Superstar Status Doesn't Stop Criminal Charges

[Jedi Knight]

Kobe Bryant has been charged for 3rd degree sexual assault. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/kobepress1.html)

Professional Basketball atheletes have to quit acting like criminal barbarians.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030718/mdf319078.jpg

It appears the sperm test came back "positive".

JK

[NightG1]

Its kinda funny that you seem to have changed your "its always the woman's fault no matter what" rhetoric in this one particular instance. I wonder why.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by NightG1
Its kinda funny that you seem to have changed your "its always the woman's fault no matter what" rhetoric in this one particular instance. I wonder why.

Most cases of rape are false and detract from real claims like the one involving this case. The girl went to a hospital, had sperm extracted from inside her to be tested and cooperated with police.

In most other sexual assault cases and sex harrassment claims by women, it is mainly 'accusational' which harms real victims like the one Kobe Bryant raped because people won't tend to believe the claim like they would if so many women didn't attack men with 'false-rape' accusations.

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Most cases of rape are false and detract from real claims like the one involving this case. The girl went to a hospital, had sperm extracted from inside her to be tested and cooperated with police.

In most other sexual assault cases and sex harrassment claims by women, it is mainly 'accusational' which harms real victims like the one Kobe Bryant raped because people won't tend to believe the claim like they would if so many women didn't attack men with 'false-rape' accusations.

JK

How do you know she did not have sex with him because he is a famous athlete and then changed her mind?

[Grammatron]

like the one Kobe Bryant raped

I hope you mean allegedly raped. Because, as far as I know, the trial did not even start yet. Also, if you look at the news, Kobe Bryant released a statement that read: " made the mistake of adultery. I have to answer to my wife and my God for my actions that night and I pray that both will forgive me." Now, whether or not he raped her is for court to decide. What we know for a fact, is that he had sex with her.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by renata


How do you know she did not have sex with him because he is a famous athlete and then changed her mind? My question exactly. What is different about this case? Physical evidence? Surely most other cases had physical evidence as well?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


How do you know she did not have sex with him because he is a famous athlete and then changed her mind?

Well I am pleased that it didn't take two days for my hook to finally trap the debating fish.

Could this be yet another case of "false-rape", and the terrorization of men in the United States?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Upchurch
My question exactly. What is different about this case? Physical evidence? Surely most other cases had physical evidence as well?

Then you agree that most cases of rape accusations are false?

JK

[Grammatron]

Could this be yet another case of "false-rape", and the terrorization of men in the United States?

Yes, it certainly could be. Just like it might not be. :)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I hope you mean allegedly raped. Because, as far as I know, the trial did not even start yet. Also, if you look at the news, Kobe Bryant released a statement that read: " made the mistake of adultery. I have to answer to my wife and my God for my actions that night and I pray that both will forgive me." Now, whether or not he raped her is for court to decide. What we know for a fact, is that he had sex with her.

Well what is to stop any woman from going to a hospital and claiming that she was 'raped' if she can drop a sperm-slide for a microscope?

Could it be a form of terrorism against men in the United States? How can it be proven one way or the other? Do we just take the chick's word for it?

JK

[Grammatron]

Could it be a form of terrorism against men in the United States? How can it be proven one way or the other? Do we just take the chick's word for it?

Well, physicall evidence consists of more than just sperm. They check to see if there are any signs of "forced entry," bruises on the body. There is also things like, what she did after she was allegedly raped; did she go to the police; did she think it out and three days laters filed a perfect report against him? That is all part of the process. Remember, they have to prove that he is guilty, he does not have to prove that he is innocent.

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Then you agree that most cases of rape accusations are false?

JK


Do you have any evidence to back this up?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata



Do you have any evidence to back this up?

So the girl Kobe Bryant had sex with was raped? We know that she had sex with him and that he had sex with her. How do we know it wasn't consentual?

Or do we just 'arrest' men on an accusation and threaten them with life in prison?

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


So the girl Kobe Bryant had sex with was raped? We know that she had sex with him and that he had sex with her. How do we know it wasn't consentual?

Or do we just 'arrest' men on an accusation and threaten them with life in prison?

JK

You made a statement.


Then you agree that most cases of rape accusations are false?


I asked for evidence of that statement. Do you have it?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Grammatron


Well, physicall evidence consists of more than just sperm. They check to see if there are any signs of "forced entry," bruises on the body. There is also things like, what she did after she was allegedly raped; did she go to the police; did she think it out and three days laters filed a perfect report against him? That is all part of the process. Remember, they have to prove that he is guilty, he does not have to prove that he is innocent.

Shouldn't there be a penalty for false-rape accusations? How can rape be proven when the sex is consentual? I can see if the woman was beaten up, had her clothes ripped off her body and her head bashed into submission, but if there is no overt damage to the female, she went willingly, no?

Why aren't there claw marks on Kobe's face from the victim's 'resistance' to the so-called 'rape'?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


You made a statement.



I asked for evidence of that statement. Do you have it?

Where are the claw marks, the hacking and thrashing of Kobe's body from the girl resisting the rape?

He got on TV following the incident and there was nothing wrong with him. If a woman doesn't want to have sex, doesn't she claw, hit, punch, scream and do everything she can to stop it?

Or is she silent, enjoys her orgasm and then claims 'rape'?

JK

[Grammatron]

Shouldn't there be a penalty for false-rape accusations? How can rape be proven when the sex is consentual? I can see if the woman was beaten up, had her clothes ripped off her body and her head bashed into submission, but if there is no overt damage to the female, she went willingly, no?

Why aren't there claw marks on Kobe's face from the victim's 'resistance' to the so-called 'rape'?


I did not accuse Kobe of raping her or not raping her, like I said before, that is up to the court to decide, not me.

As far as penalty go, I am sure there is a fraud law about filing false claims in Colorado.

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Where are the claw marks, the hacking and thrashing of Kobe's body from the girl resisting the rape?

He got on TV following the incident and there was nothing wrong with him. If a woman doesn't want to have sex, doesn't she claw, hit, punch, scream and do everything she can to stop it?

Or is she silent, enjoys her orgasm and then claims 'rape'?

JK

OK, so when you said

Then you agree that most cases of rape accusations are false?

you had no evidence to back that up. I thought as much.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


OK, so when you said



you had no evidence to back that up. I thought as much.

Most rape accusations are false. The public is duped into thinking they aren't by the leftist media and feminist apologist groups who think that all sex is 'rape'.

There is your evidence. If you are looking for statistical evidence, check the web. There are tens of thousands of false-rape cases floating around for you to read about.

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Most rape accusations are false. The public is duped into thinking they aren't by the leftist media and feminist apologist groups who think that all sex is 'rape'.

There is your evidence. If you are looking for statistical evidence, check the web. There are tens of thousands of false-rape cases floating around for you to read about.

JK

(emphasis mine)

Please provide evidence that "most rape accusations are false"

You made the statement, you have to back it up.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


(emphasis mine)

Please provide evidence that "most rape accusations are false"

You made the statement, you have to back it up.

(emphasis mine)

Sorry, I am too busy to provide obvious answers via internet research for you.

JK

[Grammatron]

(emphasis mine)

Sorry, I am too busy to provide obvious answers via internet research for you.

JK


Well, I researched into your claim, and I could not find any proof. At most, the false rape charge rate is at 45%. I did not find any data to back up your claim that "most rape accusations are false."
There for, I am forced to conclude that you are wrong until you can provide me with data that shows otherwise.

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


(emphasis mine)

Sorry, I am too busy to provide obvious answers via internet research for you.

JK

So you once again show no evidence for your claims. Not the first time, not the last.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


So you once again show no evidence for your claims. Not the first time, not the last.

It isn't a 'claim', hon. It is fact.

JK

[Grammatron]

It isn't a 'claim', hon. It is fact.

If by fact you mean lie, then yes, it is a "fact."

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


It isn't a 'claim', hon. It is fact.

JK

You made a statement. You cannot back it up. That is a fact.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


You made a statement. You cannot back it up. That is a fact.

haha

Men should follow this case closely because the definition of sex is perverse. There is no such thing as consentual sex in the matriarchal totalitarian feminazi nation-state. There is sex, but whether it is evil or not depends on the sociopathological state of the female partner on any given day. It could be 'good' sex one day then it can be 'bad' sex the next day.

I guess Kobe struck out thinking he was having consentual sex on a 'good' day. But that is America.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
There is no such thing as consentual sex in the matriarchal totalitarian feminazi nation-state. There is sex, but whether it is evil or not depends on the sociopathological state of the female partner on any given day. It could be 'good' sex one day then it can be 'bad' sex the next day.This is just sad.

I, for one, can confirm that yes, there is consentual sex - and I guess we live in the same country.

Who hurt you so much? :(

Yes, rape is difficult to prove or disprove - I guess your point of view depends on who was involved, your son or your daughter.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
This is just sad.

I, for one, can confirm that yes, there is consentual sex - and I guess we live in the same country.

Who hurt you so much? :(

Yes, rape is difficult to prove or disprove - I guess your point of view depends on who was involved, your son or your daughter.

Relax Bjorn, no one hurt me. What hurts me is the collective amount of matriarchal totalitarian terror in this country. There is no individual to blame. It is a group-commie thing.

If there is no sign whatsoever that a female has been harmed in any way from sexual activity physically, and combined with the fact that she didn't struggle, she was not raped.

Now, show me pictures of Kobe Bryant's face where she clawed her way away from him. Give me one witness that heard her scream. The crime took place in a hotel, right? There should be dozens of witnesses standing by to testify.

Or did she quietly smile and get dressed as Kobe kissed her goodnight and then left the hotel without incident? Then she claimed rape?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

I can see it now too. Let me use some Sylvia skills lol.

Even if Kobe Bryant wins the case, some extortionist lawsuit requiring him to pay tens of $millions to the so-called 'victim' will follow. You know, for 'pain and suffering'...or wait, for 'pleasure and non-suffering', lol.

It is a racket. The entire show is a racket. This should alert all other influential people that you just do not go out in public anymore without professional security because we are America in name only and chicks are gunning for the $$$$$.

JK

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Or did she quietly smile and get dressed as Kobe kissed her goodnight and then left the hotel without incident? Then she claimed rape?

JK

Or did he lead her into a room, tell her he would kill her (or her family) if she resisted or screamed?

Would this not be sexual assault?


Also, he was charged with sexual assault, not 3rd degree sexual assault. Colorado does not break down sexual assault into degrees. The particular conduct alleged in this case would be a class 3 felony, which is the second harshest category of penalty given by Colorado for a sexual assault.

[Ziggurat]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

There is no such thing as consentual sex in the matriarchal totalitarian feminazi nation-state. There is sex, but whether it is evil or not depends on the sociopathological state of the female partner on any given day. It could be 'good' sex one day then it can be 'bad' sex the next day.


Someone's not getting any, someone's not getting any! :roll:

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Relax Bjorn, no one hurt me. What hurts me is the collective amount of matriarchal totalitarian terror in this country. There is no individual to blame. It is a group-commie thing.

If there is no sign whatsoever that a female has been harmed in any way from sexual activity physically, and combined with the fact that she didn't struggle, she was not raped.

Now, show me pictures of Kobe Bryant's face where she clawed her way away from him. Give me one witness that heard her scream. The crime took place in a hotel, right? There should be dozens of witnesses standing by to testify.

Or did she quietly smile and get dressed as Kobe kissed her goodnight and then left the hotel without incident? Then she claimed rape?

JK We don't know. The court will hear the evidence and decide.

To repeat myself:

Yes, rape is difficult to prove or disprove - I guess your point of view depends on who was involved, your son or your daughter. Do you have a daughter, Jedi?

What would you do if she came home and told you she was raped? :confused:

[Bjorn]

Jedi
There is no such thing as consentual sex in the matriarchal totalitarian feminazi nation-state. There is sex, but whether it is evil or not depends on the sociopathological state of the female partner on any given day. It could be 'good' sex one day then it can be 'bad' sex the next day. And this is still just sad ......

I hope your life gets better, I hope you find a partner that you trust and love.

Seriously, if you believe what you stated in the quote above, you should get some help. No kidding. :(

[peptoabysmal]

My sense of logic tells me that this girl had a fling with Kobe, and her boyfriend found out, so now she's crying rape. After watching Kobe deny the charges my intuition and my "spider sense" is telling me that Kobe is lying.

I am split on this one so far.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Jedi
And this is still just sad ......

I hope your life gets better, I hope you find a partner that you trust and love.

Seriously, if you believe what you stated in the quote above, you should get some help. No kidding. :(

I have a partner and my life is great, Bjorn. Do you smoke crack? Quit acting like you do.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
We don't know. The court will hear the evidence and decide.

To repeat myself:

Do you have a daughter, Jedi?

What would you do if she came home and told you she was raped? :confused:

No, I don't have a daughter and it doesn't matter. If she came home without her clothes and was beaten up and said she was raped, I would believe her.

If she came home intact with a bit of smudged lipstick, I would be skeptical.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I have a partner and my life is great, Bjorn. Do you smoke crack? Quit acting like you do.

JK If you have a partner and your life is great, how is he or she responding to your statement here:

There is no such thing as consentual sex in the matriarchal totalitarian feminazi nation-state. There is sex, but whether it is evil or not depends on the sociopathological state of the female partner on any given day. It could be 'good' sex one day then it can be 'bad' sex the next day. Just curious. Are you raping the person tonight, or is there such a thing as consentual sex? :p

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
If you have a partner and your life is great, how is he or she responding to your statement here:

Just curious. Are you raping the person tonight, or is there such a thing as consentual sex? :p

You ignore half of what I say everytime, Bjorn. Imagine if I did that to you. In a previous post I mentioned that feminists think 'all sex is rape' no matter how it is performed between men and women. Now if you had paid attention to that then you would have understood why I think that consensual sex is a myth and wholly dependent upon the claim of the female, even if she 'consented' beforehand.

My girlfriend has nothing to do with this discussion but I know if I asked her she would agree with me. :p

Do you think it is healthy living in a country where a man can be falsely accused of rape with one phone call from a female and then be trapped into defending himself for years after the female consented to having sex? That is what this topic is about.

I don't know if Kobe raped that chick. I have doubts about it because:

1) There is no physical damage on Kobe meaning that the female 'victim' didn't struggle. Kobe plastered his face all over the television this week and there isn't a scratch or hair out of place.

2) The 'crime' supposedly took place at a high class resort and yet there are no witnesses reported seeing or hearing anything.

3) The victim claimed to friends in the town she lives that she wanted to be a "star" and even tried out for American Idol.

4) The victim refuses to be made known in the media and her identity has not yet been made known. Men have a right to be able to defend against their accuser and the public has a right to know who the accuser is. If the defendant is in the media, the accuser should also be in the media.

5) I want to see if the woman has black eyes from being beaten into submission while the rape was in progress, whether or not there was any sign of her clothes being ripped up and a full physical to determine if she was violently assaulted sexually. That is what rape is. Being dehydrated and having sperm available does not mean rape.

6) What was she doing alone in Kobe's bedroom at the hotel? :eek:

Other than that, my only other comment is that I think women use false-rape as a weapon against men in the United States. I would like to be proven wrong, but the only information provided to counter mine so far have been personal attacks directed against me. Typical for the JREF forum. :rolleyes:

JK

[rwald]

JK, as you may have noted, no one here is claiming that Kobe is definitely guilty. In fact, the general consensus seems to be that he is innocent until proven guilty. Personally, I think that the evidence you have provided strongly suggests that he is innocent, and I will continue to believe so until I've seen sufficient evidence to the contrary.

The problem we have is your claim that most rape is just a woman getting PO'ed at a guy she had consensual sex with. Could you provide evidence to support that claim?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by rwald
JK, as you may have noted, no one here is claiming that Kobe is definitely guilty. In fact, the general consensus seems to be that he is innocent until proven guilty. Personally, I think that the evidence you have provided strongly suggests that he is innocent, and I will continue to believe so until I've seen sufficient evidence to the contrary.

The problem we have is your claim that most rape is just a woman getting PO'ed at a guy she had consensual sex with. Could you provide evidence to support that claim?

False rape allegations (http://www.menweb.org/throop/falsereport/kanin.html).

JK

[The Fool]

Just curious, where do the commies fit into this one?

[Ziggurat]

Hmmm... that's certainly not an encouraging statistic, but two things should be pointed out. First, the percentage I see here is 41% false allegations, which is high but less than half. You said most, not many. So until you either bring forth some new evidence or change your stance, you're still talking out your backside.

Second, and more importantly, the number of false allegations isn't nearly as important as the ability of the system to expose false allegations. If false accusers are being caught and punished, then we don't have a serious problem with the way the system works. That's a harder question to answer, of course, but it's not clear to me that we do have much of an institutional problem.

[Bjorn]

jedi
You ignore half of what I say everytime, Bjorn. Imagine if I did that to you. :p

Coming from someone with a handful of threads where he has ignored requests for evidence .... Ziggurat's request two posts up is still pending.

There is no such thing as consentual sex in the matriarchal totalitarian feminazi nation-state. feminists think 'all sex is rape' no matter how it is performed between men and women My girlfriend has nothing to do with this discussion but I know if I asked her she would agree with me. If all women are the way you are claiming, your girlfriend must be that way as well.

If she is, it explains your anger.

If she is not, there might also be others who are not? Maybe plenty of them? :confused:

[3-toed-sloth]

The article JK linked in a case study of one small town and they found a false rape rate of 41%



Here are some other percentages I've found

http://www.cjr.org/year/97/6/rape.asp

1997 false rape claims nationwide estimated at 25%

In 1995 in Dallas 6.2% of the reported rapes were false




http://www.equityfeminism.com/articles/2002/000010.html

In the province of Ontario, 5.7% false rapes

In British Columbia 6.2% false rapes

In Toronto, one study in one police department showed 30% false rapes




http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/Cius_97/95CRIME/95crime2.pdf

This is a long PDF summary of crime in 1995, here is the paragraph concerning false rape (on page 24 of the report)


Rapes by force constitute the greatest percentage of total forcible rapes, 87 percent of the 1995 incidents. The remainder were attempts or assaults to commit forcible rape. The number of rapes by force decreased 5 percent in 1995 from the 1994 volume, and attempts to rape decreased 6 percent. As for all other Crime Index offenses, complaints of forcible rape made to law enforcement agencies are sometimes found to be false or baseless. In such cases, law enforcement agencies “unfound” the offenses and exclude them from crime counts. The “unfounded” rate, or percentage of complaints determined through investigation to be false, is higher for forcible rape than for any other Index crime. In 1995, 8 percent of forcible rape complaints were “unfounded,” while the average for all Index crimes was 2 percent.

I've look athe FBI reports for subsequent years, they didn't mention a false rape percentage. They did show a negative trend in the total number of forcible rapes, which is good.

What conclusion can you draw?

False rape does happen. It is certainly not the case the "most" rapes are false. There is a great deal of variation but I'd guess that the national percentage in probabally between 8-15%. This doesn't mean that in some areas the rate can be higher, but none of these percentage support the claim the most rapes are false.

[JAR]

It's noteworthy that Kobe Bryant is black. You know black guys, they never can resist to have sexual relations with women.

He's also rich(correct me if I'm wrong) and famous. So he used wealth and fame to hog the women supply. He laid with a woman when he already had an official one to lay with.

Someday we're going to have to start punishing people for deeds such as this.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by JAR
It's noteworthy that Kobe Bryant is black. You know black guys, they never can resist to have sexual relations with women.

He's also rich(correct me if I'm wrong) and famous. So he used wealth and fame to hog the women supply. He laid with a woman when he already had an official one to lay with.

Someday we're going to have to start punishing people for deeds such as this.
Lol.... Jar, you are a piece of racist human garbage. Its obvious that by including crap like this in every single post you are simply a troll trying to test the limits of peoples patience.

[hal bidlack]

This thread has been reported, and so I have read it.

Jar is a racist, but that is not against the rules. I suggest in situations such as this, more speech is the answer, as opposed to censoring him. I'm not sure though, and I will start a thread about it.

[Trish]

Rape is non-consentual sex between two or more parties. It is not necessarily true that a person being raped will fight back. There was a cabal of thought during the late 70s early 80s that compliance with the rapist would ensure survival of the victim. Sometimes the victim is too scared to fight back, afraid of what will happen if she does. Sometimes she shuts down emotionally and mentally as a survival mechanism. There are also drugs that impair the ability of the victim to realize what is happening to her, rendering her helpless.

As to whether the CO case is rape or consensual, a trial will have to take place and a jury will have to decide. That's the way it works. Not enough facts are known in this case for us to decide one way or the other.

[American]

They probably had normal sex, and in the last 3 seconds he finished somewhere she didn't expect, so suddenly it's "rape". Just cause he suddenly went from romance to rough- that's not rape. It's not nice, but it's not rape.

I blame her for valuing the wrong things in life. Being charmed by wealth and fame is pretty weak. I make it a point to ignore celebrities, and I seriously disrespect anyone who worships phonys. It's all sex-drive.

She should settle with a nice quiet boyfriend like me, and these things wouldn't happen. The older I get, the more I see how people get what they deserve.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by JAR
It's noteworthy that Kobe Bryant is black. You know black guys, they never can resist to have sexual relations with women.

He's also rich(correct me if I'm wrong) and famous. So he used wealth and fame to hog the women supply. He laid with a woman when he already had an official one to lay with.

Someday we're going to have to start punishing people for deeds such as this.

Wow. You're grasp of facts is, truly, underwhelming.

You know, maybe if you pulled your head out of your @$$ once in a while, you might realize that much of the sexist/racist bilge you just posted is like a bad photocopy of the 43d carbon of something Nancy Friday might have printed back in the early 70's. Geez, where did you find these attitudes, out of TRUE magazine back issues from 1967?

Maybe you should check out other websites, other than the pornos. :rolleyes:

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by JAR
It's noteworthy that Kobe Bryant is black. You know black guys, they never can resist to have sexual relations with women.

He's also rich(correct me if I'm wrong) and famous. So he used wealth and fame to hog the women supply. He laid with a woman when he already had an official one to lay with.

Someday we're going to have to start punishing people for deeds such as this.
http://www.tolerance.org/images/maps/hate/key/s_key_klan_2002.gif

Please report to the Klu Klux Klan Chapter nearest to you posthaste.

that would be either:

CA Newport Beach Imperial Klans of America
or

CA Calpella National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

KKK Chapter (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/group.jsp?map_data_type_id=3)

California Map of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=5)

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[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Well what is to stop any woman from going to a hospital and claiming that she was 'raped' if she can drop a sperm-slide for a microscope?

Could it be a form of terrorism against men in the United States? How can it be proven one way or the other? Do we just take the chick's word for it?

JK

Well, obviously you're safe, since you've never had sex. With a woman, I mean.

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by NightG1
Its kinda funny that you seem to have changed your "its always the woman's fault no matter what" rhetoric in this one particular instance. I wonder why.

Bryant's black.

I can just see JK's dilemma here: "Who do I blame, the n****r or the b***h? What to do, what to do..."

[Skeptic]

He's also rich(correct me if I'm wrong) and famous. So he used wealth and fame to hog the women supply.

JAR, despite what you think, rich black guys "hogging the women supply" is NOT the real reason you can't get laid to save your life.

Repulsive body odor, or some other mundane reason like that, is a more likely explanation.

[DialecticMaterialist]

It's noteworthy that Kobe Bryant is black. You know black guys, they never can resist to have sexual relations with women.



JAR that was so bad that it bounced up to good and back down to bad again.

You have graduated from annoying noob to uber loser.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Trish
Sometimes she shuts down emotionally and mentally as a survival mechanism. There are also drugs that impair the ability of the victim to realize what is happening to her, rendering her helpless.

You mean drugs that the victim overdosed on (http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0720/1583145.html) months prior to her 'claim' Kobe Bryant raped her?

It appears she was raping herself with drugs long before she met Bryant and wanted sex from him. There isn't a detail about the so-called victim's life that isn't going to be made public internationally in the media now.

If this turns out to be false rape (which I think it is, IMO), it will feed into pro-men organizational agendas pushing to expose the dangerous behavior of sociopathic females and why the 'system' needs new standards when 'rape' claims are made. So maybe this will have a happy ending after all.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Trish, read this article here:

Kobe's Number Called, Learns: (http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/w/ward/03/ward072003-kobe-bryant-sex-charges.htm) No Man Is Safe in Western Civilized Nations

The false rape nonsense has to stop. It will just empower men's rights groups and add more ammunition against the gutter-deterioration of the female western-condition, or more easily understood--feminist lies and myths.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Trish, read this article here:

Kobe's Number Called, Learns: (http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/w/ward/03/ward072003-kobe-bryant-sex-charges.htm) No Man Is Safe in Western Civilized Nations

The false rape nonsense has to stop. It will just empower men's rights groups and add more ammunition against the gutter-deterioration of the female western-condition, or more easily understood--feminist lies and myths.

JK
Poor Jedi.... Here, let me help you understand. Your basic problem is the old "if there are no witnesses then there should be no conviction" belief.

This is a cute simplistic belief often put forward by people who have limited understanding of the law. There are many convictions where there are no eye witnesses, for many different crimes. Forensic evidence, people's statements and how plausable they sound in front of Jury. These are all factors at work in your judicial system, there are also many, many other things that are taken into consideration. In the end, If a jury of your peers thinks beyond a reasonable doubt that you did it.......then you are in trouble.

I'm really sorry that you can't get the criminal justice system to give people accused of rape some special dispensations from the normal laws applying to people accused of a crime. You are just going to have to learn to live with it.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Skeptic
JAR, despite what you think, rich black guys "hogging the women supply" is NOT the real reason you can't get laid to save your life.

Repulsive body odor, or some other mundane reason like that, is a more likely explanation.
Or to borrow an old joke...

Q: What does JAR use for birth control?
A: His personality.

:p

[American]

What a lot of women want is the ability to screw any player-jerk they meet, and if it doesn't turn out romantic and fun then they get to be victims.

To be safe and legal, you now have to sign a contract agreeing exactly where he's going to end up putting it, how much kissing will occur, and precisely what hardcore energy and techniques will be used (if any).

How romantic.

I refer you to my solution (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23628) for the problem of "acquaintance" rape, or what ever the fake victim feminists are calling it these days.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Poor Jedi.... Here, let me help you understand. Your basic problem is the old "if there are no witnesses then there should be no conviction" belief.

This is a cute simplistic belief often put forward by people who have limited understanding of the law. There are many convictions where there are no eye witnesses, for many different crimes. Forensic evidence, people's statements and how plausable they sound in front of Jury. These are all factors at work in your judicial system, there are also many, many other things that are taken into consideration. In the end, If a jury of your peers thinks beyond a reasonable doubt that you did it.......then you are in trouble.

I'm really sorry that you can't get the criminal justice system to give people accused of rape some special dispensations from the normal laws applying to people accused of a crime. You are just going to have to learn to live with it.

No, it is not as confusing as your 11th grade intellect is making it out to be.

If a chick shows up at a guy's hotel room, takes her own clothes off, has sex, takes the sperm, it is not rape.

Kobe will win this case. The case really isn't about Kobe at all. It is about the need to inform feminists that sex is not rape so their minions don't cry rape after having sex everytime with their dozens of partners.

That is, if some of them survive overdosing on drugs months before the rape claim. :rolleyes:

JK

[American]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Kobe will win this case. The case really isn't about Kobe at all. It is about the need to inform feminists that sex is not rape so their minions don't cry rape after having sex everytime with their dozens of partners.

They ruined Tyson's life by disallowing evidence that jurors later said they would have believed in his favor. They'll try the same BS on Kobe, and then wonder why he's so angry years later (if he's convicted).

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by American


They ruined Tyson's life by disallowing evidence that jurors later said they would have believed in his favor. They'll try the same BS on Kobe, and then wonder why he's so angry years later (if he's convicted).

Was Tyson even competent to stand trial? What is his IQ...like a 40? lol

I remember when he got on television with his ex-wife and she was rambling on about how Mike beat her up, etc. Then Mike would just sit there and smile, completely oblivious to what was being done to him.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


No, it is not as confusing as your 11th grade intellect is making it out to be.

If a chick shows up at a guy's hotel room, takes her own clothes off, has sex, takes the sperm, it is not rape.

Kobe will win this case. The case really isn't about Kobe at all. It is about the need to inform feminists that sex is not rape so their minions don't cry rape after having sex everytime with their dozens of partners.

That is, if some of them survive overdosing on drugs months before the rape claim. :rolleyes:

JK
Lol...Its not my 11th grade intellect thats the problem, its your understanding of your own criminal justice system. Obviously the courts should just use your psychic ability to determine what went on in the room.....why bother with police, trials and cross examination....Lol, everything is so simple if you have psychic abilities isn't it jedi......

what you want is basically an Islamic fundamentalist system where rape cannot be prosecuted if there are no eye witnesses... Its good to see you starting to take on board some Islamic legal principles...... Under your system is any woman alone with you able to be raped with no chances of a conviction? Or is other evidence only allowed to be considered if it points towards the "fake rape" theory?

You are laughable, you have decided the guy is innocent with absolutely no knowledge of the facts, just what you read in the papers is enough for you, oh yea....and your psychic abilities.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Lol...Its not my 11th grade intellect thats the problem, its your understanding of your own criminal justice system. Obviously the courts should just use your psychic ability to determine what went on in the room.....why bother with police, trials and cross examination....Lol, everything is so simple if you have psychic abilities isn't it jedi......

what you want is basically an Islamic fundamentalist system where rape cannot be prosecuted if there are no eye witnesses... Its good to see you starting to take on board some Islamic legal principles...... Under your system is any woman alone with you able to be raped with no chances of a conviction? Or is other evidence only allowed to be considered if it points towards the "fake rape" theory?

You are laughable, you have decided the guy is innocent with absolutely no knowledge of the facts, just what you read in the papers is enough for you, oh yea....and your psychic abilities.

I don't need psychic abilities to know Kobe is innocent. I just need known facts.

Facts like the hotel was a gated community with 24 hour police protection. Why didn't she go screaming out of the hotel and run to the police who were busy sipping on hot coffee and donuts at the guard shack to the place?

Why did she go home and wait almost a full day to report it?

Why was she in Kobe's room alone?

Why does she have no injuries?

Why weren't her clothes ripped off her body?

Why didn't she just go to the front desk and call SWAT that night? She worked there--she obviously knew where every telephone in the place was.

You aren't a very bright guy, Fool. Don't worry though. I always keep a place in my intellectual heart for the mentally challenged like you.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I don't need psychic abilities to know Kobe is innocent. I just need known facts.

Facts like the hotel was a gated community with 24 hour police protection. Why didn't she go screaming out of the hotel and run to the police who were busy sipping on hot coffee and donuts at the guard shack to the place?

Why did she go home and wait almost a full day to report it?

Why was she in Kobe's room alone?

Why does she have no injuries?

Why weren't her clothes ripped off her body?

Why didn't she just go to the front desk and call SWAT that night? She worked there--she obviously knew where every telephone in the place was.

You aren't a very bright guy, Fool. Don't worry though. I always keep a place in my intellectual heart for the mentally challenged like you.

JK
Good thinking Jedi. You are getting there...all the questions you raise are the sort of issues that would be dealt with in a court of law in front of a Jury. I know it would be cheaper for the taxpayer to use use your psychic abilities to determine peoples guilt........But until then I think the good old court and Jury will probably continue to be used. If you were on the Jury, your opinions would count....until then you are just another troll on the internet. Your opinion is as valuable as any other internet trolls opinion.

So, by your psychic system of guilt and innocence
1. no other witnesses
2. not yelling
3. no injuries
4. clothes not ripped off
5. not reporting it same day.

All this means it was a fake accusation? Thats assuming all these statements are true, your psychic ability may not be 100% maybe she did yell just a little bit?

Is your list all thats needed to establish an automatic verdict of not guilty? You should send this theory to some legal people. You must be sick of us laughing at you. Some fresh people to laugh at you might be a welcome change.

I notice that as well as Islamic fundamentalist legal principles you are also adopting "leftist ad-hom". You'll be a full blown islamomarxist in no time

:roll:

some other facts about this case that you may have missed.

He pulled a gun on her and told her if she yelled or reported it he would shoot her and her Grandmother....... He forced her to take her own clothes off. Now, like a lot of your "facts" this is a complete fabrication....but it would be the perfect crime under your legal system, automatic not guilty.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Good thinking Jedi. You are getting there...all the questions you raise are the sort of issues that would be dealt with in a court of law in front of a Jury. I know it would be cheaper for the taxpayer to use use your psychic abilities to determine peoples guilt........But until then I think the good old court and Jury will probably continue to be used. If you were on the Jury, your opinions would count....until then you are just another troll on the internet. Your opinion is as valuable as any other internet trolls opinion.

So, by your psychic system of guilt and innocence
1. no other witnesses
2. not yelling
3. no injuries
4. clothes not ripped off
5. not reporting it same day.

All this means it was a fake accusation? Thats assuming all these statements are true, your psychic ability may not be 100% maybe she did jell just a little bit?

Is your list all thats needed to establish an automatic verdict of not guilty? You should send this theory to some legal people. You must be sick of us laughing at you. Some fresh people to laugh at you might be a welcome change.

I notice that as well as Islamic fundamentalist legal principles you are also adopting "leftist ad-hom". You'll be a full blown islamomarxist in no time

:roll:

Got something to contribute to this debate or are you stuck in permant loser mode? :rolleyes:

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Got something to contribute to this debate or are you stuck in permant loser mode? :rolleyes:

JK
Reducing you to pointless one liners is normally regarded as a win in the "wack a mole" Jedi game....... Go start another thread, remember....If you state it often enough someone may think its true.....

[Tmy]

Rape rape rape rape rape.........


Hes not being charged wh rape. Hes being charged wh 3rd degree sexual assualt. That raises an eyebrow in itself.

This is just some golddigging whore looking to score some cash.

Everyone wants to compare this too Tysons case. After wathing that last report on the Pulse, I was left thinking that Tyson was innocent and really got hosed at trial.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Shouldn't there be a penalty for false-rape accusations? How can rape be proven when the sex is consentual? I can see if the woman was beaten up, had her clothes ripped off her body and her head bashed into submission, but if there is no overt damage to the female, she went willingly, no?

Why aren't there claw marks on Kobe's face from the victim's 'resistance' to the so-called 'rape'?

JK

As for the penalty issue regarding false rape accusations, that is called 'Perjury' (willfully making a false statement while under a legal oath) and it is a felony in every state in the country.

As for the sex being consensual or not, that can be a real problem in rape trials. In most rape cases there are only two witnesses (the victim and the defendant) and both claim that there was sex, however one claims it was consensual and the other says it was not. Therefore, the cases are really decided upon the physical evidence and the prosecutor is not about to discuss the details of the evidence until he actually has to for fear of tipping his hand.

Face it JK, there is a good bit going on with this case than has been discussed in the media and you are certainly not the investigating officer and/or have some special confidence with the District Attorney, so in spite of your analysis of the news accounts, I prefer to make my own judgments on the matter.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Then you agree that most cases of rape accusations are false? No. I said nothing of the kind. I'm asking what, in your opinion, makes you think that he raped her when usually, in your opinion, you tend to come down on the side of the man being the victum of the woman. What about this case made you reverse your usual stance?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Reducing you to pointless one liners is normally regarded as a win in the "wack a mole" Jedi game....... Go start another thread, remember....If you state it often enough someone may think its true.....

You never contribute anything but ad hom, troll. When you step out of the gutter maybe I will talk to you. Until then, take the piss.

JK

[Tricky]

This must be a real dilemma for you, Jedi, what with the inner struggle to see if racism or mysogeny will win out. It sure would have been a lot easier for you if a black woman had been the accused rapist.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Upchurch
No. I said nothing of the kind. I'm asking what, in your opinion, makes you think that he raped her when usually, in your opinion, you tend to come down on the side of the man being the victum of the woman. What about this case made you reverse your usual stance?

Well, she worked there, knew everyone and yet didn't ask for help at the hotel. So when she left she left dozens of people she merely had to whisper to for help but didn't. She worked there so she knew where every telelphone was and yet didn't use any of them.

Then she left the building of that gated community which has more police protection than a small town and got in her car rather than walking up to a single officer and telling them that she was raped.

So she goes home and a day later calls the police? :eek:

I think she went home, felt guilty for some reason about the sexual act with Kobe--maybe some of her 'friends' found out about it. In a small town like that a white girl having sex with a black guy can ruin her reputation with the locals.

But she knows how to solve the problem. Just claim 'rape'. The 'system' is designed to 'cleanse' a female's bad consentual sex decisions with that one single claim.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky
This must be a real dilemma for you, Jedi, what with the inner struggle to see if racism or mysogeny will win out. It sure would have been a lot easier for you if a black woman had been the accused rapist.

Speak for yourself.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight



I think she went home, felt guilty for some reason about the sexual act with Kobe--maybe some of her 'friends' found out about it. In a small town like that a white girl having sex with a black guy can ruin her reputation with the locals.



JK
Good Boy...good use of the words "I think" you may whine about me constantly pointing out your lies but I appear to be having a positive benifit on your debating skills......Use "I think" more often, its way better than your usual technique of just claiming your opinions are facts.

And If I were her I wouldn't worry too much about my reputation amongst racists. I wouldn't care If the KKK thought I was a nice girl or not......

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool
And If I were her I wouldn't worry too much about my reputation amongst racists. I wouldn't care If the KKK thought I was a nice girl or not......

I am not aware of any black civil rights groups belonging to the KKK. Still taking the piss I see.

JK

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

report to the Klu Klux Klan Chapter nearest to you posthaste.


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It's noteworthy that Kobe Bryant is black. You know black guys, they never can resist to have sexual relations with women.

He's also rich(correct me if I'm wrong) and famous. So he used wealth and fame to hog the women supply. He laid with a woman when he already had an official one to lay with.

Someday we're going to have to start punishing people for deeds such as this.
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KKK Chapter (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/group.jsp?map_data_type_id=3)

California Map of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=5)

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[The Central Scrutinizer]

Would this qualify as bringing a thread back from the dead? :D

But, it gave me a laugh. Got to read through and be reminded of how truly stupid JK was!

[Suddenly]

Thought maybe someone would cite the story this apst weekend where the Kansas State quarterback was accused of sexual assault in a similar situation where the quarterback claimed the sex was consensual.

Prosecutors declined to file charges citing a lack of evidence...