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gumboot
8th March 2007, 01:27 AM
This is going to give the Loosers a raging clue...

We often talk about how Hollywood films create a lot of woo thinking... well Antoine Fuqua has come up with a doozie. Based on a novel by Stephen Hunter, this is the basic plot of Shooter:

A former USMC sniper is re-emplyed by the US Government to counter a hit on the US President. Except it's all a set-up; when the hit occurs, he's framed for the crime.

While the corrupt members of government seek to silence him, he decides courageously to take on those that framed him head on.

Of interesting note, in the trailer we see a brief shot where the 9/11 Commission Report is sitting by his computer, implying he has been reading it.

-Gumboot

Coritani
8th March 2007, 01:37 AM
Huh. This actually looks pretty interesting. It's on my 'to see' list, next to 300 and The Bourne Ultimatum.

I bet it's jhust the NWO playing with us. Dangling it right in front of our noses, but we dismiss it as 'just a move'. Cunning lot, they are.

The Doc
8th March 2007, 05:07 AM
Sounds interesting.

I would actually love to see a film that is intentionally fictional released that claims the USG was behind 9/11. That way, when LC:FC comes out - the reaction will be along the lines of "Someone saw *movie title* one too many times".

Finally we would see 9/11 conspiracy placed into its ever deserving "fiction story" category.

Juustin
8th March 2007, 06:19 AM
Sounds interesting.

I would actually love to see a film that is intentionally fictional released that claims the USG was behind 9/11. That way, when LC:FC comes out - the reaction will be along the lines of "Someone saw *movie title* one too many times".

Finally we would see 9/11 conspiracy placed into its ever deserving "fiction story" category.


Or even better, a fictional film about a group of friends who were making a fictional movie about a 9/11 conspiracy, who eventually convince themselves that's what really happened. Hilarity ensues.

Myriad
8th March 2007, 10:33 AM
Assuming this is based on the Stephen Hunter novel Point of Impact as it appears to be, it should make a fine movie. It'll be interesting to see if the film can pull off something unusual that the novel manages to: giving individual fictional rifles the kind of cachet that's usually reserved for swords in fantasies (Excalibur, Anduril, Green Destiny, etc.)

The biggest boost to CT memes will be the "hawkish rogue faction within the government/military" element. But aren't there plenty of movie examples of that already?

Respectfully,
Myriad

SkepticGuy
8th March 2007, 10:41 AM
We often talk about how Hollywood films create a lot of woo thinking... well Antoine Fuqua has come up with a doozie.

I think you're getting it wrong. There's a clear cultural "soft spot" for conspiracy theories. One needs only to review the hit TV series, X Files to understand the cultural resonance inherent in many core conspiracy topics -- men in black, aliens, assassinations, black-ops, secret bases, etc.

These aren't "fodder" for conspiracy theorist, they're inspired by conspiracy theorists.

Brainster
8th March 2007, 10:47 AM
I read the book a number of years ago and thought it was pretty good. Hunter apparently writes books all based around the "sniper" theme.

beachnut
8th March 2007, 10:50 AM
I think you're getting it wrong. There's a clear cultural "soft spot" for conspiracy theories. One needs only to review the hit TV series, X Files to understand the cultural resonance inherent in many core conspiracy topics -- men in black, aliens, assassinations, black-ops, secret bases, etc.

These aren't "fodder" for conspiracy theorist, they're inspired by conspiracy theorists.

Yes, most love fiction. Woos think fiction is real. LC is the prime example of fiction being sucked up as reality.

Star Trek is the other side. Good Woo.

Loose Change is at the other end. Bad Woo.

SkepticGuy
8th March 2007, 11:00 AM
Loose Change is at the other end. Bad Woo.

Agreed. It's probably the single-worst thing to happen to "conspiracy theories" since David Icke. (Not that I dislike him, he's a great chap, but his ideas... well...)

azazal
8th March 2007, 12:14 PM
Didn't I see this movie already? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119709/)

skepticalcriticalguy
8th March 2007, 09:19 PM
Didn't I see this movie already? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119709/)

And we saw 9/11 in The Lone Gunmen, too. ;)

Rahne Everson
8th March 2007, 09:45 PM
Or even better, a fictional film about a group of friends who were making a fictional movie about a 9/11 conspiracy, who eventually convince themselves that's what really happened. Hilarity ensues.

I always thought that the story behind Loose Change was an extremely crappy rip-off of Foucault's Pendulum.

LashL
8th March 2007, 09:56 PM
Didn't I see this movie already? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119709/)

Imitation/flattery and "there's nothing new under the sun" all spring to mind. :)

gumboot
9th March 2007, 01:24 AM
These aren't "fodder" for conspiracy theorist, they're inspired by conspiracy theorists.


They're inspired by old conspiracy theorists, but they inspire new conspiracy theorists. It's a vicious cycle, I tells ya.

-Gumboot