What would happen to me if...

[jesus_freak]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.

[Ryokan]

Not much. Except you'd have to live with it.

Not fair, I know, but that's how things are, and no wishful thinking makes it otherwise.

Edit:

Question right back at you! What would happen if the same person repented what he did, and asked Jesus for forgiveness?

[skeptifem]

huh? whats the point of this?


I guess you could just repent, god forgives everyone, even scum!

[jesus_freak]

huh? whats the point of this?


I guess you could just repent, god forgives everyone, even scum!

I think I made the point pretty clear...I am interested to see other views or beliefs and how they respond to an act like this.

[jesus_freak]

Question right back at you! What would happen if the same person repented what he did, and asked Jesus for forgiveness?
Well first of all if he repented and asked Jesus for forgiveness I think he would turn himself in and face the punishment here on earth...And yes Christ will forgive even a crime like this,but I am more interested on how other religions or beliefs answer this.

[cyborg]

In order to get over the inherent unfairness of life I would create a fantasy of perfect justice where the wrongdoer is punished and the victim is rewarded. I could then go about my daily business and pretend that the universe is ultimately fair and gives a crap about us.

[Ryokan]

In order to get over the inherent unfairness of life I would create a fantasy of perfect justice where the wrongdoer is punished and the victim is rewarded. I could then go about my daily business and pretend that the universe is ultimately fair and gives a crap about us.

I love you.

[jesus_freak]

In order to get over the inherent unfairness of life I would create a fantasy of perfect justice where the wrongdoer is punished and the victim is rewarded. I could then go about my daily business and pretend that the universe is ultimately fair and gives a crap about us. Intersting and what belief do you follow, thanks

[cyborg]

JF, I think it's pretty clear.

Life is unfair. There is absolutely nothing I can do about this.

If no one is caught then that is one type of pain.

If someone is caught then that is another type.

If the wrong man is caught - and I ever know about it (you are not specific) - then that might be another again.

At the end of the day that little girl ain't going to get unraped and unkilled.

[Freethinker]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.

You would be a worthless piece of %^&*, you would know it and have to live with it every day of your life. The ultimate punishment, IMO.

[Freethinker]

In order to get over the inherent unfairness of life I would create a fantasy of perfect justice where the wrongdoer is punished and the victim is rewarded. I could then go about my daily business and pretend that the universe is ultimately fair and gives a crap about us.

:bigclap

[Stupendous Man]

What would happen? Nothing. You would get away with it, and many lives would have been upset by it.
Why do you ask? What do you expect would happen?

[cyborg]

You would be a worthless piece of %^&*, you would know it and have to live with it every day of your life. The ultimate punishment, IMO.

Freethinker, that assumes everyone thinks in the same way. The reality is that there are not just people who could execute the proposed scenario, but they would enjoy it and relish the memory and getting away with it.

[Lonewulf]

If the rapist dies and nothing happens, and there is no afterlife... what's it matter? He's gone. Punishment doesn't mean anything at that point. Much less ETERNAL TORTURE by a God that supposedly "loves" us. The point of punishment is to teach a lesson, NOT to inflict harm and pain out of spite.

When Jesus mentioned "Hellfire" in his sermon on the mount, it seemed like he was just making an analogy, and did not truly mean eternal torture, anyways.

Besides, what's the point of loving your enemies if you want them to suffer for all eternity?

Either way, I say that "nothing" is the best response of all. If I die and I cease to exist, then I really don't care. And if a horrible man (by society's standards) dies and ceases to exist, then he ceases to be able to do any other harm. Seems to be better than some idea of Divine Judgement.

[hubbub2]

GOD WILL SEND YOU STAIGHT TO <Rule 8> IN A HANDBASKET!!

Oh, wait a minute, Jesus died on the cross for your sins, so you're already forgiven (He said with dripping sarcasm).

Move along...nothing to see here.

[Beleth]

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.
And you think that those who don't believe in an after-life judgment do?

[Lonewulf]

And you think that those who don't believe in an after-life judgment do?

No, he doesn't. He's trying to bring up an emotional plea to try to convert us heathens by wanting us to feel a sense of justice in the world.

[rjh01]

The OP assumes that you did the crime as a once-off thing. But the temptation would be to do it again and again until you got caught.

This depends on why you did it in the first place. If you had a strong motive for doing it in the first place then you would very likely to be caught.

[fuelair]

huh? whats the point of this?


I guess you could just repent, god forgives everyone, even scum!


That's why I don't believe in it - and if proof of its' existence were found, would be compelled to hunt down and try to kill it. (No smilies)

[Orangutan]

As long as you have accepted Jesus You'll be fine, So long as you don't "speak against the Holy Spirit", That's the only unforgivable sin.

[skeptifem]

I think I made the point pretty clear...I am interested to see other views or beliefs and how they respond to an act like this.


lol you took me seriously.... ? :boggled:


what would happen is you wouldnt get caught.... I dont see how things can really expand beyond that without more imput from you. What happens....... ? after you would die? during your lifetime? what are you getting at?

[Ladewig]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.



I would be saddened beyond words. Perhaps my spirit would be crushed. I am unsure if I would ever recover from the pain.

Do you have a point?

[c4ts]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.

Realistically, you couldn't last long.

[alfaniner]

Dude. You would be caught. If not by the law, then by me. The law is not as interested in pursuing any incident to the end as the people that it affects.

And I would take a razor blade and saw your nuts off and put them in your mouth. How's that for a visual?

A*****e.

Do not use alternative spelling to get around the auto-censor.

[temporalillusion]

Well first of all if he repented and asked Jesus for forgiveness I think he would turn himself in and face the punishment here on earth...And yes Christ will forgive even a crime like this,but I am more interested on how other religions or beliefs answer this.

What if there was no punishment for the crime? So no punishment, and the sin is forgiven, so zero justice for the act? That hardly seems just...

[fuelair]

Dude. You would be caught. If not by the law, then by me. The law is not as interested in pursuing any incident to the end as the people that it affects.

And I would take a razor blade and saw your nuts off and put them in your mouth. How's that for a visual?

Azsshole.

You are much too gentle. I see that as the beginning of a truly educational experience. A time-consuming really, really educational experience. But then I believe in justice in preference to law.

[Taffer]

I love you.

Get in line, mate. :D

[Lonewulf]

You are much too gentle. I see that as the beginning of a truly educational experience. A time-consuming really, really educational experience. But then I believe in justice in preference to law.

I don't believe that "justice" should be about revenge and torture...

But I'm weird like that. I seem to be in the minority.

When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? -- Eleanor Roosevelt

[logical muse]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...

JF, that's a pretty sick scenario to conjure up just because you want to make some sort of point. Is that the kind of thing you like to discuss?

I cannot help but feel disgusted. Perhaps I should view this dispassionately for the sake of discussion, but I'm afraid i can't.

You think that it's only fear of eternal damnation that prevents people from committing such atrocities, and that atheists are to be feared because nothing holds them back from these acts.

It might be your reason, but it's not mine.

I'm finding it very difficult to not say **** off.

[H3LL]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.


I would say that kidnap, beating, rape and murder are all sanctioned in the bible so it must be OK and forgivable if I was a xian.

As an atheist, I think kidnap, beating, rape and murder can never be sanctioned in a civilised society and would expect every effort to be expended to capture the monster.

.

[Piscivore]

What would happen to me if I were to forego stoning my disobedient child because I was too busy eating pork and shellfish Jambalaya in a cream stock off the body of a leperous homosexual prostitute in order to summon a familiar spirit on the Sabbath?

[Zep]

I would say that kidnap, beating, rape and murder are all sanctioned in the bible so it must be OK and forgivable if I was a xian.Plus a whole lot of other actions that we consider crimes today. For example, giving your daughters as sexual playthings to strangers to pacify them, incest and inbreeding, forced slavery, genocide, and more. Not only does the Xtian god move in mysterious ways, he moves in uncaring, brutal and bloodthirsty ways. And that's just according to his own authorised memoirs, JF! Don't believe me? Go look it up, dude.


As an atheist, I think kidnap, beating, rape and murder can never be sanctioned in a civilised society and would expect every effort to be expended to capture the monster.JF, were you expecting a different answer? Are we playing according to your sect's script yet?

[SimonD]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.

JF, I fail to see the point you are trying to make. Not only are all these crimes in the Bible, but are even sanctioned by God (in a given context).

[This Guy]

What would happen to me if I were to forego stoning my disobedient child because I was too busy eating pork and shellfish Jambalaya in a cream stock off the body of a leperous homosexual prostitute in order to summon a familiar spirit on the Sabbath?

Don't know about you, but I think I'd be throwing up :boggled:

[Ladewig]

What would happen to me if I were to forego stoning my disobedient child because I was too busy eating pork and shellfish Jambalaya in a cream stock off the body of a leperous homosexual prostitute in order to summon a familiar spirit on the Sabbath?

Well played.

[LibraryLady]

What would happen if I came into a million dollars and decided to donate it anonymously to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. No one would know it was me, ever.

Probably the same thing that would happen to the child rapist/killer, but I'd get a little glow everytime someone talked about it.

It's called a mitzvah--doing a good act without thanks or reward.

[kedo1981]

What would happen if the little girl who lets say is 12, had up to this point been a devout christain and had a true faith but in the course of your torturous act she denies God

[jesus_freak]

Wow it is quite apparent that some people here do not understand that there are different covenants in the Bible, and what we are currently under is the NEW covenant thanks to Jesus Christ! It may be possible that you know this but like to continue to bring up the same old arguments.

[cyborg]

JF, we are well aware. However the claims that the new convenant invalidate the old law are not conclusive.

[Beleth]

Wow it is quite apparent that some people here do not understand that there are different covenants in the Bible, and what we are currently under is the NEW covenant thanks to Jesus Christ!
It's a new covenant but none of the old laws have changed. Matthew 5:18.

It may be possible that you know this but like to believe that maybe we don't.

[jesus_freak]

Right all the laws that Jesus didn't fulfill still remain

[cyborg]

Another common apology.

Please JF, think a little. Do you really think you're saying anything that we have not heard before? You are being naive and foolish if you think we have not.

[DangerousBeliefs]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

It would mean that your obviously defective genetic code isn't going to be passed on and therefore humanity as a whole benefits.

Followup question: You rape and kill, repent and ask Jesus to forgive you.... and go to heaven (according to you). What about the atheist who lived his life as a "good" person but considers Jesus a fraud and God a concept of a delusional mind. Does the atheist go to hell?

[jesus_freak]

Please JF, think a little. Do you really think you're saying anything that we have not heard before? You are being naive and foolish if you think we have not.
I see you have resorted back to name calling...if you have heard these points before why do you continue to bring up the same questions...Are you hoping I was gonna say"wow you are right and atheism is the true answer I am no longer a Christian...you win"?

[jesus_freak]

What about the atheist who lived his life as a "good" person
Sorry there are no good people when judged by God's law...as I said earlier same points over and over... but yet when I answer it someone will say "do you think we didn't know that...why do you keep repeating yourself?"

[DangerousBeliefs]

Sorry there are no good people when judged by God's law...as I said earlier same points over and over... but yet when I answer it someone will say "do you think we didn't know that...why do you keep repeating yourself?"

So, a rapist and murderer who repents is rewarded?

And an atheist who commits no harm is punished?

What about the little girl? She doesn't believe in God either, she also goes to hell?

And you don't see why there is a growing number of people who -stop- believing in the Bible?

[jesus_freak]

So, a rapist and murderer who repents is rewarded?

And an atheist who never commits no harm is punished?

What about the little girl? She doesn't believe in God either, she also goes to hell?

And you don't see why there is a growing number of people who -stop- believing in the Bible?
yes.......yes(if he could exist)....depends....no

[cyborg]

I see you have resorted back to name calling...

No.

I will suggest you go back and carefully read what I actually said. I will then suggest that you are not so quick to look for injury.

if you have heard these points before why do you continue to bring up the same questions...

That does not follow.

Are you hoping I was gonna say"wow you are right and atheism is the true answer I am no longer a Christian...you win"?

Well, what do you hope to achieve?

At the moment I think the best we can hope for you is to get beyond your Church rhetoric and need to find websites that say what you want them to say and get you to think for yourself. You will find people will respond better to you if it is clear that you are not engaged in this sort of argument by proxy.

[DangerousBeliefs]

yes.......yes(if he could exist)....depends....no

So, let me get this perfectly straight... those who do not accept JC as their lord... they all go to Hell?

Before JC, those who didn't follow the Jewish God went to Hell?

Today at least 2/3s of the world population go to Hell and before JC, over 9/10ths of the world population went to Hell.

So, the vast majority of those who ever lived are in Hell, being punished, often never having known the Jewish God/JC God existed?

Seems kind of silly to me. You're a silly person.

[fuelair]

It's a new covenant but none of the old laws have changed. Matthew 5:18.

It may be possible that you know this but like to believe that maybe we don't.

Love the latest avatar!!!!!:D :D :D :D

[FaisonMars]

It's a new covenant but none of the old laws have changed. Matthew 5:18.

It may be possible that you know this but like to believe that maybe we don't.

Hebrews 8:7-13 declares the old covenant obsolete. The difference here is that Jesus was strictly Jewish, whereas Paul was trying to turn Christianity into a religion for Gentiles. Hence the new Covenant that splits off from Judaism.

It's always seemed to me that Christians should really be called "Paulians."

[Foster Zygote]

So, a rapist and murderer who repents is rewarded?

And an atheist who commits no harm is punished?

What about the little girl? She doesn't believe in God either, she also goes to hell?

And you don't see why there is a growing number of people who -stop- believing in the Bible?

yes.......
So you raping and murdering a little girl isn't actually a sin, yes? It seems pretty obvious that if you got away with it until you died that your reward/punishment from God would depend entirely upon your acceptance of Jesus as your savior. You committing rape and murder is irrelevant because you make it clear that a compassionate person who dies a non Christian will be sent by God to Hell for all eternity, even if that kindly person spent a lifetime protecting innocent children from the likes of child rapist/murderers. Ultimately, the only "sin" anyone will ever suffer God's punishment for is rejection/ignorance of Christ.

yes(if he could exist)....
Seeing your bigotry puts things into a clearer perspective for me. Thank you. Your assertion that an atheist who doesn't harm people cannot exist is right up there with the belief that a Jew who isn't money grubbing cannot exist or the belief that a woman who isn't emotionally frail as well as inferior to men cannot exist. There is no creator god in Bhuddism. Can a Bhuddist who is a good person exist?

depends....
On what, pray tell? From everything else you've stated it depends on whether she's a Christian. Does God give a pass to the very young? If so, what if the girl was considered old enough to "know better" by God? Let's say she was 15 years old. If she was a Hindu would God say "Sorry Jesus Freak raped and murdered you but it gets worse. You worshiped false gods so it's off to Hell with you. Oh, and by the way, the guy who tortured, terrorized and raped you and then slit your throat and threw you in a dumpster is going to accept Christ on his death bed so he'll be coming to Heaven".

no
You're right. How could we not see the truth and justice of your god?

[Lonewulf]

Jesus Freak -- do you believe in Purgatory?

Or is it all or nothing?

What is hell like? Is it like Dante's version in "The Inferno"?

If so, which level would the little girl go to?

[Ossai]

jesus_freak
Right all the laws that Jesus didn't fulfill still remain Hate to break this to you, but Jesus isn’t the messiah. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies and is even excluded from the Davidic lineage.

Ossai

[Taffer]

jesus_freak
Hate to break this to you, but Jesus isn’t the messiah. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies and is even excluded from the Davidic lineage.

Ossai

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

[Beleth]

Right all the laws that Jesus didn't fulfill still remain

1) No. All the laws still remain. Matthew 5:18.

2) "Fulfill" is not a verb that goes in a meaningful way with the word "law".

It's like "startle" and "honor", for instance. You can say that your honor got startled but it doesn't mean anything.

Please clarify what you meant.

[fuelair]

So, let me get this perfectly straight... those who do not accept JC as their lord... they all go to Hell?

Before JC, those who didn't follow the Jewish God went to Hell?

Today at least 2/3s of the world population go to Hell and before JC, over 9/10ths of the world population went to Hell.

So, the vast majority of those who ever lived are in Hell, being punished, often never having known the Jewish God/JC God existed?

Seems kind of silly to me. You're a silly person.
Or his dog is !:D

[fuelair]

I don't believe that "justice" should be about revenge and torture...

But I'm weird like that. I seem to be in the minority.

When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? -- Eleanor Roosevelt

Missed this - it is nice that you can feel that way and I truly hope nothing ever happens to you, a relative, friend or loved one that changes your mind about it.
Mine started purely from reading (about the Holocaust specifically - which may be one of the reasons anti-Semitism never darkened my mind) and realizing that hanging slime who had been responsible for the direct torture and murder of millions simply wasn't fair. Fair (justice) is them suffering for each of the victims and hopefully as long as all of their victims suffered. I feel the same about anyone engaged in violent crime who creates victims - with special concern for children.

If it were possible to find all those who would commit violent crime and we had the ability to pre-repair them, I would be happy to go that way (re: your E.R. quote) - but I have not seen any results on that end of the process so.....

[bruto]

So I'm still trying to figure out the point of this thread. Probably pointless to try.

Are we supposed to guess what your point is and make it for you?

My best guess on the question "what would happen:"

"All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath." And after that, it's anybody's guess.

[bignickel]

yes(if he could exist)
Now who's name-calling?

[bruto]

yes.......yes(if he could exist)....depends....no

A child being raped and murdered doubts god in her extremity. On what does the sentence of eternal damnation by a benevolent and loving god depend?

Any god that has to think about that one is a [insert flagrant violation of rule 8 here] and as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell.

[Lonewulf]

Missed this - it is nice that you can feel that way and I truly hope nothing ever happens to you, a relative, friend or loved one that changes your mind about it.

So do I. Trust me, so do I.

Mine started purely from reading (about the Holocaust specifically - which may be one of the reasons anti-Semitism never darkened my mind) and realizing that hanging slime who had been responsible for the direct torture and murder of millions simply wasn't fair. Fair (justice) is them suffering for each of the victims and hopefully as long as all of their victims suffered. I feel the same about anyone engaged in violent crime who creates victims - with special concern for children.

But to me, that's needless suffering. There's a logical reason to kill them, as they are definitely a harm to others. However, there's always a reason that people do harm to others. And sometimes it is actually a perceived form of "revenge" or "justice". Just that people's views of "revenge" and "justice" (as well as morality) are, in the end, relative.

Remember: The Holocaust was, in the end, an act of revenge, an act of justice, and an act to try to make society "better". Jews were seen as part of the cause of Germany's defeat in WWI, and were also seem as a major detriment of society, and the Germans wanted their revenge. Not to mention to "cleanse" society of the "filth" that made it worse. (Note: This is not my personal PoV, I'm talking from the PoV of the nazi leaders)

Some seem to think that "justice" and "mercy" don't mix. I'd take mercy over justice any day. Just logical mercy. I would not set free a serial killer, for instance, unless I was at least 99.9% sure he wouldn't kill again. Which is unlikely.

If it were possible to find all those who would commit violent crime and we had the ability to pre-repair them, I would be happy to go that way (re: your E.R. quote) - but I have not seen any results on that end of the process so.....

But punishing them after the crime shouldn't be out of a false sense of "revenge", but with the purpose to prevent further crimes. If you can "correct" their behavior, then I think you should. If you cannot, however, then you should do what's necessary to keep them from committing the same offense.

I'm against the death penalty because I do not trust the present court system for several reasons (I'm against the death penalty for much of the same reasons that Penn and Teller are), but I do see a reason to put someone to death if it's a direct necessity. In cases of self defense or defense of another, I can also see it. But there's a difference between a man you apprehend and make relatively harmless after the fact (like put him behind bars), and shooting a man while he's a direct threat to your well-being.

I think that my main goal is less suffering and pain in the end, even if those that suffer are the ones that "deserve" it.

[Beerina]

You would be a worthless piece of %^&*, you would know it and have to live with it every day of your life. The ultimate punishment, IMO.

From what I learned from crime TV evening shows, he'd actually remember the rush he had from the rape and kill, and eventually act and do it again, far more likely than living on with great guilt.

If TV is correct, anyway.

[Beerina]

What would happen if the little girl who lets say is 12, had up to this point been a devout christain and had a true faith but in the course of your torturous act she denies God

Presumably those in Heaven would continue to praise God even as he resurrected the raped and murdered girl, then cast her down into Hell for denying God as she was tested, and failing, during her violent rape and murder.

All praise the good and kind and just mountain god Yahweh!

[Beerina]

If a sarcastic person leaves off the sarcastic or smiley emoticons, was it truly sarcasm or blaspheme? I suppose God knows what was in my heart, e'en if it couldn't be proven in a human court of law.

[Ipecac]

I find it remarkable and sad that so many Christians (including some in my own family) believe they have found the superior morality. A morality which ignores justice and mercy and places one specific belief above all action and consequence. Simply believe and you win, regardless of what you have done in your life. Those who merely don't believe will be tortured eternally.

Christian "morality" is such an obvious joke and such an inferior basis for living your life, it's a sorry testament that it's so widespread.

[Freethinker]

I find it remarkable and sad that so many Christians (including some in my own family) believe they have found the superior morality. A morality which ignores justice and mercy and places one specific belief above all action and consequence. Simply believe and you win, regardless of what you have done in your life. Those who merely don't believe will be tortured eternally.

Christian "morality" is such an obvious joke and such an inferior basis for living your life, it's a sorry testament that it's so widespread.

Very well said. I think the reason is that Christianity was contrived by early Christians and the Church to attract the most followers, not to be the best morality. Whenever something unpleasant arises, Christians create a new idea to make it palatable. The concept of Purgatory is a good example.

[Sir Robin Goodfellow]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.


Ever see Cold Case Files? I think you'd spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder.

[fuelair]

From what I learned from crime TV evening shows, he'd actually remember the rush he had from the rape and kill, and eventually act and do it again, far more likely than living on with great guilt.

If TV is correct, anyway.

That is the psychologists take on it - for whatever that is worth - even if they do use it on TV also.

[Darth Rotor]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? I am very courious to see what other views will be on this subject.

Note... I do not intend to beat rape or kill your daughter or sister, or anyone else for that matter.
If I'm still breathing, I'm still looking. I don't think I am the only person who feels that way.

Never say never.

DR

[Beerina]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime?

Well, presumably nothing would happen, since God does not exist. You end up as worm food like the rest of us.

I suppose that means if you magically knew you could get away with raping and murdering a 12 year old girl, and had the desire to do it, you should do it, given there's no punishment magically assured.

Is that what you're curious about?

Well, I have a better question. Let's suppose your hot, but highly religious sister and I could have sordid, pre-marital sex, and get away with it, in such a way that even God could not detect. Should we do it? (For the sake of argument, presume a more powerful transfinite being came along and guaranteed it -- as well as guaranteeing that God doesn't even know about him, and he (God) remains thinking that he (God) is the one and only and ultimate god.)

[Dr Adequate]

What would happen to me if I were to kidnapp a little girl...lets say your sister or daughter, beat, rape, and kill her...only to never be caught,or better yet someone else is convicted of the crime? Well, eventually you'd die, and since salvation is through faith and not through works, you would be justified by your faith in Jesus and go to Heaven. Meanwhile, my sister, who is among the unsaved, would be roasting in the eternal fires of Hell. This at the behest of a deity whom his followers praise as just and merciful.

It's a funny old world, isn't it?