed in the ‘breaking the code’ thread.
The hyper dimensional answer to Deep Impact on comet Temple I was given at the soonest possibility provided by the harmonics within our solarsystem: when the innerplanet with the shortest orbit in Earth days Mercury ‘The Messenger’ crossed its position line during Deep Impact on comet Temple I, mirroring its orbital position exactly on the opposite side of the Sun:
Its Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level orientation August 17, 2005. I wrote:
evidence that Katrina was probably manipulated by Hyper Dimensional energy flows, manifested on the by me pre-determined Hyper Dimensional CUBE date August 17:
Monday, September 26, 2005
"Hyperdimensional Katrina": Scientific Evidence -- NEW Rita Update! -- 7:33 PM- 9/26/05
quote:
"August 17, 2005 -- fully 12 days BEFORE Katrina hit New Orleans!!
Obviously, then, this official National Weather Service radar data CANNOT be from the landfall of Hurricane Katrina ... which didn't come ashore in southern Louisiana until the wee hours of August 29th!
In fact, here's what the official radar loop (below) of Katrina's actual landfall on the 29th
==
So, what makes the loop from the 17th -- twelve days earlier -- so unusual ...?
This!
This image (below) is the last pre-sunset GEOS visual satellite image of the Louisiana area from the same day as the New Orleans' radar "anomaly" -- August 17th.
As you can see, it reveals a few thunderstorms situated to the north and west of New Orleans the City ... but in the area northeast of the City -- where those peculiar "radar bands" are locasted in the close-up -- there are no clouds or precipitation at all!
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Just what the hell is going on!?
Radar images on the National Weather Service NEXRAD image loops are created by transmitted radar energy (from the radar antenna) being reflected back to that same antenna, as a function of azimuth (a 360-degree position, relative to the transmitter). The NEXRAD system "refreshes" these images every 6 minutes -- revealing precipitation (rain, or hail or snow) within hundreds of miles of the antenna. Sometimes, when birds are migrating ... or insects are swarming in the Spring ... the radar system can detect echoes from objects OTHER than raindrops or snowflakes ... but that is very rare.
In this case, two highly patterned, incredibly regular, slowly-rotating "vortices" -- one northeast of New Orleans, the other to the south, and in TOTALLY CLEAR AIR! -- are reflecting strong echoes BACK to the NEXRAD antenna ... when there's NOTHING suspended in that air for the radar beam to be reflecting from!!
Totally inexplicable ... by any standard meteorological measure.
And, in case you have any remaining doubts about the truly anomalous nature of this August 17th New Orleans' radar loop, here (below) is a simultaneous infrared series of GEOS satellite images from UNISYS (a commerical weather corporation, offering National Weather Service data to its clients) of the same area ... and covering the same time period (note the time code at the top-right of the graphic).
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Yet, the anomalous "radar bands" of August 17, 2005 persist ... centered on New Orleans.
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Just like a giant "bulls eye" was somehow being painted on the Crescent City ... 12 days before Katrina struck.
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That, in fact, is exactly what our "hyperdimensional model" for Hurricane Katrina is proposing: that what we are seeing in this extraordinary radar sequence ... is the standard NEXRAD radar signal being -- somehow -- reflected back from the clear air over and around New Orleans ... air which has somehow been made "radar reflective" by the application of an otherwise invisible "energy" signature ... from somewhere.
While the precise nature of this anomalous "reflection mechanism" is currently unknown -- without further information from other sensor systems -- possibilities range from "actual ionization of the air" itself (making it more electrically conductive -- and thus radar reflective), to equally anomalous "wavelike" changes in the density of the air within the rotating radar beam ....
In the HD Model, it is this "HD imprinting" of New Orleans, by this impossible (in current physics) "energy vortex signature" which ... 12 days later ... literally attracted Hurricane Katrina right to New Orleans ... exactly like a homesick homing pigeon!
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read Hoaglands update here:
link (http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm)

So we have Deep Impact and the flight 522 crash. As I have outlined above, the underlying patterns also pinpointed at august 6, 2005 as a determined date that could give a related event.
That event suddenly popped up while monitoring the timeframe around March 23, 2009 ( see timeline Q1 ) . I expected a Hirhoshima-Nagasaki echo/expression for that timeframe and indeed such an event occurred, its about surviving this nuclear horror:
Elderly man officially recognized as double hibakusha
Elderly man officially recognized as double hibakusha
NAGASAKI -- A 93-year-old man who experienced atomic bombings in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki has won official recognition as a dual hibakusha.
The Nagasaki Municipal Government acknowledged on Monday that Tsutomu Yamaguchi, 93, from Nagasaki, Nagasaki Prefecture, was not only exposed to the atomic bomb in Nagasaki but also in Hiroshima, and updated his A-bomb survivor's ID. So far, only his experience in Nagasaki had been recognized.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/archive/news/2009/03/24/20090324p2a00m0na006000c.html
a day later I found the August 6, 2005 correlation, I added to the timeline of Q1 2009:
added on the timeline:
“An Italian court has jailed a Tunisian pilot who paused to pray instead of taking emergency measures before ditching his plane, killing 16 people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7962082.stm
NOTE THAT THIS PLANE CAME DOWN ON 'HIRHOSIMA':
The twin-engined Tuninter ATR-72 turboprop aeroplane was flying from the Italian city of Bari to the Tunisian island of Djerba on 6 August 2005, when it ran out of fuel and came down in the sea”
On the same day:
“This praying pilot was jailed with Earth at the same orbittal position as during the end of the 9/11 - Madrid bombings timecoded Phi spiral, around March 23, 2009, a timeframe which is Golden Mean Phi based connected with the atomic bombs of Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and the end of the Mayan calendar.
A Hirhoshima- Nagasaki echo was expected, which has happened with Yamaguchi becomming a double Hibakusha, just like the expected Nagasaki echo directly determined from August 9, 1945 on for July 16, 2007, the day of the Japanese Earthquake which caused the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak .
Mercury 'The Messenger was on the same orbittal position during these 2 timeframes ( March 23, 2009 and July 16, 2007)
9/11 happened with Mars at same orbittal position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, december 23, 2012.
December 23, 2012 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers. ( from wikipedia)
With this Sicilian crash at 'Hirhoshima' August 6, 2005 as midpoint between July 17, 2007 Nagasaki echo and:
August 27, 2003 - Perihelic Opposition: Mars makes its closest approach to Earth in over 50,000 years.
'Hirhoshima' crash August 6, 2005 - December 23, 2012: Venus at same orbittal position
2696 days or exactly 12 Venus years in Earth days
next in line of thought is the same upcoming orbittal position of Venus around April 15, 2009, the same as during end of Mayan calendar and the 'Hirhoshima' crash.
That date was already on the timeline of Q2: the anniversarry of the assassination of Lincoln.
The US President at that time had ultimately decided to drop the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki
Obama beware
With March 28, 2009 coming up as midpoint in Earth days between Deep Impact and the end of the Mayan Calendar ( followed by July 7 London bombings 3 days later around March 31 ), we now have a midpoint coming up in Venus years in Earth days:

April 15, 2009 Venus midpoint between 'Hirhoshima' crash - end of Mayan calendar
In Venus years in Earth days:
August 6, 2005 Hirhoshima crash - 6 Venus Years in Earthdays - April 15, 2009 Venus midpoint - 6 Venus Years in Earthdays - end of Mayan calendar”.
Followed with these profound revelations the next day:
Well,
What I’m going to tell right now should be taken very serious
This ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005 in unveiling the hidden underlying Design as described in my earlier posts.
Like I said, The US President at that time had ultimately decided to drop the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki.
I have posted earlier about this subject on October 15, 2007:
Monday October 15, 2007
Last week when somebody asked me about The Tunguska event and I had to think about Deep Impact on Temple I instantly. When I calculated the Phi point ( Golden Mean) I saw that it should be somewhere during WWII but not Hirhoshima-Nagasaki, because I didn't recognize the Hirhoshima/Nagasaki - Deep impact timeframe as such. As this has everything to do with consciousness, I expected that the nuclear theme would pop up somehow, probably with nuclear testing or decission making. That's what I thought just before I came to know about the exact date of the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact.
I have to emphasize that I almost fell out of my chair when I noticed that this Phi point coincided with the approval by the US President to use nuclear bombs!!! ( which actually happened some days later).
I think we really have to let go our linear perspective of time and our rigid perception of causality.
We have to deal with these carmic issues indeed, but it would be a very bad idea for someone to decide to misuse nuclear power again. very bad for our destiny
On January 15 this year I added:
As posted above, we have seen this Pi expression by spacecraft Deep Impact with the Deep Impact/Epoxi - Earth - Moon Transit and the 2 comet encounters, of which an actual Impact on comet Temple I
By synchronicity I had to think about the Tunguska event.
There are 2 Pi points between the Tunguska event and the impact on comet Temple I, similar as described in a previous post .
Both Pi points show Venus at the same orbital position , the very same orbital position Venus will reach during the end of the Mayan Calendar.!
Tunguska....Deep Impact......end of Mayan calendar...Planets
I think we really have to let go our linear perspective of time and our rigid perception of causality.
This means that Tunguska has happened in the past in our perspective of time, but that in fact Tunguska was an Intelligently Designed event because of the impact on comet Temple I and because we used nuclear weapons.
This doesn't mean we will experience a Tunguska-like event on December 21, 2012.
It does mean that we shouldn't mess with space and nuclear weapons, as I have said numerous times.
Much will depend on how we will deal with the carmic issues that are coming up.
We can be taken out in a wink with a similar Solar flare as posted above, a Tunguska-like event or even a Gamma burst the kind like the one happened at the end of the 9/11 Phi- spiral, but closer at home.
It doesn't have to be that way but we have to understand our responsibilities
Now back to the ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005
We have already seen that this crash has happened with Venus at the same orbital position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, just like the 2 Golden Mean Phi points between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I as described above.
The ‘communication’ is ‘in the face’:
With these corresponding Venus positions, the Golden mean ratio and the relation to the Tunguska event, one might expect that this Augst 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’ crash should confirm the hidden underlying Design.
And the confirmation is unmistaken, giving profound meaning:
‘Tunguska’ happened on June 30, 1908
‘Hirhoshima’ crash happened on August 6, 2005
Timeframe from June 30, 1908 ‘Tunguska’ – August 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’crash:
35.466 days
Golden Mean Phi point: at day 35.466 / 2.61803399 ( Phi ) = day 13.547 from ‘Tunguska’.
Its august 2, 1945

Military Orders:
Field Orders 13 dated 2 August 1945 -- 14.9 mByte -- Orders issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE to attack targets in Japan on August 6, 1945 Primary: Hiroshima Industrial Area -- Secondary: Kokura Arsenal
Report Number 8 dated - Field Orders 13 - --490 KB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #13 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 6 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Hiroshima Raid
Report Number 9 - Field Orders 17 - --4.31 MB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #16 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 9 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Nagasaki Raid
http://beserfoundation.org/archive.htm
Around April 15, 2009 Venus will take the same orbital position again
see timeline Q2 2009:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=374&mforum=hddesign
2 days later I wrote:
“The 2 biggest mistakes mankind has made are the dropping of the atomic bombs and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.
I think I have written hundreds of times as the 2 major underlying themes of our times: "don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space" or in other words.
On July 20, 1945 the US President decided to use nuclear weapons against Japan.
That was exactly at Phipoint between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.
This 'Hirhoshima crash' happend on August 6, 2005, creating a timeframe with the phipoint between Tunguska and this 'Hirhoshima crash' on August 2, 1945, when the military order was given to use nuclear weapons against Japan
Its unbelievable that people fail to see the signifigance of this
Tunguska and the 'Hirhoshima crash' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.
Tunguska is a warning”.
Followed by this the next day:
“Besides this Jesus Christ's face appearing on a broken meteorite (actually or ‘conditioning’) as ‘Tunguska synchronicity’, there was another ‘confirmation’ during that same timeframe:
On March 25 it was published that for the first time, scientists have matched a meteorite found on Earth with a specific asteroid that became a fireball plunging through the sky.
Astronomers tracked a small non-threatening asteroid heading toward Earth before it became a "shooting star" - something they had not done before. It blew up in the sky and scientists thought there would be no space rocks left to examine, But a painstaking search by dozens of students through the remote Sudan desert came up with four kilograms of black jagged rocks - leftovers from the asteroid 2008 TC3.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090325/world/science_asteroid_match_1
The symbolism of this synchronicity is clear: This is about the real origin of meteorites, this is about the real origin and meaning of the ‘Tunguska event’.
The time frame around March 28 was identified as Golden Mean Phi linked to the flight 522 crash in Marathon, Greece on August 14, 2005 and this years flight 1549 Hudson crash landing.
The flight 522 crash is one of the major events that play an important role inn this ‘Hyper Dimensional Design reasearch’, it stands for “running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation", the people onboard flight 522 were frozen to death.
The flight 1549 Hudson crash landing is showing us that we can land this plane safe with no casualties.
I expected a related event for around March 28 but of course I didn’t knew what to expect.
In a previous post I already mentioned that ‘Tunguska' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.
Tunguska is a warning
And it is ‘Tunguska’ again that finds expression on this anticipated timeframe around March 28:
Published on March 27, Golden Mean linked to Flight 522 & 1549 crashes:
And again it is about the real origin of the ‘Tunguska event’:
Was the Tunguska Fireball a Comet Chemical Bomb?
March 27th, 2009
Over a century ago, on June 30th, 1908 a huge explosion detonated over an unpopulated region of Russia called Tunguska. It is probably one of the most enduring mysteries of this planet. What could cause such a huge explosion in the atmosphere, with the energy of a thousand Hiroshima atomic bombs, flattening a forest the area of Luxembourg and yet leaving no crater? It is little wonder that the Tunguska event has become great material for science fiction writers; how could such a huge blast, that shook the Earth's magnetic field and lit up the Northern Hemisphere skies for three days leave no crater and just a bunch of flattened, scorched trees?

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/27/was-the-tunguska-fireball-a-comet-chemical-bomb/
The destiny of mankind is in our hands, we will keep on running towards nuclear devastation or we will crash land safe, the probability of the latter goes hand in hand to what extend we will be able to listen to ‘Tunguska’s warning’.
“Don’t mess with nuclear power ( Hirhoshima/Nagasaki) and stay out of space ( Deep impact on Tempe I )” ( end of quote )

So Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan.
This 'Hirshosima crash' ( reread previous posts about the identification ) happened on August 6 2005, THE moment with at Phi point in between Tunguska the moment the military order to use nuclear weapons was given
So both Tunguska and the Hirhoshima crash on August 6, 2005 happened on an intelligently Designed moment in our perception of time, marking Deep Impact and the political decision and mission orders to use nuclear arms on Hirhoshima-Nagasaki.
And now the signifigance of flight 522 ‘running on autopilot towards nuclear event’ crash in Marathon, Greece, becomes clear in full force:
Tunguska and flight 522 crash are marking at Phi point:
August 6, 1945 – detonation of an atomic bomb on Hirhoshima !!!!!!
Now lets see what has happened during this Easter weekend because I expected a related event. Flight 522 was flying on autopilot with the pilots and passengers frozen to death.
Besides this emerging nuclear conflict with Korea with it space launch I noticed this on the same CNN main page when I was monitoring this timeframe ( for more related events see timeline Q2 2009 ):
From the timeline:
updated april 14-15
Report: North Korea to quit nuclear talks
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/14/nkorea.talks/index.html
Passenger helps land plane after pilot dies
Controllers help him turn off autopilot, land plane: "The turn looks good, very good sir"
"an Easter miracle"
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/04/13/florida.plane.emergency/index.html
So the warnings given by Tunguska and the August 6 and 14 2005 crashes should be understood, but the Design is also indicating that we can land this plane safe so to speak. Just like this praying pilot on August 6, 2005 or Yamaguchi becoming a double Hibakusha, the Hudson crash landing or these people experiencing this Easter miracle.
Much will depend on how we will deal with the related karmic issues that are coming up. Keep Obama alive!

[Paulhoff]

It just amazes me how much you write Dutch, all the time that you waste in not proving anything about your so-called “Hyper Dimensional Design”. You do have a real problem, please get help.

Paul

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[AWPrime]

everytime someone thinks to ridicule this material, I know some profound insights are coming up.

and indeedIt ridicules itself.

[Klimax]

Crap in,crap out,but this looks like crap-self-reinforcing-generator.

[Dutch]

It just amazes me how much you write Dutch, all the time that you waste in not proving anything about your so-called “Hyper Dimensional Design”. You do have a real problem, please get help.

Paul

:) :) :)

I do get help Paul

[Paulhoff]

I do get help Paul
Just not good help.

Paul

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[The Man]

I do get help Paul

Would that be 'hyper-dimensional help' perchance?

[Paulhoff]

Would that be 'hyper-dimensional help' perchance?
A misplaced figment of one’s imagination is not any help, it only lead of to more of the same and without any understand of how things really work in this universe it will only lead to a bigger misplaced figment.

He is no different then a Jesus freak as an example.

Paul

:) :) :)

[dafydd]

"everytime someone thinks to ridicule this material, I know some profound insights are coming up."

LOL LOL LOL .................

[The Man]

A misplaced figment of one’s imagination is not any help, it only lead of to more of the same and without any understand of how things really work in this universe it will only lead to a bigger misplaced figment.

He is no different then a Jesus freak as an example.

Paul

:) :) :)

Oh, I absolutely agree Paul, as Dutch’s dimensional design hype apparently lacks, well, dimensions and any design. Additionally it is a thread on the math and science subforum without anything resembling math or science being presented buy the originator. This thread is, and Dutch’s claims are, more suited to the religion and philosophy subforum.

[Dutch]

Yesterday,
I had to think of the Roswell crash and decided to give it a look again.
It happened on a July 7 in 1947.
As described in the above post, July 7 is Earth's orbittal position that marked the hidden underlying timecoded pattern as outlined above.
I decided to check it as a Phi point with the Tunguska event, in addition to my previous post here.
The determined date appeared to be an August 17, 2010 , Earth's orbittal position of the Deep Impact 'answer', with this Hyper Dimensionally initiated charge up of the New Orleans area 12 days prior to the landfall of Katrina.
At this point I only took notice of the correlations between these two dates and decided to let it rest until August next year or so, or maybe sooner when it would pop up by synchronicity again.
It was already a synchronicity: I didn't have to wait long for this synchronicity because it was already there:
April 20, 2009
Former astronaut: Man not alone in universe
"mitchell, who was part of the 1971 Apollo 14 moon mission, asserted Monday that extraterrestrial life exists, and that the truth is being concealed by the U.S. and other governments."
==SNIP=
"Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico, which some UFO believers maintain was the site of a UFO crash in 1947. He said residents of his hometown "had been hushed and told not to talk about their experience by military authorities." They had been warned of "dire consequences" if they did so."
But, he claimed, they "didn't want to go to the grave with their story. They wanted to tell somebody reliable. And being a local boy and having been to the moon, they considered me reliable enough to whisper in my ear their particular story."
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/20/ufo.conference/index.html
So you can mark this date August 17, 2010 in your agenda for next year, I will make sure you won't miss it.
There's another synchronicity that we should be aware of and what it implicates.
Mitchell said:
"Our destiny, in my opinion, and we might as well get started with it, is [to] become a part of the planetary community. ... We should be ready to reach out beyond our planet and beyond our solar system to find out what is really going on out there."
Synchronistically:
April 20, 2009
Scientist Hawking ill in hospital
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8008767.stm
Hawking, in an exclusive CNN interview, said that if humans can survive the next 200 years and learn to live in space, then our future will be bright.
"I believe that the long-term future of the human race must be in space," said Hawking, who is almost completely paralyzed by the illness ALS.
"It will be difficult enough to avoid disaster on planet Earth in the next 100 years, let alone next thousand, or million. The human race shouldn't have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet. Let's hope we can avoid dropping the basket until we have spread the load."
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/09/hawking/index.html
I think that HDDesign indicates that both are wrong, that human consciousness should remain Earthbound and that we should be aware what we are actually doing out there in space. Obviously, to target a comet like we did with Temple I is something we are crossing a red line with.
We aren't even able to take good care of Earth as a planet with all its life forms.
We are messing around with nuclear power and don't even think about the possible consequences for other parts of our multidimensional reality, or consciousness itself.
Progress for mankind can only be achieved when we understand and learn from the ( karmic ) reality we live in, taking good care of our planet and all life forms.

[Paulhoff]

I think that HDDesign (DUTCH thinks) indicates that both are wrong, that human consciousness should remain Earthbound and that we should be aware what we are actually doing out there in space. Obviously, to target a comet like we did with Temple I is something we are crossing a red line with.

It is all about what you think Dutch, nothing else.

Paul

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[Blue Mountain]

Dutch, there are several questions outstanding in this thread. You can't simply post and run; that's a violation of Rule 6 ("You will not 'spam' or 'flood' the Forum.")

Can I get an answer to the question I asked in post #1612?

[Dutch]

Yes you get your answer and I still have to thank you for insisting, because your second request on this issue made me aware of the fact that I was missing something else although I didn't knew exactly what.

I came aware of it during this Easter weekend, that the flight 522 crash has been there in the HDDesign material all the time but I didn't recognize the Tunguska - Hirhoshima correlation.

When you insisted with this irrelevant request I knew I was missing something, I know that from former occasions.

Your request itself is irrelevant, because I was talking about a sequence of 'Obama security issues' and I had to walk through this thread before in order to list them for those who don't read. I didn't do that again this time as you might understand, a sequence is a sequence and if I would have gone through this thread or the timelines could have listed them again and even count them for you. You know its irrelevant but you insisted, subconsciously making me alert of this missing link with the flight 522 crash. Thank you for that, much appreciated.

[Dutch]

It is all about what you think Dutch, nothing else.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul,
We will talk about this specific issue around Hyper Dimensional Cube timeframe August 17, 2010.

Don't worry, I will remind you

[Paulhoff]

Paul,
We will talk about this specific issue around Hyper Dimensional Cube timeframe August 17, 2010.

Don't worry, I will remind you
I want to know what it is now, not something that happens within a few days of that date and not after it has already been cherry-picked by you.

Paul

:) :) :)

[The Man]

Yes you get your answer and I still have to thank you for insisting, because your second request on this issue made me aware of the fact that I was missing something else although I didn't knew exactly what.

I came aware of it during this Easter weekend, that the flight 522 crash has been there in the HDDesign material all the time but I didn't recognize the Tunguska - Hirhoshima correlation.

When you insisted with this irrelevant request I knew I was missing something, I know that from former occasions.

Your request itself is irrelevant, because I was talking about a sequence of 'Obama security issues' and I had to walk through this thread before in order to list them for those who don't read. I didn't do that again this time as you might understand, a sequence is a sequence and if I would have gone through this thread or the timelines could have listed them again and even count them for you. You know its irrelevant but you insisted, subconsciously making me alert of this missing link with the flight 522 crash. Thank you for that, much appreciated.


So now you think you’re getting subconscious ‘Blue Mountain’ non-dimensional un-designed hype help?

[dafydd]

everytime someone thinks to ridicule this material, I know some profound insights are coming up.

and indeed

In order to understand the significance of the ‘communication’ that is taking place, I have to take you back in time. Once again it became clear to me this Easter weekend that the posted information in the HDDesign material is giving answers to the most profound questions in relation to the times we live in.
We go back to June 2005. At that time I had been working with the triggerdates system for more than a year as some readers might recall, based on the ‘awakenings’, ‘control’ and ‘ascension’ timeframes. Personally I don’t have a single doubt that I was ‘in tune’ with the hidden underlying patterns that would soon show these important events.
I wrote on June 10, 2005 about this triggerdate system:
“The 555 start and end triggers on the 1111 days awakenings timeframe and the 911 start and end triggers on the 1823 days 'Control' timeframe create subwindows like this:
555 start trigger - in between 6 days - 911 end trigger - in between 3 days - 911 start trigger -
in between 6 days - 555 end trigger.
creating 3 subwindows of 7 - 4 - 7 days
555 and 911 are closely related and I expect the 747 relevance will become more clear soon
IP: xxx.xxx.xx.xx | Posted on: 2005/6/10 11:40”
Using this triggersystem I was able to identify the marker-event that unveils the hidden underlying Design for this very important timeframe, an U-2 plane crash:
“A 555 start trigger event on the 1111 days awakenings timeframe around June 22, 2005:
December 15, 1997 - A chartered Tupolev TU-154 from Tajikistan crashes in the desert near Sharja, United Arab Emirates airport killing 85
yesterday June 22, 2005:
US pilot killed in U-2 crash in United Arab Emirates”
It was the start of the 7-4-7 based 16 days time coded pattern which showed the actual impact on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005 and which made me expect a 9/11 like event to occur on this specific timecoded pattern. I wrote on June 24, 2005”
“The U2 crash is a Hyperdimensionally initiated marker
in relation to a 911 related event to happen on the emerging pattern.”
And the day after ‘Deep Impact ‘ on comet Temple I, on July 5, 2005:
“July 7 is coming up as the last day on the possible 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern”.
On that day the July 7, 2005 London Bombings happened.
Back in 2005 it was already clear that this timeframe with Deep Impact is very important, I wrote “The impact on Comet Temple 1 (the first Temple ) could have undesired side effects, becoming visible as Hyperdimensionally initiated events following predictable patterns as Indications of Intelligent design."
I decided to continue monitoring it as a 7-4-7 based ongoing timecoded pattern and all related info was posted in a separate thread that can be found here ( including the quotes I am using in this post):
July 7 London Bombings 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about14-hddesign.html
The ongoing 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern started with the U-2 crash and went on like this:
“7-4-7 based 16 days window:
June 22 : U2 crash
July 4: Deep Impact
July 7: London bombings
next 7-4-7 based, 16 days window
July 7: London
July 22/23: Eqypt bombings
next 7-4-7 based, 16 days window:
July 22: Egypt bombing
August 3: plane crash marker ( 3 days off as deep impact, as above..)
August 6: anticipated event"
So I expected a related event on August 6, 2005 but didn’t catch it back in 2005, we had to wait until 2009 in order to understand the event and the importance of this date August 6, 2005 as we will see later on in this post.
Prior to this timeframe I was investigating 737 crashes and as some readers might recall and when the 737 flight 522 crashed in Marathon, Greece, in the ‘heart of the 4’ of this pattern on August 14, 2005, I instantly understood the signifigance of this crash. The flight 522 crash became one of the major events in our times and it keeps on popping up in the HDDesign material, I called it THE crash marker and referred to it consistently as “running on autopilot towards a nuclear event” but its full importance will finally become clear as I will show you later on in this post.

I have written a lot about the flight 522 crash and it can be reviewed in the ‘breaking the code’ thread.
The hyper dimensional answer to Deep Impact on comet Temple I was given at the soonest possibility provided by the harmonics within our solarsystem: when the innerplanet with the shortest orbit in Earth days Mercury ‘The Messenger’ crossed its position line during Deep Impact on comet Temple I, mirroring its orbital position exactly on the opposite side of the Sun:
Its Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level orientation August 17, 2005. I wrote:


So we have Deep Impact and the flight 522 crash. As I have outlined above, the underlying patterns also pinpointed at august 6, 2005 as a determined date that could give a related event.
That event suddenly popped up while monitoring the timeframe around March 23, 2009 ( see timeline Q1 ) . I expected a Hirhoshima-Nagasaki echo/expression for that timeframe and indeed such an event occurred, its about surviving this nuclear horror:
Elderly man officially recognized as double hibakusha
Elderly man officially recognized as double hibakusha
NAGASAKI -- A 93-year-old man who experienced atomic bombings in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki has won official recognition as a dual hibakusha.
The Nagasaki Municipal Government acknowledged on Monday that Tsutomu Yamaguchi, 93, from Nagasaki, Nagasaki Prefecture, was not only exposed to the atomic bomb in Nagasaki but also in Hiroshima, and updated his A-bomb survivor's ID. So far, only his experience in Nagasaki had been recognized.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/archive/news/2009/03/24/20090324p2a00m0na006000c.html
a day later I found the August 6, 2005 correlation, I added to the timeline of Q1 2009:
added on the timeline:
“An Italian court has jailed a Tunisian pilot who paused to pray instead of taking emergency measures before ditching his plane, killing 16 people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7962082.stm
NOTE THAT THIS PLANE CAME DOWN ON 'HIRHOSIMA':
The twin-engined Tuninter ATR-72 turboprop aeroplane was flying from the Italian city of Bari to the Tunisian island of Djerba on 6 August 2005, when it ran out of fuel and came down in the sea”
On the same day:
“This praying pilot was jailed with Earth at the same orbittal position as during the end of the 9/11 - Madrid bombings timecoded Phi spiral, around March 23, 2009, a timeframe which is Golden Mean Phi based connected with the atomic bombs of Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and the end of the Mayan calendar.
A Hirhoshima- Nagasaki echo was expected, which has happened with Yamaguchi becomming a double Hibakusha, just like the expected Nagasaki echo directly determined from August 9, 1945 on for July 16, 2007, the day of the Japanese Earthquake which caused the worlds biggest nuclear plant to leak .
Mercury 'The Messenger was on the same orbittal position during these 2 timeframes ( March 23, 2009 and July 16, 2007)
9/11 happened with Mars at same orbittal position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, december 23, 2012.
December 23, 2012 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers. ( from wikipedia)
With this Sicilian crash at 'Hirhoshima' August 6, 2005 as midpoint between July 17, 2007 Nagasaki echo and:
August 27, 2003 - Perihelic Opposition: Mars makes its closest approach to Earth in over 50,000 years.
'Hirhoshima' crash August 6, 2005 - December 23, 2012: Venus at same orbittal position
2696 days or exactly 12 Venus years in Earth days
next in line of thought is the same upcoming orbittal position of Venus around April 15, 2009, the same as during end of Mayan calendar and the 'Hirhoshima' crash.
That date was already on the timeline of Q2: the anniversarry of the assassination of Lincoln.
The US President at that time had ultimately decided to drop the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki
Obama beware
With March 28, 2009 coming up as midpoint in Earth days between Deep Impact and the end of the Mayan Calendar ( followed by July 7 London bombings 3 days later around March 31 ), we now have a midpoint coming up in Venus years in Earth days:

April 15, 2009 Venus midpoint between 'Hirhoshima' crash - end of Mayan calendar
In Venus years in Earth days:
August 6, 2005 Hirhoshima crash - 6 Venus Years in Earthdays - April 15, 2009 Venus midpoint - 6 Venus Years in Earthdays - end of Mayan calendar”.
Followed with these profound revelations the next day:
Well,
What I’m going to tell right now should be taken very serious
This ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005 in unveiling the hidden underlying Design as described in my earlier posts.
Like I said, The US President at that time had ultimately decided to drop the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki.
I have posted earlier about this subject on October 15, 2007:

On January 15 this year I added:

Now back to the ‘Hirhoshima’ crash on August 6, 2005
We have already seen that this crash has happened with Venus at the same orbital position as during the end of the Mayan Calendar, just like the 2 Golden Mean Phi points between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I as described above.
The ‘communication’ is ‘in the face’:
With these corresponding Venus positions, the Golden mean ratio and the relation to the Tunguska event, one might expect that this Augst 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’ crash should confirm the hidden underlying Design.
And the confirmation is unmistaken, giving profound meaning:
‘Tunguska’ happened on June 30, 1908
‘Hirhoshima’ crash happened on August 6, 2005
Timeframe from June 30, 1908 ‘Tunguska’ – August 6, 2005 ‘Hirhoshima’crash:
35.466 days
Golden Mean Phi point: at day 35.466 / 2.61803399 ( Phi ) = day 13.547 from ‘Tunguska’.
Its august 2, 1945

Military Orders:
Field Orders 13 dated 2 August 1945 -- 14.9 mByte -- Orders issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE to attack targets in Japan on August 6, 1945 Primary: Hiroshima Industrial Area -- Secondary: Kokura Arsenal
Report Number 8 dated - Field Orders 13 - --490 KB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #13 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 6 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Hiroshima Raid
Report Number 9 - Field Orders 17 - --4.31 MB-- Mission Planning Summary -- Special Bombing Mission, #16 Issued by the TWENTIETH AIR FORCE GUAM -- Mission Executed: 9 August 1945 -- Details the orders for the Nagasaki Raid
http://beserfoundation.org/archive.htm
Around April 15, 2009 Venus will take the same orbital position again
see timeline Q2 2009:
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=374&mforum=hddesign
2 days later I wrote:
“The 2 biggest mistakes mankind has made are the dropping of the atomic bombs and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.
I think I have written hundreds of times as the 2 major underlying themes of our times: "don't mess with nuclear power and stay out of space" or in other words.
On July 20, 1945 the US President decided to use nuclear weapons against Japan.
That was exactly at Phipoint between Tunguska and Deep Impact on comet Temple I.
This 'Hirhoshima crash' happend on August 6, 2005, creating a timeframe with the phipoint between Tunguska and this 'Hirhoshima crash' on August 2, 1945, when the military order was given to use nuclear weapons against Japan
Its unbelievable that people fail to see the signifigance of this
Tunguska and the 'Hirhoshima crash' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.
Tunguska is a warning”.
Followed by this the next day:
“Besides this Jesus Christ's face appearing on a broken meteorite (actually or ‘conditioning’) as ‘Tunguska synchronicity’, there was another ‘confirmation’ during that same timeframe:
On March 25 it was published that for the first time, scientists have matched a meteorite found on Earth with a specific asteroid that became a fireball plunging through the sky.
Astronomers tracked a small non-threatening asteroid heading toward Earth before it became a "shooting star" - something they had not done before. It blew up in the sky and scientists thought there would be no space rocks left to examine, But a painstaking search by dozens of students through the remote Sudan desert came up with four kilograms of black jagged rocks - leftovers from the asteroid 2008 TC3.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090325/world/science_asteroid_match_1
The symbolism of this synchronicity is clear: This is about the real origin of meteorites, this is about the real origin and meaning of the ‘Tunguska event’.
The time frame around March 28 was identified as Golden Mean Phi linked to the flight 522 crash in Marathon, Greece on August 14, 2005 and this years flight 1549 Hudson crash landing.
The flight 522 crash is one of the major events that play an important role inn this ‘Hyper Dimensional Design reasearch’, it stands for “running on autopilot towards nuclear devastation", the people onboard flight 522 were frozen to death.
The flight 1549 Hudson crash landing is showing us that we can land this plane safe with no casualties.
I expected a related event for around March 28 but of course I didn’t knew what to expect.
In a previous post I already mentioned that ‘Tunguska' happened on a designed moment in our perception of time, intelligently marking Hirhoshima-Nagasaki and Deep Impact.
Tunguska is a warning
And it is ‘Tunguska’ again that finds expression on this anticipated timeframe around March 28:
Published on March 27, Golden Mean linked to Flight 522 & 1549 crashes:
And again it is about the real origin of the ‘Tunguska event’:
Was the Tunguska Fireball a Comet Chemical Bomb?
March 27th, 2009
Over a century ago, on June 30th, 1908 a huge explosion detonated over an unpopulated region of Russia called Tunguska. It is probably one of the most enduring mysteries of this planet. What could cause such a huge explosion in the atmosphere, with the energy of a thousand Hiroshima atomic bombs, flattening a forest the area of Luxembourg and yet leaving no crater? It is little wonder that the Tunguska event has become great material for science fiction writers; how could such a huge blast, that shook the Earth's magnetic field and lit up the Northern Hemisphere skies for three days leave no crater and just a bunch of flattened, scorched trees?

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/27/was-the-tunguska-fireball-a-comet-chemical-bomb/
The destiny of mankind is in our hands, we will keep on running towards nuclear devastation or we will crash land safe, the probability of the latter goes hand in hand to what extend we will be able to listen to ‘Tunguska’s warning’.
“Don’t mess with nuclear power ( Hirhoshima/Nagasaki) and stay out of space ( Deep impact on Tempe I )” ( end of quote )

So Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan.
This 'Hirshosima crash' ( reread previous posts about the identification ) happened on August 6 2005, THE moment with at Phi point in between Tunguska the moment the military order to use nuclear weapons was given
So both Tunguska and the Hirhoshima crash on August 6, 2005 happened on an intelligently Designed moment in our perception of time, marking Deep Impact and the political decision and mission orders to use nuclear arms on Hirhoshima-Nagasaki.
And now the signifigance of flight 522 ‘running on autopilot towards nuclear event’ crash in Marathon, Greece, becomes clear in full force:
Tunguska and flight 522 crash are marking at Phi point:
August 6, 1945 – detonation of an atomic bomb on Hirhoshima !!!!!!
Now lets see what has happened during this Easter weekend because I expected a related event. Flight 522 was flying on autopilot with the pilots and passengers frozen to death.
Besides this emerging nuclear conflict with Korea with it space launch I noticed this on the same CNN main page when I was monitoring this timeframe ( for more related events see timeline Q2 2009 ):
From the timeline:
updated april 14-15
Report: North Korea to quit nuclear talks
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/14/nkorea.talks/index.html
Passenger helps land plane after pilot dies
Controllers help him turn off autopilot, land plane: "The turn looks good, very good sir"
"an Easter miracle"
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/04/13/florida.plane.emergency/index.html
So the warnings given by Tunguska and the August 6 and 14 2005 crashes should be understood, but the Design is also indicating that we can land this plane safe so to speak. Just like this praying pilot on August 6, 2005 or Yamaguchi becoming a double Hibakusha, the Hudson crash landing or these people experiencing this Easter miracle.
Much will depend on how we will deal with the related karmic issues that are coming up. Keep Obama alive!

Get better help.

[Blue Mountain]

had to think of the Roswell crash and decided to give it a look again.
It happened on a July 7 in 1947.
Actually, it didn't. The farmer first noticed debris in his field on or about June 14, 1947.

As described in the above post, July 7 is Earth's orbittal position that marked the hidden underlying timecoded pattern as outlined above.I decided to check it as a Phi point with the Tunguska event, in addition to my previous post here.
Why should do that? Also, can you produce the computations that link a meteroite event in June 1908 to a bombing in London in 2005?

Also, given that the crash most certainly did not occur on July 7, 1947, doesn't that make the rest of the post meaningless?

The determined date appeared to be an August 17, 2010
Calculations, please.

Earth's orbittal position of the Deep Impact 'answer', with this Hyper Dimensionally initiated charge up of the New Orleans area 12 days prior to the landfall of Katrina.
This is a perfect example of what we find incomprehensible about your thesis.
In the space of a few sentences you've linked together the following for no apparent reason:

A meteorite impact in Asia in June 1908
The crash of an experimental military balloon in the United States in June 1947
A series of terrorist bombings in Europe in July 2005
A hurricane in the United States (albeit a very significant one) in August 2005
The successful completion of a deep space mission in July 2007
Something somewhere in the world in August 2010

Even to me, as a person who has invested some effort into reading the language of HDD, none of the above makes any sense.

[Blue Mountain]

Yes you get your answer and I still have to thank you for insisting, because your second request on this issue made me aware of the fact that I was missing something else although I didn't knew exactly what.

I came aware of it during this Easter weekend, that the flight 522 crash has been there in the HDDesign material all the time but I didn't recognize the Tunguska - Hirhoshima correlation.
You mean that jumble of disconnected thoughts you posted in #1645, which I've just commented on?

When you insisted with this irrelevant request I knew I was missing something, I know that from former occasions.

Your request itself is irrelevant, because I was talking about a sequence of 'Obama security issues' and I had to walk through this thread before in order to list them for those who don't read.
(bolding mine) Sorry, but my request is relevant. I've pointed out that you previously listed six Obama security issues, but now say there are only five. Which one is no longer on the list, and why?

I didn't do that again this time as you might understand, a sequence is a sequence and if I would have gone through this thread or the timelines could have listed them again and even count them for you. You know its irrelevant but you insisted
Dutch, unless you are now able to read minds, you cannot state that I know it's irrelevant. And I've just stated that it is relevant.

[Blue Mountain]

(several hundred lines removed)


Get better help.
Daffyd, please do not quote huge posts in their entirety only to add a single line to the end. Thanks.

[Dutch]

Actually, it didn't. The farmer first noticed debris in his field on or about June 14, 1947.


from wiki:


On June 14, 1947 William "Mac" Brazel noticed some strange clusters of debris while working on the Foster homestead, where he was foreman, some 30 miles north of Roswell. This exact date (or "about three weeks" before July 8) is a point of contention


fact is that we would have never heard of this without:

"Early on Tuesday, July 8, the Roswell Army Air Field issued a press release which was immediately picked up by numerous news outlets:[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident#cite_note-raff1-14)
“"The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday ( July 7 / Dutch) when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/509th_Operations_Group) of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaves_County,_New_Mexico). The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office. Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters."


If this wasn't published, we never would have heard from it. This is a perfect example 'reaching the macrolevel'. The moment of communication is just as important as the actual event as I said in a previous post

[Dutch]

Why should do that? Also, can you produce the computations that link a meteroite event in June 1908 to a bombing in London in 2005?

Because Deep Impact on July 4, 2005 and the flight 522 crash on August 14, 2005 were already linked to Tunguskain the 'communication' that has been outlined in previous posts. I expected an important event on July 7, 2005 as you can review. The next synchronicity that shows up is this very same orbittal position again ( July 7, 1947 Roswell)

Also, given that the crash most certainly did not occur on July 7, 1947, doesn't that make the rest of the post meaningless?

already explainded, the main event is centered around July 7, 1947 in the communication that is taking place

[Dutch]

Calculations, please.


Earlier this morning I've posted a correction:

So you can mark this date August 17, 2010 in your agenda for next year, I will make sure you won't miss it.
I had this feeling something wasn't exactly right about this and indeed it must be around August 23, 2010
The synchronicity still stands though, instead of Earth's orbital position on August 17, the day of the Hyper Dimensional 'imprint' on New Orleans 12 days prior to the landfall on New Orleans, it should be Earth's orbittal position on August 23, Earth's position when Katrina formed into a tropical depression
I wrote back in 2005:
Katrina formed into a tropical depression (TD #12) from a broad area of low pressure in the central Bahamas on the afternoon of 23 August 2005
NASA (http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/h2005_katrina.html)
December 26, 2004 - August 23, 2005
240 days
or
2 times 120
120 is the 'longitude' of the Hyperdimensional Tetrahedron,
base of the 9/11 design
or in other words:
Sumatra Quake/Tsunami an Katrina are both HD Tetrahedron based related in the design

June 30, 1908 - July 7, 1947 = 14.251 days

14.251 * 1.61803399 = 23.058 days

14.251 + 23.058 = 37.309 days

June 30, 1908 - August 23, 2010 = 37.309 days

So instead of Earths orbittal position during the HD imprint on August 17, it must be the actual formation of Katrina during Earth's orbittal position on August 23.

Both equally relevant in the communication that is taking place

[Dutch]

This is a perfect example of what we find incomprehensible about your thesis.
In the space of a few sentences you've linked together the following for no apparent reason:

A meteorite impact in Asia in June 1908
The crash of an experimental military balloon in the United States in June 1947
A series of terrorist bombings in Europe in July 2005
A hurricane in the United States (albeit a very significant one) in August 2005
The successful completion of a deep space mission in July 2007
Something somewhere in the world in August 2010


Well, its not easy to comprehend, I totally agree on that. But it is what pops up.

I for one, will monitor the timeframes in august 2010 in order to increase my understanding of the communication that is taking place

[Dutch]

(bolding mine) Sorry, but my request is relevant. I've pointed out that you previously listed six Obama security issues, but now say there are only five. Which one is no longer on the list, and why?


I told you, I am not going to review the thread and count them for you.

Do you think I have all my tens of thousands of posts about this material available in my head for an instant repost?
I talk about the security issues as listed before and followed with the next one afterwards. You are probably right there are 6 of them, I can't recall exactly and it is indeed irrelevant. What I was saying that there's a sequence going on giving expression of this sucurity issues since Obama was put on a very early protection of the secret services.

If you are forcing me to name them from my memory I can give it a try but it is irrelevant, I'm not going to spen my time in reviewing before posting. This material is posted 'live' , in between normal daily work and without endlesly looking for correlations

[Paul]

If this wasn't published, we never would have heard from it. This is a perfect example 'reaching the macrolevel'. The moment of communication is just as important as the actual event as I said in a previous postIf it wasn't reported to various people or investigated we wouldn't have heard of it either, you're cherry picking again.

Also, reporting something which turns out to be entirely explainable and terrestrial is not really much of an important event is it? Or are you claiming something alien really crashed in Roswell?

[Paul]

So instead of Earths orbittal position during the HD imprint on August 17, it must be the actual formation of Katrina during Earth's orbittal position on August 23.

Both equally relevant in the communication that is taking placeStop saying orbital position when you mean date; it doesn't make you look clever, quite the opposite in fact.

A couple or corrections too: a tropical depression formed on august 23rd, a tropical storm on the 24th, and a hurricane on the 25th.

[Dutch]

If it wasn't reported to various people or investigated we wouldn't have heard of it either, you're cherry picking again.

Com'on Paul, the Roswell crash is THE event when it comes to supposed extraterrestrial pressence on Earth and we DO know about it, be it true or false.



Also, reporting something which turns out to be entirely explainable and terrestrial is not really much of an important event is it? Or are you claiming something alien really crashed in Roswell?

That's not the real issue here. Even if the crash is fake, the 'communication' still stands for what it implies.

[Paulhoff]

Com'on Paul, the Roswell crash is THE event when it comes to supposed extraterrestrial pressence on Earth and we DO know about it, be it true or false.

That's not the real issue here. Even if the crash is fake, the 'communication' still stands for what it implies.
It is false. Since it is false it implies NOTHING.

You just like to make something out of nothing, that is what you imply.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

Stop saying orbital position when you mean date; it doesn't make you look clever, quite the opposite in fact.



I would appreciate it if you would show a little bit more respect towards me. Its not up to you which words I choose to express myself.

I use orbital positions because you might have noticed that HDDesign isn't about planet Earth only. Earth dates are of little use on Venus don't you think?

[Dutch]

A couple or corrections too: a tropical depression formed on august 23rd, a tropical storm on the 24th, and a hurricane on the 25th.


Yes, the creation of Katrina

[Dutch]

It is false. Since it is false it implies NOTHING.

You just like to make something out of nothing, that is what you imply.

Paul

:) :) :)

Me?

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=Roswell+&meta=

[AWPrime]

I would appreciate it if you would show a little bit more respect towards me. Its not up to you which words I choose to express myself.Writing English is common courtesy here, so get off your high horse and stop babbling. It can be cute for toddlers to make up words or misuse words, but for an adult it's repulsive.


I use orbital positions because you might have noticed that HDDesign isn't about planet Earth only. Earth dates are of little use on Venus don't you think?We haven't seen you use orbital positions at all, you just use dates. If you actually used orbital positions then you should have the related calculations. But you don't have them and will never produce them.

[Dutch]

Writing English is common courtesy here, so get off your high horse and stop babbling. It can be cute for toddlers to make up words or misuse words, but for an adult it's repulsive.


I suppose you have missed the death wish against me that has been expressed in this thread, so this polite request must be seen in perspective. Make sure you know what you are talking about before questioning my level of adultry.

[Paulhoff]

Me?

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=Roswell+&meta=
You believe in that Woo-Woo, I quess you would.

That is BS Dutch, it makes people MONEY.

Aliens travel many light years, trillions and trillions of miles, only to crash in the last few feet, give me a break.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

In HDDesign there's no difference between a date and an orbittal position.

On Earth that is.

For the other planet I used "same orbital position in Earth days", so in fact I talk about orbital positions, corresponding on Earth with our system of dates. must be clear I suppose.

[Dutch]

You believe in that Woo-Woo, I quess you would.

That is BS Dutch, it makes people MONEY.

Aliens travel many light years, trillions and trillions of miles, only to crash in the last few feet, give me a break.

If you don't understand by now that its not important if there really was an UFO crash or not, but that ´Roswell´ stands for us humans being not alone in our universe, than I guess you will never get it. Its ´communication´ Paul.

[Paulhoff]

You give no bearings, no point of reference, nothing that tells us where the other planets are in their orbits along with where the earth is. And seeing that the sun and the Milky-Way are moving, nothing comes back to the same positions in space in the first place.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paulhoff]

If you don't understand by now that its not important if there really was an UFO crash or not, but that ´Roswell´ stands for us humans being not alone in our universe, than I guess you will never get it. Its ´communication´ Paul.
NO IT DOES NOT. There was no UFO, Roswell stands only for money.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

You give no bearings, no point of reference, nothing that tells us where the other planets are in their orbits along with where the earth is. And seeing that the sun and the Milky-Way are moving, nothing comes back to the same positions in space in the first place.

Paul

:) :) :)

I told you, you have to look at it from a Hyper Dimensionally point of view.

The only refrence point that counts is the real orbital position translated to Earth days, regardles how this actual position of a planet looks like. This is NOT astrology. an orbit is an orbit, period.

[Dutch]

NO IT DOES NOT. There was no UFO, Roswell stands only for money.

Paul

:) :) :)

Let's say we have a different level of understanding about this

[Paulhoff]

Let's say we have a different level of understanding about this
Yes, and I'm getting tired of looking down so far.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

Com'on Paul, the Roswell crash is THE event when it comes to supposed extraterrestrial pressence on Earth and we DO know about it, be it true or false.If the "crash" was important you would use that date, you are saying that one particular report about it is the most important thing.


That's not the real issue here. Even if the crash is fake, the 'communication' still stands for what it implies.Which is what?

The communication you reference is not implying anything, it's reporting the apparent facts of the incident before the nature of the debris was identified.

[Paul]

I suppose you have missed the death wish against me that has been expressed in this thread, so this polite request must be seen in perspective.Are you seriously that paranoid?


Make sure you know what you are talking about before questioning my level of adultry.Your level of "adultry" is often readily apparent.

[Paul]

I would appreciate it if you would show a little bit more respect towards me. Its not up to you which words I choose to express myself.That is dependent on you not deliberately misusing language to obscure your meaning.


On Earth that is.

For the other planet I used "same orbital position in Earth days", so in fact I talk about orbital positions, corresponding on Earth with our system of dates. must be clear I suppose.Yes, being clear would be nice, let us know when you intend to start.

[Paul]

Let's say we have a different level of understanding about thisWe understand and you apparently have no idea.

[Paul]

I told you, you have to look at it from a Hyper Dimensionally point of view.And yet you consistently fail to provide any evidence or maths for any aspect of hyper dimensionality.


The only refrence point that counts is the real orbital position translated to Earth days,Back to actual position counting again?


regardles how this actual position of a planet looks like.Ah, apparently cognitive dissonance rides again.


This is NOT astrology. an orbit is an orbit, period.Oh dear.

[The Man]

I told you, you have to look at it from a Hyper Dimensionally point of view.

The only refrence point that counts is the real orbital position translated to Earth days, regardles how this actual position of a planet looks like. This is NOT astrology. an orbit is an orbit, period.



Actually as far as periods and orbits go there are several.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_period


There are several kinds of orbital periods for objects around the Sun:

The sidereal period is the time that it takes the object to make one full orbit around the sun, relative to the stars. This is considered to be an object's true orbital period.

The synodic period is the time that it takes for the object to reappear at the same point in the sky, relative to the Sun, as observed from Earth; i.e. returns to the same elongation (and planetary phase). This is the time that elapses between two successive conjunctions with the Sun and is the object's Earth-apparent orbital period. The synodic period differs from the sidereal period since Earth itself revolves around the Sun.

The draconitic period is the time that elapses between two passages of the object at its ascending node, the point of its orbit where it crosses the ecliptic from the southern to the northern hemisphere. It differs from the sidereal period because the object's line of nodes typically precesses or recesses slowly.

The anomalistic period is the time that elapses between two passages of the object at its perihelion, the point of its closest approach to the Sun. It differs from the sidereal period because the object's semimajor axis typically precesses or recesses slowly.

The tropical period, finally, is the time that elapses between two passages of the object at right ascension zero. It is slightly shorter than the sidereal period because the vernal point precesses.

That you have chosen one, apparently the sidereal period, in fact relates your orbital positions and thus timeframes to the stars. You are not as far from astrology as you might like to think.

[AWPrime]

I suppose you have missed the death wish against me that has been expressed in this thread, so this polite request must be seen in perspective.So what? Even if someone wishes you to fall dead, it doesn't excuse your babbling.

If you have to ignore the actual meaning of the words that you are using to make your argument then you have no understanding of your own 'theory' and/or no understanding of English.
Either way, in all cases I am left to wonder what the heck you are doing on a discussion forum? If you are here simply to stroke your own ego, then the best you can expect is pity.


Make sure you know what you are talking about before questioning my level of adultry.As said by Paul your level is 'readily apparent'.

[The Man]

I suppose you have missed the death wish against me that has been expressed in this thread, so this polite request must be seen in perspective. Make sure you know what you are talking about before questioning my level of adultry.


How much 'adultery' you engage in is hardly the issue.

[Blue Mountain]

Because Deep Impact on July 4, 2005 and the flight 522 crash on August 14, 2005 were already linked to Tunguskain the 'communication' that has been outlined in previous posts. I expected an important event on July 7, 2005 as you can review. The next synchronicity that shows up is this very same orbittal position again ( July 7, 1947 Roswell)
I did a quick review of this thread and noticed the first and only place you linked Tunguska and flight 522 was just a little while ago in post #1635, in amongst a whole pile of words:
So Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan.
This 'Hirshosima crash' ( reread previous posts about the identification ) happened on August 6 2005, THE moment with at Phi point in between Tunguska the moment the military order to use nuclear weapons was given
So both Tunguska and the Hirhoshima crash on August 6, 2005 happened on an intelligently Designed moment in our perception of time, marking Deep Impact and the political decision and mission orders to use nuclear arms on Hirhoshima-Nagasaki.
And now the signifigance of flight 522 ‘running on autopilot towards nuclear event’ crash in Marathon, Greece, becomes clear in full force:
Tunguska and flight 522 crash are marking at Phi point:
August 6, 1945 – detonation of an atomic bomb on Hirhoshima !!!!!!
Now lets see what has happened during this Easter weekend because I expected a related event. Flight 522 was flying on autopilot with the pilots and passengers frozen to death.
I completely fail to see how you are linking (via HDD arithmetic) The Tunguska--Deep Impact timeline and the Flight 522 timeline. Indeed, in the portion I just quoted, you merely state they are related without showing how you arrived at the conclusion that they are.

In addition, and this has been pointed out to you in the past, the victims of flight 522 did not freeze to death. The aircraft exploded on impact, and the passengers were either killed in the impact or in the fire that followed.

[Blue Mountain]

I told you, I am not going to review the thread and count them for you.

Do you think I have all my tens of thousands of posts about this material available in my head for an instant repost?
Herein is my major complaint about your entire approach:

You are not approaching your investigation in systematic fashion. You research is sloppy and you do not attempt to keep careful track of timelines, inferences, predictions, and results.

I talk about the security issues as listed before and followed with the next one afterwards. You are probably right there are 6 of them, I can't recall exactly and it is indeed irrelevant. What I was saying that there's a sequence going on giving expression of this sucurity issues since Obama was put on a very early protection of the secret services.

That was the reason I pointed out the discrepancy in the number of Obama security issues. I was pretty certain you had not carefully documented the Obama security timeline, in the same way you do not document anything about HDD in a filing system or anything else that lets you review your data. Thus when I pointed out the discrepancy, you had no way to look back in your records on the timeline ... because you are not keeping any!

If you are forcing me to name them from my memory I can give it a try but it is irrelevant, I'm not going to spen my time in reviewing before posting.
(Bolding mine) The term for that (on this board at least) is EPIC FAIL.

Doing good research means taking a scientific approach. That means (in part) careful data collection, good record keeping, and reviews of data to ensure everything is still on track. And even with that, the material is then submitted for peer review to ensure the data collection, record keeping, reviews and analysis were all done rigorously.

Your failure to investigate HDD systematically is partly what is preventing you from seeing that which is readily apparent to everyone else reading this thread: HDD has no grounding in reality, does not explain anything, does not predict anything, and overall is a colossal waste of your time.

If you don't understand why taking a scientific approach is useful, you should turn off your computer, then cancel your internet service along with your electricity, gas, and telephone service. (And sell your automobile and ride a horse instead.) Because it was science that brought you those things, not endless pouring over mountains of stuff looking for "OMG!!" moments. That approach leads you into blind alleys like astrology.

This material is posted 'live' , in between normal daily work and without endlesly looking for correlations
Wrong; all you're doing is endlesly looking for correlations.

[Blue Mountain]

I suppose you have missed the death wish against me that has been expressed in this thread <snip>
That's a pretty serious accusation to make against a fellow board member. Which post was it in? And did you report it to the mods?

[Dutch]

Blue..........


I completely fail to see how you are linking (via HDD arithmetic) The Tunguska--Deep Impact timeline and the Flight 522 timeline. Indeed, in the portion I just quoted, you merely state they are related without showing how you arrived at the conclusion that they are.



How is that possible?

It is posted several times here. Deep Impact and Tunguska have the decision to use nuclear weapons at Phi point. Flight 522 crash and Tunguska the actual timefram of the irhoshima-Nagasaki detonations

[Dutch]

You are not approaching your investigation in systematic fashion. You research is sloppy and you do not attempt to keep careful track of timelines, inferences, predictions, and results.

No I'm not, because I do my 'research' based on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities.

[Dutch]

That was the reason I pointed out the discrepancy in the number of Obama security issues. I was pretty certain you had not carefully documented the Obama security timeline, in the same way you do not document anything about HDD in a filing system or anything else that lets you review your data. Thus when I pointed out the discrepancy, you had no way to look back in your records on the timeline ... because you are not keeping any!


What do you expect? I use the timeslines so it can be reviewed.

If the 'Obama security issue' would be the only thing that matters in my life it would probably a good to set up a filing system. Its just not possible for me to do so, there's so much in this HDDesign material

[Dutch]

Doing good research means taking a scientific approach. That means (in part) careful data collection, good record keeping, and reviews of data to ensure everything is still on track. And even with that, the material is then submitted for peer review to ensure the data collection, record keeping, reviews and analysis were all done rigorously.


HDDesign is not about scientific research, how many times do I have to say that

Your failure to investigate HDD systematically is partly what is preventing you from seeing that which is readily apparent to everyone else reading this thread: HDD has no grounding in reality, does not explain anything, does not predict anything, and overall is a colossal waste of your time.

These 'coincidences' and synchronicities popping up in this 'research' show the contrarairy, you just don't want to see that

We will see what is to be considered a waste of time

[Dutch]

If you don't understand why taking a scientific approach is useful, you should turn off your computer, then cancel your internet service along with your electricity, gas, and telephone service. (And sell your automobile and ride a horse instead.) Because it was science that brought you those things, not endless pouring over mountains of stuff looking for "OMG!!" moments. That approach leads you into blind alleys like astrology.



Since when is our scientific knowledge providing answers to the meaning or intelligent correlations in our reality?

[Dutch]

That's a pretty serious accusation to make against a fellow board member. Which post was it in? And did you report it to the mods?

post 641, Paulhof thinks you all should hound me to death:



BECAUSE YOU SHOW NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING THAT MAKES THESE SO-CALLED PREDICTIONS THAT ANYONE ELSE CAN DUPIATE. AND I THINK ALL HERE SHOULD HOUND YOU TO DEATH WHEN THAT DATE COMES AND GOES AND NOTHING NEW HAPPENS TO HIM AND THAT IT IS JUST ANOTHER DAY OF COMA FOR HIM.


Paul



I did not report it no

says enough about his level

although he has a slightly different viewpoint:

Paulhoff:


Yes, and I'm getting tired of looking down so far.


selfexplanatory

[AWPrime]

No I'm not, because I do my 'research' based on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities.In the normal world we call this delusions.

[Paul]

What do you expect? I use the timeslines so it can be reviewed.Except when asked to review it you say there's too much information that you haven't bothered to organise in any meaningful way.

If the 'Obama security issue' would be the only thing that matters in my life it would probably a good to set up a filing system. Its just not possible for me to do so, there's so much in this HDDesign materialThat's a very poor excuse; you have a computer and an internet connection, you therefore have access to free software that will allow you to do almost anything with your data.

Too much data, not important enough or not enough time all illustrate the generally haphazard and incoherent approach you take.

[Paulhoff]

No I'm not, because I do my 'research' based on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities.
Sounds like religion, sounds like wishful thinking, and sounds like why millions died in death camps.

Paul

:( :( :(

Dutch, this thread does not in any way belong in "Science, Medicine and Technology" and it is a Travesty that it is.

[dafydd]

Daffyd, please do not quote huge posts in their entirety only to add a single line to the end. Thanks.

Not even to prove a point?

[Blue Mountain]

Blue..........

How is that possible?

It is posted several times here. Deep Impact and Tunguska have the decision to use nuclear weapons at Phi point. Flight 522 crash and Tunguska the actual timefram of the irhoshima-Nagasaki detonations

I took a close look at post #1635. Here are my observations:

The presentation is horrible. Formatted at 80 characters/line, it's over 500 lines of text. But paragraphs are not correctly delineated, nor are the sections that originate as quotes from other posts properly separated from sections that are original to the post itself. These make for very difficult reading and parsing of your argument. Your poor presentation is the major reason most people here just skim over these walls of text.
The post contains several factual errors, such as the date on which it was decided to use the nuclear bomb against Japan, and your comment that people on flight 522 froze to death
A critical point in your argument is that "Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan." But that is factually incorrect, because the decision was taken prior to August 2, 1945. The issuing of the military orders is pro forma; that is, it is is a minor and expected part of the sequence of events between the important dates: the decision to use the bomb and the actual use of it.


Very late into post #1635 you say,
So both Tunguska and the Hirhoshima crash on August 6, 2005 happened on an intelligently Designed moment in our perception of time, marking Deep Impact and the political decision and mission orders to use nuclear arms on Hirhoshima-Nagasaki.

And now the signifigance of flight 522 ‘running on autopilot towards nuclear event’ crash in Marathon, Greece, becomes clear in full force:

Tunguska and flight 522 crash are marking at Phi point: August 6, 1945 – detonation of an atomic bomb on Hirhoshima !!!!!!

Now lets see what has happened during this Easter weekend because I expected a
related event. Flight 522 was flying on autopilot with the pilots and passengers frozen to death.

Besides this emerging nuclear conflict with Korea with it space launch I noticed this on the same CNN main page when I was monitoring this timeframe ...
All right: flight 522 represents "running on autopilot toward nuclear winter" (or devastation, or event -- you've used all three). The Tunguska/Deep Impact timeline has a nuclear event on it, albeit tenuously. The link is nuclear armaments and the fact that North Korea is wanting to build one, too.

Here's my beef. You did not in any way answer my question about why you linked Flight 522 to the Tunguska/Hiroshima/Deep Impact timeline (the answer which I just gave above.) Instead you merely whined that we couldn't see something that you said was obvious.

I submit to you that we couldn't see it because you had buried the important linkages in a morass of verbiage. If people are asking you questions about things you've said, one reason because you're not being clear, as post #1635 shows all too well.

[Dutch]

In the normal world we call this delusions.

in your limited and rigid perspective of reality your right

[Dutch]

Except when asked to review it you say there's too much information that you haven't bothered to organise in any meaningful way.

That's a very poor excuse; you have a computer and an internet connection, you therefore have access to free software that will allow you to do almost anything with your data.

Too much data, not important enough or not enough time all illustrate the generally haphazard and incoherent approach you take.

We talk about understanding of what is goining on, identifying patterns, anticipations and expectations on future keydates, ongoing developping of these theories, monitoring reality, posting it realtime, crossposting it for communications and that all is taking place in between my normal daily activities. I ám looking ahead, try to understand history and have to keep an eye on reality. There's a limit to what 1 man can cope with. I could write a book on several specific issues only of this HDDesign, if I would have the time. Its not an excuse, this 'research'needs to proceed on a daily basis, that's the first priority

[Dutch]

Paulhoff,

your comments really are selfexplanatory

[Dutch]

The presentation is horrible. Formatted at 80 characters/line, it's over 500 lines of text. But paragraphs are not correctly delineated, nor are the sections that originate as quotes from other posts properly separated from sections that are original to the post itself. These make for very difficult reading and parsing of your argument. Your poor presentation is the major reason most people here just skim over these walls of text.
That's the consequence of posting 'realtime' , its inherent to this HDDesign 'research'

The post contains several factual errors, such as the date on which it was decided to use the nuclear bomb against Japan
says who? Its not an error

, and your comment that people on flight 522 froze to death


it makes no sense to argue about this, flight 522 crash is a fact. The F-16 pilots didn't see any signs of life in the cockpit after a while, the plane flew for hours on autopilot before it crashed, that's the real issue here. The pilots were death in the plane

A critical point in your argument is that "Tunguska happened at THE moment in order to mark the Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact. This phipoint marks the moment that it was decided to uses nuclear arms on Japan." But that is factually incorrect, because the decision was taken prior to August 2, 1945.
again you are showing that you can't read, I have said here repeatedly that the decission was taken on July 20, 1945. That's the Phi point as posted repestedly.

The mission orders on August 2, 1945 were at Phi pont between Tunguska and the August 6, 2005 'Hirhoshima crash' as posted several times in this thread

What's the problem with you?



The issuing of the military orders is pro forma; that is, it is is a minor and expected part of the sequence of events between the important dates: the decision to use the bomb and the actual use of it.

pro forma?

HDDesign descrides the decission, the mission order and the detonation of Hirhoshima-Nagasaki as outlines in previous posts

[Paul]

in your limited and rigid perspective of reality your rightNo, reality is, as it's name suggests, the state or quality of being real and something that constitutes a real or actual thing, as distinguished from something that is merely apparent.

By your own standards, using special pleading, what you do has nothing to do with reality.

[AWPrime]

in your limited and rigid perspective of reality your rightYou know what is great about good science? It produces useful systematic methods that filter out delusions. Such as apophenia, confirmation bias, etc.

There is no system in HDD, only what you feel is considered. In the end its an useless delusion. Also I think you don't want to cured, as HDD strokes your ego.


That's the consequence of posting 'realtime' , its inherent to this HDDesign 'research' Like speaking in tongues?

[Paul]

We talk about understanding of what is goining on, identifying patterns, anticipations and expectations on future keydates, ongoing developping of these theories, monitoring reality, posting it realtime, crossposting it for communicationsAnd then failing to keep any useful records of this supposedly important data, a generous person might see that as merely incompetent.


I ám looking ahead, try to understand history and have to keep an eye on reality.How can you do all that without reliable data to correlate?


There's a limit to what 1 man can cope with.Then do proper work on a more limited scale.


Its not an excuse, this 'research'needs to proceed on a daily basis, that's the first priorityIt is an excuse; you try to excuse your abysmal lack of data with I'm too busy and then proceed to spread the net wider and wider.

[Paul]

Paulhoff,

your comments really are selfexplanatoryNo you do :p



Honestly, I thought you were supposed to be an adult.

[Paul]

That's the consequence of posting 'realtime' , its inherent to this HDDesign 'research' says who? Its not an errorIf it's deliberate, that is even worse; posting incomprehensible word-salad where editorial is indistinguishable from uncredited quotation is simply bad communication.


it makes no sense to argue about this, flight 522 crash is a fact.I agree that Helios Airways Flight 522 crashed approximately 25 miles from Athens on 14th August 2005.


The F-16 pilots didn't see any signs of life in the cockpit after a while, the plane flew for hours on autopilot before it crashed,Let's try some facts shall we:522 was located by Greek F-16s at 1120 local
at 1125 the fighters saw the apparently unconscious co-pilot and the deployed cabin oxygen
at 1141 an individual, later identified as flight attendant and trainee pilot Andreas Prodromou, entered the cabin and attempted to regain control
at 1150 and 1200 the left and right engines stopped working
and at 1205 the aircraft crashed

that's the real issue hereSince when is 21 minutes at least two hours?


The pilots were death in the plane again you are showing that you can't read,I've explained this before but apparently you can't read; everyone on the 'plane was alive when it crashed, what part of that are you having trouble with?


I have said here repeatedly that the decission was taken on July 20, 1945. That's the Phi point as posted repestedly.What evidence do you have for this assertion?


What's the problem with you? pro forma? If you don't understand something, look it up, don't whine like a petulant child. Or you could read the whole sentence which contains an explanation.

[Blue Mountain]

That's the consequence of posting 'realtime' , its inherent to this HDDesign 'research'
Then you are not doing research; it's more like you are playing a game. (And I'd like to point out in important games, such as chess championships, records are kept.)

says who? Its not an error
It has been pointed out to you that Truman was not aware of the results of the bomb test until July 21. A bit of research on my part has failed to turn up the exact date on which Truman decided that he would use the bomb against Japan. You state that date is July 20. What source do you have to back up that assertion?

it makes no sense to argue about this, flight 522 crash is a fact. The F-16 pilots didn't see any signs of life in the cockpit after a while, the plane flew for hours on autopilot before it crashed, that's the real issue here. The pilots were death in the plane
I'm not sure if you mean "the pilots were dead already" or if you mean "the pilots were as good as dead because there was no way they could have survived." If the former, that is probably not true; they were likely unconscious due to a lack of oxygen. If the latter, yes, things probably would not have ended differently once the engines failed.

again you are showing that you can't read, I have said here repeatedly that the decission was taken on July 20, 1945. That's the Phi point as posted repestedly.

The mission orders on August 2, 1945 were at Phi pont between Tunguska and the August 6, 2005 'Hirhoshima crash' as posted several times in this thread

What's the problem with you?
Several things:

I'm not doing this as a full-time job. Your walls-of-text posts would take several hours, if not days, to track down all the facts you have presented, correlate them with timelines that you have failed to document adequately, and list one-by-one the logical fallacies that you have committed in coming to the conclusions you do. So I do it piecemeal and without the attention to detail a good analysis would deserve, because I simply don't want to invest too much time in a useless endeavour.
Your lack of coherent documentation means it's really difficult to keep track of everything. Making a slip-up like I did (a two week difference in a phi date on one timeline) is to be expected because not even you have that documented adequately. And for sure I'm not going to do that work for you.
I'm getting to an age where it's more difficult for me to keep track of a bunch of material at once. If I really have to, I'll set up a file and try to put all relevant information in there. Even then I can make mistakes, so I accept the assistance of others in keeping me on track.


HDDesign descrides the decission, the mission order and the detonation of Hirhoshima-Nagasaki as outlines in previous posts
Our contention is HDD doesn't decide anything at all. No more than do all the ant colonies on the planet, a supernova in galaxy NGC 1566, or the machinations of the gods in Valhalla.

HDD isn't going anywhere. In this forum we're really hoping you'll come to that conclusion yourself, and save you the waste of many good years of your life chasing a chimera.

[Blue Mountain]

Since when is our scientific knowledge providing answers to the meaning or intelligent correlations in our reality?
:jaw-dropp Science is all about understanding our reality! Intelligent correlations are made every day by scientists working on physics, astronomy, biology, evolution, chemistry, and a whole host of theoretical and applied fields.

However, one of the conclusions that science has come to is that there is no intelligence behind our universe. Random events are just that: random. Read up on chaos theory.

[Blue Mountain]

We talk about understanding of what is goining on, identifying patterns, anticipations and expectations on future keydates, ongoing developping of these theories, monitoring reality, posting it realtime, crossposting it for communications and that all is taking place in between my normal daily activities. I am looking ahead, try to understand history and have to keep an eye on reality. There's a limit to what 1 man can cope with. I could write a book on several specific issues only of this HDDesign, if I would have the time. Its not an excuse, this 'research' needs to proceed on a daily basis, that's the first priority
Charles Darwin wrote and published 26 books between 1835 and 1881, all the while fathering ten children (eight survived infancy, and sadly a daughter died at 10) and holding down a job.

I guess it depends on what your priorities are. If you want to demonstrate that HDD is a viable system, you're doing it all wrong. Your work would never be accepted for publication in printed format given the mess it's in right now.

If you want to start a religion or philosophical society, you should try to boil down HDD to a core set of principles that people can understand and follow. The mass of material you have now, coupled with its poor presentation, must surely drive away all but the most determined would-be acolyte.

[Dutch]

reality is, as it's name suggests, the state or quality of being real and something that constitutes a real or actual thing, as distinguished from something that is merely apparent.



Still based on limited and rigid 3D ( or 4 if you like) perspective.

[Paul]

Still based on limited and rigid 3D ( or 4 if you like) perspective.What type of higher dimensional spaces are you using?

[Dutch]

Random events are just that: random.


That's what they look like, doesn't mean that it is true

[Dutch]

What type of higher dimensional spaces are you using?

none,

I only look at the indirect indications in our familiar 3(4) D reality.

[Paul]

none,

I only look at the indirect indications in our familiar 3(4) D reality.Have you ever heard the phrase eating your cake and having it too?

Your system is called hyper dimensional design and allegedly uses hyper dimensional platonic solids but now you claim to not use any higher dimensional space.

You try and criticise us for being limited to only 3 spacial dimensions and then claim your work is entirely based on 3 spacial dimensions.


Do you even see why these positions are untenable?

[Paul]

That's what they look like, doesn't mean that it is trueIt also doesn't mean that they aren't random, something you have failed to demonstrate.

[Paulhoff]

You are not doing science Dutch. You have already determined that there are patterns, but you haven’t shown any patterns, you have only shown what you think are patterns. You have already determined what you think establishes those nonexistent patterns by posting anything that fits your dates which again is not doing science.

You are dogmatic; you are not open to new input that shows that you are not right, so once again you’re not doing science. You don’t show why you HDD may not be right, so once again you’re not doing science. When challenge you do not show how you come to you conclusions, you only say we don’t understand, you don’t seem to understand that it is your job, not ours, to make it understandable, so once again you fail at doing science.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

Have you ever heard the phrase eating your cake and having it too?

Your system is called hyper dimensional design and allegedly uses hyper dimensional platonic solids but now you claim to not use any higher dimensional space.

You try and criticise us for being limited to only 3 spacial dimensions and then claim your work is entirely based on 3 spacial dimensions.


Do you even see why these positions are untenable?

Sigh...

I don't use them in a sense that I don't calculate in 4+ dimensions, I only look at the geometrical correlations in our familiar dimensions.

Our reality is part of a multi dimensional reality. This point of view should be clear enough because I've emphasized that numerous times

I don't know what untenable means, so I can't answer it

[Paulhoff]

Sigh...

I don't use them in a sense that I don't calculate in 4+ dimensions, I only look at the geometrical correlations in our familiar dimensions.

Our reality is part of a multi dimensional reality. This point of view should be clear enough because I've emphasized that numerous times

I don't know what untenable means, so I can't answer it
SO............ stop telling us about it.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

It also doesn't mean that they aren't random, something you have failed to demonstrate.

Our reality in 3D is Designed to look random to you. The 'coincidenses' and synchronicities convinced me that these indications of hidden underlying Design can unveil the hidden timecoded patterns and the understanding of the correlations between events and ultimately their meaning.

[Dutch]

You are not doing science Dutch. You have already determined that there are patterns, but you haven’t shown any patterns, you have only shown what you think are patterns. You have already determined what you think establishes those nonexistent patterns by posting anything that fits your dates which again is not doing science.

You are dogmatic; you are not open to new input that shows that you are not right, so once again you’re not doing science. You don’t show why you HDD may not be right, so once again you’re not doing science. When challenge you do not show how you come to you conclusions, you only say we don’t understand, you don’t seem to understand that it is your job, not ours, to make it understandable, so once again you fail at doing science.

Paul

:) :) :)

I agree, I'm not doing scientific research. How many times do I have to say that?

[Dutch]

SO............ stop telling us about it.

Paul

:) :) :)

You are the death hunter right? comparing this stuff to theories that led to concentration camps?

and now I must stop talking?

what comes next in your line of thought?

[Paulhoff]

I agree, I'm not doing scientific research. How many times do I have to say that?
Until you have it moved or someone else does.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paulhoff]

You are the death hunter right? comparing this stuff to theories that led to concentration camps?

and now I must stop talking?

what comes next in your line of thought?
Misusing science has lead to concentration camps.

Paul

:) :) :)

[AWPrime]

I agree, I'm not doing scientific research. How many times do I have to say that?You are not doing any research. It can best be compared with 13 monkeys on LSD banging on typewriters.

[Paul]

Sigh...

I don't use them in a sense that I don't calculate in 4+ dimensions, I only look at the geometrical correlations in our familiar dimensions.You don't talk about geometry in 3 dimensional space, you talk about hyper dimensional geometry. Which part of what you tell us are you having trouble understanding?


Our reality is part of a multi dimensional reality.What type of multi dimensional reality? How many dimensions?


This point of view should be clear enough because I've emphasized that numerous timesAh, I see, it's only a point of view. So every thing you say is based on a personal opinion with no visible means of support.


I don't know what untenable means, so I can't answer itWhen I don't know what a word means, I use a dictionary. You might be able to find one on the internet if you look really hard.

[Paul]

Our reality in 3D is Designed to look random to you.Evidence? Or is that another unsupported opinion?


The 'coincidenses' and synchronicities convinced me that these indications of hidden underlying Design can unveil the hidden timecoded patterns and the understanding of the correlations between events and ultimately their meaning.Meaningless

[Paul]

You are the death hunter right? comparing this stuff to theories that led to concentration camps?

and now I must stop talking?

what comes next in your line of thought?Dutch, you seen to be more paranoid every day.

You also seem to have absolutely no conception of a proportional response.


What is a death hunter? All I can find are fictional uses and an 1811 dictionary reference to an undertaker.

[Paul]

You are not doing any research. It can best be compared with 13 monkeys on LSD banging on typewriters.Ooh, that sounds much more fun.

Messy, but fun.

[Paulhoff]

Dutch, you seen to be more paranoid every day.

You also seem to have absolutely no conception of a proportional response.


What is a death hunter? All I can find are fictional uses and an 1811 dictionary reference to an undertaker.
Babylon 5, that's it.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

isn't B5 soul hunters?

[Paulhoff]

isn't B5 soul hunters?
You're right.........


http://www.deathhunter.com/Death_Hunter/Death_Hunter_-_2008.html

Sorry, I showed proof of another death hunter, we don't show proof on this thread.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

Sorry, I showed proof of another death hunter...Well, the trailer's a little confusing but it seems Dutch thinks you are a bald man who can't act

[Blue Mountain]

Our reality in 3D is Designed to look random to you. The 'coincidenses' and synchronicities convinced me that these indications of hidden underlying Design can unveil the hidden timecoded patterns and the understanding of the correlations between events and ultimately their meaning.

Oh goody!

We can now add special pleading to the list of logical fallacies seen in this thread.

[Dutch]

“In order to understand the significance of the ‘communication’ that is taking place, I have to take you back in time. Once again it became clear to me this Easter weekend that the posted information in the HDDesign material is giving answers to the most profound questions in relation to the times we live in.
We go back to June 2005. At that time I had been working with the triggerdates system for more than a year as some readers might recall, based on the ‘awakenings’, ‘control’ and ‘ascension’ timeframes. Personally I don’t have a single doubt that I was ‘in tune’ with the hidden underlying patterns that would soon show these important events.”
That’s how I started my post on April 17 in this thread and I strongly recommend to scroll back a bit and read that post again, because the information that has been given is very profound and fundamental.
The information that I am going to give right now should be kept in mind as background information for the upcoming days ahead on the timelines. These dates are mentioned at the bottom of this post.
I talked about this 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern that was first identified on June 22, 2005 with the ‘U2 crash’ that made me expect a 9/11 related event on the emerging timecoded pattern. That’s how July 7, 2005 was identified as explained in that previous post.
Its this synchronicity that made me realize that we are still ‘in tune’:
Three cleared of aiding London bombers
A jury Tuesday acquitted three men of charges that they helped the bombers who carried out the July 7, 2005, attacks on the London transportation system.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/28/jury.bombings/index.html
White House apologizes for low-flying plane
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html

NEW YORK (Reuters) - One of President Barack Obama's official planes ( Dutch: a 747) flanked by an Air Force fighter jet flew low over the Statue of Liberty on Monday for a photo opportunity that reminded startled New Yorkers of the September 11 attacks.

So back in 2005 this 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern was marked with the U2 crash and the July 7 London bombings, with full force.
Finding expression again in our current times with Barack’s 747 flying low in New York causing panic coinciding with the three cleared of aiding the July 7, 2005 London bombers.
The underlying timecoded pattern indicates that the U2 crash marker on June 22, 2005 should have found expression again on April 13, 2009 and has already been identified with the previous post I’m referring to:
I wrote:
“Passenger helps land plane after pilot dies
Controllers help him turn off autopilot, land plane: "The turn looks good, very good sir"
"an Easter miracle"
April 13,2009
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/04/13/florida.plane.emergency/index.html
So the warnings given by Tunguska and the August 6 and 14 2005 crashes should be understood, but the Design is also indicating that we can land this plane safe so to speak. Just like this praying pilot on August 6, 2005 or Yamaguchi becoming a double Hibakusha, the Hudson crash landing or these people experiencing this Easter miracle.”
So what we are seeing here are similar marker events, although subtle expressed, as back in 2005, with much symbolical intent and hidden meaning.
On April 20 I posted these 2 pictures on HDDesign forum:
Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron at macrolevel orientation around April 21-22, 2009:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/pearlharbor1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/pearlharbor2.jpg
I posted these pictures after an intuitive thought that came to mind out of nowhere a few days earlier ( April 18th) , I had to think about Pearl Harbor ( ‘let it happen’) and the timeframe between Hirhoshima/Nagasaki and the end of the Mayan Calendar. That timeframe puts ‘Pearl Harbor’ on the Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron timeframe around April 21-22, 2009 so I decided to post these picture although I didn’t had any ideas how it would fit or what it meant.
It appears that I was still ‘in tune’:
April 21, 2009 is comparable to July 1, 2005 on this specific timecoded pattern.
I wrote on June 27, 2005: “July 1, 2005 is the last time during the current timeframe that Pearl Harbor / 'lett it happen' is on the triggerdates. “
There’s 1 date left on this 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern: April 18, 2009 and I think its disturbing that the swine flu reached the macrolevel around that date:
"The outbreak, which Mexican authorities began reporting April 18, is being investigated by public health officials throughout North America."
Remember that Pearl harbour stands for ‘let it happen’ in this HDDesign research.
So this 9/11 – London bombing synchronicity on April 27, 2009 seems to be an important marker. I decided to check the Phi and Pi points.
Phi point between 9/11 and April 27, 2009 = August 9, 2004
Thats Earth’s orbital position during Nagasaki
On that day:
August 9, 2004 : At the Mihama Nuclear Power Plant, a pipe leaking hot water and steam kills 5 and injures 6 others, in the 2nd worst nuclear disaster in Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihama_Nuclear_Power_Plant
The Pi point gives one of the major underlying themes in the HDDesign ‘research’:
The killing of Rafik Hariri on February 14, 2005
So this info should be kept in mind while monitoring these upcoming keydates:
As outlined above, the ‘Hirhoshima crash’ on August 6, 2005 and the flight 522 crash on August 14, 2005 play an important role in the ‘comunication’ that is taking place, aswell as the Hyper Dimensional ‘imprint’ on New Orleans on August 17, 2005
These dates are corresponding in our times with these dates: around May 27, June 4 and June 7.
These dates had already found their ways to the timelines, I had already identified them as key timeframes and put them on the timeline for Q2 2009( without explanation, I will elaborate later on the meaning of this Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse):
May 28, 2009 - 'collapse of The Tacoma Narrows Bridge'
YouTube:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs
June 6, 2009 - Venus at same orbital position as during the assassination of Rafik Hariri and Earth at same orbital position as during the Venus Transit of June 6, 2012
So keep an eye on the timeline for more correlations
Q2 2009 Timeline, April, May and June 2009
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about374-hddesign.html

[Dutch]

and the confirmation is there:
Generals held in Hariri killing walk free
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/29/lebanon.generals.released/index.html

[Paul]

and the confirmation is there:Of what?

[The Man]

and the confirmation is there:

Of what?

Bias!

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
Sigh...

I don't use them in a sense that I don't calculate in 4+ dimensions, I only look at the geometrical correlations in our familiar dimensions.

Our reality is part of a multi dimensional reality. This point of view should be clear enough because I've emphasized that numerous times

I don't know what untenable means, so I can't answer it
SO............ stop telling us about it.

Paul

untenable=bn. kan niet beschermd worden; onvast

[Paulhoff]

Aren't you happy that you didn't have him for a teacher.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Blue Mountain]

<snip>
April 21, 2009 is comparable to July 1, 2005 on this specific timecoded pattern.
I wrote on June 27, 2005: “July 1, 2005 is the last time during the current timeframe that Pearl Harbor / 'lett it happen' is on the triggerdates. “
There’s 1 date left on this 7-4-7 based timecoded pattern: April 18, 2009 and I think its disturbing that the swine flu reached the macrolevel around that date:
"The outbreak, which Mexican authorities began reporting April 18, is being investigated by public health officials throughout North America."
Once again, Dutch, you get it wrong by trying to force a single not-so-important event out of a series to fit your thesis. According to the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2009_swine_flu_outbreak&oldid=287174298), Mexican authorities first noticed the outbreak in March (see the section headed "Spread within Mexico.") The Mexico outbreak in La Gloria started in early March, and the CDC had already recognized this as a new strain by April 14.The only thing significant about April 18 is that a sample was shipped from Mexico to the CDC in Atlanta (reference #94 in the Wikipedia article.)

Remember that Pearl harbour stands for ‘let it happen’ in this HDDesign research.
Only you recognize it as such. For me, Pearl Harbour was the Invisible Pink Unicorn's way of goading American intelligence into working on breaking Purple.

So this 9/11 – London bombing synchronicity on April 27, 2009 seems to be an important marker. I decided to check the Phi and Pi points.
Phi point between 9/11 and April 27, 2009 = August 9, 2004
Thats Earth’s orbital position during Nagasaki
On that day:
August 9, 2004 : At the Mihama Nuclear Power Plant, a pipe leaking hot water and steam kills 5 and injures 6 others, in the 2nd worst nuclear disaster in Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihama_Nuclear_Power_Plant
More post hoc ergo propter hoc. You decided that August 9, 2004 was an important date, and went looking for something--anything--that would fit.

The Pi point gives one of the major underlying themes in the HDDesign ‘research’:
The killing of Rafik Hariri on February 14, 2005
And what does the murder of the Lebanese Prime Minister have to do with nuclear power? Oh, right, it just happens to occur on a point you find interesting. I'm sure you'll come up with a way to shoehorn Hariri into this timeline.

So this info should be kept in mind while monitoring these upcoming keydates:
As outlined above, the ‘Hirhoshima crash’ on August 6, 2005 and the flight 522 crash on August 14, 2005 play an important role in the ‘comunication’ that is taking place, aswell as the Hyper Dimensional ‘imprint’ on New Orleans on August 17, 2005
These dates are corresponding in our times with these dates: around May 27, June 4 and June 7.
These dates had already found their ways to the timelines, I had already identified them as key timeframes and put them on the timeline for Q2 2009( without explanation, I will elaborate later on the meaning of this Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse):
May 28, 2009 - 'collapse of The Tacoma Narrows Bridge'
YouTube:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs
The Tacoma Narrows bridge collapsed in November. Why is it on the timeline for the May-June timeframe?

June 6, 2009 - Venus at same orbital position as during the assassination of Rafik Hariri and Earth at same orbital position as during the Venus Transit of June 6, 2012
No, it isn't. At least not with respect to the Earth.

So keep an eye on the timeline for more correlations
Q2 2009 Timeline, April, May and June 2009
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about374-hddesign.html
You can draw all the correlations you want. Unfortunately, the whole HDD thing is beginning to look more and more like this: Big Ball of Mud (http://www.laputan.org/mud/)

[Dutch]

posted February 10, 2009:

Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:
May 6, 2002 - February 10, 2009 = 2.472 days
or 11 * 224.68 = 2.472 days rounded
Venus at same orbittal position
see related thread: 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=87&mforum=hddesign
keep an eye on the timeline too:
Q1 2009 timeline , January - February - March
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=368&mforum=hddesign
Oh yes.......
and the first innerplanet has arrived at the same orbittal position as during the end of this 911 based Phi spiral:
November 14, 2008 - February 10, 2009 = 88 days
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same orbittal position again!
So Venus and Mercury are at the same orbital positions as during the start and the end of this monitored 911 based Phi spiral. The identified underlying themes are expressed in our reality, as above so below.

So in fact this assault on the Dutch Royals happened with Mercury 'The Messenger' at the same orbital position as during the killing of Pim Fortuyn, the start of this 911 based Phi spiral.

So I did monitor and am monitoring the orbital positions of innerplanets at the end of this spiral and I did monitor the Venus position during the assassination of Pim Fortuyn.

The assault however happened at Mercury so to speak

Dutch 'royal attack' death toll rises (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/05/02/netherlands.royals.queen.car/index.html)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/05/02/netherlands.royals.queen.car/index.html

[Paulhoff]

So in fact this assault on the Dutch Royals happened with Mercury 'The Messenger' at the same orbital position as during the killing of Pim Fortuyn, the start of this 911 based Phi spiral.

So I did monitor and am monitoring the orbital positions of innerplanets at the end of this spiral and I did monitor the Venus position during the assassination of Pim Fortuyn.

Yet you post no positions.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dutch]

have you checked?

[Paulhoff]

have you checked?
Post them here, now, you have something to prove, not us.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paul]

So in fact this assault on the Dutch Royals happened with Mercury 'The Messenger' at the same orbital position as during the killing of Pim Fortuyn, the start of this 911 based Phi spiral.No it didn't, unless you mean Mercury was not in the same position for the two events.

So I did monitor and am monitoring the orbital positions of innerplanetsObviously not very well.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Dutch http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4430545#post4430545)
posted February 10, 2009:

Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:That's not true either.

[Blue Mountain]

posted February 10, 2009:

Note that on February 10, 2009 Venus is on the same orbittal position as during the assassinantion of Pim Fortuyn:
May 6, 2002 - February 10, 2009 = 2.472 days
or 11 * 224.68 = 2.472 days rounded
Venus at same orbittal position
see related thread: 911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=87&mforum=hddesign
keep an eye on the timeline too:
Q1 2009 timeline , January - February - March
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?t=368&mforum=hddesign
Oh yes.......
and the first innerplanet has arrived at the same orbittal position as during the end of this 911 based Phi spiral:
November 14, 2008 - February 10, 2009 = 88 days
Mercury 'The Messenger' at same orbittal position again!
So Venus and Mercury are at the same orbital positions as during the start and the end of this monitored 911 based Phi spiral. The identified underlying themes are expressed in our reality, as above so below.
What is the significance of November 14, 2008? I believe this is the first time that date has been mentioned in this thread. All other references to it have been in relation to the end of the Mayan Calendar, but that does not occur for another 3-1/2 years.

[Broes]

I can understand that Dutch finds the assassination of "Pim Fortuyn" an important event but on a global or historic scale it was nothing...

Dutch, would you have considered that assassination also important had you lived in say... New Zeeland?

Is your perception of the news not a bit biased because i never/hardly hear you mention news from Africa or Asia. Or am I just mistaking and are the planets just preoccupied with the western world?