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MG1962
11th March 2007, 09:15 PM
I was just watching a documentary about the Freemasons on National Geography. I simply dont know enough about the organisation etc to judge the value of the information, however one section stood out

They were discussing the existence of an inner and outer circle of Mason power. The inner being the super dooper top secret NWO or whatever they are accused of.

The Freemason made the point. If you ask a member of the outer circle, they are going to deny the existence of the inner circle because they simply dont know what it is, or about

If you ask a member of the inner circle, they have taken an oath never to reveal the existence of the inner circle or what the inner circle is about.

So using that logic, the only way the Masonic movement can dispell these claims is to admit them true (Even if they are not)

boloboffin
11th March 2007, 09:24 PM
The TRUE Freemasons...

Dr. Lao
11th March 2007, 10:22 PM
Tuble Cane

I can't say more.:p

MG1962
11th March 2007, 10:39 PM
Tuble Cane

I can't say more.:xtongue


***pouts*** I dont get it :(

Gravy
12th March 2007, 12:02 AM
The folks at the Loose Change forum will tell all you want to know about Freemasonry. You may even be a Freemason and not know it. You should stop by there. Tell them Elksniper007 sent you.

Mashuna
12th March 2007, 04:00 AM
I've got a stone wall that needs repairing. I'd love to find a local freemason, the masons round here charge a fortune.

Larry Lovage
12th March 2007, 06:43 AM
On a UK forum we have people who are obsessed with the Freemasons, and one of them, casting around for another affiliate member of the Illuminati came across the Shriners (http://www.shrinershq.org/Shrine/), and listed several old-timers from the world of entertainment who were members. I pointed out that they were clearly the American equivalent of the Water Rats (http://www.eabf.org.uk/gowr.htm), but to no avail of course. I think he was chiefly concerned with the Shriners' funny hats.

Larry Lovage
12th March 2007, 06:46 AM
Tuble Cane

I can't say more.:p
Well, I can. It's spelt Tubal Cain, or Tubal-cain, and he was the earliest of Adam's descendents to be apparently associated with crafts, ironwork and building iirc.

Dr. Lao
12th March 2007, 08:34 AM
Yeah, but I know the extra secret spelling!

LOL

(first heard it on TV show "News Radio" it was the secret word you told a judge so that he would find in your favor. Funny stuff.)

Jennie C.
12th March 2007, 11:05 AM
On a UK forum we have people who are obsessed with the Freemasons, and one of them, casting around for another affiliate member of the Illuminati came across the Shriners (http://www.shrinershq.org/Shrine/), and listed several old-timers from the world of entertainment who were members. I pointed out that they were clearly the American equivalent of the Water Rats (http://www.eabf.org.uk/gowr.htm), but to no avail of course. I think he was chiefly concerned with the Shriners' funny hats.

Who cares about the hats? Those little motorcycles are the scary part

firecoins
12th March 2007, 11:40 AM
I can neither confirm nor deny the existance of the inner circle of free masons.

flameowl
12th March 2007, 12:23 PM
I can't post links yet, but if you check out (with the www's) masonicinfo.com they have all kinds of debunking of the typical "Masons control the world" claptrap. There's also a list of famous freemasons maintained in affiliation with the site... Just in case anyone takes this seriously and wants a resource for debunking it...

gnome
12th March 2007, 12:27 PM
The rumor of an "inner" circle of Freemasons is merely a distraction from revealing the "inner" circle of the Salvation Army. Fnord.

MG1962
12th March 2007, 12:54 PM
I can't post links yet, but if you check out (with the www's) masonicinfo.com they have all kinds of debunking of the typical "Masons control the world" claptrap. There's also a list of famous freemasons maintained in affiliation with the site... Just in case anyone takes this seriously and wants a resource for debunking it...


Thanks for that. I thought the doco was pretty balanced. It was interesting to see the Masons admit that they were there own worst enemy regarding the lack of transparecy in the organisation. And they saw the documentary as the first step to changing that.

It is interesting that the Boy Scout movement has secret ritruals, sneaky hand shakes and yakkie yakkie doo chants, but they never get blamed for the sort of things the Masons do

Hmmmmm Hope I didn't just stumble onto something

The Silver Shadow
12th March 2007, 12:57 PM
I was a boy scout until I was 14, those secret handshakes were meant for us and it's not for you to know :D

FYI: 333rd Etobicoke Troop, Toronto, Canada

firecoins
12th March 2007, 01:30 PM
The rumor of an "inner" circle of Freemasons is merely a distraction from revealing the "inner" circle of the Salvation Army. Fnord.
Is that the militant wing of the Salvation Army?

firecoins
12th March 2007, 01:31 PM
Thanks for that. I thought the doco was pretty balanced. It was interesting to see the Masons admit that they were there own worst enemy regarding the lack of transparecy in the organisation. And they saw the documentary as the first step to changing that.

It is interesting that the Boy Scout movement has secret ritruals, sneaky hand shakes and yakkie yakkie doo chants, but they never get blamed for the sort of things the Masons do

Hmmmmm Hope I didn't just stumble onto something
I thought they were the ones keeping the Gay Man down? :eek:

Dr. Lao
12th March 2007, 07:05 PM
Is that the militant wing of the Salvation Army?


I hear they have an Evil Petting Zoo!

Elizabeth I
12th March 2007, 07:50 PM
Who cares about the hats? Those little motorcycles are the scary part

Tiny little motorcycles, tiny little cars, tiny little fire engines, it goes on and on...

JimBenArm
12th March 2007, 07:52 PM
Tiny little motorcycles, tiny little cars, tiny little fire engines, it goes on and on...
Why do I hear "Short People" by Randy Newman all of a sudden?
"They've got little arms, little eyes;
They go around telling great big lies!"

JimBenArm
12th March 2007, 07:53 PM
Hey, I just noticed I passed 1000 posts. Isn't there supposed to be merriment and joy all around?
And cake. I distinctly remember being promised cake.

LashL
12th March 2007, 08:17 PM
Hey, I just noticed I passed 1000 posts. Isn't there supposed to be merriment and joy all around?
And cake. I distinctly remember being promised cake.

I just noticed that I passed 2000 posts and became a "Master Poster" all of a sudden. I missed out on the cake, too. Damn.

Oh well, on the bright side, I know the secret Masonic handshake (although, admittedly, I am not impressed) because, not surprisingly, most people cannot keep a secret, contrary to the beliefs of troofers.

Knowing the secret handshake will have to sustain me for now, in the absence of cake and general merriment.

JimBenArm
12th March 2007, 08:22 PM
I just noticed that I passed 2000 posts and became a "Master Poster" all of a sudden. I missed out on the cake, too. Damn.

Oh well, on the bright side, I know the secret Masonic handshake (although, admittedly, I am not impressed) because, not surprisingly, most people cannot keep a secret, contrary to the beliefs of troofers.

Knowing the secret handshake will have to sustain me for now, in the absence of cake and merriment.
Man, I missed out on that, too!

Oh, well, I guess I can console myself that I made new friends here. Oh, wait, I just pi**ed all them off, too!

Yay! Who says I can't bring people together!

LashL
12th March 2007, 08:24 PM
Just for you, JimBenArm:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/Jazz99/1000cake.jpg

JimBenArm
12th March 2007, 08:27 PM
Just for you, JimBenArm:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/Jazz99/1000cake.jpg
Thanks!:D

ETA: That's too close to my age, BTW!

A W Smith
12th March 2007, 08:34 PM
I've got a stone wall that needs repairing. I'd love to find a local freemason, the masons round here charge a fortune.

how I became a Freemason

Was about 4 years ago we had a contract to frame a small shell addition for a tiny home in Wharton NJ. We had scheduled the work in anticipation of the owner "saving money" by completing his foundation himself. He had friends. Other Freemasons or so he though, who were supposed to help him. They came. They drank all his beer. They broke his cement mixer. We were already 2 1/2 weeks beyond the scheduled start. And he was 3 courses of block short of completion of his very messy and butchered foundation. Out of frustration I (we, actually me and partner) offered to finish his foundation off for nothing. Just to put this disaster behind us. This guy was a surveyor by trade and I found in 28 feet his foundation was off level by three inches. i had to pour a bond beam on top to make up that much error. To this day I don't think he ever completed his remodel. We have been there several times over the years to try and get back the compressor we loaned him. Kitchen cabinets can be seen through the windows nailed to bare studs. His siding is incomplete. And has several cubes of concrete block strewn about the hillside behind his house. Yes he overestimated.

PhantomWolf
12th March 2007, 08:47 PM
The Freemasons are a myth and diversion that was started by the real powers behind the curtain, the Stonecutters.

WilliamSeger
12th March 2007, 09:08 PM
The Freemasons are a myth and diversion that was started by the real powers behind the curtain, the Stonecutters.

Well, I've always been suspicious about those Odd Fellows. There's definitely something strange going on there...

Ysidro
13th March 2007, 07:09 AM
The Freemasons are a myth and diversion that was started by the real powers behind the curtain, the Stonecutters.

So that's who made Steve Gutenberg a star!

When are we havin' ribs?

Donal
13th March 2007, 07:37 AM
After ping pong.

gumboot
13th March 2007, 07:44 AM
The Freemasons are a myth and diversion that was started by the real powers behind the curtain, the Stonecutters.

What few people realise is that both of these organisations are ultimately controlled by the secretive and relatively unknown organisation called The Rockbreakers. Their militant arm is the Boulderdash whilst their Intelligentsia is called the Pebblestorm.

-Gumboot

Elizabeth I
13th March 2007, 07:35 PM
Hey, I just noticed I passed 1000 posts. Isn't there supposed to be merriment and joy all around?
And cake. I distinctly remember being promised cake.
Oh, well, you have one of the coolest avatars around. I keep a cardboard cutout of St. Dogbert by my desk.

JimBenArm
13th March 2007, 07:45 PM
Oh, well, you have one of the coolest avatars around. I keep a cardboard cutout of St. Dogbert by my desk.
My kids accuse me of actually being Dilbert!

Mobyseven
14th March 2007, 03:03 AM
My kids accuse me of actually being Dilbert!

Information you should never have posted on the net...:p

westprog
14th March 2007, 03:40 AM
It is interesting that the Boy Scout movement has secret ritruals, sneaky hand shakes and yakkie yakkie doo chants, but they never get blamed for the sort of things the Masons do


The scouts still get shut down in totalitarian regimes. Hitler and Stalin didn't like them.

MG1962
14th March 2007, 04:16 AM
The scouts still get shut down in totalitarian regimes. Hitler and Stalin didn't like them.

Yeah and look what happened to them :eek:

uk_dave
14th March 2007, 04:22 AM
Well, I've always been suspicious about those Odd Fellows. There's definitely something strange going on there...

Oddfellows local 151 behind the firehouse
Where Peewee sits to prove a sage to teach
Peewee gathered up his proof
Reached up and scratched his head
Fell down and hit the ground again

Firehouse. Firehouse.

Why do the heathens rage behind the firehouse
Where Peewee sits upon the wall to preach
This boy and girl that gather pearls
Of wisdom falling from his mouth
Wash off the blood, wash off the rum

Firehouse. Firehouse.

Oddfellows local 151 behind the firehouse
Where Peewee sits upon the wall to preach
This boy and girl that gather pearls
Of wisdom falling from his mouth
Wash off the blood, wash off the 151

Firehouse. Firehouse.
Firehouse. Firehouse.

http://www.musicbabylon.com/artist/REM/Document/73946-Oddfellows_Local_151-lyrics.htm

hmmmmmm firehouse, falling down, pearls of wisdom....and blood on hands....suspicious....

....better add michael stipe to the list of conspirators.

Brainache
14th March 2007, 04:46 AM
http://www.musicbabylon.com/artist/REM/Document/73946-Oddfellows_Local_151-lyrics.htm

hmmmmmm firehouse, falling down, pearls of wisdom....and blood on hands....suspicious....

....better add michael stipe to the list of conspirators.

What's the frequency Kenneth?