Wanna see something cool?

[Fnlou]

http://www.ex-atheist.com

Have a nice day! :)

Now Quickly - Run to your search engines!

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Fnlou
http://www.ex-atheist.com

Have a nice day! :)

Now Quickly - Run to your search engines!
*yawn*. go date billiefan, or something. you two are meant for each other.

[Martin]

So where is it?

[Lord Kenneth]

...Search engines?

Anyways, that site is so stupid.

Optical illusions prove nothing except that our brain interpretes vision in certain ways. Black-on-black is nothing special, there is nothing spiritual about looking for a chameleon.

Poetry... HAHAHA, what a loon.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I don't get it.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
I don't get it.

then you probably shouldn't date billiefan.

[ImpyTimpy]

Kenneth summaries the site very well..

Basically gives some interesting things such as optical illusions and paradoxes and quickly proceeds to claim that they are reason to believe in God because when you look at something one way, you see it a certain way but if you look at it a different way you see it another.

My favourite example would have to be the black on black square - highlight the text and the author claims you're thinking spiritually.

The argument is very shoddy to say the least. When you look at the scriptures differently you'll accept the bible and therefore accept God. So if you abandon all rational thinking and begin to believe the ************ bible contains, you will believe in God. All aboard, the woo-woo express to moronville is leaving.

So tell me, why am I supposed to run to my search engine when the argument is so shoddy to begin with?

[Lord Kenneth]

Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
So tell me, why am I supposed to run to my search engine when the argument is so shoddy to begin with?


To find this (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1040133).

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Fnlou
http://www.ex-atheist.com

Have a nice day! :)

Now Quickly - Run to your search engines!
Wowwie Zowwie! NE1 hoo see dees neato optilcal illuzyuns is sure 2 find da lite a God. I FIMALLY SEE DA LIT!

(I'm not sounding a little too Pillory am I...)

[Zep]

On the evidence(!) presented, I'm willing to bet that this dude was never a "skeptic" at all. It sounds a lot like a fundie doing some real bad acting instead, trying to (ahem) convert us.

SNORE

Zep

[Yahweh]

Oh really?! Now I never woulda thought a fundie would pretend to be an ex-atheist to convert us heathens to Christianity. :rolleyes:

[evildave]

Fools! The optical illustions prove only that Star Wars is REAL!

The "candle stick" is simply a rendition of what a Jedi light sabre would look like to primitive people.

The second picture is of the water from the garbage compactor from Episode IV: A New Hope.

The black box only teaches that the Force is hidden to most, due to their low mediclorian counts.

[Vorticity]

from the site: (bold mine)
The Mobius strip is a figure that has only a single surface. If you take a narrow strip of paper, give it a 180 degree twist and join its ends together, you have created a Mobius strip. You have taken a piece of paper that had two sides (front and back) and turned it into a model with only one side. Take a marker and try to color one side of the Mobius strip. You will find that there is only one surface to color.

ANALYSIS

The Mobius strip is a paradox; logically, an object with only one surface can't exist
BWAAAA-HAAAA-HA-HAAAAAA!!

Yes, the yux keep comin', folks...

[Yahweh]

The Mobius strip is a paradox; logically, an object with only one surface can't exist
Apparently this guy has never owned marbles before (because they cant exist :confused: ).

[Filippo Lippi]

All that's happened is that I have gone cross-eyed...

no wait...

who's that with a white beard behind that tree?

[Missy]

Did anyone actually see what the hidden picture was in Lesson 2?
Dammit! Couldn't get the right focus and now I've got sore eyes

:(

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Missy
Did anyone actually see what the hidden picture was in Lesson 2?
Dammit! Couldn't get the right focus and now I've got sore eyes

:(
If you cross your eyes (to mimic double vision), you begin to see that the image is a sillohuette of an angel flying in the sky.

[Missy]

Ahh crap.. Almost had it.. lost it before I could make out what the picture was.. figures.. spose I'll just have to take your word for it..

Thanks anyway Yahweh :)

[MRC_Hans]

Mmm, couldn't catch this one. I never used to be able to see them stereograms, but recently got a book wich explained a method that generally works for me. Not that they're very interesting.

Anyway, what is the idea of that site? The message seems to be: Things are not always as they seem. Well, sure! What else is new?

I think we look at one of the major misconceptions among believers here: They seem to think that skeptics are fearful narrowminded people who do not dare to look beyond what has been proven to them. This, however is far from the truth.

Let me tell you how I became a skeptic:

I was not brought up in a Christian home, but rather one of alternative beliefs; astrology, telepathy, UFOS, feelings of plants, pyramid power, von Däniken, .... you name it, we believed it at some point.

The change started with von Däniken. He tried to prove that the Egyptians had electic light when they built the pyramids, and I thought his evidence was pretty thin, so I started investigating this and his other stories, but finding other sources. First big blow was his and other woowooo's constant claim that scientists were closeminded and did not want to think creatively: Many researchers mentioned possibilities even more exotic than Däniken, then analyzed and rejected them. In short, Däniken's many theories turned out to be based mainly on thin air.

Then, of course, getting a technical education opened my eyes to the realities of the world: I'm not likely to buy into stories about "biological fields" and such; after a lifetime of working with highly sensitive instruments, I think I would have noticed such things if they existed.

Over time, I have investigated many types of supernatural claims and found most to be lacking even a schred of evidence. Even God: If God exists (and I acknowledge that possibility), he certainly does not seem to meddle with the physical world.

I think it would be marvellous if magic existed (I'm a devout SciFi/Fantasy reader), it would be great to know that GOd watched over us, and being a peron of insatiable curiosity, I'm sure I could put an eternal life (even in Hell) to some interesting use. But, whichever way I look, it seems that we're stuck in this material world.


Hans

[Yahweh]

Anyway, what is the idea of that site? The message seems to be: Things are not always as they seem. Well, sure! What else is new?
The general message of the site is "I want to convert as many atheists to Christianity as I can". The logic involved is the philosophical ideal that provided with the same material, why should 2 people perceive differing meanings of what the material is (or is about)? But then again, faith can be analzyed, and faith doesnt withstand to well against science.

Of course, I believe the site was created by a Christian (or group of Christians) posing as an atheist in an attempt to "make the heathens repent". Unless I come to a miraculous revelation in my life that God can and does exist, I will never repent (not even as a joke).

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Missy
Ahh crap.. Almost had it.. lost it before I could make out what the picture was.. figures.. spose I'll just have to take your word for it..

Thanks anyway Yahweh :)
Its a horse.

Just pick 2 identical parts of the picture and put then together.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Yahweh

If you cross your eyes (to mimic double vision), you begin to see that the image is a sillohuette of an angel flying in the sky.

I haven't bothered to follow the link, but..

Another angel ? With WINGS ?:mad:

Why do angels have wings? Can some fundy explain this to me? Why do they have wings?

I think I would give my heart to Jesus, if I could get a rational answer to this question?

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Diogenes


I haven't bothered to follow the link, but..

Another angel ? With WINGS ?:mad:

Why do angels have wings? Can some fundy explain this to me? Why do they have wings?

I think I would give my heart to Jesus, if I could get a rational answer to this question?
is not a angel it is a horse.

If angel have wings it should looks like a bat wing, not like a bird wing.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by LuxFerum

Its a horse.

Just pick 2 identical parts of the picture and put then together.
Horse? I still see an angel... oh well, more than likely I'm probably wrong. When I look, I can see a horse actually (probably because it was suggested)...

This is what I see...

[LuxFerum]

dude, that is scary.:D

[Yahweh]

Scary indeed... I'm aesthetically challenged... my "art" is excrutiating to look at...

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Fnlou
http://www.ex-atheist.com

Have a nice day! :)

Now Quickly - Run to your search engines!

Check your premises, Mr. A.S.A. Jones!

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Horse? I still see an angel... oh well, more than likely I'm probably wrong. When I look, I can see a horse actually (probably because it was suggested)...

This is what I see...
You're in the throes of a religous hallucination. The site is working! Don't go back! It's a horse! It's a horse!

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer

You're in the throes of a religous hallucination. The site is working! Don't go back! It's a horse! It's a horse!
Agreed... maybe subconsciously I was thinking I was supposed to see something related to Christianity.

But after reading the front page... I wonder what kind of idiot am when it says in plain English:
If you aren't familiar with this type of artwork, and if you haven't experienced seeing one of these hidden three dimensional images pop into view, you may think that I am a liar or a lunatic when I tell you that this poster contains a definitive and detailed image of a galloping horse.

Honestly, I've never actually been able to "see" what I'm supposed to see. I always get an image... but never the right one...

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Honestly, I've never actually been able to "see" what I'm supposed to see. I always get an image... but never the right one...
Just try again and don't push it. if you have some reflex in the monitor, it will be harder.

Just pic 2 identical points and put then together in the middle,

[Skeptical Greg]

Yep. It's a horse.. Doesn't even have wings.. ( Your sketch doesn't come close Yahweh .. )

Just try again and don't push it. if you have some reflex in the monitor, it will be harder

Actually, an excellent technique for viewing these images is to focus on the reflections ( as when they are in a frame behind glass ).. Focusing on the relected image and not the image itself, will cause the hidden image to emerge...

[Hexxenhammer]

Holy hell is his poetry bad. I'm glad it's his "one and only attempt". Any English teachers care to critiqe?

[Ipecac]

I have to give the guy credit, though. He at least lets you know he's a complete moron from the very first sentence.

My twenty years of atheism ended when I discovered the truth of the Bible through a change in the way I had been interpreting scripture.

:big:

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Holy hell is his poetry bad. I'm glad it's his "one and only attempt". Any English teachers care to critiqe?
I dont teach English but I'm happy to say the poetry is "sucky" as well as "crappy"...

[Dancing David]

Maybe they used the Yahzi Truth Bat (TM), one too many times. So one atheist becomes a christian, so?

Hey we have a new hit and run poster.

What no scathing commentary?

[Martin]

I still wanna see something cool :(

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Martinm
I still wanna see something cool :(

Is this cool enough for you, sir?
:D
http://www.adl2.com/images/ice_cube.jpg

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Fnlou
http://www.ex-atheist.comI have doubts that Jones was ever an atheist or, if he was, he wasn't one because he sat down and reasoned it out. In otherwords, he might have been an atheist, but he's never been a skeptic.

For example, take this quote from the site.I would like to make a distinction between skeptics and rabid, drooling anti-Christian intellectuals. Ordinary skeptics aren't driven to skepticism by a hatred of Christianity. There are many atheists who sincerely don't believe in the existence of god for a variety of reasons. Some have even expressed the desire to believe in that which they honestly can't intellectually accept. When a skeptic, who doesn't have an axe to grind, sees sense in your argument, he will acknowledge it. When an anti-Christian intellectual sees sense in your argument, he'll do anything he can to shut you up, including making threats and following through with them. That said, the term 'Skeptic', as it appears in this essay, refers to the anti-Christian intellectual. The Jones almost comes up with an accurate description of a skeptic in the fifth sentince, but nearly every thing else describes, rather, a hard atheist, not a skeptic. Worse, it is a fundy-Christian's spin on hard atheism (e.g. "rabid, drooling anti-Christian").

Just poking around, there is just too much to actually point out each flaw in reasoning, but the biggest whole that I see (or haven't seen) is the lack of explination for why he chose to accept the Christian Bible as an authority rather than some other religious text. Now Quickly - Run to your search engines! ??? What does this mean? Run to my search engine for what?

[Yahweh]

If this person was really an atheist, I'm sure his reasoning for going to Christianity might have an atheistic appeal. What do I mean? Well, perhaps this character might offer more explanation than "Look at all the neat possibilities... you have to have faith". I dont know, perhaps some scientific evidence to support his beliefs (or minimally a little logic) might appeal to atheists.

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Now Quickly - Run to your search engines!
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??? What does this mean? Run to my search engine for what?
The guy probably thinks Google is the atheist's security blanket or something... I know I become very calm and relaxed when I see that pretty colorful google logo... I can lounge around all day just looking at it...

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by Fnlou
http://www.ex-atheist.com

Have a nice day! :)

Now Quickly - Run to your search engines!

Big whoopee. Some regular on alt.atheism keeps an extremely large list of christian deconverts. It is hardly proof of anything.

[FireGarden]

Check your premises, Mr. A.S.A. Jones!
Careful now, people.
This board has already had a visitation from ASAJ
(I'm showing my JREF age now, almost a year! :D)
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=7515


Fnlou must have meant search the forum rather than google.
(Let's be charitable)


PS I only get a blank page from the Fnlou's link.
Could that be because I have disabled some scripts from non-trusted sites?

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by GoodPropaganda
PS I only get a blank page from the Fnlou's link.
Could that be because I have disabled some scripts from non-trusted sites?

The link works fine for me, but perhaps you might like to try this one: http://www.ex-atheist.com/2.html

[Fun2BFree]

This guy is so off base--is this truly hit and run or is Fnlou going to actually read the royal ripping he deserves...to start his discussion of morality is laughable....who's subjective opinion picked the Christian Bible as the source of morality??/Morality arises out of a desire to achieve a certain end in this real objective world--objectively measurable effects on our fellow citizens----not to reach some bogus after-life goals of an imaginary Referee in the sky. We have seen the results of following that failed philosophy too many times it has destroyed others and held us back. Religion is the greatest impediment to moral progress.

As for optical illusions and their connection--they show the folly of all religious belief---you cannot trust your own perceptions of what is real and not what is seen and not..you have to verify and question...and when you actually try to do that with any God notions but especially Christianity--poof--there is no independent verification--it is all faith in your own subjective conclusion brought about by cultural onditioning and some underlying hard-wiring that sees things in an orderly fashion even when they are not ordered.(gestalt phenomena)


What a moron!

[triadboy]

I wonder if 'ex-atheist' means when he was younger he ignored religion or was confused by it. Now that he has fallen into the religion trap, he can look back and say, "I was an atheist then."

I just can't imagine real atheists 'seeing the light' and heading down that tired-ass road.

I think Atheism requires some kind of logical thinking - an inner journey for the truth seed.

[FireGarden]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth


The link works fine for me, but perhaps you might like to try this one: http://www.ex-atheist.com/2.html

That's better!
Thanks

[Jet Grind]

Here's a quiz question

Fnlou is....

A.) A Troll
B.) A Spammer
C.) An idiot
D.) Billiefan's soul-mate
E.) All of the above

Pick your answer, I'm going with E.