Gravity => Cash

[phatman]

I am standing on the Earth without being projected into space by the spin of the earth. This is beyond your ability to explain, thus it is paranormal. I want my $1 million :)

Though I will give you my best guess. Dark energy, the same force holding us down upon the Earth is the same force that is/was accelerating the Universe apart. It may be attracted to some component of matter and repels away from itself much like negative electromagnetic energy. But that's all just a guess.

Phattie

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by phatman
I am standing on the Earth without being projected into space by the spin of the earth. This is beyond your ability to explain, thus it is paranormal. I want my $1 million :)

Phattie
It may be beyond your ability to explain, but not mine.

I'm guessing though that you failed to strap on the top of your skull tightly enough and your brain flew off into space.

[Wile E. Coyote]

I know you are joking, but ... not quite.

There is really no such thing as paranormal. We have reality, and we have perceived reality.

Seeing a ghost is an aspect of perceived reality. It is not quantifiable, non-repeatable, and unprovable.

The effects of gravity are understood and accepted. Their cause is not fully understood, but this does not make them paranormal. In fact, what you describe is about as "normal" as one can get, as it is one ability that all humans share regardless of ability or disability.

[phatman]

paranormal: Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation.

I'd tell you which dictionary it's from, but I'd get booted off of the forum for copyright violations..

So it would seem my ability to give myself goosebumps all over is beyond the range of normal experience, but not scientific explanation, and inversely that gravity is a normal experience, but not explanable.

But I wanna hear the penguin's explanation.. This ought to be good..

So let's mix this up a little, why is it that my all my hairs on my body stand up on end on demand, while taking into consideration, gravity.

[phatman]

I guess penguin boy's 2 watts are done glowing.

If you can explain in whole the force of gravity and where it comes from, there are millions of people waiting to talk to you.

I think you'd better strap something on your skull 'cause I'm the type of guy that'll make the sky fall on your head - wait, I've already done it unless you're reading this under water..

Phattie

[NoZed Avenger]

I am actually holding you down on the earth thorugh sheer force of will. Your challenge will therefore win, but I am the one who will be receiving the $1 million.

[Walter Wayne]

Originally posted by phatman
paranormal: Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation.So normal human experience is to fly off the earth according to you?

Walt

[Doubt]

Time to breakout my official “Franko” effect yardstick and start to make a measurement………

I’ll get back to this when there is more data to examine.

[phatman]

Now ladies, pay attention;

I can make most of the hairs on my body stand on end. I do so whenever I like. Now you say that isn't paranormal, so I checked out the definition of paranormal and it stated:

Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how this is normal and to show to show me the scientific explanation.

At best your scientific explanation will be incomplete since your understanding of gravity is only that of indirect observation and thusly cannot be properly explained.

Mocking me was great though, shows the underlying problems in society; lack of respect and stupidity

[Doubt]

Phatman,

Your turn to pay attention.

The hairs on your body grow out of follicles.

Those follicles have small muscles attached to them. When those muscles contract, the hair stands on end. Gravity never enters into it. The reaction will happen regardless of your orientation to the ground.

Now just what is paranormal about this again muscleman? Opps, sorry! Phatman!

[Starrman]

I can make most of the hairs on my body stand on end. I do so whenever I like. Now you say that isn't paranormal, so I checked out the definition of paranormal and it stated:

Even on your head. Cool!

Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation

Since you can do this at will, it is within the range of (at least) your normal experience. I would guess that if someone put enough time into it, it could be explained scientifically.

The problem with dowsers and the like, is they claim it is within their normal experience to find gold nuggets with quivering sticks. When they try to do it under controlled conditions, they can't.

A hair standing on end out of its pholicle is not ouside the range of normal experience - regardless of what makes it happen. The scientific explanation is irrelevant to the challenge.

At best your scientific explanation will be incomplete since your understanding of gravity is only that of indirect observation and thusly cannot be properly explained.

Again - the challenge doesn't care if gravity can't be explained.

Mocking me was great though, shows the underlying problems in society; lack of respect and stupidity

Yes, society would be much better off with more forwar thinkers like yourself. Oh look, now my arm hairs are standing up.

[phatman]

Starrman, loved your post.

Ultimately, all things in this Universe will be shown to be quite explainable, though modern science may not have the tools to do so.

Now, when I dump all this "energy" throughout my body (I can actually feel it moving through me just before the arm hairs stand on end - and don't forget I control when) I'm willing to bet this affects the local ionisphere. Is this not a basis for telekinetics?

As for you Doubt:

I'm aware of how the hair follicles do their thing, read the above though.

Phattie

[Starrman]

Now, when I dump all this "energy" throughout my body (I can actually feel it moving through me just before the arm hairs stand on end - and don't forget I control when) I'm willing to bet this affects the local ionisphere. Is this not a basis for telekinetics?

I will take your bet. You are aware, of course, that the ionosphere is part of the upper atmosphere (starting about 80 Km above the surface of the Earth). Therefore I doubt very much that your trick would effect it very much.

Glad you enjoyed my post!:)

[phatman]

Ooopsies, quite right.

I meant the magnetic charge around a current.. I tend to use analogous terminologies when I don't know the proper one.

But you already knew all that ;)

Phattie

[Tez]

Originally posted by phatman
Ooopsies, quite right.

I meant the magnetic charge around a current.. I tend to use analogous terminologies when I don't know the proper one.

But you already knew all that ;)

Phattie

Its amazing the arrogance of fools.

Let me put simply, apologies for any words too long:

Ionosphere too high.

No magnetic charge. Is magnetic field. Guess you knew that ;)

Mind overcome gravity every time I jump.

I have voluntary control over left eyebrow and pulse rate. Some people do not. It is not their normal experience. Me not so stupid as to think this worth more than beer from drunken friend.

Comprehende?

[SpectorDetector]

The absoutly amazing thing is that I'll bet you can reproduce the phenomenon too ;)

Give the man his Million :roll:

[Kimpatsu]

Surely Interesting Ian's sophistry has fallen into a black hole? How does Agur remain ambulatory? (Or even conscious for that matter?) How does The Amazing Randi put up with the arrant nonsense that masquerades as claims that arrive at his door every day?
Surely these events, and others like them, defy rational explanation? I want my $1 million. (And my MTV...) :wink8:

[phatman]

Originally posted by Tez


Its amazing the arrogance of fools.

Let me put simply, apologies for any words too long:

Ionosphere too high.

No magnetic charge. Is magnetic field. Guess you knew that ;)

Mind overcome gravity every time I jump.

I have voluntary control over left eyebrow and pulse rate. Some people do not. It is not their normal experience. Me not so stupid as to think this worth more than beer from drunken friend.

Comprehende?

I haven't talked about physics with another human in years so my terminology is off, TRY for the love of Christ to understand what I MEAN.. I meant when my body does this it must generate an electric current and that this must amplify the magnetic field around me.

And you completely miscomprehended the gravity thing. I spoke of gravity to illustrate the point that science cannot (completely) explain how the phenomenon works, since the nature of gravitational force is not known (gravitons?).

All this because of the definition of supernatural.

1) Not a normal experience
2) Cannot be (completely) explained by science since the nature of the force driving gravity is not known

Now, stupid, arrogant and foolish I believe are your traits, not mine, since even saying those words are quite Anti-Christian.

Phattie

[Martin]

Originally posted by phatman
I haven't talked about physics with another human in years so my terminology is off, TRY for the love of Christ to understand what I MEAN..You really are an abrasive little twit, you know that?I meant when my body does this it must generate an electric current and that this must amplify the magnetic field around meMust it?All this because of the definition of supernatural.

1) Not a normal experience
2) Cannot be (completely) explained by science since the nature of the force driving gravity is not knownEh...no. You added the 'completely' bit. Scientific theories are not complete, but they are still good explanations. We have explanations for gravity. Hence, not paranormal. Follow?Now, stupid, arrogant and foolish I believe are your traits, not mine, since even saying those words are quite Anti-ChristianEhh...you just said them. Idiot.

[phatman]

Originally posted by Martinm
You really are an abrasive little twit, you know that?Must it?Eh...no. You added the 'completely' bit. Scientific theories are not complete, but they are still good explanations. We have explanations for gravity. Hence, not paranormal. Follow?Ehh...you just said them. Idiot.

Explain to me why there is evidence that the Universe is accelerating away from itself.. is that paranormal since the scientists expected it to decelerate?

I think you'll find there is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing in this Universe which is truly "paranormal" or unexplainable

As for my being an idiot for also having made Anti Christian remarks, I'm afraid not, I was dubbed the prophecized Anti Christ while protesting Desert Storm back in 1992 by one of those Americans that monitor their own people..

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1000922,00.html
http://www.10-commandments.org

I wonder if some would consider Dr David Kelly an idiot for what he did.. wait, let me lay down a prophecy.

Free world indeed

Phattie

[Starrman]

I am standing on the Earth without being projected into space by the spin of the earth. This is beyond your ability to explain, thus it is paranormal.


I think you'll find there is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing in this Universe which is truly "paranormal" or unexplainable

Make up your mind!

And quit adding words to your dictionary definitions when your argument falls to pieces (typically this is when you begin typing).

2) Cannot be (completely) explained by science since the nature of the force driving gravity is not known

[Doubt]

Originally posted by phatman


I haven't talked about physics with another human in years so my terminology is off, TRY for the love of Christ to understand what I MEAN.. I meant when my body does this it must generate an electric current and that this must amplify the magnetic field around me.


Phattie

Phattie,

Find the nearest adult education program and take some science classes.

Your body does not produce a magnetic field. If it does, you can check it with ease.

1.) Sit at a table with a compass in front of you. Make sure that you and the compass are very close to each other.
2.) Make your hairs stand on end.

Prediction: The compass needle will not move.

You could also do some simple tests that could prove that you are not producing an electric current of any significance. The small electric signals of the human body travel very short distances. The end result is no net current through the body.

Bad guesses about how your body works will not get you the million dollars.

[Pyrrho]

We really do need a "Troll" section on this Forum.

[SpectorDetector]

We really do need a "Troll" section on this Forum.

My estimation for that idea would be that the lack of posts in other areas would be so great that the Troll section would be all that remained and the rest of the topic boards would become archives.

Just kidding :p

[phatman]

Originally posted by Doubt


Phattie,

Find the nearest adult education program and take some science classes.

Your body does not produce a magnetic field. If it does, you can check it with ease.

1.) Sit at a table with a compass in front of you. Make sure that you and the compass are very close to each other.
2.) Make your hairs stand on end.

Prediction: The compass needle will not move.

You could also do some simple tests that could prove that you are not producing an electric current of any significance. The small electric signals of the human body travel very short distances. The end result is no net current through the body.

Bad guesses about how your body works will not get you the million dollars.

Yet a shark can pick up on the same electric energy's discharge an electroencephalogram does. Am I missing something or are you just being insulting for the (hell) of it?

Phattie

[xouper]

phatman: blah blah blah . . . Yawn. :slp:

[Psiload]

Originally posted by phatman


Yet a shark can pick up on the same electric energy's discharge an electroencephalogram does. Am I missing something or are you just being insulting for the (hell) of it?

Phattie
Yes, some sharks can detect subtle electrical impulses... and some birds can jump off tall structures and fly away, and some whales can dive deep into the ocean and stay underwater for upwards of twenty minutes at a time. I suggest you attempt the last two feats I've described. I think it'll be an enlightening, and rewarding experience.

Enlightening for you, rewarding for us.

[Doubt]

Originally posted by phatman


Yet a shark can pick up on the same electric energy's discharge an electroencephalogram does. Am I missing something or are you just being insulting for the (hell) of it?

Phattie


No, I am not being deliberately insulting.

The problem is that you do not appear to know very much about how the world around you works. You take bad guesses and expect us to go along with you. Sorry if you feel insulted, but you are clueless. If you stopped guessing and either did some homework or asked questions you would get a much better reaction.

A second semester physics class would do a lot to clean up some of your bad assumptions. Especially the usual parts on electricity and circuits. Understanding magnetic fields is a bit more complex and often involves a nasty engineering class called Electromagnetic Fundamentals.

For a magnetic field around your body, a few things would have to be present. One is a source. A few ways to do this place that source are:

1.) Implant a very strong natural magnet in your body. This is obviously not practical.
2.) Rapid rotation of a piece of iron. Also not practical.
3.) Induce a field by the flow of electric current. The field would run at a right angle to the flow of the electric current. The problem here is that to produce a measurable field that would run around a human body could cause great bodily harm.

In order to have a magnetic field around a human body you are going to need to run a current through that body. Not just the minor pulses that take place as neurons fire. The reason for this is that magnetic fields resist changes in current and take time to build up.

When an electric circuit with an induction coil is first turned on, the current though the coil at t=0 is nonexistent. This is because all of the energy is absorbed in trying to build the field. When the circuit is switched off, the field around the inductor collapses in an effort to maintain the current. (This can result in a small arcing problem at the switch.)

In the case of a human body, neurons fire in a flash and are off again. They will spend most of their time in the off state producing no discharge. The result is that no build up of a field takes place. Just a minor pulse that travels outward and gets weaker as it moves. Now in the brain, this outward moving pulse could trigger other neurons to fire, but that is localized that bundle of nerves. Electrical activity in muscles is also a local phenomenon and does not constitute part of a larger field anymore that that of the brain does. A neuron firing in my middle finger will not trigger a neuron to fire in my index finger. There is no field reaction between my limbs. There is no opportunity to build up a magnetic field around my body.

Now as for sharks, they can pick up on disturbances in the earth’s magnetic field caused by those outward moving pulses from an animals neurons. But that is about it. The shark does not see any field around you.

Now if a person did have a magnetic field around them we would be able to determine the location of the polls and measure it’s strength. People have been making claims about magnetic fields and the human body for a very long time. See the link to Quack Watch:

http://www.quackwatch.org/13Hx/TM/02.html


Franklin's shadow also fell across the trail of Franz Antoine Mesmer, who dealt in electricity of another form. This dynamic young physician had come from his medical training in Vienna to Paris. There he set up a lavish establishment at which he healed by the power of animal magnetism. Wearing a lilac suit, carrying a metal wand, playing solemn music on a harmonica, Mes-mer ministered to his patients and admirers. They sat gripping thumbs around a wooden tub, or "battery," from which came jointed metal rods to touch the ailing parts of their bodies. The tub was the condenser and conductor of the universal fluid that flowed through all those in the circle and wrought the cure. Mesmer walked about enhancing the magnetic potency by touching the afflicted with his rod or by a laying on of hands. The healing seance went on for hours, amid a growing tension accompanied by shouts, tears, hysterical laughter, and convulsions [12].

In 1784, while Franklin was representing the United States at the French court, Louis XVI ordered a commission appointed to investigate Mesmer. Franklin was chosen to serve, and among his colleagues were the chemist Lavoisier and a physician-inventor named Guillotin. After observations and experiments, some of which were held at Franklin's estate, the commission concluded that they could discover no electricity in Mesmer's tub. Nor could they detect, with any of their senses, that current known as animal magnetism. Mesmer was forbidden to continue his healing seances. Taking his spoils, he sought in England a comfortable retirement. Animal magnetism sank below the level of public concern.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

It may be beyond your ability to explain, but not mine.

I'm guessing though that you failed to strap on the top of your skull tightly enough and your brain flew off into space.
There is a reason why you are one of the most (if not the most) popular member on this board. :D