Prophecy Timeline Challenge

[Hokulele]

After the Covenant is signed, then the Tribulation period starts.... and there is only 7 exact years left.


And what will you be saying in another 7 years when nothing like this happens?

[Davidjayjordan]

BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

You need professional help. Buh bye.

Nah Missy, My daughter taught me to make a website and she was only 16 at the time. It doesn;t take a professional to make a website or pass along truths to others. It just takes a sincere desire and a cohesive teacher.... the best being JESUS.

Bye Missy, I realise you were a little over your head, so do bow out gracefully.

Talk to you later after you have cooled down.

[Kopji]

I think she meant you were a nut, not that she needed help with a webpage.

[RandFan]

Way back then I had no dates, and no confirmations, and just posted the simple BASIC timeline of Daniel...as it all starts with the signing of the COVENANT.This is dishonest.

[RandFan]

It just takes a sincere desire... Honesty would be nice. You lose credibility when you are deceptive.

[Kopji]

This covenant is something like a peace treaty isn't it? So when someone works toward peace in the Mideast, they are like the Antichrist?

[RandFan]

This covenant is something like a peace treaty isn't it? So when someone works toward peace in the Mideast, they are like the Antichrist?2,000 years of waiting and the bleevers just won't give up. It's always just around the corner. Hell, if "this generation" can equal 2,000+ years then it can easily equal 3,000 or 10,000.

[Darth Rotor]

2,000 years of waiting and the bleevers just won't give up. It's always just around the corner. Hell, if "this generation" can equal 2,000+ years then it can easily equal 3,000 or 10,000.
Darnit, I thought it was a generation of vipers (http://www.dodge.com/viper/).

Of course, the downside is their effect on Global warming, but it would be so cool. :boggled:

DR

[Kopji]

I find DJJ to be depressing in an odd way.

He represents a kind of 'core engine' that has kept religion going for thousands of years. I doubt that a religious belief system (minus appearance of physical evidence) would survive without people hearing voices or seeing visions etc. These 'extreme manifestations' give a foundation of surety and confidence, that the sacrifices that are asked are worth it.

There are many reasonable and smart religious people that I really like. But ultimately, the nice religious people owe the survival of their faith to the 'hearers of voices'. Without people like Dave, religions cannot demand self sacrifice. It is the willingness to sacrifice self, and see self sacrifice as a good - it is this that keeps things going.

[RandFan]

Darnit, I thought it was a generation of vipers (http://www.dodge.com/viper/).

Of course, the downside is their effect on Global warming, but it would be so cool. :boggled:

DR:D

[The_Fire]

DJJ knows absolutely nothing about the very variable timing of both a pregnancy and actual birth, does he?

[Zep]

DJJ knows absolutely nothing about the very variable timing of both a pregnancy and actual birth, does he?

More accurate. ;)

[Björn Toulouse]

For the time period leading up to the GREAT Tribulation parallels EXACTLY with His Holy Days, holidays that He prescribed for His other TEMPLE, the man made one.


Amazing, amazingly EXACT....



His "Easter" prophecy tried to demonstrate a parallel with Holy Days but now appears to be a complete opposite. This prognostication stuff is so old and busted.



Way back then I had no dates, and no confirmations, and just posted the simple BASIC timeline of Daniel...as it all starts with the signing of the COVENANT.



Is this an admission that god was not consulted beforehand, that that prediction was done knowingly without the blessing of god?

[Foster Zygote]

In 2002, I had just started my website as I began it in late 2001.

And step by step the Lord has shown me more....

The Bible verse you earlier quoted didn't say "If a prophet makes a prediction and it doesn't come to pass you must double check the prophet's math". It clearly states that a prophecy unfulfilled is the sign of a false prophet. Allow me to speculate about the future: The year 2016 will come and go without any sign of the return of Jesus. Djj will discover more pieces of the prophecy that enable him to make a more accurate prediction that the second coming will happen in the year 2023.

[jsfisher]

So, there you have it. David Jay Jordan is a self-admitted false prophet. I will add that to his earlier admission of being a liar (regarding his stated unwillingness to discuss things he'd said he was here to discuss).

Any rebuttal, DJJ?

[Ichneumonwasp]

“O wad God the giftie gie us to see oursels as ithers see us!”

[Davidjayjordan]

“O wad God the giftie gie us to see oursels as ithers see us!”

Ich... I 5think you should be the spokesperson for the unbelievers who know nothing about prophecy as you make more sense than them.

Do consider it, even though you may have to work on your English a little.

[Cosmo]

Way back then I had no dates, and no confirmations, and just posted the simple BASIC timeline of Daniel...as it all starts with the signing of the COVENANT.

So you admit you changed your timeline. You are a liar and a fraud.

Unfortunately for you, this also means we can hang you by your balls for being wrong.

[Ichneumonwasp]

I once saw a man in a teflon suit. Fire they threw at him and spaghetti too.

Unfortunately he forgot his deodorant..............

[slingblade]

Ich... I 5think you should be the spokesperson for the unbelievers who know nothing about prophecy as you make more sense than them.

Do consider it, even though you may have to work on your English a little.


You do realize he was quoting Burns?

[Foster Zygote]

You do realize he was quoting Burns?

I doubt you need any prophetic powers to know the answer to that question.

[Davidjayjordan]

So you admit you changed your timeline. You are a liar and a fraud.

Unfortunately for you, this also means we can hang you by your balls for being wrong.

No the Daniel Timeline has remained exactly as it is now... for all these years...waiting for the Coivenant to be signed as mentioned...as the Covenant starts the Last 7 years.

I added the dates hyperlink in late 2006
AFTER

1) the Lord showed me the Giza confirmation, 2005
2) 390 Days of Ezekiel 2006
3) Woman's birth timeline confirmation 2006
4) Mayan parallel prophecy 2006

I like confirmations before making putting dates on a timeline.

[Paulhoff]

1) the Lord showed me the Giza confirmation, 2005
2) 390 Days of Ezekiel 2006
3) Woman's birth timeline confirmation 2006
4) Mayan parallel prophecy 2006

I like confirmations before making putting dates on a timeline.
This doesn't say a thing. "Woman's birth timeline confirmation".

How about

1) A partridge in a pear tree (date of your chose).

Paul

:) :) :)

[jsfisher]

No the Daniel Timeline has remained exactly as it is now... for all these years...waiting for the Coivenant to be signed as mentioned...as the Covenant starts the Last 7 years.

I added the dates hyperlink in late 2006
That may be, but you posted in another forum that the time-line would begin in 2002 with the signing of the covenant and would end seven years later.

That is a prophecy. That prophecy didn't prove out. You, then, by your own definition, are a false prophet.

Now, what does The Lord have to say about false prophets?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

This doesn't say a thing. "Woman's birth timeline confirmation".

How about

1) A partridge in a pear tree (date of your chose).

Paul

:) :) :)

Yup. How about that?

2) How about a tomato with an "appendage"? (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1708)

[Paulhoff]

Yup. How about that?

2) How about a tomato with an "appendage"? (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1708)

A cute tomato with two frontal appendages, perky ones would be nice. :jaw-dropp

Paul

:) :) :)

[Davidjayjordan]

This doesn't say a thing. "Woman's birth timeline confirmation".

How about

1) A partridge in a pear tree (date of your chose).

Paul

:) :) :)

I understand from your lack of knowledge concerning sex and how babies are produced makes most of you ignorant concerning a womans birthing timeline, but it is EXACTLY correspondant with the Holy Days or Holidays of the Lord in His other physical TEMPLE>

Coincidence NO< by DESIGN.

Just study biology, if you don't know scriptures.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Revelation 12: 1, 2

For when she was to be delivered, THEN the

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

This birth being EXACTLY at the time of the Great Tribulation, for then the AC declares war against us, and demands all the obedient complient athiests and religionists to take His MARK, and they will.

For they love this present world and their lives.

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

How long is 1260 days, it is three and a half years. The same EXACT time as the 42 months of Rev. 11, or the time, times and half of a time in Daniel and revelation.

So all the prophets stated the same length of time, of 1260 days, 42, months etc....

And it shall be.... but those without balls shall take the MARK of the Beast.


Read Rev. 12

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev012.html#top

But do read or study the phases or timing of a woman's birth time line to understand prophecy and life and the Lord's cohesive plan better.

[Paulhoff]

understand
My friend, that is one word that you have no knowledge of.

Paul

:) :) :)

At the age of seven, I passed you by.

[jsfisher]

How long is 1260 days, it is three and a half years. The same EXACT time as the 42 months of Rev. 11, or the time, times and half of a time in Daniel and revelation.

So all the prophets stated the same length of time, of 1260 days, 42, months etc....
Ummm, Davidjayjordan, 1260 days is about half a month short of 42 months.

Then again, that's the sort of mis-information we have come to expect from a mathematically-challenged lying false prophet such as yourself.

[Paulhoff]

How long is 1260 days, it is three and a half years. The same EXACT time as the 42 months of Rev. 11, or the time, times and half of a time in Daniel and revelation.
....
You are right jsfisher, 42 months is closer to 1277 days. DJJ has show us again that he does not know what the word EXACT means again.

Paul

:) :) :)

Exact and understand, a growing list of words that he is clueless about.

[RandFan]

How long is 1260 days, it is three and a half years. The same EXACT time as the 42 months... "Exact"? You used capital letters. "EXACT". I assume you really meant exaxt.

365 + 365 + 365 + 182.5 = 1277 Not exactly "exact".

Oops. jsfisher beat me to it.

[Hokulele]

What a horrible, horrible story. A poor woman gives birth, has her baby taken away, and is forced to live alone in the wilderness for less than 42 months. Also, did you know that no one can exactly predict gestation times? Ever hear of premature babies?

[Björn Toulouse]

So all the prophets stated the same length of time, of 1260 days, 42, months etc....


All of the prophets? What - a total of two, and a few hundred years apart? You mean John the Revelator didn't happen to copy something Daniel may have spoken?

[Ichneumonwasp]

You do realize he was quoting Burns?

I also wonder if he processed the fact that the line is from "To a Louse"?

[Davidjayjordan]

Ummm, Davidjayjordan, 1260 days is about half a month short of 42 months.

Then again, that's the sort of mis-information we have come to expect from a mathematically-challenged lying false prophet such as yourself.

well at least you are following along and thinking... Good for you JFisher...as in the middle of the last seven years, it takes one month for the abomination of desolation to be set up. Its the computer that is put in the 3rd temple, which gives the AC access and control over the world, via His Mark. They obey or die.

excellent JFisher. I realise you are trying to be negative, but even by being negative you bring up an excellent point... keep doing your exact math, as we need to get it exactly right.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

SEE the 30 Day time frame in the middle of the Daniel Timeline that I haven;t changed in all these years because Daniel and revelation remain the same.

[Davidjayjordan]

This appears to be the set-up excuse to go to war with Iran..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/ap_on_re_eu/british_troops_iran

Iran nabs British sailors in Iraq waters
48 minutes ago


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But then again you will say it's just luck and chance.....

[Davidjayjordan]

Wake up brethren and you, non brethren go to sleep ... for nothing will make you wake up.

[Davidjayjordan]

All of the prophets? What - a total of two, and a few hundred years apart? You mean John the Revelator didn't happen to copy something Daniel may have spoken?

Bjorn, Bjorn Bjorn always looking for excuses not to believe, maybe we should call you doubting Thomas Bjorn..

But then again, he eventually got real Faith and when on to do great things for the Lord in INdia.... and died as a matry for the Lord.

Maybe that's your destiny, for the worst became the best...as even Saul who became Paul was at first a persecutor of Christians before a lightning bolt from the Lord struck him down.

The first shall be last and the last first.

Its not so much how you start, but how you END.

[Darth Rotor]

Bjorn, Bjorn Bjorn always looking for excuses not to believe, maybe we should call you doubting Thomas Bjorn.
Only if he is a scratch golfer.
Maybe that's your destiny, for the worst became the best...as even Saul who became Paul was at first a persecutor of Christians before a lightning bolt from the Lord struck him down.
I was under the impression that it was a blast of light, not lightning, as lightning would more likely have killed him.
The first shall be last and the last first.
This is known as the ouroboros doctrine, related to the OODA loop, as well as the vicious cycle, not to be confused with "hitting for the cycle." It is baseball season in a few weeks, and I can hardly wait. (Yawn) I'll have an excuse to do anything but watch TV. Let's hear it for yard work!
Its not so much how you start, but how you END.
So said my date, after multiples, while lying exhausted on my water bed one fine afternoon, back in the wild days of my bachelorhood. :p

Ya know, Brother David, we might make a good comedy team. You be the straight man, I'll provide the punch lines.

Then again, we might want to eat, so perhaps it's not a good career move.

DR

[Paulhoff]

for nothing will make you wake up.
These are good words for you to listen to DJJ, very good words.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Björn Toulouse]

Bjorn, Bjorn Bjorn always looking for excuses not to believe, maybe we should call you doubting Thomas Bjorn..




What's so hard to believe about John copying Daniel? You did it too. Saying all of the prophets when there were only two doesn't carry much weight.

In high school we went to a competition where only 3 other schools were involved. We failed miserably. When we got home and were asked how we did, we answered, "we placed fourth."

[Björn Toulouse]

This appears to be the set-up excuse to go to war with Iran..



Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.

[jsfisher]

excellent JFisher. I realise you are trying to be negative, but even by being negative you bring up an excellent point... keep doing your exact math, as we need to get it exactly right.

MCLFP Davidjayjordan:

(a) Are you so mentally disabled that you only seldom get people's forum names correct?

(b) Now that you know 1260 days and 42 months are NOT the same thing, will you be updating all your web pages and related posts accordingly, or is "exact" one of those flexible concepts?


*-MCLFP = mathematically-challenged lying false prophet. Soon to be MDMCLFP.

[Hokulele]

Maybe that's your destiny, for the worst became the best...as even Saul who became Paul was at first a persecutor of Christians before a lightning bolt from the Lord struck him down.


Or might it have been a temporal lobe seizure?

[Foster Zygote]

I was under the impression that it was a blast of light, not lightning, as lightning would more likely have killed him.

What, you never saw Caddyshack?

[bruto]

MCLFP Davidjayjordan:

(a) Are you so mentally disabled that you only seldom get people's forum names correct?

(b) Now that you know 1260 days and 42 months are NOT the same thing, will you be updating all your web pages and related posts accordingly, or is "exact" one of those flexible concepts?


*-MCLFP = mathematically-challenged lying false prophet. Soon to be MDMCLFP.

Along with being a MCLFP, I'm afraid Mr. Jordan has also shown himself a careless reader of both posts and scriptures. I attribute his tendency to round off numbers to a misreading of the psalms. He thought he was supposed to stay away from the tenths of wickedness.

[Davidjayjordan]

Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.

It doesn;t take a prophet to know there will be an Iranian War. Anyone with half a brain, and a newspaper or internet or a means of gathering even a little bit of the what is happenning knows the precursors to war, and how they build it up and under what excuses they start it.

Bjorn, are you sure you have a few neurons connected, why can;t you see the obvious. Why deny everything and live such a sheltered existence ?

[Davidjayjordan]

MCLFP Davidjayjordan:

(a) Are you so mentally disabled that you only seldom get people's forum names correct?

(b) Now that you know 1260 days and 42 months are NOT the same thing, will you be updating all your web pages and related posts accordingly, or is "exact" one of those flexible concepts?


*-MCLFP = mathematically-challenged lying false prophet. Soon to be MDMCLFP.

As mentioned the exact timeline is in place, with 1260 days til the 30 days, followed by the final 1260 days, or 42 months.

If you can;t figure out these numbers, please repeat Grade 5 math class. Thanks.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

[Björn Toulouse]

It doesn;t take a prophet to know there will be an Iranian War. Anyone with half a brain, and a newspaper or internet or a means of gathering even a little bit of the what is happenning knows the precursors to war, and how they build it up and under what excuses they start it.

Bjorn, are you sure you have a few neurons connected, why can;t you see the obvious. Why deny everything and live such a sheltered existence ?



David, David, David, are you not able to comprehend my post? Read it again. You are the most blissful person on the planet.

[Davidjayjordan]

MCLFP Davidjayjordan:


*-MCLFP = mathematically-challenged lying false prophet. Soon to be MDMCLFP.

Not so dear Jfisher...

Please reframe from calling me a lying false prophet as that is surely deemed name calling and a PERSONAL ATTACK.....

But if it is acceptable by the moderators HERE by both you and Bruto, then I shall respond in kind with the reverse against you and be justified in doing so.

Let the mdoerators determine whether your name calling abbreviations is a personal ATTACK or whether it is legitimate discussion of an objective principle.

[thaiboxerken]

Hey, DavidJayJordan should be taken seriously. He is on a top 100 list for one of his posts.

http://www.fstdt.com/top100.asp

Scroll down to post 100.

[RandFan]

Please reframe from calling me a lying false prophet as that is surely deemed name calling and a PERSONAL ATTACK.....It is true. It is objectively true. You are a lying false prophet. I don't think the moderators can intercede when people speak objective truth.

Look, I might think you are an a-hole and I would probably be right but that is a subjective thing and therefore it wouldn't be appropriate to call you an a-hole.

That said, if you lie and prophesy falsely and that can be demonstrated, as it can in this case, then there is nothing the moderators can do.

Sorry Djj, the facts are against you on this one.

[Kopji]

'Lying false prophet' is redundant isn't it?

Well maybe not. He could be a false prophet who lies but thinks he is telling the truth. I'm not quite sure how to sort that one out.

Ol' granny back on the farm would have called him a 'prevaricator', just before unloading some salt buckshot his way to run him off. But this is the internet, and we are more civilized.

[jsfisher]

As mentioned the exact timeline is in place, with 1260 days til the 30 days, followed by the final 1260 days, or 42 months.

If you can;t figure out these numbers, please repeat Grade 5 math class. Thanks.
I have no difficulty with the mathematics involved, here. I am not the one that stated 1260 days and 42 months were exactly the same.

You were the one that made that boner.

And now that your error has been exposed, you continue as if nothing has changed. Shall we assume you were unsuccessful completing the fifth grade?

[RandFan]

I have no difficulty with the mathematics involved, here. I am not the one that stated 1260 days and 42 months were exactly the same.Yes, but what you fail to grasp is that while you think you understand what he meant to say what you don't understand is that what he said is not what he meant.

Exact = ~Exact

"It's all ball bearings nowadays." --Fletch

[Z]

David, you are a lying false prophet.

Lying, if for no other reason than you have repeatedly asserted that 1260 days = 42 months. However, that assumes all months have 30 days, when in fact they don't. 36 months equals 1096 days (we'll assume a leap year happened in there somewhere), leaving six months. Even if we assume all of those six months average in at 30 days apiece, that's still 180 days = and 1096+180 = 1276, not 1260.

A false prophet, for your earlier incorrect prophecies re: 2002.

Therefore, you are a lying false prophet. In the eyes of the Lord, you are no better than a murderer or idolator.

Welcome to Hell. I'll be your cellmate.














[Mr. T Voice]You look mighty cute in them jeans...[/Mr. T Voice]

[jsfisher]

Post removed. RandFan and Z already did a better job than I addressing the post's subject.

[Solus]

False skeptics know nothing and search for no answers and are at the mercy of every whim that their goverment and their religious institutions throws at them, whether it be their governments, military, econimic or educational institutions.

And they definitely know NOT the future, and don't want to think about it or the consequences of their lives or lifestyles.

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Isa 41:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=kjv#23)Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/24.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/d9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)

Isa 41:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of NOUGHT: an abomination is he that chooseth you.


So as the Lord said to Isaiah, come on athiests, and false skeptics, produce your claims to knowing something. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you believe in NOTHING and stand for NOTHING and back up NOTHING except what your governments tell you to believe.

But at least one of you must know something, and be able to stand behind something. Answer the question, produce your CAUSE, your strong REASONS, some kind of LOGIC, some kind of principle, some kind of TRUTH.
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A little error, it should say trying to type. :D

I just found this image and will make holy use of it indeed!

[RandFan]

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A little error, it should say trying to type. :D

I just found this image and will make holy use of it indeed!I like it. :)

[slingblade]

My goodness, this guy is....something else isn't he?

I have a therapy appointment Tuesday, DJJ. If you'd care to join me, I'm sure someone there can help you with your megalomania.

[bruto]

Not so dear Jfisher...

Please reframe from calling me a lying false prophet as that is surely deemed name calling and a PERSONAL ATTACK.....

But if it is acceptable by the moderators HERE by both you and Bruto, then I shall respond in kind with the reverse against you and be justified in doing so.

Let the mdoerators determine whether your name calling abbreviations is a personal ATTACK or whether it is legitimate discussion of an objective principle.

You have responded in kind from the very start, calling all who challenge your preposterous claims false, nihilistic, atheistic and any number of other unwarranted things. I feel quite comfortable calling you a lying, false prophet, and a hypocrite to boot, and invite the moderators to consider the charge based on the actual content of your posts and the links with which you have so abundantly spammed all your threads, which contain falsehoods, misstatements, misdirection, sanctimonious hypocrisy and insult sufficient in my opinion to warrant the title, based entirely on the content of your writing here and the character you evince through your posts. I make no reference to who or what you are when you're at home, but the persona which posts as "Davidjayjordan" posts lies and false prophecies, and if that identity bothers you all you need to do is stop.

You can call me anything you like as long as it is based on what I post here, and on your opinion of what I write here, and I won't mind a bit. Just try to be accurate and avoid your usual mistakes of comprehension.

[Davidjayjordan]

Seeing the moderators deem your name calling and slandering acceptable HERE, I shall make note of their vacuum and non-judgment of people being encouraged to call me names.

I didn't think they would have the courage to control the m.o.b. when the mob is in the majority.

Now back to the simple basic exact timeline of the future....

Maybe in words this time as most donl;t seem to be able to add 1260 plus 30 plus 1260.. and most don;t seem to understand the timeline of a baby's birth.... and many many other easy to understand concepts.

Daniel 9 the 'Last 7 Years'

As the Lord himself said, “Whosoever readeth, let him understand” what Daniel the prophet said about the LAST Days. (Mathew 24: 15 …..). In other words, if we want to know what the Lord will be doing in the ENDTIME, we have to study and learn what His prophet Daniel said about the 'LAST SEVEN YEARS'.

This basic outline is all wrapped up in a few verses in Daniel Chapter Nine. So if you open up your Bibles, and hopefully they will be King James Version Bibles if you are to truly be able to cross reference what is said in the spirit to the rest of the Bible. Anyway, go to Chapter 9, verse 24. I’ll write down the exact verse as we go along and put my comments in parenthesis. But this is shown graphically on the Messianic Timeline (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/TimeProphecy.html)

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophesy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So no matter how you look at it, for all these things to be accomplished it definitely has to be the End of things as we know it and the Lord of Lords has to have returned to straighten things out. Why because we certainly don’t have an end of sin and iniquity in the world today, and we certainly don’t have everlasting righteous reigning in today’s courts nor institutions. Besides, without the Lord’s 2nd return, how can there be peace on earth without the Prince of Peace who will bring in everlasting righteousness. So until He gets anointed as the Rightful Heir and Rightful Ruler of this wicked world, His prophecies through ALL of his prophets have not been fulfilled nor His vision completed.

Therefore as this beautiful mathematical prophecy states there will be seventy (70) weeks determined upon us, his people (spiritual Israel) and upon his holy city, (the City of David…Jerusalem), before it gets cleansed.

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven (7) weeks, and three score (3 times 20 = 60) and two weeks. (Making a grand total of 7 + 60 + 2 = 69 weeks).

O.K. We’re going up until the Messiah, or the promised Savior for He was prophesied about from the very beginning by all including Adam and all his descendants, for He was called 'The Son of Man', our Redeemer because He was the Promised One to come that would save us from our original sins. So who was this Messiah and when did he come?

Well, as Daniel is told, the 70 weeks start ‘from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem’. Yet Daniel is speaking in about 534 B.C. at a time when the Lord’s people have been scattered and many of them taken into CAPTIVITY to Babylon, as was the case with Daniel himself. The Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem had been destroyed by the conquering army of Nebacanezar, the King of Babylon in 586 B.C., and the whole Temple Mount area in Jerusalem was in shambles. And it was to stay that way, all the way up until the time of Artaxerses King of the Medes, because His father Darius the Mede had defeated Beltezazar the son of Nebancanezar. For it took until 454. B.C. before Artaxerxes yielded to the request of Nehemiah asking the king to allow him and others to return and rebuild the city of their father’s selpuchre and their temple, back in Judah. (Nehemiah 2:5).

So according to Daniel, this first period of time from the going forth of this commandment to rebuild would take seven (7) weeks, until the street shalt be built again and the wall, even in troublous times. Why did it take so long, simply because while Nehemiah and his men were building the wall and city, they were also having to fight off attacks from those that didn?t want them to finish the completion of the Lord's wall.. (Nehemiah 4; 7,8). Yet they accomplished their task in 405 B.C, 49 years after beginning. So let's see, if 7 weeks equaled 49 years, mathematically that would mean that one week in Daniel's prophecy would be equal to 7 years.

But let's check, it to make sure. and lo and behold the original Hebrew word used here in the Old Testament was 'Shebua'. And the meaning of Shebua is seven. So just as the Lord created everything in seven days or what we call a week even today, this word 'Shebua' meant seven. And if you take seven shuba's that would make 7 x 7 or 49 years.

Great, so we have a match, and all is perfectly matching both history, language and mathematics, as the Lord fulfilled his never-failing Word. .So now let's take the second time period, which Daniel says takes three score and two weeks until the Messiah Shall be cut off.. That's 62 weeks or 62 x 7 equals 434 years from the finishing of the wall in Jerusalem. So we add 432 years onto 405 B.C. but because the time line Before Christ went downward towards zero and then onward positively as the years of A.D. passed, we subtract 434 from 405 meaning we have a difference of 29. But hold everything, there was no year 0, whether B.C. or A.D. so let's add one more year to our positive number of 29 making our projected cut off date for the Messiah to be 30 A.D.



Please proceed to Daniel 9 Part Two (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Daniel9Part2.html)

[thaiboxerken]

Calling you are false prophet and a failure at math isn't "name calling" it's just an accurate description. You're also quite a weird person. Why do you keep spamming your website to us here?

[Paulhoff]

So now let's take the second time period, which Daniel says takes three score and two weeks until the Messiah Shall be cut off.. That's 62 weeks or 62 x 7 equals 434 years from the finishing of the wall in Jerusalem. So we add 432 years onto 405 B.C.

I just love the way you jump around. First you jump from 62 weeks multiply that by 7 (where to hell did you dig up 7, don’t worry, you’ll make up something dumb) and get 434 years (weeks to years) then you drop 2 years to get 432 so you can work your dumb number 432 in there and for more fun you throw in 405 B.C.

You are not well DJJ.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paulhoff]

So let's see, if 7 weeks equaled 49 years, mathematically that would mean that one week in Daniel's prophecy would be equal to 7 years.
7 weeks equals 49 years, the word is NO

Paul

:) :) :)

Magical thinking, begets magical thinking, begets etc.

[thaiboxerken]

The math is so poor that 3rd graders would laugh at it.

[Paulhoff]

The math is so poor that 3rd graders would laugh at it.
No only that, but he just grabs number from anywhere and if that wasn't bad, he changes what they represent to anything his heart whats.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Hokulele]

Maybe in words this time as most donl;t seem to be able to add 1260 plus 30 plus 1260.. and most don;t seem to understand the timeline of a baby's birth.... and many many other easy to understand concepts.


And neither do you. I am hesitant to even ask this, but do you really know anything about gestation periods? Anything?

[RandFan]

Seeing the moderators deem your name calling and slandering acceptable HERE, I shall make note of their vacuum and non-judgment of people being encouraged to call me names. You lied and your prophecy was false.

1.) There was no slander.
2.) There was no name calling.

Figure that math.

[Darth Rotor]

You lied and your prophecy was false.

1.) There was no slander.
2.) There was no name calling.

Figure that math.
I prophesize that the mods will pass this thread to AAH.

If they don't, they should.

It is mostly a canned meat product.

DR

[jsfisher]

Yet they accomplished their task in 405 B.C, 49 years after beginning. So let's see, if 7 weeks equaled 49 years, mathematically that would mean that one week in Daniel's prophecy would be equal to 7 years.
The great thing about most prophecies is that eventually, in the fullness of time, something will happen that can be claimed to match the prophecy. Vagueness helps, too.

A wrench gets tossed in the works when the prophet puts any sort of time reference in the prophecy.

Davidjayjordan, you failed to cover up your own false prophecy; now your are trying to run offense for Daniel's predicition boo-boo. The KJV (which was your choice) says "weeks", not "sevens of years." Give it up. You are a lying false prophet, and Daniel wasn't such a good prophet, either.

[Davidjayjordan]

Well Fisher, Jesus confirmed the veracity of Daniel in Mathew 24 : 15, and confirmed the world wide flood and Noah just afterwards, so I think I shall believe in his VERACITY rather than your denials of truth.

Darn false prophets keep thinking their governments that they put soooo much FAITH and TRUST in will go on forever.

This is the hand that they think feeds them and so they are FAITHFUL to their MASTERS of this world.

[Paulhoff]

Well Fisher, Jesus confirmed the veracity of Daniel in Mathew 24 : 15, and confirmed the world wide flood and Noah just afterwards, so I think I shall believe in his VERACITY rather than your denials of truth.
No Jesus, no Noad, and no flood.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Hokulele]

Darn false prophets keep thinking their governments that they put soooo much FAITH and TRUST in will go on forever.


As opposed to the false prophets who do not know the correct distance between the earth and moon.

Define barycenter.

[jsfisher]

Well Fisher, Jesus confirmed the veracity of Daniel in Mathew 24 : 15, and confirmed the world wide flood and Noah just afterwards, so I think I shall believe in his VERACITY rather than your denials of truth.
A 2,000 year old book of fairy tales and inconsistencies hardly qualifies as proof for its own fantasies.

Got any real proof?

How about even just a reliable historical record that Jesus existed?

[jsfisher]

I found someone of interest. He seems to have the two characteristics Davidjayjordan cherishes most:


He has a web site (http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html), so he is super-smart and on a mission to educate the great unwashed masses.

He is part of an impeach Bush campaign, so he by definition a true skeptic.


The only problem is he presents evidence that Daniel was a false prophet. Go figure.

[Davidjayjordan]

A 2,000 year old book of fairy tales and inconsistencies hardly qualifies as proof for its own fantasies.

Got any real proof?

How about even just a reliable historical record that Jesus existed?

Read Josephus historical accounts.... but then again you don;t usually want proofs, you just want to deny proofs.

Yet for proof of Jesus personnally, have some balls and get some faith and experience Him by putting it all on the line as a full time missionary, or per chance by His MERCY, if there's hope for you, He may choose a less costly and gutsy venue.

His choice, then again your choice.

Isn't it amazing that He doesn't force Himself on you, and gives you choice after choice, so you will be responsible for your own destiny.

[Davidjayjordan]

I found someone of interest. He seems to have the two characteristics Davidjayjordan cherishes most:

He has a web site (http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html), so he is super-smart and on a mission to educate the great unwashed masses.
He is part of an impeach Bush campaign, so he by definition a true skeptic.
The only problem is he presents evidence that Daniel was a false prophet. Go figure.

True skeptics find real answers, impeaching a dummy figure head would only bring on another Illumunati figure head to sway the masses.

True skeptics don;t just tear down but have answers to build up.

SEE Jeremiah 1: 16

[Davidjayjordan]

Lets talk about the 390 Days of Ezekiel and how his prophecy is duplicated in the End Time.... and confirms Daniel's and John's.

Then maybe we can discuss Moses prophecy of our witnesses, and then its confirmation by Esdras (Ezra).

Isn't prophecy amazing because all have confirmations so that none need stand alone. All exact and specific and confirming, so that we are without excuse in not understanding them.

O.K. O.K. we shall also get into Amos and then Joel's confirmations.

Twist my arm will ya, FINE we can also see brother Isaiah's prophecy's becasue it wasn;t his words but the Lord's as all these prophets were spoken through. Amazing amazing...

[Z]

Let's not. I've been told to not listen to false prophets and liars.

[jsfisher]

Read Josephus historical accounts.
The Josephus account of Jesus is discredited even by Christian scholars. It is not the work of Josephus. The widely held conclusion is that the reference to Jesus was added later by some well-meaning monk, and is of no historic value.

[Kopji]

Don't forget the prophet Hud.

[Kopji]

Josephus's writings make the Bible look like a science text.

[Paulhoff]

Read Josephus historical accounts.... but then again you don;t usually want proofs, you just want to deny proofs.

Yet for proof of Jesus personnally, have some balls and get some faith and experience Him by putting it all on the line as a full time missionary, or per chance by His MERCY, if there's hope for you, He may choose a less costly and gutsy venue.

His choice, then again your choice.

Isn't it amazing that He doesn't force Himself on you, and gives you choice after choice, so you will be responsible for your own destiny.
Josephus WHO, does he have a first name, and also like one book, one person doesn't have much weight.

"Have some balls and get some Faith", that is so childish, so you what us to dummy down to your level, I think therefore I will not dummy down.

And for the not forcing BS, to threaten someone with fire for all eternity is more then forcing.

Paul


:) :) :)

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Read Josephus historical accounts.... but then again you don;t usually want proofs, you just want to deny proofs.

Josephus did not write anything about the Christ Jesus. There were all sorts of mad men wandering around the country at the time performing documented miracles and claiming to sent from God. Why believe in one with nil independent evidence?

[jsfisher]

True skeptics don;t just tear down but have answers to build up.

SEE Jeremiah 1: 16
What, for the love of Jove, does Jeremiah 1:16 have to do with that? Looks like a "have no other gods before me" sort of thing to me.

By the way, you are still a lying false prophet. Your predictions and your pronouncements are all suspect without objective evidence to support them.

Got any?

[Björn Toulouse]

Read Josephus historical accounts.....


What a rube. Can't believe you played that card in defense.

[Davidjayjordan]

Calling you are false prophet and a failure at math isn't "name calling" it's just an accurate description. You're also quite a weird person. Why do you keep spamming your website to us here?

I don't spam, I just give specfic direct hyperlinks to specific articles that answer the question at hand. Why should I rewrite everytime the same answer for the same question or the same situation.

WE have to make progress and understand and discern questions, so that we don;t waste time, but having basic building blocks in every area so as to be cohesive and integrated rather than being newbies and unprepared for mental battles and mental accomplishments and goals.

progress progress, progress..

Or onward Christian soldiers ....

[Davidjayjordan]

What, for the love of Jove, does Jeremiah 1:16 have to do with that? Looks like a "have no other gods before me" sort of thing to me.

By the way, you are still a lying false prophet. Your predictions and your pronouncements are all suspect without objective evidence to support them.

Got any?


It appears you would even call Jeremiah a false prophet and a liar... Oh well, I prefer siding with him than with you. And try verse 10 as didn;t have time to look up the verse for ya....

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Jer 1:10 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Jer&chapter=1&verse=10&version=kjv#10)¶See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


For He was told to root out, pull down, destroy and throw down with words and principles the false kingdom so the Lord could establish and BUILD and PLANT a true one with truths..

So true skeptics don;t just pull down, they also make way for a planned building and a PLANTING.... and new life.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2459911#post2459911)
Read Josephus historical accounts.....


What a rube. Can't believe you played that card in defense.
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Its not defense, its offense, as Josephus was a true historian, and only offensive to those that don;t like true history.

In other words true researchers READ JOSEPHUS...

[jsfisher]

It appears you would even call Jeremiah a false prophet and a liar... Oh well, I prefer siding with him than with you. And try verse 10 as didn;t have time to look up the verse for ya....
Nope, you are the lying false prophet, Davidjayjordan. That's an objectively determined fact.

I suggested Daniel may be a false prophet as well. I made no such suggestion regarding Jeremiah. And for neither Daniel nor Jeremiah did I accuse them of lying. You have lied again, Davidjayjordan.

As for verse 10 versus versus 16, I never asked you "to look up a verse for ya." I don't cherish your 2,000 year-old book of fairy tales. However, I can see that even in your world of twisted reality, Davidjayjordan, spewing the lies and perversions you have here would make your Jesus cry.

Why do you make Jesus cry?

[jsfisher]

Its not defense, its offense, as Josephus was a true historian, and only offensive to those that don;t like true history.

In other words true researchers READ JOSEPHUS...
Josephus, in fact, wrote nothing of Jesus.

[Paulhoff]

Or onward Christian soldiers ....
Oh, can you just feel the love in that..............

Paul

:) :) :)

Your so-called Jesus would and or will be sooo proud

[Z]

I think I just figured it out.

DJJ comes in here attempting to tempt us with lies and false prophecies. He advocates the notion that churches are evil, but sensuality is desirable...

(Not that I entirely disagree)

Yet he buys into the mythos (apparently) behind Christianity...

He's a Satanist! It makes perfect sense! Lies, false prophecy, tempting people away from their church, obsession with sex...

Yep. Perfect sense.

[The_Fire]

[snip]
He's a Satanist! It makes perfect sense! Lies, false prophecy, tempting people away from their church, obsession with sex...

Yep. Perfect sense.

I have a couple of levey-tradition friends whom would strongly object to being classified in the same religion as DJJ..........

[Cosmo]

True skeptics find real answers, impeaching a dummy figure head would only bring on another Illumunati figure head to sway the masses.

True skeptics don;t just tear down but have answers to build up.


"True" skeptics? Illuminati? You really are a conspiracy theorist, aren't you? :roll:

Back to the looney bin with you!

[Ichneumonwasp]

I think I just figured it out.

DJJ comes in here attempting to tempt us with lies and false prophecies. He advocates the notion that churches are evil, but sensuality is desirable...

(Not that I entirely disagree)

Yet he buys into the mythos (apparently) behind Christianity...

He's a Satanist! It makes perfect sense! Lies, false prophecy, tempting people away from their church, obsession with sex...

Yep. Perfect sense.

Or the Anti-Christ, in the flesh. Ooooooh, the prophecies are making more and more sense now............

[Darth Rotor]

Josephus, in fact, wrote nothing of Jesus.
Last I checked, Erdman disagrees with you.

Not discredited, js, though there is certainly disagreement among scholars on Josephus' significance.

DR

[Foster Zygote]

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[jsfisher]

Last I checked, Erdman disagrees with you.

Not discredited, js, though there is certainly disagreement among scholars on Josephus' significance.

DR
I quite agree with you DR. I think the most current consensus is that Josephus may have actually referenced a man named Jesus, but that the text has been so thoroughly corrupted by translation and interpolation to have completely lost any historic value.

However, our debate opponent here lacks any capacity for subtlety or areas of gray. The flatness of my statement to DJJ was meant as a direct counter to his unqualified "read Josephus (for proof of the Christ)." I admit it contained opinion and hyperbole.

[jsfisher]

I think I just figured it out.

DJJ comes in here attempting to tempt us with lies and false prophecies. He advocates the notion that churches are evil, but sensuality is desirable...

(Not that I entirely disagree)

Yet he buys into the mythos (apparently) behind Christianity...

One glaring oddity is his true skeptic/false skeptic rant. We are admonished from his pulpit that we must not just question authority, but out-right reject it. To believe "the government" and not seek out and invent conspiracy theories disqualifies one as a true skeptic. Yet, he demands we accept his authority and that of the Bible.

Am I to conclude that DJJ insists that only false skeptics believe in Jesus?

So, what have he learned? DJJ is a liar--we knew that. DJJ is a false prophet--we knew that, too. But now we know DJJ doesn't what us to believe him--how considerate. It all balances out, I guess.

He's a Satanist! It makes perfect sense! Lies, false prophecy, tempting people away from their church, obsession with sex...

Yep. Perfect sense.
Don't forget that his sacred 432 plus its reverse is 666. And given the sorts of numeric errors DJJ often makes, 696 is a possibility, too. Just perverted....

[Björn Toulouse]

Don't forget that his sacred 432 plus its reverse is 666. And given the sorts of numeric errors DJJ often makes, 696 is a possibility, too. Just perverted....





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[Foster Zygote]

I quite agree with you DR. I think the most current consensus is that Josephus may have actually referenced a man named Jesus, but that the text has been so thoroughly corrupted by translation and interpolation to have completely lost any historic value.

However, our debate opponent here lacks any capacity for subtlety or areas of gray. The flatness of my statement to DJJ was meant as a direct counter to his unqualified "read Josephus (for proof of the Christ)." I admit it contained opinion and hyperbole.

Didn't Origen make reference to Josephus without making any reference to any sort of Jesus testimony? I could swear he called Josephus an unbeliever.

[jsfisher]

Didn't Origen make reference to Josephus without making any reference to any sort of Jesus testimony? I could swear he called Josephus an unbeliever.
IIRC Josephus was both a non-believer and in the employ of the Roman government, wasn't he? Seems unlikely he'd promote something not in line with his own beliefs and not in line with the beliefs of his employer.

[Davidjayjordan]

IIRC Josephus was both a non-believer and in the employ of the Roman government, wasn't he? Seems unlikely he'd promote something not in line with his own beliefs and not in line with the beliefs of his employer.

Exactly Josephus was employed by the Romans as a historian. he was not paid by a Christian church, and therefore as the historian for his time and arena, he did an exacting job in describing palestine during jesus' time.

You wanted proof of Jesus, you can prove it yourself HERE and NOW, or you can read about it from JOSEPHUS.

But you most likely still won;t believe becayuse most of your hearts are hardened and your minds closed.

False skeptics don't want answers, they relish in their doubts as their faith in in DOUBT.

[RandFan]

You wanted proof of Jesus, you can prove it yourself HERE and NOW, or you can read about it from JOSEPHUS. Prove what? That a man named Jesus lived?

But you most likely still won;t believe becayuse most of your hearts are hardened and your minds closed.I don't believe for the same reason you don't believe in Zeus or Mithras or many other gods. There is no evidence of their divinity.

False skeptics don't want answers, they relish in their doubts as their faith in in DOUBT.Like you are looking for answers that Zeus is god. Please. You are an atheist like the rest of us except we just believe in one less god than you. You are not special.

[Foster Zygote]

Exactly Josephus was employed by the Romans as a historian. he was not paid by a Christian church, and therefore as the historian for his time and arena, he did an exacting job in describing palestine during jesus' time.

The whole point is that the reference to Jesus and his divinity was most likely added to Josephus' text many years later by a Christian scribe. If Josephus had written the disputed lines then Origen most likely would have mentioned them and he certainly would not have referred to Josephus as an unbeliever if he's said that Jesus was seen by his follower after his resurrection and that he was the true Christ. Prior to movable type all texts were copied by hand and errors and deliberate alterations were common. There are even cases where authors are known to have included curses in their texts for those who might deliberately alter the writer's intent. We know that Christian texts were altered many times. The last twelve verses of Mark, for instance, were added later.

[Darth Rotor]

The whole point is that the reference to Jesus and his divinity was most likely added to Josephus' text many years later by a Christian scribe.
That's one take on it.
If Josephus had written the disputed lines then Origen most likely would have mentioned them and he certainly would not have referred to Josephus as an unbeliever if he's said that Jesus was seen by his follower after his resurrection and that he was the true Christ. Prior to movable type all texts were copied by hand and errors and deliberate alterations were common. There are even cases where authors are known to have included curses in their texts for those who might deliberately alter the writer's intent. We know that Christian texts were altered many times. The last twelve verses of Mark, for instance, were added later.
I think this thread begun by Malachi151 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75494), and some others like it, have some good commentary on the topic.

I think this diversion by DJJ to Josephus, without the kind of fleshing out made in that thread by some very well spoken posters, leads us to a Readers' Digest style treatment of that much discussed and remarked upon reference.

To js and RandFan: sorry not to reply, but thanks for your posts, and the points to ponder. :)

DR

[Davidjayjordan]

Didn't Origen make reference to Josephus without making any reference to any sort of Jesus testimony? I could swear he called Josephus an unbeliever.

Josephus from what I heard was not a believer, just a historian bought and paid for, to write down facts as most historians are told to do.

Jesus was a historical figure, it can not be denied even though false skeptics want to deny anything positive or the most positive person that ever lived.

[jsfisher]

Josephus from what I heard was not a believer, just a historian bought and paid for, to write down facts as most historians are told to do.

Not quite. IIRC, he was more of a foreign correspondent, providing appropriate news (and views) for his loyal readership.

Jesus was a historical figure, it can not be denied even though false skeptics want to deny anything positive or the most positive person that ever lived.

Nope. Religion in general and Jesus in particular are too often crutches for the feeble minded. Faith systems limit skeptical thought, not promote it.

Davidjayjordan, it is not false skepticism to challenge the absolutely baseless and absurd spewage you generate. Besides, as the spewage claimant, it is your responsibility, not ours, to offer supporting evidence--evidence that is not itself more baseless and absurd spewage.

Any possibility you'll do that at some point?

[lupus_in_fabula]

By Therion: Chain of Minerva (Gothic Kabbalah)

Adelruna antiqua
The prophecy of Sibylla
I look into the mirror, a picture appears
Future, future...
A prophecy I see
I behold in the well: 2012
On the cross, on the hanged man's flesh you can read the runes of this prophecy
I can read the signs
I see!
Eagles don't eat flies
Movements in the sky predict the year
The mind of mine flies high... ;)

[Foster Zygote]

Josephus from what I heard was not a believer, just a historian bought and paid for, to write down facts as most historians are told to do.

Jesus was a historical figure, it can not be denied even though false skeptics want to deny anything positive or the most positive person that ever lived.

Yes, Josephus was an historian. But the passage in question was very likely not written by Josephus, but rather by a Christian scribe many years later. If this is the case (and there is good evidence that it is) then the writings of Josephus do nothing to support the existence of Jesus Christ let alone his divinity. Even many Christian scholars (and by that I mean scholars who are Christian, not just scholars of Christianity) are highly suspicious of the authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum. I know you like the poetic ring of the words "false skeptic" but a real false skeptic would be someone who only embraces evidence that supports an idea that he chooses to endorse and ignores evidence that points toward a different truth.

[Davidjayjordan]

What's the point?

Your underlying assumptions that led to to this time line are what should be exposed and discussed. If you miscounted days on a calendar, that is easily fixed, but if your logic and reasoning is suspect, that is an entirely different matter.

So, what specific "input" drove the creation of that time line? (And please, just say what you have to say without any URLs or questionable relevance.)

Being direct..

I wanted to teach my kids what I learned about prophecy, bnut wanted them to have a solid base rather than the mixed up ever changing one in the Children of God group....... so I spent a whole winter studying.... and one particular consistent repeating theme keep coming to light. Irrevefutable, undeniable, there will be a second exodus.... it is said in about 7 places.

Jeremiah 51:6-9,13
Mathew 24:16 ...
Revelations 12:15,16
I Corinthians 10:11
Revelations 12:6
Micah 7:15
Hosea 2:1 & 15
Esdras 15:11
Zechariah 2, 9, 10
Amos 9:11
Joel 2:28-31
Ezekiel 34:13 -25
Jeremiah 23:3,6

I indexed the whole old testament as I knew the NEW Testament and because it meshed perfectly I figured the Lord had done the leading.

IF it fits, accept it..... and it does.

I still have these huge word linkages somewhere.

From there it was rather easy as I made the Daniel timeline, the Revelations graph, and then the web site.

The first article was basically Here with those exact verses that repeatedly showed a SECOND EXODUS.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/2ndExodus1.html

The rest is history or should I say prophecy

[Davidjayjordan]

Mind you, I had already given up my career, my inheritance and been a missionary for 13 years before the Lord showed me these things so it could definitely take a little more than just study study study... insights and inspiration are needed...other wise we have eyes to see and see NOT.

[bruto]

Being direct..

I wanted to teach my kids what I learned about prophecy, bnut wanted them to have a solid base rather than the mixed up ever changing one in the Children of God group....... so I spent a whole winter studying.... and one particular consistent repeating theme keep coming to light. Irrevefutable, undeniable, there will be a second exodus.... it is said in about 7 places.

Jeremiah 51:6-9,13
Mathew 24:16 ...
Revelations 12:15,16
I Corinthians 10:11
Revelations 12:6
Micah 7:15
Hosea 2:1 & 15
Esdras 15:11
Zechariah 2, 9, 10
Amos 9:11
Joel 2:28-31
Ezekiel 34:13 -25
Jeremiah 23:3,6

I indexed the whole old testament as I knew the NEW Testament and because it meshed perfectly I figured the Lord had done the leading.

IF it fits, accept it..... and it does.

I still have these huge word linkages somewhere.

From there it was rather easy as I made the Daniel timeline, the Revelations graph, and then the web site.

The first article was basically Here with those exact verses that repeatedly showed a SECOND EXODUS.

http://

The rest is history or should I say prophecy

So where's this second exodus going to go from and to? I just want to be prepared, so I can head the other way. :D

[Kochanski]

David, you are still pushing your "prophecy" based on a moldy old book written by men with no proof of divine origin. We have no reason to believe you. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

You are like all the others who shout "Repent for the time is at hand" only to have that time come and go without a single bit of the "prophecy" coming true. YAWN. Been there, done that, and still waiting to hear the reasons why the previous prophecies just didn't pan out.

So I will say to you what I have said to others "When the Rapture comes can I have your car?".

[Björn Toulouse]

From there it was rather easy as I made the Daniel timeline,


Excuse me? Who made the Daniel timeline?

[jsfisher]

David, you are still pushing your "prophecy" based on a moldy old book written by men with no proof of divine origin. We have no reason to believe you. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

Isn't this the new and improved DJJ prophecy? Sure, the first one was a bit lacking, but if it's new and improved, it has to be right, no?

[Hokulele]

Irrevefutable, undeniable, there will be a second exodus.... it is said in about 7 places.


I guess you had better get walking then.

Mind you, I had already given up my career, my inheritance ...


And a few other things apparently.

[Björn Toulouse]

....we have eyes to see and see NOT.


Like saying "none so blind as those who refuse to see?" In another case, "none so deaf as those who refuse to hear?"

What makes you different from all of the previous Doomsday Prophets?

Nothing.

Hope your family will fare well.

[jond]

Being direct..

I wanted to teach my kids what I learned about prophecy, bnut wanted them to have a solid base rather than the mixed up ever changing one in the Children of God group....... so I spent a whole winter studying.... and one particular consistent repeating theme keep coming to light. Irrevefutable, undeniable, there will be a second exodus.... it is said in about 7 places.

Jeremiah 51:6-9,13
Mathew 24:16 ...
Revelations 12:15,16
I Corinthians 10:11
Revelations 12:6
Micah 7:15
Hosea 2:1 & 15
Esdras 15:11
Zechariah 2, 9, 10
Amos 9:11
Joel 2:28-31
Ezekiel 34:13 -25
Jeremiah 23:3,6



Once again, DJJ demonstrates his most unique math skills. I count 13, but I guess that's about 7? Your poor kids...

[Davidjayjordan]

Excuse me? Who made the Daniel timeline?

Daniel was given it in words, I just put it on a timeline so that it might be easier to understand.

But still most don;t take the time to comprehend its simple mathematical and logical conclusions and the verses that co-relate with the events. Most are lazy and just complain and make snide remarks, but true skeptics do the research and ask good questions as well as asking the Lord

[Davidjayjordan]

Once again, DJJ demonstrates his most unique math skills. I count 13, but I guess that's about 7? Your poor kids...

You poor deluded soul, you try to count but absolutely refuse to read the verses. Poor deluded soul that is ignorant by choice...or as the GOOD BOOK states, willingly ignorant.

The verses are just a start as there are about seven old Testament verses, I gave seven

One is from the Epocrypha.. 2nd Esdras

The others from the New Testament because both Testaments state the same thing, there will be a SECOND EXODUS.

But doubters doubt and refuse to read.... they deny evrything as it is easier for them than doing the hard work of studying and researching. They are fearful and lack courage.

[Davidjayjordan]

I guess you had better get walking then.

And a few other things apparently.

There is a time and a season for everything. You can start walking now Hokulele, but I and we shall wait for the timeline to be fulfilled til we are suppose to meet and gather, and THEN exodus as one.

You will surely be left behind or have been devastated because you left too early or more likely will have taken the MARK because you love this present world system so so much.

[Foster Zygote]

Daniel was given it in words, I just put it on a timeline so that it might be easier to understand.

But still most don;t take the time to comprehend its simple mathematical and logical conclusions and the verses that co-relate with the events. Most are lazy and just complain and make snide remarks, but true skeptics do the research and ask good questions as well as asking the Lord

I'm curious to know if your predictions would still be valid if you bothered to correct the many computational errors in your calculations.

[Paulhoff]

You poor deluded soul, you try to count but absolutely refuse to read the verses. Poor deluded soul that is ignorant by choice...or as the GOOD BOOK states, willingly ignorant.
There is no soul to delude.

And you my friend are the ignorant one.

Please explain E=MC2....

Paul

:) :) :)

And what three properties of electricity that are used in electrical circuits?

[Hokulele]

There is a time and a season for everything.


The Byrds! Everybody now:

"Turn turn turn"

You can start walking now Hokulele, but I and we shall wait for the timeline to be fulfilled til we are suppose to meet and gather, and THEN exodus as one.


No thank you. Your timeline was wrong before, this one probably isn't any better.

You will surely be left behind or have been devastated because you left too early or more likely will have taken the MARK because you love this present world system so so much.


You know nothing about me and how I choose what actions to take. You also know nothing about the "present world system".

Define entropy.

See? You haven't even managed to define this simple term. Please use math in your definition, I think we could all use the laugh.

[bruto]

There is a time and a season for everything. You can start walking now Hokulele, but I and we shall wait for the timeline to be fulfilled til we are suppose to meet and gather, and THEN exodus as one.

You will surely be left behind or have been devastated because you left too early or more likely will have taken the MARK because you love this present world system so so much.

If the option is to go with you and your lot or be left behind, then at the risk of repeating myself, I humbly decline. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2457399&postcount=352)

[Foster Zygote]

If the option is to go with you and your lot or be left behind, then at the risk of repeating myself, I humbly decline. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2457399&postcount=352)

It's worth repeating:

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Mark Twain

[Macoy]

The others [verses] from the New Testament because both Testaments state the same thing, there will be a SECOND EXODUS.


You're leaving? i'll count you down:

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...22680...er...

[Paulhoff]

Come on DJJ, what are the three properties of electricity that are used in electrical circuits.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Glen.Nogami]

You poor deluded soul, you try to count but absolutely refuse to read the verses. Poor deluded soul that is ignorant by choice...or as the GOOD BOOK states, willingly ignorant.

So, by "Try to count" are you arguing that he, in fact, miscounted and that there are indeed seven in that list? Because there aren't. I tried to count, too, with what I hope was a degree of success. Also, please expound on the difference between "Ignorant by choice" and "Willingly ignorant."

Also of note, there are lots of good books.

[bruto]

So, by "Try to count" are you arguing that he, in fact, miscounted and that there are indeed seven in that list? Because there aren't. I tried to count, too, with what I hope was a degree of success. Also, please expound on the difference between "Ignorant by choice" and "Willingly ignorant."

Also of note, there are lots of good books.

No, as usual, Mr. Jordan, when caught out, makes it appear that we're the lazy ones for not doing his work for him. He's apparently saying that we should have guessed that when he said "seven" he meant "seven Old Testament citations," rather than the 13 altogether, despite not having made that distinction in the original post. And of course, by "about seven," he meant eight, which is how many there actually are. That's about as close to accuracy as you can expect here.

[Foster Zygote]

And of course, by "about seven," he meant eight, which is how many there actually are.

:D

[Cosmo]

This thread needs more cowbell!

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[SimonD]

This thread needs more cowbell!

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9832/cowbelluc9.jpg

Get funka...

[Wheezebucket]

Mind you, I had already given up my career, my inheritance and been a missionary for 13 years before the Lord showed me these things so it could definitely take a little more than just study study study... insights and inspiration are needed...other wise we have eyes to see and see NOT.

So, uh...doesn't this pretty much answer how he got to where he is? The actual *work* wasn't getting him there, so he had some "insights" (apparently from God), and he was able to skip the 'show your work' portion and go right to the meat. Now if only we could ALL do that, eh?

I've been working on this Sudoku for like 2 hours - where are you lord?!

[bruto]

So, uh...doesn't this pretty much answer how he got to where he is? The actual *work* wasn't getting him there, so he had some "insights" (apparently from God), and he was able to skip the 'show your work' portion and go right to the meat. Now if only we could ALL do that, eh?

I've been working on this Sudoku for like 2 hours - where are you lord?!God fills all sudokus by his impeccable, impervious mystical logic:

6264

[Glen.Nogami]

You know, bruto, I was looking at that sudoku and it came to me-

234+432=

Now wait for it, this'll blow your mind.

666. That's right, the number of the beast can be added to.

[jsfisher]

You know, bruto, I was looking at that sudoku and it came to me-

234+432=

Now wait for it, this'll blow your mind.

666. That's right, the number of the beast can be added to.

That has been brought up a couple of times. For some reason, Davidjayjordan didn't see the same humor in it as the rest of us. Go figure.

[Glen.Nogami]

That has been brought up a couple of times. For some reason, Davidjayjordan didn't see the same humor in it as the rest of us. Go figure.

Who knows.

ET Remove: Iran war gloating. That belongs in the other ridiculous troll thread. My bad.

[Davidjayjordan]

[quote=Paulhoff;2483909]There is no soul to delude.

And you my friend are the ignorant one.

Please explain E=MC2....

Paul

:) :) :)

[/quot

Thanks for asking Paul, I thought you never would..

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FleshandSpiritEquation.html


Flesh and Spirit Equation

Because creation came from the unfolding of the Lord's Name allow me to state the basic equation from Einstein that absolutely correlates the Spirit World with the Physical World…..and Religion with Science. You all probably know it but may not realize its implications……..

It's Einsteins or should I say it's the Lord's Equation E=mc2

In other words energy and mass are the same thing in different forms. Energy can form mass by I accelerating it at the square of light speed. For remember Light speed is the boundary of time, meaning beyond that speed (which has now been proven scientifically to be possible)you are beyond time and into the spirit world where time no longer exists (Rev 22). But not any energy can do this but organized, totally rational energy that that we all know as God, or more appropriately, as the Creator, very distinct and very real.

All the seen world comes from the unseen world. What we see is only 1 octace of the elctromagnetic field when there is a total spectrum of 70 octaves. The unseen creates the seen. And in this case, the Lord who is normally unseen by us, can and has created all the matter around us, whether in our Solar System or in all the Universe. How, by accelerating energy at light speed squared.

This God CREATES matter, and this equation shows the link between the two, between the spiritual and the physical. For even in nuclear physics sub-atomic particles (or very small pieces of matter) literally go into the electrical or spiritual world via golden section spirals (see Golden Section class). And so inversely the same thing is known to happen when matter is created from the spiritual world. The Lord's (golden section) whirlwind spirals matter into existence.

O.K. that's the physics, of the real spiritual world and its connection to the real physical world, because below the speed of light, below this boundary set up by the Lord, our physical world exists. Why, because electrons that surround our atoms that compose our molecules which make up our bodies, don't travel faster than the speed of light. They travel close to the speed of light, which means out atoms exist in the physical demension. For unless we and are electrons are propelled beyond the speed of light, (Which has been proven possible now by science at phi ratios grater than the speed of light) we can not enter into the spiritual demension where time no longer exists. And again this can only be done by the Lord, our Creator.

These are the two coexistent worlds that Einstein proved mathematically exist simultaneously. There is a link between the physical and the spiritual. It is not myths or dreams or incantations of shamans or trumped up religion but down to earth mathematics and real equations and its all provable.... And the only bridge between the two is Jesus who said "He was the Way, the Truth, and the Life and Light."


In His Service (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Jesus.html)

Jay


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[Hokulele]

It's Einsteins or should I say it's the Lord's Equation E=mc2

In other words energy and mass are the same thing in different forms. Energy can form mass by I accelerating it at the square of light speed. For remember Light speed is the boundary of time, meaning beyond that speed (which has now been proven scientifically to be possible)you are beyond time and into the spirit world where time no longer exists (Rev 22). But not any energy can do this but organized, totally rational energy that that we all know as God, or more appropriately, as the Creator, very distinct and very real.


That is even wronger than wrong.

[Paulhoff]

It's Einsteins or should I say it's the Lord's Equation E=mc2
If it wasn't for your lying you would have nothing to say, and still with all your writing haven’t shown that you know anything about E=MC2. And Einstein did not believe in any so-called god created by humankind.

DJJ you are nothing but a false prophet, a false skeptic, and a liar, your life is built on lies and your eyes are closed to the true wonders of the universe. You only take the easy way out, you don’t do any real research because that would destroy you small little world that makes you the center of it, that is all you are interested is in yourself and you feel the truth would take that away from you.

Paul

:) :) :)

[RandFan]

...we can not enter into the spiritual demension where time no longer exists. If there is no time then nothing can happen. No thoughts, no intention, no creation of worlds, no communicating with prophets, nothing. This sounds like a good place to find your god.

[Glen.Nogami]

beyond that speed (which has now been proven scientifically to be possible)

Dead wrong, among many, many other things. The first paragraph or so made me laugh, though. Thanks.

[Foster Zygote]

I was wondering if Djj would get to the point of "explaining" Einstein to us. Lifegazer would be proud. Or would he get upset that Djj's misrepresentation of Einstein's work doesn't match his own misrepresentations?

[Björn Toulouse]

Do remember that the dates are determined by the FIRST event... the signing of the Covenant, by ten nations.

That's the basic, that's the START, stated by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus and John the Revelator..


Well, not necessarily. And do you know why i suppose this?

Why, from DJJ himself.

This is from a Delphi Forum that i found on his website, a posting from only 15 months ago:



On January 25th, 2006, the Palestinians who were thrown out of their land, elected the 'Hamas' as their political party of choice. And now the governments of the world who are using terrorists tactics around the world are saying that 'Hamas' is a terrorist group. And so surely, this friction between a duly elected government with other violent countries will cause more violence in the Mid East. And when America/Israel then violently attack the Muslim country of Iran on the pretext of stopping violence...and the further spread of nuclear weapons which both these allied countries already have. Then again, more Muslim countries will enter the fray as well as Russia bringing the World close to World WAR THREE. So maybe we can now use January 25th, 2006 as a starting date to the End Time beginning, as dictated and prophesied by Daniel the Prophet. if the numbers and the dates work out and then are confirmed with the events.


The circumstance that got DJJ to salivate about the end of the world that time was a Palestinian event. He rambles on about what will happen next.



For Daniel, stated exactly and precisely that seven years would pass from the signing of a military, political, religious Covenant to the time when the Messiah would return.


OK, everybody remember that one from this thread and others? Maybe not quite so strictly....



But all the signs of the stars, indicate that the Lord's Coming would have been on Dec.21, 2012 which is less than seven solar years away.


Uh-oh....we had been led to believe all this time that that was the date that the Anti-Christ will take over and JC isn't scheduled to return until 2016. (Now this is just 15 months ago that this was posted by DJJ).



So let's use 1260 days (42 months from Revelation 11, 12 as half the seven years, for that is the duration of the Great tribulation which starts in the middle of the LAST SEVEN YEARS. Hense we are using the lunar Jewish calendar as seven years. For with the Jewish calendar, there are 12 months in a year with months being 30 days each. Seven years equaling 7 x 12 x 30 = 2520 days. So let's do the math and check the future calendars, and it means with a starting date of January 25, 2006, YES, in fact 2520 days later does bring us to December 21, 2012. AMAZING !!


Had to post a little of the DJJ convenient math stuff here.



So with January 25th 2006 as a starting date, add 1260 days to get to the middle point of the Last 7 Years, and you come up with July 8th 2009, as the date for us to obey the Lord and flee into the wilderness.


But remember now, the flock will flee on Dec. 21, 2012 and not on the date above. Man, that store of food is gonna spoil!



I was expecting an earlier date than this previously, but by the midst of the Last 7 Years in the middle of this whole time frame til the End, the A.C. has to destroy three nuclear powers before heading to Jerusalem to claim his Capital and Throne in the 3rd Temple. But seeing he does have to resurrect himself, paralleling Jesus' Resurrrection, at Easter, then this timing does fit in, as Easter in 2009 is on April 12th, almost two months before July 8th.


And such it is for that Heavenly Harmony of coincidences. According to the "current" DJJ, the AC will resurrect around Christmas, the traditional JC birthday, not when he was supposedly crucified, although that is the better scenario, you know, being offed and then 3 days later like the Terminator (I'll be back) he pops up again.


And it does take time for the A.C. after his healing from the deadly wound...



i'm sure it does, anybody that has been killed by a head wound needs a little time to recover. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1289045f9857165b72.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4597)

The rest of it is really yadda-yadda-yadda stuff, but it includes this gem:



Why because the Jewish priesthood won't start sacrificing on the Temple Mount until, a military religious PEACE has been agreed upon. So the start of the Last 7 years does not have to be the exact date when the Peace Covenant was signed by ten world powers, but when the escalation began that caused the COVENANT to be signed.



Do you see David? This is nothing but prophecy by convenience. You are quite willing to alter even your own interpretations of prophecy to fit current events and STILL THEY DO NOT COME TO PASS!!

Do you understand now why everyone here and everyone on any board you have ever visited feels the same about your bogus prognostications?

You have absolutely no credibilty even from your own website.

If there was a god and i was that god, you would have been terminated for incompetence as "Prophet" a long time ago.

So go away - go to some looney CT board where you might find some primitive kindred spirits. You are wasting your god's valuable and shrinking time here. You have delivered your message, it has been dissected, and now you have permission to leave.

i would have advised you as a performer to go out on a high note, but, unfortunately, you never had one.

[Foster Zygote]

Well, not necessarily. And do you know why i suppose this?

Why, from DJJ himself.

This is from a Delphi Forum that i found on his website, a posting from only 15 months ago:





The circumstance that got DJJ to salivate about the end of the world that time was a Palestinian event. He rambles on about what will happen next.





OK, everybody remember that one from this thread and others? Maybe not quite so strictly....






Uh-oh....we had been led to believe all this time that that was the date that the Anti-Christ will take over and JC isn't scheduled to return until 2016. (Now this is just 15 months ago that this was posted by DJJ).






Had to post a little of the DJJ convenient math stuff here.






But remember now, the flock will flee on Dec. 21, 2012 and not on the date above. Man, that store of food is gonna spoil!






And such it is for that Heavenly Harmony of coincidences. According to the "current" DJJ, the AC will resurrect around Christmas, the traditional JC birthday, not when he was supposedly crucified, although that is the better scenario, you know, being offed and then 3 days later like the Terminator (I'll be back) he pops up again.






i'm sure it does, anybody that has been killed by a head wound needs a little time to recover. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1289045f9857165b72.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4597)

The rest of it is really yadda-yadda-yadda stuff, but it includes this gem:






Do you see David? This is nothing but prophecy by convenience. You are quite willing to alter even your own interpretations of prophecy to fit current events and STILL THEY DO NOT COME TO PASS!!

Do you understand now why everyone here and everyone on any board you have ever visited feels the same about your bogus prognostications?

You have absolutely no credibilty even from your own website.

If there was a god and i was that god, you would have been terminated for incompetence as "Prophet" a long time ago.

So go away - go to some looney CT board where you might find some primitive kindred spirits. You are wasting your god's valuable and shrinking time here. You have delivered your message, it has been dissected, and now you have permission to leave.

i would have advised you as a performer to go out on a high note, but, unfortunately, you never had one.

Interesting. I also noted, just on the side that when Djj wrote 'Hamas' he had no trouble using the apostrophe key. So his "injury" must have happened within the last 15 months.:rolleyes:

[jsfisher]

So, Davidjayjordan, my boy,

We continue to encounter new examples of your prophecies that have come up lacking. Perhaps these paint an unfair picture, so can you provide any instance, any instance at all, where a past prophecy of yours has come true?

Admittedly, there is that one strike and you're false definition you provided, but some of us here might be persuaded to apply a more forgiving definition for false prophet. So, do you have any positive prophetic outcomes?