Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device

[Pro7]

Have Randi review all of this on this forum topic. He will tell you what exactly I was doing. :)

[NobbyNobbs]

Yes this device creates energy. It would probably violate the known physics laws on energy creation,



Energy Amplifiers generate increased electricity (I.E. Stun Guns which uses electricity to create or "amplify" more electricity as output)


I was top of class in high school for biology, electronics, etc.. I was also top in class in college majoring in cybernetics..

Somehow, those first two quotes belie the third.

Alright.. how would I scientifically prove that this is fact? .. What would satisfy the scientific community that this is real.. ???

Apply to Randi.



Imagine...

A chip with the same simple schematic diagrams, installed in anything that has a rechargeable battery pack. It would never be needed to plug into the wall socket to keep it recharged.

Imagine the possibilities this would give out to the entire world. Poor strapped countries with limit access to electricity would need a device like this..

so many things.. running across my mind ever since..

otherwords, who the hell CARES???? .. all of you think you're better than me in many ways (which might be true! LOL) Im buying the parts today to rebuild this and put it on a remote controlled car or truck. Ill be enjoying the benefits while all of you just go suck a lemon.

so END OF DISCUSSION.

Wow. All those possibilities, and the one benefit you choose to reap is playing with a remote controlled truck for hours at a time.


Sorry I remember exactly what it looked like.. I dont have any around here but I know I got some somewhere in a big storage at my company's office. I would have to dig through it probably for hours to find it..

If I had what is essentially a trillion-dollar check buried in my attic, you can bet I'd spend a few hours looking for it, rather than posting on this forum (no offense to my fellow JREFers)

[Pro7]

Passed borderline quite some time ago.

oooo im a mental patient at the nearest asylum.. wanna screw around with me.. come on and get it..

like they say..

"born in sin, come on in.. " lol

[PixyMisa]

The patent route would probably be best. You'd never be able to keep it a trade secret.

Hey, trillion dollars. You can by your own air force and blow up your competitors. ;)

[jsiv]

LOL

I have several screennames in JREF. lol. they will never find out (not by IP addy either! )

Ban me all you like.

I had fun here.. at least I completed my objection. Thats all I care about.
So you admit that you made it all up?

Okay then.

[Pro7]

So you admit that you made it all up?

Okay then.

No I didnt make it up.

CYA .. I gotta go now. #switching over to other screenname#

[jsiv]

No I didnt make it up.

CYA .. I gotta go now. #switching over to other screenname#
Yes you did.

[PixyMisa]

Amazing. This thread started at the bottom and went downhill from there.

Apart from a brief moment of shining glory courtesy of Psiload.

[Jimbo07]

Well, this quote says it all:

enigma is a cia term. go way, shoo, its gay to hang around here ..

...

Folks, it's not nice to tease 14-year-olds (+/- 3 yrs) like this. Pro7 is at a delicate time in life. Very early today I noticed a couple of posts which suggested imagination. After making nice, folks still went on the attack. We should have taken advantage of Pro's imagination (and attempts to reconcile) and helped push Pro in the direction of a good engineering or science education.

I still recommend it Pro...

:cool:

[Slimething]

We should have taken advantage of Pro's imagination (and attempts to reconcile) and helped push Pro in the direction of a good engineering or science education.

I still recommend it Pro...

:cool:

Ah, yes. If he would come over to the side of goodness and niceness (http://caronia.tvheaven.com/synopsis.html), we could have many wonderful discussion. If he taks his meds, that is.

[~enigma~]

Seems his hacking "threats" were as empty as I supposed.

[Shadow]

Its a long story how I became a inventor. I was top of class in high school for biology, electronics, etc.. I was also top in class in college majoring in cybernetics.. A lot of impressive work was done by me, but I will not go into those details since this will only make a few of you jealous. ...** I would seriously like to hear from all of you what you think of this. Thanks.

Not top of the class in physics...the best you could do is highly a efficent recycling systems. Maybe 99% if its frictionless. You have to factor in all the energy loss through motion and inertia...but your device is still profitable as you could make a more efficent toy car...or perhaps an electric car...go make a million on that idea. Electric cars are a b**** to recharge and a downfall as to why they aren't used in modern society vs gasoline.

I had the same idea you did except for real electric cars...I just never made one, to lazy & I have time travel to unravel first...

[Dan O.]

I think Pro7 has confirmed what I've been seeing since I joined this site. He started talking about something that couldn't be immediately understood without additional information and it wasn't long before the woo chants started and the information exchange shut down. I think we could use a little more open-mindedness around here.

As for those special capacitors, I think you could accomplish the same thing with modern components by raising the frequency. Such circuits are quite common these days. And much smaller too.

[Mashuna]

I liked his website though. I'd be convinced by a 'detective agency' that had great advertising lines like this:

There are thousands of cases out there which the end does not justify the means of such cases.

[MRC_Hans]

I think Pro7 has confirmed what I've been seeing since I joined this site. He started talking about something that couldn't be immediately understood without additional information and it wasn't long before the woo chants started and the information exchange shut down. I think we could use a little more open-mindedness around here.Not correct. While the exact claim was not immidiately understandable, its overall implications were quite clear in the OP: He claimed to have a device that generated energy from nothing. Thus, the woo chants were justified.

Further investigation thoroughly confirmed this.

Hans

[MortFurd]

I think Pro7 has confirmed what I've been seeing since I joined this site. He started talking about something that couldn't be immediately understood without additional information and it wasn't long before the woo chants started and the information exchange shut down. I think we could use a little more open-mindedness around here.

As for those special capacitors, I think you could accomplish the same thing with modern components by raising the frequency. Such circuits are quite common these days. And much smaller too.

What you saw is typical when people who know and understand a subject encounter someone who is blowing smoke.

The one possibility that is open is that Pro7 found a component that produced electricity when exposed to sunlight - misused some standard component as a solar cell, in other words. That's not what he claims, though. He claims he could run his RC car endlessly without recharging. Best case (if he had lashed up some kind of makeshift solarcell) the car would have to periodically rest to recharge.

Pro7 started this thread for the express purpose of trolling. Also, he has admitted to having more than one account at the forums.

[Dan O.]

He claimed to have a device that generated energy from nothing.

I think you are mistaken. Your own mindset cause you to read into Pro7's posts what you wanted to see. But I'll be skeptical and accept the evidence if you can point out the post where he made such a claim.

I do agree about the trolling. But what was the catch??

[MRC_Hans]

LOL
I have a job. I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States. Go back to the rabbit hole you came from.OK, I got this far.

Now everybody: Please stop playing with this sick puppy. It is not fun anymore.

Find 5 errors in the scenario below:

The owner of one of the largest companies in the United States invents a free energy device. He uses it for powering a toy truck, showing it off to family and friends, whereafter he dismantles it and. He does not know how to get a patent. He also does not know how to manufacture and sell his product or how to get scientific recongnition, so he asks advice from an internet forum, where he reveals details of his invention.

PS: There in no bonus for finding more than 5 errors.

Hans

[polkablues]

OK, I got this far.

Now everybody: Please stop playing with this sick puppy. It is not fun anymore.

Find 5 errors in the scenario below:

The owner of one of the largest companies in the United States invents a free energy device. He uses it for powering a toy truck, showing it off to family and friends, whereafter he dismantles it and. He does not know how to get a patent. He also does not know how to manufacture and sell his product or how to get scientific recongnition, so he asks advice from an internet forum, where he reveals details of his invention.

PS: There in no bonus for finding more than 5 errors.

Hans

Don't forget "Burned all evidence that said device was ever actually seen by anyone." That part just screamed credibility.

[MortFurd]

I think you are mistaken. Your own mindset cause you to read into Pro7's posts what you wanted to see. But I'll be skeptical and accept the evidence if you can point out the post where he made such a claim.

I do agree about the trolling. But what was the catch??
Read the first post in this thread by Pro7. He states that he ran his RC car continuously, with his mysterious device recharging the battery so that the car could run without pause.

That's creating energy out of nothing.

[Dan O.]

Read the first post in this thread by Pro7. He states that he ran his RC car continuously, with his mysterious device recharging the battery so that the car could run without pause.

That's creating energy out of nothing.

Those are your words, not his.

[polkablues]

Yes this device creates energy.

Those are his words. Will that suffice?


(If you would like to check that, it's post #17, right on the first page of the thread. Happy reading!)

[MRC_Hans]

I think you are mistaken. Your own mindset cause you to read into Pro7's posts what you wanted to see. But I'll be skeptical and accept the evidence if you can point out the post where he made such a claim.

Here, from the opening post:

The device was actually recharging the battery while playing with it. It worked perfectly ... The battery kept being recharged.. I measured it with a handheld pinpoint battery device.. it kept being registered as FULL on the meter..


Kindly explain what other than a free energy device would cover the above description.

I do agree about the trolling. But what was the catch??

Mmmm, what is your mission here?

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

I think pro7 may have said one truth. The one about several usernames.

Notice this post: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2427351#post2427351

Why the interest for pro7, DanO?

Hans

[Thabiguy]

I'm really disappointed with the course of this thread. When it started, Pro7 may not have been exactly the embodiment of sophistication, but at least he had a cool cat icon. Now he has something that looks like a deer jumping off a cliff. It is beyond me why he would throw away the one thing that made him interesting.

[Geckko]

OK, I got this far.

Now everybody: Please stop playing with this sick puppy. It is not fun anymore.

Find 5 errors in the scenario below:

The owner of one of the largest companies in the United States invents a free energy device. He uses it for powering a toy truck, showing it off to family and friends, whereafter he dismantles it and. He does not know how to get a patent. He also does not know how to manufacture and sell his product or how to get scientific recongnition, so he asks advice from an internet forum, where he reveals details of his invention.

PS: There in no bonus for finding more than 5 errors.

Hans

Now, you are being a little unfair.

To quote Pro7 more accurately she/he stated clearly

I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States

She/he holds one share in Walmart.

Now, carry on...

[MRC_Hans]

Now, you are being a little unfair.

To quote Pro7 more accurately she/he stated clearly



She/he holds one share in Walmart.

Now, carry on...Full quote (my emphasis):

I have a job. I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States

Holding a share is not a job.

However, you are probably right :rolleyes: . I'll count it as one error found ;).

Hans

[aggle-rithm]

I'm really disappointed with the course of this thread. When it started, Pro7 may not have been exactly the embodiment of sophistication, but at least he had a cool cat icon. Now he has something that looks like a deer jumping off a cliff. It is beyond me why he would throw away the one thing that made him interesting.

The avatar merely reflects his transient states of mind.

At first he was curious, now he feels like jumping off a cliff.

[aggle-rithm]

Full quote (my emphasis):



Holding a share is not a job.

However, you are probably right :rolleyes: . I'll count it as one error found ;).

Hans

He could be a Walmart employee with stock options.

[RenaissanceBiker]

Theory: DanO. = Pro7

[Myriad]

No I didnt make it up.

CYA .. I gotta go now. #switching over to other screenname#


[Spongebob narrator with fake French accent voice]Three hours and forty minutes lay-tare...[/Spongebob narrator with fake French accent voice]

I think Pro7 has confirmed what I've been seeing since I joined this site. He started talking about something that couldn't be immediately understood without additional information and it wasn't long before the woo chants started and the information exchange shut down. I think we could use a little more open-mindedness around here.

As for those special capacitors, I think you could accomplish the same thing with modern components by raising the frequency. Such circuits are quite common these days. And much smaller too.


Theory: DanO. = Pro7


Gee, do you think so?

Has anyone else ever noticed the temporary improvements in spelling, grammar, sentence structure, and manners that seem often to happen when someone switches identities on a bulletin board? I wonder if this phenomenon has ever been studied. Maybe there could be therapeutic value in inducing such brain reboots more often, by artificial means.

Respectfully
Myriad

[Lonewulf]

Theory: DanO. = Pro7

Makes sense to me!

[bruto]

I'm very open minded. As soon as someone tells me what "mechanism" is inside a capacitor, I'll listen to the rest.

[~enigma~]

DanO?

Anyone here remember Hawaii Five-o? We have a sock sighting :)

[RenaissanceBiker]

I'm very open minded. As soon as someone tells me what "mechanism" is inside a capacitor, I'll listen to the rest.

It's not really a mechanism. A capacitor is a device that holds a number of tiny faeries that store electical energy as smoke in tiny bags. There's a code on the outside of capacitors that tells you how many faeries are inside.

I had a friend in college who claimed that electricity was just smoke compressed into the wires. He said he knew this because he had an old TV that smoked then stopped working. It was obvious that the smoke had leaked out. The repair shop wanted a lot of money to put new smoke back in it.

[Beady]

I had a friend in college who claimed that electricity was just smoke compressed into the wires. He said he knew this because he had an old TV that smoked then stopped working. It was obvious that the smoke had leaked out. The repair shop wanted a lot of money to put new smoke back in it.

Did the hypothesis explain the phenomenon, as observed?

[robinson]

Inspired by this insipid thread, I invented a device to solve the worlds energy problems. I would patent it, but I'm sure it would be stolen by everyone, so I offer it free to all.

I noticed that my gas tank in my car kept going empty, and not having money to fill it all the time, I simply put together a couple of existing devices, and installed them on my car. I put a splitter on the gas line, and one line goes to the fuel injectors, and the other goes back into the gas tank. This way the gas runs the car, and refills the tank. I don't have to buy gas now. I can't believe nobody thought of this before.

It is SO SIMPLE ANYONE CAN DO IT! The evil Government and the Oil comoanies must be supressing this invention. you can do this yourwself! it is easy! DON';T let the man keep you down anymore!!

[robinson]

OMG! two MIB just knocked on my door, and threatened me if i don't stopp running my car on this amazing device, so now i have to go remove it and destroy it and i can't ever tell anyone about it because it would estrou the worlds economies

so right after i take my meds and speak to the galactic overloards i am going to have to start paying for gas again, it isn;t fair they want you to be a slave to the energy cartells!

don't do it! YOU CAN BE FREEEE!

copy and paste this now before they erase my post above and destroy the secret!

[Orangutan]

OMG! two MIB just knocked on my door, Snip.

!Your lucky you got a warning! I modified my fuel lines like you said and look what the MIB did to my truck!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/Orangutan/car-fire.jpg

[robinson]

Damn MIB. If it wasn't for thems, we would have flying cars and stuff.

[Fnord]

Did the hypothesis explain the phenomenon, as observed?

[PSEUDO-SCIENCE]

Yes it does ... as far as it goes.

The "Light Pipe" hypothesis says that electricity is stored light. This is borne out by three observations:

1) The simplest electrical devices do little more than produce light. In other words, they release the light safely, except when they don't, which leads us to...

2) When a component fails, the light it contains bursts forth in such a rush that part of its containment is burned, and that is where the smoke comes from!

3) All electrical / electronic components serve to either convert light to another form, or they serve to restore the light to its original state (such as when video imagery is transmitted).

[/PSEUDO-SCIENCE]



Getting back to reality, I remembered reading about a hack that hybrid car owners can perform, in which Solar Cells are mounted on the vehicle, and connected to the main battery pack. This allegedly increases mileage by as much as 10%.

PERHAPS these "Photovoltaic Capacitors" were actually wired in parallel with the original battery pack, and provided a constant charging current to the batteries by converting light directly into electrical current, as would any solar cell.

HOWEVER, the efficiencies of "Photovoltaic Capacitors" is still less than 50%, and therefore could not possibly provide the "amazing" effects that Jacob reported. At best, he would experience less than a minute of extra run time.

IN CONCLUSION, the claims made by Mr. Dotson, at best, are exagerations; and, at worst, fabrications arising from ignorance of the laws of physics and basic electrical principles.



I will try slapping a few solar cells onto my own R/C car, just to see how much difference it does make. Not likely to be patentable, though. The report I read about "Solar-Powered Hybrids" was written by a Toyota research team.

Those Japanese ... gotta love 'em!

[Dan O.]

Mr. Robinson, Don't you know that many fuel injected cars already recirculate the gas back to the tank. They split the line after the fuel pump and feed the extra gas back into the tank. These cars typically get much better gas milage than the older cars. I don't think the MiB would come after you over such a well known technique. It's probably just the patent holder trying to collect royalties.

[Loss Leader]

IN CONCLUSION, the claims made by Mr. Dotson, at best, are exagerations; and, at worst, fabrications arising from ignorance of the laws of physics and basic electrical principles.

Considering how loud those R/C cars are and how often their wheels spin without moving the car (because they're temporarily upside down), there is potentially a lot of wasted energy available to be recaptured. I just don't believe that Pro7 actually recaptured any of it.

[Jimbo07]

Has anyone else ever noticed the temporary improvements in spelling, grammar, sentence structure, and manners that seem often to happen when someone switches identities on a bulletin board? I wonder if this phenomenon has ever been studied.

That's strange. Here, everyone is going to have to educate me on this weird phenomenon...

A poster comes in, sounding for all the world like a fourteen year old (who else says, "I'm a company pwner and ur so gay?"). Then, a second poster who is more articulate, starts supporting the first and is called a sock puppet. Does this mean the original poster was more articulate than first appearances indicate? If so, why interact with the world as though you've taken one too many blows to the head? :confused:

I've always understood 'troll' to be someone who wants to stir up a fight and possibly gain attention. However, does this mean trolls are actually malicious? What good is attention if you have to pretend to be six grade levels younger in order to get it? How does impersonating a child demonstrate cleverness?

...

I would have said that the differences in posting style meant they couldn't be the same person and then this:


As for those special capacitors, I think you could accomplish the same thing with modern components by raising the frequency. Such circuits are quite common these days. And much smaller too.

So, either Dan O. is someone different, whose understanding of electronics is just as poor, or it's the same person... but why? :boggled:

ETA: Sorry, I just read post 292, and can see some similarities...

[patnray]

I had a friend in college who claimed that electricity was just smoke compressed into the wires. He said he knew this because he had an old TV that smoked then stopped working. It was obvious that the smoke had leaked out. The repair shop wanted a lot of money to put new smoke back in it.

He's right. The simplest technique for troubleshooting electronic circuits is to crank up the voltage until something smokes. That's obviously the part that needs to be replaced.....

(Old repair shop joke...)

[MortFurd]

He's right. The simplest technique for troubleshooting electronic circuits is to crank up the voltage until something smokes. That's obviously the part that needs to be replaced.....

(Old repair shop joke...)

"Tune for maximum smoke."
Been there, done that.

[Beady]

[PSEUDO-SCIENCE]

Yes it does ... as far as it goes.

The "Light Pipe" hypothesis says that electricity is stored light. This is borne out by three observations:

1) The simplest electrical devices do little more than produce light. In other words, they release the light safely, except when they don't, which leads us to...

2) When a component fails, the light it contains bursts forth in such a rush that part of its containment is burned, and that is where the smoke comes from!

3) All electrical / electronic components serve to either convert light to another form, or they serve to restore the light to its original state (such as when video imagery is transmitted).

[/PSEUDO-SCIENCE]

If it's good enough for Ed Wood, it's good enough for me.

"See? See? Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid, stupid!"

[Psiload]

Mr. Robinson, Don't you know that many fuel injected cars already recirculate the gas back to the tank. They split the line after the fuel pump and feed the extra gas back into the tank. These cars typically get much better gas milage than the older cars. I don't think the MiB would come after you over such a well known technique. It's probably just the patent holder trying to collect royalties.


Yes... but is more gasoline returned to the tank than was taken out? In essence, that is what Pro7 claims was occurring with his flux capacitance powered RC truck.

[robinson]

Dan O and myself, are both having a bit of fun. I would hope this is obvious, but if not, that is what we are doing.

The concept is exactly the same. You split the power source, and use the power source to recharge the power source, and run the vehicle, at the same time.

That way you never run out! It is so obvious, it must be a plot to prevent us from doing this.

[The Atheist]

300 posts in a couple of days, I'd say he's doing ok!

It's threads like this which make me realise that 95% of people who make paranormal claims are just little twats who make stuff up as they go along.

The other 5% are clinically insane.

Enjoy

[~enigma~]

300 posts in a couple of days, I'd say he's doing ok!

It's threads like this which make me realise that 95% of people who make paranormal claims are just little twats who make stuff up as they go along.

The other 5% are clinically insane.

EnjoyI would say he belongs in the 95% but after reading his so-called business correspondence, he goes straight to the 5% and does not pass go :)

[jimbob]

I thought the Spartans won that battle.

Only if by "win" you mean wiped out except for two people who had been unable to see...

Spartans: just like the motto of the Spanish Foreign Leigon

"Down with intelligence and long live death"

[jsiv]

David Icke taught me how to become invisible by changing my frequencies.

[bruto]

Mr. Robinson, Don't you know that many fuel injected cars already recirculate the gas back to the tank. They split the line after the fuel pump and feed the extra gas back into the tank. These cars typically get much better gas milage than the older cars. I don't think the MiB would come after you over such a well known technique. It's probably just the patent holder trying to collect royalties.

Not many but all. The alternative would be to have fluctuating pressure with a pump that cycles on and off, or to empty the excess fuel on the highway. The better gas mileage is , of course, because of better metering of fuel by the injection system, not because it's a a new idea to put in a return line as an alternative to dumping the excess gas on the road. I think Mr. Robinson was probably aware of this.

[ellindsey]

I believe that our confused friend is referring to a photo-flash capacitor, not a 'photovoltaic' capacitor. These match his description and could conceivably be found in a TV set. Rubycon does still make and sell photo-flash capacitors in 330V ratings, such as the following:

h t t p://www . rubycon . co . jp/de/catalog/e_pdfs/aluminum/e_FK.pdf

(Link broken because I don't have enough posts yet)

There's nothing magic about them that would cause free energy, however.

[fuelair]

David Icke taught me how to become invisible by changing my frequencies.



"What's the frequency, Kenneth??!!"

[Pro7]

good.. u guys are thinking. :)

And no, Im not Dan.O

[Psiload]

good.. u guys are thinking. :)


You should give it a try sometime.

[~enigma~]

good.. u guys are thinking. :)

And no, Im not Dan.OLike we believe a proven liar. Still waitin for you to follow through on your threat and make me have a nightmare because o this.

[Pro7]

Like we believe a proven liar. Still waitin for you to follow through on your threat and make me have a nightmare because o this.

Threat? I never threatened you. All I said, was a possibility.

Apparently you have a consciousness which keeps remembering any idle threats. From your statement, it is obvious you were abused as a child.

True? is it not?

[jsiv]

Are we going to save the world today, Pro7?

[Pro7]

Are we going to save the world today, Pro7?

Who would want to save the world which is it is today? If you are into electronics, you can figure it out for yourself. Everything I said in this forum topic is true. I would not lie about something like this. Otherwords, if it was a lie.. then all the witnesses who have witnessed my RC truck powered by this device, would also be lying.

According to what Robinson said about gasoline powered engines, getting gas out of nowhere, now.. that is a impossibility and it does not have anything to do with this specific device which I tried to explain, apparently got mumbo jumbled up back somewhere which people were giving it negative thoughts.

Trust me, its not worth talking about it since the majority of the population of this forum will not believe a such thing without evidence.

[jsiv]

Who would want to save the world which is it is today? If you are into electronics, you can figure it out for yourself. Everything I said in this forum topic is true. I would not lie about something like this. Otherwords, if it was a lie.. then all the witnesses who have witnessed my RC truck powered by this device, would also be lying.

I really can't, because nothing you say makes any sense to me.

Now answer my previous post!



The photovoltaic cap has 26 strands of dielectric material and 27 strands of "storing material" inside it. Thats what makes it different from any other regular caps.

How so? What do regular caps look like? Do they only have 25 and 26?

Whats strange about this cap, is that it doesnt state any inscription on microferads or Uf infos on it. Thats what got me interested in the first place. All it says is "Photovoltaic 330V" thats it, and on the bottom "Rubicon".. thats all it said.
Are you sure it didn't say photoflash and came from one of the camera they used to shoot the fake moon landings with?

Please! I can't wait to save the world.

[DRBUZZ0]

While I have not read all the posts in this thread, as there are many. I'm just going to try to explain this as simply as possible. However, if someone else has, then sorry.


You have a battery. It turns a motor. The battery will eventually die. However if you connect the motor to a generator, you can make electrical current to charge the battery...

The problem? The energy has to come from the battery to begin with, and since no motor or generator is 100% efficient, you still loose energy. Even if it were 100% efficient, you would have no net gain.

So if you hook a generator to the wheels of a car and try to create energy, you cannot end up with enough to charge the battery more than it is being discharged.

Well okay.. the exception to this is regenerative breaking. But that only helps so much. Basically it means when the car is stopping, you recapture some of the energy to charge the battery. This would not actually give you back more than you put in, but since the energy would be lost anyways, it can help.

But that's just in the breaking situation.

So if you put a generator on the wheel of an RC car and have it feed a charging circuit and you observe the battery lasting longer.... Well... there is an explanation for this.

The generator needs force to be turned. This resists the car's forward motion and some of the energy is recaptured and sent to the battery. Perhaps this could end up making the battery seem to last longer, but this could only happen if a great deal of the energy was being recaptured rather than causing the car to move.

In other words: You're driving slower. You could achieve the same thing (only better, because no conversion loss) by just throttling down the car's speed.

Actually I can sell you a device which will make your battery last a LOT longer. It's called a "resistor"

[Pro7]

ok the "storing material" is alkaline material. That cap I had was designed differently. Yes the regular caps have different amounts of each material inside the cap.

I remember it as "Photovoltaic" as it was inscripted on it. However since it was a long time ago, I could be easily mistaken on the name of it. I would not rule that out if I were you.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Threat? I never threatened you. All I said, was a possibility.

Apparently you have a consciousness which keeps remembering any idle threats. From your statement, it is obvious you were abused as a child.

True? is it not?

Most of us have a "consciousness" that allows us to remember things.

Is an "idle threat" not a kind of "threat"?

Meanwhile, back to your OP--you do realize that the alternator on a car that replenishes the battery is powered by a huge gasoline-powered motor, don't you? So apparently what you've done with your RC toy is to install some kind of photovoltaic to help replenish the battery and extend the time you can play between recharges. So? This is nothing new or remarkable.

If you don't have an external source of power (light), your battery will still run down as quickly as ever, right?

Trust me, its not worth talking about it since the majority of the population of this forum will not believe a such thing without evidence.

Guilty as charged! (Please not that "its" is not the same as "it's"--it's an easy distinction to make.) Are you saying that it's good to believe extraordinary claims without evidence? If so, where (and how) do you draw the line? Do you believe every ghost story you hear? How about doomsday prophecies? Psychic claims?

[Pro7]

While I have not read all the posts in this thread, as there are many. I'm just going to try to explain this as simply as possible. However, if someone else has, then sorry.


You have a battery. It turns a motor. The battery will eventually die. However if you connect the motor to a generator, you can make electrical current to charge the battery...

The problem? The energy has to come from the battery to begin with, and since no motor or generator is 100% efficient, you still loose energy. Even if it were 100% efficient, you would have no net gain.

So if you hook a generator to the wheels of a car and try to create energy, you cannot end up with enough to charge the battery more than it is being discharged.

Well okay.. the exception to this is regenerative breaking. But that only helps so much. Basically it means when the car is stopping, you recapture some of the energy to charge the battery. This would not actually give you back more than you put in, but since the energy would be lost anyways, it can help.

But that's just in the breaking situation.

So if you put a generator on the wheel of an RC car and have it feed a charging circuit and you observe the battery lasting longer.... Well... there is an explanation for this.

The generator needs force to be turned. This resists the car's forward motion and some of the energy is recaptured and sent to the battery. Perhaps this could end up making the battery seem to last longer, but this could only happen if a great deal of the energy was being recaptured rather than causing the car to move.

In other words: You're driving slower. You could achieve the same thing (only better, because no conversion loss) by just throttling down the car's speed.

Actually I can sell you a device which will make your battery last a LOT longer. It's called a "resistor"

How about a "Electric Powered Generator" ???

[Pro7]

Most of us have a "consciousness" that allows us to remember things.

Is an "idle threat" not a kind of "threat"?

Meanwhile, back to your OP--you do realize that the alternator on a car that replenishes the battery is powered by a huge gasoline-powered motor, don't you? So apparently what you've done with your RC toy is to install some kind of photovoltaic to help replenish the battery and extend the time you can play between recharges. So? This is nothing new or remarkable.

If you don't have an external source of power (light), your battery will still run down as quickly as ever, right?


Guilty as charged! (Please not that "its" is not the same as "it's"--it's an easy distinction to make.) Are you saying that it's good to believe extraordinary claims without evidence? If so, where (and how) do you draw the line? Do you believe every ghost story you hear? How about doomsday prophecies? Psychic claims?


LOL... you would too need evidence to show the world if anything out of extraordinary functions. Like for me, I would need to reconstruct the device and start showing it to everyone. Anyone whose interested in it, then would want to take it apart and study how it functioned.

[jsiv]

ok the "storing material" is alkaline material. That cap I had was designed differently. Yes the regular caps have different amounts of each material inside the cap.

I remember it as "Photovoltaic" as it was inscripted on it. However since it was a long time ago, I could be easily mistaken on the name of it. I would not rule that out if I were you.
Alright then. So we agree that it was infact a normal electrolytic "photoflash" capacitor. That also fits nicely with your claim that it said 300V. At least that's progress, as these are widely available today.

We're well on our way to saving the world.

[Pro7]

Alright then. So we agree that it was infact a normal electrolytic "photoflash" capacitor. That also fits nicely with your claim that it said 300V. At least that's progress, as these are widely available today.

We're well on our way to saving the world.

Know whats funny? I just thought of something. What if that capacitor was indeed inscripted as "Photovoltaic" however it was a print mistake made by the company and it was pulled off the shelves because it was defective in old TV sets.

330V ... I would I could find recall notices on such television sets in regards to that specific cap..

[jsiv]

Know whats funny? I just thought of something. What if that capacitor was indeed inscripted as "Photovoltaic" however it was a print mistake made by the company and it was pulled off the shelves because it was defective in old TV sets.
There is not a chance in hell that a capacitor would be mislabeled as "solar powered" and then shipped to customers. It just is not going to happen.

So, I have several of these photoflash capacitors lying around, ranging from 300 to 400 volts. All I need now is the capacitance and any other important electrical characteristics and we're good to go.

I've never been this excited.

[JoeTheJuggler]

LOL... you would too need evidence to show the world if anything out of extraordinary functions.

Um. . .that's what I said.

[Dan O.]

I'm going to post while Pro7 is still logged on. Maybe it will help some of the folks here think. Then again, maybe not.

Have you thought about redesigning the circuit using smaller components? It would be like bailing out a boat with a thimble but if you work fast enough you can still make progress.

I have an old calculator around here that someone did a similar thing to. In the place where you would expect to find a 9V battery there was a pair of rechargeable AAs and a little circuit with a capacitor. I don't know how well it worked because the nicads were dead when I got it. It's also not the same as the toy truck because there are no motors involved so it won't be able to keep the batteries fully charged.

[Pro7]

There is not a chance in hell that a capacitor would be mislabeled as "solar powered" and then shipped to customers. It just is not going to happen.

So, I have several of these photoflash capacitors lying around, ranging from 300 to 400 volts. All I need now is the capacitance and any other important electrical characteristics and we're good to go.

I've never been this excited.

Yea I would have to agree with you the rarity of that thought about imprint mistakes. It was just a thought, but probably 99 percent impossible. I would like to see the recall notices on these old television sets hmm..

Ok do you happen to have any germanium resistors lying around too?

[jsiv]

It's also not the same as the toy truck because there are no motors involved so it won't be able to keep the batteries fully charged.
Damn. If only the manufacturers of electric cars knew what capacitors were, we'd never have to recharge the cars! It would be the end of gasoline cars!

[jsiv]

Yea I would have to agree with you the rarity of that thought about imprint mistakes. It was just a thought, but probably 99 percent impossible. I would like to see the recall notices on these old television sets hmm..

Ok do you happen to have any germanium resistors lying around too?
No, but I can get them in the morning. Just give me the specs.

By the way, which specific characteristics do germanium resistors have that we need? I want to learn.

[Pro7]

No, but I can get them in the morning. Just give me the specs.

By the way, which specific characteristics do germanium resistors have that we need? I want to learn.

those types of germanium resistors have to be low temp. We cannot afford high temp otherwise it will fry the circuit. How I did it, was having 3 germaniums on one side of the circuit and 2 germaniums on the other side of the circuit. These sets of germaniums causes a "split off" of power which one set goes to the truck and the other goes to the rechargeable battery pack.

You can review this from NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology ...

http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/jres/070/3/V70.N03.A05.pdf

Make sure you have acrobat reader... so the pdf file can be readable on your screen.

[ellindsey]

I strongly suspect that in addition to misremembering a photoflash capacitor as a "photovoltaic' capacitor, our pal here is actually meaning to say germanium diode, not germanium resistor. Looked at with that assumption, his description of the device sounds a bit like a highly garbled description of a voltage multiplier. Which doesn't generate free energy, but I can see someone who is baffled that a 9V powered taser can generate 50,000V mistaking a voltage multiplier for a free energy machine.

[jsiv]

those types of germanium resistors have to be low temp. We cannot afford high temp otherwise it will fry the circuit.
Dude, are you saying I have to lower the temperature in my room to 2K (-450F)? Surely your car would have frozen solid at those temperatures? My freezer can do about -4F, will that do?

How I did it, was having 3 germaniums on one side of the circuit and 2 germaniums on the other side of the circuit. These sets of germaniums causes a "split off" of power which one set goes to the truck and the other goes to the rechargeable battery pack.
So all I have to do is connect five "germanium resistors" in this manner together with my capacitor and I'll get free energy?

Man, I can't wait.

Also, I noticed you posted no specs like I requested. Does that mean the resistance and other characteristics are irrelevant? I can just pick five random resistors? Same with the capacitor, as long as it's 330V? Can you please draw a simple diagram to make it easier?

We'll get a nobel prize for this, for sure.

[jsiv]

I strongly suspect that in addition to misremembering a photoflash capacitor as a "photovoltaic' capacitor, our pal here is actually meaning to say germanium diode, not germanium resistor. Looked at with that assumption, his description of the device sounds a bit like a highly garbled description of a voltage multiplier. Which doesn't generate free energy, but I can see someone who is baffled that a 9V powered taser can generate 50,000V mistaking a voltage multiplier for a free energy machine.
You so called "skeptics" need a little faith. Electronics is more of an art than a science. Sometimes you just have to try random things and see what happens.

[Pro7]

Well, I am just trying to keep it simple. I did try to make alittle complex and it gets mumbled and jumbled up with negative response from the forum community, which kinda puts me down for trying to say something.... that confused the heck out of me so.. I dont need anyone's crap.

Its a resistor, not a diode. I know the difference :)

If I wanted, I could make a professional schematic diagram of the circuitry but I would rather allow anyone interested in making this for themselves.

[jsiv]

Well, I am just trying to keep it simple. I did try to make alittle complex and it gets mumbled and jumbled up with negative response from the forum community, which kinda puts me down for trying to say something.... that confused the heck out of me so.. I dont need anyone's crap.

Its a resistor, not a diode. I know the difference :)

If I wanted, I could make a professional schematic diagram of the circuitry but I would rather allow anyone interested in making this for themselves.
I do not need any professional schematics, I just want a simple drawing of how the capacitor, resistors and batteries go together.

Thanks!

[Pro7]

Dude, are you saying I have to lower the temperature in my room to 2K (-450F)? Surely your car would have frozen solid at those temperatures? My freezer can do about -4F, will that do?


So all I have to do is connect five "germanium resistors" in this manner together with my capacitor and I'll get free energy?

Man, I can't wait.

Also, I noticed you posted no specs like I requested. Does that mean the resistance and other characteristics are irrelevant? I can just pick five random resistors? Same with the capacitor, as long as it's 330V? Can you please draw a simple diagram to make it easier?

We'll get a nobel prize for this, for sure.

Hahahaha.. no no... I meant for the device itself for the temperature, it has be low temp resistors. thats all. Study WHAT I just said here, its a characteristic of the resistors. If you need the specs, you will have to do that yourself. "Balance the specs" is what I can tell you.

oh boy this is getting mumbled jumbled up again..

ok ok

maybe this simple description will help

330v>>2GR>>RC batt pack

330>>3GR>>RC truck

before you put those together make sure you put a dead (blank) rechargeable 9volt battery directly connected to the 330v cap.

[Pro7]

330v>>2GR>>RC batt pack

330>>3GR>>RC truck


err for more clarity:

9VdeadRechargeablebatt >330V>>2GR>rc batt pack
330V>>3GR>>RC truck or toy

Then when ure done with that, the last thing you have to add.. you can figure that out by adding a switch

[~enigma~]

Threat? I never threatened you. All I said, was a possibility.

Apparently you have a consciousness which keeps remembering any idle threats. From your statement, it is obvious you were abused as a child.

True? is it not?
Don't you hate not knowing? Anyway if I was why do you think it's a stigma like you think being gay is?

[rtalman]

Hahahaha.. no no... I meant for the device itself for the temperature, it has be low temp resistors. thats all. Study WHAT I just said here, its a characteristic of the resistors. If you need the specs, you will have to do that yourself. "Balance the specs" is what I can tell you.

oh boy this is getting mumbled jumbled up again..

ok ok

maybe this simple description will help

330v>>2GR>>RC batt pack

330>>3GR>>RC truck

before you put those together make sure you put a dead (blank) rechargeable 9volt battery directly connected to the 330v cap.

Whoa, hold on there sir. A dead battery connected to a capacitor (of unknown capacitance, tolerance, and temperature coefficient) ran through resistors (of unknown wattage, tolerance, and resistance) will create energy?

You have solved all the problems in the world. Forget the Randi challenge, go for the the $25M from the Virgin guy.

[Pro7]

What will happen is..

It will PARTIALLY DRAIN the original recharged battery pack once you put that in, because the power will go into the 330V capacitor. Then the power will then recharge the 9V dead battery attached to the 330V cap.

Then the cap will go to the switch (a transistor can be used) powering up the switch then splits it within the switch... then finally it will go to the germanium resistors for control and modulation, which one GR is directly lined to the battery pack, while the other GR is aligned to the RC toy itself.

[~enigma~]

Who would want to save the world which is it is today? If you are into electronics, you can figure it out for yourself. Everything I said in this forum topic is true. I would not lie about something like this. Otherwords, if it was a lie.. then all the witnesses who have witnessed my RC truck powered by this device, would also be lying. Bring them here so we can ask and if they do say your contraption created free energy I will call them liars to their faces.
According to what Robinson said about gasoline powered engines, getting gas out of nowhere, now.. that is a impossibility and it does not have anything to do with this specific device which I tried to explain, apparently got mumbo jumbled up back somewhere which people were giving it negative thoughts. So where is your energy coming from?

Trust me, its not worth talking about it since the majority of the population of this forum will not believe a such thing without evidence. That is true. Why would you expect anyone to be stupid enough to believe your perpetually free energy crap without evidence since it breaks the laws of thermodynamics? Do you want us to drink your Koolaid also Jim?

[Pro7]

Whoa, hold on there sir. A dead battery connected to a capacitor (of unknown capacitance, tolerance, and temperature coefficient) ran through resistors (of unknown wattage, tolerance, and resistance) will create energy?

You have solved all the problems in the world. Forget the Randi challenge, go for the the $25M from the Virgin guy.

Sheesh ure an Inappropriate remark removed ... you see.. thats why negative crap from people, the likes of you dont need to be on these forums. Im just trying to give help as in HINTS.. so BACK OFF PRIC@

[~enigma~]

Know whats funny? I just thought of something. What if that capacitor was indeed inscripted as "Photovoltaic" however it was a print mistake made by the company and it was pulled off the shelves because it was defective in old TV sets.

330V ... I would I could find recall notices on such television sets in regards to that specific cap..
Afraid that someone is going to build your stupidity so you can be proven wrong? Don't worry, we already know your full of s[rule8]t but it appears you don't.

[rtalman]

What will happen is..

It will PARTIALLY DRAIN the original recharged battery pack once you put that in, because the power will go into the 330V capacitor. Then the power will then recharge the 9V dead battery attached to the 330V cap.

Then the cap will go to the switch (a transistor can be used) powering up the switch then splits it within the switch... then finally it will go to the germanium resistors for control and modulation, which one GR is directly lined to the battery pack, while the other GR is aligned to the RC toy itself.
:jaw-dropp
Odds Bodkins! You have done it!!!!

You could not even use a fully charged battery to recharge a dead one without power loss (see Laws of Thermodynamics), Photovoltaic capacitor, Germanium resistors and all. You must be drawing power from the Aether.

[rtalman]

Sheesh ure an A@@HOLE ... you see.. thats why negative crap from people, the likes of you dont need to be on these forums. Im just trying to give help as in HINTS.. so BACK OFF PRIC@
Now you have hurt my feelings.:(

[Pro7]

Inappropriate remark removed. JSIV, good luck on figuring out the rest of that. I know its BASIC infos without any important SPECS, but I wanted to let you know this so you can play around with it.. experiment with it.. thats ALL. bye.

[~enigma~]

I'm going to post while Pro7 is still logged on. Maybe it will help some of the folks here think. invisible]Then again, maybe not.[/invisible
DanO, Pro7...kiss my ask jsiv and maybe he will tell you. ASS

[~enigma~]

having 3 germaniums on one side of the circuit and 2 germaniums on the other side of the circuit.I knew it...she's a florist :)

[bruto]

those types of germanium resistors have to be low temp. We cannot afford high temp otherwise it will fry the circuit. How I did it, was having 3 germaniums on one side of the circuit and 2 germaniums on the other side of the circuit. These sets of germaniums causes a "split off" of power which one set goes to the truck and the other goes to the rechargeable battery pack.

You can review this from NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology ...

http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/jres/070/3/V70.N03.A05.pdf

Make sure you have acrobat reader... so the pdf file can be readable on your screen.

So now I know how to calibrate a very very very low temperature electronic thermometer (You do realize, don't you that this is what that PDF file is about?). I feel a draft. We seem to be getting colder, not warmer. and I still don't know what kind of mechanism you found in those special capacitors.

[Slimething]

Sheesh ure an A@@HOLE ... you see.. thats why negative crap from people, the likes of you dont need to be on these forums. Im just trying to give help as in HINTS.. so BACK OFF PRIC@

rtalman, methinks you hit a nerve. Finally, you recapitulated this jerk's idea in such a rudimentary fashion that even he understood it. Kudos! :wink:

[rtalman]

rtalman, methinks you hit a nerve. Finally, you recapitulated this jerk's idea in such a rudimentary fashion that even he understood it. Kudos! :wink:
Nah, he was trolling for the big fish, and he wasted his bait on a minnow.

[jsiv]

You "Skeptics" need to be quiet!!!

I think I have completed our free energy device.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/810/freecq9.jpg



Do NOT try to steal this. I'm serial.

[~enigma~]

You "Skeptics" need to be quiet!!!

I think I have completed our bogus free energy device.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/810/freecq9.jpg



Do NOT try to steal this. I'm serial.

Super serial?? BTW, you forgot an adjective above so I added it.

[rtalman]

You "Skeptics" need to be quiet!!!

I think I have completed our free energy device.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/810/freecq9.jpg



Do NOT try to steal this. I'm serial.

:D A picture is worth 1K words. I nominated it for TLA.

[Pro7]

You "Skeptics" need to be quiet!!!

I think I have completed our free energy device.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/810/freecq9.jpg



Do NOT try to steal this. I'm serial.


THERE YOU GO! PERFECT! Its a start though. The trick is, you have to make sure the cap is full. Also make sure the resistors are working correctly otherwise it will smoke.

[Loss Leader]

If I wanted, I could make a professional schematic diagram of the circuitry.


No, you couldn't.

[Pro7]

No, you couldn't.

I CAN and I have done it hundreds of times. :)

Go and lay down with your blonde dog on the carpet. you dont belong here.

[Pro7]

Experiment with it.. play around with it.. have fun!

:)

so simple.

Bye Bye.

[~enigma~]

FU*K THIS CRAP.. fu*k all of you a**holes! I dont need it.. JSIV, good luck on figuring out the rest of that. I know its BASIC infos without any important SPECS, but I wanted to let you know this so you can play around with it.. experiment with it.. thats ALL. bye.

I CAN and I have done it hundreds of times. :)

Go and lay down with your blonde dog on the carpet. you dont belong here.Considering your still here after that first post i have to ask, was your little brother playing around with your account? Was your password password??

[bruto]

I CAN and I have done it hundreds of times. :)

Go and lay down with your blonde dog on the carpet. you dont belong here.

Hundreds? So why don't you do it one more time? You could silence all your critics forever with one good diagram. You could lol or even rotfl and never have to stoop to childish insults and juvenile flaming ever again. We'd be owned! What's stopping you?

[Jimbo07]

I think I have completed our free energy device.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/810/freecq9.jpg



jsiv... I almost died laughing!

Can we nominate a drawing for the TLA?

:D

[Yahzi]

It would probably violate the known physics laws on energy creation, but there are 2 schematics diagrams
Well, I'm convinced. Sure, violating the known laws of physics is hard and all, but there are schematics!

[Loss Leader]

I CAN and I have done it hundreds of times.


No, you haven't.

[Pro7]

No, you haven't.

Ure a opinionated jerk! lol.. just kidding..

Yes I have.. alot of times. You can too!

Search on google and download a free non commericial version of Eagle PCB.

[PixyMisa]

BEHIND YOU!!!!


Oh.

Sorry, got carried away for a moment. :blush:

[Dan O.]

I was reading somewhere that you need to use Wood's metal to solder to the germanium resisters. You probably want to minimize the number of these connections.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Sheesh ure an A@@HOLE ... you see.. thats why negative crap from people, the likes of you dont need to be on these forums. Im just trying to give help as in HINTS.. so BACK OFF PRIC@

Come on, Pro. You keep saying we're being mean and negative because we don't believe that you can do what you say. The sarcasm is a little dishonest (that would be among the people pretending to believe you and take you seriously).

How did you actually expect a skeptic's forum to respond to your claim that you could get free energy out of a capacitor? (That is all you're actually claiming, right?)

[Pro7]

I was reading somewhere that you need to use Wood's metal to solder to the germanium resisters. You probably want to minimize the number of these connections.


That is correct!

boy Im glad at least someone around here knows what Im talking about :)

It is experimental, so it has to be played around but can be used on a PC board as well since the PC boards can be bought at a local computer -electronics store since those PC boards already have connectors which snaps on to the receptors.

[Pro7]

Come on, Pro. You keep saying we're being mean and negative because we don't believe that you can do what you say. The sarcasm is a little dishonest (that would be among the people pretending to believe you and take you seriously).

How did you actually expect a skeptic's forum to respond to your claim that you could get free energy out of a capacitor? (That is all you're actually claiming, right?)

Ok look at it this way..

If the CAP is FULL of power, and there is a constant supply of power.. dont you think that it might be possible to have it rerouted repeatively?

[~enigma~]

Ok look at it this way..

If the CAP is FULL of power, and there is a constant supply of power.. dont you think that it might be possible to have it rerouted repeatively?

You obviously can't get science right but you could at least try not to butcher english.

[Pro7]

You obviously can't get science right but you could at least try not to butcher english.

What?

you want me to be more specific? no.. I refuse! Because of people like you...who criticizes other people on anything they say. Thats how I know about your past horrible experiences when you were a child. Psychology works at the best.

Just another way of speaking plain.

[~enigma~]

What?

you want me to be more specific? no.. I refuse! Because of people like you...who criticizes other people on anything they say. Thats how I know about your past horrible experiences when you were a child. Psychology works at the best.

Just another way of speaking plain.So tell us again how you defy the laws of thermodynamics...

[~enigma~]

What?

you want me to be more specific? no.. I refuse! Because of people like you...who criticizes other people on anything they say. Thats how I know about your past horrible experiences when you were a child. Psychology works at the best.

Just another way of speaking plain.
Using italics and bold is proof of your superior intellect. Please tell us again o great one how you singlehandedly disproven the laws of thermodynamics. Please o great one we beseech you :)

AS[rule8]LE

[Pro7]

So tell us again how you defy the laws of thermodynamics...

Well if you must know...


This "device" if correctly configured, creates a illusion that it defies the laws of thermodynamics. In reality the "device" enhances the laws of thermodynamics.

[~enigma~]

Well if you must know...


This "device" if correctly configured, creates a illusion that it defies the laws of thermodynamics. In reality the "device" enhances the laws of thermodynamics.
So let's get this straight. Thermodynamic laws aren't broken since you redefine them to fit your idea? Isn't that like saying officer, I wasn't speeding by doing 45 MPH in a 25 MPH because I wasn't doing 45 MPH. I was cruising along at 70 km/hr...you are an insane person who should be in a padded cell.

[PixyMisa]

Well if you must know...


This "device" if correctly configured, creates a illusion that it defies the laws of thermodynamics. In reality the "device" enhances the laws of thermodynamics.

Nice one. Sounds good, without tying you down to actually meaning anything.

[~enigma~]

Well if you must know...


This "device" if correctly configured, creates a illusion that it defies the laws of thermodynamics. In reality the "device" enhances the laws of thermodynamics.SO...let's add this all up. In this thread...

you claim 9/11 was a military action but refuse to elaborate even though doing so will punish those responsible for over 3000 deaths.
you claim to have solved the worlds energy problems but you refuse to explain.
Now you claim thermodynamics is wrong and only you know the proper laws.

I really hope you aren't stupid enough to tell this to people in real life because you would be committed to a mental institution before you knew what was happening. Are you that disconnected from reality that you have no idea what your saying? I am sorry for saying cruel things about you because I thought you were just being a stupid jerk. I now see it is a severe mental problem. I beg you to seek help.

[Pro7]

So let's get this straight. Thermodynamic laws aren't broken since you redefine them to fit your idea? Isn't that like saying officer, I wasn't speeding by doing 45 MPH in a 25 MPH because I wasn't doing 45 MPH. I was cruising along at 70 km/hr...you are an insane person who should be in a padded cell.

A cruel desire burns in you. Inappropriate remark removed.

yesterday?

a week ago?

[Pro7]

SO...let's add this all up. In this thread...

you claim 9/11 was a military action but refuse to elaborate even though doing so will punish those responsible for over 3000 deaths.
you claim to have solved the worlds energy problems but you refuse to explain.
Now you claim thermodynamics is wrong and only you know the proper laws.

I really hope you aren't stupid enough to tell this to people in real life because you would be committed to a mental institution before you knew what was happening. Are you that disconnected from reality that you have no idea what your saying? I am sorry for saying cruel things about you because I thought you were just being a stupid jerk. I now see it is a severe mental problem. I beg you to seek help.

ok Im sorry for saying things like that also.

In real life, I did tell people this. I showed THEM THE PROOF at the same time. If I was able to show you the proof, then you will start to have doubts in some things which was scientifically proven

[~enigma~]

A cruel desire burns in you. When was the last time you raped a woman?

yesterday?

a week ago?
I thought I had that gay stigma you so gleefully mentioned?

[Pro7]

I thought I had that gay stigma you so gleefully mentioned?

yea its too gay when you start criticizing people. Its nothing more than a fad of jealously intertwined within yourself. The true descent of all things only relies on what or how you disseminate information in your mind.

[~enigma~]

yea its too gay when you start criticizing people. Its nothing more than a fad of jealously intertwined within yourself. The true descent of all things only relies on what or how you disseminate information in your mind.Is there someone around who can translate. Seriously, go get some professional mental health care quickly. You are already babbling..next is drooling if it hasn't already started.

[Pro7]

Is there someone around who can translate. Seriously, go get some professional mental health care quickly. You are already babbling..next is drooling if it hasn't already started.

Then it can only means that you cannot understand the simple language which I speak. What do you do? You start on page 1 of a mystery book and skip the entire book to the end to read the solution to the mystery?

[Pro7]

I can translate for you:

1. you
2. criticize
3. people
4. because
5. you're
6. simply
7. Jealous

PERIOD!

I will NOT be a victim of yours. Go find another victim.

[PixyMisa]

No.

We criticize your posts because they are complete drivel.

[~enigma~]

No.

We criticize your posts because they are complete drivel.True but the guy has a severe mental handicap. He should seek a competent mental health professional.

[Pro7]

No.

We criticize your posts because they are complete drivel.


are they? are the posts a waste to you?

I think so too.. people simply do not understand and why waste my time helping people to experience some things which could only define a possibility?

Alright thats enough for now..

[wollery]

yea its too gay when you start criticizing people. Its nothing more than a fad of jealously intertwined within yourself. The true descent of all things only relies on what or how you disseminate information in your mind.

A cruel desire burns in you. When was the last time you raped a woman?

yesterday?

a week ago?

What?

you want me to be more specific? no.. I refuse! Because of people like you...who criticizes other people on anything they say. Thats how I know about your past horrible experiences when you were a child. Psychology works at the best.

Just another way of speaking plain.

Sheesh ure an A@@HOLE ... you see.. thats why negative crap from people, the likes of you dont need to be on these forums. Im just trying to give help as in HINTS.. so BACK OFF PRIC@

FU*K THIS CRAP.. fu*k all of you a**holes! I dont need it.. JSIV, good luck on figuring out the rest of that. I know its BASIC infos without any important SPECS, but I wanted to let you know this so you can play around with it.. experiment with it.. thats ALL. bye.

Go and lay down with your blonde dog on the carpet. you dont belong here.No need for me to say anything really. :rolleyes:

[Pro7]

True but the guy has a severe mental handicap. He should seek a competent mental health professional.

Hmm.. I got a mental handicap?

The last time I took a college IQ exam as required back then, I was registered to have a 166 Intelligence Quota.

Was that IQ exam in grave error?

[~enigma~]

Hmm.. I got a mental handicap?

The last time I took a college IQ exam as required back then, I was registered to have a 166 Intelligence Quota.

Was that IQ exam in grave error?Either that or you misread it by moving the decimal 1 place to the right.

ETA - Anybody else wonder why he is bragging about his IQ. Did anybody mention it?

[wollery]

Someone with an IQ of 166 should be able to work out the difference between IQ measure and mental health.


ETA, Oh, and it's Intelligence Quotient.

[Pro7]

Someone with an IQ of 166 should be able to work out the difference between IQ measure and mental health.

Yes correct

there is a difference between the two.

[Pro7]

Someone with an IQ of 166 should be able to work out the difference between IQ measure and mental health.


ETA, Oh, and it's Intelligence Quotient.


lol yea

[~enigma~]

Don't think you understand Pro7. Read some Michael Shermer (don't tell Randi I mentioned that name), smart people can and do believe stupid things. In your case it isn't a problem since you need mental health care. We all understand....it is ok...nothing to be ashamed of.

[Pro7]

Either that or you misread it by moving the decimal 1 place to the right.

ETA - Anybody else wonder why he is bragging about his IQ. Did anybody mention it?

because you wanted me to check with a mental health professional. you need to check with the local police to make sure you're not wanted for questioning.

[Pro7]

Don't think you understand Pro7. Read some Michael Shermer (don't tell Randi I mentioned that name), smart people can and do believe stupid things. In your case it isn't a problem since you need mental health care. We all understand....it is ok...nothing to be ashamed of.

I have nothing to be ashamed of my mental health.... so far I think my mental health is better than yours.


"Dont tell Randi I mentioned that name" ???...

Ill email Randi at his private email address. :)

[~enigma~]

because you wanted me to check with a mental health professional. you need to check with the local police to make sure you're not wanted for questioning.IQ is an indication of mental illness? BTW, my friend is here and she happens to be a cop here. Hold on and let me ask her if I'm wanted for questioning. Oh....she wants me for an investigation...see you tomorrow and please go get professional help.

[~enigma~]

I have nothing to be ashamed of my mental health.... so far I think my mental health is better than yours.
Yeah...who has delusions that they control the laws of thermodynamics :)

[Pro7]

IQ is an indication of mental illness? BTW, my friend is here and she happens to be a cop here. Hold on and let me ask her if I'm wanted for questioning. Oh....she wants me for an investigation...see you tomorrow and please go get professional help.

hahaha yea right. He got scared and left.. because he knows Im telling the truth about him.

When you study psychology for many years, you will know the same.

[wollery]

Yes correct

there is a difference between the two.So you do know that there's a difference between IQ and mental health.

Then why did you respond to a post questioning your mental health by giving your IQ?

[Pro7]

So you do know that there's a difference between IQ and mental health.

Then why did you respond to a post questioning your mental health by giving your IQ?


Just to give someone a tug at BS. lol (as in bullcrap) Actually I was after someone on here.. so.. that person doesnt live that far from me.. that is why.

[wollery]

Is that an implied threat?

[MRC_Hans]

Just to give someone a tug at BS. lol (as in bullcrap) Actually I was after someone on here.. so.. that person doesnt live that far from me.. that is why.Troll, and an uninteresting one.
A very quick deterioration from someone with a naive belief to pure troll. I think the naive part was a front.

:nope:

Hans

[SomeGuy]

Someone with an IQ of 166 should be able to work out the difference between IQ measure and mental health.


ETA, Oh, and it's Intelligence Quotient.

Maybe he really had an Intelligence Quota of 166.

Judging by his posts, he's used it all up.

[Haywire]

Hey Pro7,
Where did you originally buy the robo-truck?

[Pro7]

Hey Pro7,
Where did you originally buy the robo-truck?

At RadioShack

It was a RAGE RC truck (RC as in remote controlled)

[Loss Leader]

Thats how I know about your past horrible experiences when you were a child.

You know no such thing.

In real life, I did tell people this.

No, you didn't.

I showed THEM THE PROOF at the same time.

No, you didn't.


The last time I took a college IQ exam as required back then, I was registered to have a 166 Intelligence Quota.

That did not happen.

... so far I think my mental health is better than yours.

No, it isn't.

Ill email Randi at his private email address.

No, you won't.

He got scared and left.. because he knows Im telling the truth about him.

No, you are not.

Actually I was after someone on here.

No, you weren't.

[aggle-rithm]

Hmm.. I got a mental handicap?

The last time I took a college IQ exam as required back then, I was registered to have a 166 Intelligence Quota.

Was that IQ exam in grave error?

Either that or you've been shedding brain cells like cat hair ever since.

[SomeGuy]

To be fair to pro7, there's a lot of very bad IQ-tests out there.

Maybe he's just been incorrectly measured.

[aggle-rithm]

To be fair to pro7, there's a lot of very bad IQ-tests out there.

Maybe he's just been incorrectly measured.

Or like everything else he's said, he just made it up.

[Dan O.]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?
(apart from being made up of words and letters and bits in a data stream)

[Psiload]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?
(apart from being made up of words and letters and bits in a data stream)


Have you got any proof that you are not Pro7?

[Dan O.]

You are asking me to prove a negative while you haven't even provided anecdotal evidence of your claim.

I am now logged in while Pro7 is not. Earlier I was logged in at the same time as Pro7. There is no correlation.

Using multiple screen names is a violation of the forum rules. If you have evidence of such a violation you should present it to the moderators.

[Psiload]

You are asking me to prove a negative while you haven't even provided antidotal evidence of your claim.

I am now logged in while Pro7 is not. Earlier I was logged in at the same time as Pro7. There is no correlation.

Using multiple screen names is a violation of the forum rules. If you have evidence of such a violation you should present it to the moderators.


Pro7(you)stated earlier that he(you) is an evil computer genius who could easily create multiple accounts here and use them with impunity.

My anecdotal evidence is your inability to correctly spell anecdotal. Poor spelling... a dead giveaway.

You are lying when you say that you are not Pro7. Do you have any proof that you aren't lying?

[Dan O.]

Pro7(you)stated earlier that he(you) is an evil computer genius who could easily create multiple accounts here and use them with impunity.

Only a moderator could give someone impunity to use multiple screen names. Do you know who you are dealing with really?

You are lying when you say that you are not Pro7. Do you have any proof that you aren't lying?

Again, an unsupported statement and demand for proof of a negative.

I have none and need none.

[MortFurd]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?
(apart from being made up of words and letters and bits in a data stream)

Do you have any proof that Pro7 actully told the truth?

The device he describes is impossible by the known laws of physics. His presentation is that of a typical clueless free energy nut who can't tell the difference between energy, power, and voltage. His apparent knowledge of electronics is [rule 8] poor.

He has not presented a coherent description of the actual circuitry. He claims it should be obvious, and that he tried to patent it and therefore knows its worth - but destroyed the only working unit.

If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it usually is a duck.

If it posts like a troll, then it usually is a troll.

[MortFurd]

Only a moderator could give someone impunity to use multiple screen names. Do you know who you are dealing with really?



Again, an unsupported statement and demand for proof of a negative.

I have none and need none.

No, genius. It doesn't take collusion with the mods to have multiple accounts.

All it would take is to sign up using different email accounts, and to always post through a proxy.

That will eliminate almost all technical risk of being caught.

A double poster still runs the risk of betraying himself through replying with the wrong name, through consistent posting styles for both users, through consistent mis-spellings in both accounts, etc.

[Flo]

are they? are the posts a waste to you?

I think so too.. people simply do not understand and why waste my time helping people to experience some things which could only define a possibility?

Alright thats enough for now..

The fact that nobody understands you doesn't make you a genius (or even an interesting person) :rolleyes:

[Cuddles]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?

He claims to have made a device that violates the laws of physics out of a simple circuit using easily available, well understood parts. Since this is not possible, he must have made it up.

He has also claimed to own a major company and to have multiple degrees. Although I have no proof that this is not true, his immature behaviour and complete lack of understanding of pretty much anything makes it very likely that this is made up as well.

[RenaissanceBiker]

You "Skeptics" need to be quiet!!!

I think I have completed our free energy device.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/810/freecq9.jpg



Do NOT try to steal this. I'm serial.


Nice.

THERE YOU GO! PERFECT! Its a start though. The trick is, you have to make sure the cap is full. Also make sure the resistors are working correctly otherwise it will smoke.

Pro7, would you do some of our readers a favor and apply Kirchoff's laws to this simple circuit? Just show us the equations that explain how this works.

[Dan O.]

This point does need to be cleared up. Back in post 17 Pro7 did say:
Yes this device creates energy. It would probably violate the known physics laws on energy creatio...

Reading that statement literally might imply creation of energy from nothing thus violating the law of conservation of energy. But you could also say that connecting a bulb to a battery creates light and since light is energy...

I don't know if Pro7 intended to say that energy was being created from nothing or was trying to say something else but just came out confused as so many of his earlier posts.

I have to go to work now but I'll be back later to see if Pro7 can clarify this issue.

BTW, I just noticed this item on ebay: 330v Rubycon capacitor 10pk (http://cgi.ebay.com/10-pcs-x-capacitors-1000-uF-330V-Rubycon_W0QQitemZ190074965139QQcmdZViewItem). Save the world (while supplies last).

[JoeTheJuggler]

Ok look at it this way..

If the CAP is FULL of power, and there is a constant supply of power.. dont you think that it might be possible to have it rerouted repeatively?

No--unless by "constant supply of power" you mean an external supply of new energy.

You can't pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, and there is no such thing as a perpetually unbalanced wheel.

And that's before we even talk about some of the power being used to do work.

[~enigma~]

A cruel desire burns in you. Inappropriate remark removed.

yesterday?

a week ago?Seems to me someone is getting his hand slapped. Think you better start acting like an adult if you want to continue posting your free energy bs.

[~enigma~]

ok Im sorry for saying things like that also.

In real life, I did tell people this. I showed THEM THE PROOF at the same time. If I was able to show you the proof, then you will start to have doubts in some things which was scientifically provenThat's where you are wrong. Uri Geller, James Popoff and many others have showed thousands of people proof of their bs yet it was also shown that all of their bs can and was done by trickery.you want to prove something scientifically possible not only must it be duplicatable (not by you but by others) but it must also be mathematically and scientifically possible. Since your bs requires that science is wrong, it is your requirement to show the proper science.If you aren't mentally handicapped just stop posting and get to work if you think you can prove this in your lifetime.

[~enigma~]

hahaha yea right. He got scared and left.. because he knows Im telling the truth about him.

When you study psychology for many years, you will know the same.

Nah, I was a few short feet away from the computer. So you did that bad in your Psych class or were you at the top like in your biology, physics, chemistry, electronics and math classes liar?

[~enigma~]

You are asking me to prove a negative while you haven't even provided anecdotal evidence of your claim.

I am now logged in while Pro7 is not. Earlier I was logged in at the same time as Pro7. There is no correlation.

Using multiple screen names is a violation of the forum rules. If you have evidence of such a violation you should present it to the moderators.We have Pro7's admission but then again, self incrimination by the clinically insane is not admissible in court. Good thing this isn't court :)

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/8854/gottchadannodg9.jpg

[~enigma~]

Only a moderator could give someone impunity to use multiple screen names. Do you know who you are dealing with really?
A really bad imitation of an idjit trying to hide his true identity of Pro7.

[Psiload]

Only a moderator could give someone impunity to use multiple screen names. Do you know who you are dealing with really?


Yes I do. Pro7 and Dan O... both the same person.

You see, I opened up my computer and installed a 1000 uF 330V Rubycon capacitor on the motherboard, using Wood's metal solder... of course. My computer can now identify the DNA profile of every person posting on this message board. This is how I determined that you and Pro7 are, in fact, one in the same.

Have you got proof that anything I just said was made up?

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

Yes I do. Pro7 and Dan O... both the same person.

You see, I opened up my computer and installed a 1000 uF 330V Rubycon capacitor on the motherboard, using Wood's metal solder... of course. My computer can now identify the DNA profile of every person posting on this message board. This is how I determined that you and Pro7 are, in fact, one in the same.

Have you got proof that anything I just said was made up?
Sir, I would like to purchase this device you speak of. A blank cheque is currently in the mail and on it's way to your address.

Please fill it out with an amount you deem to be fair, and mail me back one of your DNA profiling motherboards!

Thank-you for your attention to this matter!

[aggle-rithm]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?
(apart from being made up of words and letters and bits in a data stream)

If he said he rode a flying lizard to the moon every day, would you think he was making it up? I sure would.

And yet, a flying lizard that makes daily trips to the moon is many, many times more plausible than the idea that energy can be created from nothing. That's how basic the laws of thermodynamics are. There are lots of things that might be true in spite of being at odds with our current scientific understanding, but free energy is not one of them. No universe that we could survive in could possibly provide free energy.

[aggle-rithm]

Reading that statement literally might imply creation of energy from nothing thus violating the law of conservation of energy. But you could also say that connecting a bulb to a battery creates light and since light is energy...



If all he's doing is converting one type of energy to another, then why is he making such a big deal about it? I can do that by rubbing my hands together.

[~enigma~]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?
invisible](apart from being made up of words and letters and bits in a data stream)[/invisibleYou do realize that you are a class A as[rule8]le don't you?

[rtalman]

Dan O. and Pro7 are not the same;

If you look at forum post# 2426680 and forum post# 2426682

Posted in the same minute in 2 different topics by 2 different people.

[fuelair]

To be fair to pro7, there's a lot of very bad IQ-tests out there.

Maybe he's just been incorrectly measured.

Maybe he can sue - if he was incorrectly measured, he should have a bad suit!!

[fuelair]

Have you got proof that anything he said was made up?
(apart from being made up of words and letters and bits in a data stream)

In essence, yes. The sum of his intoductory information and description of his so-called is clearly either made up (ergo, a lie) or is a result of someone playing games with him (ergo, not a lie - but made up in the sense that someone played a large practical joke on him - and he was fooled by the joke the person made up). The key is that physics (and the people who know physics) knows pmms are impossible (Conservation of Energy, etc.) therefore anyone claiming a version of one had better have it available, ready for testing and with no hidden/black box/nailed to the floor add-ons. He (you) do not qualify. You(he) just blow smoke out of your word source.

[bruto]

Dan O. and Pro7 are not the same;

If you look at forum post# 2426680 and forum post# 2426682

Posted in the same minute in 2 different topics by 2 different people.

Two computers on a network or 2 browsers, windows or tabs, two logins; compose each post without submitting; submit, switch, submit. Moderators with a record of IP number could determine if this was the case or not.

Ultimately, though, whether Dan O is identified as Pro 7, or simply as Pro 7's equal, it's about the same: neither is a compliment.

[Myriad]

Dan O. and Pro7 are not the same;

If you look at forum post# 2426680 and forum post# 2426682

Posted in the same minute in 2 different topics by 2 different people.

Well, that convinces me. Because there's no possible way that a person would have access to two different computers late in the business day on Friday.

How did you happen to discover this amazing coincidence, rtalman?

Respectfully,
Myriad

[rtalman]

Well, that convinces me. Because there's no possible way that a person would have access to two different computers late in the business day on Friday.

How did you happen to discover this amazing coincidence, rtalman?

Respectfully,
Myriad
I was looking at their respective posting histories to see if Superman and Clark Kent were even seen at the same time, as it were.

Since my IQ is not even close to 166, I have trouble enough following just one thread at a time.

I suppose now you will posit that I, Dan O. and Pro7 are all the same person. I can't decide whether I would rather be the sock puppet, or the puppet master...

[Pro7]

Yea the device works, as long if you have it correct. Wow I wonder how many people on here are actually engineers? In reality the device does not get free energy (in fact power, not energy) out of nowhere, it looks like it does, but it doesnt. I was just showing a "conflict" of this, to study how people would respond to this. :) thats all.

That is why I refuse to mention any specifications or specific measurements of any circuit parts.


Dan 0 and I are not the same person. sorry.

[~enigma~]

Yea the device works, as long if you have it correct. Wow I wonder how many people on here are actually engineers? In reality the device does not get free energy (in fact power, not energy) out of nowhere, it looks like it does, but it doesnt. I was just showing a "conflict" of this, to study how people would respond to this. :) thats all.

That is why I refuse to mention any specifications or specific measurements of any circuit parts.


Dan 0 and I are not the same person. sorry.
Huh...on page 1 of this thread you said your device creates energy. You now admit that you were lying? Did you read any of the intervening posts? iIt seems everyone here knows your free energy contraption was full of snake oil and bs. Sorry...too late to pass this off as a little experiment.

[Pro7]

Huh...on page 1 of this thread you said your device creates energy. You now admit that you were lying? Did you read any of the intervening posts? iIt seems everyone here knows your free energy contraption was full of snake oil and bs. Sorry...too late to pass this off as a little experiment.

Well yes I just reviewed some of the original posts by Pro7, and some of them are not mine. I have a daughter who was using this. I just changed the access to this so she cant get in. Sorry for the confusion. :)

[~enigma~]

Well yes I just reviewed some of the original posts by Pro7, and some of them are not mine. I have a daughter who was using this. I just changed the access to this so she cant get in. Sorry for the confusion. :)
Right....and your password was password. Woo crap...you sure your real name isn't Paul Doherty?

[Pro7]

Who is Paul Doherty?

[~enigma~]

Who is Paul Doherty?
A woo....you telling me you aren't him? Then a yes or no answer would suffice why ask who he is, are you thinking he might be one of your multiple personalities?

[Pro7]

no sir. I was thinking Mr. Doherty was or is you.

>thread removed from my subscription. Sincere apologies.

[~enigma~]

no sir. I was thinking Mr. Doherty was or is you.

>thread removed from my subscription. Sincere apologies.Why would I ask you my name Paul?

[Loss Leader]

I have a daughter who was using this.

No, you do not.

I just changed the access to this so she cant get in.


No, you did not.

Sorry for the confusion.

No, you are not.

[fuelair]

Who is Paul Doherty?

By wild coincidence, a widely known CTer/ist - known for amazing lack of knowledge of science, engineering, video production/interpretation, flight and aircraft capabilities, explosives, metallurgy, psychology, demolition techniques - just for a quick start. AKA P'Doh, Playdough, PD/P.D., and some Rule 8 terms.

As I say, pretty sure it's just a coincidence his name came up.:D

[~enigma~]

By wild coincidence, a widely known CTer/ist - known for amazing lack of knowledge of science, engineering, video production/interpretation, flight and aircraft capabilities, explosives, metallurgy, psychology, demolition techniques - just for a quick start. AKA P'Doh, Playdough, PD/P.D., and some Rule 8 terms.

As I say, pretty sure it's just a coincidence his name came up.:D
You forgot to mention his proclivity for multiple socks here AND his banning. otherwise, you were spot on :)

[Lynx2174]

As a freshman EE student, this thread made me laugh out loud.

Apparently: Compulsive liar + lack of ANY rudimentry electrical knowledge = hilariaty.

[~enigma~]

As a freshman EE student, this thread made me laugh out loud.

Apparently: Compulsive liar + lack of ANY rudimentry electrical knowledge = hilariaty.
Yes that seems to be Pro7's corollary but it only applies in the presence of germanium resistors.

[stormer]

As a freshman EE student, this thread made me laugh out loud.

Apparently: Compulsive liar + lack of ANY rudimentry electrical knowledge = hilariaty.

That is because, as a freshman, you have not been introduced to germanium resistors and photovoltaic capacitors yet.... Once you have, you'll know that this is a serious thread that will solve the world's energy needs. :D

Only thing is, once you are introduced, you'll need an IQ of at least 166 to understand what they are all about. :D :D

[wollery]

Well yes I just reviewed some of the original posts by Pro7, and some of them are not mine. I have a daughter who was using this. I just changed the access to this so she cant get in. Sorry for the confusion. :)Well, you are either a liar (you don't have a daughter who used the account), a really bad parent (your daughter, who's old enough to pass herself off as you in writing ability, doesn't see anything wrong in, or isn't worried about being punished for, impersonating you on the internet), or your daughter has a writing age three times her emotional age (which is so rare it would make her worthy of scientific study).

I vote for the first option, although I suppose that the second is a possibility.

[Fnord]

As a freshman EE student, this thread made me laugh out loud.

Personally, as a a 50-year old Electrical Engineer, this thread makes me feel sadness.

I just don't have the heart to coddle emo cases much any more.

[MRC_Hans]

You are asking me to prove a negative while you haven't even provided anecdotal evidence of your claim.

I am now logged in while Pro7 is not. Earlier I was logged in at the same time as Pro7. There is no correlation.

Using multiple screen names is a violation of the forum rules. If you have evidence of such a violation you should present it to the moderators.Just as an aside, it is quite possible to log in under two different acounts, simultaneously. You can even do it from the same computer (I have not broken any JREF forum rules while obtaining this information).

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

Well yes I just reviewed some of the original posts by Pro7, and some of them are not mine. I have a daughter who was using this. I just changed the access to this so she cant get in. Sorry for the confusion. :)Rather lame, but OK. Please state exactly which posts you are now denouncing as not representative of your position. I suggest you quote each one, and explain what your true position is on the subject.

Since this situation has allegedly arosen due to your negligence, it is only fair that you take this trouble to put it right.

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

Personally, as a a 50-year old Electrical Engineer, this thread makes me feel sadness.

I just don't have the heart to coddle emo cases much any more.Couldn't agree more.

Hans

[Fnord]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1265246003906e44dc.bmp (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4714)

V1 is a photovoltaic array.
D1 is a rectifier diode (1n4001).
B1 is a NiCd battery pack.
The PWM controller has too many parts to detail.
Q1 through Q4 are depletion-mode FETs.
D2 through D5 are rectifier diodes.

Fully charged, the battery pack voltage was 7.33 Vdc (open circuit -- measured with a calibrated Fluke D800 DVM), and over 2 amps (blew out the 2A fuse in my DVM -- stoopid!).

In full sunlight, V1 put out 7.71 Vdc (open circuit) and 0.153 Amps (1-ohm load).

Okay... I wired V1 and D1 into my R/C car and went to play in the California sun. With a full charge, I was able to play for about 20 minutes. Then I removed V1 and re-charged the battery. Play time was again about 20 minutes.

Recharged the battery again, and ran the motor at half-throttle for 32 minutes, 17 seconds.

Recharged the battery again, reconnected V1, and ran the motor at half-throttle for 32 minutes 23 seconds.

Overall, I gained 5 seconds of run time with the photovoltaic array.

CONCLUSION: No violation of physics, and no practical improvement in performance.

Would the next claimant please step forward?

[MortFurd]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1265246003906e44dc.bmp (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4714)

V1 is a photovoltaic array.
D1 is a rectifier diode (1n4001).
B1 is a NiCd battery pack.
The PWM controller has too many parts to detail.
Q1 through Q4 are depletion-mode FETs.
D2 through D5 are rectifier diodes.

Fully charged, the battery pack voltage was 7.33 Vdc (open circuit -- measured with a calibrated Fluke D800 DVM), and over 2 amps (blew out the 2A fuse in my DVM -- stoopid!).

In full sunlight, V1 put out 7.71 Vdc (open circuit) and 0.153 Amps (1-ohm load).

Okay... I wired V1 and D1 into my R/C car and went to play in the California sun. With a full charge, I was able to play for about 20 minutes. Then I removed V1 and re-charged the battery. Play time was again about 20 minutes.

Recharged the battery again, and ran the motor at half-throttle for 32 minutes, 17 seconds.

Recharged the battery again, reconnected V1, and ran the motor at half-throttle for 32 minutes 23 seconds.

Overall, I gained 5 seconds of run time with the photovoltaic array.

CONCLUSION: No violation of physics, and no practical improvement in performance.

Would the next claimant please step forward?

**Snork** **Snark** ROFLMFAO
:) :D

Good work. Sorry to say it only confirms what all non-woos know.

And, hate to tell you, Pro7 never said there anything on the outside of the car.

[bruto]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1265246003906e44dc.bmp (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4714)

V1 is a photovoltaic array.
D1 is a rectifier diode (1n4001).
B1 is a NiCd battery pack.
The PWM controller has too many parts to detail.
Q1 through Q4 are depletion-mode FETs.
D2 through D5 are rectifier diodes.

Fully charged, the battery pack voltage was 7.33 Vdc (open circuit -- measured with a calibrated Fluke D800 DVM), and over 2 amps (blew out the 2A fuse in my DVM -- stoopid!).

In full sunlight, V1 put out 7.71 Vdc (open circuit) and 0.153 Amps (1-ohm load).

Okay... I wired V1 and D1 into my R/C car and went to play in the California sun. With a full charge, I was able to play for about 20 minutes. Then I removed V1 and re-charged the battery. Play time was again about 20 minutes.

Recharged the battery again, and ran the motor at half-throttle for 32 minutes, 17 seconds.

Recharged the battery again, reconnected V1, and ran the motor at half-throttle for 32 minutes 23 seconds.

Overall, I gained 5 seconds of run time with the photovoltaic array.

CONCLUSION: No violation of physics, and no practical improvement in performance.

Would the next claimant please step forward?

<marvin the martian>

Where are the germanium resistors?

There were supposed to be germanium resistors!

</marvin the martian>

[Fnord]

<marvin the martian>

Where are the germanium resistors?

There were supposed to be germanium resistors!

</marvin the martian>

Sorry, the germanium resistors are on back-order, as is the liquid nitrogen.

But we're having a special on eludium Q36 explosive space modulators! Interested?

[Dan O.]

That's a very good diagram you've got there Fnord.

Now take out the photovoltaic array and D1. And disconnect the PWM controller so we can ignore the details of what's inside. While you are at it, remove Q1 through Q4 since they won't be doing anything. Then give the truck to a young nephew to play with for 8 months and periodically check the charge on the battery pack. If the kid plays with it enough the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge if it was initially depleted.

Of course, a proper configuration of germanium resisters with minimized connections using Woods' metal solder would be preferable to the silicon diodes and the efficiency could probably be increased by adding a switching mode charge pump but it should still work.

[bruto]

That's a very good diagram you've got there Fnord.

Now take out the photovoltaic array and D1. And disconnect the PWM controller so we can ignore the details of what's inside. While you are at it, remove Q1 through Q4 since they won't be doing anything. Then give the truck to a young nephew to play with for 8 months and periodically check the charge on the battery pack. If the kid plays with it enough the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge if it was initially depleted.

Of course, a proper configuration of germanium resisters with minimized connections using Woods' metal solder would be preferable to the silicon diodes and the efficiency could probably be increased by adding a switching mode charge pump but it should still work.

Why would it work? Why would resistors, of germanium or anything else, be preferable to, or interchangeable with, diodes? What would switching mode charge pumps accomplish, and how would they increase efficiency since, efficient though they can be, they are power consumers themselves? How do you propose to control the motor speed and prevent it from running at constant full power after you have removed the PWM controller? How would a discharged battery charge itself?

Why leave the battery in at all, if this gadget creates its own energy? Why not just give it an initial push, and let it run forever off that? What happens when the battery is fully charged, and continues to charge? Would it overheat and catch fire? Could you hook it up to a depleted car battery and charge that up while you're at it? I see a bright future for this device. Take one toy car, give it a shove, and after a couple of years, you can cut your house off the grid and run it all off your toy car.

If this idea were even a tiny bit viable, only a fool would keep it under his hat. You'd be a hero, richer than Bill Gates, the Einstein and Simon Bolivar of energy independence rolled into one. Chicks would dig you even if you were ugly, Leonardo di Caprio would play you in the movie, and you could afford to buy your old Firebird back.

Fnord's device is a nice clean piece of engineering. We can research the components and their functions, and determine with little difficulty why they would work. If necessary, I'm sure that he could explain the functions of the components in more detail without bending any physical laws and save us the trouble.

So how about it? How about some explanations of how this baby works?

[Loss Leader]

Overall, I gained 5 seconds of run time with the photovoltaic array.

CONCLUSION: No violation of physics, and no practical improvement in performance.


You may not consider five seconds a practical improvement, but I betty Scotty would have been glad to have an extra five seconds when he had to cold start the engines (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Cold_start).

[MortFurd]

That's a very good diagram you've got there Fnord.

Now take out the photovoltaic array and D1. And disconnect the PWM controller so we can ignore the details of what's inside. While you are at it, remove Q1 through Q4 since they won't be doing anything. Then give the truck to a young nephew to play with for 8 months and periodically check the charge on the battery pack. If the kid plays with it enough the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge if it was initially depleted.

Of course, a proper configuration of germanium resisters with minimized connections using Woods' metal solder would be preferable to the silicon diodes and the efficiency could probably be increased by adding a switching mode charge pump but it should still work.

So, smart a**, why don't you explain just what it is that d2, d3,d4, and d5 do in Fnord's circuit? It should be simple for a genius like yourself.

Hint: It has eff all to do with creating energy.
ETA: In fact, the diodes actually waste a bit of energy. They are, however, necessary to the proper function of the circuit.

Then tell me what your proposed circuit will do.

Hint: Take a good look at the circuit, and consider the proper function of diodes.

[MRC_Hans]

That's a very good diagram you've got there Fnord.

Now take out the photovoltaic array and D1. And disconnect the PWM controller so we can ignore the details of what's inside. While you are at it, remove Q1 through Q4 since they won't be doing anything.

So you are left with 4 diodes permanently in the non-conducting mode? And the motor in between them?


Then give the truck to a young nephew to play with for 8 months and periodically check the charge on the battery pack. If the kid plays with it enough the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge if it was initially depleted.


Only, most young nephews will be bored with such a truck in about 8 seconds, since, in the configuration you suggest, the motor won't run at all (but the battery will certainly stay charged for quite some time ;) ).

Listen, dude: I don't know what kind of people you are used to deal with, but some of us here are actual, bona fide engineers, and we actually understand what you propose. And what you propose is nonsense.

Of course, a proper configuration of germanium resisters with minimized connections using Woods' metal solder would be preferable to the silicon diodes and the efficiency could probably be increased by adding a switching mode charge pump but it should still work.

Gibberish. Utter gibberish, although I can see you have lifted many of the words from some book. I have to tell you, however, that words are just like electronic components: You have to put them together in certain ways for them to work.

Hans

[Mashuna]

That's a very good diagram you've got there Fnord.

Now take out the photovoltaic array and D1. And disconnect the PWM controller so we can ignore the details of what's inside. While you are at it, remove Q1 through Q4 since they won't be doing anything. Then give the truck to a young nephew to play with for 8 months and periodically check the charge on the battery pack. If the kid plays with it enough the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge if it was initially depleted.

Of course, a proper configuration of germanium resisters with minimized connections using Woods' metal solder would be preferable to the silicon diodes and the efficiency could probably be increased by adding a switching mode charge pump but it should still work.

So did we confirm that Dan O. and Pro 7 are one and the same person yet, or not?

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I was reading the first post and I first thought that he came up with a way to put multiple batteries into a remote truck and let one battery switch to another so that he wouldn't have to change the batteries as often. Then once he started saying 'never have to change the battery' I thought somehow that it might be a gas powered remote control truck that has use for a battery for some reason? Then when he got to talking about perpetual motion, I knew I had wasted 5 minutes of my life reading his post.

[MRC_Hans]

So did we confirm that Dan O. and Pro 7 are one and the same person yet, or not?Do we really give a d*mn?

Hans

[Baron Samedi]

Well yes I just reviewed some of the original posts by Pro7, and some of them are not mine. I have a daughter who was using this. I just changed the access to this so she cant get in. Sorry for the confusion. :)

So did Pro 7 confirm which posts are not legitimate and should be retracted?

[MajorOrgan]

Did you duct tape a gasoline engine on top? Because I don't think that counts.

[PixyMisa]

So did we confirm that Dan O. and Pro 7 are one and the same person yet, or not?

I really hope they are, because otherwise whatever it is, is catching.

[Loss Leader]

Did you duct tape a gasoline engine on top? Because I don't think that counts.


What's the weight penalty for a combustion engine on a toy truck? Would the thing even be able to move?

[MRC_Hans]

What's the weight penalty for a combustion engine on a toy truck? Would the thing even be able to move?Well, provided it's a model engine, it has a power density MUCH higher than that of a battery and an electric motor. One horsepower out of 6.5cc engine is not unusual. Of course it will not increase the endurance much since it will empty its fuel tank in even less than the time an electric motor takes to discharge a battery.

Hans

[Thabiguy]

That's a very good diagram you've got there Fnord.

Now take out the photovoltaic array and D1. And disconnect the PWM controller so we can ignore the details of what's inside. While you are at it, remove Q1 through Q4 since they won't be doing anything. Then give the truck to a young nephew to play with for 8 months and periodically check the charge on the battery pack. If the kid plays with it enough the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge if it was initially depleted.

I first thought that this was meant as a joke, but now I realize that there is another explanation that makes sense.

If you take out everything as Dan O. says, you are indeed left with the rechargeable battery, the motor, and four rectifier diodes that will prevent current from flowing from the battery to the motor. Now if I recall correctly, a simple DC motor should also work as a crude dynamo. So if the kid moves the truck around hard enough and generates enough voltage, current will flow in the opposite direction and actually recharge the battery - thanks to the rectifying diodes this should work regardless of the generated voltage polarity. The observation will then be exactly as Dan O. says - if the kid plays with it enough, the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge.

I am not entirely familiar with electronics so there may be some reason that I overlooked why this wouldn't work. Please note that I'm not proposing that this will work - what I am proposing is that this might be what Dan O. meant to say.

[MortFurd]

What's the weight penalty for a combustion engine on a toy truck? Would the thing even be able to move?

Like a scalded a** ape. They make little bitty gas motors for remote controlled race cars, very much like the ones used in model airplanes.

I seriously doubt that Pro7 put one in his truck, though. He's tossing electronic jibberish, not mechanical.

[MRC_Hans]

I first thought that this was meant as a joke, but now I realize that there is another explanation that makes sense.

*snip*

I am not entirely familiar with electronics so there may be some reason that I overlooked why this wouldn't work. Please note that I'm not proposing that this will work - what I am proposing is that this might be what Dan O. meant to say.

Uhh, yes, that would work. So fine, let's be charitable and assume that was a joking answer from Dan O.

That, of course requires us to ignore this part of his post:

Of course, a proper configuration of germanium resisters with minimized connections using Woods' metal solder would be preferable to the silicon diodes and the efficiency could probably be increased by adding a switching mode charge pump but it should still work.

Even here we could assume that the part about the switching mode charge pump could make sense: Such a device would enable the motor-turned-generator to charge the battery even if it did not run fast enough to generate a voltage higher than that of the battery (plus diodes).

That only leaves the germanium resisters [sic] and the reference to Wood's metal soldering as pure nonsense. Of course, it it is possible to make a germanium resistor, and since germanium is not very heat resistant, you might solder it with Wood's metal (which melts at appr 65degC), however, such a component would make little sense, and certainly wouldn't replace diodes.

So the question remains: If this was some subtle joke, what was the purpose?

Hans

[MajorOrgan]

What's the weight penalty for a combustion engine on a toy truck? Would the thing even be able to move?

They make gasoline powered RC cars, I think. It wouldn't be a stretch. It would certainly demystify any reason his patent was rejected.

[ArmillarySphere]

So the toy is actually toddler-powered...

Makes sense to me.

[MRC_Hans]

They make gasoline powered RC cars, I think. It wouldn't be a stretch. It would certainly demystify any reason his patent was rejected.They certainly do, and they're much hotter than the electrical ones. And much noisier, too ;).

Hans

[aggle-rithm]

So the toy is actually toddler-powered...

Makes sense to me.

Once he gets his design perfected (which, of course, will require copious funds from the government and/or investors) the toddler can be done away with completely! It's a miracle of science, maybe!

[MortFurd]

I first thought that this was meant as a joke, but now I realize that there is another explanation that makes sense.

If you take out everything as Dan O. says, you are indeed left with the rechargeable battery, the motor, and four rectifier diodes that will prevent current from flowing from the battery to the motor. Now if I recall correctly, a simple DC motor should also work as a crude dynamo. So if the kid moves the truck around hard enough and generates enough voltage, current will flow in the opposite direction and actually recharge the battery - thanks to the rectifying diodes this should work regardless of the generated voltage polarity. The observation will then be exactly as Dan O. says - if the kid plays with it enough, the pack should stay fully charged and even recharge.

I am not entirely familiar with electronics so there may be some reason that I overlooked why this wouldn't work. Please note that I'm not proposing that this will work - what I am proposing is that this might be what Dan O. meant to say.

Won't work, not as drawn.

There are four diodes, and four diodes are normally used in a full bridge rectifier. That seems to be the circuit you've got in mind.

There are two problem with that, though.
1. DC motors generate DC. No bridge rectifier needed.
2. The diodes in the diagram are not connected as a bridge rectifier.

As drawn, no current would flow from the motor to the battery. The two diodes connected to the negative terminal would prevent any current flow - they are backwards. Reversing them wouldn't make a bridge. It'd just let you charge the battery by turning the motor.

To make it work as you suggest, you need one diode (in the proper direction) between the motor and the positive terminal of the battery. That way the motor can be used as a generator to charge the battery but the battery won't be able to deliver current to the motor to make it turn. To make it charge the battery regardless which way you push the truck you would need a bridge rectifier and an extra diode - five diodes in all.

Doesn't sound like much fun to me. Push the truck around for hours to charge the battery, then flip a switch and let the battery power the truck for twenty minutes. I suppose you could find someone with severe autism and let him rock back and forth pushing the truck for hours to charge it, but that would be cruel.

As Hans says, there are people here who know WTF they are talking about. Pro7 and Dano have trouble dealing with that - their BS doesn't fly here.

[Thabiguy]

Uhh, yes, that would work.

Won't work, not as drawn.

Well I'm not the expert here :), but I would like to know whether this would or would not work. So far I'm with Hans.

- The purpose of the rectifier diodes would not be to rectify AC to DC, but to make the thing work regardless of whether the truck is pushed forward or backward.
- The diodes in the diagram are, as far as I can tell, connected exactly as a bridge rectifier, where motor is the input and battery is the output.
- I don't understand the function of the fifth diode that you propose, it seems redundant to me.
- My suggested explanation for Dan's post does not say that the truck will be able to run on battery power. It wouldn't. His post doesn't indicate any such function.

[MortFurd]

Well I'm not the expert here :), but I would like to know whether this would or would not work. So far I'm with Hans.

- The purpose of the rectifier diodes would not be to rectify AC to DC, but to make the thing work regardless of whether the truck is pushed forward or backward.
- The diodes in the diagram are, as far as I can tell, connected exactly as a bridge rectifier, where motor is the input and battery is the output.
- I don't understand the function of the fifth diode that you propose, it seems redundant to me.
- My suggested explanation for Dan's post does not say that the truck will be able to run on battery power. It wouldn't. His post doesn't indicate any such function.
What I get for posting when I should be working. :)

It still doesn't do what Pro7 was talking about, nor is the BS with germanium diodes and Woods' metal relevant.

[Fnord]

1) Germanium resistors are normally used as temperature-sensing element in cryogenic monitors. They do not rectify or switch, they only change their resistance in relation to their temperature. Some types are optimized to maintain a fixed value under normal temperatures, but they are too expensive for a child's toy.

2) Wood's Metal melts at temperatures below 100°c, and provides no other advantage over Pb/Sn solder, or even Rohs conformant solder.

3) Diode D1 serves to block battery current from flowing through the photovoltaic array.

4) Diodes D2 through D5 do indeed form a bridge rectifier. However, their primary purpose is to snub counter-EMF ("flyback") pulses generated by the inductive load ("Motor") so that transistors Q1 through Q4 aren't damaged. When the PWM controller is disconnected from the driver array (Q1-Q4, D2-D5), and the motor is spun, there is indeed a small current generated that eventually will recharge the battery pack.

5) While Mr. Dotson did not specifically state that his "Photovoltaic Capacitor" was located outside the vehicle, that is exactly where it would have to be to operate correctly -- where it would receive the light that it converts to electricity.

6) I think Dan's post was intended as a joke.

Ha-ha. :rolleyes:

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

[VonNeumann]

How many times in my life have I seen this spoof. Of course lots of people believe such nonsense. If you could recharge an electric car battery from the energy used to drive the car (of course, not talking about re-generation only during braking - which is a good idea), then that would be a perpetual motion machine - verboten!

I came up with this analogy a long time ago and when told to a true believer in perpetual motion, they think you are incompetent (since you make it so simple for them to understand how inane the idea is). And that is:

Take a toy wagon:
1. Put a pulley on the front wheel and run a belt to a pulley on the back wheel (pulley of equal diameter). Now when you push the wagon, the front wheel turns the back wheel, which drives the wagon forward which makes the front wheel turn ... ad nauseum. Right?
2. Put a larger pulley on the front wheel and repeat #1. Now the back wheel will turn, say 2 turns for every 1 turn on the front wheel! Man.. give this baby a push and it will accelerate instantly to the speed of light (and, hey, why not faster?).

The reaction I've gotten to this is:
1. It's not electrical, dealing with pulleys, and electrical has different laws.
2. Where's the battery? The battery makes it work.

...of course this is nonsense. Add a spring to the pulleys above and you can make an analogy with a battery included. It doesn't matter. If you understand a little bit about thermodynamics or any experience with electricity, you know this can't work. I remember when I was 7 years old, a kid had a hand-crank generator (he liked to shock the p*ss out of unsuspecting volunteers). I noticed that the more load you put on the generator, the harder it was to crank. For the same reason, you turn on some electrical load in your car, and you now turn a little more gasoline into electrical energy - of course, it's not free. You headlights cost you gas-mileage.

On the other hand, the poster probably knows all this and is just toying with fishing for suckers. But I also wondered why he said why the "US government doesn't manufacture...". Huh? We aren't the Soviet Union, (yet). The US government doesn't manufacture anything but laws that take our money and waste 80% of it (and maybe a few, very few, good things, too).

[Dan O.]

What do you get if you have 2 dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other and wires soldered to the opposite ends?

I think this whole thread was a joke. But aside from post #17, where did Pro7 make any claim that could not be true?

[Psiload]

What do you get if you have 2 dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other and wires soldered to the opposite ends?

A Q-Ray ionized bracelet?

I think this whole thread was a joke. But aside from post #17, where did Pro7 make any claim that could not be true?

Here, for starters...

Post #1

The device was actually recharging the battery while playing with it. It worked perfectly ... The battery kept being recharged.. I measured it with a handheld pinpoint battery device.. it kept being registered as FULL on the meter..

Among others.

[Dan O.]

Others have already agreed that if you take Fnord's truck as I've suggested modifying the circuit, the battery will continue to be recharged by playing with it. What in Pro7's first post indicates that his experiment is any different?

[bruto]

Others have already agreed that if you take Fnord's truck as I've suggested modifying the circuit, the battery will continue to be recharged by playing with it. What in Pro7's first post indicates that his experiment is any different? You seriously misread ANY response to your modification, if you think that ANYBODY but yourself and Pro7, if he is not yourself, thinks your modification anything but utter nonsense. Any implication to the contrary that you read in my response was meant as an absurd joke responding to an absurd proposition.

In response to your question about dissimilar germanium junctions and the like, I suppose you might get a transistor or a diode. Germanium is useful stuff. But a germanium resistor is another thing entirely. That's why it's called a resistor. If it were something other than a resistor it would called something else. Germanium resistors, from the little I've read on them, have thermal characteristics that make them useful for measuring extremely low temperatures. They're still resistors, though, which makes them a source of loss, not gain.

In response to the question of which of pro7's posts are nonsensical, essentially all of them are. His first post is a vague and sloppy description of a device which cannot work, salted with excuses for why he could not repeat the experiment, market the idea, publish, describe, duplicate or document it, and there really is no improvement beyond that.

[rtalman]

Tesla destroyed the mechanism for his aether powered Pace Arrow...
Bessler destroyed his perpetual motion wheel...
Pro7 burned all his paper in his mother's burning barrel...

What is up with all of these geniuses destroying their free energy devices?

[jsfisher]

Others have already agreed that if you take Fnord's truck as I've suggested modifying the circuit, the battery will continue to be recharged by playing with it. What in Pro7's first post indicates that his experiment is any different?
Pro7's opening post clearly stated he'd turned the truck on to play with it. I think it a reasonable interpretation of "turned the truck on" for a battery-operated toy vehicle is that power from the battery was involved in operating the vehicle during the time in question.

ETA: Your post, Dan O., at best is trying to describe the use of the motor as a generator so a kid-powered vehicle (not a battery-powered vehicle) would charge the battery.

[Psiload]

Pro7 made it perfectly clear in his first post that he had, in fact, built a free energy device.

Then afterwards I discovered so many things on the internet, I came across the topic of "Free Energy"... I was like.. whooaa.. wait a min, could this also be a "free energy device?".. I asked my friends who I have shown them the device and truck, they said yes it could be considered as a free energy device since it kept recharging the rechargeable battery pack without the aid of a wall socket.

Is this also what you are claiming, Dan O? Free energy?

[Fnord]

What do you get if you have 2 dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other and wires soldered to the opposite ends?

What we have here is a lack of understanding between the terms "Rectifier" (an electrical device that allows current flow in one direction only) and "Resistor" (an electrical device that restricts current flow equally in both directions).

If you have two dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other -- and by "dissimilar" I have to assume that you actually mean "differentially doped" (a chemical dissimilarity) -- and wires soldered to the opposite ends then you have a germanium rectifier, and NOT a resistor.

If by "dissimilar" you instead mean some difference in physical characteristics (size, shape, et cetera), then you have a germanium resistor, which is used in cryostats due to its resistance being heavily dependent on its temperature, OR as a high-precision room-temperature resistor. Neither of these resistors have any rectifying or switching properties.

Germanium rectifiers are inherently leaky devices. That is, their reverse current is anywhere from 10 to 100 times that of a silicon diode. This is why silicon is the basis for the vast majority of active electronic semiconductor devices.

No woo here, just ordinary solid-state physics.

Understand now?

[Jekyll]

Tesla destroyed the mechanism for his aether powered Pace Arrow...
Bessler destroyed his perpetual motion wheel...
Pro7 burned all his paper in his mother's burning barrel...

What is up with all of these geniuses destroying their free energy devices?

They come to realise that any free energy source would not just encourage global warming but speed up the heat death of the universe after tearing themselves apart.

Clearly some remote controlled cars are to great for man to handle.

[jsiv]

V1 is a photovoltaic array.
I think you're confused. In order to get free energy it has to be a photovoltaic capacitor from the inside of a specific model 70-80s TV that was later recalled.

[bruto]

They come to realise that any free energy source would not just encourage global warming but speed up the heat death of the universe after tearing themselves apart.

Clearly some remote controlled cars are to great for man to handle.

It would make a great movie plot, though. Little toy cars that start out harmless and cute, and gradually swamp the earth in excess energy. They can call it Jurassic Parking Lot.

[rtalman]

If only someone could design a circuit to convert static charge to DC power, I could run my Roomba all day while it self-charges from triboelectricity.
:eusa_wall:

[Fnord]

I think you're confused. In order to get free energy it has to be a photovoltaic capacitor from the inside of a specific model 70-80s TV that was later recalled.

Oh, there's no confusion here. I know that there is no such thing as free energy (TINSTAFE). I also know that photovoltaic capacitor did not exist in real form until after the year 2000*.

I'm not looking to prove or disprove any assertions made in the OP. I'm just trying to find out what is really going on.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

(* - Please correct me if I'm wrong, and cite the specific case -- with links, if possible. -F-)

[bruto]

I think you're confused. In order to get free energy it has to be a photovoltaic capacitor from the inside of a specific model 70-80s TV that was later recalled.

The ones in Pro7's back shed are very rare indeed, since most that weren't caught in the recall went into freewheeling mode and burned down the houses that contained them.

Under the guise of a public safety campaign, the recall was actually a gigantic power company conspiracy to quash the growth of free energy. The TV's were collected in black vans and taken to a secret site and buried. United Illuminati. Dig we must.

[Fnord]

The ones in Pro7's back shed are very rare indeed, since most that weren't caught in the recall went into freewheeling mode and burned down the houses that contained them.

Under the guise of a public safety campaign, the recall was actually a gigantic power company conspiracy to quash the growth of free energy. The TV's were collected in black vans and taken to a secret site and buried. United Illuminati. Dig we must.

Hmm... Does the name "Curtis Mathis" ring a bell?

No?

How about "Nevado del Ruiz"?

Not even?

Try "Contragate."

Ahh... now you understand!

[Slimething]

If you have two dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other -- and by "dissimilar" I have to assume that you actually mean "differentially doped" (a chemical dissimilarity) -- and wires soldered to the opposite ends then you have a germanium rectifier, and NOT a resistor.

If by "dissimilar" you instead mean some difference in physical characteristics (size, shape, et cetera), then you have a germanium resistor, which is used in cryostats due to its resistance being heavily dependent on its temperature, OR as a high-precision room-temperature resistor. Neither of these resistors have any rectifying or switching properties.

I had no idea what he meant by dissimilar pieces of the same element either. I was going to guess modern art. :D

[Dan O.]

Apparently, I have made claims in this thread that some here cannot believe.


I am not Pro7
An electric motor can be used to charge a battery
2 devices marketed as germanium resistors can be put together to form a rectifier.

I believe these all to be true. But I don't believe it's worth debating in this forum. If you choose to follow Randi's lead and make it worth my effort, I might discuss how I could go about proving these things.