Prophecy Timeline Challenge [Archive]

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 08:54 AM

False skeptics know nothing and search for no answers and are at the mercy of every whim that their goverment and their religious institutions throws at them, whether it be their governments, military, econimic or educational institutions.

And they definitely know NOT the future, and don't want to think about it or the consequences of their lives or lifestyles.

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Isa 41:21 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=21&version=kjv#21)¶Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/22.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=KJV#22)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=KJV#22) http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=KJV#22)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/blank1_1.gif

Isa 41:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=kjv#22)Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/23.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23) http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/d9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23)

Isa 41:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=kjv#23)Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/24.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/d9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)

Isa 41:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of NOUGHT: an abomination is he that chooseth you.

So as the Lord said to Isaiah, come on athiests, and false skeptics, produce your claims to knowing something. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you believe in NOTHING and stand for NOTHING and back up NOTHING except what your governments tell you to believe.

But at least one of you must know something, and be able to stand behind something. Answer the question, produce your CAUSE, your strong REASONS, some kind of LOGIC, some kind of principle, some kind of TRUTH.
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Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 08:57 AM

Before posting mathematical timelines of the Future..... It has to be first established that the false skeptics know not the future (nor... even current events) So we shall start with this challenge for them... put up or shut up....

False skeptics know nothing and search for no answers and are at the mercy of every whim that their goverment and their religious institutions throws at them, whether it be their governments, military, econimic or educational institutions.

And they definitely know NOT the future, and don't want to think about it or the consequences of their lives or lifestyles.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/21.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=21&version=KJV#21)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=21&version=KJV#21)
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Isa 41:21 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=21&version=kjv#21)¶Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/22.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=KJV#22)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=KJV#22) http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=KJV#22)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/blank1_1.gif

Isa 41:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=22&version=kjv#22)Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/23.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23) http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/d9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=KJV#23)

Isa 41:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=23&version=kjv#23)Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/41/24.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i_blank9.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/d9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=KJV#24)

Isa 41:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of NOUGHT: an abomination is he that chooseth you.

So as the Lord said to Isaiah, come on athiests, and false skeptics, produce your claims to knowing something. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you believe in NOTHING and stand for NOTHING and back up NOTHING except what your governments tell you to believe.

But at least one of you must know something, and be able to stand behind something. Answer the question, produce your CAUSE, your strong REASONS, some kind of LOGIC, some kind of principle, some kind of TRUTH.
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Dave1001

24th February 2007, 09:01 AM

The woman in your homepage pic is a hottie. Probably shows the value of a man having strong frame (of whatever type) in creating a sense of attraction in a woman.

Tricky

24th February 2007, 09:02 AM

Gosh, is it mushroom season already?

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:14 AM

The woman in your homepage pic is a hottie. Probably shows the value of a man having strong frame (of whatever type) in creating a sense of attraction in a woman.

Thanks Dave, she's my wife... and she is a hottie

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan//Abouttheauthor.html

And you talk about a strong frame, her fiber and fire comes from personal experiences.

http://www.geocities.com/goddess_trixie2000/Experiences.html

But she isn't merciful and sweet and forgiving like me to the vile and foolish. I tolerate people much much more than she. But be respectful and she is a dream come true.

Shes my half that makes me whole, and vice versa... for we are ONE.... and thanks for noticing her beauty and attraction.

But others do be warned, she does have the ability to *****, thats a different thread, so don't get off topic except to compliment her if you must.

Now back to the Challenge of Mathematical Timelines...

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:17 AM

wollery

24th February 2007, 09:24 AM

Dear respondants.... Do notice and read and reread what Dave10001 has posted as his signature...

I'm here to discuss ideas, not to get personal. I won't criticize you personally, please don't criticize me personally. I won't direct ad hominems at you, please don't direct ad hominems at me. I won't attack you or put you down, please don't attack me or put me down. Thanks.

Excellent excellent signature, Dave, but HERE such is usually not the case, but it is refreshing to know that some with respect are present HERE. Thanks

False skeptics know nothing and search for no answers and are at the mercy of every whim that their goverment and their religious institutions throws at them, whether it be their governments, military, econimic or educational institutions.

And they definitely know NOT the future, and don't want to think about it or the consequences of their lives or lifestyles.

*snip*

You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you believe in NOTHING and stand for NOTHING and back up NOTHING except what your governments tell you to believe.

But at least one of you must know something, and be able to stand behind something. Answer the question, produce your CAUSE, your strong REASONS, some kind of LOGIC, some kind of principle, some kind of TRUTH.
__________________Hmmmm. Wasn't there something in the bible about motes and logs?

Math Maniac

24th February 2007, 09:29 AM

My "false skeptical" prediction: this thread's going nowhere!

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:39 AM

My "false skeptical" prediction: this thread's going nowhere!

Thanks Math Maniac, being the first false skeptic to decalre that he's going nowhere on this thread, and that you don;t know the future...and can not claim to know anything about it.

The Lord was right, you have failed His Challenge. But your honesty in admitting it, can be a FIRST STEP. Thanks for your admission and honesty, but we shall get into His mathematical timelines, after a few more brave false skeptics admit they know nothing about the future.

Molinaro

24th February 2007, 09:44 AM

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:47 AM

Hmmmm. Wasn't there something in the bible about motes and logs?

Wolley, seeing you are at least trying to post scriptures about truths rather than recipes, let me refresh your memory with an easy on line concordance.... similiar to Google or Wiki, and yet it gives accuracy if you know a word or two...

Just type log and moat in the space provided in Phrase Search / Concordance at ....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/

And then you will get a read out.... of possibilities

Your word search of the word mote rather than motes would have looked like this...

http://blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?book=Gen&chapter=1&verse=1&show_strongs=no&exact=0&word=mote&page=1

Discussing this way, we can also discuss prophecy more accurately..

Just trying to be a help, so you don;t resort to posting recipes.. You're welcome

Myriad

24th February 2007, 09:52 AM

Let's start with this little bit of mathematics, shall we?

432, reversed (just as your teachings are false and backward), is 234.

432
+234
-----
666
I see now where you want the future to go, deceiver. In fact I've read all about it, in a book you helped inspire. (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=13&version=31)

And no wonder you're so fond of the "wisdom" of the ancient Egyptians and Greeks. Who held authority over the earth in those times, before the birth of Christ? It all becomes clear.

Congratulations on fooling so many of us for so long. But you've had plenty of practice, after all, haven't you?

Respectfully (yes, you do have my due respect for what you once were and what you are, though you will not deceive me again in your current guise),
Myriad

Molinaro

24th February 2007, 09:55 AM

But at least one of you must know something, and be able to stand behind something. Answer the question, produce your CAUSE, your strong REASONS, some kind of LOGIC, some kind of principle, some kind of TRUTH.
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I do! I do! I do!

Here is what I believe and why:

- The choice to do good or evil is a choice all (healthy/sane) individuals can make.

- Deciding what is good or evil can be determined by examining history. We can look at choices that have been made in the past by others, and look at the consequences of those choices and determine if the right choice was made. We all have the ability to make that critical analysis of the past and use it to guide our future choices.

- We all are indendantly able to make that kind of backwards looking analysis to reach our own conclusions, and absolute truth will be evident to anyone who looks for it. There is no need to be told the truth by a government or other such entity (ie religion).

- The bits of knowlege collectively known as science is only considered to be a part of science if it is independantly veryfiable and uniquely definable. This allows anyone to recreate scientific discoveries so as to be able to confirm their validity.

- Facts stated without any speicification of their derrivation do not allow for them to be independantly verified and hence should not be considered as facts.

Those are some examples of my truths, and my principles. Seems like I believe in a bit more than the nothing you claim. Oh and where are the facts to back up that assertion of yours anyway?

Terry

24th February 2007, 10:02 AM

I know that the distance to the moon can be independently verified by a reasonably determined amateur. See moonbounce.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 10:04 AM

Gosh, is it mushroom season already?

Yea, its probably the only way you have the courage to post what you do.

But dry out and then try to find some reason, logic or CAUSE about the future rather than your mushrooming void, and then we may be able to communicate to some degree. But its up to you.

Apathia

24th February 2007, 10:06 AM

Mathematical Timeline for The Future?

Mumatuthutchemumatuticockalul Tutimutelululinune Fudorur Tuthashe Fufututuruge!

Gravy

24th February 2007, 10:09 AM

This plane has funny "wings."

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045e070d59a782.jpg

Terry

24th February 2007, 10:10 AM

magnus effect :)

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 10:12 AM

David could you please site at least one post anywhere in this forum that indicates to you that people here "back up NOTHING except what your governments tell you to believe."

I'm quite certain that absolutely nothing I know about science, math, or basic logic for that matter comes from any government.

I would be very interested in knowing why you think that it does, and what evidence leads you to that conclusion.

That's really an over statement by me Molinaro, as LOGIC and set theory states that ALL is different than the Majority. So let me say that the vast majority believe in nothing and stand behind only what the government spoon feds them. This can literally be seen on the vast majority of posts on the Conspiracy Board. And was that an eye opener to me....

For skepticism can be honourable if people are truly looking for answers, but for people to reamin without any answers there whole lifes and be constantly demanding more and more proofs when more than sufficient proofs are there is ludicrous. These are therefore easily deemed false skeptics and give skepticism a BAD NAME.

As seen HERE, the Lord challenges people about the truths they apparently have, as they can NOT bring up CAUSES and truths about the future.... and usually not even the present...

But do go there to teh Conspiracy Board and read for yourself Mol...

Its blatantly obvious, as generally speaking a general statement that the vast majority of posters HERE swallow the half truths and lies of the government.

But prophecy is DIFFERENT, it unciovers truths about what has happenned is happenning and will be happenning.

So bring forth your cause and reasoning, Mol.

And if you have none, then you may be a little humbler, and may consider other options. The choice is yours.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 10:15 AM

I do! I do! I do!

Here is what I believe and why:

- The choice to do good or evil is a choice all (healthy/sane) individuals can make.

- Deciding what is good or evil can be determined by examining history. We can look at choices that have been made in the past by others, and look at the consequences of those choices and determine if the right choice was made. We all have the ability to make that critical analysis of the past and use it to guide our future choices.

- We all are indendantly able to make that kind of backwards looking analysis to reach our own conclusions, and absolute truth will be evident to anyone who looks for it. There is no need to be told the truth by a government or other such entity (ie religion).

- The bits of knowlege collectively known as science is only considered to be a part of science if it is independantly veryfiable and uniquely definable. This allows anyone to recreate scientific discoveries so as to be able to confirm their validity.

- Facts stated without any speicification of their derrivation do not allow for them to be independantly verified and hence should not be considered as facts.

Those are some examples of my truths, and my principles. Seems like I believe in a bit more than the nothing you claim. Oh and where are the facts to back up that assertion of yours anyway?

Good start Mol.... my assertions are based on the Conspiracy Board as a whole, my summation is on the thread that I started false skeptics versus true skeptics.

But this thread is about you posting your CAUSE about futre events.

And do forgive the foolish, for as I stated the vast majority HERE are foolish... and they try to stop real discussions because they are fearful of connections as they want to believe and stay believing in NOTHING.

Molinaro

24th February 2007, 10:32 AM

To the mod.. you just had to move this thread while I was typing out my reply.. which of course resulted in the forum eating my post.

Thanks.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 10:42 AM

The prophecy concerning the inbreding of dogs and their intelligence is allowed on SCIENCE Board but not the prophecy of the human race..... This gives us a clue about the slant of this board and its intelligence..

Please prove this exact timeline of the future wrong using math .... basically the additions of days and years to show that my conclusions math wise are wrong.

I can only get to within three or four days accuracy. So if you can via math, show I made a mistake somewhere, it would be greatly appreciated.

And do remember your spirituaility or lack of it, is not a topic for discussion on this SCIENCE and Math thread.

SEE Deleted website until after the false skeptics realise they have no power to see the future nor understand the intelligences of dog inbreeding in the future

Gord_in_Toronto

24th February 2007, 10:51 AM

Walrus?

Hokulele

24th February 2007, 10:54 AM

Thanks Dave, she's my wife... and she is a hottie

You do realize the bible tells you not to marry, right?

"But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife.

There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.

So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better."

1 Cor. 7:32-34, 38

jsfisher

24th February 2007, 11:00 AM

Please prove this exact timeline of the future wrong using math .... basically the additions of days and years to show that my conclusions math wise are wrong.
What's the point?

Your underlying assumptions that led to to this time line are what should be exposed and discussed. If you miscounted days on a calendar, that is easily fixed, but if your logic and reasoning is suspect, that is an entirely different matter.

So, what specific "input" drove the creation of that time line? (And please, just say what you have to say without any URLs or questionable relevance.)

Myriad

24th February 2007, 11:31 AM

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 12:06 PM

You do realize the bible tells you not to marry, right?

"But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife.

There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.

So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better."

1 Cor. 7:32-34, 38

But the lord said, Two are better than ONE, so you better believe Jesus rather than Paul, as he was patriarchial, and against women and sex. But this thread is on the future, not Paul or marriage

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 12:11 PM

I see you have no answer for my posts, deceiver.

Do they make your eyes burn? Make you homesick, perhaps? (You know for a fact the earth is hollow, don't you?)

It doesn't matter. Anyone can see this prophecy timeline.

YOU told us that the number 432 has special "divine" significance. (You like to drop your little clues, it's all a game to you, isn't it?)

YOU told us that numbers reveal the design. (But whose? Yours, of course.)

So here's what the numbers reveal:

432 --> (reverse = lies) --> 234

432 + 234 = 666

You don't have to say a thing, and it doesn't matter if you do or not, or what you say. You've been caught out.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Respectfully Myriad, uit must be difficult for you to honestly end your POST, with respectfully, when within you cvalled me a deciver/ For as mentioned, its your turn FIRST to state your prophecy timeline, then I shall post MINE. if you don't have one, be honest and say so.

As for 432, many other sites think 432 is prophetic, but I haven;t verified that yet.

432
http://web.archive.org/web/20021225035527/www.wordmax.com/gallery432/432meas.htm

Universal Dance
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/Unidance.html

Scale of Time
http://members.aol.com/johnkeely/scale.html
Cycle of Time Number 432
http://www.greatdreams.com/432.htm
Creation geometries (CHRISTIAN)
http://homepage.virgin.net/vernon.jenkins/page_10.htm
Octave Tuning
http://www.earthmatrix.com/piano/octave.htm
Ancient Geomatrix
http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm
Secrets of Number 9
http://www.mythsdreamssymbols.com/nine.html
432 Page
http://www.mtvdance.com/philoscience/432page.html
432

Hokulele

24th February 2007, 12:13 PM

But the lord said, Two are better than ONE, so you better believe Jesus rather than Paul, as he was patriarchial, and against women and sex. But this thread is on the future, not Paul or marriage

So you are saying parts of the bible are wrong?

Dave1001

24th February 2007, 12:18 PM

David, what role do you think empiricism and the scientific method play in your thoughts on this "prophecy timeline challenge"?

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 12:23 PM

Hok, Paul wasn't always in the Spirit, even though a great missionary. But if you want to talk about this start a NEW THREAD.

Its rather revealing and can help anyone truly dioscover principles rather than opinions.

Hokulele

24th February 2007, 12:24 PM

cyborg

24th February 2007, 12:26 PM

Respectfully Myriad, uit must be difficult for you to honestly end your POST, with respectfully, when within you cvalled me a deciver/ For as mentioned, its your turn FIRST to state your prophecy timeline, then I shall post MINE. if you don't have one, be honest and say so.

Myriad has elegantly revealed your evil.

You have been found out.

Be gone foul incarnation of Satan.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 12:30 PM

David, what role do you think empiricism and the scientific method play in your thoughts on this "prophecy timeline challenge"?

Scientific method is as Christian as Christianity gets... Try and see, Taste and see, IF you do this, THEN,...IF anyman forsakes this THEN,..... Cause and effect.. IF any man DO His WILL, he will know of the doctrine whether I speak of myself or.....

You have to usually have direct personal experience to understand prophecy, or SEE the prophecies of the past fulfulled before you put much credance in the present or the future.

We can get into that sooon, but first let's see what others have to say about their personal predictioons of the future. if they have none, then mine can be a start for discussions... knwoing that no others have anuything comparable.

So first we do the Lord's Prophecy Challenge..

OH what the heck ,,,here's one for ya... personnally

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MessianicPropheciesfulfilledbyJesus.html

But lets reserve discussion on that for later, to allow the CHALLENGE to do forward..

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 12:32 PM

Myriad has elegantly revealed your evil.

You have been found out.

Be gone foul incarnation of Satan.

SEE how the religionists get very spiritual in their spirit when attacking me, and yet they say they aren't churchy and religious.

Thanks for the confirmation Cyborg,

cyborg

24th February 2007, 12:37 PM

SEE how the religionists get very spiritual in their spirit when attacking me, and yet they say they aren't churchy and religious.

Man, you are truly an idiot aren't you?

Oh well, one more fantasy isn't going to make much of a difference for you so I might as well feed it...

I will hear no more of your words forked-tongued one. You speak of the Lord yet you serve a different master. You invoke the evil of mathematics, you try to see the face of the Lord through human means? BLASPHEMY! Your arrogance is beyond compare - the Lord GIVES, he does not allow us to TAKE. You would see the face of God? Then you will die an eternal death suitable for your lack of humility.

Myriad

24th February 2007, 12:55 PM

Respectfully Myriad, uit must be difficult for you to honestly end your POST, with respectfully, when within you cvalled me a deciver/

Not at all. I respect you just as anyone who is not a fool would respect a fire, a plague, or a poisonous serpent. I give you your due as a skilled and dangerous deceiver.

For as mentioned, its your turn FIRST to state your prophecy timeline, then I shall post MINE. if you don't have one, be honest and say so.

I don't have a prophecy timeline, and I'm not interested in yours. I am not a false prophet, and you are not a true one.

As for 432, many other sites think 432 is prophetic, but I haven;t verified that yet.

I'm sure they do.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Matthew 24:10-11

What about 432 + 234, or 666? Is that prophetic?

Respectfully,
Myriad

This Guy

24th February 2007, 12:57 PM

Terry

24th February 2007, 01:19 PM

False skeptics know nothing and search for no answers and are at the mercy of every whim that their goverment and their religious institutions throws at them, whether it be their governments, military, econimic or educational institutions.

in light of this, I'm interested to hear your reaction to the wiki link I posted (this: moonbounce) which shows how a slightly determined amateur could directly determine the distance to the moon. As you may recall, the distance to the moon has been the subject of some discussions between us previously.

Any comment, please?

Math Maniac

24th February 2007, 01:19 PM

slingblade

24th February 2007, 03:16 PM

Wow. Just wow.

Foster Zygote

24th February 2007, 07:23 PM

Wow. Just wow.

Just wait. You might want to go make some popcorn.

prewitt81

24th February 2007, 07:32 PM

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 07:45 PM

OK, so the parts of the bible written by Paul are wrong. Got it.

Start a NEW thread and we can make discuss the truths of what the Word of God is, and what it isn't, for in everything discernment is needed. But you have to decide, others can;t decide for you.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WhatisScripture.html

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 07:51 PM

What's the point?

Your underlying assumptions that led to to this time line are what should be exposed and discussed. If you miscounted days on a calendar, that is easily fixed, but if your logic and reasoning is suspect, that is an entirely different matter.

So, what specific "input" drove the creation of that time line? (And please, just say what you have to say without any URLs or questionable relevance.)

My hyperlinks are ONLY used as an exact reference to better explain what I have written, it is for serious researchers not for the lasy and those that have not time to study.

Many false skeptics love to waste time, I prefer NOT to, and so put possible truths on-line ...as the Lord says Redeem the time, and there has to be some true researchers HERE, that are not afraid of the future, and be honest that there are no gods among the heathen, that know the future.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 07:53 PM

cyborg

24th February 2007, 08:06 PM

I claim that in the future, very soon in the future, this text will be electronically transmitted to a database and stored for an indefinite period.

WORSHIP ME FOOL.

Terry

24th February 2007, 08:12 PM

So, as we can see, there are no gods among the athiests. No athiest or false skeptic can claim to be knowledgeable about the future. They can NOT face the Lord's CHALLENGE. They are null and void and speechless !!

At least we know how far away the moon is. And how to verify this fact for ourselves.

moonbounce

Hokulele

24th February 2007, 08:15 PM

At least we know how far away the moon is. And how to verify this fact for ourselves.

moonbounce

And based on this and other empirical evidence, I can determine exactly where the moon will be tonight at 8:55:34 pm HST. See, I can predict the future! Woo hoo!

Foster Zygote

24th February 2007, 08:16 PM

My hyperlinks are ONLY used as an exact reference...

Just not as an exact reference for the distance to the moon.

Foster Zygote

24th February 2007, 08:18 PM

Start a NEW thread and we can make discuss the truths of what the Word of God is, and what it isn't, for in everything discernment is needed. But you have to decide, others can;t decide for you.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WhatisScripture.html

I looks as though he has decided. And he didn;t let you decide for him.

Taffer

24th February 2007, 08:58 PM

I know that the distance to the moon can be independently verified by a reasonably determined amateur. See moonbounce.

Please respond to this post, DJJ.

Taffer

24th February 2007, 09:00 PM

DJJ. You have yet to ever provide any scientific evidence for anything you have ever said. Do you care to change this?

Taffer

24th February 2007, 09:03 PM

Thanks Math Maniac, being the first false skeptic to decalre that he's going nowhere on this thread, and that you don;t know the future...and can not claim to know anything about it.

The Lord was right, you have failed His Challenge. But your honesty in admitting it, can be a FIRST STEP. Thanks for your admission and honesty, but we shall get into His mathematical timelines, after a few more brave false skeptics admit they know nothing about the future.

He declared no such thing. You obviously didn't understand his post. Although, that's not surprising, since you've never shown any indication that you ever read nor understand the posts of others. You appear to be here only to preach. You don't back up your statements with scientific evidence, you only link to your own website. I have kept myself from going there because I do not like fallacy. And I predict there will be many. Do you like logical fallacy, DJJ? Do you like to make things up? Because it sure seems like it.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:30 PM

I see you've made your predictions Davidjayjordan!

I look forward to seeing your excuse in July of 2016 :)

As for the rest of your ramblings, I give up. Guess sin has clouded my understanding, because it all sounds like poop to me.

Yea, you don;t look that wise THIS GUY, and you may be sitting on your poop.

But it does take balls to make predictions, but then again real prophecy is just a dislike for this world and its lack of love and lack of principles. For if even if you know this, that is almost enough to help you make it through THIS GUY..

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/PeaceandSafetyFalseProphets.html

The false prophets usually tell you to just relax and do nothing and believe governments and their lies..... and yet their citizens call us false prophets... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Weshallbecalleddevils.html

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:33 PM

He declared no such thing. You obviously didn't understand his post. Although, that's not surprising, since you've never shown any indication that you ever read nor understand the posts of others. You appear to be here only to preach. You don't back up your statements with scientific evidence, you only link to your own website. I have kept myself from going there because I do not like fallacy. And I predict there will be many. Do you like logical fallacy, DJJ? Do you like to make things up? Because it sure seems like it.

I don't like word gamers and word twisters and do nothing types that sit and deny everything.

I am a teacher, and a Christian missionary, if you don't like it tough. deal with it. And if you don;t have a web site and haven;t connected up any dots, don;t blame me, get busy and discern some truths and then post them on-line rather than your insistant complaining.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:36 PM

DJJ. You have yet to ever provide any scientific evidence for anything you have ever said. Do you care to change this?

See the Science board as Werner Von Braun and NASA agreed with sacred geometry and the Lord's numbers SEE 432 thread .... but that Board doesn't allow mathematical prophecy only the prophecy of dogs inbreeding.

This is the Religious Board, where we are suppsoe to be able to discuss spiritual mathematics and prophecy without you and your continual dribblings and complaints.

Davidjayjordan

24th February 2007, 09:38 PM

You athiests and false skeptics have not come up with one prophecy to show you are gods, and are failing the Lord's CHALLENGE.

Are you in hiding, are you sleeping, or are you just afraid because you know that you know nothing.

:

Psa 2:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

cyborg

24th February 2007, 09:42 PM

I am a god.

You simply could not begin to understand my prophecy. You are far too limited a being Djj. Pathetic really. Your should weep in my awesome presence.

Terry

24th February 2007, 09:55 PM

You athiests and false skeptics have not come up with one prophecy to show you are gods, and are failing the Lord's CHALLENGE.

Are you in hiding, are you sleeping, or are you just afraid because you know that you know nothing.

:

Psa 2:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

I predict there will be a total solar eclipse on the first of august next year, visible from the north polar region and parts of China.

c4ts

24th February 2007, 10:03 PM

What is this, watered down Kabalah? Let's decipher the alphabet soup prophecy!

BenK

24th February 2007, 10:33 PM

Well one thing I know is that fire is hot.

c4ts

24th February 2007, 10:37 PM

Well one thing I know is that fire is hot.

That's what you think.

Cosmo

24th February 2007, 10:44 PM

You athiests and false skeptics have not come up with one prophecy to show you are gods, and are failing the Lord's CHALLENGE.

Are you in hiding, are you sleeping, or are you just afraid because you know that you know nothing.

:

Psa 2:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

What the hell are you talking about?

Taffer

24th February 2007, 11:00 PM

I don't like word gamers and word twisters and do nothing types that sit and deny everything.

You sit and deny all the evidence we provide. What make you right and us wrong?

Oh, I forgot, evidence. Because you've shown a lot of that so far. :rolleyes:

I am a teacher, and a Christian missionary, if you don't like it tough. deal with it. And if you don;t have a web site and haven;t connected up any dots, don;t blame me, get busy and discern some truths and then post them on-line rather than your insistant complaining.

Please realise something, DJJ. Having your own website does not make you automatically right. If you have any evidence for anything, provide it. If not, then all you are doing is asserting things. I can do that too. Shall I have a go?

Odin is the one true god.

Prove me wrong.

:rolleyes:

Hokulele

24th February 2007, 11:03 PM

You athiests and false skeptics have not come up with one prophecy to show you are gods, and are failing the Lord's CHALLENGE.

Are you in hiding, are you sleeping, or are you just afraid because you know that you know nothing.

At least we know how far away the moon is. And how to verify this fact for ourselves.

moonbounce

And based on this and other empirical evidence, I can determine exactly where the moon will be tonight at 8:55:34 pm HST. See, I can predict the future! Woo hoo!

And I went outside tonight, and there it was. In less than an hour, it will be exactly where I had predicted. Amazing. I predicted the future and was correct.

Did you notice Terry predicted an eclipse? I expect he will be correct as well! In fact, I am willing to bet that his prediction is more likely to occur than any of yours.

Taffer

24th February 2007, 11:05 PM

See the Science board as Werner Von Braun and NASA agreed with sacred geometry and the Lord's numbers SEE 432 thread .... but that Board doesn't allow mathematical prophecy only the prophecy of dogs inbreeding.

Do you still insist you are correct about the earth-moon distance? Why, when you have been shown so many times that you are wrong?

How about answering Terry?

I know that the distance to the moon can be independently verified by a reasonably determined amateur. See moonbounce.

This is the Religious Board, where we are suppsoe to be able to discuss spiritual mathematics and prophecy without you and your continual dribblings and complaints.

Firstly, you have no say in where I post. Secondly, you are making scientific claims. You need to provide scientific evidence if you wish to be taken seriously.

How about you actually answer one of my questions? Why should we trust anything the bible says? If you can answer that, perhaps we can further the discussion.

We do not take things on blind faith. We require evidence. That is what being a skeptic is all about. Are you a skeptic, DJJ?

Taffer

24th February 2007, 11:06 PM

You athiests and false skeptics have not come up with one prophecy to show you are gods, and are failing the Lord's CHALLENGE.

Are you in hiding, are you sleeping, or are you just afraid because you know that you know nothing.

:

Psa 2:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

You are an idiot.

wollery

25th February 2007, 04:10 AM

See the Science board as Werner Von Braun and NASA agreed with sacred geometry and the Lord's numbers SEE 432 thread .... but that Board doesn't allow mathematical prophecy only the prophecy of dogs inbreeding.

This is the Religious Board, where we are suppsoe to be able to discuss spiritual mathematics and prophecy without you and your continual dribblings and complaints.Hang on a minute. This is the same NASA (and Werner Von Braun) who you claim are lying about sending men to the Moon, and who you claim are part of the government conspiracy, spreading lies and falsehoods to fool the masses, yet they can be trusted on this one point, because it agrees with you?

Riiiight. :rolleyes:

Taffer

25th February 2007, 04:37 AM

Hang on a minute. This is the same NASA (and Werner Von Braun) who you claim are lying about sending men to the Moon, and who you claim are part of the government conspiracy, spreading lies and falsehoods to fool the masses, yet they can be trusted on this one point, because it agrees with you?

Riiiight. :rolleyes:

Obviously, we don't SEE it because we are STUPID false skeptics, and only a TRUE skeptic would UNDERSTAND the underlying design of the universe HERE. :rolleyes:

Björn Toulouse

25th February 2007, 06:04 AM

You athiests and false skeptics have not come up with one prophecy to show you are gods, and are failing the Lord's CHALLENGE.

Are you in hiding, are you sleeping, or are you just afraid because you know that you know nothing.

:

Psa 2:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

Do your own children ever read this stuff? It would be interesting to read their viewpoints re: Mommy and Daddy's website.

This Guy

25th February 2007, 06:32 AM

Yea, you don;t look that wise THIS GUY, and you may be sitting on your poop.

But it does take balls to make predictions, but then again real prophecy is just a dislike for this world and its lack of love and lack of principles. For if even if you know this, that is almost enough to help you make it through THIS GUY..

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/PeaceandSafetyFalseProphets.html

The false prophets usually tell you to just relax and do nothing and believe governments and their lies..... and yet their citizens call us false prophets... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Weshallbecalleddevils.html

I suggest it takes nothing more than the ability to convey a message to make a prediction. And if you dislike this world, perhaps you should stop making predictions, and try to make a difference?

As for your prophecies, what makes your end time predictions any more valid than the hundreds of others that have been made, and failed to materialize?

I have never claimed wisdom as an attribute. And if you think the avatar looks bad, you should see what I have to face at shaving time!

On the other hand, I didn't come to a skeptics forum and ask them to make predictions. Something that would be totally against their beliefs. We might make forecast. Give an expected outcome of some combination of events (if this, then...) But I don't think you'll find anyone that considers themselves skeptic in the prophecy business. And asking about a skeptic god? What is that all about? I believe I can safely say that the vast majority of the regular posters on this forum don't believe in any god, let alone that they might be one!

Do your seriously expect us to accept a challenge, from you, claimed to be from a lord that we don't believe in?

I'm inclined to vote well past deluded, and pretnear insane.

What's scary is that I bet there are folks out there that believe your drivel, and likely even give you financial support.

Want to talk about sin? If it exist, your acceptance of money (IF you do!) would have to be a big one.

Anyway, if you want to be taken seriously, I suggest you go to your local psych ward. Maybe the inmates there will pay some attention.

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 07:50 AM

I predict there will be a total solar eclipse on the first of august next year, visible from the north polar region and parts of China.

You are at least close Terry, as the Lord who created the stars and heavenly bodies as signs, will be using them in the future as signs to us. Yet they were set in motion from the beginning.

Try the convergence of The Milky Way in 2012...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MayanCultureand2012.html

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 07:52 AM

Obviously, we don't SEE it because we are STUPID false skeptics, and only a TRUE skeptic would UNDERSTAND the underlying design of the universe HERE. :rolleyes:

Excellent Taffer, how you are getting it. There is a huge difference between false skeptics and true skeptics. true skeptics want and demand answers. they solve mysteries and find foundations and laws.

Good for you Taffer

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 07:56 AM

O.K. its agreed, you guys and gals can not prophesy or see the future, and fail the Lord's challenge. You can not produce your CAUSE or reasoning, for you are mere mortals.

You failed the Lord's challenge.... and do remember I didn;t challenge you Jesus did.... as it is right in His WORDS. Is this one reason why you don;t like reading them.

Taffer

25th February 2007, 08:06 AM

You are at least close Terry, as the Lord who created the stars and heavenly bodies as signs, will be using them in the future as signs to us. Yet they were set in motion from the beginning.

Try the convergence of The Milky Way in 2012...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MayanCultureand2012.html

*sigh*

David, do you have any scientific evidence that the "Lord ... created teh stars and heavenly bodies"?

And David, please respond to the following post:

I know that the distance to the moon can be independently verified by a reasonably determined amateur. See moonbounce.

ETA: "Teh" left in for comical effect.

Taffer

25th February 2007, 08:07 AM

Excellent Taffer, how you are getting it. There is a huge difference between false skeptics and true skeptics. true skeptics want and demand answers. they solve mysteries and find foundations and laws.

Good for you Taffer

*sigh*

* Taffer watches sarcasm whistle above David's head.

David, do you even know what the word 'skeptic' means? Do you know how we apply it to ourselves? When I call myself a 'skeptic', I simply mean that I do not believe things without scientific evidence. Please explain how I am wrong.

Taffer

25th February 2007, 08:09 AM

cyborg

25th February 2007, 08:52 AM

You failed the Lord's challenge.... and do remember I didn;t challenge you Jesus did.... as it is right in His WORDS. Is this one reason why you don;t like reading them.

YOU FAILED MY CHALLENGE. JESUS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO ME. YOUR LORD IS A MAGGOT. FEAR MY AWESOMENESS. HAVE NOT GLADNESS FOR YOU KNOW I AM TRUTH.

Björn Toulouse

25th February 2007, 09:09 AM

...you guys and gals can not prophesy or see the future...

Uh, can you?

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 09:57 AM

*sigh*

David, do you have any scientific evidence that the "Lord ... created the stars and heavenly bodies"?

.

Sure

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Sciencemystery.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MathematicsMysteries.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/PHIMysteries.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ArchitectureoftheUniverse.html

Just start a real discussion on the Science Board and I shall try to give you ideas.... for real discernment....

fuelair

25th February 2007, 10:59 AM

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 11:11 AM

Just in case I have not made it clear, I have no respect for you or your incompetant ravings or your (as stated anyway) beliefs. If I have in any way implied otherwise, you have my apologies. You are a troll as pointed out by myself and others. You have no honor or worth and you foul the places you infest. Thanks for your time, fuelair

if this is another way of saying, you are not a god, and have no knowledge of the future, we could have realized that earlier. Fuelair..

And so the Lord's CHALLENGE remains as athiests who deny hiostory and current events could hardly know the future. And yet some true skeptics might have come up with some answers, and might want to know the future that ONLY the Lord would know.

fuelair

25th February 2007, 11:41 AM

if this is another way of saying, you are not a god, and have no knowledge of the future, we could have realized that earlier. Fuelair..

And so the Lord's CHALLENGE remains as athiests who deny hiostory and current events could hardly know the future. And yet some true skeptics might have come up with some answers, and might want to know the future that ONLY the Lord would know.

Actually no, it was my way of saying I have no respect for you, etc. I know what words mean and use them to say what I mean. So when I say you are a complete and total WOO I mean it in the deepest truest possible way - because I value oxygen. And you have no value.

cyborg

25th February 2007, 11:43 AM

And so the Lord's CHALLENGE remains

INDEED MY CHALLENGE REMAINS. I CHALLENGE YOU TO DENY MY AWESOMENESS. DENYING IS ACCEPTANCE.

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 11:46 AM

Actually no, it was my way of saying I have no respect for you, etc. I know what words mean and use them to say what I mean. So when I say you are a complete and total WOO I mean it in the deepest truest possible way - because I value oxygen. And you have no value.

Fuelair, it seems you are choking for lack of oxygen, as this thread is not about me, but about the Lord's CHALLENGE to all, to declare the future. if you don't know, FINE. Bye.... But the Challenge goes on without you, as you obviously aren't up to the CHALLENGE.

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Isa 41:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Isa&chapter=41&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Behold, ye [are] of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination [is he that] chooseth you.

Foster Zygote

25th February 2007, 11:52 AM

Djj, Wollery brings up an excellent point concerning von Braun and NASA. You've told us that they are untrustworthy liars cooperating in a massive government conspiracy to trick people into thinking that humans have been to the moon, but you also cite them as references supporting your claims. So, are they untrustworthy or are they trustworthy? Or are you part of the conspiracy?

Hokulele

25th February 2007, 11:54 AM

Fuelair, it seems you are choking for lack of oxygen, as this thread is not about me, but about the Lord's CHALLENGE to all, to declare the future. if you don't know, FINE. Bye.... But the Challenge goes on without you, as you obviously aren't up to the CHALLENGE.

You forgot that both Terry and I have correctly predicted the future. In fact, I am willing to predict again that I will see the moon (waxing gibbous) tonight, and I can even predict which direction to look, which constellation it will be in, and what time it will set for my latitude and longitude. Your predictions have never come true, so therefor you are a FALSE prophet, whereas Terry and I are TRUE prophets.

*high-fives Terry*

Kopji

25th February 2007, 12:49 PM

...how things will go in the future:

The theory that truth is manifest - that it is there for everyone to see, if only he wants to see it - this theory is the basis of almost every kind of fanaticism. For only the most depraved wickedness can refuse to see the manifest truth; only those who have every reason to fear truth can deny it, and conspire to suppress it.

Yet the theory that truth is manifest not only breeds fanatics - men possessed by the conviction that all those who do not see the manifest truth must be possessed of the devil - but may also lead... to authoritarianism. This is so, simply, because truth is not manifest... The allegedly manifest truth is therefore in constant need, not only of interpretation and affirmation, but also of re-interpretation and re-affirmation. An authority is required to pronounce upon, and lay down, almost from day to day, what is to be the manifest truth...

Karl R. Popper: Conjectures and Refutations Introduction - "sources of knowledge and ignorance"
pg 8,9

Kopji

25th February 2007, 12:59 PM

It is the Bible that clearly lays out the commands to OBEY and FOLLOW your government without question, this is not an atheist idea.

Romans 13:1-6 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

or maybe even more clear in the NIV

Myriad

25th February 2007, 01:21 PM

Terry

25th February 2007, 01:49 PM

O.K. its agreed, you guys and gals can not prophesy or see the future

Did you miss my post where I predicted the eclipse?

Taffer

25th February 2007, 01:59 PM

Sure

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Sciencemystery.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MathematicsMysteries.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/PHIMysteries.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ArchitectureoftheUniverse.html

Just start a real discussion on the Science Board and I shall try to give you ideas.... for real discernment....

I do not want links, David. I have no interest in going to your website. Please provide concise scientific evidence that there is any reason to trust the bible as true. Three pieces of evidence are enough.

Taffer

25th February 2007, 02:01 PM

if this is another way of saying, you are not a god, and have no knowledge of the future, we could have realized that earlier. Fuelair..

And so the Lord's CHALLENGE remains as athiests who deny hiostory and current events could hardly know the future. And yet some true skeptics might have come up with some answers, and might want to know the future that ONLY the Lord would know.

Your predictions will not come to pass. Those of Terry and others will. Therefore, by your very own logic, they must be gods.

:rolleyes:

jsfisher

25th February 2007, 02:18 PM

INDEED MY CHALLENGE REMAINS. I CHALLENGE YOU TO DENY MY AWESOMENESS. DENYING IS ACCEPTANCE.
Ok, here's the deal: Since this Jesus bloke is a big let-down on the proof of his own existence, and that puts this whole thing about sex into question, if I accept your awesomeness, cyborg, does that mean I can have a "hop on" tonight?

cyborg

25th February 2007, 02:34 PM

That depends on how awesome you are really.

jsfisher

25th February 2007, 02:58 PM

That depends on how awesome you are really.

It would seem my chances are far better on the cyborg path, so All hail cyborg, the most awesome of all the awesome.

cyborg

25th February 2007, 03:07 PM

You are wise indeed. I grant you your request.

In awesome's name. Mine that is.

Math Maniac

25th February 2007, 05:09 PM

I now take on the Prophecy Challenge.

My prediction of the future is this:

In his next post on this thread, Davidjayjordan will not acknowledge the fact that I have succeeded in the Prophecy Challenge by making an accurate prediction of the future.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Neither will he acknowledge that I prophesied that the thread was "dead in the water"--if you want to even consider it to have ever been viable.

After revealing this Truth he proceeded to reply with the kind of gobbledygook for which he is, for lack of a better word, known.

Cyborg, I've seen the error of my ways:
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/4546/362465on.gif

wollery

25th February 2007, 07:13 PM

if this is another way of saying, you are not a god, and have no knowledge of the future, we could have realized that earlier. Fuelair..

And so the Lord's CHALLENGE remains as athiests who deny hiostory and current events could hardly know the future. And yet some true skeptics might have come up with some answers, and might want to know the future that ONLY the Lord would know.Bolding mine.

So are you the Lord then? Because you say that only he would know the future, and seem to be saying that you know the future, which, logically, suggests that you are saying that you are the Lord.

Zep

25th February 2007, 07:36 PM

wollery

25th February 2007, 10:04 PM

Gentlefolk, I don't know how many more times I have to tell you about DJJ.

I've put it in big red text, screaming at you from every thread he makes. So now I'll just repeat it here for the record:

1) DJJ is a troll, of the first water.
2) He does not believe one word of what he is posting here, neither our replies nor his own posts.
3) He does not care what we post. The content is not why he is here.
4) He is doing a Google-bomb, or something similar, to promote himself for some other reason.
5) The more you respond, the more you play into his game.
6) Don't, just don't, post any more for him.

Incidentally, I have a friend from "below" who has indicated he may make an appearance shortly! ;)I have no idea why you think telling us this a few dozen times will make any difference at all, when nobody paid any attention to you the first time. One definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result.

For the record, I agree that JD&C is a troll, but I differ from you in my opinion of what sort of troll. I think he does believe every word he says, and truly believes that he might find someone who agrees with him here, or at least convince someone that he's right. I think that this is because he is mentally ill, or possibly, as Hokulele pointed out in another JD&C thread, suffers from temporal lobe epilepsy (he seems to perfectly fit the symptoms described by Hokulele). Further, if he were just google-bombing then why did he try to take the discussion to his own board?

Regardless of what sort of troll he is, some of the information to come out of these threads has been extremely useful and informative, such as Schneibster's beautiful plain English descriptions of atomic structure. I nominated the first (I think) of those for TLA. They have now been collected into a single mass and a new thread launched on "physics for art majors", a very worthwhile and valuable thread. But more importantly, as I have said in response to one of your posts in hellfire font, it matters not whether JD&C gets his site high on google. It is blatantly obvious garbage to anyone with more than 6 synapses that fire correctly. Anyone who would advertise on his site is almost certainly the sort of person, or company, that would advertise on it anyway, thus rendering your point rather moot.

And one last, final, and rather pertinent point, with all due respect. You are not my keeper, nor the keeper of anyone else on this forum. You are neither a mod, nor an admin. Please don't presume to tell me what to do. Please either modify your language to show that you are offering advice or a personal opinion.

(And for the love of Pasta, if everyone ignores your first 20 or so offerings of advice, give up!)

ETA - One truly final point, Zep, as a skeptic I must ask - what evidence do you have that JD&C doesn't believe what he posts? Or is this just your opinion?

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 11:42 PM

It is the Bible that clearly lays out the commands to OBEY and FOLLOW your government without question, this is not an atheist idea.or maybe even more clear in the NIV

Kopjii, YES the demented church tells it followers to just obey the gvernment and wave falgs and send their children or other people children to war to acquire more oil for the homefront.

But the Lord never said to worship nationalism or any country or worship war.

But go ahead and try to make your case.

Davidjayjordan

25th February 2007, 11:46 PM

Wolley, your whole life is in ruins as you desperately try to piece together your sanity when you have been unable to put together truths, and it has embarassed you.

I am a missionary for Jesus and always have been since University as it was what I always wanted to be rather than what I studied for in University and rather than becoming a professional basketball player even though I had offers.

PS) This thread is about you people being challenged by the Lord to state the future.

I repeat NONE of you are up to the CHALLENGE.

Shall I have to start a prophecy timeline thread, because you are null and void and desperate. I might as there are a few honest people HERE.

Taffer

26th February 2007, 01:21 AM

Wolley, your whole life is in ruins as you desperately try to piece together your sanity when you have been unable to put together truths, and it has embarassed you.

You know nothing about wollery. Do not presume that you do.

I am a missionary for Jesus and always have been since University as it was what I always wanted to be rather than what I studied for in University and rather than becoming a professional basketball player even though I had offers.

Which University was that again?

I repeat NONE of you are up to the CHALLENGE.

Shall I have to start a prophecy timeline thread, because you are null and void and desperate. I might as there are a few honest people HERE.

There have already been two predictions about the future which came to pass, from people posting in this thread. Are you going to respond to them or not?

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 01:40 AM

Bolding mine.

So are you the Lord then? Because you say that only he would know the future, and seem to be saying that you know the future, which, logically, suggests that you are saying that you are the Lord.

No, I am not the Lord, neither are you. But I serve the lord of Lords, you seem to serve nothingness.

Prophecy is not hard to know the basics, it is straight forward enough that it just takes a little literacy and a little common sense and an open mind. The Lord made it that way. Unfortunately , many have eyes to see and see not, and complain over and over again that they can NOT see.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 01:43 AM

The Lord's Challenge remains and no one of the false skeptics can state a prophecy, for they just get foolisher and foolisher.

I would be ashamed of them if I called this board home, but then again false skeptics like the false.

But on another thread I shall give you a timeline of the End. And a scenario of events til the End that starts the beginning and yet for most the End of being falsely skeptical.

Taffer

26th February 2007, 01:44 AM

No, I am not the Lord, neither are you. But I serve the lord of Lords, you seem to serve nothingness.

Prophecy is not hard to know the basics, it is straight forward enough that it just takes a little literacy and a little common sense and an open mind. The Lord made it that way. Unfortunately , many have eyes to see and see not, and complain over and over again that they can NOT see.

What about the two 'prophecies' which were made earlier, and which were shown to be true?

Zep

26th February 2007, 01:44 AM

I have no idea why you think telling us this a few dozen times will make any difference at all, when nobody paid any attention to you the first time. One definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result.

For the record, I agree that JD&C is a troll, but I differ from you in my opinion of what sort of troll. I think he does believe every word he says, and truly believes that he might find someone who agrees with him here, or at least convince someone that he's right. I think that this is because he is mentally ill, or possibly, as Hokulele pointed out in another JD&C thread, suffers from temporal lobe epilepsy (he seems to perfectly fit the symptoms described by Hokulele). Further, if he were just google-bombing then why did he try to take the discussion to his own board?

Regardless of what sort of troll he is, some of the information to come out of these threads has been extremely useful and informative, such as Schneibster's beautiful plain English descriptions of atomic structure. I nominated the first (I think) of those for TLA. They have now been collected into a single mass and a new thread launched on "physics for art majors", a very worthwhile and valuable thread. But more importantly, as I have said in response to one of your posts in hellfire font, it matters not whether JD&C gets his site high on google. It is blatantly obvious garbage to anyone with more than 6 synapses that fire correctly. Anyone who would advertise on his site is almost certainly the sort of person, or company, that would advertise on it anyway, thus rendering your point rather moot.

And one last, final, and rather pertinent point, with all due respect. You are not my keeper, nor the keeper of anyone else on this forum. You are neither a mod, nor an admin. Please don't presume to tell me what to do. Please either modify your language to show that you are offering advice or a personal opinion.

(And for the love of Pasta, if everyone ignores your first 20 or so offerings of advice, give up!)

ETA - One truly final point, Zep, as a skeptic I must ask - what evidence do you have that JD&C doesn't believe what he posts? Or is this just your opinion?

OK, whatever. Please yourself. I'm shutting up and moving out. Seems my point has been missed entirely... :(

Taffer

26th February 2007, 01:46 AM

Taffer

26th February 2007, 01:47 AM

OK, whatever. Please yourself. I'm shutting up and moving out. Seems my point has been missed entirely... :(

I got your point, Zep. I'm just ignoring it for the time being.

Y'know, because you're Zep. When have you ever had anything interesting to say? :D :p

wollery

26th February 2007, 01:50 AM

Wolley, your whole life is in ruins as you desperately try to piece together your sanity when you have been unable to put together truths, and it has embarassed you.Ah, the classic ad hominem attack, last refuge of the thoroughly beaten.

I am a missionary for Jesus and always have been since University as it was what I always wanted to be rather than what I studied for in University and rather than becoming a professional basketball player even though I had offers.Because turning down professional basketball and science in favour of christian missionary work is a sure fire way to further understand science and mathematics. :rolleyes:

PS) This thread is about you people being challenged by the Lord to state the future.So I ask again, are you the Lord?

I repeat NONE of you are up to the CHALLENGE.There have been predictions of the future posted on this thread. Care to respond to them?

Shall I have to start a prophecy timeline thread, because you are null and void and desperate. I might as there are a few honest people HERE.Well nobody has agreed with anything you've said on any thread on this forum yet. And since agreeing with you seems to be your criterion for measuring people's honesty I fail to see where you get that straw that you're grasping for.

Zep

26th February 2007, 01:51 AM

I got your point, Zep. I'm just ignoring it for the time being.

Y'know, because you're Zep. When have you ever had anything interesting to say? :D :pNever. :( Seems I'm well worth ignoring.

Oh well. :(

wollery

26th February 2007, 01:52 AM

OK, whatever. Please yourself. I'm shutting up and moving out. Seems my point has been missed entirely... :(No, I got your point. I just happen to disagree with it.

Timble

26th February 2007, 01:56 AM

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 01:59 AM

I am not the Lord, just serve the Lord of Lords, Hence there is a much greater probability that I may know some of his prophetic truths rather than you.

But this thread is directed at you. Bring on your prophecies about the future, and I shall be starting my own thread concerning the scenario of events and maybe even the time schedule.

But you go FIRST, take the Challenge, don;t be afraid. State something, have some balls, some courage if you are gods, and sate a truth.

But you can not because you know nothing and believe in nothing and have nothing. Prove me wrong.

State your claims !!!

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 02:03 AM

DJJ's patently wrong, because Isaac Newton, an infinitely better mathematician than DJJ had a hack at the same set of prophecies, and came out with a somewhat different set of answers to DJJ, just as loopy, but different.

Old Isaac also though the end of the world was coming in 2060, a bit of a divergence from DJJ.

Timble timble timble, how long have I been with you and still you don;t know.. it is NOT the End of the world, just the end of the rulers of this world and their control over it. the Lord takes back his world and His earth, and rules and reigns for a thousand years.

It is not negative but the time all the prophets and saints of all ages wanted to see and live in. We have that great priviledge if we are with the Lord. It is not depressing but inspiring and enviforating and makes us want to not waste time, but help others and find our brethren everywhere. You have to get over your negative thoughts about the future and see past it, and the great victories ahead. For in the darkness light is so much brighter, and we shall go on to brighter day.

or you can stay with the depressed and the negators of all truth and all integrated knowledge. Your choice.

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:03 AM

Ah, the classic ad hominem attack, last refuge of the thoroughly beaten.

To be fair, that wasn't an ad hominem...:o

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:04 AM

Never. :( Seems I'm well worth ignoring.

Oh well. :(

Don't worry, I still love you. :)

Zep

26th February 2007, 02:06 AM

No, I got your point. I just happen to disagree with it.Got it. You condone this blatant spamming because it pleases you to argue with the spammer. :rolleyes:

How sad... :(

Zep

26th February 2007, 02:07 AM

Don't worry, I still love you. :)...yeah. Real funny. :(

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:08 AM

I am not the Lord, just serve the Lord of Lords, Hence there is a much greater probability that I may know some of his prophetic truths rather than you.

Fallacies aside, this would only be true if you had evidence that he exists in the first place. Do you?

But this thread is directed at you. Bring on your prophecies about the future, and I shall be starting my own thread concerning the scenario of events and maybe even the time schedule.

There have been two so far on this thread. Try to keep up, David. Both came to pass. We have passed your little "challenge".

But you go FIRST, take the Challenge, don;t be afraid. State something, have some balls, some courage if you are gods, and sate a truth.

But you can not because you know nothing and believe in nothing and have nothing. Prove me wrong.

State your claims !!!

I predict there will be a total solar eclipse on the first of august next year, visible from the north polar region and parts of China.

And based on this and other empirical evidence, I can determine exactly where the moon will be tonight at 8:55:34 pm HST. See, I can predict the future! Woo hoo!

Both these were true. We have passed your challenge.

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:09 AM

...yeah. Real funny. :(

:(

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 02:09 AM

I got your point, Zep. I'm just ignoring it for the time being.

Y'know, because you're Zep. When have you ever had anything interesting to say? :D :p

Taffer, you really shouldn't be so hard or Zep, as you have been as foolish as he. But it does show how you all will get more and more frustrated with your foolishness and lack of answers and turn and rend each other as time goes on.

Foolishness is not the end all be all. It just isn't inspiring. Knowledge inspires. Integrated Knowledge even more so....

Timble

26th February 2007, 02:13 AM

Timble timble timble, how long have I been with you and still you don;t know.. it is NOT the End of the world, just the end of the rulers of this world and their control over it. the Lord takes back his world and His earth, and rules and reigns for a thousand years.

Since like countless self proclaimed prophets before you, and some far far smarter, are you highly likely to be totally wrong and when the prophecy fails you will come up with some weird rationalisation as to why it fails...whether it's the end of the world or a complete change in the nature of the world is totally unimportant.

Not worried about it at all, I'd be more concerned that the planet could be invaded by flocks of flying pigs.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 02:14 AM

Extrapolation is not prophecy, the Lord already set the motions and speeds of the planets in Genesis right in the BEGINNING.

But then again it is a start, as the SIGNS in the sky are part of the Lord's prophecy, such as the convergence in 2012. But the world gets it wrong.

So anyway go ahead predict, the events that will happen on your dates in the future.

Besides at night it will get dark and in the morning it will get light.

Come on gods, have some balls or have you been castrated. or per chance you sleepeth or have gone on a long journey.

That's what ****** said to the ***** on Mount ****** back in the days of **** and it still apllies today.

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:15 AM

Taffer, you really shouldn't be so hard or Zep, as you have been as foolish as he. But it does show how you all will get more and more frustrated with your foolishness and lack of answers and turn and rend each other as time goes on.

Foolishness is not the end all be all. It just isn't inspiring. Knowledge inspires. Integrated Knowledge even more so....

I was JOKING, David. You seem incapable of figuring this out. I am not fustrated at all. Especially because we have shown all you say to be false. Have any of those answers I asked for yet? I am not "rend"ing Zep. I admire Zep. I am making a joke, David. A joke. Do you ever plan to answer any of the questions posted to you, or are you going to ignore them forever?

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:17 AM

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 02:17 AM

Not worried about it at all, I'd be more concerned that the planet could be invaded by flocks of flying pigs.

I'd be more worried that they have already flocked HERE. So you might make that the first PROPHECY of this board. And then claim it has been FULFILLED. But then again, that would be a self fulfilling prophecy, and wouldn't count.

Timble, Timble Timble...... you go easily with the flow of the *********

Taffer

26th February 2007, 02:20 AM

Timble

26th February 2007, 02:42 AM

I'd be more worried that they have already flocked HERE. So you might make that the first PROPHECY of this board. And then claim it has been FULFILLED. But then again, that would be a self fulfilling prophecy, and wouldn't count.

Timble, Timble Timble...... you go easily with the flow of the *********

You appear to work on the anything I say three times is true principle, but Lewis Carroll, a mathematician, treated that for the joke it is.

If I went with the flow of the bull droppings I'd be believing you uncritically, which as you've gathered I don't, indeed if you said the sky was blue I'd check...

wollery

26th February 2007, 04:16 AM

To be fair, that wasn't an ad hominem...:oHe said that my life is in ruins, and I'm trying to piece together my sanity. This is his response to my repeated questions.

How is that not an ad hom? :confused:

wollery

26th February 2007, 04:31 AM

But then again it is a start, as the SIGNS in the sky are part of the Lord's prophecy, such as the convergence in 2012. But the world gets it wrong.Yeah, about that convergence that you seem to be so enamoured of. It says on your website, "The convergence of the Milky Way with our Solar System's elliptical path", which is;

a) impossible, since we are in the Milky Way (the Perseus arm if memory serves me correctly) and,

b) is in direct contradiction with the other page on your website which says the the Earth is the centre of the Universe.

Taffer

26th February 2007, 06:01 AM

He said that my life is in ruins, and I'm trying to piece together my sanity. This is his response to my repeated questions.

How is that not an ad hom? :confused:

Becuase he didn't try to falsify your argument through a personal trait.

Don't worry, I'm just being increadibly pedantic. :o

ETA: To clarify a bit: if he'd said "your life is in ruins blah blah" and "anyone who's life is in ruins blah blah cannot be taken seriously" and "therefore your argument can't be taken seriously" it would be an ad hom. He may have implied it, and we may have read it that way, but because he is the only one who truely knows what he meant by his argument, we shouldn't read unstated premises into his argument. :)

Taffer

26th February 2007, 06:04 AM

b) is in direct contradiction with the other page on your website which says the the Earth is the centre of the Universe.

Why am I not surprised he says this? :rolleyes:

Myriad

26th February 2007, 06:17 AM

I have won the Prophecy Challenge. I have made a prophecy which has actually come true.

I now take on the Prophecy Challenge.

My prediction of the future is this:

In his next post on this thread, Davidjayjordan will not acknowledge the fact that I have succeeded in the Prophecy Challenge by making an accurate prediction of the future.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Note that this was not a mere "extrapolation" like predicting the sun coming up. Davidjayjordan is an independent entity with his own volition. Yet I have predicted accurately. His subsequent posts in this thread prove it. The boldfacing is added by me.

Kopjii, YES the demented church tells it followers to just obey the gvernment and wave falgs and send their children or other people children to war to acquire more oil for the homefront.

But the Lord never said to worship nationalism or any country or worship war.

But go ahead and try to make your case.

Wolley, your whole life is in ruins as you desperately try to piece together your sanity when you have been unable to put together truths, and it has embarassed you.

I am a missionary for Jesus and always have been since University as it was what I always wanted to be rather than what I studied for in University and rather than becoming a professional basketball player even though I had offers.

PS) This thread is about you people being challenged by the Lord to state the future.

I repeat NONE of you are up to the CHALLENGE.

Shall I have to start a prophecy timeline thread, because you are null and void and desperate. I might as there are a few honest people HERE.

No, I am not the Lord, neither are you. But I serve the lord of Lords, you seem to serve nothingness.

Prophecy is not hard to know the basics, it is straight forward enough that it just takes a little literacy and a little common sense and an open mind. The Lord made it that way. Unfortunately , many have eyes to see and see not, and complain over and over again that they can NOT see.

The Lord's Challenge remains and no one of the false skeptics can state a prophecy, for they just get foolisher and foolisher.

I would be ashamed of them if I called this board home, but then again false skeptics like the false.

But on another thread I shall give you a timeline of the End. And a scenario of events til the End that starts the beginning and yet for most the End of being falsely skeptical.

I am not the Lord, just serve the Lord of Lords, Hence there is a much greater probability that I may know some of his prophetic truths rather than you.

But this thread is directed at you. Bring on your prophecies about the future, and I shall be starting my own thread concerning the scenario of events and maybe even the time schedule.

But you go FIRST, take the Challenge, don;t be afraid. State something, have some balls, some courage if you are gods, and sate a truth.

But you can not because you know nothing and believe in nothing and have nothing. Prove me wrong.

State your claims !!!

Timble timble timble, how long have I been with you and still you don;t know.. it is NOT the End of the world, just the end of the rulers of this world and their control over it. the Lord takes back his world and His earth, and rules and reigns for a thousand years.

It is not negative but the time all the prophets and saints of all ages wanted to see and live in. We have that great priviledge if we are with the Lord. It is not depressing but inspiring and enviforating and makes us want to not waste time, but help others and find our brethren everywhere. You have to get over your negative thoughts about the future and see past it, and the great victories ahead. For in the darkness light is so much brighter, and we shall go on to brighter day.

or you can stay with the depressed and the negators of all truth and all integrated knowledge. Your choice.

Taffer, you really shouldn't be so hard or Zep, as you have been as foolish as he. But it does show how you all will get more and more frustrated with your foolishness and lack of answers and turn and rend each other as time goes on.

Foolishness is not the end all be all. It just isn't inspiring. Knowledge inspires. Integrated Knowledge even more so....

Extrapolation is not prophecy, the Lord already set the motions and speeds of the planets in Genesis right in the BEGINNING.

But then again it is a start, as the SIGNS in the sky are part of the Lord's prophecy, such as the convergence in 2012. But the world gets it wrong.

So anyway go ahead predict, the events that will happen on your dates in the future.

Besides at night it will get dark and in the morning it will get light.

Come on gods, have some balls or have you been castrated. or per chance you sleepeth or have gone on a long journey.

That's what ****** said to the ***** on Mount ****** back in the days of **** and it still apllies today.

I'd be more worried that they have already flocked HERE. So you might make that the first PROPHECY of this board. And then claim it has been FULFILLED. But then again, that would be a self fulfilling prophecy, and wouldn't count.

Timble, Timble Timble...... you go easily with the flow of the *********

So, to sum up. I made a prophecy regarding the actions of a being with independent volition. That prophecy turned out to be absolutely true. He did not acknowledge the fact that I made a true prophetic prediction of the future.

To confirm that my prophetic powers exceed Davidjayjordan's, nothing of which he's predicted has yet come to pass, I will make another prophecy. I predict that Davidjayjordan's next post still will not acknowledge the fact that I have succeeded in the Prophecy Challenge by making an accurate prediction of the future.

As he has denied my propetic powers by saying (as quoted above) that no one besides him has made a prophecy, that makes him a false prophet and a deceiver.

Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."
Jeremiah 4:14

Respectfully,
Myriad

Björn Toulouse

26th February 2007, 07:04 AM

I am not the Lord, just serve the Lord of Lords, Hence there is a much greater probability that I may know some of his prophetic truths rather than you.

As has been demonstrated in at least 2 others posts elsewhere, the "art" of prophesying is another one of your glaring, world class underachievements. So why do you wish to see people do here what you have already failed to do yourself?

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State your claims !!!

I claim that "reframe" is not a typo, but is an indication of a learning disability, Future-Boy!

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 10:02 AM

Answer the two predictions made by Terry and Hokulele please.

Extrapolation is not prophecy, the Lord already set the motions and speeds of the planets in Genesis right in the BEGINNING.

But then again it is a start, as the SIGNS in the sky are part of the Lord's prophecy, such as the convergence in 2012. But the world gets it wrong.

So anyway go ahead predict, the events that will happen on your dates in the future.

Besides at night it will get dark and in the morning it will get light.

Come on gods, have some balls or have you been castrated. or per chance you sleepeth or have gone on a long journey.

That's what ****** said to the ***** on Mount ****** back in the days of **** and it still apllies today.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 10:08 AM

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 10:21 AM

Dear Brethren and unfortunate others.

The evolutionists mentality is well summarized by

2Pe 3:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Pe/2Pe003.html#4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

For as before they mock the lord's Coming and pretend all things continue as they are.

So they can only extrapolate afew of the Lord's usual motions until they see the unusual and real prophecy...

But at least the these newbie prophets are trying and we have to try and encourage them somehow, some way.

slingblade

26th February 2007, 10:27 AM

You're a right nutter, y'ken that, aye?

Terry

26th February 2007, 10:43 AM

Hokulele

26th February 2007, 11:51 AM

After some time pondering, Terry andf Hoks pathetic prophecies in just extrapolating what the Lord times and motions, put in place as SIGNS in the End Times. I have to try an encourage these upcoming prophets and so I will give them a HALF POINT out of a possible TEN. ... this even though the passing MARK remains 5.

For at least they understand the first the beginning of Genesis.

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14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And there go the goalposts, off into the distance.

See, you originally told us to make any kind of prediction. We did. You are now telling us that this isn't a prediction, but an extrapolation. You changed the terms of the challenge mid-challenge. You lose.

Besides, isn't everything that you are doing extrapolation from the bible? Either way, you lose.

One last prediction, not one of your predictions will come true.

jsfisher

26th February 2007, 01:16 PM

But then again it is a start, as the SIGNS in the sky are part of the Lord's prophecy, such as the convergence in 2012. But the world gets it wrong.
DavidJayJordan,

Wasn't it you who prophesied this grand convergence for 2009 just a few years ago? Why the change? Why are you right now and so very, very wrong before?

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 01:43 PM

And there go the goalposts, off into the distance.

See, you originally told us to make any kind of prediction. We did. You are now telling us that this isn't a prediction, but an extrapolation. You changed the terms of the challenge mid-challenge. You lose.

Besides, isn't everything that you are doing extrapolation from the bible? Either way, you lose.

One last prediction, not one of your predictions will come true.

Hok..ee from Pinokeee, I posted a NEW THREAD with real PROPHECY because you guys were struggling so much with your godhood.

iTS CALLED bASIC FUNDAMENTAL PROPHECY sCENARIO tIMELINE, HOWS THAT FOR A RUN ON TITLE... AND A capital button down.

Timble

26th February 2007, 01:56 PM

Hok..ee from Pinokeee, I posted a NEW THREAD with real PROPHECY because you guys were struggling so much with your godhood.

iTS CALLED bASIC FUNDAMENTAL PROPHECY sCENARIO tIMELINE, HOWS THAT FOR A RUN ON TITLE... AND A capital button down.

I don't think those mushrooms were the edible variety...and they don't go well with spam.

Myriad

26th February 2007, 02:33 PM

I, on the other hand, am now two for two for prophecies.

To confirm that my prophetic powers exceed Davidjayjordan's, nothing of which he's predicted has yet come to pass, I will make another prophecy. I predict that Davidjayjordan's next post still will not acknowledge the fact that I have succeeded in the Prophecy Challenge by making an accurate prediction of the future.

I now make the third and greatest prophecy of all, extending far into the infinite future: I prophesy that Davidjayjordan will never acknowledge the fact that I have succeeded in the Prophecy Challenge by making three accurate predictions of the future.

My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
Ezekiel 13:8-10

Equally important, I now claim victory (unless DJJ gainsays this) in the unannounced Be the first to make it onto Davidjayjordan's ignore list Challenge. Who will be second?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 05:46 PM

My prophecy timeline thread has been deleted and censored HERE, so obviously my time line is threatening to those that have no idea about the future

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Meaning I will have to put it on this thread which was reserved to show you have no idea about the future.

Hokulele

26th February 2007, 05:48 PM

Equally important, I now claim victory (unless DJJ gainsays this) in the unannounced Be the first to make it onto Davidjayjordan's ignore list Challenge. Who will be second?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Ooh! Me! Pick me! I want to be on the ignore list with Myriad! Seeing as how he has yet to spell my name correctly and all. Um, can we still admit to Cyborg's awesomeness on the DJJ ignore list?

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 05:49 PM

Revelation is a prophetic compliment which fits together with what Jesus said, and what Daniel wrote...

Its graphics so only a hyperlink will be able to show it..

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/RevelationsTimeline.html

RationalReverend

26th February 2007, 05:50 PM

Sorry, I'm a Preterist

Cosmo

26th February 2007, 05:51 PM

Did you put that thing together or copy it from somewhere else?

(I'm not even going to try to understand it.)

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 06:06 PM

Did you put that thing together or copy it from somewhere else?

(I'm not even going to try to understand it.)

Its mine, I drew it myself took about three days... but it was time well spent.

And notice how I did not put a copyright on it, so others can pass it out freely..

But Cosmo, it is a simple timeline, but in horizontal form half of it looks like this

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Revelation.html

Its larger as well

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 06:09 PM

On the timeline, we NOW are just before the signing of the Mid east Covenant, then the Jewish 3rd temple is built.

I can tell you the events more fully in detail if you choose.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 06:13 PM

Avoid the devoid as the Lord said... so do obey HIM.

Lisa Simpson

26th February 2007, 06:15 PM

On the timeline, we NOW are just before the signing of the Mid east Covenant, then the Jewish 3rd temple is built.

Nope. Sorry, but you are wrong. I have it on good authority this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Age of Aquarius. A-quar-i-uuuuuus!

Azure

26th February 2007, 07:07 PM

Its what John wrote as well.

Foster Zygote

26th February 2007, 07:10 PM

Did you put that thing together or copy it from somewhere else?

(I'm not even going to try to understand it.)

It's like looking at a circuit board.

Apathia

26th February 2007, 07:15 PM

Nope. Sorry, but you are wrong. I have it on good authority this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Age of Aquarius. A-quar-i-uuuuuus!

My local pet store says it's The Age of Aquarium!
Time for the Three Angelfish Messages and the Seven Last Platies!

Jimbo07

26th February 2007, 07:19 PM

It's like looking at a circuit board.

Circuit boards actually do something. :mad:

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 08:46 PM

Ahh reminds me of what Elijah said to the 450 false prophets who tried to prove they were gods, and yet could not prophesize..

http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Ki/18/27.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=1Ki&chapter=18&verse=27&version=KJV#27)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=1Ki&chapter=18&verse=27&version=KJV#27)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/i9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/images.pl?book=1Ki&chapter=18&verse=27&version=KJV#27)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/v9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=1Ki&chapter=18&verse=27&version=KJV#27)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/d9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/d.pl?book=1Ki&chapter=18&verse=27&version=KJV#27)
1Ki 18:27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=1Ki&chapter=18&verse=27&version=kjv#27)And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 08:50 PM

It's like looking at a circuit board.

Yes it takes a little intelligence to understand revelation and a lot of Spirit. But I realise, the worldly aren't use to time lines. But the main line goes from the past to the future, with the events of revelation written on there as the chronology of events is important.

Next up the Signing of the Mid east Peace Covenant...after the next war for oil. Simple straight forward and easy to understand.

For confirmations SEE the Book of Daniel, they fit together EXACTLY. And remember I said the word EXACTLY..

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

Its a basic and is even easier to understand.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 08:53 PM

Circuit boards actually do something. :mad:

And so do prophecy timelines that show the future because they connect you up with the fire and ELECTRICITY of NOW and the FUTURE.

But usually false skeptics can NOT connect up the dots or folow clues or follow the simpliest of routes to an END, which starts the BEGINNING

Marquis de Carabas

26th February 2007, 08:55 PM

I especially liked the "ANTI-CHRIST RULES" part, but felt it could do with a couple of exclamation marks, maybe even three.

Marquis de Carabas

26th February 2007, 09:00 PM

But I realise, the worldly aren't use to time lines.
Actually, we're quite familiar with timelines. It's just that 6000 years is barely a blip on ours.

SezMe

26th February 2007, 09:18 PM

But the main line goes from the past to the future, ....
Thank god (so to speak) for that. What if the main line went from the past to, say, Chicago? *shudder*

slingblade

26th February 2007, 09:30 PM

I didn't bother to look. It took me two decades to get Hal Lindsay and Mike Warnke out of my head. And I figure it's stupid to bleach the sheets and then hand them back to the pig.

Davidjayjordan

26th February 2007, 09:32 PM

Actually, we're quite familiar with timelines. It's just that 6000 years is barely a blip on ours.

yea, yours keep extrapolating the improbable of the impossible in the short run to longer and longer runs, like from millions of years to billions of years to trillions of years. they hoping that with enough years, their impossibilities will finnally become possible. Such is the mentality of the luck and chance evolutionists and their prophecy timelines that go no where.

Gord_in_Toronto

26th February 2007, 09:42 PM

yea, yours keep extrapolating the improbable of the impossible in the short run to longer and longer runs, like from millions of years to billions of years to trillions of years. they hoping that with enough years, their impossibilities will finnally become possible. Such is the mentality of the luck and chance evolutionists and their prophecy timelines that go no where.

I will fight to the death to allow you to say anything you want but that does not mean I can't laugh uproariously when you say such things as this.

Keep it coming. Like the "million monkeys" you may eventually say something that intersects with reality. :boggled: :boggled: :boggled:

Hokulele

27th February 2007, 01:48 AM

Avoid the devoid as the Lord said... so do obey HIM.

Hmm, where exactly was this said? Let's see, nope, not in the good old KJV. www.blueletterbible.org (http://www.blueletterbible.org)? Seems to be DJJ's favorite site. Nope, not there. Let's try Wikipedia. Cool, check this out!

Devoid is the first official album released by Italian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) melodic death metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodic_death_metal) band Dark Lunacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Lunacy).

I'm not sure why I should have to try to avoid this though. It doesn't look like my local record store carries it.

ETA: And here I thought I wouldn't learn anything posting on this thread.

I wonder if the anyone could put "Italian melodic death metal" in the tag for this thread? :D

Davidjayjordan

27th February 2007, 07:13 AM

Its what John wrote as well.

Its called the Book of Revelation, by John but the first verse states it was written by an angel of the Lord.

Revelation 1

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

And many times within, it states things were just too heavy and strong for the angel to write down, besides the lord wanted it to be known only by those that would SEEK TO FIND. IE True skeptics and true researchers.

Almo

1st March 2007, 11:28 AM

Its called the Book of Revelation, by John but the first verse states it was written by an angel of the Lord.

And the Angel said unto Almo,
"Thou must post a message thus:
'Moonbase Commander shall be the greatness' "
And so, Almo proceeded unto the Internet,
posting as demanded by the Angel of the Lord.

Moonbase Commander shall be the greatness!

This comes from the Lord, since it says so! I didn't question the Angel's grammar, either...

SezMe

1st March 2007, 12:47 PM

You are an idiot.
You are an idiot (http://piv.pivpiv.dk/). There, I enhanced your insightful post just a tad. :)

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 11:35 AM

Hmm, where exactly was this said? Let's see, nope, not in the good old KJV. www.blueletterbible.org (http://www.blueletterbible.org)? Seems to be DJJ's favorite site. Nope, not there. Let's try Wikipedia. Cool, check this out!

Devoid is the first official album released by Italian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) melodic death metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodic_death_metal) band Dark Lunacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Lunacy).

I'm not sure why I should have to try to avoid this though. It doesn't look like my local record store carries it.

ETA: And here I thought I wouldn't learn anything posting on this thread.

I wonder if the anyone could put "Italian melodic death metal" in the tag for this thread? :D

I paraphrased the Lord, as understanding a principle means you understand the concept from many angles and aren't unidemensional.

Do not answer a fool according to his foolishness, might be a better quote for you, Hok. Do look it up and study it and then understand it from many angles, hopefully NOT from being the originator of the foolishness.

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 11:37 AM

Dear respondants, seeing I can only post one prophecy thread, allow me to start from HERE with Daniel and Revelation.

You can post what you like, but I shall only answer concerning real biblical prophecy and the future.

You all failed the challenge so I shall have to readjust the first opening remarks about Prophecy ..Thanks

Gord_in_Toronto

3rd March 2007, 11:44 AM

Ah, DeeJay, I see you have returned.

I also see that you haven't got any wiser.

Pitty. But this is Saturday and I can get some more beer in.

Dance Kook. Dance.

Hokulele

3rd March 2007, 03:50 PM

I paraphrased the Lord, as understanding a principle means you understand the concept from many angles and aren't unidemensional.

As opposed to unidelusional.

Do not answer a fool according to his foolishness, might be a better quote for you, Hok. Do look it up and study it and then understand it from many angles, hopefully NOT from being the originator of the foolishness.

Originator of the foolishness? Who started this thread?

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 05:31 PM

O.K. the challenge is over, as no ONE but the Lord could ever know the future.....yet the scoffers and the foolish shall chide and say no one knows the futrue, because they surely don;t. I mean they even deny that there will be another war in Iran. So how in the world would they ever know beyond that..

SEE Conspiracy Board as the false skeptics deny any war or wars will take place.....

So first before Daniel and Revelations ...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/LastDayScoffers.html

Last Day Scoffers and 'Uniformity Evolutionary Lies'

The 'Theory of Evolution' assumes and demands that no catastrophic events ever happened in the past, even though this goes against the fossil and geological record that says just the opposite. For in this way, they can pretend that everything that exists now gradually evolved through millions and billions of minute changes rather than the cataclysmic ones that are so evident in true history. They have to deny the World Wide Flood (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood.html) and Division of the Earth (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/EarthDividedindaysofPeleg.html) because it is Biblical and so must reject all the fossil record that absolutely proves that a great deluge caused sudden and violent displacement and death of all the plants and animals worldwide and put them into states that could be fossilized. And they must reject the violent displacement of continental plates and the shift of the Earth's axis.

For proof of this closed mindedness, let us go over the writings by Dr. Immanuel Velikosky taken from 'Earth in Upheavel', even though, he, is one of their own and not a creationist, he blasts the Theory of Uniformity and Evolution as a religion when it denies the catastrophic events like the Flood. And I will add my comments in parenthesis --- (..)

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"According to the Theory of Uniformity, (Invented by Lyell and followed by his disciple, Charles Darwin) no process took place in the past that is not taking place in the present, and not only the nature but the intensity of physical phenomena of our age are the criteria of what could have happened in the past. (This assumption is also the reason why carbon dating and certain other extrapolations into the past just don't work, because conditions have been altered through tremendous Earth Changes which evolutionists just don't want to admit)

Since the Theory of Uniformity is still taught in all places of learning and to question it is HERESY, (and disagreeing today against the insanities of evolution is still considered heresy among their scientific priesthood) It is pertinent to reproduce here some of Lyell's original statements, made in his 'Principles of Geology': they served as a manifesto or credo for all his followers, whether called uniformists or evolutionists. (In other words their genesis bible, disallows cataclysmic changes because they are not allowed in their theory)

Never was there a DOGMA more calculated to foster indolence and to blunt the edge of curiosity than this assumption of the discordance between the ancient and existing causes of change. (Yes evolution deadens the senses and the inquiring mind into the mysteries of creation) It produced a state of mind unfavourable in the highest degree to the candid perception of the evidence.

For this reason all theories are rejected which involve the assumption of sudden and violent catastrophes and revolutions of the whole earth and its inhabitants. (Exactly Doctor Velikovsky --- They reject the truth and therefore receive a delusion) Not withstanding the strong language employed, the scientific principle which insists that whatever does not occur at the present time has not occurred in the past is a self-imposed limitation. Rather than A PRINCIPLE OF SCIENCE, IT IS A STATUTE OF FAITH (Amen … It is a religion SEE Evolution is a Religion (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Evolutionisareligion.html)) And Lyell ended his famous chapter accordingly with an appeal for faith and with a precept for believers:

"If he <the student> finally believes in the resemblance or identity of the ancient and present systems of terrestrial changes, he will regard every fact collected respecting the causes in diurnal action as affording him a key to the interpretation to some MYSTERY in the past" (In other words, if a student is bright enough to figure out that cataclysmic changes caused the fossil and geological record like Darwin discovered --- SEE Darwin admits Catastrophic Earth (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/DarwinadmitsCatastropicEvents.html) changes like the Flood…… then they can go on to discover the Mysteries of the past, including the Mystery of Life (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Mysteryoflife.html), so Lyell tells them to reject all such truths. Or evade them as Darwin went on to do !! )

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And yet this very principle of evasion and denial has always been around ever since the Days of Noah. (SEE Timeline Til Flood (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ForeFathersGraphic.html)) And it was even prophesied about by the apostle Peter, when in the Spirit. So let's go over his words ---

2Pe 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (Yes we are in the Last days SEE Prophecy (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Prophecymysteries.html)) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, All Things Continue as they were from the beginning of Creation. (But NO they haven't as the Lord and sent the Flood and Divided the Earth because of man's disobediences. All things have not just continued along without major changes)

2Pe 3:5 For this they WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (Yes, they willingly teach themselves lies so as to evade the truth, that the Lord created the Heavens and the Earth. SEE Romans 1: 19-25 Why, because it is their will not to know. For here again Paul repeats the words of Moses in Gensis about the water layer above the earth, that descended down during the Earth, creating the Flood)

2Pe 3: 6-7 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Exactly Paul and there was a Flood that covered all the Earth and not just part of it, and it was horrendous and cataclysmic and noted by over 200 cultures that descended from the lineage of Noah) But the Heavens and the Earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (Preach it, Paul because there shall come a Fire (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Firebreathingprophets.html) upon the Earth in the Last days rather than another Flood. SEE Revelation Timeline (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/RevelationsTimeline.html))

2Pe 3:8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (SEE 6000 Years of World History (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/6000yearsofEarthshistory.html)) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (Yes, But His Spirit shall not always strive with men and he shall run out of patience with their disobediences just like he did in the past. And it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. SEE God's Judgments (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Godsjudgments.html))

2Pe 3:10 But the 'Day of the Lord' will come as a thief in the night; in the which the Heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the Earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (So we better be prepared to meet our Maker (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Jesusisthecreator.html), even while the cataclysmic changes of the future are happening around us. And they shall come once again.)

In His Cataclysmic Service

David

Kopji

3rd March 2007, 05:56 PM

I have a prophecy.

Religious fanatics who believe that they are doing God's will bring great death and destruction to the Mideast. They will look up in confused wonder when in the midst of the death and destruction - there will be no great hero descending from the heavens to take them away from what they have done.

They will call upon whatever God they believe in to take them away, to rescue them from the consequences of their actions - but they will finally face what it means to live cheerfully in delusion.

Gord_in_Toronto

3rd March 2007, 06:25 PM

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 06:43 PM

I have a prophecy.

.

Koji, this is no longer a thread about your prophecies, you lost your chance to prophesy. It is now about Daniel and John, true prophets.

But continue to post to yourself if you like.

But this is about

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

But if the Lord tells you any added information, just POST it and we shall see if it fits in with the prophecies of the other prophets.

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 06:48 PM

I know that God's Special Messenger has had me on ignore ever since he accused me of modifying his posts and lieing, but then could not provide any evidence but I must tell him I love the kook formatting of the above post. It still has not convinced me but I guess DeeJayJay can blame it on Satan -- the God of Atheism, Humanists, Evilutionists and Rationalists.:boggled:

Satan can easily be deemed the god of athiests, as he truly does inspire most of them. And he definitely is the god of Evolution, as that is false science based on luck and chance, but it easily debateable that he is the god of Humanists because many humanists have morals and standards and want to see through propaganda and government lies and want the best for humanity. This can be a very godly and honoruable moral code. And as for the god of Rationalists, that could only be said for those that believe in rational thought, rerason and cause and effect and so they would have to be godly and worship the God of reason... He's called the Lord of Lords

Foster Zygote

3rd March 2007, 07:43 PM

I'm not going to bother with responding to your entire post as the opening sentence I quote below is fairly representative of the whole.

The 'Theory of Evolution' assumes and demands that no catastrophic events ever happened in the past...
This statement couldn't possibly be more wrong. It is every bit as factual and accurate as your statements about the distance from Earth to the moon. You are only showing us that you are every bit as ignorant of biological science as you are about astronomy.

Taffer

3rd March 2007, 07:50 PM

You are an idiot (http://piv.pivpiv.dk/). There, I enhanced your insightful post just a tad. :)

Why thank you, SezMe. For interest's sake, do you agree with the aformentioned post?

Taffer

3rd March 2007, 07:51 PM

DJJ, I know I said I was giving up on you, be I have one final question to ask. Do you honestly think anyone here cares if we 'fail' you precious 'challenge'?

I certainly don't.

ETA: Oh, and DJJ? Evolution is an observable fact.

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 08:00 PM

I'm not going to bother with responding to your entire post as the opening sentence I quote below is fairly representative of the whole.

This statement couldn't possibly be more wrong. .

Wrong, evolution demands that its congregation believe nothing happenned after its Big Bang, so they have to try and negate the worldwide flood that has immense foosil evidence.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/DarwinadmitsCatastropicEvents.html

Amazingly, Charles Darwin who invented the 'Theory of Evolution' had to admit that what he saw in his travels and studies indicated a catastrophic event that changed the face of the Earth. And even though his geological bible was Lyell's insane Theory of Uniformity or 'no cataclysmic changes ever happened. He did state the following in admitting that a worldwide flood and a dividing of the earth could have caused all the resulting fossils find that have been discovered worldwide.

But let's check it out from Darwin's own words with mine in parenthesis______ (..).

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It is impossible to reflect upon the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly it must have swarmed with great monsters, now we find mere pygmies, compared with the antecedent, allied races. (Exactly as the water layer above the Earth caused a green house effect below and moderated temperatures causing Garden of Eden conditions and an explosion of plant and animal life before the Flood. SEE Worldwide Flood and Noah's Ark (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood.html))

The greater number, if not all of these extinct quadrupeds lived at a late period and were the contemporaries of most of the sea shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What then exterminated so many species and genera ? (Notice that Darwin just can't explain the annihilation of so many plants and animals all at once, according to the theory of uniformity. Something cataclysmic happened in the past that created the fossil record that shows devastation …. The Flood and the Dividing of the Earth SEE Earth Division in the Days of Peleg (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/EarthDividedindaysofPeleg.html))

The mind is first irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great CATASTROPHE: but thus to destroy animals both small and large, in southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America up to the Bering Straits, WE MUST SHAKE THE ENTIRE FRAMEWORK OF THE GLOBE" (And that's exactly what the Lord did, although Darwin and all his evolutionary scientists afterwards have continued to fight the obvious and the rational fossil record evidence)

For Darwin goes on to say "No lesser event could have brought about this wholesale DESTRUCTION, not only in the America's but in the ENTIRE WORLD. (because the Flood of Noah was not a local flood but a worldwide FLOOD of catastrophic proportions) It could have hardly been a change of temperature, which at about the same time destroyed the inhabitants of tropical temperate and artic latitudes on both sides of the globe. (So here Darwin is ruling out the insanity of a slow onslaught of an Ice Age, but concluding it had to have occurred worldwide quickly and cataclysmically and not over eons of time as evolutionists are so prone to suggest)

No one will imagine that a drought …could destroy every individual of every species from Southern Patagonia to the Bering Straits. (How in the world is Darwin and the evolutionists in the future ever going to explain the fossil record and this massive destruction unless they just overlook it. They won't be able to tell them it was a drought, a temperature change. What will Darwin think up to explain such irrefutable evidence that he has seen first hand in his journey's?)

What shall we say of the extinction of the horse ? Did those plains fail of pasture ?
(Darwin concluded ---) Certainly, no FACT in the long history of the world is so startling as the wide and repeated extermination of its inhabitants" (which Christians rightly call God's Judgments (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Prophecymysteries.html))

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So let's stop this insanity that no cataclysmic events have ever occurred here on Earth, and pretend that 'all things continue' as they always have from the beginning of some nice sweet Big Bang explosion that just happened by accident to create everything in perfect harmony. The Uniformity theory is just as 'bogus' and unscientific as the theory of evolution which is built upon it's back, and Darwin admitted cataclysmic change, and true scientists know it happened, and yet the devoid evolutionists try to evade this fact and forget it, and become willingly ignorant of True Science (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FalsescienceCrystals.html) and the fossil record and our TRUE HISTORY.

And this isn't 'In My Opinion (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/IMO.html)'
but according to the RECORD

David Jay Jordan

Gord_in_Toronto

3rd March 2007, 08:01 PM

Satan can easily be deemed the god of athiests, as he truly does inspire most of them. And he definitely is the god of Evolution, as that is false science based on luck and chance, but it easily debateable that he is the god of Humanists because many humanists have morals and standards and want to see through propaganda and government lies and want the best for humanity. This can be a very godly and honoruable moral code. And as for the god of Rationalists, that could only be said for those that believe in rational thought, rerason and cause and effect and so they would have to be godly and worship the God of reason... He's called the Lord of Lords

If God existed He would be locked up as a Lunatic. And he and his good friend Satan could only plan irrational inhuman jokes to play on poor people such as Job ("Oh look, I've killed all his reatives and he still does not get it") and his poor bastard son Jesus ("Don't worry this won't hurt a bit." "Father, why for have you forsaken me?").

And Buckyballs actually are the building blocks of the Universe. The timeline of prediction actually runs backward from the Heat Death of the Universe. And 42 is the key number.

:boggled:

Davidjayjordan

3rd March 2007, 08:05 PM

Now back to prophecy as the Great OPyramid does show the Worldwide Flood. Don't you guys know these things. Haven't you done the measurements. Don;t you know its ratios and phi design. You only mock to try and hide your ignorance of conenctions and the PAST and the FUTURE.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/EntrancetothePit.html

And the descending passage way, turns upward after the Flood and the emergence of Noah.....

Kopji

3rd March 2007, 09:28 PM

Koji, this is no longer a thread about your prophecies, you lost your chance to prophesy.
The only difference is that my prophecy will come true and yours will not.

It is now about Daniel and John, true prophets.

OH MY GOSH eschatological charts. Humm, I never thought much of those. I always thought they made God look sort of like, well, he did not really exist.

It is not very amazing that what the 'true' prophets say exactly match people's own opinions.

But continue to post to yourself if you like.

Why thank you, you too.

But if the Lord tells you any added information, just POST it and we shall see if it fits in with the prophecies of the other prophets.

I hope I have not given anyone the impression that I speak for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY like you do. Nope, my predictions are just idle and vain, somewhat egotistical, not like the ones from you true prophets.

As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, because my flock lacks a shepherd and so has been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because my shepherds did not search for my flock but cared for themselves rather than for my flock, therefore, O shepherds, hear the word of the LORD : This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock. I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them.

Ezekiel 34

Hokulele

3rd March 2007, 11:13 PM

O.K. the challenge is over, as no ONE but the Lord could ever know the future.....

And yet, here you are, telling us you know the future.

Taffer

4th March 2007, 04:41 AM

I see DJJ has ignored my posts yet again.

Any time you'd like to answer them, David, would be fine.

Davidjayjordan

4th March 2007, 08:05 AM

I hope I have not given anyone the impression that I speak for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY like you do. Nope, my predictions are just idle and vain, somewhat egotistical, not like the ones from you true prophets.

Thanks Kopji for your admission that your prophecies are just idle and vain and egotistical..... and now back to true prophecies and what the Lord said... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Revelation.html

.

Davidjayjordan

4th March 2007, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan http://forums.randi.org/helloworld/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2395977#post2395977)
O.K. the challenge is over, as no ONE but the Lord could ever know the future.....
And yet, here you are, telling us you know the future

Hok.... anyone can know the mind of the Lord, it is not a secret, just read and understand for....

Amo 3:7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo003.html#7) Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

jsfisher

4th March 2007, 08:27 AM

O.K. the challenge is over, as no ONE but the Lord could ever know the future.....
...and...
anyone can know the mind of the Lord, it is not a secret, just read and understand....
Davidjayjordan,

I know the contradiction in your statements escapes you, so allow me to focus on just the "know the mind of the Lord" part: If reading the mind of the Lord is easy for you, so easy in fact that you have an exact-to-the-day seven year time-line for the end of everything, then why do you have two versions of that exact-to-the-day time-line?

In 2002 you declared the time-line ran from 2002 until 2009. Now, you've shifted to things starting in 2009 with the ultimate finale in 2016.

Why the two completely different versions?

Hokulele

4th March 2007, 03:22 PM

If reading the mind of the Lord is easy for you, so easy in fact that you have an exact-to-the-day seven year time-line for the end of everything, then why do you have two versions of that exact-to-the-day time-line?

In 2002 you declared the time-line ran from 2002 until 2009. Now, you've shifted to things starting in 2009 with the ultimate finale in 2016.

Why the two completely different versions?

For all we know, there may be three, four, or even more different versions out there. I predict that in 2012, his new and improved version will start in 2014.

Davidjayjordan

4th March 2007, 03:31 PM

...and...

Davidjayjordan,

I know the contradiction in your statements escapes you, so allow me to focus on just the "know the mind of the Lord" part: If reading the mind of the Lord is easy for you, so easy in fact that you have an exact-to-the-day seven year time-line for the end of everything, then why do you have two versions of that exact-to-the-day time-line?

In 2002 you declared the time-line ran from 2002 until 2009. Now, you've shifted to things starting in 2009 with the ultimate finale in 2016.

Why the two completely different versions?

In most Christian prophecy sites, you will find that the tribulation period is different than the GREAT TRIBULATION. The Tribulation period preceedes the Great tribulation, the Great tribulation starts in the middle of the Last Seven Years.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

And it all starts with the signing of the Covenant after the next war... that's the basics.

Davidjayjordan

4th March 2007, 03:35 PM

And yet, here you are, telling us you know the future.

Anyone can know the future, all you have to do is read and believe.... if you want a little help just ask.... or ask other informed Christians.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WeknowtheDayandHour.html

We know the Day and Hour

The anti-prophecy types who don't want to study prophecy and want to negate the whole concept of prophecy because they are so attached to the world, try to excuse themselves from knowing, by believing in one mistranslated verse in Mathew 24. And so say 'no one can know the Day and Hour of the Lord's COMING. but I and others differ.

Mathew 24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels of heaven, but my Father

Because the Lord said directly and distinctly that after three and half days, since the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36 if Mathew 24: 6 is taken to mean that nobody knows anything.... as the anti-prophecy types espouse.

Revelation 11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from
God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell
upon them which saw them.

For again, if you read after verse 36, the Lord said that the heathen didn't know and yet His man NOAH did KNOW and family did KNOW the timing of the GREAT FLOOD..

Mathew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of
the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they
were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the
day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came,
and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man
be.

And again the true WORD of God says, we will know and not be in darkness...

1Thessalonians 5: 4-6 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day
should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the
children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let
us not sleep, as do] others; but let us watch and be sober.

So don't give me or us that crock that nobody knows and nobody should study and pray about prophecy, and know somethings before hand as the Lord shows us His Prophecy. And did they not read previous to Mathew 24: 36... where the Lord said ...

Mathew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not
pass away.

For the Lord's words is and are PROPHECY, and as He has said, every word and prophecy of them shall not fail to be fulfilled. And He says that he will tell us of things to come....

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his
secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who will
not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but PROPHESY ?

Therefore we may not know the exact day and hour right now, but BEFORE it happens, the Lord shall tell His sheep and His prophets.

In My Opinion

David Jay Jordan

Kopji

4th March 2007, 03:36 PM

Thanks Kopji for your admission that your prophecies are just idle and vain and egotistical..... and now back to true prophecies and what the Lord said... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Revelation.html .

Just being honest.

Hokulele

4th March 2007, 03:48 PM

OK, for those keeping score here, we are now supposed to forget everything in the bible written by Paul, and everything in the bible written by Matthew. I predict the "J" author to be next.

jsfisher

4th March 2007, 03:57 PM

In most Christian prophecy sites, you will find that the tribulation period is different than the GREAT TRIBULATION. The Tribulation period preceedes the Great tribulation, the Great tribulation starts in the middle of the Last Seven Years.

[...gratuitous self-promoting URL omitted...]

And it all starts with the signing of the Covenant after the next war... that's the basics.

The two time-line prophecies were yours, and yours alone, and were for exactly the same seven year chain of events.

So, were you completely wrong then, but right now? Or, were you right then, and completely wrong now?

Or, is there a third possibility?

Davidjayjordan

4th March 2007, 04:00 PM

temporalillusion

4th March 2007, 04:03 PM

So DJJ, you never did answer what professional basketball team in Europe you played for.

Foster Zygote

4th March 2007, 04:04 PM

Wrong, evolution demands that its congregation believe nothing happenned after its Big Bang, so they have to try and negate the worldwide flood that has immense foosil evidence.
There is no modern geological evidence of a world wide flood as described in the Bible and other, older, sources. There is plenty of modern geological evidence of catastrophic flood events. In fact, there is plenty of historical evidence of major floods. None of the geological evidence indicates a world wide flood, covering all land, certainly not within the last ten thousand years.

Amazingly, Charles Darwin who invented the 'Theory of Evolution' had to admit that what he saw in his travels and studies indicated a catastrophic event that changed the face of the Earth. And even though his geological bible was Lyell's insane Theory of Uniformity or 'no cataclysmic changes ever happened. He did state the following in admitting that a worldwide flood and a dividing of the earth could have caused all the resulting fossils find that have been discovered worldwide.
Again, you make assumptions about what you do not fully understand. Your characterization of Charles Lyell's uniformitarianism is completely off. It does not state that "no cataclysmic changes ever happened". It simply states that the forces driving geological change today are the same forces that have always been acting on the Earth.
From Wikipedia:

Uniformitarianism is one of the most basic principles of modern geology, the observation that fundamentally the same geological processes that operate today also operated in the distant past. It exists in contrast with catastrophism, which states that Earth surface features originated suddenly in the past, by geological processes radically different to those currently occurring. Note, however, that many "catastrophic" events are perfectly compatible with uniformitarianism. For example, Charles Lyell thought that ordinary geological processes would cause Niagara Falls to move upstream to Lake Erie within 10000 years, leading to catastrophic flooding of a large part of North America.

But let's check it out from Darwin's own words with mine in parenthesis______ (..).
Let's just examine Darwin's own words as your comments tend to be based on gross misunderstandings of the subject at hand.

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It is impossible to reflect upon the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly it must have swarmed with great monsters, now we find mere pygmies, compared with the antecedent, allied races. The greater number, if not all of these extinct quadrupeds lived at a late period and were the contemporaries of most of the sea shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What then exterminated so many species and genera. The mind is first irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great catastrophe: But thus to destroy animals both small and large, in southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America up to the Bering Straits, we must shake the entire framework of the globe. No lesser event could have brought about this wholesale destruction, not only in the America's but in the entire world. It could have hardly been a change of temperature, which at about the same time destroyed the inhabitants of tropical temperate and artic latitudes on both sides of the globe. No one will imagine that a drought …could destroy every individual of every species from Southern Patagonia to the Bering Straits. What shall we say of the extinction of the horse ? Did those plains fail of pasture ? Certainly, no fact in the long history of the world is so startling as the wide and repeated extermination of its inhabitants.
This material is taken from The Voyage Of The Beagle first published in 1839 (as Journal and Remarks) What this shows is a still young Darwin who is only just beginning to assemble his observations into his Theory Of Evolution By Natural Selection. It should be no surprise that he would speculate about the nature of catastrophic geological events. At this time science had little to no idea of the age of the Earth, plate tectonics, asteroid and comet impact, etc. Darwin is not expressing incredulity concerning catastrophic changes in Earth's past. He is asking questions about what caused them. He is certainly not citing Lyell as claiming that no changes ever occurred because Lyell never said any such thing. Since the mid 19th century geologists have come to understand these catastrophic (as well as slow, gradual) changes in great detail. Darwin would no doubt have been fascinated and amazed by any modern 101 level geology textbook. Geology has not refuted Darwin, it has vindicated him.
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So let's stop this insanity that no cataclysmic events have ever occurred here on Earth, and pretend that 'all things continue' as they always have from the beginning of some nice sweet Big Bang explosion that just happened by accident to create everything in perfect harmony. The Uniformity theory is just as 'bogus' and unscientific as the theory of evolution which is built upon it's back, and Darwin admitted cataclysmic change, and true scientists know it happened, and yet the devoid evolutionists try to evade this fact and forget it, and become willingly ignorant of True Science and the fossil record and our TRUE HISTORY.
Yes, let's do stop the inanity. Your grasp of uniformitarianism is every bit as wrong as your grasp of the "randomness" of natural selection, the distance to the moon, the nature of barycenter and Lagrange, Doppler cosmology and the expanding universe, the Van Allen radiation belt and, well, pretty much everything you've ever typed here regarding science.

Davidjayjordan

4th March 2007, 04:07 PM

OK, for those keeping score here, we are now supposed to forget everything in the bible written by Paul, and everything in the bible written by Matthew. I predict the "J" author to be next.

Paul, was a missionary and not much of a prophet, Mathew just wrote what Jesus prophesied as well as LUKE.

Mathew 24 saying, more basics for anyone to understand true prophecy.

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Mat 24:15 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Mat&chapter=24&verse=15&version=kjv#15)¶When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

In other words jesus verifies that Daniel was His Prophet, and you then have to understand the abomination of desolations that is involved with the world wide economic system called the MARK.

For then all must take the mARK, all true skeptics and false skeptics BOTH or they must die.. or they must join the 144,000 in the wilderness.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/AbominationofDesolation.html

Foster Zygote

4th March 2007, 04:10 PM

So DJJ, you never did answer what professional basketball team in Europe you played for.

Maybe these guys?

jsfisher

4th March 2007, 04:14 PM

Do remember that the dates are determined by the FIRST event... the signing of the Covenant, by ten nations.

That's the basic, that's the START, stated by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus and John the Revelator.
You are evading the question, Davidjayjordan.

In 2002 your prophecy was for 2002 through 2009. In 2007, your prophecy for exactly the same sequence of events is for 2009 through 2016.

Why did you change your exact-to-the-day prophecy?

Kopji

4th March 2007, 04:30 PM

Matthew 24

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

If I may put my devil's advocate cap on for a moment...

The meaning of Matthew 24 seems more like God warned everyone to be always ready for his coming and to keep watch. The metaphor draws a parallel between the listeners and Noah and his family. Jesus is saying that the world will be destroyed again, but the gospel is being compared to Noah's Ark. The meaning is that like at the time of the flood, the 'second coming' would come like a thief in the night: Unexpected. Without warning. That is all. Glub glub.

So if anyone was going to get a warning, well he just got it. Or what is with the admonition to keep watch?

Why not just say - Ok, all aboard the new ark, I'm coming real soon to destroy the world. But just before the destruction of the world, I'm gonna give another warning so that any of you who were off partying could get back in time to sail.

But that's not what it said and so your opinion probably needs reexamination.

And I recognize that in a broader sense the Book of Revelation could not even come literally true if revelation was all done with. It's like believing 'prophecy is ended, except when God reveals himself to true prophets'.

Björn Toulouse

4th March 2007, 04:42 PM

Do remember that the dates are determined by the FIRST event... the signing of the Covenant, by ten nations.

That's the basic, that's the START, stated by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus and John the Revelator..

So look for the War between Israel/America on Iran, that leads to almost WW# and then is dismantled by a Peace Conference, that gets ten nations to have a military, economic religious convenant of suuposed PEACE.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1289045eb5468b11bf.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4430)

GONG!

You just couldn't resist it, could you? After dancing around jsfisher's persistent question with answering by saying the last 7 years begins with the kickoff of the "peace covenant", you went ahead, instead of sticking to mere bible prophecy, you had to go and list another prophecy of your own.

All of those things in your Daniel prophecy timeline have been out there for years, even John Hagee uses one, but you had to go and insert your own personal prophecy that ties this "covenant" to a war between the USA and Iran. Where was that war mentioned in the bible? Or is this another personal revelation, a "secret" that only god's prophets are privy to?

If it's anything like the previous secrets you've put out there, i'd say god is having a good time pulling your chain.

Deu. 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Davidjayjordan

5th March 2007, 09:26 AM

So DJJ, you never did answer what professional basketball team in Europe you played for.

Temporary Illusion, I know like the scribes and pharisees you ask a question in an attempt not for truth but to try and make an accussation.

I was heading for Milano, Italy as I played on the National Team and we had played there before going on to the World Championships.

But I never got past England on arrival before meeting up with missionaries, and joining them for a short time before going on to be an independant missionary a little later.

I had chances to sign for professional baseball, but thought I'd do better in basketball than baseball.

But temprary delusion, this thread is about the future not the past, even though now in the future I surely could take you on 1 on 1 basketball wise, even at my age.

And if you don't believe me, tough tough tough....

Davidjayjordan

5th March 2007, 09:40 AM

If I may put my devil's advocate cap on for a moment...

The meaning of Matthew 24 seems more like God warned everyone to be always ready for his coming and to keep watch. The metaphor draws a parallel between the listeners and Noah and his family. Jesus is saying that the world will be destroyed again, but the gospel is being compared to Noah's Ark. The meaning is that like at the time of the flood, the 'second coming' would come like a thief in the night: Unexpected. Without warning. That is all. Glub glub.

So if anyone was going to get a warning, well he just got it. Or what is with the admonition to keep watch?

Why not just say - Ok, all aboard the new ark, I'm coming real soon to destroy the world. But just before the destruction of the world, I'm gonna give another warning so that any of you who were off partying could get back in time to sail.

But that's not what it said and so your opinion probably needs reexamination.

And I recognize that in a broader sense the Book of Revelation could not even come literally true if revelation was all done with. It's like believing 'prophecy is ended, except when God reveals himself to true prophets'.

Good point Kopji as you are thinking.

Yes The time of Noah parallels perfectly the End Time. But yet the Lord said He would not again send water but a FLOOD of lies.

And so mentions right in Mathew 24, His confirmation that there was a Noah and a wordwide FLOOD, and says His Coming will be just like the last one with Noah.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So we are to watch for the SIGNS, mainly the Covenant signing... and then the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple, as confirmations of the LAST SEVEN YEARS. The time period starts when the Covenant is signed, so there is no discrepancy. All will know, even though not all will know its a SIGN.

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Davidjayjordan

5th March 2007, 09:45 AM

There is no modern geological evidence of a world wide flood as described in the Bible and other, older, sources. There is plenty of modern geological evidence of catastrophic flood events. In fact, there is plenty of historical evidence of major floods. None of the geological evidence indicates a world wide flood, covering all land, certainly not within the last ten thousand years.

Again, you make assumptions about what you do not fully understand. Your characterization of Charles Lyell's uniformitarianism is completely off. It does not state that "no cataclysmic changes ever happened". It simply states that the forces driving geological change today are the same forces that have always been acting on the Earth.

Yes, let's do stop the inanity. Your grasp of uniformitarianism is every bit as wrong as your grasp of the "randomness" of natural selection, the distance to the moon, the nature of barycenter and Lagrange, Doppler cosmology and the expanding universe, the Van Allen radiation belt and, well, pretty much everything you've ever typed here regarding science.

The assumptions are from the evolutions that demand that all things continue as they are now, and so they try to extrapolate backwards to get their trillions and zillions of years of evolutionary luck and chance progress. But NO, the geological rercord shows a worldwide flood, as even Jesus concurred that there was a Noah and there was a FLOOD.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood.html

Noah's Ark and the Worldwide Flood

If we are going to talk about the true history of the world, we have to understand the worldwide flood that occurred over 4,000 years ago. (SEE Forefathers Timeline (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ForeFathersGraphic.html)) It's a geological fact that can be proven thru the geological record and is scientific rather than merely religious. The fossil record confirms the Flood and all evidence suggests that it did in fact take place not just locally in the Mid-East but throughout the whole world. Yet it wasn't merely the moisture of the air falling as rain but the fall of a water layer above the earth, and the release of waters from below that caused it. This, of course, produced tremendous geological changes, continental movement, including a polar shifting and a change in the whole weather patterns of the Earth.

And it is because of this, that over 200 different cultures have recorded the Flood in their histories, to document in similar but different ways this worldwide geological event. Why, because the deluge effected all cultures, as all following cultures stemmed sociologically from the Mid-East. For from the Gilgamish Epic of babylonians, to the Creation tablets of Nineveh, to the Rosetta Stone of Egypt, to the stories told among the Eskimos and Indians of North America, all these cultures knew and passed on their history from the Great Flood. And it is mentioned in most of them that Noah and his Family were the only human survivors.

And so again it has to be mentioned that Noah's Ark was not a myth but a historical fact and a historical huge boat that was designed to survive the Flood. (See Genesis 6 ). And from sightings of it still upon Mount Ararat by over 22 people explorers, locals, and researchers, from Marco Polo to Navara, the evidence still remains. But don't take my word for it, as you can decide for yourself when considering the undeniable evidence of its existence on Mount Ararat, in eastern Turkey. A good research book for this would be 'In Search of Noah's Ark' by David Balsiger. Do study and consider it, for it explains in detail what I need not repeat. And when you catch the significance of this and what it really means, and who is really in control of the whole world, then your searching will not be wasted in finding out this truth.

Or you can simply read the brief description of this historical event in the Bible, as Moses recorded these events after first hand conversations with the Lord himself. For archelogically all the other places and events have been confirmed and substantiated, so why not the Flood and the Ark as well. And it has been by the science of geology. For the great sedementation you see today is from receeding of the Flood waters. And the fossilization that has remained occurred because the quick onslaught of the flood caught these animals and plants in conditions that could bring about fossilization and a record of the greatest geological devastation to ever hit the Earth.It makes sense scientifically and matches up with the true science we know now, except that much of today's false science rejects this historical fact and facts because they reject the reasons that brought on the Flood…. which was the rebellion of man against the Creator (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Jesusisthecreator.html).

It was seeming paradise before the Flood, as the whole world was enveloped in a water shield above that produced a true greenhouse effect below producing not only the Garden of Eden (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/LocationoftheGardenofEden.html) but a lush grassslands and tropical gardens from pole to pole. Temperatures were moderate only varying about two or three degrees and the Earth was not watered by rain previous to the Flood but only by a gentle mist. Conditions were perfect right from the start of the Lord's Creative Process. NO creatures evolved and no laws evolved into being, but all cycles and all animals and plants and all conditions for growth and multiplication were in place right from the beginning or 'Genesis'. (SEE Creation versus Evolution Board (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/CreationversusEvolution.html))

Yes, Adam and Eve were literal human beings and Noah was only the seventh generation after them. So when we acknowledge and understand our true roots from true science and archeology and gain an appreciation of our heritage, the more we can understand the world as it is today. For when we then then all other events including the future and Prophecy (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Prophecymysteries.html) will make more sense to us.

In my opinion from true history, archeology, sociology, scriptures and science

David (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Abouttheauthor.html)

Davidjayjordan

5th March 2007, 09:49 AM

Now back to prophecy rather than the past....

The next event, a mid east war in Iran, and you don't have to be a prophet to see that one coming as it has been determined.

Then problems with Israel and the palestinians, problems with world economy because the Straits get closed, problems problems problems and escalations as the Iranians won't go peacefully into the night, niether will the nuclear fall out heading towards India..

So THEN look for international peace conferences to try and settle things down, and so called diplomacy to get all on the same NWO page and onto the Lord's prophecy which has been set in stone.

Foster Zygote

5th March 2007, 11:51 AM

The assumptions are from the evolutions that demand that all things continue as they are now,...
Evolution is defined as a process of change. You've presented a completely erroneous interpretation of Lyell's uniformitarianism. Did you not read the Wikipedia quote? The claim that evolutionary theory demands that nothing has changed is oxymoronic.

...and so they try to extrapolate backwards to get their trillions and zillions of years of evolutionary luck and chance progress.
The age of the Earth and the cosmos is based on hard evidence. You might want to look into radiometry to learn how minerals are dated. And there are no trillions or zillions of years involved, at least not in this universe.

But NO, the geological rercord shows a worldwide flood,...
Could you present this evidence?

...as even Jesus concurred that there was a Noah and there was a FLOOD.
Wow! A Jew from two thousand years ago made reference to a legend that most all Jews of the time tended to believe. Amazing!

It's a geological fact that can be proven thru the geological record and is scientific rather than merely religious. The fossil record confirms the Flood and all evidence suggests that it did in fact take place not just locally in the Mid-East but throughout the whole world. Yet it wasn't merely the moisture of the air falling as rain but the fall of a water layer above the earth, and the release of waters from below that caused it. This, of course, produced tremendous geological changes, continental movement, including a polar shifting and a change in the whole weather patterns of the Earth.
Again, please present this evidence, in another thread if you wish.

Kopji

5th March 2007, 07:39 PM

I'd never make the argument that religion is the cause of violence in the world, there will probably be violence and war for some reason or another.

What prophecy driven religiosity adds to the mix is an inability of problems to be solved. Instead of looking for some way of peaceful living together, masses of people eagerly await a cataclysm so that they can have it all.

No compromise is needed or wanted because the Great Hero will come to make the evil enemies suffer and surrender. Or surrender, and then suffer, and suffer some more. Because he is a vengeful God. A good vengeful God.

Gord_in_Toronto

5th March 2007, 08:38 PM

The assumptions are from the evolutions that demand that all things continue as they are now, and so they try to extrapolate backwards to get their trillions and zillions of years of evolutionary luck and chance progress. But NO, the geological rercord shows a worldwide flood, as even Jesus concurred that there was a Noah and there was a FLOOD.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood.html

Noah's Ark and the Worldwide Flood

If we are going to talk about the true history of the world, we have to understand the worldwide flood that occurred over 4,000 years ago. (SEE Forefathers Timeline (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ForeFathersGraphic.html)) It's a geological fact that can be proven thru the geological record and is scientific rather than merely religious. The fossil record confirms the Flood and all evidence suggests that it did in fact take place not just locally in the Mid-East but throughout the whole world. Yet it wasn't merely the moisture of the air falling as rain but the fall of a water layer above the earth, and the release of waters from below that caused it. This, of course, produced tremendous geological changes, continental movement, including a polar shifting and a change in the whole weather patterns of the Earth.

And it is because of this, that over 200 different cultures have recorded the Flood in their histories, to document in similar but different ways this worldwide geological event. Why, because the deluge effected all cultures, as all following cultures stemmed sociologically from the Mid-East. For from the Gilgamish Epic of babylonians, to the Creation tablets of Nineveh, to the Rosetta Stone of Egypt, to the stories told among the Eskimos and Indians of North America, all these cultures knew and passed on their history from the Great Flood. And it is mentioned in most of them that Noah and his Family were the only human survivors.

And so again it has to be mentioned that Noah's Ark was not a myth but a historical fact and a historical huge boat that was designed to survive the Flood. (See Genesis 6 ). And from sightings of it still upon Mount Ararat by over 22 people explorers, locals, and researchers, from Marco Polo to Navara, the evidence still remains. But don't take my word for it, as you can decide for yourself when considering the undeniable evidence of its existence on Mount Ararat, in eastern Turkey. A good research book for this would be 'In Search of Noah's Ark' by David Balsiger. Do study and consider it, for it explains in detail what I need not repeat. And when you catch the significance of this and what it really means, and who is really in control of the whole world, then your searching will not be wasted in finding out this truth.

Or you can simply read the brief description of this historical event in the Bible, as Moses recorded these events after first hand conversations with the Lord himself. For archelogically all the other places and events have been confirmed and substantiated, so why not the Flood and the Ark as well. And it has been by the science of geology. For the great sedementation you see today is from receeding of the Flood waters. And the fossilization that has remained occurred because the quick onslaught of the flood caught these animals and plants in conditions that could bring about fossilization and a record of the greatest geological devastation to ever hit the Earth.It makes sense scientifically and matches up with the true science we know now, except that much of today's false science rejects this historical fact and facts because they reject the reasons that brought on the Flood…. which was the rebellion of man against the Creator (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Jesusisthecreator.html).

It was seeming paradise before the Flood, as the whole world was enveloped in a water shield above that produced a true greenhouse effect below producing not only the Garden of Eden (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/LocationoftheGardenofEden.html) but a lush grassslands and tropical gardens from pole to pole. Temperatures were moderate only varying about two or three degrees and the Earth was not watered by rain previous to the Flood but only by a gentle mist. Conditions were perfect right from the start of the Lord's Creative Process. NO creatures evolved and no laws evolved into being, but all cycles and all animals and plants and all conditions for growth and multiplication were in place right from the beginning or 'Genesis'. (SEE Creation versus Evolution Board (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/CreationversusEvolution.html))

Yes, Adam and Eve were literal human beings and Noah was only the seventh generation after them. So when we acknowledge and understand our true roots from true science and archeology and gain an appreciation of our heritage, the more we can understand the world as it is today. For when we then then all other events including the future and Prophecy (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Prophecymysteries.html) will make more sense to us.

In my opinion from true history, archeology, sociology, scriptures and science

David (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Abouttheauthor.html)

Wrong.

Gord_in_Toronto

5th March 2007, 08:41 PM

Sorry, I meant to say:

WRONG

It's so much more convincing that way.

Taffer

5th March 2007, 10:02 PM

Sorry, I meant to say:

WRONG

It's so much more convincing that way.

Only if you have your own website.

Didn't you know you need a website to be correct?

Glen.Nogami

5th March 2007, 10:27 PM

But temprary delusion...

If only it were.

Davidjayjordan

6th March 2007, 08:24 AM

Foster Zygote

6th March 2007, 10:55 AM

Actually guys, because you can't connect up any truths, I don;t think you could honestly have a website because you would only have a HOME PAGE with your vivatar and maybe your belief system that you believe in nothing and have nothing and so can connect to nothing more.

But then again at least you would be honest and your ONE PAGE website would be finnished and completed in ONE HOUR.

PS) Note to self... these guys are really sensitive about their not having a website and wasting so much time talking about nothingness. But how will I or others ever get them focused to become true skeptics and gain ground and make progress. Hmmmmm ?

I doubt if these vocal ones will ever make it, because they continue to harder their hearts, but then again other readers may get the message and become real searchers and real thinkers and real helpers of others... regardless of whether they make a website or not. They can have living proof of their hearts desire to help others in real actions.

One thing is certain: You've proved that one can have pages and pages of material and still have nothing.

I know you like to tell yourself that atheists believe in nothing. It's a straw man that comforts you. But those words are very unlikely to actually sting many atheists. This is because they know that it is not true, you simply wish it to be true. Atheists don't believe in fairy tales. We do however believe in the real universe. I believe in my wife and son, my family and friends. I believe in making the world just a little bit better through my brief presence even if that just means instilling love and compassion in my son and making the people I know feel that their lives were better for having known me. I believe that the human species has a shot at long term evolution if we can mature socially. You claim all of this is "nothing". Yet if I were to believe in an undetectable, perfect, all powerful, all knowing being who none the less makes things that don't do what he intends thus becoming enraged, and intervenes in our lives in a manner indistinguishable from random chance that, to you, would be "something".

Davidjayjordan

6th March 2007, 11:08 AM

.

I know you like to tell yourself that atheists believe in nothing. (Plus a whole lot of luck and chance while negating anything they can;t see, and touch and feel)))

It's a straw man that comforts you. But those words are very unlikely to actually sting many atheists. This is because they know that it is not true, you simply wish it to be true. (((By their own words they speak of their religious belief in only what the governments tell them, at least the majority on this site, so espouse and love their religious god called their government)))

Atheists don't believe in fairy tales. (((Yet swallow hook, line and sinker every anti-conspiracy tale they are told and teach others to not be able to discern the lies they are fed)))) We do however believe in the real universe. (Ahh you speak for all athiests, I thought they were indepandant thinkers. yet as you admit they are iniform in denying everything and believing the same doctrine of nothingness and NO God, or any being superior to themselves.))) I believe in my wife and son, my family and friends. (((And yet nothing about the true invisable realm that science knows about. Do you use a radio, a T.V. a cell phone... so you see you do believe in the invisable as you see the results))))

I believe in making the world just a little bit better through my brief presence even if that just means instilling love and compassion in my son and making the people I know feel that their lives were better for having known me. (((Good for you, now you are talking and speraking about love. Good on ya... Just drop your religious belief system in nothing ness and going no where-ness)))

I believe that the human species has a shot at long term evolution if we can mature socially. (((You mean instant change not change over billions and trillions of years of random luck and chance mutations. Be consistent Foster, your statement is not consistent at all, it is by Christian CHOICE that the world can get better, by people choosing to show love and give love, not by waiting around for the non existant God of evolution to deliver us. We can;t wait millions of years for a beneficial mutation change and changes.))))

You claim all of this is "nothing". (((No your love part was a good start for a true religion... keep going with that thought))))

Yet if I were to believe in an undetectable, perfect, all powerful, all knowing being who none the less makes things that don't do what he intends thus becoming enraged, and intervenes in our lives in a manner indistinguishable from random chance that, to you, would be "something".
(((Nah He only allows choice and allows people to choose and hopes they choose wisely and only intervenes AFTERwards or when they have finnally chosen and have made up their minds against love. But if you are for love and caring and respect, Foster, you are on the right side and finnally have chosen wisely and from love can find a strong foundation.

A religion of love...

Jam 1:27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jam/Jam001.html#27) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.

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1Jo 4:7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=1Jo&chapter=4&verse=7&version=kjv#7)¶Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/k9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Jo/4/8.html)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/c9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=1Jo&chapter=4&verse=8&version=KJV#8)http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/l9.gif (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=1Jo&chapter=4&verse=8&version=KJV#8)
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1Jo 4:8 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=1Jo&chapter=4&verse=8&version=kjv#8)He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

So do invite me to your next meeting of the church of love Foster, and count me in as one of your members if love is your religion.

Davidjayjordan

6th March 2007, 11:12 AM

Back to prophecy.... as the Lord has dictated that because the AC shall demand compliance to Him, economically and religiously via military force and threat of beheading.

Almost all will accept Him and take His MARK.

So until the middle of the Last 7 years, seemingly dec 21, 2012 as the heathen realise...... until then there is choice, and after then the line has been drawn and it will be too late to switch over..

We are sealed by then, and the heathen and worldly will have been sealed with their MARK.

The lines will have been drawn.... and so those for love will have to choose the God of love..JESUS rather than the AC and His god of War...

Hokulele

6th March 2007, 11:23 AM

In 2002 you declared the time-line ran from 2002 until 2009. Now, you've shifted to things starting in 2009 with the ultimate finale in 2016.

Why the two completely different versions?

The two time-line prophecies were yours, and yours alone, and were for exactly the same seven year chain of events.

So, were you completely wrong then, but right now? Or, were you right then, and completely wrong now?

DJJ, please answer jsfisher's question. Do you not understand the question?

So until the middle of the Last 7 years, seemingly dec 21, 2012...

Seemingly? You don't know? I predict that in 2012, DJJ will change his prediction to 2018.

Tanstaafl

6th March 2007, 11:27 AM

To paraphrase Ron White:

You can't fix crazy.

Foster Zygote

6th March 2007, 11:53 AM

To paraphrase Ron White:

You can't fix crazy.

So there's not much hope for making a dent in bats**t insane.

Foster Zygote

6th March 2007, 11:56 AM

DJJ, please answer jsfisher's question. Do you not understand the question?

Seemingly? You don't know? I predict that in 2012, DJJ will change his prediction to 2018.

You might as well ask him what the theory of uniformitarianism states, or where the Earth/moon barycenter is, or just how far away the moon is.

Foster Zygote

6th March 2007, 12:13 PM

And yet nothing about the true invisable realm that science knows about. Do you use a radio, a T.V. a cell phone... so you see you do believe in the invisable as you see the results.
Note the part I've bolded. Invisible is not the same as undetectable. Sound is invisible but we hear it. A methanol fire is almost invisible in bright light be we can sure as Hell feel it. Please point to the place where I stated I don't believe in the invisible.

But if you are for love and caring and respect, Foster, you are on the right side and finnally have chosen wisely and from love can find a strong foundation.
You warn us of organized religion yet you sound just like every other preacher I've ever heard or read. Especially in the way you assert yourself as the authority who can pronounce someone wise or foolish. In the end though, like most any preacher, you're just grooving to the sound of your own words.

P.S. You only need one set of parentheses at a time (like this). Or is there some secret message for the true skeptics hidden in their multiple use (((like some sort of Bible code))))? Just askin;.

sackett

6th March 2007, 12:18 PM

The other day I was in our local hardware store. A clerk was carrying an open box of stove bolts. He stumbled and dropped the box. I never saw so many loose screws in my life!

Until I met DJJ.

temporalillusion

6th March 2007, 01:14 PM

Temporary Illusion, I know like the scribes and pharisees you ask a question in an attempt not for truth but to try and make an accussation.

So you understand the concept of source credibility, and you can see a blatant attempt to show that you make stuff up as you go.

Which means you aren't crazy. And it means you aren't being honest in trying to impart some truth. That makes you a simple, run of the mill, troll.

Taffer

6th March 2007, 01:18 PM

Foster Zygote

6th March 2007, 04:12 PM

Ahh you speak for all athiests, I thought they were indepandant thinkers.

How is the declaration that atheists believe in nothing not speaking for all atheists? Something ironic about motes and logs comes to mind. But if you'd like we can conduct a survey and ask the atheists on this forum whether they believe in nothing or the real universe.

yet as you admit they are iniform in denying everything
Wtf are you talking about? Do Bhuddists deny everything? How about people who just deny Christ.

and believing the same doctrine of nothingness and NO God, or any being superior to themselves.
Other than the words I've bolded you are wrong. This is just stuff you make up to comfort yourself.

Gord_in_Toronto

6th March 2007, 05:01 PM

Back to prophecy.... as the Lord has dictated that because the AC shall demand compliance to Him, economically and religiously via military force and threat of beheading.

Parsing. Parsing. Parsing. Parsing.

Subject? Object? Verb? Noun? Voun? Nerb?

Who takes the Lord's dictation? Does he have a secretary? Is it the Archie Angel Gabriel?

Are you sure it AC? Maybe it's DC. About 1,5 volts I predict (see we all can predict).

If AC (or DC) demands compliance, can I ask him to fill out the appropriate forms or will he religiously behead me? Inquiring minds want to know? Do you have one of your incoherent web pages that will further confuse us in this regard?

Well, as long as it is done economically, I guess our taxes won't go up.

Almost all will accept Him and take His MARK.

Aren't they Euros now?

So until the middle of the Last 7 years, seemingly dec 21, 2012 as the heathen realise...... until then there is choice, and after then the line has been drawn and it will be too late to switch over..

No I j u s t can't do it. What the h*ll are you blathering about?

We are sealed by then, and the heathen and worldly will have been sealed with their MARK.

"We are sealed"? You mean someone will sneak up to us on an ice flow and hit us on the head with a sharp stick? I guess there is an upside to Global Warming after all.

The lines will have been drawn.... and so those for love will have to choose the God of love..JESUS rather than the AC and His god of War...

But if the lines are drawn in circles will Pythagoras with his magic geometry leap out of a cake and save us? And, if not, why not?

:boggled:

Foster Zygote

6th March 2007, 05:52 PM

Parsing. Parsing. Parsing. Parsing.

Subject? Object? Verb? Noun? Voun? Nerb?

I remember the Simpsons episode in which Bart writes "INSERT BRAIN HERE" on the back of Homer's head and the family laughs. Then Homer says "What? What's so funny? I want to see" and he starts twisting around trying to look at the back of his own skull as the family begins to laugh more. Then Homer ends up on the floor spinning around in circles, huffing and puffing desperately as he tries to see what Bart has written and the family's laughter fades away to be replaced by a very uncomfortable silence as Homer still continues to spin frantically around on the floor making desperate noises.

Taffer

6th March 2007, 06:19 PM

David, I don't think you really know what athiesm is. Here, I'll even tell you, at least what kind of athiest I am.

I do not believe in a god.

Do you understand how this is different from believing in no god?

Björn Toulouse

6th March 2007, 06:32 PM

Do you honestly think anyone here cares if we 'fail' you precious 'challenge'?

The funny thing was him being unable to pass his own challenge.

jsfisher

6th March 2007, 06:35 PM

The funny thing was him being unable to pass his own challenge.
...twice, in fact.

Taffer

6th March 2007, 06:40 PM

That must be why he's so upset! ;)

mylfmyhnr

6th March 2007, 07:44 PM

jsfisher

6th March 2007, 07:48 PM

By the way, mylfmyhnr, welcome to the forums.

mylfmyhnr

6th March 2007, 07:51 PM

By the way, mylfmyhnr, welcome to the forums.
Thanks! I've been wandering through the last week or so and finally decided it was time to get my feet wet, so to speak:)

~enigma~

6th March 2007, 08:07 PM

Wrong, evolution demands that its congregation believe nothing happenned after its Big BangHere is my prophecy, listen if you have ears...

There will come a great realization among men (and women) that David J Jordan knows nothing about evolution, abiogenesis or the big bang.

Do I win the challenge?

CapelDodger

6th March 2007, 08:11 PM

I remember the Simpsons episode in which Bart writes "INSERT BRAIN HERE" on the back of Homer's head and the family laughs. Then Homer says "What? What's so funny? I want to see" and he starts twisting around trying to look at the back of his own skull as the family begins to laugh more. Then Homer ends up on the floor spinning around in circles, huffing and puffing desperately as he tries to see what Bart has written and the family's laughter fades away to be replaced by a very uncomfortable silence as Homer still continues to spin frantically around on the floor making desperate noises.
Quite. Only the illuminated get that, though. The disilluminated think Homer represents the rational world. The audience know what Bart wrote, they don't have to spin around like scientists trying to find out :rolleyes: .

~enigma~

6th March 2007, 08:13 PM

For then all must take the mARK, all true skeptics and false skeptics BOTH or they must die.. or they must join the 144,000 in the wilderness.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/AbominationofDesolation.html

Do you even know what the 144000 are? If you supposedly believe in the bible why are you rewriting Revelation? You are what the Tanach calls a false prophet and it prescribes a fairly specific punishment you might enjoy :)

Tirdun

7th March 2007, 10:53 AM

DJJ:

I have a number of websites, that being one part of my job. Some of them even use bold lettering. I must warn you that using huge blocks of bold is counterproductive, in that a bold sentence or word is an attention getter while a big block is less effective than standard font. At best it tells the audience that nothing in your block is any more important than anything else. At worse it reveals that you know nothing about formatting for effect or forgot to close a tag.

After perusing your disjointed, malformed site I must confess that it is of no informative value and exists only to amuse. I also conclude that this is unintentional because parody sites almost always reach for extreme ends of the hideous <-> beautiful and sparse <-> cluttered spectra.

Your claim that units of time are divinely inspired based on Imperial units of land measurement themselves devised in the pagan Roman Empire was particularly enjoyable.

sackett

7th March 2007, 12:08 PM

Gord_in_Toronto

7th March 2007, 04:58 PM

Davidjayjordan

7th March 2007, 07:35 PM

I've been to DJJ's site twice now, clicking and hunting and getting increasingly baffled: I can't figure out what he's selling.

DJJ, do you have any books, CDs, lotions, salves, or other products that one might wish to buy?

Why YES I do, have a central product

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan//Jesus.html

But with your atitude is understandable that you are baffled. But if you were honest and had some courage and sincerity you wouldn;t be baffled

Davidjayjordan

7th March 2007, 07:38 PM

Davidjayjordan

7th March 2007, 07:41 PM

Do you even know what the 144000 are? If you supposedly believe in the bible why are you rewriting Revelation? You are what the Tanach calls a false prophet and it prescribes a fairly specific punishment you might enjoy :)

All true prophets were called false prophets by worldfly types like yourself, so that is hardly an indictment until the Lord calls someone a false prophet. And that is usually reserved to the Peace and safety types who love the system and swallow their lies like false skeptics.

False Prophets of 'Peace and Safety'

There is nothing as slimy as mockers that try to degrade true prophecy with their sneering remarks and comments, that nothing is going to happen to shatter their world. They pretend that their lives will go on without interruption until the day they die. And believe it or not, they can be atheists, agnostics and even so-called religious people. For anyone in any of these groups can try and negate all of the Lord's prophecy in their minds, nevertheless the world will change and more and more so as we get closer to the end.

But let's go over the scriptures that absolutely proof that these soothsayers of 'peace and comfort' are not just devoid but outright 'false prophets'.....with my comments in .... (...)

2 Peter 3:3-7 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the Last Days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the 'Fathers' fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (SEE Jesus confirmed Noah and the Flood (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/JesusconfirmedNoahandtheFlood.html)) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

(Exactly as before the Flood, people mocked Noah for building the Ark and yet the Flood did come..)

Mathew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the Ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

(But the heathen and false religionists that worship this world and their supposed positions of authority in it, don't want to be warned, and don't want to hear about the the Lord's Prophecy (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Prophecymysteries.html), but prefer the prophecies from their false prophets, and devoid economists, and lying politicians. For they are ....)

Isaiah 30:9-10 .... A rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

I Thessalonians 5 1-6 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

(Yes, because the day of the Lord and the events of the Last Days (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html) don't take us by surprise, it takes the heathen and the religious doubters by surprise.)

Jeremiah 8: 10b - 15 For every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD. I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade; and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them. Why do we sit still? assemble yourselves, and let us enter into the defenced cities, and let us be silent there: for the LORD our God hath put us to silence, and given us water of gall to drink, because we have sinned against the LORD. We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble!

(Yes, they expect peace and a nice continuation of their lives, but it will be interrupted by plagues, famines, earthquakes, wars and fears that will reach them reach them where ever they are in the world. And yet they shall not cease from mocking the word of the Lord and His prophecy)

Ezekiel 12:21-25 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.

(And so it could't be expressed more clearly than how the Lord through Ezekiel just spoke, as His Vision and his Consummation of His Plan will Not be prolonged even though the False Prophets shall be prophesying 'Peace and Safety' to the world. So let the mockers mock, and let them believe the lies of the enemy, if they choose, because it will not stop the judgments of God from descending upon the whole Earth in the Last Days. See Revelation Timeline (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Revelation.html) )

Proverbs 11:21 Though hand join in hand, (and even join together and declare war on the Lord's people) the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

(Amen, so it is written and so it shall happen !!)

According to scriptures

David Jay Jordan

Davidjayjordan

7th March 2007, 07:44 PM

Do you even know what the 144000 are? If you supposedly believe in the bible why are you rewriting Revelation? You are what the Tanach calls a false prophet and it prescribes a fairly specific punishment you might enjoy :)

The worldly Christian church has rewritten the Lord's word and deems Jews who don't believe in the Messiah as the 144,000, but obvious;y that is a ludicrous misinterpretation.... and the Jews love to have mislead the church Christians.

Only 144,000

There will only be 144,000 Christians surviving and fighting during the tribulation Period as prophesied by Daniel. For as much as I have fought the idea of only 144,000 as elitism, exclusivism or whatever you want to call it, more and more facts seem to indicate that NO there are only 144,000 that are chosen by the Lord in the Tribulation. For the the Revelation (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/RevelationsTimeline.html) of Jesus Christ distinctly says, there are 144,000 of the twelve tribes of obedient spiritual Israel sealed (Rev 7) ...(Of course many can be confused right here in the beginning by thinking these are political, natural born, flesh and blood Israeli's many ofwhom have rejected the Messianship and the Lamb, Jesus Christ, but if they can get beyond the replacement doctrine that switched the blessings reserved for obedient spiritual Israel to those that reject the Lord, and those that are nationalistic, they have a chance at discernment)

For only heart not flesh is the qualification for entry into the Lord's fold as so many verses and the Spirit tell us. Similarly we must also remember that Christians that haven't been raptured before the Covenant signing at the start of Daniel's Last Seven Years (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html) and those not Raptured (because none are) in the middle of the seven years are still going to be around although totally unprepared as the ones before Noah's flood, and those virgins unprepared with Spirit in their lamps.)

So if the angel of Revelations 7 hasn't put the Seal of YHWH (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/SealedConnection.html) or God on our forehead, we are definitely in trouble, as we have absolutely no protection from the God - created instruments of judgment described in the 5th and 6th trumpets of the Great Tribulation. People can survive the first four one-third strength natural disasters if fortunate to be living in the right place, but they will not evade these insect monsters that literally arise and torment those on EARTH that are not protected with the SEAL of God. This isn't fantasy, or spiritual, but actual real life events. Besides if the angel seals us we are brethren and an instant sisterhood, because the Lord has selected us not some church or denomination. He selects, He chooses those that have chosen Him or who He knows would love Him if given a chance even if they are Of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or New Age heritage. Anyone searching for the truth will find the Truth in Jesus (Yeshua) for He is fair (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/LordisFair.html) and just IMO. and He will include any Jew, or any Christian, or any Muslim that accepts Him.

. Anyway, we can escape the first four plagues sent down to the Earth, by our 2 prophets because we go to the wilderness and these first four are more local in their destruction rather than worldwide like number 5 and 6. But there is no middle ground, either you have the seal or you don't. If you have it, you are into the lord's encampment if you don't you are out. No trial period, no fill out a question form, we will test you etc. etc., if the Lord seals someone, they are our brethren and we better treat them right. (No racism no sexism, only love and equality)

Besides, anyone that doesn't take the Mark of the BEAST will only last a few months at best I reckon. Wayward Christians unprepared may hide out a while but eventually they will have to eat, and be forced to get the damnable MARK. Why is it damnable, because it sends the bearer to Hell, and literally dams them. Unsubmissive Muslims, (Allah bless them for not yielding to the Evil man) may also hold out a while, but if they don't yield they obviously will be obliterated. Similiarly surely a few of our Jewish brethren will not want to worship a mere man (but Dragon or devil possessed) and may decide not to yield, they also will be murdered (Rev 13, Dan ) but they won't last long. (even though I would assume they would have a spiritual reward for resisting)

But why ONLY 144,000, because Jesus didn't say there would be millions and billions of His sheep in the End-Time, only 1,000's (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Thousandsnotmillions.html)He asked would there be faith on Earth when He returned, and by his answer it seems like very little. Again He said, "straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth to life but FEW find it." We may wish there were millions of us and do everything we possibly can to reach others and new people outside the supposed circle of believers, but the Lord (and even Ezra in his book Esdras) says FEW.I mean in Daniel , it says the A.C. even destroys the power of the Holy people and even eventually kills our two prophets. So we may start out with 144,000, but it is obvious we all don't make it to the End (See Dead Sea Scrolls Sons of Light Sons of darkness War Scrolls) because we are literally fighting for our survival as the A.C. has declared War on us, even though we have some protection like the original Children of God in the wilderness. We have to do our part and fight, defend ourselves, contend for the faith, together not individually in every far flung field.

We are gathered together and actually have the Tabernacle, Ark (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ArkandTabernacle.html) and Spirit of YHWH, without it we wouldn't last more than a few days in the wilderness. If we are directed to eventually go to Petr (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FleeingtoPetra.html)a, 144,000 can easily fit within its walls, whereas millions and millions wouldn't. And again as our Lord and literal Saviour from the A.C. said, For as in the days Of Noah so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Mathew 24) Noah knew Decades before the Flood, and we also have been warned decades before the latter Day Rain that floods the ungodly. So we will have to gather to survive, we have to have an Ark, and from 2 Maccabies 2, it appears we do have one for our protection, as it has been stored away for our use in the ENDTIME.

For as in the days of Noah when the Lord saved 8 people from the world's population, if only 144,000 are saved today in the End out of 6,000,000 or so living souls, that ratio would be about 1 in 40,000. And this is consistent with the projecting population of about 333,000 people who lived on the Earth back in Noah's day, the seventh generation after Adam and Eve. (SEE Adam to the Flood (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ForeFathersGraphic.html)). Ha and again it is interesting to note that the Lord's Millennium Temple as spoken about in Ezekiel 41, its huge court yard could just fit in 144,000 worshippers with standing or kneeling room space of approximately 22 inches square. And when you consider that the Lord shall be taking us to petra during the Tribulation, its area could easily handle the Lord's 144,000. (SEE Fleeing to Petra (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FleeingtoPetra.html) & Pics of Petra (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/GeographyandPicsofPetra.html))

So according to the preponderance of scriptures and from real life experiences, I am now, convinced more than ever that there will be only 144,000 that the Lord will seal of all nationalities, tongues, tribes, and races to compose his New Nation of Believers that is born in a day and becomes His BRIDE (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Sheshallbecalled.html) during the upcoming Great Tribulation (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html). And when you read what Ezra, the High Priest also said about the 'Thousands and not Millions (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Thousandsnotmillions.html)' of believers, it makes what Jesus said about 'Strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leaadeth to life and FEW therebe that find it' make even more sense. So maybe there are fewrer of us, than we thought and we truly do have to seek to find the 'lost sheep' of the house of Spiritual Israel.

In His Service . . . . Jordan (Jay)

Write me at Davidjayjordan@yahoo.com

Written in 1997
For further proofs consider
144,000 in Great Pyramid (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/144000inPyramid.html) written in 2005