Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device

[Pro7]

Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device.

About 7 years ago, I went to the local electronics-computer store and oogled at a RAGE remote controlled toy truck. I decided to buy it since I was getting bored at home and needed something fun to do.

I watched a lot of remote controlled toys competitions on TV and was fascinated by them since people were competing against eachother, racing their cars and trucks in small designated sand dunes, etc..

I brought the package home...

I opened up.. recharged the battery completely for 24hrs and set outside to play...

A half hour later, the truck died. It wouldnt move. I go and recharge the battery again..

It kept repeating every half hour.. keeps dying.. I was getting upset.. I thought maybe there was a defective battery or something.. I took it back to the same store, the person told me its normal for the battery to die out after playing it constantly... also told me to buy several battery packs..

At the time they were expensive and I was in a financial bind to purchase anything else..

I went back home disappointed.. I watched the tv show where they had these races.. I found out they have had several rechargeable battery backup packs, in order to keep their toys running, they would go out in the dune and replace the depleted battery pack with a fresh one.

I was sitting there on my couch while watching that tv show.. wondering..
"Is there a way to keep the rechargeable battery recharged while using the toy truck, it would seem similiar to a alternator in a regular car.. hmmm.."

I had loads of junk in the back end of my storage, all computers and varities of electronics.. I digged through them, I have thought a plan to make something similiar to a alternator however it would be in a form of a electric alternator, not run like regular cars have by the fan belts...

I ran the information on the internet, mind me, it was a slow internet back then.. alot of patience was involved in this. I found what could be a possiblity... I took 2 schematic diagrams and combined it into one. I was thinking.. "is it possible?".. I gathered up the electronic parts to build both off of the schematic diagrams and put both together.

After a struggle involving resistance counterparts on the experimental board known as PC schematic board, within 2 days, I was able to figure out a perfect schematic diagram. I put together the device and named it "Electronic Alternator"..

I installed the device onto the toy truck next to where the battery pack would be in, the power box area, with a adapter that would match the each power connectors. I couldnt close the box because of the size of the device and the rechargable battery combined... so I just taped it together.. it was good enough. I turned on the truck and played with it..

Half hour later, the truck didnt die...

2 hours later...

I was thinking "Yahooo!!"...

The device was actually recharging the battery while playing with it. It worked perfectly ... The battery kept being recharged.. I measured it with a handheld pinpoint battery device.. it kept being registered as FULL on the meter..

I showed it to friends of mine.. I played this truck for hours and hours.. days and nights as tests to see if it would continue being recharged. To my astonishment, it did just that...

Couple of friends asked me how I made this, I told them its a secret and one of them recommended me to send in information to a inventors helpline on tv, to get it patented and become millionaire!... I thought that was a good idea.

I applied for a inventors helpline (not saying who, but as a helpline), I got the application and extra papers, when I was done with the information imprinted on the application and design papers, I sent it in the mail.

I read that it would take 30 to 60 days to hear a response from them. I was very excited about this.. this is something new.. never heard of .. anywhere.. I was fanastizing that this business would skyrocket because all of those kids out there, playing toys, never having to EVER recharge their batteries again manually.. never again.. with the device it would cut down the task of doing it over and over again.. that is, until their rechargables wear out.

A month and half went by... I got a letter from them. I wish I could have saved that letter but I was really upset over that letter and put all of that copies of applications, papers, all of them from inventors helpline in the burning barrel at my mother's place..I was about ready to burn all the papers..

The letter stated that they could not help me in persuing this invention. It didnt say why or what for.. it just said those few simple sentences and a such regards to convince me to invent something else other than what I gave them. I explained this to my brother all about it.. he told me a few things about all of this.. I showed him the device and the toy truck..

He said not to believe anything on TV about invention helplines and such alike... They are all government related in one way or another. They steal people's ideas and yet give out money only to the lucky few as they have their own "lottery"... my feelings sunk to the lowest of the low.. I even thought they could have stolen my idea..

I started to believe that could be true, so I decided to investigate this matter.

I contacted them, the same inventor helpline which I applied to.. they said they dont have my reference number on any file, anywhere.. Lucky enough I only kept one piece of information which indicated the reference number for my invention.. I had nothing else since I have already burned up all the papers in the burning barrel at my mother's place... the device design is all in my mind, there wasnt a need to have it stored on paper since I have memorized it.. and still remember it.

The device itself is simple. Its not complicated, or advanced electronics.. its so simple that over the years I couldnt believe why anyone else could not have come up with it.. maybe they too were also barred from manufacturing them...

When the internet has gotten faster, and I was able to finally have broadband internet, I decided to press this investigation further... at blazing speeds of the internet popping up on my screen, I was looking over many articles and stumbled onto complaints sections about that specific company who I submitted application to. I wish I have known this before I mailed the information out. The information I came across only made me madder than a hornet.

Then afterwards I discovered so many things on the internet, I came across the topic of "Free Energy"... I was like.. whooaa.. wait a min, could this also be a "free energy device?".. I asked my friends who I have shown them the device and truck, they said yes it could be considered as a free energy device since it kept recharging the rechargeable battery pack without the aid of a wall socket.

I did alot of investigations into this matter and I have found out that the government refuses to acknowledge any devices that are considered "exotic" in nature and also refuses to allow manufacturing of such devices. Only the military or those top secret guys may have vested interests.

The device I had was a device that could wipe out the battery market. Its also another reason why they refuse to recognize such inventions.

AND..

In according to those 2 schematic diagrams I put together, its virtually unlimited to what it can be used for. In the back of my mind when I studied about computers and electronics.. this device "can be converted into a computer chip that will act like a alternating device"..

Imagine...

A chip with the same simple schematic diagrams, installed in anything that has a rechargeable battery pack. It would never be needed to plug into the wall socket to keep it recharged.

Imagine the possibilities this would give out to the entire world. Poor strapped countries with limit access to electricity would need a device like this..

so many things.. running across my mind ever since..

Thank God.. I am glad I burned all those papers in the burning barrel, even though I know that someone else out there got my idea. In the course of my years since that type of invention, I have invented so many other things which arent publicly available...

Its a long story how I became a inventor. I was top of class in high school for biology, electronics, etc.. I was also top in class in college majoring in cybernetics.. A lot of impressive work was done by me, but I will not go into those details since this will only make a few of you jealous. Clear and simple as that, as I speak in plain english no matter if I use my grammar as being voiced rather than writing. *Im using a voice activated computer system.. I dont type. :) ** I would seriously like to hear from all of you what you think of this. Thanks.

[Scott Haley]

What you're describing sounds like a violation of the laws of physics. If it works as you say, you should get the Nobel prize and become a billionaire. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that your thing actually works, because hundreds of "free energy" devices that people have invented don't actually work, and many of them are swindles.

I suggest that you build another working model and let some experts in electronics or physics examine it.

[Loss Leader]

Ah, Pro7, you are like my own personal IAmMe. I think your greatest invention may yet turn out to be the automated nonsense generator. I'd buy one.

[Pro7]

What you're describing sounds like a violation of the laws of physics. If it works as you say, you should get the Nobel prize and become a billionaire. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that your thing actually works, because hundreds of "free energy" devices that people have invented don't actually work, and many of them are swindles.

I suggest that you build another working model and let some experts in electronics or physics examine it.

Been thinking about that. It only takes a few minutes to build one, that is, with the right parts. Its that simple. Hmm... yes I know I would have a terrible time convincing everyone but I did once.. showed to many of my friends, my brother.. mother.. etc.. I proved it, thats all it counts and I can do it again.

[Terry]

Show us it. That's the ultimate test.

[Slimething]

I proved it, thats all it counts and I can do it again.

1. Patent it.
2. Manufacture it.
3. Sell it.
4. Get filthy rich.
5. Adopt me.

[Mark A. Siefert]

Sounds like a solar powered flashlight to me.

[~enigma~]

Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device.

About 7 years ago, I went to the local electronics-computer store and oogled at a RAGE remote controlled toy truck. I decided to buy it since I was getting bored at home and needed something fun to do.

I watched a lot of remote controlled toys competitions on TV and was fascinated by them since people were competing against eachother, racing their cars and trucks in small designated sand dunes, etc..

I brought the package home...

I opened up.. recharged the battery completely for 24hrs and set outside to play... Snipped gibberish.
Anybody remember the Fisher engine? Maybe Joe Newman?

[SezMe]

Pro7, go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion) and especially focus on the first sentence in the "Patent" section.

[Pro7]

thought maybe this will help determine the device.

Its so really simple, anyone can do this LOL.. if you got at least a minor interest in electronics, you can figure it out lol..

Here is the pic

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t253/sgtpro7/elealtdesign1.jpg

[Kopji]

Our skepticism pro7, derives from the fact that you are claiming to create energy. The physics law in question would be 'conservation of energy':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

This is probably a rumor, but I've heard that the patent office, (as incredibly silly as they sometimes seem to be) - will not grant patents for devices that violate this particular law. I have also heard that an alternate path is to take the device into a congressman and convince them of the unfairness of it all. They will sometimes act on your behalf and put in a good word.

[robinson]

This is the worst thread ever.

[jimtron]

Its so really simple, anyone can do this LOL.. if you got at least a minor interest in electronics, you can figure it out lol..

I want you to level with us about something. Did you truly laugh out loud twice during the above sentence, or are you a liar?

[wollery]

Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device.

.......snip.......

I would seriously like to hear from all of you what you think of this. Thanks.I think you're lying.

[Pro7]

I want you to level with us about something. Did you truly laugh out loud twice during the above sentence, or are you a liar?

nope. Im not lying about this device. Sorry... if I added too many LOLs..

I had alot of friends-relatives who have seen this. I know its hard to believe, but it is so simple that anyone with electronics interests can design and make one like this. The reason why I say that is because it is scientifically simple.

[Kopji]

I found a delightful site called the 'Museum of unworkable devices':
This is a lot of fun.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

[Pro7]

Our skepticism pro7, derives from the fact that you are claiming to create energy. The physics law in question would be 'conservation of energy':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

This is probably a rumor, but I've heard that the patent office, (as incredibly silly as they sometimes seem to be) - will not grant patents for devices that violate this particular law. I have also heard that an alternate path is to take the device into a congressman and convince them of the unfairness of it all. They will sometimes act on your behalf and put in a good word.

Yes this device creates energy. It would probably violate the known physics laws on energy creation, but there are 2 schematics diagrams, one of them are in specific devices that are already available to the public. The other schematics diagram included in the device itself is also available to the public as well. You have to figure out exactly what those 2 schematic diagrams are and put them together.

Im also a very hardnosed skeptic, I wouldnt believe it either if someone told me about this as well, if I didnt have any knowledge how this device worked. I dont blame you for not believing, but to those who have interests in electronics will figure it out sooner or later after I posted the infos and pic on here.

[jsiv]

YYou have to figure out exactly what those 2 schematic diagrams are and put them together.
Is it a toaster and vacuum cleaner?

[jsiv]

I dont blame you for not believing, but to those who have interests in electronics will figure it out sooner or later after I posted the infos and pic on here.
Your picture shows nothing useful that will ever help anyone build this mythical device of yours.

Why don't you go patent it and then come back and tell us how it works?

[kellyb]

I think you're lying.

Yep.

But if it works, Pro7 has an easy million dollars. I think this qualifies as a paranormal claim.

[kellyb]

Yes this device creates energy. It would probably violate the known physics laws on energy creation, but there are 2 schematics diagrams, one of them are in specific devices that are already available to the public. The other schematics diagram included in the device itself is also available to the public as well. You have to figure out exactly what those 2 schematic diagrams are and put them together.

Im also a very hardnosed skeptic, I wouldnt believe it either if someone told me about this as well, if I didnt have any knowledge how this device worked. I dont blame you for not believing, but to those who have interests in electronics will figure it out sooner or later after I posted the infos and pic on here.

Why don't you just tell us how it supposedly works. You can't say we're going to steal your idea since you can't get a patent on it.

[Pro7]

Yep.

But if it works, Pro7 has an easy million dollars. I think this qualifies as a paranormal claim.

its nothing paranormal. its all common sense....

give you another hint..

Im sure you have already read about "hybrids" in science magazines, on the internet etc etc etc.. everywhere..

hybrids such as genetic tampering, making new medicines that tries to prevent diseases, stuff like that.. everyone knows what "hybrids" are in medicine and in about everything there is, how people create things.

The main point is that I created a "hybrid" out of 2 simple electronic schematic diagrams and put them together to form a single workable device. The original both diagrams can function without eachother, however I put both of them together to form this device. Remember, both of those original diagrams are in products everywhere in every store on the planet. They are devices that are currently available to the public.

[jsiv]

Why don't you just tell us how it supposedly works. You can't say we're going to steal your idea since you can't get a patent on it.
Seriously though. While the patent office may not issue patents in response to random nutty applications sent in, I have no doubt that he would be issued a patent if he could successfully demonstrate that the circuit works -- especially if it is as simple and easily verifiable as he claims.

[jsiv]

The main point is that I created a "hybrid" out of 2 simple electronic schematic diagrams and put them together to form a single workable device. The original both diagrams can function without eachother, however I put both of them together to form this device. Remember, both of those original diagrams are in products everywhere in every store on the planet. They are devices that are currently available to the public.
If you actually cared about furthering the progress of mankind rather than just playing games on a message board, you would tell us and everyone else what these two "schematic diagrams" were. If you did, you could achieve fame and fortune beyond belief -- and help solve most of the world's problems.

Why won't you?

[Pro7]

Why don't you just tell us how it supposedly works. You can't say we're going to steal your idea since you can't get a patent on it.

I can tell you but it will spoil the issue.

I have not tried to apply for a patent yet, I have tried to apply for a inventors helpline.. that didnt go anywhere.... oh well..

That "inventors helpline" is always on TV.. as advertisements. People invent things and they put in their application in hopes that other companies will take their idea to mass manufacture and to make money off of it..

[Pro7]

If you actually cared about furthering the progress of mankind rather than just playing games on a message board, you would tell us and everyone else what these two "schematic diagrams" were. If you did, you could achieve fame and fortune beyond belief -- and help solve most of the world's problems.

Why won't you?


Are you sure that I would achieve fame and fortune beyond belief? Someone else probably will steal the idea and make a fortune for themselves. Anyone who can figure this out, is their fortune.

[jsiv]

That "inventors helpline" is always on TV.. as advertisements. People invent things and they put in their application in hopes that other companies will take their idea to mass manufacture and to make money off of it..
Your invention is not a silly little gadget that needs this.

[jsiv]

Are you sure that I would achieve fame and fortune beyond belief? Someone else probably will steal the idea and make a fortune for themselves. Anyone who can figure this out, is their fortune.
If you presented your invention in a public forum so it became widely known that you were the original creator, then yes, I most certainly believe that you would. Even without a patent.

Is it money you want, or do you actually want to help save the world like your invention could?

[Pro7]

If you presented your invention in a public forum so it became widely known that you were the original creator, then yes, I most certainly believe that you would. Even without a patent.

Is it money you want, or do you actually want to help save the world like your invention could?

I dont know..

Im kinda at a loss here regarding money because if I acheive fame and fortune off of this simple thing, it would change my life forever...

If I help the world, the world will go greedy over it and cause wars. Yes that thought had crossed my mind a long time ago if someone were to give out freely to the world..of something like this. I am now regretting posting this on this forum. I would rather have someone figure this out and they do it in their own ways. Its a gift from me with this knowledge to anyone who can figure this out for themselves. Thats all I can do...

I dont really know.. Im honest here, Im not lying about this device at all.. it had worked and it will work again once its put together...

[kellyb]

its nothing paranormal. its all common sense....

give you another hint..

Im sure you have already read about "hybrids" in science magazines, on the internet etc etc etc.. everywhere..

hybrids such as genetic tampering, making new medicines that tries to prevent diseases, stuff like that.. everyone knows what "hybrids" are in medicine and in about everything there is, how people create things.

The main point is that I created a "hybrid" out of 2 simple electronic schematic diagrams and put them together to form a single workable device. The original both diagrams can function without eachother, however I put both of them together to form this device. Remember, both of those original diagrams are in products everywhere in every store on the planet. They are devices that are currently available to the public.

RC cars loose a lot of energy in the form of heat. I can see a lot of energy being recycled somehow to make a battery last longer, but days and days? Nope.
If this were a simple idea based on basic principals, I would have thought of it before myself. :)

I don't know why I'm even posting in this thread. You're obviously playing some stupid game. I guess it's one AM and I'm bored.

[Kopji]

Hi pro7,
I do like your cat though.

The problem with your design is that the 'alternator' circuits do not work at 100% efficiency but lose energy due to heat. The truck also loses energy to heat through wheel friction.

Your comparison to an automotive alternator is mistaken because a car engine is powered by gas or diesel. That energy eventually recharges the battery, but the alternator does not 'create' energy like you imply.

Unless you have a gas powered engine in your model truck, the comparison is not the same thing.

[Slimething]

Why won't you?

Because Pro7 wants to play a guessing game, AKA he needs attention.

Obviously, his device doesn't exist. This is a person who claims to have built an electronic alternator. So, what electronic device generates AC? None. What combo would generate AC? None.

We are dealing with a self-proclaimed genius who would put us all to shame because of all he has accomplished. Yet, he knows nothing of the patent process and is using verbs like "digged". Just how far can your leg be pulled before it dislocates? :confused:

[jsiv]

On the off-chance that you actually believe you've invented this, how well have you tried it? Did you try running something on it non-stop for a week?

Will it let me run a 60W lamp for a week on a 12V/7.2Ah battery? Have you tried it?

[Kopji]

I liked this quote. The truth of it might reach across a wide spectrum of thought.


PMM [perpetual motion machine] inventors seek personal satisfaction playing the role of the misunderstood genius. In this drama they do not expect or even want a final resolution (a working PMM), for that would bring the drama, and their role in it, to an end. They thrive on, and are encouraged by, rejection. They see the world all around them as imperfect. They don't like the way nature seems to operate, and like the alchemists, they think that appearances are deceptive, and that appearances can be changed if one has purity of purpose and sufficient faith. They fantasize that they might discover a way to change the world, bringing it into line with their emotional desires. They cannot accept that such improvement might be impossible. They behave much like the Biblical prophets, crying in the wilderness, railing against the moral imperfections they see all around them. They are absolutely certain they see truths all others are blind to. Truth, they think, comes from their own gut feelings, inner intuition, and spiritual feelings, not from rational analysis and science.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/psych.htm

[Pro7]

bahh just forget it guys..

Im truly sorry for ever posting this on this forum.

Thanks for ur input anyways.

[jsiv]

bahh just forget it guys..

Im truly sorry for ever posting this on this forum.

Thanks for ur input anyways.
Please answer this before you go:

On the off-chance that you actually believe you've invented this, how well have you tried it? Did you try running something on it non-stop for a week?

Will it let me run a 60W lamp for a week on a 12V/7.2Ah battery? Have you tried it?

[Kopji]

Hi Pro7,
When asserting you can violate laws of physics on a skeptics forum you should expect a little resistance. It's really late, but not that late.

[Pro7]

Because Pro7 wants to play a guessing game, AKA he needs attention.

Obviously, his device doesn't exist. This is a person who claims to have built an electronic alternator. So, what electronic device generates AC? None. What combo would generate AC? None.

We are dealing with a self-proclaimed genius who would put us all to shame because of all he has accomplished. Yet, he knows nothing of the patent process and is using verbs like "digged". Just how far can your leg be pulled before it dislocates? :confused:

lol.

:blush: not really needs attention. I just wanted to discuss this issue. thats all.

a "electronic alternator" is just a name I created for it. I dont know any other name for it, its the best I can come up with. I guess.

ure mistaken about "electronic device generate AC" there are many out there in products...like ac/dc convertors, etc etc..

[Pro7]

Please answer this before you go:

Only if you can increase the output issue on the device, yes you can run it on a 60W lamp and make it run for a week or infinite nonstop. I never tried the issue with the lamp. my toy truck ran for over 8 months without the need for wall socket recharge.

[Pro7]

Hi Pro7,
When asserting you can violate laws of physics on a skeptics forum you should expect a little resistance. It's really late, but not that late.

Yea.. sorry for posting this.. I wont bother again about it. :)

[SezMe]

Im truly sorry for ever posting this on this forum.
Imagine how we feel. :(

[kellyb]

lol.

:blush: not really needs attention. I just wanted to discuss this issue. thats all.

a "electronic alternator" is just a name I created for it. I dont know any other name for it, its the best I can come up with. I guess.

ure mistaken about "electronic device generate AC" there are many out there in products...like ac/dc convertors, etc etc..


If you want to discuss it, then quit playing games and tell us how it works.
I'm actually a very "open minded" individual. You're just coming off as a liar.
Give us something to consider.

[jsiv]

Only if you can increase the output issue on the device
What does that mean?

yes you can run it on a 60W lamp and make it run for a week or infinite nonstop.
A week on a 7Ah 12v battery? Have you tried it? If not, why not?

Have you tried your concept outside of an "RC car?" What I'm asking is, have you tried it on something less complex than an RC car? Something that draws a large amount of current constantly?

[PixyMisa]

If this thing actually worked, it would be worth trillions, easy.

Of course, it doesn't work, and wouldn't be worth anything even if it existed, which I doubt.

[Pro7]

If you want to discuss it, then quit playing games and tell us how it works.
I'm actually a very "open minded" individual. You're just coming off as a liar.
Give us something to consider.

Alright alright.. ill tell you.. I give up!!!!!

the device is simple. It consists a amplifying diagram and a generator diagram. Thats it.

Its a hybrid generating amplifier. Thats all it is. I wont show designs on here, but I just told you the biggest hint.

[Pro7]

End of DISCUSSION! Thanks.

[fishbob]

When asserting you can violate laws of physics on a skeptics forum you should expect a little resistance.
Watt ever do you mean?

[PixyMisa]

Alright alright.. ill tell you.. I give up!!!!!

the device is simple. It consists a amplifying diagram and a generator diagram. Thats it.

The device consists of diagrams?

Its a hybrid generating amplifier. Thats all it is. I wont show designs on here, but I just told you the biggest hint.Amplifiers don't generate anything. They amplify signals. They use power to do so, resulting in a net loss of energy. "Hybrid generating amplifier" is complete gibberish.

[Pro7]

LoL...

diagrams, I mean by schematic diagrams ("electronics blueprints" to make electronic circuits) Now is that CLEAR? ..

Energy Amplifiers generate increased electricity (I.E. Stun Guns which uses electricity to create or "amplify" more electricity as output) There are different types of amplifiers.. signal amplifiers, energy amplifiers, etc..

CLEAR?...

[jsiv]

Energy Amplifiers generate increased electricity (I.E. Stun Guns which uses electricity to create or "amplify" more electricity as output)

CLEAR?...
A stun gun does not "create more electricity." All it does is charge a capacitor to the desired level (ie, it "amplifies" the voltage) and then discharge it into the victim. There is no net gain. Infact, there is a loss. So no, your explanation makes no sense.

[Slimething]

I just wanted to discuss this issue. thats all.

Don't think so. Or else you would have discussed it. Begone. Good riddance.

a "electronic alternator" is just a name I created for it. I dont know any other name for it, its the best I can come up with. I guess.

So you were at the head of your class in physics? :jaw-dropp Were you home schooled?

ure mistaken about "electronic device generate AC" there are many out there in products...like ac/dc convertors, etc etc..

Yeah, I know about electric devices that convert AC current to DC. Where do you think the AC current comes from, genius? Electronics? Not likely!

[MRC_Hans]

Quote from your drawing:

"Current output is equal to voltage coming from the battery"

Current is not and cannot be equal to voltage. You are talking throught your hat.

Btw, I built a device like yours once. Professionally. It was an electronic alternator providing 230V 50Hz AC, sine-wave. Basically a crystal-controlled oscillator and a power amplifier feeding a tranformer (surprisingly tricky business, actually).

And it worked. We sold it, and for all I know, it's still out there somewhere, working.

One slight catch, of course: Such a device needs a power source. And it consumes quite a bit more power than it produces.

Hans

[Pro7]

A stun gun does not "create more electricity." All it does is charge a capacitor to the desired level (ie, it "amplifies" the voltage) and then discharge it into the victim. There is no net gain. Infact, there is a loss. So no, your explanation makes no sense.

SIGH.. again

stupid damm grammar I got lol.

ok ill try my best. I have not slept for 72 hrs.. so that could explain it.

When a capacitor is being "charged" by a battery, the battery should be immediatly drained. How does it keep the battery from being immediately drained..

[MRC_Hans]

LoL...

diagrams, I mean by schematic diagrams ("electronics blueprints" to make electronic circuits) Now is that CLEAR? ..

Quite clear. You saw these two schematics and thought, "hey, if I combine these, I get.....".

What you failed to notice were the terminals labelled "power in".

Energy Amplifiers generate increased electricity (I.E. Stun Guns which uses electricity to create or "amplify" more electricity as output) There are different types of amplifiers.. signal amplifiers, energy amplifiers, etc..

CLEAR?...There is no such thing as energy amplifiers.

Clear?

Hans

[Pro7]

Quote from your drawing:

"Current output is equal to voltage coming from the battery"

Current is not and cannot be equal to voltage. You are talking throught your hat.

Btw, I built a device like yours once. Professionally. It was an electronic alternator providing 230V 50Hz AC, sine-wave. Basically a crystal-controlled oscillator and a power amplifier feeding a tranformer (surprisingly tricky business, actually).

And it worked. We sold it, and for all I know, it's still out there somewhere, working.

One slight catch, of course: Such a device needs a power source. And it consumes quite a bit more power than it produces.

Hans

nice. :)

My toy truck ran for over 8 months without recharging the battery to the wall socket. You sold ur designs? hmm.. how did you do that?

[jsiv]

SIGH.. again

stupid damm grammar I got lol.

ok ill try my best. I have not slept for 72 hrs.. so that could explain it.
For someone that has studied electronics and cybernetics, you seem to have a hard time with relatively basic concepts?

I think the real reason you're having a hard time explaining yourself is because it's all bullcrap.

When a capacitor is being "charged" by a battery, the battery should be immediatly drained. How does it keep the battery from being immediately drained..
It doesn't. That would be physically impossible.

[MRC_Hans]

SIGH.. again

stupid damm grammar I got lol.

ok ill try my best. I have not slept for 72 hrs.. so that could explain it.

It could explain a lot, yes. Perhaps if you get some sleep, you'll feel less detached from reality.

When a capacitor is being "charged" by a battery, the battery should be immediatly drained. How does it keep the battery from being immediately drained..Why should the battery be immidiately drained? If it has sufficient capacity, it can charge a capacitor lots of times. Generally, batteries have FAR more storage capacity than capacitors (that is the reason we mostly use batteries for that job, and not capacitors).

Hans

[Pro7]

Quite clear. You saw these two schematics and thought, "hey, if I combine these, I get.....".

What you failed to notice were the terminals labelled "power in".

There is no such thing as energy amplifiers.

Clear?

Hans

well you made one didnt you?

[Pro7]

It could explain a lot, yes. Perhaps if you get some sleep, you'll feel less detached from reality.

Why should the battery be immidiately drained? If it has sufficient capacity, it can charge a capacitor lots of times. Generally, batteries have FAR more storage capacity than capacitors (that is the reason we mostly use batteries for that job, and not capacitors).

Hans

ok explain to me how a 9 volt battery goes into capacitors in a effort to make a 50000 voltage for the stun gun? ..

[Pro7]

For someone that has studied electronics and cybernetics, you seem to have a hard time with relatively basic concepts?

I think the real reason you're having a hard time explaining yourself is because it's all bullcrap.


It doesn't. That would be physically impossible.

lol yea its bullcrap to you but not to me. Im trying to learn how people's perceptions are..

[MRC_Hans]

nice. :)

My toy truck ran for over 8 months without recharging the battery to the wall socket.

No.

You sold ur designs? hmm.. how did you do that?

How I sold them? The usual way:

- Customer comes in, says "I need to power this instrument off a battery, but it needs precisely 50Hz (timing depends on it) and a good sinusodial wave-form, and 230V. Can you build that for me?"

- "Sure" sez I, "will cost you xxxx bucks"

- "Fine" sez customer.

- I build device (frying a few output transistors in the process, alas), and call customer, "Your device is ready"

- I ship device (to Greenland, actually), customer pays bill.

.... That's the way business is usually done.

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

ok explain to me how a 9 volt battery goes into capacitors in a effort to make a 50000 voltage for the stun gun? ..Want a diagram? Basically needs three transistors and a small transformer. And a few other components.

Do you have a camara? How do you think the flash works?

Hans

[Pro7]

No.



How I sold them? The usual way:

- Customer comes in, says "I need to power this instrument off a battery, but it needs precisely 50Hz (timing depends on it) and a good sinusodial wave-form, and 230V. Can you build that for me?"

- "Sure" sez I, "will cost you xxxx bucks"

- "Fine" sez customer.

- I build device (frying a few output transistors in the process, alas), and call customer, "Your device is ready"

- I ship device (to Greenland, actually), customer pays bill.

.... That's the way business is usually done.

Hans

Alright.. how would I scientifically prove that this is fact? .. What would satisfy the scientific community that this is real.. ???

[MRC_Hans]

(I say, there is no such thing as energy amplifiers)
well you made one didnt you?

No. A power amplifier. Not energy amplifier. BIG difference.

Hans

[jsiv]

lol yea its bullcrap to you but not to me. Im trying to learn how people's perceptions are..
Electronics doesn't concern itself with people's personal beliefs and feelings. It follows strict rules.

Religion and Philosophy is that way -->

[MRC_Hans]

Alright.. how would I scientifically prove that this is fact? .. What would satisfy the scientific community that this is real.. ???That my device worked? No problem. They'll believe me.

.... You see, I don't make ridiculous claims. My device took batter power (but I'm proud to say I had the efficiency up to almost 80%).

Hans

[Pro7]

(I say, there is no such thing as energy amplifiers)


No. A power amplifier. Not energy amplifier. BIG difference.

Hans

ok I stand corrected. (I cant think straight LOL) Its a power amplifier.. duh me heh.

[Pro7]

That my device worked? No problem. They'll believe me.

.... You see, I don't make ridiculous claims. My device took batter power (but I'm proud to say I had the efficiency up to almost 80%).

Hans

How would I be able to prove that my device actually works? to the scientific community?

[MRC_Hans]

ok I stand corrected.

No problem.

(I cant think straight LOL)

That is painfully obvious, I'm afraid.


Its a power amplifier.. duh me heh.

And, do you realize what difference that makes?

Hans

[Pro7]

No problem.



That is painfully obvious, I'm afraid.




And, do you realize what difference that makes?

Hans

Yea now I do.. sheesh.. all my words ar e wr ong heh

good night I need to sle ep this offf.. heh

[MRC_Hans]

How would I be able to prove that my device actually works? to the scientific community?Oh, your device? You won't. Because it doesn't.

But if you were to try, build it, demonstrate it. Not with a silly truck, Build your device, drive a load from it (a lamp would be fine, no need to change the device, just fid a suitable lamp).

Take it to some university, ask for the head of the physics lab. Put the running device on his desk, wait. You may need to wait for some time till he is convinced that a conventional power source must have run out, but then the fireworks will start (or your lamp will go out, and you will be thrown out, but hey, adversity builds character).

Hans

[jsiv]

How would I be able to prove that my device actually works? to the scientific community?
You show it to them and let them test it under controlled conditions. A local college could perhaps assist you.

Also, you seem a little confused. You can increase the voltage or current. That doesn't create energy out of nowhere, it simply moves it around -- a process that itself uses energy. Where does your "hybrid generating amplifier" get the energy it uses to recharge the batteries from? Does it pull it out of thin air?

[Flo]

Alright.. how would I scientifically prove that this is fact? .. What would satisfy the scientific community that this is real.. ???

Stop your game of "I'm a misunderstood genius", build your appartus, patent it, send it to someone qualified for examinations and tests.

[MRC_Hans]

Yea now I do.. sheesh.. all my words ar e wr ong heh

good night I need to sle ep this offf.. hehExcellent idea. 'nite!

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

And our friend went off-line, for a long overdue sleep. Hopefully, he'll remember none of this when he wakes up.

Hans :nope:

[my_wan]

Pro7,
You don't have to get a patent to have the rights to a patent. (Without too much legal explaination) Mailing it to yourself will not work. Notorize and date the blueprints, take pictures of the prototype, and keep a journal of your continued work on the device and commercializing it. Then when you publish it becomes prior art and nobody else can patent it but you since it was yours prior to publication. You can't patent a wrist phone because Dick Tracy had one. Then you can give us the actual blueprints and be protected. Then we can tear it up :D .

Edit: P.S. Good non family witnesses can do better than a notary if you can get them to court if it is ever needed. Patent infringement is a civil not criminal issue. It just gives you the right to sue for damages.

[kellyb]

Nevermind. I missed the party, it seems.

I'm not going to be mean to the OP since he seems to be a teenager.

Don't do this kind of crap, dude. It's silly. If you have a "theory" just ask people what they think. See if it really makes sense. Don't lie and say you've made something that you haven't. It will result in utter humiliation every time.

[Thabiguy]

Yea.. sorry for posting this.. I wont bother again about it. :)

Hey, no need to be sorry. You posted what you posted and said, "I would seriously like to hear from all of you what you think of this." And we all did as you asked. Nothing has gone wrong.

As for my opinion: if I take your story at face value, showing the ever-running toy truck to your friends and brother and mother is a waste of time. You should show it to Randi instead, he would like to see it so much that he'll give you million dollars if you show him. Nothing says, "nice truck, man," like a million bucks, eh? Go ahead and file your application, there's still time.

And no matter what, I must concede one point to you: you do have a great cat for your icon.

[PixyMisa]

And our friend went off-line, for a long overdue sleep. Hopefully, he'll remember none of this when he wakes up.

Hans :nope:

The thing that depresses me is how small people think. As I say every time one of these threads pops up, if you had a real working violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics, you could get a trillion dollars for it, no problem at all.

[SomeGuy]

I know first hand how hard it is to explain the law of preservation of energy to those not scientifically schooled.

It has taken me three years to get my mother to stop turning on the fan in my (all doors and windows closed) room an hour before I got home to precool my room.

She finally got it 2 months before I moved out.

[MRC_Hans]

The thing that depresses me is how small people think. As I say every time one of these threads pops up, if you had a real working violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics, you could get a trillion dollars for it, no problem at all.Yeah, that is always my first woo test for these things: If you claim you can solve the world's energy problems, but suggest camping trailers, cellphones, or toy trucks as primary applications, you have either missed your mark totally, or you are aiming at the more naive part of the audience.

Hans

[Thabiguy]

As I say every time one of these threads pops up, if you had a real working violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics, you could get a trillion dollars for it, no problem at all.

Really?

Say you have a device which will process a ton of gold into a ton and a gram of cow droppings. This is an outrageous violation of the First Law, creating dozens of terajoules out of nowhere.

How do you make a trillion dollars with that?

[strathmeyer]

Yeah, that is always my first woo test for these things: If you claim you can solve the world's energy problems, but suggest camping trailers, cellphones, or toy trucks as primary applications, you have either missed your mark totally, or you are aiming at the more naive part of the audience.

My first woo test is whether the thread title is a coherent sentence.

[Rasmus]

Really?

Say you have a device which will process a ton of gold into a ton and a gram of cow droppings. This is an outrageous violation of the First Law, creating dozens of terajoules out of nowhere.

How do you make a trillion dollars with that?

If the device works flawlessly and as advertised, I am sure you could easily sell it for that kind of money.

Here's my sales pitch: "And even if you can't figure out how it works exactly, just imagine you were able to reverse the process... that'll be one trillion dollars, please. No checks."

[PixyMisa]

Really?

Say you have a device which will process a ton of gold into a ton and a gram of cow droppings. This is an outrageous violation of the First Law, creating dozens of terajoules out of nowhere.

How do you make a trillion dollars with that?

Well, the example is absurd, but two points:

One, you are creating valuable organic material from nothing. Putting a ton of gold into orbit, or on the surface of the moon or Mars costs little more than a ton of food, and now you have an unlimited source of complex organic compounds and water.

Two, the mere proof of concept would overturn every industry in the world, so every company and every government would be fighting to get the license before they are rendered irrelevant. Staking the entire worth of your company on something that completely changes all human endeavour seems like a good bet. (In fact it would have to be consortium of companies, since no single one is worth a trillion dollars, but the total market cap on the NYSE is something like $20 trillion, so the money is out there.)

[Molinaro]

Pro7, I don't believe that you actualy built the car. I don't believe that it ran for months.

Nothing you have said supports those claims.

Amplifiers DO NOT create more electricity. Had you actualy turned your idea into a working model you would have discovered this fact.

[aggle-rithm]

Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device.

...snip...

I installed the device onto the toy truck next to where the battery pack would be in, the power box area, with a adapter that would match the each power connectors. I couldnt close the box because of the size of the device and the rechargable battery combined... so I just taped it together.. it was good enough. I turned on the truck and played with it..

Half hour later, the truck didnt die...

2 hours later...

I was thinking "Yahooo!!"...

The device was actually recharging the battery while playing with it. It worked perfectly ... The battery kept being recharged.. I measured it with a handheld pinpoint battery device.. it kept being registered as FULL on the meter..

...snip...

** I would seriously like to hear from all of you what you think of this. Thanks.

Let me put it this way:

If a cute little girl tells me she has a kitten at home, I believe her.

If she tells me she has a cow at home, I am somewhat skeptical, especially if she claims this cow sleeps in the bed with her.

If she says she has a unicorn at home, then she's lying through her filthy little teeth. I don't care how cute she is.

Make of this what you will...

[KingMerv00]

Disclaimer: I have some knowledge of US patent law but I am not dispensing office legal advice. Seek out a professional.

On the patentability of PMMs: In theory, you can patent a perpetual motion machine. However, the US patent office has had so many applications on perpetual motion machines that it treats it differently than other inventions. To cut down on the tidal wave of PMM paperwork, the US patent office requires a working model of the PMM BEFORE they grant you a patent.

All patentable inventions must be useful, nonobvious and new.

Useful: Unlimited energy is useful.

Nonobvious: You easily meet this requirement. It is pretty easy to meet anyway.

New: Assuming you are the first person to put this idea together, it is new. Public disclosure might destroy the "newness" if it enables a person skilled in the art to construct it. Disclosure does not automatically bar you from getting a patent though. In America, you have a one year grace period from time of public disclosure.

Sorry to interrupt. Just wanted to set the patent issue straight.

[Thabiguy]

Well, the example is absurd, ...

Well, my example was a bit tongue in cheek, but if you want something less absurd, here you go: your device creates a special field in which helium-3 atoms spontaneously split into hydrogen and deuterium. The increase in energy contents and the loss of value is actually comparable to the previous example.

One, you are creating valuable organic material from nothing. Putting a ton of gold into orbit, or on the surface of the moon or Mars costs little more than a ton of food, and now you have an unlimited source of complex organic compounds and water.

No, you don't. You turn the ton of gold into a ton and a gram of organic material and you're done, there's no more gold to process. You could just as well have sent the ton of crap right away.

With the other example, you will only get as much hydrogen and deuterium as you have helium-3, no more.

Two, the mere proof of concept would overturn every industry in the world, so every company and every government would be fighting to get the license before they are rendered irrelevant. Staking the entire worth of your company on something that completely changes all human endeavour seems like a good bet. (In fact it would have to be consortium of companies, since no single one is worth a trillion dollars, but the total market cap on the NYSE is something like $20 trillion, so the money is out there.)

Entirely wrong. Your perception of the patent process is distorted. You don't patent a scientific revolution. You get a patent for a specific technology, and this patent (where it holds) will only prevent others from making, using, selling or importing your invention. That's it. People will only need to buy a license from you if they want to manufacture and sell devices that turn gold into cow droppings using your technology - that and only that. Nobody will need a license from you to research your device or your technology. Any other technology that violates the First Law by doing something else (perhaps something useful) will not be covered by your patent.

[Beady]

It has taken me three years to get my mother to stop turning on the fan in my (all doors and windows closed) room an hour before I got home to precool my room.

You are extremely lucky. My father always got home from work at 1 AM and immediately made sure my bedroom window, two feet from my head, was open so I would get some fresh air while I slept.

At 1 AM.

Two feet from my head.

In Michigan.

Every rule 8 night of the year.

[MortFurd]

Alright.. how would I scientifically prove that this is fact? .. What would satisfy the scientific community that this is real.. ???
How about the fact I can order one through the mail and use it? That Hans has built a custom one is one thing. That I can order the same device (mass produced and sold by the thousands) is another.

Hans has built a DC to AC converter. There's nothing new there, and if you think there is, you need to take a GOOD look around before claiming you've built a revolutionary new device.

A higher output voltage does not equate to more energy out.

I've used this analogy before, and I'll repeat it again:
Think of a box. This box is 1 volt long by 1 ampere wide by 1 second high. This box represents 1 Joule of energy.

In order to get more energy, you must make this box bigger. If the voltage goes up and all else stays the same, then the box is bigger and there's more energy.

However, just saying that a higher voltage means more energy is wrong. You must also specify the current and the time so that we can see that the box has the same volume.

In a taser, the voltage goes way up, but the time and current go way down. The volume of the box stays the same, so there's no gain. In actual fact, there's is loss since some of the energy is wasted in the conversion.

If your RC car actually did run for 8 months without recharging the battery then I'd really like to see the diagram of what you did to it because what you are saying is makes no sense.

[~enigma~]

SIGH.. again

stupid damm grammar I got lol.

ok ill try my best. I have not slept for 72 hrs.. so that could explain it.

When a capacitor is being "charged" by a battery, the battery should be immediatly drained. How does it keep the battery from being immediately drained..
Ah...a sleep deprived hallucination explains alot :)

[rwguinn]

Pardon me for asking, but I didn't see this addressed anywhere in this thread...
Since when is the US Government in the manufacturing business*?



*(Aside from fertilizer , paperwork, and hot air, I mean)

[MortFurd]

Pardon me for asking, but I didn't see this addressed anywhere in this thread...
Since when is the US Government in the manufacturing business*?



*(Aside from fertilizer , paperwork, and hot air, I mean)

Well, if you're so stoned you think this thing actually works, then it would also seem logical that a government would manufacture it. I mean, they've, like, got all those people and buildings and people and buildings are like factories, you know?

[rwguinn]

Well, if you're so stoned you think this thing actually works, then it would also seem logical that a government would manufacture it. I mean, they've, like, got all those people and buildings and people and buildings are like factories, you know?

Like, wow, dude. I forgot about that.
I gotta, like, go score some cheetos now...

[Fell]

In these cases I have found that this is a good reference.

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf



lol.

[Belz...]

Yes this device creates energy. It would probably violate the known physics laws on energy creation

Therefore it doesn't work at all.

I'll go with the Troll option.

its all common sense....

That does it.

Are you sure that I would achieve fame and fortune beyond belief? Someone else probably will steal the idea and make a fortune for themselves. Anyone who can figure this out, is their fortune.

What a convenient pile of stinking nonsense.

Im truly sorry for ever posting this on this forum.

That's what I thought. Deluded or trollish.

[Cuddles]

Well, my example was a bit tongue in cheek, but if you want something less absurd, here you go: your device creates a special field in which helium-3 atoms spontaneously split into hydrogen and deuterium. The increase in energy contents and the loss of value is actually comparable to the previous example.

I'm confused. Are you saying that an unlimited free source of hydrogen wouldn't be useful? The biggest problem with a hydrogen economy is that the hydrogen take energy to get. If you can create it without putting energy in you've solved the world's energy problems forever. Are you saying that once you have a device that can do that there is no possible way of finding similar technology that can do other weird things? This example is far sillier than your first becaues this one is so obviously worth billions. Turning gold to cow poo at least seems useless at first, as long as you don't think about it too hard.

No, you don't. You turn the ton of gold into a ton and a gram of organic material and you're done, there's no more gold to process. You could just as well have sent the ton of crap right away.

With the other example, you will only get as much hydrogen and deuterium as you have helium-3, no more.[/quote]

Yes, that ton is gone. And now you take another ton of gold...
The Moon has plenty of stuff just lying around, but not much in the way of organics. Turning inorganic stuff into organic would be worth billions by itself, let alone with the extra feature of creating energy.

[Loss Leader]

I'm not sure why anyone responds to a Pro7 thread. This is his usual MO - make an insane claim, be coy about it, drop hints that don't add up to anything, become offended that people are demanding evidence, pretend that your audience is too dumb to understand you and then leave. He's your classic, all-american troll.

[robinson]

This is the worst thread ever.

[Madalch]

Watt ever do you mean?
Ohmy god- did you just make a pun?

[Kopji]

Watt ever do you mean?

I meant, he should have expected some impedance to his idea. :)

I'm not sure why anyone responds to a Pro7 thread. This is his usual MO - make an insane claim, be coy about it, drop hints that don't add up to anything, become offended that people are demanding evidence, pretend that your audience is too dumb to understand you and then leave. He's your classic, all-american troll.

Imagine, a troll! I'm sorry, he seemed like such a nice boy too. I suppose that I am naive in thinking that it is always worth spending a few minutes working these things through.

Well he said he was sorry for wasting our time. I have a new cat picture though!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/106145f8475337c74.jpg



Ah! So that's how multiquote works.

[Belz...]

Yea now I do.. sheesh.. all my words ar e wr ong heh

good night I need to sle ep this offf.. heh

Yeah, you're using a keyboard, allright.

[PixyMisa]

No, you don't. You turn the ton of gold into a ton and a gram of organic material and you're done, there's no more gold to process. You could just as well have sent the ton of crap right away.

Sorry, I misread it as "a ton of gold and a gram of...". The example you actually give is ludicrous, rather than merely absurd, but still enormously valuable. Today only, we throw in transmutation of the elements with every First Law violation!

With the other example, you will only get as much hydrogen and deuterium as you have helium-3, no more.It's all protons, neutrons and electrons. That's easy to fix.

Entirely wrong. Your perception of the patent process is distorted. You don't patent a scientific revolution. You get a patent for a specific technology, and this patent (where it holds) will only prevent others from making, using, selling or importing your invention. That's it. People will only need to buy a license from you if they want to manufacture and sell devices that turn gold into cow droppings using your technology - that and only that. Nobody will need a license from you to research your device or your technology. Any other technology that violates the First Law by doing something else (perhaps something useful) will not be covered by your patent.You'd have to hire a pretty stupid patent lawyer to have things fall out that way. And in any case, you don't have to go the patent route. (I never said anything about patents, by the way.)

[geoman]

Let me put it this way:

If a cute little girl tells me she has a kitten at home, I believe her.

If she tells me she has a cow at home, I am somewhat skeptical, especially if she claims this cow sleeps in the bed with her.

If she says she has a unicorn at home, then she's lying through her filthy little teeth. I don't care how cute she is.

Make of this what you will...

That you think Pro7 is a cute little girl???

[Fnord]

Typical emo case ...

1) "I accidentally discovered an amazing way to violate the laws of physics!"
2) “I showed it to some friends and they were amazed, too!”
3) “It’s so simple, anyone could have discovered it, but I’m the first!”
4) “I’ve applied for a patent.”
5) “My discovery creates energy / cures everything / predicts the future / communicates with the dead.”
6) “Here’s a hint: you’ve seen something like it every day.”
7) “I have not applied for a patent, so I can’t tell you how it works.”
8) “I shouldn’t tell you any more, as it could ruin the economy / cause a panic / start a war / put people out of work.”
9) “I’m not lying.”
10) "Why won't anyone take me seriously?"
11) “That's it! I've had enough!”
12) "What I meant to say is that this device exploits a previously unknown law of physics!"
13) “I’m not lying. You’re just jealous.”
14) “I'm outta here! Bye!"
15) "I mean it!"
16) "Okay, it's really a combination of two or more previous inventions."
17) "I'm not stupid! You just hate me cause I are more smarterer than you."
18) “I have advanced degrees in more than one field of science.”
19) “I’m leaving, and I really mean it this time!"
20) “Alright … here’s another hint …”
21) “I’m sorry I ever posted here. You’re all against me.”
22) “It uses [insert Star Trek technobabble here], just like Star Wars.”
23) “It exploits a previously unknown property of a known device.”
24) “I have a personal problem that prevents a clear explanation.”
25) “Here is another extraordinary claim…”
26) “I don’t know how to prove it, that’s why I asked you.”

Return to any previous step, and repeat.

[roger]

Ohmy god- did you just make a pun?It's shocking, isn't it?

[KingMerv00]

Entirely wrong. Your perception of the patent process is distorted. You don't patent a scientific revolution. You get a patent for a specific technology, and this patent (where it holds) will only prevent others from making, using, selling or importing your invention. That's it. People will only need to buy a license from you if they want to manufacture and sell devices that turn gold into cow droppings using your technology - that and only that. Nobody will need a license from you to research your device or your technology. Any other technology that violates the First Law by doing something else (perhaps something useful) will not be covered by your patent.

I'm with Pixy on this one.

Any halfway intelligent patent attorney would be able to secure your financial independence for a very very long time.

You don't need to patent a scientific revolution. Your patent would not only include your initial discovery but also variations on the same theme. After you get a patent, you would simply need to prove that it works in a scientific journal and every energy company on earth would be kicking in your door for the exclusive license rights. 100 million is a low-ball estimate.

Someone would eventually discover technology that made yours obsolete but it wouldn't matter. You'd already be flithy stinking rich.

[KingMerv00]

You'd have to hire a pretty stupid patent lawyer to have things fall out that way. And in any case, you don't have to go the patent route. (I never said anything about patents, by the way.)

The patent route would probably be best. You'd never be able to keep it a trade secret.

[Overman]

Ah, Pro7, you are like my own personal IAmMe. I think your greatest invention may yet turn out to be the automated nonsense generator. I'd buy one.

Reading this first sentence was the first time that I realized that Iamme is IAmMe. It somehow makes Iamme even more nonsensical, though I don't know how that is possible.

[Overman]

(27) "I haven't slept in 2 days/my keyboard is messed up."

[RayG]

It's shocking, isn't it?

Ohm y Ed, you're a punny fellow. :D

RayG

[Pro7]

Wow.. damm...

man, was I ever screwed up last night. I was on prescrips for bronchitis plus from having no sleep for over 72 hrs... everything I said in here regarding the device is actually wrong. Wrong words.

Fact:

1. Yes the working model functioned for 8 months prior to trashing it. I have many witnesses, it cannot be denied.
2. The design of the working device was worded wrong. I apologize for that. The device consisted a photovoltaic capacitor unit with a "resistance board" consisted of certain types of resistors on the board. It also consisted a blank or dead rechargeable 9 volt battery directly connected to the photovoltaic capacitor unit.
3. The circuitry would then be complete by looping the circuit to and from the rechargeable battery pack.
4. It had a simple off/on switch.

Now dont get me wrong, I may be in error of how this works because it has been a while since I have ever thought of this. Its the best what I can give you in response of how it works. In the previous mentioning of "2 schematic diagrams" in the early messed, screwed up minded posts that I did on here, is indeed correct but the wording of all of it is gravely errorneous.

Another thing, that photovoltaic capacitor was a 330V capacitor lol. Surprised me that it didnt just blow up the toy truck heh

Its just another feeble attempt to clear this issue :)

[Madalch]

Ohm y Ed, you're a punny fellow. :D

RayG
That's original.

[RenaissanceBiker]

(yawn)

[Pro7]

End of Discussion. Thanks to all. Disregard this loony tunes crap :)

[jsiv]

2. The design of the working device was worded wrong. I apologize for that. The device consisted a photovoltaic capacitor unit with a "resistance board" consisted of certain types of resistors on the board. It also consisted a blank or dead rechargeable 9 volt battery directly connected to the photovoltaic capacitor unit.
3. The circuitry would then be complete by looping the circuit to and from the rechargeable battery pack.
4. It had a simple off/on switch.

[...] Another thing, that photovoltaic capacitor was a 330V capacitor lol. Surprised me that it didnt just blow up the toy truck heh
Good to see you back and making even less sense than before.

It's okay to admit that you were just making it all up. It was mildly amusing.

[Pro7]

what? I was actually making sense when I was bombed out of my brains?

lol

true scientists wouldnt just try to put someone down, they would ask Scientific Questions and maybe , just maybe I will give out the full design of this device.

otherwords, who the hell CARES???? .. all of you think you're better than me in many ways (which might be true! LOL) Im buying the parts today to rebuild this and put it on a remote controlled car or truck. Ill be enjoying the benefits while all of you just go suck a lemon.

so END OF DISCUSSION.

[jsiv]

Here are two scientific questions:

1.) How does a photovoltaic capacitor unit ("330V") with resistance board and 9V battery work?
2.) Does anything in the above sentence make sense in your dimension?

[jimbob]

A thorium decay thermopile?

[Pro7]

Here are two scientific questions:

1.) How does a photovoltaic capacitor unit ("330V") with resistance board and 9V battery work?
2.) Does anything in the above sentence make sense in your dimension?

1. I soldered the dead-blank 9 v rechargeable battery to the photovoltaic capacitor. The original battery pack for the remote controlled vehicle is charged. The circuitry is simple, the photovoltaic capacitor and the dead blank 9v rechargeable battery gets charged by the main rechargeable battery pack. It may not be called a "circuitry" but in my eyes its like one. The original rechargeable battery pack gets drained but stored in the photovoltaic-dead rechargeable battery combo. Then the "combo" gives out the current to the "resistance board" which is then "measured". Then the completion comes to a split off from the higher capacitor-dead batt. combo which "fuels" the toy and also "fuels" the already drained original rechargeable batt pack. This causes a infinite loop.

A. The resistance board consists of certain amounts of "germanium resistors" (no further details given, this is secret)

2. My perception is voice based, not in regular grammar setting. I have had problems in the past that people have a terrible time understanding my description based on how I write or speak. You have to look at it as if I was speaking from the spirit.

[Psiload]

A thorium decay thermopile?

I thought the Spartans won that battle.

[Fnord]

28) I won't give out the names of the witnesses, in order to protect their privacy.
29) The prototype no longer exists, so I can't demonstrate it.
30) I was bombed when I posted everything before, so your misunderstanding is not my fault.

[jsiv]

1. I soldered the dead-blank 9 v rechargeable battery to the photovoltaic capacitor. The original battery pack for the remote controlled vehicle is charged. The circuitry is simple, the photovoltaic capacitor and the dead blank 9v rechargeable battery gets charged by the main rechargeable battery pack. It may not be called a "circuitry" but in my eyes its like one.
What is a photovoltaic capacitor and how does charging it and a 9V battery with your RC car's battery pack create free energy?

[Thabiguy]

I'm confused. Are you saying that an unlimited free source of hydrogen wouldn't be useful? The biggest problem with a hydrogen economy is that the hydrogen take energy to get. If you can create it without putting energy in you've solved the world's energy problems forever. Are you saying that once you have a device that can do that there is no possible way of finding similar technology that can do other weird things? This example is far sillier than your first becaues this one is so obviously worth billions.

Cuddles, please think about it again. In order to have unlimited free source of hydrogen, you would need unlimited free source of helium-3 - very rare and expensive substance that takes much more energy to get than hydrogen. If this device is obviously worth billions, please go ahead and show me an obvious scheme to make billions with it (other than "sell it to someone who is willing to pay billions for it"). Don't forget to substract from the final amount the amount of money you would have made using the same scheme without the device.

[Fell]

Then afterwards I discovered so many things on the internet, I came across the topic of "Free Energy"... I was like.. whooaa.. wait a min, could this also be a "free energy device?"..

Gibbs or Helmholtz free energy?

[Pro7]

A thorium decay thermopile?

Please explain what made u think of that...

[jsiv]

Ah, I get it now.

Pro7 is using ExtremeSkeptic's advanced physics concepts.

[Fnord]

1. I soldered the dead-blank 9 v rechargeable battery to the photovoltaic capacitor. The original battery pack for the remote controlled vehicle is charged. The circuitry is simple, the photovoltaic capacitor and the dead blank 9v rechargeable battery gets charged by the main rechargeable battery pack. It may not be called a "circuitry" but in my eyes its like one.

So you have a 330V photovoltaic capacitor connected to a 9-volt rechargeable battery.

Are they in series or in parallel?

Is the battery NiCd or Li-ION?

A. The resistance board consists of certain amounts of germanium resistors. (no further details given, this is secret)

Germanium Resisitors are used in cryogenic sensing applications. They're very expensive compared to Carbon Composition, Metal Film, and Cermet resistors. Too expensive to be used in a mere battery-charging circuit.

2. My perception is voice based, not in regular grammar setting. I have had problems in the past that people have a terrible time understanding my description based on how I write or speak. You have to look at it as if I was speaking from the spirit.

WOO ALERT!

Claims of Spirit-Speaking is a primo-facto indication that the writer has no scientific training, and therefore is not qualified to recognize and understand what he/she is doing.

Spiritualism and science do not mix.

Pro7 is not a scientist.

His claims are bogus.

[Pro7]

What is a photovoltaic capacitor and how does charging it and a 9V battery with your RC car's battery pack create free energy?

A photovoltaic capacitor is similiar to a regular capacitor in today's circuits. However, there is significiant difference between that capacitor which came from a old TV set.

I had several of those and I did take apart one of them. It consists of 26 strands of dielectric material and 27 strands of "storing material", unlike any other regular capacitor on the market, hence, they do not make these anymore. The unique materials inside this specific type of photovoltaic capacitor is indeed different than of a regular capacitor. For a time being, I could not identify that specific "storing material" until a scientist from Los Alamos (which is now the national laboratory) who is a friend of mine, explained to me, the reason for such nonexistence of that type of capacitor in today's circuits was because it was causing a problem with circuitry being fried... they remade a new type of capacitor which is used today in all circuits and is no longer frying a circuit. The history of this photovoltaic capacitor is under rubicon, which was then a generic issue.

[Pro7]

So you have a 330V photovoltaic capacitor connected to a 9-volt rechargeable battery.

Are they in series or in parallel?

Is the battery NiCd or Li-ION?



Germanium Resisitors are used in cryogenic sensing applications. They're very expensive compared to Carbon Composition, Metal Film, and Cermet resistors. Too expensive to be used in a mere battery-charging circuit.



WOO ALERT!

Claims of Spirit-Speaking is a primo-facto indication that the writer has no scientific training, and therefore is not qualified to recognize and understand what he/she is doing.

Spiritualism and science do not mix.

Pro7 is not a scientist.


His claims are bogus.


LOL... I am a scientist, but however that is ur opinion. I invented things that are odd and workable in the past. No matter what you say or try to debunk any issues from me.

[fuelair]

Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device.


Thanks.

The US government doesn't - for any practical purposes - manufacture things/services. It pays/hires companies/individuals for things they have manufactured. (That is point A).

They won't approve patents on things that won't - according to the known principles/Laws, theories of Physics (etc.). And, according to those, IF you have described your device correctly and completely, it cannot work as you describe. (That is Point B).

If you believe they are wrong, you have to disprove Point B by building and demonstrating your device in controlled settings - not in a field with just you watching - and then, the government might well buy some from you - as will most everyone else.

The ball is in your court - go, build, don't waste time passing the sad story of government evil blocking the path of True Knowledge - you are too close to good money IF YOU ARE NOT WRONG!!!

[Fnord]

A photovoltaic capacitor is similiar to a regular capacitor in today's circuits. However, there is significiant difference between that capacitor which came from a old TV set.

I had several of those and I did take apart one of them. It consists of 26 strands of dielectric material and 27 strands of "storing material", unlike any other regular capacitor on the market, hence, they do not make these anymore. The unique materials inside this specific type of photovoltaic capacitor is indeed different than of a regular capacitor.

*** WRONG AGAIN ***

A Photovoltaic Capacitor is a device that converts solar energy to electricity and stores the electricity. It incorporates both photovoltaic and storage functions in a single cell with a thin, sandwich-type structure. By contrast, the photocapacitor, like conventional batteries, can produce voltage equivalent to the collective input of photocapacitors connected in series. The prototype produces 0.7V. It is STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT by its inventor, the Toin University of Yokohama, Japan.

However, it is contolled under U.S. Patent 4179627.

[Loss Leader]

When we humor him, he puts us down for being too dense to understand his device; when we don't humor him, he puts us down for being closed minded.

I wish somebody somewhere had a picture of a cat to show me.

[Pro7]

*** WRONG AGAIN ***


A Photovoltaic Capacitor is a device that converts solar energy to electricity and stores the electricity. It incorporates both photovoltaic and storage functions in a single cell with a thin, sandwich-type structure. By contrast, the photocapacitor, like conventional batteries, can produce voltage equivalent to the collective input of photocapacitors connected in series. The prototype produces 0.7V. It is STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT by its inventor, the Toin University of Yokohama, Japan.


However, it is contolled under U.S. Patent 4179627.


LOL yes.. thats the MODERN PHOTOVOLTAIC Capacitor. The old types werent used for solar applications. The old types were round and about 1 inch in diameter.

There is a huge difference between a photovoltaic capacitor used in solar applications and those which was used in old TV sets. The inventor you mentioned on here, is using that word as photovoltaic because it is directed in the use of the sun.

[Fnord]

When we humor him, he puts us down for being too dense to understand his device; when we don't humor him, he puts us down for being closed minded.

He's like someone I just fired. He was trying to get a salaried job in my engineering department. He would also make extrordinary claims of his accomplishments, but provide no proof to back them up. Like the time he claimed to hold the patent on the original spread-spectrum technology (SST) used in all cell phones. When I pointed out to him that Heddy LaMarr invented SST back in the early 1940's, he then claimed that everyone else had misunderstood him when he claimed to hold a copyright on cell phone technology!

(This one is still joked about around here.)

One day, the rest of the engineering staff, an HR rep, and I confronted him and gave him 30 days to "put up or shut up."

He filed an harrassment claim, based on an obscure and undocumented disability.

We went through the usual routine, and his claim was eventually and officially found groundless. This, and a few "irregularites" in inventory and attendance convinced me to "give him the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere." ;)

Now he has the gall to try to use me as a reference. All I tell the callers is "Yes, he worked here" and "No, I would not, under any circumstances, re-hire him." I give the same responses to written requests, as well.

Yep ... deja vu all over again! :D

[Fnord]

LOL yes.. thats the MODERN PHOTOVOLTAIC Capacitor. The old types werent used for solar applications. The old types were round and about 1 inch in diameter.

There is a huge difference between a photovoltaic capacitor used in solar applications and those which was used in old TV sets. The inventor you mentioned on here, is using that word as photovoltaic because it is directed in the use of the sun.

*** FREAKING WRONG AGAIN ***

Better get used to it, kid. We're all on to you. That patent is for the original technology. The review came out in an article of "III-Vs REVIEW" on 29 November, 2004 (http://www.three-fives.com/competitive_complementary_news/november04_c_c_news/291104Solar_photovoltaic_capacitor.htm). The patent itself is listed at Free Patents Online (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4179627.html). It is associated with patent 6943526 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6943526.html).

Time for you to come up out of your momma's basement; you're impressing no one.

[Pro7]

*** FREAKING WRONG AGAIN ***




Better get used to it, kid. We're all on to you. That patent is for the original technology. The review came out in an article of "III-Vs REVIEW" on 29 November, 2004 (http://www.three-fives.com/competitive_complementary_news/november04_c_c_news/291104Solar_photovoltaic_capacitor.htm). The patent itself is listed at Free Patents Online (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4179627.html). It is associated with patent 6943526 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6943526.html).

Time for you to come up out of your momma's basement; you're impressing no one.

WRONG!!!

Its not original technology. Matter of a fact, I did look at US patents regarding the use of old photovoltaic caps and its not even listed because it was termed and decided as defective and had no use to apply for patent pending. That patent you're referring to is for a different device not the one Im directing on here. That inventor is using that word "photovoltaic"... same names , different devices.

[Pro7]

*** FREAKING WRONG AGAIN ***


Better get used to it, kid. We're all on to you. That patent is for the original technology. The review came out in an article of "III-Vs REVIEW" on 29 November, 2004 (http://www.three-fives.com/competitive_complementary_news/november04_c_c_news/291104Solar_photovoltaic_capacitor.htm). The patent itself is listed at Free Patents Online (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4179627.html). It is associated with patent 6943526 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6943526.html).

Time for you to come up out of your momma's basement; you're impressing no one.

<---thinks you're a government disinfo agent. In the past I did had unusual visitations by people asking about my device, even though I did show some of them. A couple were nasty A###oles because they didnt like the idea of my invention and wanted me to CEASE any operations regarding it.

[Fnord]

WRONG!!!

Its not original technology. Matter of a fact, I did look at US patents regarding the use of old photovoltaic caps and its not even listed because it was termed and decided as defective and had no use to apply for patent pending. That patent you're referring to is for a different device not the one Im directing on here. That inventor is using that word "photovoltaic"... same names , different devices.


Then someone does not fully comprehend the "Photovoltaic Principle." It's either the original research team, which was comprised of about a dozen phyisicist and engineers; or one lonely kid from southwestern Idaho, who has no credentials or credibility to speak of.

Hint: My money is NOT on the professional research team. :p

[Fnord]

<---thinks you're a government disinfo agent. In the past I did had unusual visitations by people asking about my device, even though I did show some of them. A couple were nasty A###oles because they didnt like the idea of my invention and wanted me to CEASE any operations regarding it.

"When in trouble, when in doubt, point your finger, scream and shout!" Is this your new mantra, kid? Or doesn't the Ammon branch of the NRA teach you anything about the Fallacies of Reason, especially the "Ad Hominem" fallacy?

I have you backed into a corner; I know it, you know it, and anyone else reading this forum knows it, as well. :cool:

[~enigma~]

<---thinks you're a government disinfo agent. In the past I did had unusual visitations by people asking about my device, even though I did show some of them. A couple were nasty A###oles because they didnt like the idea of my invention and wanted me to CEASE any operations regarding it.Ah...showing your true colors Mr. Woo? Thought as much after that veiled reference to Michael Ruppert. You believe that 9/11 was an inside job, chemtrails and the moon landing was a hoax. Grow up, get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

[Pro7]

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/2194/33469/01588358.pdf?arnumber=1588358

READ IT CAREFULLY. check that sentence which says "complicated controlled loops"

[Pro7]

Ah...showing your true colors Mr. Woo? Thought as much after that veiled reference to Michael Ruppert. You believe that 9/11 was an inside job, chemtrails and the moon landing was a hoax. Grow up, get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

LOL
I have a job. I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States. Go back to the rabbit hole you came from.

[~enigma~]

LOL
I have a job. I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States. Go back to the rabbit hole you came from.Proof of your bs claim...

Anyone notice he didn't deny his wooish ways?

[Pro7]

"When in trouble, when in doubt, point your finger, scream and shout!" Is this your new mantra, kid? Or doesn't the Ammon branch of the NRA teach you anything about the Fallacies of Reason, especially the "Ad Hominem" fallacy?

I have you backed into a corner; I know it, you know it, and anyone else reading this forum knows it, as well. :cool:

Well Ammon was a fun place to live. Criminals, drug freaks everywhere.. you name it, Ammon had it all. You think Im a badger ready to strike when Im cornered? Wrong AGAIN!...

You started this "Ad Hominem" fallacy in the first place when you tried to pinpoint a issue which misdirects the main topic...

[Pro7]

Proof of your bs claim...

Anyone notice he didn't deny his wooish ways?

Maybe you should check www.tekinvestigationllc.net (http://www.tekinvestigationllc.net) :)

[Fnord]

Maybe you should check www.tekinvestigationllc.net (http://www.tekinvestigationllc.net) :)

So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent as a cover for disinformation services?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress.

[~enigma~]

Maybe you should check www.tekinvestigationllc.net (http://www.tekinvestigationllc.net) :) So your an imaginary rent a cop? Large company?

Anybody want to read a sample of their bs click here (http://www.plex86.org/Computer_Folklore/winscape-2176.html).

[Fnord]

You started this "Ad Hominem" fallacy in the first place when you tried to pinpoint a issue which misdirects the main topic...

And which issue might that be, pray tell?

[~enigma~]

So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent as a cover for disinformation services?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress.Go check out the forums there....filled with paranoid bs. They are a collection of woo woos or one woo with MPD:)

[Pro7]

So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent as a cover for disinformation services?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress.


WTF is going on here? just now I just clicked the quote button and I get that above..

actually you said:

So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent to evade federal income taxes?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress

[DangerousBeliefs]

LOL
I have a job. I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States. Go back to the rabbit hole you came from.

Oh geesh... why are you guys feeding this looney?

[~enigma~]

Maybe you should check www.tekinvestigationllc.net (http://www.tekinvestigationllc.net) :)So tell us...

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Was the moon landing a hoax?
Does the government spray us with poison chemtrails?
Did the government kill JFK?

You have been found out...

[~enigma~]

Oh geesh... why are you guys feeding this looney?
Fun to watch him try to extricate himself from the tar baby he created.

[Fnord]

So your an imaginary rent a cop? Large company?

Anybody want to read a sample of their bs click here (http://www.plex86.org/Computer_Folklore/winscape-2176.html).

Okay...

THE "D-Dawg," Formerly of Ensemble Studios? The artist? Now a private investigator and pseudo-scientist?

Where's my laugh machine...

[Pro7]

So your an imaginary rent a cop? Large company?

Anybody want to read a sample of their bs click here (http://www.plex86.org/Computer_Folklore/winscape-2176.html).

LOL.

That was someone who was trying to tear us apart. He was prosecuted under full extent of federal law. Hes serving a 15 year prison sentence at the moment.

[Fnord]

Originally Posted by Fnord http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2426293#post2426293)
So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent as a cover for disinformation services?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress.


Yep. Busted.

I re-read it between posts and thought that no one would be stupid enough to accuse others of being government shills AND own a government-sponsored company at the same time.

My bad. I shoulda typed quicker.

See how easy it is to admit it when you're WRONG?

[jimtron]

LOL yes.. thats the MODERN PHOTOVOLTAIC Capacitor.

LOL
I have a job.

LOL... I am a scientist, but however that is ur opinion.

Those are the "LOLs" from this page only. Maybe all your laughing out loud is sending out vibrations that are powering the device? OR ARE YOU LYING ABOUT LAUGHING OUT LOUD?

[~enigma~]

LOL.

That was someone who was trying to tear us apart. He was prosecuted under full extent of federal law. Hes serving a 15 year prison sentence at the moment.
That was written by Jake Dotson Chief Special Investigator TEK INVESTIGATION LLC so stop your bs lying.

[Pro7]

Originally Posted by Fnord http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2426293#post2426293)
So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent as a cover for disinformation services?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress.


Yep. Busted.

I re-read it between posts and thought that no one would be stupid enough to accuse others of being government shills AND own a government-sponsored company at the same time.

My bad. I shoulda typed quicker.

See how easy it is to admit it when you're WRONG?



Yea I use a hotmail email addy for a reason. The other main business email addresses are given to clients afterwards. Am I wrong in everything that you think I am? A lot of people certainly do not think so.

[Alareth]

I'm sorry for jumping into this so late, but back in the first post you mentioned batteries that lasted for 30 minutes. Where did you find those? The ones I have top out at about 20 minutes runtime. That extra 10 minutes would be awesome.

[~enigma~]

LOL.


You going to answer...

So tell us...

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Was the moon landing a hoax?
Does the government spray us with poison chemtrails?
Did the government kill JFK?

You have been found out...

[Pro7]

That was written by Jake Dotson Chief Special Investigator TEK INVESTIGATION LLC so stop your bs lying.

Yes, I am Jake Dotson. Thats my nickname :)

[~enigma~]

Am I wrong in everything that you think I am? In a word...YES

[Pro7]

I'm sorry for jumping into this so late, but back in the first post you mentioned batteries that lasted for 30 minutes. Where did you find those? The ones I have top out at about 20 minutes runtime. That extra 10 minutes would be awesome.

It was a 9.6 V from a RAGE remote controlled truck purchased at RadioShack back then. What I am going to do, since this forum had intriqued me in many ways, I will reconstruct the device and get it to working exactly as I had it in the past. Then I would personally show it to Mr. Randi himself. :) I hope I can still find any of those old "photovoltaic" caps laying around somewhere, thats a crucial "ingredient" in this device.

[~enigma~]

LOL.

That was someone who was trying to tear us apart. He was prosecuted under full extent of federal law. Hes serving a 15 year prison sentence at the moment.

Yes, I am Jake Dotson. Thats my nickname :)
So are you now claiming that you were trying to tear yourself apart and are now serving a 15 year prison sentence? You really are a f[rule8] loony bird.

[~enigma~]

It was a 9.6 V from a RAGE remote controlled truck purchased at RadioShack back then. What I am going to do, since this forum had intriqued me in many ways, I will reconstruct the device and get it to working exactly as I had it in the past. Then I would personally show it to Mr. Randi himself. :) I hope I can still find any of those old "photovoltaic" caps laying around somewhere, thats a crucial "ingredient" in this device.Great out woo. I am laying odds that the old photovoltaic cap will not be found. Any takers?

[fuelair]

<---thinks you're a government disinfo agent. In the past I did had unusual visitations by people asking about my device, even though I did show some of them. A couple were nasty A###oles because they didnt like the idea of my invention and wanted me to CEASE any operations regarding it.

Friendly advice - seek help from a professional psychiatrist - mention paranoid and delusional to help him get started more quickly.:D

[Pro7]

In a word...YES

If you think so, then I think the same as of you. What's important is, it doesnt matter if we are wrong or right in terms of perspective, as long we can humanely discuss any issues without the notion of violence.

[~enigma~]

Friendly advice - seek help from a professional psychiatrist - mention paranoid and delusional to help him get started more quickly.:D
Don't forget MPD...see post #167 for proof :)

[Pro7]

So are you now claiming that you were trying to tear yourself apart and are now serving a 15 year prison sentence? You really are a f[rule8] loony bird.

DUH..

That was someone named "Jake Anderson"

[~enigma~]

If you think so, then I think the same as of you. What's important is, it doesnt matter if we are wrong or right in terms of perspective, as long we can humanely discuss any issues without the notion of violence.
Humanely discuss anything with a woo is an impossibility. Are you going to answer the questions I keep asking.

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Was the moon landing a hoax?
Does the government spray us with poison chemtrails?
Did the government kill JFK?

[Pro7]

Friendly advice - seek help from a professional psychiatrist - mention paranoid and delusional to help him get started more quickly.:D

a lot of people are paranoid and delusional. It is a requirement in our business to have each other checked out for any mental instabilities.

So far, I have none.

My international partners have none.

[SezMe]

If you think so, then I think the same as of you.
Takes one to know one. Neener, neener, neener. So's your ol' lady.

Jeeeeebus, this is a stinking sandbox at kindergarten.

[Pro7]

Humanely discuss anything with a woo is an impossibility. Are you going to answer the questions I keep asking.

Why would you want to know the answers to those questions?

[~enigma~]

DUH..

That was someone named "Jake Anderson"
You are a f[rule8]ing insane ignoranus. Here is the letter ADDRESSED to Jake Anderson from Jake Dotson.



Mr. Jake Anderson,
You need to stop spying on us. You need to stop going around inspecting our websites. You also need to tell your friends to stop attempting to modify or damage our websites. You and your friends will not be able to modify them. It is a wonder one of your so called 'drug f***ed buddies' got busted a couple days ago eh?
We are Tek Investigation LLC, and we do INVESTIGATE those who commit cyber crimes. For this, you are under investigation whether the f*** you like it or not. We know where you work, where you live, what you eat and how many times a day you took a poo, and what your email addresses are. Hell, we even know how much cash you got in your wallet. As of right now, you got exactly 38 bucks in your flimsy faggoty snake skin looking wallet. We also know you got laid last night with Jennifer McCloud. We even got your f***ing qwest IP addresses and we are using qwest to track your butt online.
You can also tell your f***ing french talking buddy to lay off his rest threatening phone calls. We tracked his butt to a bus station on bannock street in boise.
Whenever the f*** you read this, you will know we are watching you.
f***ing 'Tard Jake Dotson Chief Special Investigator TEK INVESTIGATION

Your turn ignoranus :)

[~enigma~]

a lot of people are paranoid and delusional. It is a requirement in our business to have each other checked out for any mental instabilities.

So far, I have none.

My international partners have none.You mean you have imaginary partners like 3 year olds have imaginary friends....how cute :)

[Pro7]

You are a f[rule8]ing insane ignoranus. Here is the letter ADDRESSED to Jake Anderson from Jake Dotson.



Your turn ignoranus :)

Correct. It was written by me to a Jake Anderson. This was a issue involving serious crimes committed by the same person against our business in 2005.

[~enigma~]

Why would you want to know the answers to those questions?
So we can clearly see that we are dealing with a paranoid woo.

[Pro7]

You mean you have imaginary partners like 3 year olds have imaginary friends....how cute :)

LOL....

[Slimething]

a lot of people are paranoid and delusional. It is a requirement in our business to have each other checked out for any mental instabilities.

So far, I have none.

My international partners have none.

Repeat after me: I am sane and have the paperwork to prove it! :boggled:

[tracer]

ok explain to me how a 9 volt battery goes into capacitors in a effort to make a 50000 voltage for the stun gun? ..
I think I see where some of your confusion is coming from.

I need you to perform this exercise:

Please explain the differences between:
electric power
electric energy
voltage, and
current
These terms have precise meaning within the world of electrical engineering, and understanding the differences and how they relate to one another -- particulary in the case of stepping up the voltage -- is crucial to understanding how electricity works.

[~enigma~]

Correct. It was written by me to a Jake Anderson. This was a issue involving serious crimes committed by the same person against our business in 2005.So do you always curse in your business correspondence and why did you try to lie and say it was written to your company by Jake Anderson? Are you going to answer the questions I repeatedly asked you?


Was 9/11 an inside job?
Was the moon landing a hoax?
Does the government spray us with poison chemtrails?
Did the government kill JFK?

[Pro7]

So we can clearly see that we are dealing with a paranoid woo.

For your sake to answer those questions..

No, 9/11 wasnt a inside job. It was something else going on but 9/11 was a way to define it to the american public.

JFK? I havent checked into that.

Moon landings was real.

poison chemtrails? if they were poisonous, alot of people would be dead by now.

[Pro7]

So do you always curse in your business correspondence and why did you try to lie and say it was written to your company by Jake Anderson? Are you going to answer the questions I repeatedly asked you?

:confused:

[~enigma~]

For your sake to answer those questions..

No, 9/11 wasnt a inside job. It was something else going on but 9/11 was a way to define it to the american public.

JFK? I havent checked into that.What about the moon landing and chemtrails? Whatwas 9/11 if it wasn't what we were told?

[~enigma~]

:confused:
You didn't try to pass that letter of as being by Jake Anderson?

Was your post that said LOL.

That was someone who was trying to tear us apart. He was prosecuted under full extent of federal law. Hes serving a 15 year prison sentence at the moment. something I imagined or was it a lie by you?

[Pro7]

You didn't try to pass that letter of as being by Jake Anderson? :confused:

IT was a letter to a Mr. Anderson, who is currently serving a prison sentence. I put that on the internet because other people were also being hurt by the same person.

Im surprised it has surfaced after a couple years.

[jsiv]

It was a 9.6 V from a RAGE remote controlled truck purchased at RadioShack back then. What I am going to do, since this forum had intriqued me in many ways, I will reconstruct the device and get it to working exactly as I had it in the past. Then I would personally show it to Mr. Randi himself. :) I hope I can still find any of those old "photovoltaic" caps laying around somewhere, thats a crucial "ingredient" in this device.
As I hinted at before and as you've been told by others, the word "photovoltaic " has nothing (not now, and not in the past) to do with capacitors, and everything to do with solar energy. Are you saying that your device runs on solar power? Is that how old TVs worked?

Tell you what, though. I have lots of old paper capacitors. Will those do? What did you say the capacitance was? I also have a 9 volt battery and and endless supply of resistors. Will any resistor do? Do I need anything else to build your free energy device? I'm really excited here, Pro7. If we work together we can solve so many of the world's problems.

Looking forward to your response.

[~enigma~]

LOL.

That was someone who was trying to tear us apart. He was prosecuted under full extent of federal law. Hes serving a 15 year prison sentence at the moment.

:confused:

IT was a letter to a Mr. Anderson, who is currently serving a prison sentence. I put that on the internet because other people were also being hurt by the same person.

Im surprised it has surfaced after a couple years.Are you the only one in the world that knows how to do a "cyber-investigation"? More to the point do you need youtube and or google videos for proof?

[~enigma~]

Are you afraid to finish answering the questions i asked? What about the moon landing and chemtrails. Also, since you said 9/11 was something else...what was it?

[Pro7]

As I hinted at before and as you've been told by others, the word "photovoltaic " has nothing (not now, and not in the past) to do with capacitors, and everything to do with solar energy. Are you saying that your device runs on solar power? Is that how old TVs worked?

Tell you what, though. I have lots of old paper capacitors. Will those do? What did you say the capacitance was? I also have a 9 volt battery and and endless supply of resistors. Will any resistor do? Do I need anything else to build your free energy device? I'm really excited here, Pro7. If we work together we can solve so many of the world's problems.

Looking forward to your response.

Ok well it is clearly defined as "photovoltaic" because it is inscripted on the side of the blue colored capacitor. It stated clearly as "Photovoltaic 330V" then on the bottom of the description it says "Rubicon". It is about 1 inch in dimension size, and about 1 1/4 inch or so in length. (hope you understand what I mean here)

You would have to find these capacitors inside television sets, made in the year of 1982 and/or 1983. Those are the only years available because they pulled these capacitors out due to faulty mechanisms and added in the newer modern types.

[Pro7]

Are you the only one in the world that knows how to do a "cyber-investigation"? More to the point do you need youtube and or google videos for proof?


No im not the only one. There are others who are cyber investigators. It is the technology that I possess is what makes me different from them.

[Pro7]

Are you afraid to finish answering the questions i asked? What about the moon landing and chemtrails. Also, since you said 9/11 was something else...what was it?

It was a military issue involving 9/11. I cannot go into details. sorry.

[jsiv]

Ok well it is clearly defined as "photovoltaic" because it is inscripted on the side of the blue colored capacitorrubi. It stated clearly as "Photovoltaic 330V" then on the bottom of the description it says "Rubicon".
I thought you said you didn't have any. Take a picture.

It is about 1 inch in dimension size, and about 1 1/4 inch or so in length. (hope you understand what I mean here)
While the physical measurements are nice, I'm looking for the electrical characteristics -- those are what's important. What is the capacitance? What other properties does it have that makes it so special that it can't be replicated by any of the modern capacitor designs?

Come on! This mythical device is the key to solve all the energy problems on earth! Help me out a little here!

[~enigma~]

It was a military issue involving 9/11. I cannot go into details. sorry.
What about the moon landing and chemtrails?

[~enigma~]

I thought you said you didn't have any. Take a picture.


While the physical measurements are nice, I'm looking for the electrical characteristics -- those are what's important. What is the capacitance? What other properties does it have that makes it so special that it can't be replicated by any of the modern capacitor designs?

Come on! This mythical device is the key to solve all the energy problems on earth! Help me out a little here!
Help from a woo?

[jsiv]

Help from a woo?
Go troll somewhere else, we're saving the world!

[Pro7]

I thought you said you didn't have any. Take a picture.


While the physical measurements are nice, I'm looking for the electrical characteristics -- those are what's important. What is the capacitance? What other properties does it have that makes it so special that it can't be replicated by any of the modern capacitor designs?

Come on! This mythical device is the key to solve all the energy problems on earth! Help me out a little here!

Sorry I remember exactly what it looked like.. I dont have any around here but I know I got some somewhere in a big storage at my company's office. I would have to dig through it probably for hours to find it..


The photovoltaic cap has 26 strands of dielectric material and 27 strands of "storing material" inside it. Thats what makes it different from any other regular caps. Whats strange about this cap, is that it doesnt state any inscription on microferads or Uf infos on it. Thats what got me interested in the first place. All it says is "Photovoltaic 330V" thats it, and on the bottom "Rubicon".. thats all it said.

[~enigma~]

Go troll somewhere else, we're saving the world!
Not from a woo who says 9/11 was a military issue yet it wasn't an inside job. Guess he thinks it was the Canadian military :)

[Pro7]

Sorry I remember exactly what it looked like.. I dont have any around here but I know I got some somewhere in a big storage at my company's office. I would have to dig through it probably for hours to find it..


The photovoltaic cap has 26 strands of dielectric material and 27 strands of "storing material" inside it. Thats what makes it different from any other regular caps. Whats strange about this cap, is that it doesnt state any inscription on microferads or Uf infos on it. Thats what got me interested in the first place. All it says is "Photovoltaic 330V" thats it, and on the bottom "Rubicon".. thats all it said.

Sorry its RUBYCON.. sheesh..

http://www.rubycon.com/

[~enigma~]

Sorry its RUBYCON.. sheesh..

http://www.rubycon.com/
wow...great memory Mr. Woo woo :)

[Pro7]

Sorry its RUBYCON.. sheesh..

http://www.rubycon.com/

I believe somewhere on that website will show that capacitor.. help find it!

[Pro7]

wow...great memory Mr. Woo woo :)

go troll somewhere else. NWO litigators dont belong in this section. :cool:

[wollery]

Using their search function turns up no mention of "photovoltaic".

[~enigma~]

go troll somewhere else. NWO litigators dont belong in this section. :cool:
Afraid? You should be...

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1503/originalnwo5dk6gl.jpg

[Pro7]

Using their search function turns up no mention of "photovoltaic".

same here, nothing. hmm..

they discontinued it, as I was told that it was a defective device.

[~enigma~]

Using their search function turns up no mention of "photovoltaic".And conveniently it is out of production and woo's free energy dream can not come true without it :)

[~enigma~]

same here, nothing. hmm..

they discontinued it
Guess the world is screwed then. How about you answer about the moon landing and chemtrails?

[Pro7]

Guess the world is screwed then. How about you answer about the moon landing and chemtrails?

saying it again..

moon landings were real.

chemtrails? poisonous? everyone would be dead if thats true.

[Pro7]

The only thing we can do is look for television sets in the years of 1982-1983 worth scrapping and solder it off the circuit board.

[~enigma~]

saying it again..

moon landings were real.

chemtrails? poisonous? everyone would be dead if thats true.Point out where you answered these two questions before. Are you the love child of Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen?

[rtalman]

The only thing we can do is look for television sets in the years of 1982-1983 worth scrapping and solder it off the circuit board.
which brand of television set?

[~enigma~]

which brand of television set?
:D

[Pro7]

WTF is going on here? just now I just clicked the quote button and I get that above..

actually you said:

So you're saying that you work for a government-sponsored limited-liability corporation, such as one might invent to evade federal income taxes?

That Hotmail addy does little to impress

For Fnord,

We dont evade federal income taxes. We cant. I caught you editing your post when you changed it from "evade federal income taxes"...

[~enigma~]

Here is a surveillance picture of Pro7..

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8118/funnypenguinslapid3.gif

And this is the result of his free energy idea...

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2983/bsmetercb9.gif

[Pro7]

which brand of television set?

I think it was a RCA.. not sure, if not , then zenith.

[jsiv]

The photovoltaic cap has 26 strands of dielectric material and 27 strands of "storing material" inside it. Thats what makes it different from any other regular caps.
How so? What do regular caps look like? Do they only have 25 and 26?

Whats strange about this cap, is that it doesnt state any inscription on microferads or Uf infos on it. Thats what got me interested in the first place. All it says is "Photovoltaic 330V" thats it, and on the bottom "Rubicon".. thats all it said.
Are you sure it didn't say photoflash and came from one of the camera they used to shoot the fake moon landings with?

[rtalman]

In the beginning,it can be a great surprise and a real question in the same time!The problem is before us,on the table:we have a strange source of energy,but how can we collect it? Nobody knows,because we have no theory,only experiments can show the way. Here is a charming asymmetry. So,we have the power source,and the problem is our connection to it. There can be,using electronics...that is open for criticism or with a true mechanical feedback system...a very good proof that the energy output was greater than the input. This mechanical feedback system is the key-point.In theory there are many rules,but nothing beats experience.The open way seems to be,again,the practice only. How we can pull out the power,is an easy, secondary problem. When all is said and done,the adventure or a simple "see the world" is not outside us,but inside. So,if a Pro7 device type ,gives us a real pulsatory voltage,flow of power ,then the main problem of the "free energy" is solved.

[~enigma~]

For Fnord,

We dont evade federal income taxes. We cant. I caught you editing your post when you changed it from "evade federal income taxes"...
Holy change of subject Batman :)

[Pro7]

Point out where you answered these two questions before. Are you the love child of Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen?


lol no

Im a child of a previous board director of defense intelligence agency.

[~enigma~]

lol no

Im a child of a previous board director of defense intelligence agency.
Ah...so then if you are not a lying sack of poo, you should have no problem making me shut up either legally or illegally. i am waiting poo :)

[Pro7]

Ah...so then if you are not a lying sack of poo, you should have no problem making me shut up either legally or illegally. i am waiting poo :)

lol.

I dont do anything like that without a sufficient cause or reasoning to do it. IF you were a terrorist, then yes I will have Dept. of Homeland Security look your information over.

[bruto]

Ok well it is clearly defined as "photovoltaic" because it is inscripted on the side of the blue colored capacitor. It stated clearly as "Photovoltaic 330V" then on the bottom of the description it says "Rubicon". It is about 1 inch in dimension size, and about 1 1/4 inch or so in length. (hope you understand what I mean here)

You would have to find these capacitors inside television sets, made in the year of 1982 and/or 1983. Those are the only years available because they pulled these capacitors out due to faulty mechanisms and added in the newer modern types.

Mechanisms? In a capacitor?

[~enigma~]

lol no

Im a child of a previous board director of defense intelligence agency.
Your name is Jake Dotson. I have a list of every director of the DIA since it was formed in 1961. Where is daddy Dotson? Now we know besides being a woo and liar about free energy you are a lying sack of poo about your parents. Hope they are proud of their little woo :)

[tracer]

Pro7:

Do you understand WHY a 9 volt battery can be used to charge a tazer capacitor to 50,000 volts without completely draining the battery? And why doing so does NOT use more electrical energy than is stored in the 9 volt battery, not does it create additional electrical energy?

[Pro7]

Your name is Jake Dotson. I have a list of every director of the DIA since it was formed in 1961. Where is daddy Dotson? Now we know besides being a woo and liar about free energy you are a lying sack of poo about your parents. Hope they are proud of their little woo :)

My last name is not the same as my real father's last name :)

[Pro7]

Pro7:

Do you understand WHY a 9 volt battery can be used to charge a tazer capacitor to 50,000 volts without completely draining the battery? And why doing so does NOT use more electrical energy than is stored in the 9 volt battery, not does it create additional electrical energy?

Yes heh.

[~enigma~]

My last name is not the same as my real father's last name :)
Why? Is he embarrased by you?

[Pro7]

Why? Is he embarrased by you?

No.. family protection reasons.

[~enigma~]

No.. family protection reasons.
That's woo code for embarassment.

[Pro7]

That's woo code for embarassment.

If you had a list of every DIA director, secret or non secret, then you're fricking gay.

Its gay to think about these people or do anything research on them anyways. Leave them alone or you will face a living nightmare..seriously, I know how these people operate.

Well I had fun today, exposing sh#ts etc etc..

Yea I had an agenda. :) one will never know why it happened.

[~enigma~]

If you had a list of every DIA director, secret or non secret, then you're fricking gay.

Its gay to think about these people or do anything research on them anyways. Leave them alone or you will face a living nightmare..seriously, I know how these people operate.

Well I had fun today, exposing sh#ts etc etc..

Yea I had an agenda. :) one will never know why it happened.
C'mon and give me a living nightmare. I am asking you :)

ETA - The list is public info idjit.

[Pro7]

You think you can really hide behind forums like these? you think you can do anything like on your computer? .. You think this and that? well guess again, a living nightmare can happen anywhere.

[Pro7]

C'mon and give me a living nightmare. I am asking you :)

gay.:jaw-dropp found out you like gay stuff.

[~enigma~]

You think you can really hide behind forums like these? you think you can do anything like on your computer? .. You think this and that? well guess again, a living nightmare can happen anywhere.
So stop being an as[rule8]le and give me a nightmare...

[Pro7]

C'mon and give me a living nightmare. I am asking you :)

ETA - The list is public info idjit.

Public infos, then are public infos. Secret directors are not listed.

[~enigma~]

gay.:jaw-dropp found out you like gay stuff.That would be enema not enigma :)

[Pro7]

So stop being an as[rule8]le and give me a nightmare...

ok sure. Will do. :eye-poppi

[Pro7]

That would be enema not enigma :)

enigma is a cia term. go way, shoo, its gay to hang around here ..

[jsiv]

I don't want nightmares, I just want an answer to my last post. Thanks.

[~enigma~]

ok sure. Will do. :eye-poppi
what's taking so long? Are you able to hack or are you impotent like yoiur dad should have been?

[Pro7]

what's taking so long? Are you able to hack or are you impotent like yoiur dad should have been?

hack ur head open, maybe. :)

[Loss Leader]

I have a job. I am a owner of one of the largest companies in the United States.

No, you aren't.

Well Ammon was a fun place to live.

You never lived there.

That was someone who was trying to tear us apart.

No, it wan't.

He was prosecuted under full extent of federal law. Hes serving a 15 year prison sentence at the moment.

No, he isn't.

In the past I did had unusual visitations by people asking about my device

No, you didn't.

The other main business email addresses are given to clients afterwards.

There is no such address.

What I am going to do, since this forum had intriqued me in many ways, I will reconstruct the device and get it to working exactly as I had it in the past.

No, you won't.

Then I would personally show it to Mr. Randi himself.

No, you won't.

I hope I can still find any of those old "photovoltaic" caps laying around somewhere, thats a crucial "ingredient" in this device.

No, it isn't.

It is a requirement in our business to have each other checked out for any mental instabilities.

No, it isn't.

So far, I have none.

Yes, you do. You have borderline personality disorder.

My international partners have none.

There are no such people.

It was written by me to a Jake Anderson.

No, it wasn't.


It was a military issue involving 9/11.

No, it wasn't.

I cannot go into details. sorry.

You cannot because there are no such details to go into.

they discontinued it, as I was told that it was a defective device.

That did not happen.

I think it was a RCA.. not sure, if not , then zenith.

No, it wasn't.

Im a child of a previous board director of defense intelligence agency.

No, you're not.

IF you were a terrorist, then yes I will have Dept. of Homeland Security look your information over.

No, you wouldn't.

My last name is not the same as my real father's last name

Yes, it is.

I know how these people operate.

No, you do not.

Yea I had an agenda. :) one will never know why it happened.

In fact, I do know your agenda and I do know why it happened. The reason is that you have extremely low self-esteem and an inability to form healthy emotional relationships with others. You make outlandish claims because feeling like the center of attention is the closest you can come to feeling acceptance - even if you have gained that attention by acting like a buffoon.

The strange thing is that the persona that you have tried to adopt is that of a successful and confident man. Such a man would never appear in this forum to brag about the things that you have. Such a man knows that he is respected, he knows that he has friends. He has no need of this type of attention.

You don't have to feel alone. Call your family and ask them to get you help today.

[Pro7]

Maybe I am not who I say I am. :catfight: Maybe a impersonator?

[jsiv]

31) Try to get banned.

[Pro7]

31) Try to get banned.

LOL

I have several screennames in JREF. lol. they will never find out (not by IP addy either! )

Ban me all you like.

I had fun here.. at least I completed my objection. Thats all I care about.

[DangerousBeliefs]

I had fun here.. at least I completed my objection. Thats all I care about.

Proving that you're an idiot? I think you did that on page 1

[~enigma~]

Yes, you do. You have borderline personality disorder.Passed borderline quite some time ago.